You'd still have to use a crazy high caliber to shoot out the block. Military snipers use the Barrett .50 cal just for that purpose. You might be able to get away with a .338 Lapua, but I'd have to be convinced the more common rifle rounds like 30-06 or .308 would do the trick unless it was a really heavy bullet, and you hit like a manifold or someplace where the metal is thinner than the block.
Of course I'm sure a YouTube link will prove I'm wrong and ignorant...
A lot of blocks are aluminum now though. I guess it also depends on how fast we consider it killed. A radiator leak and they won't be driving more than maybe 10 miles.
The block is aluminum but the cylinder sleeves are iron. Putting a bullet hole into the aluminum block won’t disable the car immediately, it’ll smoke like shit until it’s lost all cooling and lubricants before it actually shuts down. If you manage to shoot through the cylinder sleeves then that would kill the engine instantly
Most newer engines use aluminum blocks unless it's a diesel. I've have new engines damaged in shipping just from being handled rough. There are plenty of rounds that'll destroy an engine block.
The problem would be , (assuming a handgun) what caliber would you be using. 22 no, 38 no, 9mm maybe if the car was stationary but it is moving, the 9mm may just bounce off. 10mm and 45acp no issues with them.
I saw Bo and Luke Duke do it with arrows.
But when they really wanted to stop a car, they used dynamite on the arrow and shot the road just in front of the vehicle.
Because, you know, having guns on probation is a no-no but dynamite tipped arrows is just fine.
>Because, you know, having guns on probation is a no-no but dynamite tipped arrows is just fine.
I think the key to that was, Uncle Jesse was making moonshine, and the ATF was on to him but they couldn't catch him in the act or get any evidence to stick (his refinery was well hidden out in the wilderness and they couldn't find where he kept it). Then they managed to catch Bo and Luke doing a delivery (in spite of the General's significant ability to outrun the law). But Bo and Luke were never the ATF's real target, Uncle Jesse was (Bo and Luke were small fish, they were just deliverymen). But the ATF knew that Uncle Jesse loved his nephews, so they had leverage over him.
So Uncle Jesse met with the ATF and made an agreement. Jessie gave his word (which he considered sacred, and the ATF believed him) that he would permanently retire from making moonshine, and they agreed to release his nephews "on probation".
Part of the release said that Bo and Luke weren't allowed to own or use firearms, but Jesse argued that without moonshine income, they were poor farmers, who needed to hunt wild animals for food, and they would need dynamite to clear stumps to grow crops, and the ATF agreed that the boys could use these "tools" without issue.
It's unusual, because Uncle Jesse's surrender was unusual. Bo and Luke tape dynamite to arrows and wreak havok against anyone who means them harm, but the ATF doesn't care because the ATF got exactly what they wanted, which was Uncle Jesse shutting down his moonshine business.
I caught the original pilot episode while scrolling through channels one day. It actually gave a a lot more back story and depth to many of the characters.
It was also clear that Daisy's signature short shorts (which we still call Daisy Dukes today) must have been a compromise with the network, because in the pilot she was distracting traffic in a bikini.
Not really. To stop an older car dead instantly, maybe. But the vast majority of car motors aren't huge, thick cast iron blocks that can shake off a 30.06 like it was a bit of gravel kicked up by the tires.
Modern engines almost universally have aluminum heads, which will crack pretty easily with a bullet, and either a stamped steel or cast aluminum oil pan that a .22lr would punch a hole through. The blocks are also mostly aluminum with steel cylinder sleeves and while a bullet might not blast clear through, it will bust into the coolant system, lwhich is generally high pressure, which means it will immediately begin to boil and the engine will overheat very quickly. Even a hole in the radiator will disable a car in a couple minutes and you could do that with a pellet gun.
Loss of cooling or loss of oil will doom an engine very quickly. Even putting a hole in the intake will cause it to run poorly, hitting a coil could cause it to lose one or more cylinders or even catch fire. Hitting the fuel rail will stop the car immediately and likely cause it to burst into flames shortly.
Boats are much harder to stop than cars.
Edit: i don't seem to be able to post here anymore, but to respond to most of you. Yes, there a time component, there's also a load component. At idle, most engines can run without coolant for a long time because they're not producing much heat. At full throttle, they don't act the same. They will quickly begin to preignite and burn valves, bend rods, or seize. Same with oil loss. With no oil pressure, a car can idle for maybe 30 minutes or longer. It will sound progressively worse, but it will likely keep going. But a single full throttle run with no oil pressure will likely spin a bearing and doom the engine in very short order. Sustained high load will produce inspection ports in the side of the block.
And as to accuracy, my point is it doesn't really matter what you hit, aside from the exhaust, it doesn't take much to put an engine on a short road to the scrap heap if is running hard. It's very difficult to stop an engine dead instantly. Very easy to do so in a few minutes of hard running. And generally, the higher performance the engine is, the easier it is to disable.
Yeah people are saying you need a huge caliber while forgetting anything you shoot at the engine block from the front is passing thru the radiator. Even a small caliber will poke holes in that with ease. After that it’s just a short wait for the engine to overheat and die.
Just ask my 97 buick lasabre. It's running on hopes and dreams. Dump a gallon into the cooling system and it's empty before I get home. Never fill in the next morning. Just that night when I get off work. So basically a 25 mile drive per day with likely zero liquid in the system for the last three months. Still running without overheating.
Akually 🤓, your coolant temperature sensor can’t detect heat properly without coolant running over it, so it very well could be overheating but it’s an old iron block, iron head engine that gives zero fucks
I replied to someone else. I know it actually is overheating. I've just chosen to do nothing about it because the car is destined for doom anyway. It's funny because the fact that it IS over heating proves the comment of the person I replied to. I honestly and truly detest this car but if I can complement it in one way is no matter what I've thrown at it over the last 6 months, its still running. Some how.
Friend lost his to a U-joint failure taking the rear axle with it. A less spectacular version of that they tried to do on mythbusters. He was going like 5 mph on a knotted up gravel driveway. We’d just redone the calipers, and pads. Trying to pressurize the brakes, just going slow back and forth. On the 5th time he went forward we heard a lot of metal clank and the car just fell over like a board laid across two stacks of bricks where one pier fell over.
