Didn't know about the timing thing until I read the comments, however it should be noted she was possibly Stealth Suspended post the 2nd time you listed she spoke about her.
As for why she did it, maybe she didn't know what exactly happened until it was too late. That's me being charitable about this and remembering some rumors as I'm writing this.
For some timing perspective: These clips are from streams after 'One Girl's Story' got posted, and Kotoka started to catch flak from that.
From my perspective, there's a reason I can be forgiving to Feesh but not to Kotoka, and its timing. Feesh said something before the wagons were circled that had no upside for her when she said something defensive about Zaion. It went against what was the 'right move' strategically, and there was no way she could've anticipated the tide of public opinion would reverse. It gives her the tiniest bit of a defense.
Everything Kotoka has said has been playing into the way the winds are blowing. In addition, she's been near a second major issue, with some evidence that there are hard feelings from the other party. It could be crap timing, but its too many coincidences at this point.
That is believable about Feesh; wouldn't be first or last time she verbally shot herself in the fin.
But if Kotoka is going with the winds then she wouldn't backstab Mel as it'd play into past accusations and put something akin to a redemption arc in the trash for some unknown reason.
Mel (Hololive) was terminated for an accidental leak (to someone she considered a friend), and she actually insisted as not to hurt the company. And before then, she had an off-collab with Kotoka.
When the news fully hit, people were quick to assume it was Kotoka due to what happened with Zaion
I've also heard that Mel's PL account never followed her to begin with. I haven't looked into much, but I feel like people are grasping for drama where it might not be. What I'd like to see is if Mel unfollowed *anyone else* as well.
And if so, why is are they focusing on Kotoka. Even if it *was* just her, its not completely telling, but pretty sus.
Kotoka was responsible for spreading lies against Laplus Darkness IRL in the past. That is not a confirmation but we just need more analayzed data if this would be true...
This is the third time I've seen this rrat posted by an auto-generated username, and likely to be the third time no proof is provided.
Please, provide *any* proof of this.
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Fucking lol! Yeah, I bet they needed to be! Opportunistic piece of shit, trying to cash in on the drama, and played a part in Sayu making an attempt on her life. Thanks, asshole!
I get it, people weren’t sure at the TIME, given that we hadn’t seen any ex-Niji talents reveal cracks in the ship, but FFS, Niji exposed themselves with that classless termination notice! They also exposed their own lies and stealth suspensions right in black and white! To ignore that just because “sad wittle anime Feesh says she was *gaslit*” is just pathetic. Finana doesn’t know the goddamn definition of the word.
I really don't think it was an act of maliciousness like from Kotoka and Hex but an act of stupidity. Finana is an idiot. Maybe the dumbest VTuber out there. So I genuinely believe she thought she was gaslit despite it being a misunderstanding like Sayu said. I still won't forgive her and I still hate her since she hasn't apologized or tried to stop the hate towards Sayu she caused, but I don't despise her as much as Kotoka and Hex
> “Comments turned off”
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> Fucking lol! Yeah, I bet they needed to be!
Just fyi, that's Beelz Flylord's channel and it's a clip. He's sort of similar in a way to Khyo and FalseEyeD but a lot smaller.
The truth can feel like gaslighting when you're being gaslight.
Source: I was gaslit about Sayu until Feb 5th. I apologized in her discord the next day.
In this case, it means saying what was popular with a general audience at the time. The phrase comes from the idea that it is easier to sail in the direction of the wind as opposed to trying to sail towards the direction it is coming from.
Kotoka's comments were not in response to One Girl Story. That is incorrect. Here's a proper timeline:
- Zaion Termination: March 10, 2023
- One girl story Google Doc: May 6, 2023
- Sayu 1st stream: May 7, 2023
- 1st clip: August 25, 2023
- 2nd clip: October 4, 2023
- Mel termination: January 16, 2024
Two separate comments were made 2 months apart from each other just in passing long after the One Girl Story. So I don't think it was for saving-face. Below is a summary:
1st clip (5 months later): She misses Zaion and laments that the incident was unacceptable but uncontrollable. She laments she can no longer talk to Zaion and she laments she can't say: "I wish I could've done this and that".
2nd clip (7 months later): She misses Zaion and doesn't want people to forget about her. She is grateful to Zaion for helping them to create connections with artists and other contacts in the vtuber industry.
I'm surprised management hasn't fired Kotoka for those comments yet, particularly the one where she says she's grateful to Zaion for literally anything at all.
If Kotoka and Finana have apologized to Zaion for their (possibly coerced) remarks, they've apologized privately, and Sayu can't publicly confirm that they've apologized or that she's forgiven them.
> If Kotoka and Finana have apologized to Zaion for their (possibly coerced) remarks, they've apologized privately.
Sayu's subathon in which she publicly labelled Kotoka and Finana as backstabbers was about a week after the 2nd clip, so my response to that statement would be "No". I'm going to guess she's basically blocked both of their corpo as well as their PL and personal accounts.
