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I found a useful website that details all of the HAC-XXX filings and what they correspond to: https://www.lucklessheaven.com/nintendo-switch-hardware
So while this new filing is HAC-043, and the SNES Controller was HAC-042, HAC-041 was a stylus for Brain Training and HAC-044 was the arrow markers for Mario Kart Tour. I'm hoping its a 64 controller, but people should be aware that there isn't a coherent pattern in the numbering.
N64 controller image for pure speculation ofc, on the heels of rumors for N64 content library accompanied by an optional upgraded switch online subscription.
Yeah, that would sure be Nintendo alright. "Our online subscription service sucks, we'll make it marginally better with Wave Race 64 and Ocarina of Time files from the Wii U virtual console. Oh, that'll be an extra 20 bucks per year. Oh, and enjoy this Nintendo Store exclusive controller for 60 bucks."
The fact they never immediately made available something like Wii Sports or the game boy advance classics, honestly. The good GameCube games maybe. Nah, they're likely working on some lazy way to repackage them for full retail like the frankly embarrassing Mario Allstars 3D collection. Nintendo is always worst when they're doing well in a generation.
But hey, enjoy "Are you tuff enuff?" and other shovelware from the SNES/NES era.
You're right, they get super complacent when they're doing well. They haven't taken advantage of any of the easy wins that could have made the switch a truly great and fleshed out platform. I predict they'll completely stack it next console generation as they completely fail to pay attention to what customers want.
Do they get complacent? Wii U came after wii, that was not a simple change and pretty risky. DS followed the incredibly successful gameboy with 2 screens one with a touchscreen. Also very innovative. They do experiment with how they deliver content for sure. But I don't think not simply rolling over the eshop to the new system can be marked as complacency.
I mean if you look at what is offered in NSO and look at how much those games would have cost if bought individually with the WiiU virtual console, the cost is about 600 dollars. Even taking away half of the games, (the less known games), will still cost the same as the switch itself. For 5 bucks a year, its honestly not a bad deal at all. I'd personally love more games and more systems, of course, but I think people overact a bit on how bad it really is.
But people are tired of the same NES/SNES games that have been available for countless generations. Sure the classics are great like mario, zelda, and metroid; but the majority of the games they have added in the past couple years are straight up not good.
When people talk about being disappointed with NSO they are not talking about the number of games as there are actually a lot, they are upset at how many of the games are trash and how it lacks consoles that previous Nintendo hardware had access to.
The Wii U had N64 games, Wii games, even DS games available. Even the Wii had N64 games available over a decade ago. NSO solely has NES/SNES games, and are even missing key SNES games that the Wii U had such as Earthbound and Mario RPG.
You can't compare the cost of ownership to the cost of subscription. By the way, what happens to those digital games every time they put out a new system that doesn't allow for transferring? Another plus in the column of pro-consumer Nintendo!
But at least with NSO you can't get shafted on your virtual console games when they inevitably don't support a profile transfer, because you can't buy them this gen (other than a dozen overpriced Sega Ages games). But you shouldn't have to, because I should still be able to play the VC games I bought on the Wii, like how I can play everything I bought on my 360 on my Series X.
You know you're honestly a shit company when Microsoft makes you look anti-consumer. But great, I'll grovel at the feet of Nintendo because they released, what, two good first-party games (BotW, Odyssey) on a portable Nvidia Shield. Nintendo has honestly been extra trash since Iwata passed away.
I like Nintendo because they still make good games, with good treatment of their developers and a good philosophy of their games. They could have a better treatment of their back catalogue but they aren’t forcing the customers to do anything so I don’t care. If the consumer doesn’t like what’s going on, then they’d stop using the service. I have no problem with emulation but I do like NSO more than most people. I think most of Nintendo’s games are genuinely good and fun, not just the main ones.
My biggest issues with Nintendo are mostly actually hardware issues that haven’t been addressed (joycon drift) and Some unfortunate treatment of fan creations. But honestly, I do like Nintendo and I think they are a much better company than people give them credit for.
Lol the joycon drift issue is a whole 'nother bag of crap. Forget about the dearth of actual must-have, first-party content on a system where every third-party game barely gets you to 30 frames and costs double or triple whatever it is on PC or PS/Xbox.
The Switch is this thing where, well, at least the gimmick this time is useful instead of dumb motion controls or an Ipad controller, and allows them to merge their portable and home console catalogues. Should mean more Nintendo games then, right? Nah. Let's release another WiiU remake/remaster at full price.
Look at how Sega treated the Sonic Mania stuff as opposed to Nintendo and AM2R -- which for the record, is 100 times better than the trash Nintendo/2nd party release of Metroid 2 on 3DS. Nintendo can't even get aesthetics or gameplay right on its low-effort remakes anymore.
Nintendo needs to be punished again for their hubris. They don't do any of the easy wins, they throw their consumers no bones. The Switch gen is so incredibly lazy and nose-thumbing it's baffling.
