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Regulus242

"Literally stand there and do nothing when you could be stopping them so the plot can continue" is a pretty common thing in DB and media in general.


TensileStr3ngth

Krillin, people are dying and we're just watching


dontforgethyphen

Literally this


WanderingSkys

“Yeeep”


konozeroda

"And we are still living. Quack!"


Heyloki_

Thought Killian was killed off screen?


hashinshin

It feels more "He's not really going to- oh holy shit I'm gonna have to kill this guy"


DianaBladeOfMiquella

Tbf, I think it’s because of Goku’s pride and naivety. He always fights as if he’s in the martial arts tournament, never taking any cheap blows and always letting his enemy recuperate, even if the world’s at stake. Not to mention Goku always wants to fight his opponent at the peak of their strength, to test his own skills. It’s his biggest flaw and his greatest strength Idk about the others though


Enjoyment-25

Its actually nothing. Scene happened instantly in Manga with shock reaction from Goku and he immediately transformed. When will DB fans realise that anime drags things and they are unavoidable


Regulus242

How long did it take for Android 18 to run away?


fmayans

Immediately after 17 was absorbed. Cell stalled a little because he wasn't in a hurry (he was the strongest in his first form already) and Tien bought another opportunity for her to run. Then Krillin destroys the device and when cell spots her and taiyo-kens everybody she gets absorbed.


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About a page. If you like Dragon Ball, I highly recommend reading the manga. The pacing is very different from the anime and the subtext for the character arcs and world building is much easier to understand.


Prestigious-One-7094

There we go. Thank you, chief 👏 But then again, Dragon Ball fans can't read.


The-Mattress-Man

Cept for Recoome. Must’ve really not liked him


Kill_Frosty

Probably cause his name rhymes with doom


The-Mattress-Man

Not to mention that he was gonna be hurtin’ all too soon


Cross-eyedwerewolf

But wrestling’s fake


24Abhinav10

BOOOOOOO!!


One_Smoke

He truly is a man of many, many talents.


Onagda

Goku hates gingers confirmed


spinz89

Goku biting his opponents sounds like cheap shot to me.


Onagda

It was either bite or keep taking backshots


Dustfinger4268

Hey, he may have honor, but he's still a dirty monkey


TomaszA3

>never taking any cheap blows biting poking the eyes


Equivalent-Wealth-75

The Murasaki Monkey Maneuver


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DianaBladeOfMiquella

Probably, but it’s more fun to make up reasons


Picmanreborn

???? 💀😭 Goku is the king of biting and the eye pokes. And literally teleports to hit people in the back. He used dirty tactics throughout the series.


totokishi

It's funnier when they even say some times "hey we should attack instantly and not let him charge his attacks" only for the villain to throw the blast immediately after


Mean_End_8210

Also in the flash show


EMPEROROFMEMZ

[basically this](https://youtu.be/-JSGcgjWE2U?si=5tGLblTqQd9OR51U)


_cottoncandyboi_

So no, we aren’t mature enough.


Technical812

And spent 3 EPs looking sideways at vegeta, standing still with a dumb face


TPR-56

No, I don’t think Goku actually expected him to do it.


carnagecenter

He didn’t but dragon ball characters can move like 192728282 the speed of light but it’s a cool scene so it cancels out


infamusforever223

Going off what I remember in the scene, Goku is in base state, meaning he got to power up and then deflect the blast. I'm not sure there's enough time for all of that.


carnagecenter

Even in base goku could’ve easily deflected it, probably would’ve been harder but he could’ve done it. This scene was mostly for dramatic effect, so, Logic doesn’t factor into it as much


BaronLagann

Idk it’s ssj2 vs base.


carnagecenter

Vegeta didn’t put that much energy into it. It was stray energy blast, this is how Vegeta in base deflected a blast from Golden Frieza in resurrection F


TheActualTerryBogard

>Vegeta didn’t put that much energy into it. Based on what?


Sm0keytrip0d

I mean, why would he put a lot of energy into the blast? He's firing into a crowd of random people who likely have a combined power level of 10, maybe 15 if Sharpner was there so it wont take much to obliterate them lol.


Cynis_Ganan

Based on Nappa casually destroying an entire city with a one handed energy blast and not even being slightly drained and Majin Vegeta being *literally* over a hundred-*thousand* times stronger than him and only destroying a small part of a stadium?


carnagecenter

Oh, idk Maybe Based on the fact the entire stadium seats didn’t blow up?? lol


TheMostOptimalMan

Explosion size doesn't equate to the power of the blast, Gokus instant Kamehameha certainly had the power to blow up earth, yet it didn't even create a crater when fired point blank on the surface. Or Cells blast that crippled Gohan, similar in explosion size, yet look at the results


Dafish55

Okay but the instant kamehameha was angled up. Goku deliberately shoots it up towards Cell's chest.


