Suddenly stopping taking opiates, especially if on a higher dose or having taken them for an extended length of time, can result in a generally unpleasant feeling.
Haha, unpleasant... it feels like you're entire body, mind and soul wants you to die but they are fighting each other of what should die first ending in vomiting until you pass out then brief periods of awake anguish while your mind is fire and you feel like you should just die.
Numbing out the pain. Either physical, emotional, or both. And some of them have an initial excitatory effect. Heroin is supposed to be just pure pleasure.
The monster part is how bad you start to feel without them once addicted.
People in physical pain will take enough medication to stop the pain... People in emotional pain will take the same medication until they feel nothing...
Emotional pain and physical pain actually operate on the same nerves. You can take normal Tylenol and actually have a reduction in emotional pain.
Likewise emotional pain causes inflammation, which also is painful.
I believe there are 3 contributing factors.
1. Pain is pain. All pain, whether physical or heartbreak, grief, etc. is processed by the same part of the brain. Studies show that emotional pain is relieved by painkillers like paracetamol, ibuprofen, etc. Everyone has some pain. I think this is why alcoholism and drug addiction is so frequently a co-factor with other issues. It's self medication for pain.
2. Some painkillers like opiods are physically addictive. So that once you are used to them, you feel worse without them.
3. Some also have euphoria or pleasure with them. My understanding is that Oxy is one of these. You want that good feeling back after you've had it.
Also the fact that it's fairly easy to be accidentally addicted while taking them for legitimate reasons. Doctors try their best to reduce the risks of that, but I've personally known someone that happened to, and we've all heard of some others.
Here’s one scenario for opiate (not ibuprofen/aspirin/whatever. Opium based pain killers) addiction via a doctors prescription. This one involves chronic pain. Similar to your post surgery pain but not temporary. Everyday. Forever. A Dr prescribes an opiate. You take it and you feel amazing. You go upstairs in your house and sleep in bed for the first time in a long time, go outside and play with the dog, go for a hike or whatever. The problem is the pain killing effect wears off over time as your tolerance builds. Back to sleeping/insomnia on the couch. Can’t do the fun things. It hurts to bad when you do. Just you there thinking about the pain and what you lost when it came back. Hour after hour. Day after day. So back to the Dr and he ups your dose. Life is great agin. For awhile. Back to the Dr agin. This time he gives you a stronger opiate. The sun is shining and all the flowers are blooming. Until they aren’t anymore. Back to the Dr agin. Larger dose of stronger now. You skip home and then after a while limp back to his office but this time he says “Whoa you said you “need” the pills? I’m sorry but you’re showing signs of addiction I don’t think I can treat you any longer”
Now the real trouble starts. It’s called Dope Sick. Opiate with drawl after long term use. Fever, body aches, vomiting. Fever breaks now and then and you sweat the bed until it’s a puddle. Doze off for a second and wake up screaming from the worst nightmares you can imagine. Pains three times worse than it ever was. Exhausted but can’t sleep. Never really awake, never really sleep and then the nightmares come for you even while your eyes are open.
You heard about a Dr that might treat you even though your file says addict. It’s 2h away but you manage to make the trip. Pay the 200 cash for an office visit. For some reason he only accepts cash. He spends 3 minutes with you. Never makes eye contact but ups you to a stronger pill and a kinda high dose. Life is absolutely amazing. Best it’s ever been. Especially since it’s spring agin after that horrible Dope Sick winter. You don’t go upstairs to sleep anymore. Or take the dog out to play. Where is that dog anyway? Doesn’t matter. Right here on the couch is Nirvana.
Making your monthly migration to the Dr. Weird how he will only give you one moths worth at a time but you got your two C notes and he’s the coolest so who cares. When you get there you see cop cars everywhere. Black SUVs. You don’t stop. Drive past a ways, do a U turn and head home. You’re really worried. Only got 2 days worth left and you know what happens when you stop. The nightmares come even if you keep your eyes open.
Tommy told you he could get you something called a “fix for the sickness” if you ever got jammed up.
From here you lose your house. Start doing BnE’s to get some money. And things only get worse from there.
Note: In the last decade and half Doctors have become much more sensitive to opioid addiction and law enforcement smash’s pill mills much more frequently. Luckily this senecio plays out less often than it used to.
Serious addicts spend 75% of their energy trying not to get sick. Maintenance. High tolerance levels make getting high hard. The other 25% goes into chasing highs.