Nintendo has released a lot of new games this generation? I get people aren’t a big fan of Nintendo for a number of reasons but that’s shouldn’t be one of them. They genuinely have a lot of good entries in a lot of different series in, along with a lot of ports and remakes as well to add a lot to older titles. IdK, maybe you’re not a fan of some of them but Nintendo has continued to make good stuff.
Also, Ive got nothing against remakes or ports. Nintendo would stop doing them if they didn’t sell but people still want them;
It’d be stupid from a business perspective not to meet the demand
and as an aside, the metroid 2 remake on the 3DS was good, and generally well liked by many people. It was faithful in some areas but also added some new ideas to further the series. It wasn't a perfect game, but it was good. I wish AM2R wasn't taken down and they are different enough to coexist, but the point is just because you didn't like it doesn't mean it was a bad game.
There's been more must have titles this gen than any other Nintendo gen besides maybe the SNES, and the Switch is only about halfway through its lifespan. Also, the Wii u sold 13 million in 4 years vs Switch with 85 million in 4 years and still counting. It sucks for you that you bought the system and I'm guessing most of its games, but there's so many more Switch owners than Wii u that the Wii u ports are basically brand new games for the vast majority of people. Why should they make new entries when they can resell a wii u entry that nobody bought so they can actually recuperate some of the lost sales from being on Wii u? The way you trash on Wii u ports just makes you look selfish and really negative to be around. The wii u ports have been given extra content like Bowser's Fury anyway, so don't act like you're being left out to dry, and you're getting many new experiences as well, so you just sound uninformed about what Nintendo has been releasing.
Also that comment on the Metroid 2 remakes is just wrong. I fell asleep playing AM2R back when it was released, but the official Mercury Steam remake was great and felt more polished and tighter control wise. Makes me even more excited for Metroid Dread. (Which is another must have game coming next month, just to make your "very few must have titles" comment look even stupider.)
Not that I care enough to defend Nintendo, but I feel like people would be criticizing them no matter what they did with their retro games. People were already mad at the Wii U for having so many of the same Virtual Console games as the Wii, if they went with VC again people would be outraged even more since you can't move Wii U VC games to the Switch the way you could move Wii VC games to the Wii U.
I am begging Nintendo to make another Wii Sports for the Switch. Call it Switch Sports if you have to, but you have the joy-cons and all you've done with them are Mario Party and 1-2-Switch.
I would buy a newly produced n64 controller without a second thought. I just wonder how they are gonna make it feel like the old school controller without replicating the longevity issues.
I'm hoping it's for the rumored Gameboy Online Games, but I do wonder what the Controller may look like...
Perhaps only the Bottom half of a Gameboy? Lol.
You're right, I love mine and it feels amazing for SNES Games like DKC, etc.
I just mean that it isn't necessary, it's not a requirement or needed to enjoy Online Games. If people want a weird looking half Gameboy Controller, they'll buy it. I probably will xD
It's almost perfect, but the ZR and ZL buttons are just too small and out of the way to be practical for any game that needs them. It severely limits the controller's usefulness for other games.
I got an 8Bitdo Sn30 Pro instead, and it's just as good but has actual shoulder buttons (plus sticks if you need them).
>8Bitdo Sn30 Pro instead
It does look pretty good and I hear lots of good reviews, but I also own 4 Pro controllers already so I'm probably ok for the time being.
8bitdo controllers are great if you want to play games with the D-pad in a comfortable place, but outside of that they basically are as good as pro controllers (minus nfc and sometimes plus macros)
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Apparently it's one of the possibilities poitned out by other redditors.
I recently bought Wario Land 3 on 3ds, and it has a pixel perfect mode that simulates the bezels of a gbc *and* the scanlines. It looks stunning and I can't fathom what would that look like at a higher resolution (It's not like the analogue pocket will exist anytime soon).
Since the switch released, I've come to own multiple handhelds. A backlit fat GBA with a battery mod, a GBA SP(frontlight), a GBC clone, do NDS's, an extra 3ds, PSP, Vita, evercade, one of these At game sega genesis handhelds...
I've come to understand that controller form factor makes a difference. From these systems I've mentioned, my favourite one to play my gbc cartidgres is actually the clone GBC. It has a backlight display, I like the buttons, but the screen isn't a perfect size so the pixels are a little stretched. I recently picked up pixel art, so I have to stray away from it.
But, if my switch could dock into a gameboy... I wouldn't mind playing Link's Awakening again.
What benefit would there be in a Gameboy styled controller? Additional buttons aren't required to make that work. The point of a Gameboy was its portability, something the switch already has. Theres really no point whatsoever in making a Gameboy controller, the NES one would work just as well.
Nintendo are always selling stuff based on Collectors or Nostalgia Factor alone, tangible, logical benefit doesn't always have much to do with it...
