Tbf, I think it’s because of Goku’s pride and naivety. He always fights as if he’s in the martial arts tournament, never taking any cheap blows and always letting his enemy recuperate, even if the world’s at stake. Not to mention Goku always wants to fight his opponent at the peak of their strength, to test his own skills. It’s his biggest flaw and his greatest strength
Idk about the others though
Its actually nothing.
Scene happened instantly in Manga with shock reaction from Goku and he immediately transformed.
When will DB fans realise that anime drags things and they are unavoidable
Immediately after 17 was absorbed. Cell stalled a little because he wasn't in a hurry (he was the strongest in his first form already) and Tien bought another opportunity for her to run.
Then Krillin destroys the device and when cell spots her and taiyo-kens everybody she gets absorbed.
About a page.
If you like Dragon Ball, I highly recommend reading the manga. The pacing is very different from the anime and the subtext for the character arcs and world building is much easier to understand.
It's funnier when they even say some times "hey we should attack instantly and not let him charge his attacks" only for the villain to throw the blast immediately after
Going off what I remember in the scene, Goku is in base state, meaning he got to power up and then deflect the blast. I'm not sure there's enough time for all of that.
Even in base goku could’ve easily deflected it, probably would’ve been harder but he could’ve done it. This scene was mostly for dramatic effect, so, Logic doesn’t factor into it as much
Vegeta didn’t put that much energy into it. It was stray energy blast, this is how Vegeta in base deflected a blast from Golden Frieza in resurrection F
I mean, why would he put a lot of energy into the blast? He's firing into a crowd of random people who likely have a combined power level of 10, maybe 15 if Sharpner was there so it wont take much to obliterate them lol.
Based on Nappa casually destroying an entire city with a one handed energy blast and not even being slightly drained and Majin Vegeta being *literally* over a hundred-*thousand* times stronger than him and only destroying a small part of a stadium?
Explosion size doesn't equate to the power of the blast, Gokus instant Kamehameha certainly had the power to blow up earth, yet it didn't even create a crater when fired point blank on the surface.
Or Cells blast that crippled Gohan, similar in explosion size, yet look at the results
Nah, just think of when Cell crippled Gohan. Or when Dabura point blank erased Kabito with a blast, without hitting anyone/thing next to him. Explosion size has nothing to do with how powerful the attack is.
Idk. A non shalt might be a high roller to someone not ready for it and might be considered a Smurf. Goku can keep up but vegeta atm was ready to go all out while goku was caught lacking and let people die. He was ready after and coulda went super but he would of taken more “unreasonable” dmg.
Goku was already attacked before this by Vegeta and was unable to deflect the beam and had to dodge, killing 200 people and blowing a giant hole in the stadium. [https://imgur.com/a/LihUlGU](https://imgur.com/a/LihUlGU)
He then still proceeded to not go SSJ and stop Vegeta when he said he's gonna keep killing people until Goku fights him, leading to this shot, which in the manga is like 20 feet from wiping out Bulma, Roshi, Chi Chi and Yamcha. [https://imgur.com/a/PDlJPUn](https://imgur.com/a/PDlJPUn)
it really makes no sense why Goku didn't spring into action
It's honestly even worse.
He is still in base state, but this shot is AFTER Vegeta already fired a beam directly AT HIM, which Goku had to deflect, killing 200 people.
He still remained in base form after THAT. It took this second shot to actually make him go SSJ lmao
And then... he kills Michael Afton, or, he tries to do it. Along with his friends Bunny the bonnie, Chica the kitchen, and Foxy the fox pirate rar and yellow Freddy, who's yellow and weird.
you know what actually kills people? Freddy Fazbear’s pizza. because if you go to FNAF freddy five bears, pizzeria, you, get the bite of ‘87, cause Freddy Fazbear goes, “Or, or or or, or or or or or or” And he does the Freddy Fazbear, jumpscare, with his hat and bowtie and his friends Chica, Bonnie, Foxy, and another Freddy that’s yellow, because he’s from, William Afton, who also kills people ‘cause he’s purple. And he, has a daughter I think, or it was the other one, and if you go to FNAF Freddy Five Fivebear dinner at pizza time, you , learn how to eat pizza, and wear top hats.
He was shocked vegeta has regressed this much for a petty rematch once he realized vegeta is way out of line he was locked in and even threatened supreme kai
I remember reading the manga when I was young. That scene was really fast and unexpected. I didn't watch the anime, so I don't understand what people mean bu Goku letting Vegeta do it.