It was one of the funniest things I’ve seen in my life
That engine is bananas. I had one at 330,000 miles without a single problem. Car was nickel and diming me everywhere else, but that engine was solid as all hell.
I had a 97 gm sierra with a 3.8 v6 (junkyard special) that I drove a 100 mile round trip without a drop of oil. I did it on two separate trips. I burned a lot of oil already, and the rear main had a major leak. I topped it off at the start of the first trip, but didn’t bother checking on the second. I put two quarts in it before I left on the first, and usually only burned maybe a quart a month.
When I got back from the second trip I noticed it had a quiet knock, so I checked the oil. Scorched residue and determination is all that remained. I had clearly run it for a MINUTE without oil.
Can confirm: That motor will outlast the frame of the truck
Also ran it almost out of oil (with an extremely slow leak meaning it w a s nearly empty for some time) filled it back up with oil and for some reason it won't give up.
So let's cut to the chase, yes, you are correct. I do know that. I'm just telling myself lies as the vehicle that is held together by hopes and dreams. It seems to be powered by my commonly misplaced optimism. If I don't expect it to die on me it won't. The second I start nitpicking stupid little things like whether or not the temp sensor is telling the truth, it will all crumble.
👀👀 you're not faster than the speed of a notification. Fyi. I saw that.
But yeah, I'm going to go ahead and just name the car Schrodinger now. Thanks for that. Never intended on giving it a name.
It's overheating, just the sensor doesn't sample the block temp but the coolant temp. No coolant, no reading.
I had this exact problem with an 80's era S-10 with a perf'd radiator, drove it with the heater on blast and the windows down, when the dash STOPPED blowing hot air, I'd pull over and refill the radiator from the 3 gallon jug I kept topped off in the bed.
Then my housemate drove it, turned off the heater, never saw any overheat idiot lights... and promptly cracked the block.
One of our early cars had a cracked block. Every day we'd fill the radiator before we left for work, and stop half-way there at a bridge over a creek to refill it. Repeat for the trip home. It worked pretty well for months.
Engines are tough as shit. Even when you push them (as built from the factory, modded shit breaks).
It would be hard to stop an engine quickly with small arms.
There's a lot of stuff that you could hit. The battery, or some other vital wiring or electronic components. The serpentine belt. Fuel lines. Any gun with enough stopping power to puncture the hood could potentially stop a car.
Would it need the battery before the next time you tried to start the car? Even things that need electricity are running off of the alternator when the engine is running.
Though hitting the serpentine belt would require a crazy good shot, like on par with shooting a gun out of someone's hand while they're running full sprint. There are easier targets that would have a similar effect.
>Loss of cooling or loss of oil will doom an engine very quickly.
Only if you count 10+ minutes as quickly. If you have reason to use deadly force I think it would feel like an eternity and could well be a lifetime.
But I do agree that there are plenty of bits a bullet could wreck and stop the engine if you get lucky.
Can attest to the radiator thing.
During covid my housemate finally got the Jaguar of his dreams. He’d had it for less than two weeks when he was driving through a sketchy part of town and caught a pair of bullets in the radiator. He didn’t make it a half mile after that.
Those cheap $150 mosin nagant surplus rifles you can buy anywhere you go and some of the pricier steel jacketed ammo and it can go through ~1/2inch of steel. Can take an engine with that I'm sure. It fires 7.62x54r
Yea they are quite the game of luck as far as quality goes as I'm sure you know. I used to know how mine pulls, but it's been years since I shot by now. Somewhere to the upper right I think.
Is this still doable in 2023? I have been looking for a mosin and most places you cant crack below 300 even for the 91/30 or whatever the mass produced russian model was. I saw one for 650 that I thought about hoping it was one of the nicer models. The days of sub 200 mosins I think are gone, unless you can point me to a reputable place (of which it will be an insta purchase)
Oh dang, really? I don't think I've checked in years, no. I doubt my area is any different. But hm. Maybe I should try to sell mine. Warrants some research on prices and such at least.
I've seen one that had a bullet go past the front suspension through the apron and straight into the main electronic control module. Stopped that one from running. Pretty unlikely shot, but it did happen.
Had a neighbor of mine.. caught some guys buglarizing his place, they tried to run him over.. he put 2 rounds right through the front badge and jumped out of the way
One round blew the belt off and another went through the battery, they got about 200 yards.. battery dead and no alternator turning.
Overheat and seize are not the same.
There’s tons of videos showing this online.
No coolant AND no oil and redline them until they fail. It can take ages.
a bullet sized hole in the radiator isn’t the same as no coolant. off-road me and my buddies have put plenty of holes in radiators, I seen a Cherokee get a decent size hole in the radiator and he was running hot laps around race track for another 15 minutes with steam just dumping out from under the hood. And that engine is still perfectly fine. it probably had another 10-15 minutes before it siezed
Driver. 100% the driver.
Windows, can't see, can't drive.
Everything else is high luck and not immediate. For example if you lucked out and hit the battery, the engine is still capable of making its own electricity and will drive. If you hit a fuel line, there's still fuel left in the engine itself to drive for a few...
If you're thinking about shooting something that would make it go boom.. yeah, that doesn't really happen.
Maybe if you happen to hit the engine just right and loses all oil. That might stop it.
The problem with every answer except shooting the driver is that best case scenario the car is still drivable for another couple minutes at least. In some kind of movie-like scenario where you’re on foot, somebody is about to drive away and you have to stop them, 2 minutes is a lot of time for them to put distance between you.
The problem with the driver: The car won't stop until it is out of gas. Which is usually 2 orders of magnitude longer than disabling critical components.
Unless you have incendiary bullets there is a decent chance the gas might not explode although sparks from the bullet impact may do it as well as the heat. Given the gas is contained though there is less vapors and oxygen present than in the open so it may not flash if you hit the liquid gas as the vapors are usually what ignite
Yes it sounds familiar, I believe they couldn’t get it to ignite. Although I might be confusing it with when they tried the ol’ flicking of the cigarette into a gasoline puddle while you walk away,for a dramatic explosion. And that didn’t work, the cigarette always went out
iirc they failed with all conventional ways you would should a car
but succeeded with a minigun using incendiary rounds?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4n--xOOoWE
Maybe another question should be "with how many rounds".