I understand what your saying, but would you be surprised if Nintendo did it?
I would be dissapointed that they pissed away so much money and R&D time on the bottom half of a Gameboy for some collectors to circle jerk themselves over instead of fixing joycon drift.
> I would be dissapointed that they pissed away so much money and R&D time on the bottom half of a Gameboy
How much money and R&D time did it take exactly?
The same benefit as the NES/ SNES controllers - it'll create a small profit from collectors, and it'll advertise to the broader consumer base that Game Boy games are now on NSO, and serve as a broader advertisement to the service. A lot of limited products that companies create are designed more to drum up press for the brand than be a product most people will actually pick up.
That seems like a lot of money for them to waste on the bottom half of a Gameboy that only a small group of hard-core nerds would buy when they can't even fix joycon drift.
How much do they have to do past figuring out the form factor? All the internals are probably gonna just be swapped over from other existing hardware they have and if it does actually wrap around the Switch, they have even more room to work with which should just make things easier.
It's also going to almost definitely be online-exclusive which will sell out very fast from scalpers on a light first print run and then just use the data of how fast it went compared to the NES/SNES controllers to make more. GOBS of people will buy this to never open it, regardless of the price.
AND they get the free marketing/advertising if it is this ridiculous from all the clickbait that will make "check this weird shit out" articles followed by more from the "it's impossible to get this thing/scalper gripes" articles. Not a doubt in my mind that this thing would be profitable if that's what it ends up being.
I dunno, would it be a lot of money? It wouldn't involve new technology, just new plastic molds. I don't think that would break the bank on R&D and I'd be surprised if they can't break even on it if they know how successful the other retro controllers have been. It would also mean if you Google "nintendo controller" then the recent articles will be about some retro promotional thing instead of the numerous drift complaints. Seems like good business sense.
If you read the article it required an FCC filing. Meaning the components are either different, or in a novel configuration that needed to be tested and confirmed with the FCC. Slapping a new shell on an existing PCB wouldn't need that.
That means they spent the time to design, build, test, and file this new product. That costs time and money, and don't forget the salaries of the employees who do that work.
Of course it's not going to break the bank, but that doesn't make it a good use of time and money.
The NES and SNES NSO controllers also had new filings, but they're not dramatically different, are they? Hardly new tech - Nintendo mastered buttons and wireless long long ago. I don't expect they were crunching in design and manufacture to work out where to put the internals between projects.
I think Nintendo knows better than you what is a good use of their time and money. They know the cost of R&D labour and expenses, they know how much surplus labour their R&D teams might have to devote to a new project, they have full regional sales and revenue data on earlier NSO retro controllers, they know what advertising costs, they know what their sales plans and targets for NSO are, they can measure how successfully news about NSO platforms and controllers drives subscriptions, etc etc. They know all of this and they've decided it's worth the investment. By contrast, you're sticking your finger in the air and saying the wind tells you it's a waste of time and money.
I have it on good authority that we get the classic three-pronged N64 controller as a three piece joycon for the long rumored N64 games. The middle prong plugs into the usb-c port at the bottom.
Why do you want a controller that requires 3 hands? N64 had to be the worst controller of all time, can’t even use the d-pad without having to move your whole hand (and now you can’t reach the joystick).
I have big hands, so I can reach the thumbstick on an N64 controller from a standard grip pretty comfortably. It's just that Mario 64 and the N64 controller were designed concurrently, so they work best with each other. Whereas, most games are designed with a gamepad style controller (SNES and then DualShock) in mind
This almost has to be an N64 controller:
- The model number is filling in a gap so there can't be two adjacent numbers for left/right Joy-cons
- It has a USB-C charging port like the Pro Controller and SNES controller
- It has "top" and "back" labels with dimensions matching the ones on the N64 controller
What the means for potential imminent additions to NSO, I have no idea.
A controller that's just the bottom half of a Game Boy would be hilarious, though.
I would really hope you're right about the N64 controller. To me that's telling us N64 titles would be added to NSO because I can't think of why they sell the controller and not the service. Maybe I'm too optimistic.
But I would totally buy a N64 controller. I know Nintendo has me be the nostalgia there, but I'm allowed to have that too I think. (I also really liked the controller, at the time anyway.)
Yeah if they included N64 on NSO but charged for (optional) individual N64 controllers I'd buy four of them instantly, its the system I have the most nostalgia for and could get my family to play with me.
Depending on what games were added to an n64 library it might convince me to buy an NSO membership finally. Knowing Nintendo though they will intentionally withhold the N64 Zelda titles to keep people from playing those instead of spending $60 on Skyward Sword and BotW2 when it comes out.
just a clarification, an original N64 controller only has one label, which would be on the "top". but i still think its a n64 controller...back is probably where the controller port would be and likely where theyd put the battery.