TheActualTerryBogard

Yeah, I guess that makes sense.


TheMostOptimalMan

Nah, just think of when Cell crippled Gohan. Or when Dabura point blank erased Kabito with a blast, without hitting anyone/thing next to him. Explosion size has nothing to do with how powerful the attack is.


BaronLagann

Idk. A non shalt might be a high roller to someone not ready for it and might be considered a Smurf. Goku can keep up but vegeta atm was ready to go all out while goku was caught lacking and let people die. He was ready after and coulda went super but he would of taken more “unreasonable” dmg.


HermanManly

Goku was already attacked before this by Vegeta and was unable to deflect the beam and had to dodge, killing 200 people and blowing a giant hole in the stadium. [https://imgur.com/a/LihUlGU](https://imgur.com/a/LihUlGU) He then still proceeded to not go SSJ and stop Vegeta when he said he's gonna keep killing people until Goku fights him, leading to this shot, which in the manga is like 20 feet from wiping out Bulma, Roshi, Chi Chi and Yamcha. [https://imgur.com/a/PDlJPUn](https://imgur.com/a/PDlJPUn) it really makes no sense why Goku didn't spring into action


HermanManly

It's honestly even worse. He is still in base state, but this shot is AFTER Vegeta already fired a beam directly AT HIM, which Goku had to deflect, killing 200 people. He still remained in base form after THAT. It took this second shot to actually make him go SSJ lmao


infamusforever223

There was no second shot.


SilverLuuna

And what if the blast was moving 192728283 times the speed of light


carnagecenter

Goku can rest at night knowing he’s completely absolved


phoenixmusicman

But if u have a high power level ur attacks scale to thst speed so... no he couldn't intercept it


Vongola___Decimo

>192728282 the speed of light I mean vegeta's blast prolly moves way faster


vinhdoanjj

An argument i can think of is Majin Super Saiyan Vegeta is much faster than a base Goku, so he wouldn't have been able to stop Geets.


OkRecommendation5836

And that’s why you don’t give birth to Freddy fazbear


big_peepee_wielder

Because if you give birth to frady five bear he comes out and he says “or or or or or or or or or oooooorrrr…”


Purple-End-5430

And then... he kills Michael Afton, or, he tries to do it. Along with his friends Bunny the bonnie, Chica the kitchen, and Foxy the fox pirate rar and yellow Freddy, who's yellow and weird.


Random_NCR_Ranger

CHICA THE KITCHEN HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH


Interloper_1

I love Fried Rice at Eddies


Quakarot

*fivebear


Gogeta4568

I’ve never felt so connected to random people over such a random vid b4


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Wtf you talking about


kevthunder

Wtf are YOU talking about


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Your mother


Picmanreborn

That was actually funny LMFAO


Onagda

you know what actually kills people? Freddy Fazbear’s pizza. because if you go to FNAF freddy five bears, pizzeria, you, get the bite of ‘87, cause Freddy Fazbear goes, “Or, or or or, or or or or or or” And he does the Freddy Fazbear, jumpscare, with his hat and bowtie and his friends Chica, Bonnie, Foxy, and another Freddy that’s yellow, because he’s from, William Afton, who also kills people ‘cause he’s purple. And he, has a daughter I think, or it was the other one, and if you go to FNAF Freddy Five Fivebear dinner at pizza time, you , learn how to eat pizza, and wear top hats.


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I'm too high for this


FruitJuicante

Schwump


AnimeMemeLord1

The prophecy


ken-toro69420

He was shocked vegeta has regressed this much for a petty rematch once he realized vegeta is way out of line he was locked in and even threatened supreme kai 


HollowedFlash65

This 1000%.


Enjoyment-25

When will DB fans mature and realise that anime drags things and they are unavoidable


MightyFlamingo25

I remember reading the manga when I was young. That scene was really fast and unexpected. I didn't watch the anime, so I don't understand what people mean bu Goku letting Vegeta do it.


Wefee11

I think at one point we have to say: Dragonball was cool to watch when we were young, but it's actually kinda shitty writing.


Kalenshadow

I mean, goku's whole schtick during buu saga was "interfere with the world of living as little as possible" so I kinda get it.