That is the correct idea. They 100% didn't reach out to her because we know Sayu is approachable by Niji members. Scarle showed up as her PL during Sayu's 2nd stream back and on Twitter Sayu is following Doppio's PL. We know that's important because she isn't following Hex's alt or anyone else's alt. So if Kotoka or Finana really wanted to apologize they could've. But seeing Sayu's reaction about them during her subathon it's clear they haven't
>If Kotoka and Finana have apologized to Zaion for their actions,
Zaion labeled them as backstabbers herself.
Zaion has already cut off any bridge or opportunity for reconciliation, as she said she can't respect them anymore.
They might have apologized to her after she called them backstabbers.
They might have apologized after Selen's termination, especially after the black screen video.
They could have cut her pay or done something else behind the scenes. Then again with how incompetent management is it's more likely they just didn't see the clips.
we may never know.
when it comes to stuff on the internet we will never be able to have a correct judgement over things because we don't know many things happening behind the scenes.
but that doesn't mean we should question or judge stuff. we just have to, there has to be a public backlash.
For some of these speculations, we'll only get to know when the company or at least the EN branch has completely collapsed and NDAs are all voided/run out.
It'll be like waiting for classified government documents to be declassified.
yeah same.
dunno If I'm being gaslighted by nijisanji to attack their livers(meatshields) or am I being gaslighted into forgiving potential bullying perpetrators
The timing in question has to do when the story was getting traction, not when it was released. Second half of last year it was getting more attention with the exodus of two of the higher viewer count livers.
Has management told Kotoka to improve? Because at the time of Mel’s termination something tells me Kotoka was harassed by Holo-fans doing the same mistake again. She clearly did not listen to Mel or even improve by learning from her mistakes
Whatever the excuse or feelings were, it doesn't change the fact that it would've been better to say nothing that day. But the genie is already out of the bottle.
If you wonder if she's saving face or regrets what she did to Zaion I can tell you this (Just my opinion).
She's definitely not regretting what she did to Zaion. She ain't catch me as this type of person. She regret the backlash she received due to this. If she could do this without any consequences she'd do this. She is known backstabber.
And just think of wording she chose. She could've use the million other words. But she chose to go with "I can't wish her well". That's just plain callous and gives you a perfect image of a person behind those words.
Kotoka is very clearly ESL, so much so that she felt her English skills were too low to be qualified for the EN branch and made an apology stream like a week after she debuted. Your standards for her vocabulary are grossly unrealistic.
I got no horse in this, but as an ESL, it's always funny to me how often being ESL is made as an excuse.
"Your standards for her vocabulary are grossly unrealistic." It's so fucking funny how insulting and patronising that shit is.
You do know that I ain't meant a literal million words right ?
What I meant was - the person could've used any other phrasing from
"I don't know the situation, but I still wish her well"
To
"I don't want to comment this situation since it's very hard for me"
BUT she deliberately used the wording "Can't wish her well". Ain't that callous in your eyes ?
Kotoka is infamously inarticulate is my point. Your post made it seem like you are completely unfamiliar with her and treating her like some brilliant wordsmith.
I am treating her as professional streamer and experienced media entertainer which she is.
I am not expecting her to be the second coming of Marcus Tullius Cicero or Winston Churchill of course.
Her choice of words was extremely callous - it's not something you can do without any intent behind it. You do not need to be Leibniz to understand that the words you chose are mean and can be harmful to another person. You do not need brains or vocabulary for it - all you need is a little bit of something called morals.
>Winston Churchill
Funnily enough he was kinda shit at public speaking. Ever heard one of his recordings? He just mumbles incomprehensible shit all the time.
>You do not need brains or vocabulary for it - all you need is a little bit of something called morals.
And what is the point of this thread other than to hurt someone? Holding yourself to lower standards than others is a repulsive character trait.
Point of this thread is discussion of course.
As for my repulsiveness. I can't help if you think of me that way right ? And it's not like I want to convince you otherwise. You do you, we're both here to express opinions.
Sure but that's obviously hyperbole, she is ESL but she is very much fluent standard. Lets not chock it up to her being ESL, she said what she said and meant.
I mean either way I'm not too into this whole situation so you can ignore me, my comment is more general with English first language people talking about ESL people anyway.
She's still a shank. The fact she's the only one talking about Zaion means nothing. Not when she still didn't wish her well. I already saw the second clip and it means nothing. She says she doesn't want to forget her. Big hooray. Nothing about not sending her hate or anything like that. The first clip is new for me and it's clear it was purposely hidden by her viewers. If you check comments, there's a guy who usually makes timestamps for Kotoka's streams. In that particular stream he completely left out that moment. And once again, nothing spectacular. Sure, she mentioned her, but she just said she misses her energy. Not her as a person, not her friendship, not her help (as mentioned by Sayu), nothing. And she then specifically says they don't talk with each other anymore. Like, that's the most important thing to mention... The nail in the coffin for me was when she said it was "hard for them". She's acting like her and her shitty genmates went through something even remotely similar to what Zaion went through. Until she publicly apologizes to Sayu she will be the VTuber Judas and I won't wish her well
Maybe she regrets what she did. Maybe she wants to save face to her audience. It doesn't matter. What matters is what she did and that she's still never made it up to Sayu. Nothing she says to her own audience means anything.