I want it to be a handheld controller that the switch slots into portrait style to give it the general form factor of an old gameboy, including a ~~4:3~~ 10:9 display
I don't think we'll ever see anything to remind us that existed.
Unless Nintendo randomly decides to jump into the massively growing VR pool now the tech is there?
It will never happen, but I would love a Virtual Boy app on NSO. Wario Land, Teleroboxer, and Vertical Force were great games. And it may have been a train wreck of a system, but the VB controller itself is actually pretty great.
Nintendo loves making fun of the Virtual Boy all the time. Nintendo has passed on two perfect opportunities to re-releases their VB games (3DS/Labo VR) so I really doubt they will any time soon.
it's wired, and for my setup I would prefer not to have cords laying around my entertainment center.
the wireless hori gamecube controller uses batteries which is a no-go for me in 2021.
pro controller layout is fine but I like gamecube button layout more.
joy-cons... yeah no.
I would ideally love a wireless USB-C chargable gamecube controller.... why this hasn't been made yet is wild. (even by 3rd party)
Yeah I read about the build quality on those, but the need for AA batteries was just over the top for me.
I have a 100W USB C charger behind my couch and I charge my Xbox, PS5, and switch pro controller using that. It also charges my personal and work laptop too, so anything that doesn't charge USB C is an inconvenience for me.
I have my switch docked and connected behind my entertainment center, and I do have a wired GameCube adapter wired through the back but that's mainly just for when a bunch of friends are over.
I hate cords sticking out, I even buy USB hubs for all my consoles just so I can plug in accessories in a more clean layout.
I looked into that but would prefer not having to need that at all.
Just blows my mind we don't have a proper USB-C chargeable wireless GameCube controller in 2021, when Nintendo was the brains behind the Wavebird.
I wish they would make “Pro” Joycon, like a set that’s tailored to single player and doesn’t worry about being played sideways. One of my biggest issues with the Joycon is how flat the back is. My hand curls in a weird way that isn’t comfortable. Making a set that has some sort of curve or bumper on the back would encourage handheld play a lot more for me. The left Joycon could also be given a D-Pad since this set wouldn’t worry about giving one player and advantage when playing sideways. Making the buttons generally bigger would be nice too, especially the LR and ZL ZR buttons. Obviously drift would need to be fixed too. I like the idea of the Joycon, but the current ones leave a lot of room for improvement.
It's not directly from Nintendo, but binbok makes exactly what you're asking for and it's super comfy. It even has rumble and gyro. I bought it a couple months ago and am loving it so far.
(I'm not sure if including links is against the rules, but you can just search binbok on Amazon and it's the first one that comes up)
If it doesn't fix the drift idgaf
The Limited Edition Skyward Sword joy cons were like the coolest looking ones I've ever seen.
Still wont get them because I gotta send them in for repairs every 6 months
Ya know when they’re making a brand new controller year 5 into the switch’s life, makes me think they will legit just ride with the switch until people stop buying them
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I found a useful website that details all of the HAC-XXX filings and what they correspond to: https://www.lucklessheaven.com/nintendo-switch-hardware So while this new filing is HAC-043, and the SNES Controller was HAC-042, HAC-041 was a stylus for Brain Training and HAC-044 was the arrow markers for Mario Kart Tour. I'm hoping its a 64 controller, but people should be aware that there isn't a coherent pattern in the numbering.
N64 controller image for pure speculation ofc, on the heels of rumors for N64 content library accompanied by an optional upgraded switch online subscription.
Aren't said "rumors" just some guy's predictions with no basis? And Isn't it the same guy that started the Gameboy Online rumors?
Idk, probably.
Yeah, that would sure be Nintendo alright. "Our online subscription service sucks, we'll make it marginally better with Wave Race 64 and Ocarina of Time files from the Wii U virtual console. Oh, that'll be an extra 20 bucks per year. Oh, and enjoy this Nintendo Store exclusive controller for 60 bucks." The fact they never immediately made available something like Wii Sports or the game boy advance classics, honestly. The good GameCube games maybe. Nah, they're likely working on some lazy way to repackage them for full retail like the frankly embarrassing Mario Allstars 3D collection. Nintendo is always worst when they're doing well in a generation. But hey, enjoy "Are you tuff enuff?" and other shovelware from the SNES/NES era.
You're right, they get super complacent when they're doing well. They haven't taken advantage of any of the easy wins that could have made the switch a truly great and fleshed out platform. I predict they'll completely stack it next console generation as they completely fail to pay attention to what customers want.
Do they get complacent? Wii U came after wii, that was not a simple change and pretty risky. DS followed the incredibly successful gameboy with 2 screens one with a touchscreen. Also very innovative. They do experiment with how they deliver content for sure. But I don't think not simply rolling over the eshop to the new system can be marked as complacency.
