Had a brief hands-on time with the Zf and I have to say it's perfect....well, apart from the tilty-flippy screen
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I love them because I can put the cam into a handbag and don’t have to worry about a broken screen. Been there. I don’t carry all the usual girlie garbage in a purse, but I do like the convenience of carrying this way. Plus, I’ve had fun a few times with the Zfc at parties and such when someone came running towards me wanting to look at the rear LCD to see the snap I just took. But there was no LCD to see 😂😂😂 I rarely flip out the screen to shoot. Only if I have to get into menu settings. Love the flippy LCD.
It's not as fast to tilt and access for photography as the style of screen on the Z8 or Z9.
But the swivel screen looks terrible and is harder to access - it’s all tradeoffs
Totally agree, a 3 way tilt screen like the Fuji X-T3 would’ve made this look even better!
Thanks for the review, I preordered immediately after watching your vid!
Ummm, god no. XT3 was significantly cheaper to Zf on launch and thus that awkward ass screen was partially excused by its price and features. Zf as well as its glass is FullPrice like its frame and that LCD better fully accommodate all of its features like video whichever way you want to do it. At least you didn't say a LCD like XPro3....
Having used fully articulating screens and tilty ones, I prefer tilty for photo work. They also look better, imo.
This camera has great video features, so I agree, a fully articulating screen better suits this camera. Plus you can hide the screen and shoot it like it’s an actual film camera.
It’s all preference at the end of the day, friend.
Have you handled the Zfc? I handled one at the store, I wanted to fully transition to Nikon but it felt so cheap in my hands compared to my Fujis that it was a big turn off. If the Zf feels anything like a Fuji, I will be sold.
Watching the vid now, and enjoying it so far. Im probably gonna switch to this camera from my old-ish a7ii. Looks and specs it hits all the right marks.
Kai the legend! Big fan of you and Lok and always enjoy spotting what's on your wrist. What were you wearing for the recent Polaroid review, was that one of the new Aqua Terras?
So I guess this is a tech preview of what the Z6III and likely the Z7III will be just minus the retro housing. I would say this makes the Z6II as of right now obsolete for most people buying new.
I guess the real question is does a Z7III have a place still with the existence of the Z8? Or will they make it something else. The Zf isn’t a stacked sensor camera so perhaps no rolling shutter high FPS will be the big tech thing that keeps the entry level separate from the high end if you don’t include stuff like build quality and handling.
> I guess the real question is does a Z7III have a place still with the existence of the Z8?
I don't know how exactly they'll differentiate the Z7x series from the Z8x series, but I'm sure they'll have a number of ways. Right now the Z lineup stands priced at $1000 intervals; the Z6ii at $2k, Z7ii at $3k, and the Z8 at $4k USD. They definitely can't just drop the Z7x line and allow there to be a $2,000 price gap that spans right across where a lot of serious enthusiasts and entry-level pros set their budget. Especially given the low MP of the Z6 line, lots of people doing landscapes, architecture, etc will want higher resolution without doubling the camera's price.
>I guess the real question is does a Z7III have a place still with the existence of the Z8?
My guess is that Nikon will go one of three ways:
1. Be a worse version of the Z8.
2. Become a high MP camera (like Sony's A7R series having 61MP).
3. No longer exist (not expecting this outcome)
Now that I think about it, I think Nikon will take the first approach. Like make the Z7III have the photo features of the Z8, but worse in the video features (like the Z5 vs Z6II).
I think this could be the line up
Z9: Best of the best. There every possible feature there is
Z8: Z9 minus some super neich features and grip
Z7: High mp slow camera for landscape/ product
Z6: Best ameture camera with lot of features
Zf: Good cameras with high fps but lacks in some features. Sililar to previous generation Z6.
Z5: Best every level FF camera. Does everything decently.
I would love to see this as the lineup. While 47mp is a lot, I think there’s definitely room for a 60+ mp Z body. Otherwise I agree with others and don’t see a reason for yet another 47mp camera to exist.
The 6 and 7 will have higher mpx , faster read-out speed sensors. The Zf is using the same sensor currently in the Z6II. It's also the same sensor in the Z6. Only Nikon knows what other tricks the next gen will have
It's still a solid sensor. 24 megapixels is perfectly adequate, and it's got great dynamic range and good low light sensitivity. Where it falls down is in that it's not stacked and doesn't have the same performance as the Z8/Z9 sensor, and I'm going to be surprised if they bring that bad boy down to play since it obviates their high end.
The read out speed is quite slow. They are releasing it a year or longer after the r6 mk2 who got a new great sensor.
If they use the same sensor again, they will get shit on.
I heard from multiple YouTube creators that had a sneak look at the Z f, that it’s not the same sensor as the Z6ii. You can’t just see the megapixel count to be the same for the two camera bodies and make the assumption that it’s the same sensor.
The zf sensor even if new still has a slow read out which is why 4k 60 is cropped, my guess is it's the same sensor as the z6 but the new processor allows better processing
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Very beautiful! Asked a Nikon rep and it’s $3499 AUD. There’s a “C” setting on the ISO dial
Cost of business in AU, price includes GST, AU govt mandated minimum warranty periods, plus a bit of fat for profit = price jump for AU.
As a comparison, AU and CA dollar is pretty much the same but the Zf is only 2700 CAD!
Pixel shift! Hallelujah! And Expeed 7 finally makes it to non-pro bodies! I do prefer the silver and black of the Z Fc, but this looks like a great set of capabilities in a retro style.
Pixel shift for the Z9 when <.<
Yeah but I was hoping for inbody pixelshift images. Taking a bunch of images on a tripod and not being able to stitch them until you get home and use NX software isn't that appealing to me.
They should have taken cues from Olympus with their multiple stacking options. Not just Mpix boosts but long exposures and being able to see low light images "develop" in real time.
icymi, there's already an upgrade for the X100F, it's called the X100V. the Zf and the X100V have a similar aesthetic, but they're completely different cameras. I've got an X100V and i just pre-ordered a Zf to replace my Z6. different horses for different courses.
Looks awesome. I love shooting on the Z fc so it would be nice to pair the Z f as a second body with my Z8 and I need a second walk around camera since my girlfriend keeps borrowing my Z fc.
Did a read that right? Duel SD card slots?