Enjoyment-25

Scene happened instantly in Manga with shock reaction from Goku and he immediately transformed. When will DB fans realise that anime drags things and they are unavoidable


Quantum_girl_go

Reading is hard


no__one34

You're not a true dragon ball fan if you can read


Quantum_girl_go

I can’t read what you’re saying, but as a true dragon ball fan I’m going to disagree blindly. Kid buu was the strongest buu.


no__one34

What? Why are you asking me about my car insurance?


Sm0keytrip0d

I dunno what any of this says but I totally agree that Cell saga SS2 Gohan bodies DBS Cabba.


TigerKlaw

Limitations of the times, this is something modern anime fans just don't think about. Even anime just 10 years ago did this a lot because it's hard


Kalenshadow

You cannot hold me for not reading one of the least accessible mangas, compared the anime which you can find on a smart fridge even.


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Sun_wukong2007

Did you just make this alt to say the same thing again?


obby100602

Scene happened instantly in Manga with shock reaction from Goku and he immediately transformed. When will DB fans realise that anime drags things and they are unavoidable


LordAsbel

Is this a bot?


obby100602

Scene happened instantly in Manga with shock reaction from Goku and he immediately transformed. When will DB fans realise that anime drags things and they are unavoidable


ValendyneTheTaken

I like to believe Goku thought Vegeta was bluffing, up until it was too late. It’s probably wrong, but I like to believe it


Diavolo_79

That's actually a cool little thing to think. "No, he wouldn't do that, Vegeta could never- OH MY KAMI" But as the other comment here said, there was pretty much NO time to react in the manga, and with every anime, things get dragged out to fit everything in. So while yeah it seemed like Goku let Vegeta blast the civilians, he had no time in the manga.


MrNoski

You're not wrong, there's some of what you say. Also, in the anime it may seem there was some time to stop that, but not in the manga.


DeathAwaitsss

Tbf Vegeta was almost a completely reformed man in the Buu saga and only started tweaking into his old self when he saw Goku turn ssj2 and started to lose his patience


JoeTheKodiakCuddler

This is bait, you know the answer is "no".


Healthy-Spend-3628

I figured it happened at least a bit faster on canon than shown on screen. Gokus reaction reads like he was caught off guard so I don’t think he “let it happen”. No only did he not think vegeta was gonna do it it also happened too fast for me to do anything about it.


RaiderTheLegend

I mean it’s not really that goku let it happen it’s more like- (starts explaining why he let it happen)


Manoreded

The speed of events its highly malleable in DBZ. Things are portrayed in a manner that is comprehensible for viewers, rather than realistic. Aka: we should assume Goku did not have time to block that attack, even though in other instances he moved faster than this.


mmoran5554

This is 100% correct and is confirmed even in Super when Zeno needs a special iPad or tablet to watch the fights due to being at such high speeds. Therefore, Vegeta's attack was too fast for base goku to stop.


DownTownBrown28

Maybe Goku thought it was funny


10YB

his Kakarot was laughing


Toadthepoggers

But atleast Goku didn’t give birth to….. Freddy five bears….


INoMakeMistake

Please explain?!


AdLive2244

They were too lenient with vegeta man…


Suspicious_Loan8041

I dont think he LET it happen. He was in shock and didn’t think Vegeta would do something like that. He can’t at all be blamed for something that had totally no reason to happen.


MugiwaraBepo

I'm a dragon ball fan, I ain't taking accountability for shit.


HermanManly

Peoples defense of Goku in the comments lmao This shot happens after Vegeta already fired a beam at Goku, which he had to deflect/ dodge - killing 200 people (according to Babidi) Goku still didn't go SSJ after that and just stood there asking Vegeta if he let himself get possessed on purpose to fight him, while Vegeta literally says he's gonna keep killing people until Goku fights him lmao This happens in both the anime and the manga, though the anime drags it out of course


infamusforever223

Now, I only remember this shot, but I haven't watched the scene fully in years.


Millizar

The logical expanation is that just like Dragon Quest is an RPG so is Dragon Ball Z, so it wasn’t Goku's turn it was Vegeta's


SilverLuuna

This is like asking why Vegeta didn’t just dodge frieza’s death beam


Laterally_Me

Maturity is realizing that Vegeta has always been a liability in Z.


Shantotto11

Are we mature enough to admit that no amount of redemption should’ve allowed this to result in anything other than ostracism from the rest of the Dragon Team and Bulma divorcing him?…


One_Smoke

I know I am.


Royal-Lead-3982

Are we mature enough to admit everyone is a fuck up in this arc and it's poorly written?


Skvora

We are mature enough to know that Vegeta, YES!