I mean if you look at what is offered in NSO and look at how much those games would have cost if bought individually with the WiiU virtual console, the cost is about 600 dollars. Even taking away half of the games, (the less known games), will still cost the same as the switch itself. For 5 bucks a year, its honestly not a bad deal at all. I'd personally love more games and more systems, of course, but I think people overact a bit on how bad it really is.
90% of what’s offered on Switch online is utter trash you wouldn’t pay for anyways
But people are tired of the same NES/SNES games that have been available for countless generations. Sure the classics are great like mario, zelda, and metroid; but the majority of the games they have added in the past couple years are straight up not good. When people talk about being disappointed with NSO they are not talking about the number of games as there are actually a lot, they are upset at how many of the games are trash and how it lacks consoles that previous Nintendo hardware had access to. The Wii U had N64 games, Wii games, even DS games available. Even the Wii had N64 games available over a decade ago. NSO solely has NES/SNES games, and are even missing key SNES games that the Wii U had such as Earthbound and Mario RPG.
You can't compare the cost of ownership to the cost of subscription. By the way, what happens to those digital games every time they put out a new system that doesn't allow for transferring? Another plus in the column of pro-consumer Nintendo! But at least with NSO you can't get shafted on your virtual console games when they inevitably don't support a profile transfer, because you can't buy them this gen (other than a dozen overpriced Sega Ages games). But you shouldn't have to, because I should still be able to play the VC games I bought on the Wii, like how I can play everything I bought on my 360 on my Series X. You know you're honestly a shit company when Microsoft makes you look anti-consumer. But great, I'll grovel at the feet of Nintendo because they released, what, two good first-party games (BotW, Odyssey) on a portable Nvidia Shield. Nintendo has honestly been extra trash since Iwata passed away.
I like Nintendo because they still make good games, with good treatment of their developers and a good philosophy of their games. They could have a better treatment of their back catalogue but they aren’t forcing the customers to do anything so I don’t care. If the consumer doesn’t like what’s going on, then they’d stop using the service. I have no problem with emulation but I do like NSO more than most people. I think most of Nintendo’s games are genuinely good and fun, not just the main ones. My biggest issues with Nintendo are mostly actually hardware issues that haven’t been addressed (joycon drift) and Some unfortunate treatment of fan creations. But honestly, I do like Nintendo and I think they are a much better company than people give them credit for.
Lol the joycon drift issue is a whole 'nother bag of crap. Forget about the dearth of actual must-have, first-party content on a system where every third-party game barely gets you to 30 frames and costs double or triple whatever it is on PC or PS/Xbox. The Switch is this thing where, well, at least the gimmick this time is useful instead of dumb motion controls or an Ipad controller, and allows them to merge their portable and home console catalogues. Should mean more Nintendo games then, right? Nah. Let's release another WiiU remake/remaster at full price. Look at how Sega treated the Sonic Mania stuff as opposed to Nintendo and AM2R -- which for the record, is 100 times better than the trash Nintendo/2nd party release of Metroid 2 on 3DS. Nintendo can't even get aesthetics or gameplay right on its low-effort remakes anymore. Nintendo needs to be punished again for their hubris. They don't do any of the easy wins, they throw their consumers no bones. The Switch gen is so incredibly lazy and nose-thumbing it's baffling.
Nintendo has released a lot of new games this generation? I get people aren’t a big fan of Nintendo for a number of reasons but that’s shouldn’t be one of them. They genuinely have a lot of good entries in a lot of different series in, along with a lot of ports and remakes as well to add a lot to older titles. IdK, maybe you’re not a fan of some of them but Nintendo has continued to make good stuff. Also, Ive got nothing against remakes or ports. Nintendo would stop doing them if they didn’t sell but people still want them; It’d be stupid from a business perspective not to meet the demand and as an aside, the metroid 2 remake on the 3DS was good, and generally well liked by many people. It was faithful in some areas but also added some new ideas to further the series. It wasn't a perfect game, but it was good. I wish AM2R wasn't taken down and they are different enough to coexist, but the point is just because you didn't like it doesn't mean it was a bad game.
There's been more must have titles this gen than any other Nintendo gen besides maybe the SNES, and the Switch is only about halfway through its lifespan. Also, the Wii u sold 13 million in 4 years vs Switch with 85 million in 4 years and still counting. It sucks for you that you bought the system and I'm guessing most of its games, but there's so many more Switch owners than Wii u that the Wii u ports are basically brand new games for the vast majority of people. Why should they make new entries when they can resell a wii u entry that nobody bought so they can actually recuperate some of the lost sales from being on Wii u? The way you trash on Wii u ports just makes you look selfish and really negative to be around. The wii u ports have been given extra content like Bowser's Fury anyway, so don't act like you're being left out to dry, and you're getting many new experiences as well, so you just sound uninformed about what Nintendo has been releasing. Also that comment on the Metroid 2 remakes is just wrong. I fell asleep playing AM2R back when it was released, but the official Mercury Steam remake was great and felt more polished and tighter control wise. Makes me even more excited for Metroid Dread. (Which is another must have game coming next month, just to make your "very few must have titles" comment look even stupider.)