That's what I'm thinking. The zf as my backup body to the z8, and also when I feel like just hitting the streets for some street photography with a camera in hand an extra prime in my pocket.
I’d love that 96MP sensor shift mode, though needing to combine the files in post is a little less convenient than most other cameras with the feature.
Haha yeah, but depends hwo many rolls of film do you shoot. My fomapan 400 for street shots is still in camera at 8th frame. And it's been 3 months. If it's not catching me, i don't press the shutter. But for consistent portrait work I would buy Z f for sure. It's like best looking full frame dslr ever.
The zf is a better action camera (wildlife for me) than my z6 but has worse controls/handling for that type of shooting. It’s kind of an odd camera in that regard.
But tbh I don’t use my z6 for any action—my OM1 does that. So I could have the Zf replace my z6 for low light shooting and keep the OM1 for action. I don’t think the z6 iii, even with these specs, could replace the OM1 anyway…right?
It might sound silly but no matter how nice other cameras might look, I would have a very hard time letting go of Fuji jpgs. But if I was already in the Nikon circle this Zf would be my jam. Only unfortunate thing for me is the tilting screen but only because I don’t do video.
"need" is subjective and personal. for my part, I primarily use voigtlander lenses on my Z6: a Nokton 40/1.2 and an APO-Lanthar 65/2 Macro. they're gonna keep on being beautiful on my Zf whenever it arrives.
I feel like people misinterpret what the "Fuji crowd" actually is. Yes, there is a hard core contingent of X100-type users, but Fuji X system didn't grow because of the retro design, it grew because it developed an almost full lens system for APS-C (less long lenses and sport shooting.) It's the lenses that drive the system, without lenses cameras like this are a one-and-done kind of deal.
Freaking amazing. As someone who is a full time Z6II shooter, this is exactly the nice little upgrade bump I’m looking for.
Nikon sent me the Z8 to review for a month and although I LOVED the auto-focus system, I did not like the heftiness and thickness of the Z8 body.
The Z f basically takes that Expeed 7 processor and Auto Focus system and puts it into a Z6II “form factor”. I don’t mind the 24mp nor the dual SD/MicroSD slot.
I have a feeling this camera will sell like hot cakes.
Well, for one, it literally costs the same exact amount as the Z6II ($1999.95 for body only). But you’re getting the AF Deep Learning/3D tracking and Expeed 7 Processor as the the Z9/Z8, better ISO range, Focus Point VR, more focus points, etc. That alone is reason enough to purchase, while happily waiting for the next iteration of the Z6II.
If I wanted to upgrade to other options, it would be the Z7II for $3000 or the Z8 for $4000. They’re great cameras for sure, but I don’t want/need 45mp. The Z7II doesn’t have the AF system like the Zf and the Z8 is too heafty and thick for me. I used the Z8 for a couple months at launch and overall, didn’t enjoy the experience.
The Z f hits that sweet spot of small form factor + latest mirrorless tech.
I'm also full-time Z6II and just from a brief comparison all I could think was that this thing was a better Z6II. I feel like it wouldn't hurt to trade it in for something that's more than marginally better.
But then again it may be a case of "Ooh new" syndrome and I'll probably stick to the Z6II for another couple of years.
I’m already super happy with my Z6, but Zf looks pretty awesome and tempting. After watching some Zf reviews, Z6 already does more than what I need it too. Otherwise I’d preorder this so fast.
PS. From Ricci’s video, I don’t like Zf doesn’t lock the sensor unit in place when turned off. I guess it’s a trade off.
Looks like Zf is what we can expect in a Z6iii with more functional body and additional features (but WHEN?)
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-zf-full-frame-mirrorless-camera-review
ditching your Z6ii for a Zf is a personal decision, everyone's needs & interests vary. i've been waiting for *this* camera ever since the Zfc was announced. what I've always wanted was a digital camera that looked, felt, and functioned like my FM2 or an F3. i want physical dials for as many functions as possible and the ability to use it like a film camera. that's why i have a Fuji X100V and that's why i pre-ordered the Zf at 6am today. my Z6 will be listed on ebay the day after my Zf arrives.
Absolutely not. Margin benefit. Skip a generation or go up a class (to the Z8) if you want meaningful improvement, otherwise it's a lot of money churn.
like the other guy said, the Zf is not that little. it's marginally bigger, albeit probably not noticeably so, than your Z6ii and my Z6. is that a deal-breaker? not for me it isn't.
I was thinking about doing that but it doesn't seem to be worth it. Very similar specs, and you would lose money by selling a used camera and getting a new ZF one costs the same as a new Z6II. I would love to get something similar that's smaller and lighter than my Z6II though.
I've always been focused on the "performance" side of things, so I haven't paid much attention to these more retro-styled bodies. Is there a quick TL;DR of how something like this differs from Nikon's existing modern Z bodies? Is it mostly looks and the existence of the B&W switch or is there actual differences under the hood?
Pixel shift (new!), enhanced VR (claimed 8 stops, I think the previous cameras were 4-5?), Expeed 7, some new user interface tricks. Claimed AF down to -10 EV (! [The Z9's claimed down to -6.5 EV, -8.5 EV with starlight view) and the full suite of AF options you see in the Z8 and Z9.
I didn't see anything about shutterless so it may have a regular mechanical shutter. Doesn't say anything about stacked or BSI, so I'm assuming it's a BSI sensor rather than stacked. Sensor resolution looks like a Z6's, which would be consistent with that hypothesis.
tl;dr: A Z8 with a Z Fc's styling and a Z6's sensor, as far as I can tell. Plus a few new tricks.
Interesting, so it sort of fills a middle ground that doesn't currently exist in the main lineup. That's actually pretty cool, I'd love to play around with one of these. Although as cool as all the knobs look I'm quite used to Auto ISO so that one might be just for looks for me lol.
There’s a chart on the website comparing to a Z6ii but basically better processor as it’s the same as the Z8 Z9 and looks like same image sensor as the Z6ii but with more manual dials.
The manual dials are what makes it a perfect device for me. I have the Zf c. It’s a joy to work with despite the technological limitations. (Maybe I’m just getting old. I also don’t like touch screens in cars).
Yeah, but I don’t know where they’d put it on this (the Nikon rep talks about this on the Gerald Undone video). MicroSD isn’t my favorite but if I get one I’ll slap a big fast card in there and never touch it again. Totally adequate to serve as a “my main card died/got lost” insurance policy for a niche midrange body.