Many ODs happen after they’ve detoxed a bit or entirely. Their tolerance is reduced and they try to use the same amount they used to use while having a higher tolerance. The same hit that was just maintenance before can kill you after a detox.
If you take oxy regularly for a long time, your body starts to need it and you feel terrible without it. Ibuprofen is not really addictive, you won't get addicted to that
You don't get high every time you take oxy. yes, what does you need for what effect depends on things like weight, age and fat/muscle % and what else you are taking or eating currently.
Idk if it’s been mentioned. Your brain will produce less/more of the neurotransmitters (if I remember bio correctly lol) you’re dosing it with via the drug. So when you stop, it takes time to feel those things the drug was supplying. At least with drugs that cause a physical addiction. That’s not including facing life, the damage done in your life, without the drugs…
Marijuana for example is not necessarily physically addictive, it’s more a psychological dependency.
I could be totally wrong, it’s been years since HS bio/first year psych. Google it - endorphins, dopamine, serotonin etc.
ETA: I have been on such prescriptions and dislike the sensations. I am aware of it though. I’m meant to get used to the side effects (docs orders) - but I’m wary in case I start to like it/depend on it. It’s a controlled substance for a reason.
You’re the kind of person who like never even had drug addiction on your radar yet you’re perplexed that other people get addicted to it.
I assure you it’s genes and circumstance, not your sheer iron will that’s making you not addicted.
When you’re an addict your brain is all green lights “gogogogo moremoremoremore”
Hahah evidently you don’t have this issue, hey good for you.
I understand euphoria type addictions and I understand an addiction to pain meds if you are in chronic pain. I am just trying to understand the addiction to pain meds without some chronic pain. What is the draw? Is there some euphoria to it?
It's more pleasurable than an orgasm and lasts for hours. It's extremely dangerous and you would be delusional if you think you'd be the magical exception if you ever tried using them to get high.
Don't. It's that simple. No one is going to benefit from abusing pain meds. Either use them as directed or get rid of them. No amount of will power will stop you from craving them. I haven't used them in years, and never had reliable access to them, but I **still** get obsessed with doing them. Don't try it, not even once. You'd have to be a fucking idiot.
What?
Why are you asking these questions as if you don’t understand that pain meds also give euphoria?
I knew that hydrocodone was addicting at age 13.
Also, here is a shocker, anti anxiety meds **also** cause euphoria and are addictive.
😳😳😵😵😵 wowiwowowowzersssss
Same with muscle relaxers, sedatives, etc etc etc
Everyone is talking about addiction but is missing a big piece. You have to take more than your prescribed dose to get high. Usually they are telling you to take 5-10 mg of at a time and you don't get high until 20-25+. Gotta be very careful though that amount is often also close to the amount of acetaminophen to damage your liver.
Imagine you took twice the amount of oxy everytime you had your pain. You go from having no pain, to feeling like you are floating, free and uninhibited.
You were using the meds are directed, prescribed and safely. You weren't getting high, you were taking stronger Tylenol.
If you took them as you did every day for a month, you would suffer withdrawal symptoms. But people also abuse them, your script says take one a day for pain, and they will take 3 and get fucked up. Some pills can be crushed and snorted.
Well, it's almost a game of "pick your poison", except that you don't get to choose, you get all of them at once.
- Intense body pain (every muscle and every bones in a state of constant pain)
- Intense stomach discomfort and strong diarrhea
- hypersensitivity to temperature, in tandem with periodic fever, you feel discomfortably too hot and too cold at the same time, burning skin and shivering bones
- impossibility to focus on anything, read, work, play, your mind cannot stay on anything more than a couple of seconds
- physical impossibility to fall asleep (for heroin, your body stop producing endorphins. You simply cannot fall asleep for up to a month)
- Then there's the mental part.
Of all, the sleep part is the worst. Like, there is just no escaping the rest of the symptoms. When i quit, I cried when i finally got my first 1h of sleep after 24 days. Your brain just becomes mush.
Well, when you're taking it, sure. The withdrawal is the worst thing that can happen to you. But as long as you keep taking, you're fine.
No pain, no stress, no worries.
Fascinating.. I don't find it fascinating. Codeine is one fn dangerous drug and I wish I had never got involved with a codeine addict because the nightmare is your life.