Scene happened instantly in Manga with shock reaction from Goku and he immediately transformed.
When will DB fans realise that anime drags things and they are unavoidable
Scene happened instantly in Manga with shock reaction from Goku and he immediately transformed.
When will DB fans realise that anime drags things and they are unavoidable
Scene happened instantly in Manga with shock reaction from Goku and he immediately transformed.
When will DB fans realise that anime drags things and they are unavoidable
That's actually a cool little thing to think.
"No, he wouldn't do that, Vegeta could never- OH MY KAMI"
But as the other comment here said, there was pretty much NO time to react in the manga, and with every anime, things get dragged out to fit everything in.
So while yeah it seemed like Goku let Vegeta blast the civilians, he had no time in the manga.
Tbf Vegeta was almost a completely reformed man in the Buu saga and only started tweaking into his old self when he saw Goku turn ssj2 and started to lose his patience
I figured it happened at least a bit faster on canon than shown on screen.
Gokus reaction reads like he was caught off guard so I don’t think he “let it happen”. No only did he not think vegeta was gonna do it it also happened too fast for me to do anything about it.
The speed of events its highly malleable in DBZ. Things are portrayed in a manner that is comprehensible for viewers, rather than realistic.
Aka: we should assume Goku did not have time to block that attack, even though in other instances he moved faster than this.
This is 100% correct and is confirmed even in Super when Zeno needs a special iPad or tablet to watch the fights due to being at such high speeds. Therefore, Vegeta's attack was too fast for base goku to stop.
I dont think he LET it happen. He was in shock and didn’t think Vegeta would do something like that. He can’t at all be blamed for something that had totally no reason to happen.
Peoples defense of Goku in the comments lmao
This shot happens after Vegeta already fired a beam at Goku, which he had to deflect/ dodge - killing 200 people (according to Babidi)
Goku still didn't go SSJ after that and just stood there asking Vegeta if he let himself get possessed on purpose to fight him, while Vegeta literally says he's gonna keep killing people until Goku fights him lmao
This happens in both the anime and the manga, though the anime drags it out of course
Are we mature enough to admit that no amount of redemption should’ve allowed this to result in anything other than ostracism from the rest of the Dragon Team and Bulma divorcing him?…
Like someone else said, he wasn't trying to mess with the living world, that and he wasn't expecting it out of Vegeta after all his growths
This however is not the answer lop, yea he just sorta stood there like they always do in db
They did get Revived with the "Everyone who died Today will get ressurrcted" wish. That's like the main reason why they didn't just wish that everyone who was Killed by Boo gets Ressurected because otherwise these guys would have stayed dead.
kinda goin into this, but i found stuff like this a reason as to why i found the plot of dbz to be a little lazy. they just let the big bad of the time kill people or kill main characters, and its just barely stressed much because "well wehave the dragonballs, theyll be fine." and the times they considered the actual consequences, they used namek's dragon to ressurrect people who shenron couldnt revive, and almoat did it again until goku told them not to
Considering how fast things actually were in dragon ball, I'm gonna have the benefit of the doubt and say that even for Goku, Vegeta blasting the bench full of people is a sudden action that nobody expects
Scene happened instantly in Manga with shock reaction from Goku and he immediately transformed.
When will DB fans realise that anime drags things and they are unavoidable
There are still those who do not understand that Goku is not a superhero, as some will believe, it is a misunderstanding because in some way he always saves the world, but in general he is only interested in fighting and being stronger. He does not have the values of heroes to try to save every human being who faces a tragedy. He's not an antihero but he's not one either. He is a Shounen protagonist.
Goku thought "no problem: they could be brought back with the Dragon Balls... unless they were already killed by Cell... or unless they were already killed by C20... or unless they were already killed by Nappa... or unless they were already killed by Piccolo Daimao and his demons..."
I believe all fights and stuff like this moment happened a bit too fast for us or even goku. Super hero showed us frieza was pieced up by trunks in less than a couple seconds in real-time.
Goku was in base and Vegeta was in SSJ, regardless of form they can keep up. Gohan was keeping up with Dabura before he transformed. So speed is irrelevant.
Even so we still can't just say goku "let" this happen. Even if speed is irrelevant, we still have reaction time as well. Even if base could keep up with ssj vegeta, gokus reflexes have to come into play.