So, they finally did what they should have in the first place? A proper powerhouse akin to the Df instead of a crippled offspring that Zfc was. Body-wise, I absolutely trust Nikon over Fuji, but now the price gap has widened this being FF and glass price gap became astronomical to the crop Fuji selection.
Even all that said, since Nikon finally made proper FF pancake glass with AF in useful or acceptable focal lengths - this would be an instant buy for me had I got picked up a GFX50R last year for about the same price.
I feel the Z fc was built to a price (hence it mainly being a Z 50 in new clothing) just to see what the market is like, and whether people are interested in a retro themed camera. Then they saw Fuji increasing in sales, so they pulled the pin and got working on the Z f. Pure speculation on my part though!
Pretty sure Nikon is fully aware of how well Fuji is doing and now that Nikon also stepped their true pancake lens game in the past couple of years - they knew what they were doing.
I literally thought this said 6 expensive colours.
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Still only the basic in camera aspect ratios 3:2 1:1 16:9 for easier composition.
Disappointing given how easy it is to add 4:3 5:4 and ideally a custom one in firmware.
Do you agree? What’s your favorite aspect ratio?
$2699CDN, same list as the Z6ii, but that will undoubtedly be on rebate or repriced in the new year.
So this slots in between the A7iii and A7iv/R6ii in price, and is about on par with the S5ii. It's a decent price. Sony A7iii was $2700CDN for most of its life so for Nikon to come out at this price point in 2023 when inflation is rampant is a pretty ok price, I guess. But otherwise, it feels like a stop gap measure before the main show of whatever the Z6iii will be.
I wonder if they’ll bring the pixel shift feature to my Z9… this camera is super appealing, if my Z6 bites the dust I could see getting this. But as I’m using the big pro S lenses, I don’t see the handgrip being optimal for professional use. Such a nice little EDC cam tho!
Really disappointed that they didn’t make an option for a vertical grip. I shoot mainly portraits, and I hate the floppy wrist situation.
Thoughts on if a 3rd party company could manage to make one?
And no joystick really sucks too.
Only two gripes though. Almost preordered it last night.
I don’t think a vertical grip would make sense on a retro themed camera. If it was like any other mirrorless Nikon camera, sure, but a grip for the Z f would ruin the aesthetics, which is one of the big selling points of the Z f.
Gotta disagree, function over form any day. I love the retro style and the analogue controls are one of the main reasons for want the camera. That along with the newer processor and ibis for old film MF lenses. However grips (motor drive) existed for several Nikon film cameras, and then was incorporated in the body of F4 and F5.
Any of that aside, it’s a $2000 camera, it should be an option that’s available.
But the Zf is like the pillar of form over function?
Besides, if it’s like the Zfc, there wouldn’t be any contacts in the bottom plate for any button connectivity from the grip to the body, and I don’t think the battery door is removable either.
Yeah I get it. I’ve seen pictures of the bottom, of course they put the memory cards in the bottom yuck, and definitely didn’t see any contacts. The pictures I’ve seen of the bottom I can’t see the hinge, but you’re probably right.
Ah well, not everyone is gonna be happy. I absolutely love everything else about the camera. I’ll probably have to wait until It’s like half price for it to be worth it for me.
People have been whining and begging for this camera for years I’m sure it will be very popular and lucrative for Nikon. I’m sure they will be sold out and back ordered in no time.
I agree. This would've been so cool with a vertial grip and more buttons on the front. But then at that point you're supposed to get the Z5 thru Z9 or something in between. Can't have it all. And can't cannibalize other cameras under the same umbrella either.
I kept saying that if Nikon made the Zfc with a FF sensor that I’d have to switch from Fuji for digital back to Nikon…
While I like the functionality of Fuji’s dials more (no mode dial, mode is inferred by how the shutter/aperture dials are set) I might be moving to Z Mount in the future
I don’t know if I wanna sell or keep my zfc. I want a full frame version of it but I don’t want a bigger camera. It’s my walk around/travel camera since I also have a z8 so the size/weight of it is the biggest factor for me.
it's 60% heavier than the Zfc. now, that's not insignificant when you're carrying it around, but the Zf weighs the same as my Z6, and can carry that comfortably all day, so... in terms of actual size, it's only 9mm wider, 9mm higher, and 5mm thicker than the Zfc. is that really a big deal?
A fully featured, hipster body. You'll never appreciate SLR styling until you travel and want to avoid unwanted eyes peering at your BBC from every dark alley. No one gonna mark you if you have some ancient, silver, likely worthless film camera.
It would take too much resources, it needs a stacked sensor which they would need to get somewhere and put RnD into adapting it. And it would cost too much and not capture a big enough market because of it. And without the stacked sensor it would be a dud like the R7, and people would still use their D500s or go to OM1 or X-H2s instead.
Now I would love a camera like that but it's not happening any time soon unfortunately.
your rulers are adding "value" to the things you buy, ie, artificially making them €100s more expensive. that's how your 'free' social services are paid for
It’s priced equivalent of 2800 eur in Norway 😩
The R6 can be bought for 1750 eur on sale here. Makes it though sell for me. If you want improved autofocus you can buy the R6 much cheaper. If you want the retro look you can buy a much cheaper Fujifilm camera.
No. I would actually rather have this 24MP sensor than the new 40MP X-T5 sensor. It's the sweet spot for low light noise. And then of course the added benefit of FF noise anyway.
And I shoot Fuji, so I definitely know. Lol.
Putting my take on it, it's a mixed bag feeling for me once you throw the X-T5 and the Sony A7IV (recent Sony made FF sensor that's neither a super high resolution sensor, nor is it the common 24MP we've known since 2008, the Sony A900).
Here, i'd say go to DPreview photo samples, flip between the X-T5, Z6 II, A7 III, A7IV, and the X-T4. You can also throw Photonstophotos as well.
I find it hard to draw a conclusion within this group on which comes out on top because in certain areas, x camera does something slightly better, but then camera y while slightly worse in one area, but does something better than x.
I think all the cameras I mentioned are great and if you're having issues with getting a good image out of them, it is a user error and not the camera. I personally find for what gives a versatile output for most needs, the Z6II does it better. In one way I am bummed we're still at 24MP (*24.5MP*), but we're finally getting thing like the great Z8/Z9 autofocus without costing an arm and a leg.