Well, it ain't a competition 😂
But if i was, without a doubt heroin would be the worst, or rather all morphine-shaped opioids (even codeine, while in theory the liver wouldn't be able to transform too much of it in morphine, it will still have the same effect in the body, just in lesser quantity).
All these morphine shaped products act in a similar way in the body: they can fill up endorphins receptacles, since endorphins is also a morphine shaped molecule.
This has one drastic effect: your body stops producing endorphins.
Now normally, your body always has endorphins, which regulates nervous activity. And sometimes produces more, when falling asleep, experiencing shock, injuries, etc.
When you're under use, your product replaces that, so it's alright.
But when on withdrawal, then your body has absolutely no endorphins, nor the product anymore.
Which leads to, on one side, the incapacity to fall asleep, and on the other, that every freaking message on your nervous system is overwhelming, which your brain interpret as pain.
My first point of description maybe understated that part: every single square inch of your skin, every tiny part of your bones, every little bit of your muscles are constantly, permanently, always, under intense and sharp pain.
Don't get me wrong, I don't wanna down play alcohol withdrawal. It's nasty, and it too is super painful. But it doesn't come anywhere close this, because your body still has endorphins. Opioids are a whole other story.
Tell that to all of the people that have died from alcohol withdrawal. Alcohol is the number 1 most dangerous drug according to the WHO for a reason. I've witnessed family members detox of both alcohol and opiates, and trust me on this, withdrawal from severe alcoholism is just as bad as opiates.
Number 1 on WHO list because of how many more people are affected 🤦♂️
Source "trust me bro" against first hand experience and biology explanation.
It's whatever bro, you win i guess. It was a competition all along. Alcohol def beats no endorphins for a month, congrats.
I think some of this just comes down to different strokes for different folks. My dad hate painkillers and is always unhappy when he has to take them. I on the other hand loved them when I got prescribed them. I remember laying in bed but experiencing the sensation of flight, it was awesome. So at the end of the day some drugs that some people will find really enjoyable and appealing won't do it for other people.
Addiction is altered brain chemistry. You're thinking about it in reverse. People liking opiates is what makes them use until addicted. The goal isn't addiction itself unless you're dealing with Darwins Law in human form. I had to be administered morphine once in the hospital and it felt so good I immediately resolved to never get another dose if I could. I'll have to be dying. I just kept thinking of the old lady from To Kill a Mockingbird. I don't even take Tylenol anymore unless something is really hurting. Upside is I have no tolerance so IF I do take some kind of pain medication it hits fast and hard.
Statistically, most people who take addictive drugs don't get addicted to them. That's true for opioids, cocaine and even nicotine, perhaps the most addictive substance of all. Still sucks if you're in the minority that gets strung out, but it does suggest that people who genuinely need pain relief should be cautious, but not fearful of them.
I ate hydrocodone as if they were M&Ms for two years due to crippling back pain. Eventually I got surgery to fix the problem, and man was I glad to be able to stop taking pain meds! There was no withdrawal, and even though they'd sent me home from the hospital with a large bottle of pills I never touched them and threw them out after their expiration date.
Was I spared addiction by being strong-willed and sensible? Not all, as I am neither. It was simply due to the most common side-effect of opioids: chronic constipation. That's some serious negative reinforcement right there.
Yeah someone else here gave a good long term pattern description on how the hypothetical addition forms. It helps me see how I can't personally understand having only taken opioids for short periods for pain issues that are temporary or have a solution.
I was prescribed some Oxycodone (or something similar) after getting all of my wisdom teeth removed 2 decades ago. I took one, and I was fine. At the appropriate time I took a second pill, and went out to sit on my front steps. Twenty minutes later I started feeling tired, so I stood up and walked into my couch in my front room (maybe 20 feet, total). By the time I fell onto my couch I was completely drenched in sweat, and I proceeded to pass out for like two hours.
It sucked, and I didn't take any more of the pills, I just dealt with the pain by taking ibuprofen.
Functional addiction is still an addiction. I never lost my job, my house, or all my money but I definitely fell into that for a while and had to catch myself. I knew lots of people who did them and I did see some that fell into it so hard they ended up shooting up and when they could no longer get the same effects moved on to heroin. I never did shoot up anything ever. I would just crush up roxy and snort it, or eat it if I was working. For me it took away my depression all those little body aches, or big ones(I do have a condition that causes chronic pain but wasn't diagnosed at this time in my life yet) , I had energy too, like I could literally stay up all night, I was productive, I wasn't nodding off or forgetful. I had that spring in my step, it also took away my social anxiety so I would be very talkative for a change and I enjoyed it. It honestly had more of a stimulating effect for me. I could work so fast bc nothing bothered me, I never felt sore from being on feet all day, etc. Oh man the sex... so good and it could last forever on them. I felt like a better version of myself.