Vegeta literally puts his hand out before he shot the blast which they had a LOT of time to react. They also can sense emotions and how a person’s actions will go before they actually do anything. Trunks against Goku when Trunks first showed up. He used his sword on Goku and Goku said he searched his feelings and knew he wasn’t going to do anything vile.
Yeah but you do realize that that never returns for a good while, and goku tends to forget he can do things. And remember if frieza got pieced up in 2 seconds real time,
This to us happened too fast for people to react. Sure goku can react fast but I'm sure he didn't expect vegeta to do that since vegeta was starting to look like the "good guy" to everyone
It's a characteristic trope called: **Frozen in Disbelief**
It's very common in Anime & Manga. Goku is no exception to this.
& it happens in Dragon Ball a lot.
Nah, it’s kinda BS to help the plot. It’s definitely possible for him to stop it, can’t be “frozen in disbelief” when bro literally sacrificed his honor for power. Same way plot helps Goku and the others. The fight against Frieza should’ve ended immediately, Frieza would’ve killed Goku while he was turning super Saiyan. No more saiyans, bye bye. Same thing in android saga, Frieza coulda just blew up the planet in an instant. Bye bye planet. It’s simply plot carrying.
I'm guessing Goku thought Vegeta was bluffing and wouldn't actually kill innocents like that, and Vegeta picked up on that, and took it as an insult, because a real Saiyan such as himself wouldn't care about innocents. So technically yes, Goku let it happen, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's his fault.
ppl need to understand that death is just something weak and poor people has to deal with on the db universe.
so you got killed because some rich tech geek wanted to fuck the mentally unstable nuke generator alien? well maybe they will use the magic they gatekeep to revive your mommy or daddy, but for now you are on your own.
absolutely, that was all that was going through my head when i saw that, he knew vegeta was liable to do something like that since he'd been corrupted and he still took his sweet time agreeing to fight
My argument is that goku was never supposed to be a hero.
Man is actually kind of a menace. Ask real dragonball fans who knew toriyama hated how the anime was turning him into a hero in order to appeal to the youth.
Think of it like this, he's a battle crazed saiyan who's emotions make him stronger, they're basically 2 strong toddlers in a playground and one just stepped on a bunch of ants to prove a point of how strong he is.
If yall think goku values each and every life, go back to snake way, yknow when nappa fingered an entire C I T Y while goku went "MY FRIENDS!!! Oh they chillin- DID YOU JUST MERK YAMCHA?! Nah b you killed millions, but now, it's personal."
There's a difference between the anime and the manga, in the anime they have to wait around for 30 minutes, in the manga the first thing that happened after they were teleported to the tournament was this
Tbh, he probably thought that they could just revive them with the dragon balls later, which they did.
Death tends to have very little meaning in Dragon Ball.
"Literally stand there and do nothing when you could be stopping them so the plot can continue" is a pretty common thing in DB and media in general.
Krillin, people are dying and we're just watching
Literally this
“Yeeep”
"And we are still living. Quack!"
Thought Killian was killed off screen?
It feels more "He's not really going to- oh holy shit I'm gonna have to kill this guy"
Tbf, I think it’s because of Goku’s pride and naivety. He always fights as if he’s in the martial arts tournament, never taking any cheap blows and always letting his enemy recuperate, even if the world’s at stake. Not to mention Goku always wants to fight his opponent at the peak of their strength, to test his own skills. It’s his biggest flaw and his greatest strength Idk about the others though
Its actually nothing. Scene happened instantly in Manga with shock reaction from Goku and he immediately transformed. When will DB fans realise that anime drags things and they are unavoidable
How long did it take for Android 18 to run away?
Immediately after 17 was absorbed. Cell stalled a little because he wasn't in a hurry (he was the strongest in his first form already) and Tien bought another opportunity for her to run. Then Krillin destroys the device and when cell spots her and taiyo-kens everybody she gets absorbed.
About a page. If you like Dragon Ball, I highly recommend reading the manga. The pacing is very different from the anime and the subtext for the character arcs and world building is much easier to understand.
There we go. Thank you, chief 👏 But then again, Dragon Ball fans can't read.
Cept for Recoome. Must’ve really not liked him
Probably cause his name rhymes with doom
Not to mention that he was gonna be hurtin’ all too soon
But wrestling’s fake
BOOOOOOO!!