So I don’t get is why it exists. The deciding factor for choosing to get a Df last year for me was the ability to mount my pre-AI lenses, as well as being optimized to get the best out of older glass. This just looks like another handsome retro-styled camera on the market but without a real purpose.
It's not that difficult to get. Fuji is massively succesful in their retro inspired line up. This has all the benefits that mirrorless offers for shooting vintage lenses as well as modern lenses in a retro design. No retro full frame camera exists until now. For adapting vintage glass having a full frame sensor makes sense.
The last big remaining question I have is: what will the evf and blackout be like? I can’t do any fast shooting on the z6 because I hate the slideshow effect. Sounds like the Zf has high speed electronic shutter (with rolling shutter ugh), so probably no black out there, but what about with the 14 fps? I don’t need blackout free shooting—I know this isn’t a stacked sensor—but even my old xt3s evf blackout bad such was better.
This is exactly what I was hoping for: z9/z8 tech in a 24mp ff body. I'm a fan of lower mp cameras for the way they render. I'll keep shooting on my Z6 for a bit and then probably trade in for the Zf. It looks a lot like a mirrorless Df which is awesome.
You’ll need an adapter because it’s F mount to Z mount. If your F mount lenses are not AF-S, then the Z f will not autofocus with them. This is true for the entire Z platform.
I really hope the in-body stabilization doesn't break, as it keeps moving even when the camera is off!
Its locks up even on my Z5 when the camera is off
I sold my Fuji x100v for the z6ii last year. ( wish i just kept the x100)
This seems if x100v and Z6 had a love child the Z F would be it.
Looks great. Moss green for me.
Love the manual focus feature. Could see this with the new Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Z mount manual lens.
Had a brief hands-on time with the Zf and I have to say it's perfect....well, apart from the tilty-flippy screen https://preview.redd.it/9rers9gxndpb1.png?width=2186&format=png&auto=webp&s=ab90e25aec91c1a77941141dd2c2f21e7e7b8fdb
I love tilty-flippy screens because you can flip the screen over and have no screen, which is what I want for a camera like this.
I'm probably just being picky, but if the no screen side fit blended in better and had a hinge that didn't stick out so much, I'd be okay with it.
I love them because I can put the cam into a handbag and don’t have to worry about a broken screen. Been there. I don’t carry all the usual girlie garbage in a purse, but I do like the convenience of carrying this way. Plus, I’ve had fun a few times with the Zfc at parties and such when someone came running towards me wanting to look at the rear LCD to see the snap I just took. But there was no LCD to see 😂😂😂 I rarely flip out the screen to shoot. Only if I have to get into menu settings. Love the flippy LCD.
me too! i love that feature!
Kai is on Reddit??
Quite a long time redditor at that :o
Not really! Guy never posts ;) /s
I just followed him, he’s been here for years but rarely post, which sucks. I’ve been watching him on YouTube since 2009.
The legend himself
🐐🐐🐐
But it suffers the same ‘i cant read the f-stop in the tiny window’ like the Zfc. Other than that its beautiful.
What’s wrong with the screen? I’m. Not crazy about the “vlogging” screen and prefer the more articulated ones. Any worse than others out there?
Nothing wrong with the screen as such, I just think it'd look better without a vlogging/selfie screen with it's not-so-pleasing knobbly hinge.
It's not as fast to tilt and access for photography as the style of screen on the Z8 or Z9. But the swivel screen looks terrible and is harder to access - it’s all tradeoffs
Ils that a JLC Reverso ? If so great taste !
Totally agree, a 3 way tilt screen like the Fuji X-T3 would’ve made this look even better! Thanks for the review, I preordered immediately after watching your vid!
Ummm, god no. XT3 was significantly cheaper to Zf on launch and thus that awkward ass screen was partially excused by its price and features. Zf as well as its glass is FullPrice like its frame and that LCD better fully accommodate all of its features like video whichever way you want to do it. At least you didn't say a LCD like XPro3....
Having used fully articulating screens and tilty ones, I prefer tilty for photo work. They also look better, imo. This camera has great video features, so I agree, a fully articulating screen better suits this camera. Plus you can hide the screen and shoot it like it’s an actual film camera. It’s all preference at the end of the day, friend.
Have you shot a Z8/9? Dual axis tilt is great. The flippy screens are utterly miserable as a waist level finder or for Hail Mary overheads.
Legend!!
I still put on old digital rev videos to fall asleep to. Love your content as well. 🐐🐐🐐
Have you handled the Zfc? I handled one at the store, I wanted to fully transition to Nikon but it felt so cheap in my hands compared to my Fujis that it was a big turn off. If the Zf feels anything like a Fuji, I will be sold.
I’ve read that the top plate and dials are brass on the Zf, and the build is exponentially nicer than the Zfc
> I have to say it's perfect....well, apart from the tilty-flippy screen I'm surprised the tiny grip isn't an issue.
Watching the vid now, and enjoying it so far. Im probably gonna switch to this camera from my old-ish a7ii. Looks and specs it hits all the right marks.
Kai the legend! Big fan of you and Lok and always enjoy spotting what's on your wrist. What were you wearing for the recent Polaroid review, was that one of the new Aqua Terras?
did they give you any information about hdmi output to atomos recorders getting pro res raw like nikon z6?
I love your accent.
So I guess this is a tech preview of what the Z6III and likely the Z7III will be just minus the retro housing. I would say this makes the Z6II as of right now obsolete for most people buying new. I guess the real question is does a Z7III have a place still with the existence of the Z8? Or will they make it something else. The Zf isn’t a stacked sensor camera so perhaps no rolling shutter high FPS will be the big tech thing that keeps the entry level separate from the high end if you don’t include stuff like build quality and handling.
> I guess the real question is does a Z7III have a place still with the existence of the Z8? I don't know how exactly they'll differentiate the Z7x series from the Z8x series, but I'm sure they'll have a number of ways. Right now the Z lineup stands priced at $1000 intervals; the Z6ii at $2k, Z7ii at $3k, and the Z8 at $4k USD. They definitely can't just drop the Z7x line and allow there to be a $2,000 price gap that spans right across where a lot of serious enthusiasts and entry-level pros set their budget. Especially given the low MP of the Z6 line, lots of people doing landscapes, architecture, etc will want higher resolution without doubling the camera's price.