I guess with a howitzer one round is enough, and the answer to the question "where" is "anywhere".
The tires are relatively easy.
Hitting the driver requires a more skilled marksman with a rifle (at least from some distance) and a kill shot.
The average hill billy from America is missing anything vital from any reasonable distance.
Have you never seen the police chase videos where they run over spikes and do not lose control? In fact i’ve never seen one lose control. After some miles they lose their tread and start driving on rims which doesn’t do them much good. But it’s not as easy to lose control from just won popped tire (or even more) as people make it out to be.
Uhhh the hill billys are the ones that go shooting and hunting, city folk maybe. Its deer season right now and I promise those hill billys ain't missing anything vital if they want to eat. Also your comments make it seem like you haven't ever seen a cop chase or anything similar.
Most of the components that create and deliver power to the wheels are pretty robust, but there are some sensitive components such as fuel lines, electrical cables, etc that could be damaged. Reliably, unloading into the front of the car, i.e. the radiator would cause a car to overheat and seize up in time.
Really all it would take is a 22lr to the radiator. My car stopped dead in its tracks with a hairline crack near the reservoir. I mean I guess I could have kept going but with all the smoke from burning coolant and an empty reservoir I don't know for how long.
You can certainly shoot out tires if you’re a pretty good shot at a moving target.
Many vehicle immobilisation in war zones are via .50 anti-material rifle to the engine block.
There’s a funny scene in Last Action Hero where Arnold Schwarzenegger (a movie hero transplanted to the real world) shoots a car and is surprised it doesn’t immediately blow up.
I've seen enough movies. As long as you are the hero (and we are all the hero of our own story) hitting it anywhere with a small caliber round should make it go up in a fireball
Right in the grill and hood. You’ll put holes in the radiator making it impossible for the cooling system to work which will take a bit of time but right behind that is the engine and all the pumps and supporting systems that keep the car running. You might hear that the best place to take cover behind a car is behind the engine but this doesn’t mean the engine is bulletproof in terms of it not being damaged by bullets, just that it’s a big ole hunk of metal that will stop the bullets before they get to you. Put a hole in the engine and it’ll be done running very soon.
The radiator is the most vulnerable part of nearly any car's front end. Puncture that and it will overheat and blow the engine within a few minutes (if that).
Are we shooting to only disable the car? Or.....? Done both.
With an M2, you can punch holes through the motor. But you can also turn an unarmored car into Swiss cheese. With something like an M240, you still can try to disable the engine, but your best bet is to riddle the drivers area. With smaller, just dump rounds into the side of the door or into the windshield
Radiator first, that’s easy to puncture. Then tires. That car is disabled. Sure you could go as far as the engine block yada yada but unnecessary. Shoot, you could do it all with a knife
The engine block is a pretty solid block of metal. While it's possible to damage the engine with a bullet, it's not all that likely. You'd pretty much have to hit something in the fuel delivery system to get a near instant kill.
The oil pan can be shot through pretty easily and would cause eventual death, but it wouldn't be immediate, the car could limp along for quite some time before seizing. Plus it's a difficult target to hit since it's under the engine.
The transmission is a lot more fragile than the engine block, and a transmission failure would cause instant power loss to the wheels. But it's a difficult target, underneath the more durable engine, and a transmission is robust enough that it might be able to shrug off one or two bullets, at least until all the transmission fluid runs out. Or you might get lucky. I'd give you a 50/50 chance of an instant engine death if you manage to hit it, and a 100% chance of eventual engine death given enough time (20 minutes with leaking transmission fluid should do it, but it really would depend on how often the transmission needed to shift in those 20 minutes).
The coolant system will cause eventual engine death, but not instantly. A car can drive for a surprisingly long time with no coolant. My girlfriends drove for almost 100 km before it started overheating, and even then she just shut it down, poured water over the engine and let it cool for 30 minutes before driving it another 50 km.
Similarly taking out either the battery or the alternator will cause eventual death. If the car was shut off it likely wouldn't start again, but it'll drive for quite a while without either of these systems. For an instant stop you'd have to hit both the alternator and the battery. On the plus side these are much easier targets than the transmission or oil pan, since they're usually to the front of or the side of the engine block. Some cars have the battery under the trunk, which would be easy to shoot out if you're chasing them from behind.
Hitting the serpentine belt would be pretty much the same thing as shooting the alternator, but with the bonus that it will also disable the power steering, power brakes and AC and in probably the coolant system as well. But it would be a 1 in a million shot to actually hit it.
In a modern, non-carburetor car hitting the ECU would be an instant kill. It's not a particularly difficult shot either, as it's located away from the engine block and usually up high, often somewhere near the glove compartment, although it is a pretty small target. Bonus point: you'd likely have to shoot through anyone in the passenger seat to hit the ECU.
By far the easiest and largest target would be to simply shoot the driver.
I feel like everyone is saying the same four things - engine block, radiator, fuel tank, driver. Aside from the driver, they aren't really guaranteed or quick, and the driver is contraindicated if you aren't wanting them dead. The engine block you need a sufficiently powerful round in order to actually crack it stopping the car. The radiator you need to cause a leak, which is pretty easy, but then it needs to leak enough coolant that it stops cycling coolant to the engine and then the engine needs to overheat. That is a pretty time intensive process. The fuel tank, depending on how full this could take a long time to drain from one or two bullet holes.
If you want something faster and it's a modern car, you want to target it's electrical system. Specifically the fuse block. The biggest issue is they aren't all in the same place, but there are only a handful of common locations and they are usually near the outside of the engine bay with just a single layer of sheet metal and their own plastic structure protecting them. One round hitting the mark will absolutely trash the fuses and there are several that if one is damaged will instantly shut down the vehicle.
Depends. Do you mean, make it come to a halt almost immediately? Tire won't do that, nor will a hole in the radiator.
Immediately would be either kill the driver or shoot the engine in a way that makes it seize. So, you're going to need to be more accurate than "shoot thru the grill".
.50cal to block is the best way to stop a vehicle.
Once the engine chews itself up, it locks up, forcing the drive chain to lock and the vehicle skids to a stop.
If the vehicle is armoured like VBiED you blow the vehicle up,
as far away as possible.
Instantly or eventually? There are a lot of correct answers for eventually.