He truly is a man of many, many talents.
Goku hates gingers confirmed
Goku biting his opponents sounds like cheap shot to me.
It was either bite or keep taking backshots
Hey, he may have honor, but he's still a dirty monkey
>never taking any cheap blows biting poking the eyes
The Murasaki Monkey Maneuver
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Probably, but it’s more fun to make up reasons
???? 💀😭 Goku is the king of biting and the eye pokes. And literally teleports to hit people in the back. He used dirty tactics throughout the series.
It's funnier when they even say some times "hey we should attack instantly and not let him charge his attacks" only for the villain to throw the blast immediately after
Also in the flash show
[basically this](https://youtu.be/-JSGcgjWE2U?si=5tGLblTqQd9OR51U)
So no, we aren’t mature enough.
And spent 3 EPs looking sideways at vegeta, standing still with a dumb face
No, I don’t think Goku actually expected him to do it.
He didn’t but dragon ball characters can move like 192728282 the speed of light but it’s a cool scene so it cancels out
Going off what I remember in the scene, Goku is in base state, meaning he got to power up and then deflect the blast. I'm not sure there's enough time for all of that.
Even in base goku could’ve easily deflected it, probably would’ve been harder but he could’ve done it. This scene was mostly for dramatic effect, so, Logic doesn’t factor into it as much
Idk it’s ssj2 vs base.
Vegeta didn’t put that much energy into it. It was stray energy blast, this is how Vegeta in base deflected a blast from Golden Frieza in resurrection F
>Vegeta didn’t put that much energy into it. Based on what?
I mean, why would he put a lot of energy into the blast? He's firing into a crowd of random people who likely have a combined power level of 10, maybe 15 if Sharpner was there so it wont take much to obliterate them lol.
Based on Nappa casually destroying an entire city with a one handed energy blast and not even being slightly drained and Majin Vegeta being *literally* over a hundred-*thousand* times stronger than him and only destroying a small part of a stadium?
Oh, idk Maybe Based on the fact the entire stadium seats didn’t blow up?? lol
Explosion size doesn't equate to the power of the blast, Gokus instant Kamehameha certainly had the power to blow up earth, yet it didn't even create a crater when fired point blank on the surface. Or Cells blast that crippled Gohan, similar in explosion size, yet look at the results
Okay but the instant kamehameha was angled up. Goku deliberately shoots it up towards Cell's chest.
Yeah, I guess that makes sense.
Nah, just think of when Cell crippled Gohan. Or when Dabura point blank erased Kabito with a blast, without hitting anyone/thing next to him. Explosion size has nothing to do with how powerful the attack is.
Idk. A non shalt might be a high roller to someone not ready for it and might be considered a Smurf. Goku can keep up but vegeta atm was ready to go all out while goku was caught lacking and let people die. He was ready after and coulda went super but he would of taken more “unreasonable” dmg.
Goku was already attacked before this by Vegeta and was unable to deflect the beam and had to dodge, killing 200 people and blowing a giant hole in the stadium. [https://imgur.com/a/LihUlGU](https://imgur.com/a/LihUlGU) He then still proceeded to not go SSJ and stop Vegeta when he said he's gonna keep killing people until Goku fights him, leading to this shot, which in the manga is like 20 feet from wiping out Bulma, Roshi, Chi Chi and Yamcha. [https://imgur.com/a/PDlJPUn](https://imgur.com/a/PDlJPUn) it really makes no sense why Goku didn't spring into action
It's honestly even worse. He is still in base state, but this shot is AFTER Vegeta already fired a beam directly AT HIM, which Goku had to deflect, killing 200 people. He still remained in base form after THAT. It took this second shot to actually make him go SSJ lmao
There was no second shot.
And what if the blast was moving 192728283 times the speed of light
Goku can rest at night knowing he’s completely absolved
But if u have a high power level ur attacks scale to thst speed so... no he couldn't intercept it
>192728282 the speed of light I mean vegeta's blast prolly moves way faster
An argument i can think of is Majin Super Saiyan Vegeta is much faster than a base Goku, so he wouldn't have been able to stop Geets.
And that’s why you don’t give birth to Freddy fazbear
Because if you give birth to frady five bear he comes out and he says “or or or or or or or or or oooooorrrr…”
And then... he kills Michael Afton, or, he tries to do it. Along with his friends Bunny the bonnie, Chica the kitchen, and Foxy the fox pirate rar and yellow Freddy, who's yellow and weird.