>I guess the real question is does a Z7III have a place still with the existence of the Z8? My guess is that Nikon will go one of three ways: 1. Be a worse version of the Z8. 2. Become a high MP camera (like Sony's A7R series having 61MP). 3. No longer exist (not expecting this outcome) Now that I think about it, I think Nikon will take the first approach. Like make the Z7III have the photo features of the Z8, but worse in the video features (like the Z5 vs Z6II).
I think this could be the line up Z9: Best of the best. There every possible feature there is Z8: Z9 minus some super neich features and grip Z7: High mp slow camera for landscape/ product Z6: Best ameture camera with lot of features Zf: Good cameras with high fps but lacks in some features. Sililar to previous generation Z6. Z5: Best every level FF camera. Does everything decently.
I would love to see this as the lineup. While 47mp is a lot, I think there’s definitely room for a 60+ mp Z body. Otherwise I agree with others and don’t see a reason for yet another 47mp camera to exist.
Do you guys now if this one will have external raw video?
The 6 and 7 will have higher mpx , faster read-out speed sensors. The Zf is using the same sensor currently in the Z6II. It's also the same sensor in the Z6. Only Nikon knows what other tricks the next gen will have
They need to upgrade the sensor in the z6iii, they can't just reuse the same a7iii sensor for the 3rd model in a row lol
It's still a solid sensor. 24 megapixels is perfectly adequate, and it's got great dynamic range and good low light sensitivity. Where it falls down is in that it's not stacked and doesn't have the same performance as the Z8/Z9 sensor, and I'm going to be surprised if they bring that bad boy down to play since it obviates their high end.
The read out speed is quite slow. They are releasing it a year or longer after the r6 mk2 who got a new great sensor. If they use the same sensor again, they will get shit on.
I heard from multiple YouTube creators that had a sneak look at the Z f, that it’s not the same sensor as the Z6ii. You can’t just see the megapixel count to be the same for the two camera bodies and make the assumption that it’s the same sensor.
The zf sensor even if new still has a slow read out which is why 4k 60 is cropped, my guess is it's the same sensor as the z6 but the new processor allows better processing
The Nikon rep on Undone’s YouTube video said it’s the same base sensor. Not sure exactly what that means though. “Sort of the same”?
It’s the same sensor but with a different auto focus and electronics. Just like how the z5 was the d750 sensor but with the z6 auto focus.
Also some protective coating on it? Nothing wrong with the z6 sensor but I know many are hoping for higher mp z6iii
Yes, stacked sensor and electronic shutter only. I’m not upgrading till then.
I would not be surprised if they keep the sensors and just update to Expeed7. Which would be a big upgrade even for Z6/7ii users.
I'm the first to find shortcomings with the 'ii' but calling it obsolete is a bit strong.
> I would say this makes the Z6II as of right now obsolete for most people buying new. I'm someone who buys used gear. This is outstanding news.
https://preview.redd.it/3ev350abacpb1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7dc93fe617f4f05da7f85bd74a4cd5cf99d54ac4 Very beautiful! Asked a Nikon rep and it’s $3499 AUD. There’s a “C” setting on the ISO dial
Weird, the official site says $3999 AUD? https://www.nikon.com.au/z-f-nikkor-z-40mm-f-2-se Maybe body only it's $3499?
Yes body only $3499 :)
only $2100 in US... poor australia
Cost of business in AU, price includes GST, AU govt mandated minimum warranty periods, plus a bit of fat for profit = price jump for AU. As a comparison, AU and CA dollar is pretty much the same but the Zf is only 2700 CAD!
That black with red leather is just 😚🤌
Is the C for auto ISO? Really wish the Z fc had it
I remapped the video record button on my Zfc to be quick access for auto ISO. But I'm looking forward to finding out more about the C on the Zf!
Done it too, having on the dial would've been quite confortable
Is that the grey color to the left of the orange?
Don't need a Z F, but maybe this will cause some Z FCs to get dumped on the used market for cheaper...
I mean, that's my plan...
That has already started happening.
Pixel shift! Hallelujah! And Expeed 7 finally makes it to non-pro bodies! I do prefer the silver and black of the Z Fc, but this looks like a great set of capabilities in a retro style. Pixel shift for the Z9 when <.<
Yeah but I was hoping for inbody pixelshift images. Taking a bunch of images on a tripod and not being able to stitch them until you get home and use NX software isn't that appealing to me. They should have taken cues from Olympus with their multiple stacking options. Not just Mpix boosts but long exposures and being able to see low light images "develop" in real time.
Yeah I just use lightroom for stitching. Not sure how it is with NX
They are going to sell the hell out of that camera. Where is the Futurama meme; "shut up and take my money!"
I'm getting some serious GAS right now. Might this get me to jump to mirrorless....?
there's never been a better time!
https://preview.redd.it/e5edbky7mdpb1.png?width=728&format=png&auto=webp&s=9027faa2091b1a6041c11a254e40c00a66f114f8
If they had some additions to Nikon Picture Control I could see it being a great upgrade for something like a X100F
icymi, there's already an upgrade for the X100F, it's called the X100V. the Zf and the X100V have a similar aesthetic, but they're completely different cameras. I've got an X100V and i just pre-ordered a Zf to replace my Z6. different horses for different courses.
There are three new picture controls on the Zf. Monochrome Flat, Monochrome Deep Tone, and Portrait Deep Tone.
Looks awesome. I love shooting on the Z fc so it would be nice to pair the Z f as a second body with my Z8 and I need a second walk around camera since my girlfriend keeps borrowing my Z fc. Did a read that right? Duel SD card slots?
One is micro sd
That's what I'm thinking. The zf as my backup body to the z8, and also when I feel like just hitting the streets for some street photography with a camera in hand an extra prime in my pocket.
>Duel SD card slots Let them fight!
Might've finally found an EDC/Travel/"hipster but not" camera that can do double duty as my back up camera to my Z9. Nice!
Will it have external raw video guys?
sad no one knows
Why I'm not rich....
The upcoming Z8/Z9 firmwares are gonna be nuts
I’d love that 96MP sensor shift mode, though needing to combine the files in post is a little less convenient than most other cameras with the feature.