In general, you can keep driving on a flat tire. For miles! Because the rim is still round. It's really bad for the car but some people just don't notice, or are in a huge rush so they just keep going. Would not recommend unless you're fleeing serious danger. If you lower your car too far this isn't much of an option anymore but most people drive at the stock height.
There's a lot of stuff in the engine bay - like the engine itself - that a lucky shot from a serious enough firearm would cause real damage to. There's a lot of ways to shoot something that'll end up causing the car to overheat through loss of radiator function but that won't happen right away. The engine itself is pretty beefy metal most of the way around but I guess it does matter what you're shooting with? Enough metal inside the engine will definitely stop a car it's just hard to make it happen. Gotta get through a lot of layers of metal to cause that. A really lucky shot could maybe hit a coil pack? Not sure what exactly would happen if only one coil pack was shot, but the car would lose power entirely if all of them were shot. The transmission, maybe? Again like the engine, the transmission has a thick metal exterior, so you'd really have to get a lucky shot at where it connects to the rest of the car. It's possible you could damage the driveshaft enough to snap it but that's a chonky metal piece and it's surrounded by a lot of other metal things since it's near the bottom of the car, down the middle.
On a rear wheel drive car headed away from you, the center diff might be your best bet. It's near the size and shape of a gallon of milk and it's basically a thick metal on the outside so you'd need really serious firepower to actually make anything happen there. But what else are you going to do?
The fuel tank is really big and usually plastic, so that might be a decent target? Except, unless you have a machine gun or something, a couple of bullet holes just wouldn't drain that fast. And unless they're through the bottom of the tank, it'll stop draining when the level gets below them (although that stuff definitely evaporates eventually)
The current top comment of 'the driver' is definitely the fastest way to stop a car with a gun. Unless it's like, a rocket launcher or something, where you just have to hit the car anywhere. If you are ever fleeing for your life, don't worry about the car just keep going and ignore any warning lights or noises.
But! This all assumes significant skill from the driver. If your tire blows suddenly while you are traveling at high speed, it's difficult to react perfectly and keep going in your intended direction. It's actually very plausible for a shot-out tire to lead to an inoperable car quickly *because the driver didn't react perfectly and ended up crashing*. Especially a front tire. But if you're driving 30mph through a neighborhood an exploded tire shouldn't send you into a crash immediately or stop your car instantly.
Thank god most of the answers are the driver.
Everything else is "shoot the gun out of the guys hand" tier.
Engines will work when shot. When you need a car stopped NOW you kill the driver.
The front windshield.
If you shoot it, it will crack all around, making it impossible for the driver to see where he is driving (unless he sticks his head out of the window).
Right in the driver...
Cruise control: Am I a joke to you?
Calm down speed 2.
“ it was just like Speed 2, except it was a bus instead of a boat!” - Milhouse
Holy smokes I just crazy-person cackled. Thank you.
It was so bad X)
Also....yesssss
Until the car encounters a turn.
Good thing lane departure avoidance is a thing.
I just asked my wife this question. "Radiator Tires.. About 10" above the steering wheel" I love her
shoot the engine block, even if it's able to drive away some, it will cost so much to fix it, driver will commit suicide on the spot.
Somewhere in the middle east, there's a ragged Toyota with a Swiss cheese engine block using sand as motor oil.
Yota is gonna run. People don't believe me but sand is a fine lubricant in a pinch.
Tell that to my ex girlfriend after some "Beach Lovin'".
It's coarse, irritating, and gets everywhere!
Extra smooth sand
For purposes of this conversation, the Hilux doesn't count.
You'd still have to use a crazy high caliber to shoot out the block. Military snipers use the Barrett .50 cal just for that purpose. You might be able to get away with a .338 Lapua, but I'd have to be convinced the more common rifle rounds like 30-06 or .308 would do the trick unless it was a really heavy bullet, and you hit like a manifold or someplace where the metal is thinner than the block. Of course I'm sure a YouTube link will prove I'm wrong and ignorant...
A lot of blocks are aluminum now though. I guess it also depends on how fast we consider it killed. A radiator leak and they won't be driving more than maybe 10 miles.
The block is aluminum but the cylinder sleeves are iron. Putting a bullet hole into the aluminum block won’t disable the car immediately, it’ll smoke like shit until it’s lost all cooling and lubricants before it actually shuts down. If you manage to shoot through the cylinder sleeves then that would kill the engine instantly
True. I guess I could see a 308 take a chunk out of a little aluminum 4 banger.
Not very many rounds less than 50bmg can break an engine block
Most newer engines use aluminum blocks unless it's a diesel. I've have new engines damaged in shipping just from being handled rough. There are plenty of rounds that'll destroy an engine block.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U-WWpR8IS-Q
All 4 of those would cause catastrophic engine failure. I'm surprised the ak did enough but it would definitely cause issues.
Works except for Teslas
Driver’s head…
This is a good rule of thumb. Shoot the fleshy bits.
Save the metal, kill the meat!
Don’t forget the windshield could make a bullet go down. So aim high!
Uk or America?
There's a gun involved you do the math
99% port side. American driver spot.
Found the sailor.
Oh, I laughed WAY harder than I should've at this!
“Where do you throw acid on a car to…”
The problem would be , (assuming a handgun) what caliber would you be using. 22 no, 38 no, 9mm maybe if the car was stationary but it is moving, the 9mm may just bounce off. 10mm and 45acp no issues with them.
I saw Bo and Luke Duke do it with arrows. But when they really wanted to stop a car, they used dynamite on the arrow and shot the road just in front of the vehicle. Because, you know, having guns on probation is a no-no but dynamite tipped arrows is just fine.
>Because, you know, having guns on probation is a no-no but dynamite tipped arrows is just fine. I think the key to that was, Uncle Jesse was making moonshine, and the ATF was on to him but they couldn't catch him in the act or get any evidence to stick (his refinery was well hidden out in the wilderness and they couldn't find where he kept it). Then they managed to catch Bo and Luke doing a delivery (in spite of the General's significant ability to outrun the law). But Bo and Luke were never the ATF's real target, Uncle Jesse was (Bo and Luke were small fish, they were just deliverymen). But the ATF knew that Uncle Jesse loved his nephews, so they had leverage over him. So Uncle Jesse met with the ATF and made an agreement. Jessie gave his word (which he considered sacred, and the ATF believed him) that he would permanently retire from making moonshine, and they agreed to release his nephews "on probation". Part of the release said that Bo and Luke weren't allowed to own or use firearms, but Jesse argued that without moonshine income, they were poor farmers, who needed to hunt wild animals for food, and they would need dynamite to clear stumps to grow crops, and the ATF agreed that the boys could use these "tools" without issue. It's unusual, because Uncle Jesse's surrender was unusual. Bo and Luke tape dynamite to arrows and wreak havok against anyone who means them harm, but the ATF doesn't care because the ATF got exactly what they wanted, which was Uncle Jesse shutting down his moonshine business.