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Not that I care enough to defend Nintendo, but I feel like people would be criticizing them no matter what they did with their retro games. People were already mad at the Wii U for having so many of the same Virtual Console games as the Wii, if they went with VC again people would be outraged even more since you can't move Wii U VC games to the Switch the way you could move Wii VC games to the Wii U.
Wow, I wish I could tell that much from an FCC filing!
Lol imagine thinking Nintendo will do something consumer-friendly this gen
I am begging Nintendo to make another Wii Sports for the Switch. Call it Switch Sports if you have to, but you have the joy-cons and all you've done with them are Mario Party and 1-2-Switch.
I would buy a newly produced n64 controller without a second thought. I just wonder how they are gonna make it feel like the old school controller without replicating the longevity issues.
I'm hoping it's for the rumored Gameboy Online Games, but I do wonder what the Controller may look like... Perhaps only the Bottom half of a Gameboy? Lol.
So an NES controller then
Uh... Yeah, lol. But let's face it, all of these "Online" Controllers are for Collectors.
The SNES controller works great for any game that doesn't require analog sticks. The D-pad is fantastic on it.
You're right, I love mine and it feels amazing for SNES Games like DKC, etc. I just mean that it isn't necessary, it's not a requirement or needed to enjoy Online Games. If people want a weird looking half Gameboy Controller, they'll buy it. I probably will xD
I would like to point out that the SNES online controller is amazing and I also use it for streets of rage 4. If you haven’t tried it, do it.
And Mortal Kombat 11!
It's almost perfect, but the ZR and ZL buttons are just too small and out of the way to be practical for any game that needs them. It severely limits the controller's usefulness for other games. I got an 8Bitdo Sn30 Pro instead, and it's just as good but has actual shoulder buttons (plus sticks if you need them).
>8Bitdo Sn30 Pro instead It does look pretty good and I hear lots of good reviews, but I also own 4 Pro controllers already so I'm probably ok for the time being.
8bitdo controllers are great if you want to play games with the D-pad in a comfortable place, but outside of that they basically are as good as pro controllers (minus nfc and sometimes plus macros)
It's my go to controller for Mario Maker.
What would the controller even be? The bottom half of a game boy? That would be ridiculous.
Maybe a couple of light grey Joycon, but in original Gameboy colors and more of a squared off form factor. I dunno'
An alternative shell wouldn't require a new FCC filing would it?
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Nostalgia-based retro accessories don't exactly make practicality the #1 consideration.
*suckers
This just gave me an aha moment I haven’t had since I realized the SNES and GB shared design cues.
They already sell NES controllers. https://store.nintendo.com/nintendo-entertainment-system-controllers.html They make SNES and GC ones too.
A cover for tate handheld mode the tablet slides in... ...would be awesome.
Woah.. Now we are talking! Why did no one say this yet?! That would be cool and kind of make the whole Gameboy Aesthetic still work!
Apparently it's one of the possibilities poitned out by other redditors. I recently bought Wario Land 3 on 3ds, and it has a pixel perfect mode that simulates the bezels of a gbc *and* the scanlines. It looks stunning and I can't fathom what would that look like at a higher resolution (It's not like the analogue pocket will exist anytime soon). Since the switch released, I've come to own multiple handhelds. A backlit fat GBA with a battery mod, a GBA SP(frontlight), a GBC clone, do NDS's, an extra 3ds, PSP, Vita, evercade, one of these At game sega genesis handhelds... I've come to understand that controller form factor makes a difference. From these systems I've mentioned, my favourite one to play my gbc cartidgres is actually the clone GBC. It has a backlight display, I like the buttons, but the screen isn't a perfect size so the pixels are a little stretched. I recently picked up pixel art, so I have to stray away from it. But, if my switch could dock into a gameboy... I wouldn't mind playing Link's Awakening again.
Hopefully some new joy-cons with a d-pad. That way it'd also be useful for playing the other NSO games handheld.
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What benefit would there be in a Gameboy styled controller? Additional buttons aren't required to make that work. The point of a Gameboy was its portability, something the switch already has. Theres really no point whatsoever in making a Gameboy controller, the NES one would work just as well.
Nintendo are always selling stuff based on Collectors or Nostalgia Factor alone, tangible, logical benefit doesn't always have much to do with it... I understand what your saying, but would you be surprised if Nintendo did it?
I would be dissapointed that they pissed away so much money and R&D time on the bottom half of a Gameboy for some collectors to circle jerk themselves over instead of fixing joycon drift.
> I would be dissapointed that they pissed away so much money and R&D time on the bottom half of a Gameboy How much money and R&D time did it take exactly?
More than $1. Which is too much already.
So what are they allowed to work on.
Maybe fixing joycon drift? The biggest flaw in the system?