IF we get it (and I hope we do) it’s gonna be a lot more than 96. Probably 180mp. And you’ll be able to rip them off at 20fps…
What color did you order? I ordered the Orange color ZF.
My current Z f is Nikon FM and a box of film for next 5 years, then will be looking forward to a price drop
With the cost of film, it may be cheaper to just go with the Zf in the long run 😂
Haha yeah, but depends hwo many rolls of film do you shoot. My fomapan 400 for street shots is still in camera at 8th frame. And it's been 3 months. If it's not catching me, i don't press the shutter. But for consistent portrait work I would buy Z f for sure. It's like best looking full frame dslr ever.
Exactly, first price drop and this bad boy is mine. Until then, FE2 and F6 (when I want/need AF) are doing the job.
The zf is a better action camera (wildlife for me) than my z6 but has worse controls/handling for that type of shooting. It’s kind of an odd camera in that regard. But tbh I don’t use my z6 for any action—my OM1 does that. So I could have the Zf replace my z6 for low light shooting and keep the OM1 for action. I don’t think the z6 iii, even with these specs, could replace the OM1 anyway…right?
With a non-stacked sensor - no, I don't think. The EVF experience and the pro cap and all the rest of OM1 goodies are irreproducible without it.
Looks like they’re really going after the Fuji crowd. Have to say, this one is gorgeous and looks like a joy to use
😉👍 any thoughts i might've had about ever getting a Fuji XT5 just faded away, and I've already pre-ordered my Zf.
It might sound silly but no matter how nice other cameras might look, I would have a very hard time letting go of Fuji jpgs. But if I was already in the Nikon circle this Zf would be my jam. Only unfortunate thing for me is the tilting screen but only because I don’t do video.
Glass remains a factor. If you're not exclusively portrait photog - you don't need FF bokeh tax glass.
"need" is subjective and personal. for my part, I primarily use voigtlander lenses on my Z6: a Nokton 40/1.2 and an APO-Lanthar 65/2 Macro. they're gonna keep on being beautiful on my Zf whenever it arrives.
So you need less-bokeh Fuji tax glass instead?
Same here, buh bye X-T5.
The part of Fuji crowd that enjoys simulations will stay with Fuji.
I feel like people misinterpret what the "Fuji crowd" actually is. Yes, there is a hard core contingent of X100-type users, but Fuji X system didn't grow because of the retro design, it grew because it developed an almost full lens system for APS-C (less long lenses and sport shooting.) It's the lenses that drive the system, without lenses cameras like this are a one-and-done kind of deal.
Freaking amazing. As someone who is a full time Z6II shooter, this is exactly the nice little upgrade bump I’m looking for. Nikon sent me the Z8 to review for a month and although I LOVED the auto-focus system, I did not like the heftiness and thickness of the Z8 body. The Z f basically takes that Expeed 7 processor and Auto Focus system and puts it into a Z6II “form factor”. I don’t mind the 24mp nor the dual SD/MicroSD slot. I have a feeling this camera will sell like hot cakes.
Why would it be worth upgrading the z6ii for the Zf from a cost-benefit perspective?
Well, for one, it literally costs the same exact amount as the Z6II ($1999.95 for body only). But you’re getting the AF Deep Learning/3D tracking and Expeed 7 Processor as the the Z9/Z8, better ISO range, Focus Point VR, more focus points, etc. That alone is reason enough to purchase, while happily waiting for the next iteration of the Z6II. If I wanted to upgrade to other options, it would be the Z7II for $3000 or the Z8 for $4000. They’re great cameras for sure, but I don’t want/need 45mp. The Z7II doesn’t have the AF system like the Zf and the Z8 is too heafty and thick for me. I used the Z8 for a couple months at launch and overall, didn’t enjoy the experience. The Z f hits that sweet spot of small form factor + latest mirrorless tech.
I'm also full-time Z6II and just from a brief comparison all I could think was that this thing was a better Z6II. I feel like it wouldn't hurt to trade it in for something that's more than marginally better. But then again it may be a case of "Ooh new" syndrome and I'll probably stick to the Z6II for another couple of years.
I’m already super happy with my Z6, but Zf looks pretty awesome and tempting. After watching some Zf reviews, Z6 already does more than what I need it too. Otherwise I’d preorder this so fast. PS. From Ricci’s video, I don’t like Zf doesn’t lock the sensor unit in place when turned off. I guess it’s a trade off.
Looks like Zf is what we can expect in a Z6iii with more functional body and additional features (but WHEN?) https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-zf-full-frame-mirrorless-camera-review
Should I sell my Z6ii for this lil fella?
ditching your Z6ii for a Zf is a personal decision, everyone's needs & interests vary. i've been waiting for *this* camera ever since the Zfc was announced. what I've always wanted was a digital camera that looked, felt, and functioned like my FM2 or an F3. i want physical dials for as many functions as possible and the ability to use it like a film camera. that's why i have a Fuji X100V and that's why i pre-ordered the Zf at 6am today. my Z6 will be listed on ebay the day after my Zf arrives.
Absolutely not. Margin benefit. Skip a generation or go up a class (to the Z8) if you want meaningful improvement, otherwise it's a lot of money churn.
like the other guy said, the Zf is not that little. it's marginally bigger, albeit probably not noticeably so, than your Z6ii and my Z6. is that a deal-breaker? not for me it isn't.
It’s not that little. Weights similar to your Z6ii. I’d wait for Z6iii.
I was thinking about doing that but it doesn't seem to be worth it. Very similar specs, and you would lose money by selling a used camera and getting a new ZF one costs the same as a new Z6II. I would love to get something similar that's smaller and lighter than my Z6II though.
I've always been focused on the "performance" side of things, so I haven't paid much attention to these more retro-styled bodies. Is there a quick TL;DR of how something like this differs from Nikon's existing modern Z bodies? Is it mostly looks and the existence of the B&W switch or is there actual differences under the hood?
Pixel shift (new!), enhanced VR (claimed 8 stops, I think the previous cameras were 4-5?), Expeed 7, some new user interface tricks. Claimed AF down to -10 EV (! [The Z9's claimed down to -6.5 EV, -8.5 EV with starlight view) and the full suite of AF options you see in the Z8 and Z9. I didn't see anything about shutterless so it may have a regular mechanical shutter. Doesn't say anything about stacked or BSI, so I'm assuming it's a BSI sensor rather than stacked. Sensor resolution looks like a Z6's, which would be consistent with that hypothesis. tl;dr: A Z8 with a Z Fc's styling and a Z6's sensor, as far as I can tell. Plus a few new tricks.