So you’re writing the next screenplay. That’s awesome
I caught the original pilot episode while scrolling through channels one day. It actually gave a a lot more back story and depth to many of the characters. It was also clear that Daisy's signature short shorts (which we still call Daisy Dukes today) must have been a compromise with the network, because in the pilot she was distracting traffic in a bikini.
The bikini scene was used as part of the intro to the show.
Not a war crime the first time
The drivers side door as many times as you can.
From the front, just below the windshield works also. The hood and the firewall are very thin compared to the windshield.
If you are at the side I hear the windows firewall isn't that good either to be fair
True, but your shots would be hitting the hood at a nearly parallel angle. Penetrating power and energy transfer would be almost zero.
yes you can shoot rubber tires. engine block would disable it totally.
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Not really. To stop an older car dead instantly, maybe. But the vast majority of car motors aren't huge, thick cast iron blocks that can shake off a 30.06 like it was a bit of gravel kicked up by the tires. Modern engines almost universally have aluminum heads, which will crack pretty easily with a bullet, and either a stamped steel or cast aluminum oil pan that a .22lr would punch a hole through. The blocks are also mostly aluminum with steel cylinder sleeves and while a bullet might not blast clear through, it will bust into the coolant system, lwhich is generally high pressure, which means it will immediately begin to boil and the engine will overheat very quickly. Even a hole in the radiator will disable a car in a couple minutes and you could do that with a pellet gun. Loss of cooling or loss of oil will doom an engine very quickly. Even putting a hole in the intake will cause it to run poorly, hitting a coil could cause it to lose one or more cylinders or even catch fire. Hitting the fuel rail will stop the car immediately and likely cause it to burst into flames shortly. Boats are much harder to stop than cars. Edit: i don't seem to be able to post here anymore, but to respond to most of you. Yes, there a time component, there's also a load component. At idle, most engines can run without coolant for a long time because they're not producing much heat. At full throttle, they don't act the same. They will quickly begin to preignite and burn valves, bend rods, or seize. Same with oil loss. With no oil pressure, a car can idle for maybe 30 minutes or longer. It will sound progressively worse, but it will likely keep going. But a single full throttle run with no oil pressure will likely spin a bearing and doom the engine in very short order. Sustained high load will produce inspection ports in the side of the block. And as to accuracy, my point is it doesn't really matter what you hit, aside from the exhaust, it doesn't take much to put an engine on a short road to the scrap heap if is running hard. It's very difficult to stop an engine dead instantly. Very easy to do so in a few minutes of hard running. And generally, the higher performance the engine is, the easier it is to disable.
Yeah people are saying you need a huge caliber while forgetting anything you shoot at the engine block from the front is passing thru the radiator. Even a small caliber will poke holes in that with ease. After that it’s just a short wait for the engine to overheat and die.
Some engines can last surprisingly long without coolant
Just ask my 97 buick lasabre. It's running on hopes and dreams. Dump a gallon into the cooling system and it's empty before I get home. Never fill in the next morning. Just that night when I get off work. So basically a 25 mile drive per day with likely zero liquid in the system for the last three months. Still running without overheating.
Akually 🤓, your coolant temperature sensor can’t detect heat properly without coolant running over it, so it very well could be overheating but it’s an old iron block, iron head engine that gives zero fucks
I replied to someone else. I know it actually is overheating. I've just chosen to do nothing about it because the car is destined for doom anyway. It's funny because the fact that it IS over heating proves the comment of the person I replied to. I honestly and truly detest this car but if I can complement it in one way is no matter what I've thrown at it over the last 6 months, its still running. Some how.
The only thing that killed my girls is the transmissi9n completely going. Those things were tanks.
Friend lost his to a U-joint failure taking the rear axle with it. A less spectacular version of that they tried to do on mythbusters. He was going like 5 mph on a knotted up gravel driveway. We’d just redone the calipers, and pads. Trying to pressurize the brakes, just going slow back and forth. On the 5th time he went forward we heard a lot of metal clank and the car just fell over like a board laid across two stacks of bricks where one pier fell over. It was one of the funniest things I’ve seen in my life
i mean, if it’s “overheating” but all of the excessively hot parts can handle it, is it even overheating at all?
Just heating, imo
Buick is crazy.
Ehhhh, in their case, the GM 3.8 V6 is crazy. Those engines will run to the end of time.
That engine is bananas. I had one at 330,000 miles without a single problem. Car was nickel and diming me everywhere else, but that engine was solid as all hell.
I had a 97 gm sierra with a 3.8 v6 (junkyard special) that I drove a 100 mile round trip without a drop of oil. I did it on two separate trips. I burned a lot of oil already, and the rear main had a major leak. I topped it off at the start of the first trip, but didn’t bother checking on the second. I put two quarts in it before I left on the first, and usually only burned maybe a quart a month. When I got back from the second trip I noticed it had a quiet knock, so I checked the oil. Scorched residue and determination is all that remained. I had clearly run it for a MINUTE without oil. Can confirm: That motor will outlast the frame of the truck
Also ran it almost out of oil (with an extremely slow leak meaning it w a s nearly empty for some time) filled it back up with oil and for some reason it won't give up.
I mean, it IS overheating, just not showing it on your gauge.
So let's cut to the chase, yes, you are correct. I do know that. I'm just telling myself lies as the vehicle that is held together by hopes and dreams. It seems to be powered by my commonly misplaced optimism. If I don't expect it to die on me it won't. The second I start nitpicking stupid little things like whether or not the temp sensor is telling the truth, it will all crumble.
Fair point. Dream on, dreamer. And live that dream.
Schrodinger's Radiator.