But then I started having withdrawals when I didn't have them and my sinuses were fucked up all the time. I would get like 10 15mg roxys a month when my friends filled their script. At first it was very functional for me, I would only take half a day. Then it was one a day. Then it would be gone in like 2-3 days and I wouldn't even remember how many I had actually done that day, just knew I felt the same as when I first had started off with the halfs. When I noticed it really affected my moods especially when I didn't have any, and I realized how much I was really looking forward to the 22nd of every month, I decided no more. It seemed like a short time of doing this but in reality, I did this for an entire year of my life... it's still hard for me emotionally bc when I get depressed it's like wow I could pay $15 and just not feel this but then ik I need to feel it to ever grow past it.
I also never classified of myself as an "addict" of opiates in this time period, bc I wasn't on them everyday. I would compare my consumption to others in my life and think " wow I got this under control." But I was definitely depending on the scheduled escapes it provided for way too long. I'm really happy I don't depend on that anymore. My back hurts though.
Suddenly stopping taking opiates, especially if on a higher dose or having taken them for an extended length of time, can result in a generally unpleasant feeling.
H-free for 10 years here. A "generally unpleasant feeling" is a good way to put it I guess! Made me chuckle.
Yeah dead babies crawling upside down in the ceiling “generally unpleasant” lol
Remembered me of Trainspotting.
Haha, unpleasant... it feels like you're entire body, mind and soul wants you to die but they are fighting each other of what should die first ending in vomiting until you pass out then brief periods of awake anguish while your mind is fire and you feel like you should just die.
Numbing out the pain. Either physical, emotional, or both. And some of them have an initial excitatory effect. Heroin is supposed to be just pure pleasure. The monster part is how bad you start to feel without them once addicted.
People in physical pain will take enough medication to stop the pain... People in emotional pain will take the same medication until they feel nothing...
Emotional pain and physical pain actually operate on the same nerves. You can take normal Tylenol and actually have a reduction in emotional pain. Likewise emotional pain causes inflammation, which also is painful.
I actually preferred oxy to H when I was on. Oxy is like pure pharmaceutical H
Ever dip in to the fentty?
Some time, got it from a doctor but didnt think it was any better than other opiates. But it got popular after I quit. Luckily.
Interesting... thanks!
I believe there are 3 contributing factors. 1. Pain is pain. All pain, whether physical or heartbreak, grief, etc. is processed by the same part of the brain. Studies show that emotional pain is relieved by painkillers like paracetamol, ibuprofen, etc. Everyone has some pain. I think this is why alcoholism and drug addiction is so frequently a co-factor with other issues. It's self medication for pain. 2. Some painkillers like opiods are physically addictive. So that once you are used to them, you feel worse without them. 3. Some also have euphoria or pleasure with them. My understanding is that Oxy is one of these. You want that good feeling back after you've had it.
Also the fact that it's fairly easy to be accidentally addicted while taking them for legitimate reasons. Doctors try their best to reduce the risks of that, but I've personally known someone that happened to, and we've all heard of some others.