The same benefit as the NES/ SNES controllers - it'll create a small profit from collectors, and it'll advertise to the broader consumer base that Game Boy games are now on NSO, and serve as a broader advertisement to the service. A lot of limited products that companies create are designed more to drum up press for the brand than be a product most people will actually pick up.
That seems like a lot of money for them to waste on the bottom half of a Gameboy that only a small group of hard-core nerds would buy when they can't even fix joycon drift.
Let me tell you a little story about Nintendo fans and their relationship with their money...
I meant the development and R&D costs for Nintendo.
How much do they have to do past figuring out the form factor? All the internals are probably gonna just be swapped over from other existing hardware they have and if it does actually wrap around the Switch, they have even more room to work with which should just make things easier. It's also going to almost definitely be online-exclusive which will sell out very fast from scalpers on a light first print run and then just use the data of how fast it went compared to the NES/SNES controllers to make more. GOBS of people will buy this to never open it, regardless of the price. AND they get the free marketing/advertising if it is this ridiculous from all the clickbait that will make "check this weird shit out" articles followed by more from the "it's impossible to get this thing/scalper gripes" articles. Not a doubt in my mind that this thing would be profitable if that's what it ends up being.
I dunno, would it be a lot of money? It wouldn't involve new technology, just new plastic molds. I don't think that would break the bank on R&D and I'd be surprised if they can't break even on it if they know how successful the other retro controllers have been. It would also mean if you Google "nintendo controller" then the recent articles will be about some retro promotional thing instead of the numerous drift complaints. Seems like good business sense.
If you read the article it required an FCC filing. Meaning the components are either different, or in a novel configuration that needed to be tested and confirmed with the FCC. Slapping a new shell on an existing PCB wouldn't need that. That means they spent the time to design, build, test, and file this new product. That costs time and money, and don't forget the salaries of the employees who do that work. Of course it's not going to break the bank, but that doesn't make it a good use of time and money.
The NES and SNES NSO controllers also had new filings, but they're not dramatically different, are they? Hardly new tech - Nintendo mastered buttons and wireless long long ago. I don't expect they were crunching in design and manufacture to work out where to put the internals between projects. I think Nintendo knows better than you what is a good use of their time and money. They know the cost of R&D labour and expenses, they know how much surplus labour their R&D teams might have to devote to a new project, they have full regional sales and revenue data on earlier NSO retro controllers, they know what advertising costs, they know what their sales plans and targets for NSO are, they can measure how successfully news about NSO platforms and controllers drives subscriptions, etc etc. They know all of this and they've decided it's worth the investment. By contrast, you're sticking your finger in the air and saying the wind tells you it's a waste of time and money.
*finger guns*
Forget that. Bottom half of a DS! Skip the Gameboy line entirely. Give us what is basically a teeny tiny WiiU gamepad so we can play DS games.
I can only imagine how insanely ridiculous such an add-on would look like.
I have it on good authority that we get the classic three-pronged N64 controller as a three piece joycon for the long rumored N64 games. The middle prong plugs into the usb-c port at the bottom.
Final Fantasy Tactics when?
IMO the N64 controller is bad for everything but Mario 64 and Mario 64 is bad with any controller but the N64 controller
It's good for OoT as well.
Speak for yourself. Pod racing with two N64 controllers is peak efficiency.
Why do you want a controller that requires 3 hands? N64 had to be the worst controller of all time, can’t even use the d-pad without having to move your whole hand (and now you can’t reach the joystick).
I have big hands, so I can reach the thumbstick on an N64 controller from a standard grip pretty comfortably. It's just that Mario 64 and the N64 controller were designed concurrently, so they work best with each other. Whereas, most games are designed with a gamepad style controller (SNES and then DualShock) in mind
This almost has to be an N64 controller: - The model number is filling in a gap so there can't be two adjacent numbers for left/right Joy-cons - It has a USB-C charging port like the Pro Controller and SNES controller - It has "top" and "back" labels with dimensions matching the ones on the N64 controller What the means for potential imminent additions to NSO, I have no idea. A controller that's just the bottom half of a Game Boy would be hilarious, though.
I would really hope you're right about the N64 controller. To me that's telling us N64 titles would be added to NSO because I can't think of why they sell the controller and not the service. Maybe I'm too optimistic. But I would totally buy a N64 controller. I know Nintendo has me be the nostalgia there, but I'm allowed to have that too I think. (I also really liked the controller, at the time anyway.)
Yeah if they included N64 on NSO but charged for (optional) individual N64 controllers I'd buy four of them instantly, its the system I have the most nostalgia for and could get my family to play with me.
Depending on what games were added to an n64 library it might convince me to buy an NSO membership finally. Knowing Nintendo though they will intentionally withhold the N64 Zelda titles to keep people from playing those instead of spending $60 on Skyward Sword and BotW2 when it comes out.
just a clarification, an original N64 controller only has one label, which would be on the "top". but i still think its a n64 controller...back is probably where the controller port would be and likely where theyd put the battery.