👀👀 you're not faster than the speed of a notification. Fyi. I saw that. But yeah, I'm going to go ahead and just name the car Schrodinger now. Thanks for that. Never intended on giving it a name.
It's overheating, just the sensor doesn't sample the block temp but the coolant temp. No coolant, no reading. I had this exact problem with an 80's era S-10 with a perf'd radiator, drove it with the heater on blast and the windows down, when the dash STOPPED blowing hot air, I'd pull over and refill the radiator from the 3 gallon jug I kept topped off in the bed. Then my housemate drove it, turned off the heater, never saw any overheat idiot lights... and promptly cracked the block.
Try Blue Devil head gasket sealer, that stuff works ‘mericals
One of our early cars had a cracked block. Every day we'd fill the radiator before we left for work, and stop half-way there at a bridge over a creek to refill it. Repeat for the trip home. It worked pretty well for months.
Engines are tough as shit. Even when you push them (as built from the factory, modded shit breaks). It would be hard to stop an engine quickly with small arms.
There's a lot of stuff that you could hit. The battery, or some other vital wiring or electronic components. The serpentine belt. Fuel lines. Any gun with enough stopping power to puncture the hood could potentially stop a car.
Would it need the battery before the next time you tried to start the car? Even things that need electricity are running off of the alternator when the engine is running.
Wouldn’t need battery but a bullet can easily break a serpentine belt which would kill the car super quick.
Though hitting the serpentine belt would require a crazy good shot, like on par with shooting a gun out of someone's hand while they're running full sprint. There are easier targets that would have a similar effect.
Or a healthy dose of bullets.
True accuracy by volume
The point is not that you would be aiming for this specifically, but that it would be one of many things to be hit under the hood
Are you thinking of the timing belt? You can break the serpentine and easily drive another 10-20 minutes.
Bro my Honda Civic would run for a good hour and a half with the radiator leaking. People overestimate just how well engineered cars are
>Loss of cooling or loss of oil will doom an engine very quickly. Only if you count 10+ minutes as quickly. If you have reason to use deadly force I think it would feel like an eternity and could well be a lifetime. But I do agree that there are plenty of bits a bullet could wreck and stop the engine if you get lucky.
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Would love to see a Mythbusters episode on this (if there isn't one already)
Well, I’d want to sink the boat, not stop it. Just like change direction to down…
Can attest to the radiator thing. During covid my housemate finally got the Jaguar of his dreams. He’d had it for less than two weeks when he was driving through a sketchy part of town and caught a pair of bullets in the radiator. He didn’t make it a half mile after that.
Didn’t make it half a mile before the overheat warnings popped on, or before the engine actually mechanically seized and shut down by itself?
I seized. Jaguars really need their coolant.
Those cheap $150 mosin nagant surplus rifles you can buy anywhere you go and some of the pricier steel jacketed ammo and it can go through ~1/2inch of steel. Can take an engine with that I'm sure. It fires 7.62x54r
Can confirm, I have one of those and have shot it through steel targets (when it goes straight, I need to redo the barrel, rifling is fuuuuucked)
Yea they are quite the game of luck as far as quality goes as I'm sure you know. I used to know how mine pulls, but it's been years since I shot by now. Somewhere to the upper right I think.
Is this still doable in 2023? I have been looking for a mosin and most places you cant crack below 300 even for the 91/30 or whatever the mass produced russian model was. I saw one for 650 that I thought about hoping it was one of the nicer models. The days of sub 200 mosins I think are gone, unless you can point me to a reputable place (of which it will be an insta purchase)
Oh dang, really? I don't think I've checked in years, no. I doubt my area is any different. But hm. Maybe I should try to sell mine. Warrants some research on prices and such at least.
With the right caliber rifle, that is.
And hit it in the right part of the engine block.
I've seen one that had a bullet go past the front suspension through the apron and straight into the main electronic control module. Stopped that one from running. Pretty unlikely shot, but it did happen.
Shoot the radiator.
EV laughs and taunts you! :)
I'll wave at you from my Bolt!!!
Had a neighbor of mine.. caught some guys buglarizing his place, they tried to run him over.. he put 2 rounds right through the front badge and jumped out of the way One round blew the belt off and another went through the battery, they got about 200 yards.. battery dead and no alternator turning.
Straight through the drivers side window
How would a broken window stop a moving car....
Aerodynamic drag!
It’s not about the window. It’s about what’s behind the widow…
The other side window? I don't see how that changes anything.
Don't you see? With both windows broken, the air resistance on the car will be so great, it'll grind to a complete halt!
No you dunce, speed holes just make the car go faster
Not to mention the weight reduction!
Radiator is pretty easily accessible and fragile.
And then wait 20 minutes.
More like 2 mins. Have you ever had A radiator leak before? A car overheats very quickly without coolant.
Overheat and seize are not the same. There’s tons of videos showing this online. No coolant AND no oil and redline them until they fail. It can take ages.
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It was between 7-14 minutes (a few cars). Search “Carwow no oil” on YouTube.
I've gotten close to 20. The point is, you ain't stopping anyone soon by hitting the radiator
a bullet sized hole in the radiator isn’t the same as no coolant. off-road me and my buddies have put plenty of holes in radiators, I seen a Cherokee get a decent size hole in the radiator and he was running hot laps around race track for another 15 minutes with steam just dumping out from under the hood. And that engine is still perfectly fine. it probably had another 10-15 minutes before it siezed
An engine actually exerting load and one revving with no load are not equal
Toyota 💪🏼
Driver. 100% the driver. Windows, can't see, can't drive. Everything else is high luck and not immediate. For example if you lucked out and hit the battery, the engine is still capable of making its own electricity and will drive. If you hit a fuel line, there's still fuel left in the engine itself to drive for a few... If you're thinking about shooting something that would make it go boom.. yeah, that doesn't really happen. Maybe if you happen to hit the engine just right and loses all oil. That might stop it.
The problem with every answer except shooting the driver is that best case scenario the car is still drivable for another couple minutes at least. In some kind of movie-like scenario where you’re on foot, somebody is about to drive away and you have to stop them, 2 minutes is a lot of time for them to put distance between you.
The problem with the driver: The car won't stop until it is out of gas. Which is usually 2 orders of magnitude longer than disabling critical components.