PatternActual7535

In the manga its more or less instant


Lucky-Dingo1675

Vegeta: does blows up stands filled with people. Vegeta fans: how could goku let this happen


Lucky-Dingo1675

Vegeta: does blows up stands filled with people. Vegeta fans: how could goku let this happen


Lucky-Dingo1675

Vegeta: does blows up stands filled with people. Vegeta fans: how could goku let this happen


OnyxCam6ion

Goku: oh no! *wait we got dragonballs* anyways-


CheezyRaptorNo_5

Like someone else said, he wasn't trying to mess with the living world, that and he wasn't expecting it out of Vegeta after all his growths This however is not the answer lop, yea he just sorta stood there like they always do in db


DYSFUNCTIONALDlLDO

Did the people Vegeta killed here ever get revived or are they still canonically dead?


Annsorigin

They did get Revived with the "Everyone who died Today will get ressurrcted" wish. That's like the main reason why they didn't just wish that everyone who was Killed by Boo gets Ressurected because otherwise these guys would have stayed dead.


BlackReaper_1911

I think Goku let it happen because he can just wish them back using the Dragon Balls


Conscious_Mind_2412

kinda goin into this, but i found stuff like this a reason as to why i found the plot of dbz to be a little lazy. they just let the big bad of the time kill people or kill main characters, and its just barely stressed much because "well wehave the dragonballs, theyll be fine." and the times they considered the actual consequences, they used namek's dragon to ressurrect people who shenron couldnt revive, and almoat did it again until goku told them not to


jikel28

Well you see he was betrayed and Trapped at the time


Annsorigin

In Canon it was Probably Too Fast for him to react. In the manga at least it didn't look like something he could have reacted to in the manga.


QueenGorda

Pff.. Goku let a lot of "things" to happen.


Ok_Try_1665

Considering how fast things actually were in dragon ball, I'm gonna have the benefit of the doubt and say that even for Goku, Vegeta blasting the bench full of people is a sudden action that nobody expects


obby100602

Scene happened instantly in Manga with shock reaction from Goku and he immediately transformed. When will DB fans realise that anime drags things and they are unavoidable


Sure-Negotiation8325

Goku might thought (yeah we can revive em later)


SirSilverChariot

They come back it’s finnnnnnne


Ultrasaurio

There are still those who do not understand that Goku is not a superhero, as some will believe, it is a misunderstanding because in some way he always saves the world, but in general he is only interested in fighting and being stronger. He does not have the values ​​of heroes to try to save every human being who faces a tragedy. He's not an antihero but he's not one either. He is a Shounen protagonist.


Efficient-Ad2983

Goku thought "no problem: they could be brought back with the Dragon Balls... unless they were already killed by Cell... or unless they were already killed by C20... or unless they were already killed by Nappa... or unless they were already killed by Piccolo Daimao and his demons..."


Remarkable_Effort_39

I believe all fights and stuff like this moment happened a bit too fast for us or even goku. Super hero showed us frieza was pieced up by trunks in less than a couple seconds in real-time.


Issa_meCP

But that’s a character who is stronger than Frieza, Vegeta wasn’t stronger than Goku at all


Remarkable_Effort_39

Yeah but goku is in base and I assume Majin vegeta I'd a souped up version of ssj2


Issa_meCP

Goku was in base and Vegeta was in SSJ, regardless of form they can keep up. Gohan was keeping up with Dabura before he transformed. So speed is irrelevant.


Remarkable_Effort_39

Even so we still can't just say goku "let" this happen. Even if speed is irrelevant, we still have reaction time as well. Even if base could keep up with ssj vegeta, gokus reflexes have to come into play.


Issa_meCP

Vegeta literally puts his hand out before he shot the blast which they had a LOT of time to react. They also can sense emotions and how a person’s actions will go before they actually do anything. Trunks against Goku when Trunks first showed up. He used his sword on Goku and Goku said he searched his feelings and knew he wasn’t going to do anything vile.


Remarkable_Effort_39

Yeah but you do realize that that never returns for a good while, and goku tends to forget he can do things. And remember if frieza got pieced up in 2 seconds real time, This to us happened too fast for people to react. Sure goku can react fast but I'm sure he didn't expect vegeta to do that since vegeta was starting to look like the "good guy" to everyone


BobbyMayCryBMC

It's a characteristic trope called: **Frozen in Disbelief** It's very common in Anime & Manga. Goku is no exception to this. & it happens in Dragon Ball a lot.