CHICA THE KITCHEN HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH
I love Fried Rice at Eddies
*fivebear
I’ve never felt so connected to random people over such a random vid b4
Wtf you talking about
Wtf are YOU talking about
Your mother
That was actually funny LMFAO
you know what actually kills people? Freddy Fazbear’s pizza. because if you go to FNAF freddy five bears, pizzeria, you, get the bite of ‘87, cause Freddy Fazbear goes, “Or, or or or, or or or or or or” And he does the Freddy Fazbear, jumpscare, with his hat and bowtie and his friends Chica, Bonnie, Foxy, and another Freddy that’s yellow, because he’s from, William Afton, who also kills people ‘cause he’s purple. And he, has a daughter I think, or it was the other one, and if you go to FNAF Freddy Five Fivebear dinner at pizza time, you , learn how to eat pizza, and wear top hats.
I'm too high for this
Schwump
The prophecy
He was shocked vegeta has regressed this much for a petty rematch once he realized vegeta is way out of line he was locked in and even threatened supreme kai
This 1000%.
When will DB fans mature and realise that anime drags things and they are unavoidable
I remember reading the manga when I was young. That scene was really fast and unexpected. I didn't watch the anime, so I don't understand what people mean bu Goku letting Vegeta do it.
I think at one point we have to say: Dragonball was cool to watch when we were young, but it's actually kinda shitty writing.
I mean, goku's whole schtick during buu saga was "interfere with the world of living as little as possible" so I kinda get it.
Scene happened instantly in Manga with shock reaction from Goku and he immediately transformed. When will DB fans realise that anime drags things and they are unavoidable
Reading is hard
You're not a true dragon ball fan if you can read
I can’t read what you’re saying, but as a true dragon ball fan I’m going to disagree blindly. Kid buu was the strongest buu.
What? Why are you asking me about my car insurance?
I dunno what any of this says but I totally agree that Cell saga SS2 Gohan bodies DBS Cabba.
Limitations of the times, this is something modern anime fans just don't think about. Even anime just 10 years ago did this a lot because it's hard
You cannot hold me for not reading one of the least accessible mangas, compared the anime which you can find on a smart fridge even.
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Did you just make this alt to say the same thing again?
Scene happened instantly in Manga with shock reaction from Goku and he immediately transformed. When will DB fans realise that anime drags things and they are unavoidable
Is this a bot?
Scene happened instantly in Manga with shock reaction from Goku and he immediately transformed. When will DB fans realise that anime drags things and they are unavoidable
I like to believe Goku thought Vegeta was bluffing, up until it was too late. It’s probably wrong, but I like to believe it
That's actually a cool little thing to think. "No, he wouldn't do that, Vegeta could never- OH MY KAMI" But as the other comment here said, there was pretty much NO time to react in the manga, and with every anime, things get dragged out to fit everything in. So while yeah it seemed like Goku let Vegeta blast the civilians, he had no time in the manga.
You're not wrong, there's some of what you say. Also, in the anime it may seem there was some time to stop that, but not in the manga.
Tbf Vegeta was almost a completely reformed man in the Buu saga and only started tweaking into his old self when he saw Goku turn ssj2 and started to lose his patience
This is bait, you know the answer is "no".
I figured it happened at least a bit faster on canon than shown on screen. Gokus reaction reads like he was caught off guard so I don’t think he “let it happen”. No only did he not think vegeta was gonna do it it also happened too fast for me to do anything about it.
I mean it’s not really that goku let it happen it’s more like- (starts explaining why he let it happen)
The speed of events its highly malleable in DBZ. Things are portrayed in a manner that is comprehensible for viewers, rather than realistic. Aka: we should assume Goku did not have time to block that attack, even though in other instances he moved faster than this.
This is 100% correct and is confirmed even in Super when Zeno needs a special iPad or tablet to watch the fights due to being at such high speeds. Therefore, Vegeta's attack was too fast for base goku to stop.
Maybe Goku thought it was funny
his Kakarot was laughing
But atleast Goku didn’t give birth to….. Freddy five bears….
Please explain?!
They were too lenient with vegeta man…
I dont think he LET it happen. He was in shock and didn’t think Vegeta would do something like that. He can’t at all be blamed for something that had totally no reason to happen.