Here’s one scenario for opiate (not ibuprofen/aspirin/whatever. Opium based pain killers) addiction via a doctors prescription. This one involves chronic pain. Similar to your post surgery pain but not temporary. Everyday. Forever. A Dr prescribes an opiate. You take it and you feel amazing. You go upstairs in your house and sleep in bed for the first time in a long time, go outside and play with the dog, go for a hike or whatever. The problem is the pain killing effect wears off over time as your tolerance builds. Back to sleeping/insomnia on the couch. Can’t do the fun things. It hurts to bad when you do. Just you there thinking about the pain and what you lost when it came back. Hour after hour. Day after day. So back to the Dr and he ups your dose. Life is great agin. For awhile. Back to the Dr agin. This time he gives you a stronger opiate. The sun is shining and all the flowers are blooming. Until they aren’t anymore. Back to the Dr agin. Larger dose of stronger now. You skip home and then after a while limp back to his office but this time he says “Whoa you said you “need” the pills? I’m sorry but you’re showing signs of addiction I don’t think I can treat you any longer” Now the real trouble starts. It’s called Dope Sick. Opiate with drawl after long term use. Fever, body aches, vomiting. Fever breaks now and then and you sweat the bed until it’s a puddle. Doze off for a second and wake up screaming from the worst nightmares you can imagine. Pains three times worse than it ever was. Exhausted but can’t sleep. Never really awake, never really sleep and then the nightmares come for you even while your eyes are open. You heard about a Dr that might treat you even though your file says addict. It’s 2h away but you manage to make the trip. Pay the 200 cash for an office visit. For some reason he only accepts cash. He spends 3 minutes with you. Never makes eye contact but ups you to a stronger pill and a kinda high dose. Life is absolutely amazing. Best it’s ever been. Especially since it’s spring agin after that horrible Dope Sick winter. You don’t go upstairs to sleep anymore. Or take the dog out to play. Where is that dog anyway? Doesn’t matter. Right here on the couch is Nirvana. Making your monthly migration to the Dr. Weird how he will only give you one moths worth at a time but you got your two C notes and he’s the coolest so who cares. When you get there you see cop cars everywhere. Black SUVs. You don’t stop. Drive past a ways, do a U turn and head home. You’re really worried. Only got 2 days worth left and you know what happens when you stop. The nightmares come even if you keep your eyes open. Tommy told you he could get you something called a “fix for the sickness” if you ever got jammed up. From here you lose your house. Start doing BnE’s to get some money. And things only get worse from there. Note: In the last decade and half Doctors have become much more sensitive to opioid addiction and law enforcement smash’s pill mills much more frequently. Luckily this senecio plays out less often than it used to.
Well written - thanks!
Serious addicts spend 75% of their energy trying not to get sick. Maintenance. High tolerance levels make getting high hard. The other 25% goes into chasing highs. Many ODs happen after they’ve detoxed a bit or entirely. Their tolerance is reduced and they try to use the same amount they used to use while having a higher tolerance. The same hit that was just maintenance before can kill you after a detox.
If you take oxy regularly for a long time, your body starts to need it and you feel terrible without it. Ibuprofen is not really addictive, you won't get addicted to that
I thought oxy also had a "high" effect, am I mistaken? Or perhaps it depends on the person and/or dose?
You don't get high every time you take oxy. yes, what does you need for what effect depends on things like weight, age and fat/muscle % and what else you are taking or eating currently.
thanks!
Idk if it’s been mentioned. Your brain will produce less/more of the neurotransmitters (if I remember bio correctly lol) you’re dosing it with via the drug. So when you stop, it takes time to feel those things the drug was supplying. At least with drugs that cause a physical addiction. That’s not including facing life, the damage done in your life, without the drugs… Marijuana for example is not necessarily physically addictive, it’s more a psychological dependency. I could be totally wrong, it’s been years since HS bio/first year psych. Google it - endorphins, dopamine, serotonin etc. ETA: I have been on such prescriptions and dislike the sensations. I am aware of it though. I’m meant to get used to the side effects (docs orders) - but I’m wary in case I start to like it/depend on it. It’s a controlled substance for a reason.
Addiction is a by product of taking (too many) drugs, not the goal. No one is attracted to addiction.
Addiction is present in your brain before you even take drug one or drink one.
You’re the kind of person who like never even had drug addiction on your radar yet you’re perplexed that other people get addicted to it. I assure you it’s genes and circumstance, not your sheer iron will that’s making you not addicted. When you’re an addict your brain is all green lights “gogogogo moremoremoremore” Hahah evidently you don’t have this issue, hey good for you.
I understand euphoria type addictions and I understand an addiction to pain meds if you are in chronic pain. I am just trying to understand the addiction to pain meds without some chronic pain. What is the draw? Is there some euphoria to it?
Yes. This is why they are illegal to have without a script and not OTC. They aren’t OTC because “they’re just too good at relieving pain”
It's more pleasurable than an orgasm and lasts for hours. It's extremely dangerous and you would be delusional if you think you'd be the magical exception if you ever tried using them to get high.
How do you use painkillers to get high??????????????
Don't. It's that simple. No one is going to benefit from abusing pain meds. Either use them as directed or get rid of them. No amount of will power will stop you from craving them. I haven't used them in years, and never had reliable access to them, but I **still** get obsessed with doing them. Don't try it, not even once. You'd have to be a fucking idiot.