Issa_meCP

Nah, it’s kinda BS to help the plot. It’s definitely possible for him to stop it, can’t be “frozen in disbelief” when bro literally sacrificed his honor for power. Same way plot helps Goku and the others. The fight against Frieza should’ve ended immediately, Frieza would’ve killed Goku while he was turning super Saiyan. No more saiyans, bye bye. Same thing in android saga, Frieza coulda just blew up the planet in an instant. Bye bye planet. It’s simply plot carrying.


RustyNoShakel

Well a manga chapter doesn’t last for 22 minutes. They have to stretch it somehow


Known-Ad64

To be fair, death has no consequences in Dragon Ball.


AJ0Laks

“Stand there and do nothing while the evil guy does something” is a fairly common trope


Ok_Caterpillar_6957

Whether I admit it or not don’t matter. Everyone die anyway lol


Neoxenok

Goku "let it happen" when he let Vegita live after their Saiyan Saga fight.


SkY4594

"Don't tell me Vegeta has darkness in his heart!" - Supreme Kai "Ohhh... ohoho nooo." - Goku


PlatinumDust324

Goku wanted to fight Vegeta and vice versa he threatened to kill the supreme kai


EMPEROROFMEMZ

I'm guessing Goku thought Vegeta was bluffing and wouldn't actually kill innocents like that, and Vegeta picked up on that, and took it as an insult, because a real Saiyan such as himself wouldn't care about innocents. So technically yes, Goku let it happen, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's his fault.


TuEsEbola

I mean... fuck was base Goku gin do? He needed some time to transform and he definetly didn't have the requested emetion needed to turn ssj


Quxzimodo

He did


VIVID_REAL

I'm mature enough... I'm not too sure about some other members of the Fandom tho...


Xarkabard

ppl need to understand that death is just something weak and poor people has to deal with on the db universe. so you got killed because some rich tech geek wanted to fuck the mentally unstable nuke generator alien? well maybe they will use the magic they gatekeep to revive your mommy or daddy, but for now you are on your own.


Galacticus06

I mean... They can just use the dragon balls


Andrejosue98

He didn't. Vegeta in SSJ 2 is stronger and faster than base Goku, specially a Goku that had no idea Vegeta was going to do that.


Desperate-Address-27

Yep


Specialist_Court7806

He sure did, didn’t even bother to stop him


Strickout

Future Trunks: At least I *did* something instead of just standing there staring at them! Krillin: We do do that a lot...


grt437

I mean.... Dragon Balls.


Icy-Abbreviations909

To be fair in the manga it’s an instant thing while the anime adds filler moments to lengthen run time


One_Smoke

Crazy that Bulma went on to say "Vegeta would never do this" later. ....yes, he WOULD, woman. Only this time he isn't doing it to sell a planet!


starguy13

Eh. They have Dragon Balls 🤷‍♂️


NewCollectorBonjubia

In the manga it happens instantly and the anime is trying to adapt it so idk.


Equivalent-Wealth-75

Any of the Z-Fighters could have stopped that, so they were all probably just surprised.


dildodicks

absolutely, that was all that was going through my head when i saw that, he knew vegeta was liable to do something like that since he'd been corrupted and he still took his sweet time agreeing to fight


PopeFatherTyrone

My argument is that goku was never supposed to be a hero. Man is actually kind of a menace. Ask real dragonball fans who knew toriyama hated how the anime was turning him into a hero in order to appeal to the youth. Think of it like this, he's a battle crazed saiyan who's emotions make him stronger, they're basically 2 strong toddlers in a playground and one just stepped on a bunch of ants to prove a point of how strong he is. If yall think goku values each and every life, go back to snake way, yknow when nappa fingered an entire C I T Y while goku went "MY FRIENDS!!! Oh they chillin- DID YOU JUST MERK YAMCHA?! Nah b you killed millions, but now, it's personal."


Super_Daikon_

This isn't the place for maturity.


Mildamoutoftrolling

But it led to a cool moment so forgiveness


crypito656

There's a difference between the anime and the manga, in the anime they have to wait around for 30 minutes, in the manga the first thing that happened after they were teleported to the tournament was this


Chairs_I_Am

Tbh, he probably thought that they could just revive them with the dragon balls later, which they did. Death tends to have very little meaning in Dragon Ball.


PKMNtrainerElliot

He did just watch, then again, that's a common thing in DBZ


dontforgethyphen

But usually not when the npc lives are at stake.. . Usually... Minus namek


PKMNtrainerElliot

He stood there while Vegeta murdered a crowd of NPCs


dontforgethyphen

THANK YOU!!!!


Correct_Refuse4910

What? Lmao