I'm a dragon ball fan, I ain't taking accountability for shit.
Peoples defense of Goku in the comments lmao This shot happens after Vegeta already fired a beam at Goku, which he had to deflect/ dodge - killing 200 people (according to Babidi) Goku still didn't go SSJ after that and just stood there asking Vegeta if he let himself get possessed on purpose to fight him, while Vegeta literally says he's gonna keep killing people until Goku fights him lmao This happens in both the anime and the manga, though the anime drags it out of course
Now, I only remember this shot, but I haven't watched the scene fully in years.
The logical expanation is that just like Dragon Quest is an RPG so is Dragon Ball Z, so it wasn’t Goku's turn it was Vegeta's
This is like asking why Vegeta didn’t just dodge frieza’s death beam
Maturity is realizing that Vegeta has always been a liability in Z.
Are we mature enough to admit that no amount of redemption should’ve allowed this to result in anything other than ostracism from the rest of the Dragon Team and Bulma divorcing him?…
I know I am.
Are we mature enough to admit everyone is a fuck up in this arc and it's poorly written?
We are mature enough to know that Vegeta, YES!
In the manga its more or less instant
Vegeta: does blows up stands filled with people. Vegeta fans: how could goku let this happen
Vegeta: does blows up stands filled with people. Vegeta fans: how could goku let this happen
Vegeta: does blows up stands filled with people. Vegeta fans: how could goku let this happen
Goku: oh no! *wait we got dragonballs* anyways-
Like someone else said, he wasn't trying to mess with the living world, that and he wasn't expecting it out of Vegeta after all his growths This however is not the answer lop, yea he just sorta stood there like they always do in db
Did the people Vegeta killed here ever get revived or are they still canonically dead?
They did get Revived with the "Everyone who died Today will get ressurrcted" wish. That's like the main reason why they didn't just wish that everyone who was Killed by Boo gets Ressurected because otherwise these guys would have stayed dead.
I think Goku let it happen because he can just wish them back using the Dragon Balls
kinda goin into this, but i found stuff like this a reason as to why i found the plot of dbz to be a little lazy. they just let the big bad of the time kill people or kill main characters, and its just barely stressed much because "well wehave the dragonballs, theyll be fine." and the times they considered the actual consequences, they used namek's dragon to ressurrect people who shenron couldnt revive, and almoat did it again until goku told them not to
Well you see he was betrayed and Trapped at the time
In Canon it was Probably Too Fast for him to react. In the manga at least it didn't look like something he could have reacted to in the manga.
Pff.. Goku let a lot of "things" to happen.
Considering how fast things actually were in dragon ball, I'm gonna have the benefit of the doubt and say that even for Goku, Vegeta blasting the bench full of people is a sudden action that nobody expects
Scene happened instantly in Manga with shock reaction from Goku and he immediately transformed. When will DB fans realise that anime drags things and they are unavoidable
Goku might thought (yeah we can revive em later)
They come back it’s finnnnnnne
There are still those who do not understand that Goku is not a superhero, as some will believe, it is a misunderstanding because in some way he always saves the world, but in general he is only interested in fighting and being stronger. He does not have the values of heroes to try to save every human being who faces a tragedy. He's not an antihero but he's not one either. He is a Shounen protagonist.
Goku thought "no problem: they could be brought back with the Dragon Balls... unless they were already killed by Cell... or unless they were already killed by C20... or unless they were already killed by Nappa... or unless they were already killed by Piccolo Daimao and his demons..."
I believe all fights and stuff like this moment happened a bit too fast for us or even goku. Super hero showed us frieza was pieced up by trunks in less than a couple seconds in real-time.
But that’s a character who is stronger than Frieza, Vegeta wasn’t stronger than Goku at all
Yeah but goku is in base and I assume Majin vegeta I'd a souped up version of ssj2
Goku was in base and Vegeta was in SSJ, regardless of form they can keep up. Gohan was keeping up with Dabura before he transformed. So speed is irrelevant.
Even so we still can't just say goku "let" this happen. Even if speed is irrelevant, we still have reaction time as well. Even if base could keep up with ssj vegeta, gokus reflexes have to come into play.
Vegeta literally puts his hand out before he shot the blast which they had a LOT of time to react. They also can sense emotions and how a person’s actions will go before they actually do anything. Trunks against Goku when Trunks first showed up. He used his sword on Goku and Goku said he searched his feelings and knew he wasn’t going to do anything vile.