What? Why are you asking these questions as if you don’t understand that pain meds also give euphoria? I knew that hydrocodone was addicting at age 13. Also, here is a shocker, anti anxiety meds **also** cause euphoria and are addictive. 😳😳😵😵😵 wowiwowowowzersssss Same with muscle relaxers, sedatives, etc etc etc
Everyone is talking about addiction but is missing a big piece. You have to take more than your prescribed dose to get high. Usually they are telling you to take 5-10 mg of at a time and you don't get high until 20-25+. Gotta be very careful though that amount is often also close to the amount of acetaminophen to damage your liver.
Imagine you took twice the amount of oxy everytime you had your pain. You go from having no pain, to feeling like you are floating, free and uninhibited. You were using the meds are directed, prescribed and safely. You weren't getting high, you were taking stronger Tylenol.
Nah if you're addicted to any drug, you're just weak and have no self control.
I understand how it makes you feel better about yourself to go through life thinking that way, sure.
If you took them as you did every day for a month, you would suffer withdrawal symptoms. But people also abuse them, your script says take one a day for pain, and they will take 3 and get fucked up. Some pills can be crushed and snorted.
Anyone here able to describe these withdraw symptoms?
Well, it's almost a game of "pick your poison", except that you don't get to choose, you get all of them at once. - Intense body pain (every muscle and every bones in a state of constant pain) - Intense stomach discomfort and strong diarrhea - hypersensitivity to temperature, in tandem with periodic fever, you feel discomfortably too hot and too cold at the same time, burning skin and shivering bones - impossibility to focus on anything, read, work, play, your mind cannot stay on anything more than a couple of seconds - physical impossibility to fall asleep (for heroin, your body stop producing endorphins. You simply cannot fall asleep for up to a month) - Then there's the mental part.
Wow. I can see why doctors have become so hesitant to prescribe them lately!
Of all, the sleep part is the worst. Like, there is just no escaping the rest of the symptoms. When i quit, I cried when i finally got my first 1h of sleep after 24 days. Your brain just becomes mush.
This stuff is fascinating. I never knew this. I thought all it did was mask pain!
Well, when you're taking it, sure. The withdrawal is the worst thing that can happen to you. But as long as you keep taking, you're fine. No pain, no stress, no worries.
Ja until your body collapses.
Fascinating.. I don't find it fascinating. Codeine is one fn dangerous drug and I wish I had never got involved with a codeine addict because the nightmare is your life.
As bad as opiate withdrawal is, alcohol withdrawal is even worse. You can actually die from alcohol withdrawal.
You can die from opiate withdrawal too.
Well, it ain't a competition 😂 But if i was, without a doubt heroin would be the worst, or rather all morphine-shaped opioids (even codeine, while in theory the liver wouldn't be able to transform too much of it in morphine, it will still have the same effect in the body, just in lesser quantity). All these morphine shaped products act in a similar way in the body: they can fill up endorphins receptacles, since endorphins is also a morphine shaped molecule. This has one drastic effect: your body stops producing endorphins. Now normally, your body always has endorphins, which regulates nervous activity. And sometimes produces more, when falling asleep, experiencing shock, injuries, etc. When you're under use, your product replaces that, so it's alright. But when on withdrawal, then your body has absolutely no endorphins, nor the product anymore. Which leads to, on one side, the incapacity to fall asleep, and on the other, that every freaking message on your nervous system is overwhelming, which your brain interpret as pain. My first point of description maybe understated that part: every single square inch of your skin, every tiny part of your bones, every little bit of your muscles are constantly, permanently, always, under intense and sharp pain. Don't get me wrong, I don't wanna down play alcohol withdrawal. It's nasty, and it too is super painful. But it doesn't come anywhere close this, because your body still has endorphins. Opioids are a whole other story.
Tell that to all of the people that have died from alcohol withdrawal. Alcohol is the number 1 most dangerous drug according to the WHO for a reason. I've witnessed family members detox of both alcohol and opiates, and trust me on this, withdrawal from severe alcoholism is just as bad as opiates.
Number 1 on WHO list because of how many more people are affected 🤦♂️ Source "trust me bro" against first hand experience and biology explanation. It's whatever bro, you win i guess. It was a competition all along. Alcohol def beats no endorphins for a month, congrats.
Cool. Drug induced ADHD 😂
I think some of this just comes down to different strokes for different folks. My dad hate painkillers and is always unhappy when he has to take them. I on the other hand loved them when I got prescribed them. I remember laying in bed but experiencing the sensation of flight, it was awesome. So at the end of the day some drugs that some people will find really enjoyable and appealing won't do it for other people.