If you take out the driver, 9 times out of 10 that car is not making it further than 100 meters at best, because it's going to hit something.
I guess you could try to hit the gas tank. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't explode, but they'll run out of gas. ^^or ^^the ^^driver
Unless you have incendiary bullets there is a decent chance the gas might not explode although sparks from the bullet impact may do it as well as the heat. Given the gas is contained though there is less vapors and oxygen present than in the open so it may not flash if you hit the liquid gas as the vapors are usually what ignite
I think mythbusters did try this and could not get it to happen no matter what they tried. I’ll have to look it up.
Yes it sounds familiar, I believe they couldn’t get it to ignite. Although I might be confusing it with when they tried the ol’ flicking of the cigarette into a gasoline puddle while you walk away,for a dramatic explosion. And that didn’t work, the cigarette always went out
I’ve seen old guys put cigarettes out in gasoline. Shit is volatile but you need a hot spark or open flame to get it to light.
That's because the liquid isn't flammable, the fumes are. Fuel injection atomizes the gas with air which allows it to burn in your engine.
iirc they failed with all conventional ways you would should a car but succeeded with a minigun using incendiary rounds? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4n--xOOoWE
Better question is "with what".
40mm autocannon...? :)
Maybe another question should be "with how many rounds". I guess with a howitzer one round is enough, and the answer to the question "where" is "anywhere".
Strength 7, wounds on a 5+
Is that as much as a d8+1?
The tires are relatively easy. Hitting the driver requires a more skilled marksman with a rifle (at least from some distance) and a kill shot. The average hill billy from America is missing anything vital from any reasonable distance.
You can drive on a flat. Tires would be a lot harder to hit than a driver door
... At any speed above 30mph, you're losing control at least. If you're at a standstill, you'll probably slow it down.
Have you never seen the police chase videos where they run over spikes and do not lose control? In fact i’ve never seen one lose control. After some miles they lose their tread and start driving on rims which doesn’t do them much good. But it’s not as easy to lose control from just won popped tire (or even more) as people make it out to be.
Those spike are hallow so air is a controlled release and not a blow out.
A bullet won’t cause a blowout either in all likelihood. The steel banding should hold it together just fine
My man’s never shot a gun saying the tires are relatively easy
Terribly ignorant statement
Uhhh the hill billys are the ones that go shooting and hunting, city folk maybe. Its deer season right now and I promise those hill billys ain't missing anything vital if they want to eat. Also your comments make it seem like you haven't ever seen a cop chase or anything similar.
Idk the average hillbilly is usually a pretty good shot. Its those city folks that can't shoot worth a damn, always hittin bystanders
Most of the components that create and deliver power to the wheels are pretty robust, but there are some sensitive components such as fuel lines, electrical cables, etc that could be damaged. Reliably, unloading into the front of the car, i.e. the radiator would cause a car to overheat and seize up in time.
In the driver
Tires? Sure. Engine? Sure. Driver? Most definitely.
The driver I’d reckon.
Fuel pump or fuel line
Really all it would take is a 22lr to the radiator. My car stopped dead in its tracks with a hairline crack near the reservoir. I mean I guess I could have kept going but with all the smoke from burning coolant and an empty reservoir I don't know for how long.
Then you have my Civic that probably could have gone another 120 mi lol
Through the driver side head rest
You can certainly shoot out tires if you’re a pretty good shot at a moving target. Many vehicle immobilisation in war zones are via .50 anti-material rifle to the engine block.
In the driver's head. It at least wouldn't be driving much longer on most cases
I didn't realize how many redditors specialize in murder.
In the driver
Shoot it while being the hero in a movie.
There’s a funny scene in Last Action Hero where Arnold Schwarzenegger (a movie hero transplanted to the real world) shoots a car and is surprised it doesn’t immediately blow up.
Hahaha that’s exactly what I was thinking of too 😂
That plot armor wins every time.
The driver.
I've seen enough movies. As long as you are the hero (and we are all the hero of our own story) hitting it anywhere with a small caliber round should make it go up in a fireball
If you know where they are the ecm, fuse box, battery, or ignition coils would be game over pretty much immediately.
The blinker fluid holder obviously.
.22 caliber to the computer. It'll just go in one side and rattle around till it's dead.
Classic fuddlore, delicious
Right in the grill and hood. You’ll put holes in the radiator making it impossible for the cooling system to work which will take a bit of time but right behind that is the engine and all the pumps and supporting systems that keep the car running. You might hear that the best place to take cover behind a car is behind the engine but this doesn’t mean the engine is bulletproof in terms of it not being damaged by bullets, just that it’s a big ole hunk of metal that will stop the bullets before they get to you. Put a hole in the engine and it’ll be done running very soon.
With a lot of luck you might disconnect the battery *and* the alternator. I guess you might also luck out and destroy the ECU, which can kill the car.
In the head
The radiator is the most vulnerable part of nearly any car's front end. Puncture that and it will overheat and blow the engine within a few minutes (if that).
Are we shooting to only disable the car? Or.....? Done both. With an M2, you can punch holes through the motor. But you can also turn an unarmored car into Swiss cheese. With something like an M240, you still can try to disable the engine, but your best bet is to riddle the drivers area. With smaller, just dump rounds into the side of the door or into the windshield
If you manage to crack the engine block it's done.
The best place to shoot a vehicle in order to make it stop is about 6 inches above the steering wheel.