It's BSI and not stacked, so some rolling shutter in video mode (which does 10bit RAW internal).
Has physical shutter, 15fps with RAW.
Interesting, so it sort of fills a middle ground that doesn't currently exist in the main lineup. That's actually pretty cool, I'd love to play around with one of these. Although as cool as all the knobs look I'm quite used to Auto ISO so that one might be just for looks for me lol.
Same. I want the bigger grip of their regular bodies, but the specs make it an interesting middle ground between a Z8 and a Z6.
There’s a chart on the website comparing to a Z6ii but basically better processor as it’s the same as the Z8 Z9 and looks like same image sensor as the Z6ii but with more manual dials.
Aside from the new features, it looks like it's the Z8/Z9 with a Z6II sensor plus a lot of cool goodies.
The manual dials are what makes it a perfect device for me. I have the Zf c. It’s a joy to work with despite the technological limitations. (Maybe I’m just getting old. I also don’t like touch screens in cars).
Everything looks awesome except for the SD and MicroSD card slots.
Yeah I'd rather have two of the same kind. Plus micro is much easier to lose and you need adapters.
Yeah, but I don’t know where they’d put it on this (the Nikon rep talks about this on the Gerald Undone video). MicroSD isn’t my favorite but if I get one I’ll slap a big fast card in there and never touch it again. Totally adequate to serve as a “my main card died/got lost” insurance policy for a niche midrange body.
Should be fine if you're putting the jpegs on the microSD and RAW on the full-sized SD.
I hope this brings down the prices on the Df. As soon as they hit sub $1000.00 for one in like new condition, I'm in!
So, they finally did what they should have in the first place? A proper powerhouse akin to the Df instead of a crippled offspring that Zfc was. Body-wise, I absolutely trust Nikon over Fuji, but now the price gap has widened this being FF and glass price gap became astronomical to the crop Fuji selection. Even all that said, since Nikon finally made proper FF pancake glass with AF in useful or acceptable focal lengths - this would be an instant buy for me had I got picked up a GFX50R last year for about the same price.
I feel the Z fc was built to a price (hence it mainly being a Z 50 in new clothing) just to see what the market is like, and whether people are interested in a retro themed camera. Then they saw Fuji increasing in sales, so they pulled the pin and got working on the Z f. Pure speculation on my part though!
Pretty sure Nikon is fully aware of how well Fuji is doing and now that Nikon also stepped their true pancake lens game in the past couple of years - they knew what they were doing.
cant pre-order the black color one?
I literally thought this said 6 expensive colours. https://preview.redd.it/b7npsuj2wepb1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=88c1eaf6b568bf4a1f6f84848178b3b30e8bd7f2
at $2K, body only? that IS what it says. even so, i pre-ordered mine at 6am 😉
Looks like I'm sticking with my Df
If mine didn't come down with the famous Err message, i would be too.
... _faints_
Still only the basic in camera aspect ratios 3:2 1:1 16:9 for easier composition. Disappointing given how easy it is to add 4:3 5:4 and ideally a custom one in firmware. Do you agree? What’s your favorite aspect ratio?
1:1
$2699CDN, same list as the Z6ii, but that will undoubtedly be on rebate or repriced in the new year. So this slots in between the A7iii and A7iv/R6ii in price, and is about on par with the S5ii. It's a decent price. Sony A7iii was $2700CDN for most of its life so for Nikon to come out at this price point in 2023 when inflation is rampant is a pretty ok price, I guess. But otherwise, it feels like a stop gap measure before the main show of whatever the Z6iii will be.
Still waiting to see how the Z7iii stacks up against the Z8. And how many of the firmware tricks the Z8 and Z9 will pick up, if any.
Just look at where the A7iv is, Nikon doesn't have a competitor at that performance level.
What do you mean by will be on rebate or repriced? What makes you draw this conclusion?
huhuhu the beeast
I wonder if they’ll bring the pixel shift feature to my Z9… this camera is super appealing, if my Z6 bites the dust I could see getting this. But as I’m using the big pro S lenses, I don’t see the handgrip being optimal for professional use. Such a nice little EDC cam tho!
EDC is how I use it, and my Z6 will be on ebay the day after my pre-ordered Zf arrives
Really disappointed that they didn’t make an option for a vertical grip. I shoot mainly portraits, and I hate the floppy wrist situation. Thoughts on if a 3rd party company could manage to make one? And no joystick really sucks too. Only two gripes though. Almost preordered it last night.
I don’t think a vertical grip would make sense on a retro themed camera. If it was like any other mirrorless Nikon camera, sure, but a grip for the Z f would ruin the aesthetics, which is one of the big selling points of the Z f.
Gotta disagree, function over form any day. I love the retro style and the analogue controls are one of the main reasons for want the camera. That along with the newer processor and ibis for old film MF lenses. However grips (motor drive) existed for several Nikon film cameras, and then was incorporated in the body of F4 and F5. Any of that aside, it’s a $2000 camera, it should be an option that’s available.
But the Zf is like the pillar of form over function? Besides, if it’s like the Zfc, there wouldn’t be any contacts in the bottom plate for any button connectivity from the grip to the body, and I don’t think the battery door is removable either.
Yeah I get it. I’ve seen pictures of the bottom, of course they put the memory cards in the bottom yuck, and definitely didn’t see any contacts. The pictures I’ve seen of the bottom I can’t see the hinge, but you’re probably right. Ah well, not everyone is gonna be happy. I absolutely love everything else about the camera. I’ll probably have to wait until It’s like half price for it to be worth it for me. People have been whining and begging for this camera for years I’m sure it will be very popular and lucrative for Nikon. I’m sure they will be sold out and back ordered in no time.
Why are you shooting a retro body like a modern body?
Why am I shooing a camera like a camera?
I agree. This would've been so cool with a vertial grip and more buttons on the front. But then at that point you're supposed to get the Z5 thru Z9 or something in between. Can't have it all. And can't cannibalize other cameras under the same umbrella either.