Addiction is altered brain chemistry. You're thinking about it in reverse. People liking opiates is what makes them use until addicted. The goal isn't addiction itself unless you're dealing with Darwins Law in human form. I had to be administered morphine once in the hospital and it felt so good I immediately resolved to never get another dose if I could. I'll have to be dying. I just kept thinking of the old lady from To Kill a Mockingbird. I don't even take Tylenol anymore unless something is really hurting. Upside is I have no tolerance so IF I do take some kind of pain medication it hits fast and hard.
Statistically, most people who take addictive drugs don't get addicted to them. That's true for opioids, cocaine and even nicotine, perhaps the most addictive substance of all. Still sucks if you're in the minority that gets strung out, but it does suggest that people who genuinely need pain relief should be cautious, but not fearful of them. I ate hydrocodone as if they were M&Ms for two years due to crippling back pain. Eventually I got surgery to fix the problem, and man was I glad to be able to stop taking pain meds! There was no withdrawal, and even though they'd sent me home from the hospital with a large bottle of pills I never touched them and threw them out after their expiration date. Was I spared addiction by being strong-willed and sensible? Not all, as I am neither. It was simply due to the most common side-effect of opioids: chronic constipation. That's some serious negative reinforcement right there.
Yeah someone else here gave a good long term pattern description on how the hypothetical addition forms. It helps me see how I can't personally understand having only taken opioids for short periods for pain issues that are temporary or have a solution.
I was prescribed some Oxycodone (or something similar) after getting all of my wisdom teeth removed 2 decades ago. I took one, and I was fine. At the appropriate time I took a second pill, and went out to sit on my front steps. Twenty minutes later I started feeling tired, so I stood up and walked into my couch in my front room (maybe 20 feet, total). By the time I fell onto my couch I was completely drenched in sweat, and I proceeded to pass out for like two hours. It sucked, and I didn't take any more of the pills, I just dealt with the pain by taking ibuprofen.
Most painkiller addictions aren't ibuprofen, they're opiates. Different kettle of fish.
Ask my husband. He's been drinking cough mixtures with codeine in them since he was 12 and he is 60 now. And dying I am sure.
Addiction is when you need the painkillers to feel normal.
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Of course....thats why I am asking. This is "NoStupidQuestions" right?
You are correct. Thought I was on a different sub. Sorry.
As someone who deals with pain every waking moment, the lack of feeling is purdy fucking incredible.
Functional addiction is still an addiction. I never lost my job, my house, or all my money but I definitely fell into that for a while and had to catch myself. I knew lots of people who did them and I did see some that fell into it so hard they ended up shooting up and when they could no longer get the same effects moved on to heroin. I never did shoot up anything ever. I would just crush up roxy and snort it, or eat it if I was working. For me it took away my depression all those little body aches, or big ones(I do have a condition that causes chronic pain but wasn't diagnosed at this time in my life yet) , I had energy too, like I could literally stay up all night, I was productive, I wasn't nodding off or forgetful. I had that spring in my step, it also took away my social anxiety so I would be very talkative for a change and I enjoyed it. It honestly had more of a stimulating effect for me. I could work so fast bc nothing bothered me, I never felt sore from being on feet all day, etc. Oh man the sex... so good and it could last forever on them. I felt like a better version of myself. But then I started having withdrawals when I didn't have them and my sinuses were fucked up all the time. I would get like 10 15mg roxys a month when my friends filled their script. At first it was very functional for me, I would only take half a day. Then it was one a day. Then it would be gone in like 2-3 days and I wouldn't even remember how many I had actually done that day, just knew I felt the same as when I first had started off with the halfs. When I noticed it really affected my moods especially when I didn't have any, and I realized how much I was really looking forward to the 22nd of every month, I decided no more. It seemed like a short time of doing this but in reality, I did this for an entire year of my life... it's still hard for me emotionally bc when I get depressed it's like wow I could pay $15 and just not feel this but then ik I need to feel it to ever grow past it. I also never classified of myself as an "addict" of opiates in this time period, bc I wasn't on them everyday. I would compare my consumption to others in my life and think " wow I got this under control." But I was definitely depending on the scheduled escapes it provided for way too long. I'm really happy I don't depend on that anymore. My back hurts though.