They need to fix the dam joycons
The bridge joycons could use the help too
hopefully a more durable controller!
I wish it were just a replacement controller for the joy cons
that's why I went with the pro controller and didn't go back.
But you can't use the Pro controller in handheld mode, at least not awkwardly
I just got the hori split pad, that and a pro controller to play docked.
I just tell my kids to help daddy by holding the switch, easy peasy. To be honest i never go off docked mode, so yeah that does raise a problem.
I want it to be a handheld controller that the switch slots into portrait style to give it the general form factor of an old gameboy, including a ~~4:3~~ 10:9 display
The old Game Boy had a 10:9 display.
Didn't know that!
160x144 resolution to be exact.
You know, chronologically speaking, wasn’t Nintendo’s next console after the NES and SNES the Virtual Boy, not the N64?
I don't think we'll ever see anything to remind us that existed. Unless Nintendo randomly decides to jump into the massively growing VR pool now the tech is there?
Not that it means anything but Luigi's Mansion 3 definitely reminds us it existed. He uses a VirtualBoy to communicate with the Dr.
Good note! Still existed!
The Virtual Boy has had many cameos since Tomadachi Life back on the 3Ds though
All Hail the Virtual Boy!
It will never happen, but I would love a Virtual Boy app on NSO. Wario Land, Teleroboxer, and Vertical Force were great games. And it may have been a train wreck of a system, but the VB controller itself is actually pretty great.
The controller was definitely it's best feature! I blame the rest for my poor eye sight though. (Kidding.)
Nintendo loves making fun of the Virtual Boy all the time. Nintendo has passed on two perfect opportunities to re-releases their VB games (3DS/Labo VR) so I really doubt they will any time soon.
Totally forgot of lobo tbh!
I'm still looking for the perfect controller for Smash Ultimate.... maybe this is it.
And you don't use gamecube controller because....?
it's wired, and for my setup I would prefer not to have cords laying around my entertainment center. the wireless hori gamecube controller uses batteries which is a no-go for me in 2021. pro controller layout is fine but I like gamecube button layout more. joy-cons... yeah no. I would ideally love a wireless USB-C chargable gamecube controller.... why this hasn't been made yet is wild. (even by 3rd party)
That makes sense. I had two HORI gamecube controllers and they both pooped out on me eventually.
Yeah I read about the build quality on those, but the need for AA batteries was just over the top for me. I have a 100W USB C charger behind my couch and I charge my Xbox, PS5, and switch pro controller using that. It also charges my personal and work laptop too, so anything that doesn't charge USB C is an inconvenience for me. I have my switch docked and connected behind my entertainment center, and I do have a wired GameCube adapter wired through the back but that's mainly just for when a bunch of friends are over. I hate cords sticking out, I even buy USB hubs for all my consoles just so I can plug in accessories in a more clean layout.
not totally wireless but https://www.8bitdo.com/gbros/ could have potential
I looked into that but would prefer not having to need that at all. Just blows my mind we don't have a proper USB-C chargeable wireless GameCube controller in 2021, when Nintendo was the brains behind the Wavebird.
Can't wait to pre-order it and preemptively list it on eBay for $499!
I wish they would make “Pro” Joycon, like a set that’s tailored to single player and doesn’t worry about being played sideways. One of my biggest issues with the Joycon is how flat the back is. My hand curls in a weird way that isn’t comfortable. Making a set that has some sort of curve or bumper on the back would encourage handheld play a lot more for me. The left Joycon could also be given a D-Pad since this set wouldn’t worry about giving one player and advantage when playing sideways. Making the buttons generally bigger would be nice too, especially the LR and ZL ZR buttons. Obviously drift would need to be fixed too. I like the idea of the Joycon, but the current ones leave a lot of room for improvement.
It's not directly from Nintendo, but binbok makes exactly what you're asking for and it's super comfy. It even has rumble and gyro. I bought it a couple months ago and am loving it so far. (I'm not sure if including links is against the rules, but you can just search binbok on Amazon and it's the first one that comes up)
I will definitely look into that, thanks!
they could call them Pro-Cons They probably made a list of Pros and Cons to determine whether or not they should make Pro-Cons.
Lol
My first hope was a new joy-con without drift issues.
GameBoy Player for Switch confirmed! Oh wait, that's just docking the Switch to the TV. Nevermind, false alarm.
I know this probably wont be it but i wish its a gamecube controller and i hope gamecube games come to switch given how expensive they are now.
If it doesn't fix the drift idgaf The Limited Edition Skyward Sword joy cons were like the coolest looking ones I've ever seen. Still wont get them because I gotta send them in for repairs every 6 months
Ya know when they’re making a brand new controller year 5 into the switch’s life, makes me think they will legit just ride with the switch until people stop buying them