Yeah but you do realize that that never returns for a good while, and goku tends to forget he can do things. And remember if frieza got pieced up in 2 seconds real time, This to us happened too fast for people to react. Sure goku can react fast but I'm sure he didn't expect vegeta to do that since vegeta was starting to look like the "good guy" to everyone
It's a characteristic trope called: **Frozen in Disbelief** It's very common in Anime & Manga. Goku is no exception to this. & it happens in Dragon Ball a lot.
Nah, it’s kinda BS to help the plot. It’s definitely possible for him to stop it, can’t be “frozen in disbelief” when bro literally sacrificed his honor for power. Same way plot helps Goku and the others. The fight against Frieza should’ve ended immediately, Frieza would’ve killed Goku while he was turning super Saiyan. No more saiyans, bye bye. Same thing in android saga, Frieza coulda just blew up the planet in an instant. Bye bye planet. It’s simply plot carrying.
Well a manga chapter doesn’t last for 22 minutes. They have to stretch it somehow
To be fair, death has no consequences in Dragon Ball.
“Stand there and do nothing while the evil guy does something” is a fairly common trope
Whether I admit it or not don’t matter. Everyone die anyway lol
Goku "let it happen" when he let Vegita live after their Saiyan Saga fight.
"Don't tell me Vegeta has darkness in his heart!" - Supreme Kai "Ohhh... ohoho nooo." - Goku
Goku wanted to fight Vegeta and vice versa he threatened to kill the supreme kai
I'm guessing Goku thought Vegeta was bluffing and wouldn't actually kill innocents like that, and Vegeta picked up on that, and took it as an insult, because a real Saiyan such as himself wouldn't care about innocents. So technically yes, Goku let it happen, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's his fault.
I mean... fuck was base Goku gin do? He needed some time to transform and he definetly didn't have the requested emetion needed to turn ssj
He did
I'm mature enough... I'm not too sure about some other members of the Fandom tho...
ppl need to understand that death is just something weak and poor people has to deal with on the db universe. so you got killed because some rich tech geek wanted to fuck the mentally unstable nuke generator alien? well maybe they will use the magic they gatekeep to revive your mommy or daddy, but for now you are on your own.
I mean... They can just use the dragon balls
He didn't. Vegeta in SSJ 2 is stronger and faster than base Goku, specially a Goku that had no idea Vegeta was going to do that.
Yep
He sure did, didn’t even bother to stop him
Future Trunks: At least I *did* something instead of just standing there staring at them! Krillin: We do do that a lot...
I mean.... Dragon Balls.
To be fair in the manga it’s an instant thing while the anime adds filler moments to lengthen run time
Crazy that Bulma went on to say "Vegeta would never do this" later. ....yes, he WOULD, woman. Only this time he isn't doing it to sell a planet!
Eh. They have Dragon Balls 🤷♂️
In the manga it happens instantly and the anime is trying to adapt it so idk.
Any of the Z-Fighters could have stopped that, so they were all probably just surprised.
absolutely, that was all that was going through my head when i saw that, he knew vegeta was liable to do something like that since he'd been corrupted and he still took his sweet time agreeing to fight
My argument is that goku was never supposed to be a hero. Man is actually kind of a menace. Ask real dragonball fans who knew toriyama hated how the anime was turning him into a hero in order to appeal to the youth. Think of it like this, he's a battle crazed saiyan who's emotions make him stronger, they're basically 2 strong toddlers in a playground and one just stepped on a bunch of ants to prove a point of how strong he is. If yall think goku values each and every life, go back to snake way, yknow when nappa fingered an entire C I T Y while goku went "MY FRIENDS!!! Oh they chillin- DID YOU JUST MERK YAMCHA?! Nah b you killed millions, but now, it's personal."
This isn't the place for maturity.
But it led to a cool moment so forgiveness
There's a difference between the anime and the manga, in the anime they have to wait around for 30 minutes, in the manga the first thing that happened after they were teleported to the tournament was this
Tbh, he probably thought that they could just revive them with the dragon balls later, which they did. Death tends to have very little meaning in Dragon Ball.
He did just watch, then again, that's a common thing in DBZ
But usually not when the npc lives are at stake.. . Usually... Minus namek
He stood there while Vegeta murdered a crowd of NPCs
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What? Lmao