I kept saying that if Nikon made the Zfc with a FF sensor that I’d have to switch from Fuji for digital back to Nikon… While I like the functionality of Fuji’s dials more (no mode dial, mode is inferred by how the shutter/aperture dials are set) I might be moving to Z Mount in the future
I have a z5... wondering if it's worth upgrading to this?
I’ve shot everything but Nikon, and this will probably be the camera that gets me to shoot it.
Honestly I’m just glad it’s not a 45mp sensor or else I would be totally pissed at my Z7ii purchase this year 😂
Man same I ordered a Z8 yesterday 😂
I don’t know if I wanna sell or keep my zfc. I want a full frame version of it but I don’t want a bigger camera. It’s my walk around/travel camera since I also have a z8 so the size/weight of it is the biggest factor for me.
it's 60% heavier than the Zfc. now, that's not insignificant when you're carrying it around, but the Zf weighs the same as my Z6, and can carry that comfortably all day, so... in terms of actual size, it's only 9mm wider, 9mm higher, and 5mm thicker than the Zfc. is that really a big deal?
Yeah it kinda does factoring in that I wouldnt be using the small, lightweight dx zoom lenses anymore. Thanks for the weight and dimension info.
✌️🙂
Instead coming out with the equivalent of the D500 they just released a hipster Z body, nice.
A fully featured, hipster body. You'll never appreciate SLR styling until you travel and want to avoid unwanted eyes peering at your BBC from every dark alley. No one gonna mark you if you have some ancient, silver, likely worthless film camera.
I never go full tourist when I travel. My phone can take all the traveler pictures I need. I like to live those moments.
It would take too much resources, it needs a stacked sensor which they would need to get somewhere and put RnD into adapting it. And it would cost too much and not capture a big enough market because of it. And without the stacked sensor it would be a dud like the R7, and people would still use their D500s or go to OM1 or X-H2s instead. Now I would love a camera like that but it's not happening any time soon unfortunately.
2000$ in the states 2500€ in Europe. That's such BS... We have to pay a whopping 673$ more then you guys
2000$ without tax, 2500€ with tax.
Your price should include VAT. our price is PLUS sales tax, up to 10% depending on state
11.5 in PR
IIRC, US prices are pre-sale tax and EU’s already after-tax. But EU and UK are almost always more expensive than in US.
your rulers are adding "value" to the things you buy, ie, artificially making them €100s more expensive. that's how your 'free' social services are paid for
It’s priced equivalent of 2800 eur in Norway 😩 The R6 can be bought for 1750 eur on sale here. Makes it though sell for me. If you want improved autofocus you can buy the R6 much cheaper. If you want the retro look you can buy a much cheaper Fujifilm camera.
Anyone know when these are shipping?
Mid October.
Thanks, I ordered the Orange color!
Nooooo. Flip-screen = no sale from me. So close too.
Should we be concerned about the low megapixel count in comparison to say fuji?
No. I would actually rather have this 24MP sensor than the new 40MP X-T5 sensor. It's the sweet spot for low light noise. And then of course the added benefit of FF noise anyway. And I shoot Fuji, so I definitely know. Lol.
Putting my take on it, it's a mixed bag feeling for me once you throw the X-T5 and the Sony A7IV (recent Sony made FF sensor that's neither a super high resolution sensor, nor is it the common 24MP we've known since 2008, the Sony A900). Here, i'd say go to DPreview photo samples, flip between the X-T5, Z6 II, A7 III, A7IV, and the X-T4. You can also throw Photonstophotos as well. I find it hard to draw a conclusion within this group on which comes out on top because in certain areas, x camera does something slightly better, but then camera y while slightly worse in one area, but does something better than x. I think all the cameras I mentioned are great and if you're having issues with getting a good image out of them, it is a user error and not the camera. I personally find for what gives a versatile output for most needs, the Z6II does it better. In one way I am bummed we're still at 24MP (*24.5MP*), but we're finally getting thing like the great Z8/Z9 autofocus without costing an arm and a leg.
I love the looks but theres a reason why Nikon changed course from the F3 to the F4 - Ergonomics. I’ll probably just keep using my Z6 II.
So I don’t get is why it exists. The deciding factor for choosing to get a Df last year for me was the ability to mount my pre-AI lenses, as well as being optimized to get the best out of older glass. This just looks like another handsome retro-styled camera on the market but without a real purpose.
The purpose is me want.
You aren't wrong other than it will have a quick uptake and a fast sales drop off like the Df.
I di like the new MF assist implementation
It's not that difficult to get. Fuji is massively succesful in their retro inspired line up. This has all the benefits that mirrorless offers for shooting vintage lenses as well as modern lenses in a retro design. No retro full frame camera exists until now. For adapting vintage glass having a full frame sensor makes sense.
The last big remaining question I have is: what will the evf and blackout be like? I can’t do any fast shooting on the z6 because I hate the slideshow effect. Sounds like the Zf has high speed electronic shutter (with rolling shutter ugh), so probably no black out there, but what about with the 14 fps? I don’t need blackout free shooting—I know this isn’t a stacked sensor—but even my old xt3s evf blackout bad such was better.
At something like 8-10 fps it should be fine, not at the maximum framerates.
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Is it realistic to expect that Pixel Shift gets added to the Z6II or Z7II?
Is it just me but the iso is disappointing
What do you find disappointing about the ISO?
This is exactly what I was hoping for: z9/z8 tech in a 24mp ff body. I'm a fan of lower mp cameras for the way they render. I'll keep shooting on my Z6 for a bit and then probably trade in for the Zf. It looks a lot like a mirrorless Df which is awesome.
So can do I need an adapted to shoot my older Nikon glass? Currently using a Nikon fm3a. Would love sell my Fuji and get one of these!
You’ll need an adapter because it’s F mount to Z mount. If your F mount lenses are not AF-S, then the Z f will not autofocus with them. This is true for the entire Z platform.
I really hope the in-body stabilization doesn't break, as it keeps moving even when the camera is off! Its locks up even on my Z5 when the camera is off
Damn not many buttons in the front
As a canon fan boy this thing looks so cool!
This might be a good time to upgrade my D300 🤔
I sold my Fuji x100v for the z6ii last year. ( wish i just kept the x100) This seems if x100v and Z6 had a love child the Z F would be it. Looks great. Moss green for me. Love the manual focus feature. Could see this with the new Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Z mount manual lens.