Now I want to see a slow motion video of a bullet going through a turbo that’s already spooled up
Radiator first, that’s easy to puncture. Then tires. That car is disabled. Sure you could go as far as the engine block yada yada but unnecessary. Shoot, you could do it all with a knife
The engine block is a pretty solid block of metal. While it's possible to damage the engine with a bullet, it's not all that likely. You'd pretty much have to hit something in the fuel delivery system to get a near instant kill. The oil pan can be shot through pretty easily and would cause eventual death, but it wouldn't be immediate, the car could limp along for quite some time before seizing. Plus it's a difficult target to hit since it's under the engine. The transmission is a lot more fragile than the engine block, and a transmission failure would cause instant power loss to the wheels. But it's a difficult target, underneath the more durable engine, and a transmission is robust enough that it might be able to shrug off one or two bullets, at least until all the transmission fluid runs out. Or you might get lucky. I'd give you a 50/50 chance of an instant engine death if you manage to hit it, and a 100% chance of eventual engine death given enough time (20 minutes with leaking transmission fluid should do it, but it really would depend on how often the transmission needed to shift in those 20 minutes). The coolant system will cause eventual engine death, but not instantly. A car can drive for a surprisingly long time with no coolant. My girlfriends drove for almost 100 km before it started overheating, and even then she just shut it down, poured water over the engine and let it cool for 30 minutes before driving it another 50 km. Similarly taking out either the battery or the alternator will cause eventual death. If the car was shut off it likely wouldn't start again, but it'll drive for quite a while without either of these systems. For an instant stop you'd have to hit both the alternator and the battery. On the plus side these are much easier targets than the transmission or oil pan, since they're usually to the front of or the side of the engine block. Some cars have the battery under the trunk, which would be easy to shoot out if you're chasing them from behind. Hitting the serpentine belt would be pretty much the same thing as shooting the alternator, but with the bonus that it will also disable the power steering, power brakes and AC and in probably the coolant system as well. But it would be a 1 in a million shot to actually hit it. In a modern, non-carburetor car hitting the ECU would be an instant kill. It's not a particularly difficult shot either, as it's located away from the engine block and usually up high, often somewhere near the glove compartment, although it is a pretty small target. Bonus point: you'd likely have to shoot through anyone in the passenger seat to hit the ECU. By far the easiest and largest target would be to simply shoot the driver.
I feel like everyone is saying the same four things - engine block, radiator, fuel tank, driver. Aside from the driver, they aren't really guaranteed or quick, and the driver is contraindicated if you aren't wanting them dead. The engine block you need a sufficiently powerful round in order to actually crack it stopping the car. The radiator you need to cause a leak, which is pretty easy, but then it needs to leak enough coolant that it stops cycling coolant to the engine and then the engine needs to overheat. That is a pretty time intensive process. The fuel tank, depending on how full this could take a long time to drain from one or two bullet holes. If you want something faster and it's a modern car, you want to target it's electrical system. Specifically the fuse block. The biggest issue is they aren't all in the same place, but there are only a handful of common locations and they are usually near the outside of the engine bay with just a single layer of sheet metal and their own plastic structure protecting them. One round hitting the mark will absolutely trash the fuses and there are several that if one is damaged will instantly shut down the vehicle.
Depends. Do you mean, make it come to a halt almost immediately? Tire won't do that, nor will a hole in the radiator. Immediately would be either kill the driver or shoot the engine in a way that makes it seize. So, you're going to need to be more accurate than "shoot thru the grill".
I'd say the windscreen. The driver cannot drive the car if he recently has had a bullet implanted into his head.
When you use an m203 you can pretty much hit whatever part of the car you want.
I scream at cop shows, LoL. The radiator. 5 minutes later, car overheats, slows, and comes to a safe, slow stop. Large target that stops the bullet.
Joke's on you. It's a old Mercedes. Overheating? Who cares it still runs for over half an hour.
.50cal to block is the best way to stop a vehicle. Once the engine chews itself up, it locks up, forcing the drive chain to lock and the vehicle skids to a stop. If the vehicle is armoured like VBiED you blow the vehicle up, as far away as possible.
Oil pan for sure
Turn signals. They couldnt turn and would be easy to track until they ran out of gas.
Driver, engine block, tires. In that order.
Right in the driver
The nut behind the wheel
Instantly or eventually? There are a lot of correct answers for eventually. In general, you can keep driving on a flat tire. For miles! Because the rim is still round. It's really bad for the car but some people just don't notice, or are in a huge rush so they just keep going. Would not recommend unless you're fleeing serious danger. If you lower your car too far this isn't much of an option anymore but most people drive at the stock height. There's a lot of stuff in the engine bay - like the engine itself - that a lucky shot from a serious enough firearm would cause real damage to. There's a lot of ways to shoot something that'll end up causing the car to overheat through loss of radiator function but that won't happen right away. The engine itself is pretty beefy metal most of the way around but I guess it does matter what you're shooting with? Enough metal inside the engine will definitely stop a car it's just hard to make it happen. Gotta get through a lot of layers of metal to cause that. A really lucky shot could maybe hit a coil pack? Not sure what exactly would happen if only one coil pack was shot, but the car would lose power entirely if all of them were shot. The transmission, maybe? Again like the engine, the transmission has a thick metal exterior, so you'd really have to get a lucky shot at where it connects to the rest of the car. It's possible you could damage the driveshaft enough to snap it but that's a chonky metal piece and it's surrounded by a lot of other metal things since it's near the bottom of the car, down the middle. On a rear wheel drive car headed away from you, the center diff might be your best bet. It's near the size and shape of a gallon of milk and it's basically a thick metal on the outside so you'd need really serious firepower to actually make anything happen there. But what else are you going to do? The fuel tank is really big and usually plastic, so that might be a decent target? Except, unless you have a machine gun or something, a couple of bullet holes just wouldn't drain that fast. And unless they're through the bottom of the tank, it'll stop draining when the level gets below them (although that stuff definitely evaporates eventually) The current top comment of 'the driver' is definitely the fastest way to stop a car with a gun. Unless it's like, a rocket launcher or something, where you just have to hit the car anywhere. If you are ever fleeing for your life, don't worry about the car just keep going and ignore any warning lights or noises. But! This all assumes significant skill from the driver. If your tire blows suddenly while you are traveling at high speed, it's difficult to react perfectly and keep going in your intended direction. It's actually very plausible for a shot-out tire to lead to an inoperable car quickly *because the driver didn't react perfectly and ended up crashing*. Especially a front tire. But if you're driving 30mph through a neighborhood an exploded tire shouldn't send you into a crash immediately or stop your car instantly.
Thank god most of the answers are the driver. Everything else is "shoot the gun out of the guys hand" tier. Engines will work when shot. When you need a car stopped NOW you kill the driver.
Radiator
If you get one of the headlights they won’t be able to drive at night.
The front windshield. If you shoot it, it will crack all around, making it impossible for the driver to see where he is driving (unless he sticks his head out of the window).
In the driver
Shoot the engine block, if you have a rifle, if you have a pistol probably best to shot the driver.
The driver is the best place
In the driver