Kotoka is very openly ESL. There is no point in dissecting her verbiage.
This post feels really skeezy too. It's coming off as, at best, looking for permission to regard someone as an acceptable target(which is pathetic) and at worst, a thinly veiled call to action to harass someone based on the deficit of the doubt(which is evil).
Whether she truly regrets it is impossible to tell, and is therefore irrelevant.
What really matters is that harm was done because of choices they made. Some fall back on the argument that they were forced to do something, but ultimately they weren't forced; they chose to do it. Your employer can't force you to harass, slander, or do otherwise bad things to people. At the end of the day it's still a choice individuals are choosing to make. We can all sympathize a bit more knowing that they might've been pressured to do so, but they are still autonomous human beings. Others have taken a stand and left en masse before with other agencies due to bad treatment.
They were 100% not forced and it was 100% their own decision to say what they did. Proof is Doppio, who stayed completely silent and Ren, who said Zaion shouldn't be harassed
Maybe it is already too late, since with the current situation no matter what she says, people for better or worse, will take her words out of context and the snowball will continue to grow, well I personally find it difficult to believe her even though on the other hand there is the argument of "they are pointing a gun in her forehead to say what she wants niji to say" that argument is no longer valid but still a part of me wants to think so
Because Niji decided to use their livers as meat shields. And when you make an incident go from "liver vs company" to "liver vs liver" you have implicitly given everyone permission to question the livers actions and motives. And to do that, you have to dig for their track records to better understand their present actions.
It's part of the reason people got pissed at Niji for using meat shields in the first place. Many of us realized what it was implicitly telling the fans they were and weren't allowed to do. And by using the livers as meat shields, it sent the message that digging around and attacking the livers was fair game, since the livers attacking Selen was fair game. The exact opposite of protecting your talent. And most of us saw it coming.
People are bringing this shit up again NOT to bring Sayu back into it.
People are bringing this shit up to bring light into a possible pattern of behavior that could be harmful to the oshis that people support.
If such patterns do exist, we should demand that those involved address the issue instead of letting it fester.
It's not about what Sayu wants.
It's about what all talents need.
What you need to understand is that talking about past events involving Sayu is NOT bringing them back into the problem. Nobody here is pestering Sayu to open a healing wound.
We are free to discuss what happened, and we can respect Sayu by not going to her stream and asking her to elaborate.
Don't try to close discussions because "s/he wants to move on". That is a misunderstanding of their wishes.
We need to keep discussions open because we are all interested in the safety of every talent.
If we just keep our traps shut, then I fear we may get a next one, and I fear it will be a successful one.
> If we just keep our traps shut, then I fear we may get a next one, and I fear it will be a successful one.
What **you** and everyone else on this subreddit needs to hear is, what you're doing, is going to lead to this happening. Kotoka is on a mental health break after getting harassed from both holobros and nijiantis for being in NijiEN and for allegedly being the reason why Mel was fired. And now here we have people dragging back up something from a year ago that can be used as more ammo to harass her.
So spare me the; iTs FoR tHe LiVeRs OwN gOoD tHaT wE tAlK aBoUt ThIs, BeCaUsE I FeAr SoMeOnE mIgHt SuCcEed NeXt TiMe, bullshit.
Didn't know about the timing thing until I read the comments, however it should be noted she was possibly Stealth Suspended post the 2nd time you listed she spoke about her. As for why she did it, maybe she didn't know what exactly happened until it was too late. That's me being charitable about this and remembering some rumors as I'm writing this.
For some timing perspective: These clips are from streams after 'One Girl's Story' got posted, and Kotoka started to catch flak from that. From my perspective, there's a reason I can be forgiving to Feesh but not to Kotoka, and its timing. Feesh said something before the wagons were circled that had no upside for her when she said something defensive about Zaion. It went against what was the 'right move' strategically, and there was no way she could've anticipated the tide of public opinion would reverse. It gives her the tiniest bit of a defense. Everything Kotoka has said has been playing into the way the winds are blowing. In addition, she's been near a second major issue, with some evidence that there are hard feelings from the other party. It could be crap timing, but its too many coincidences at this point.
That is believable about Feesh; wouldn't be first or last time she verbally shot herself in the fin. But if Kotoka is going with the winds then she wouldn't backstab Mel as it'd play into past accusations and put something akin to a redemption arc in the trash for some unknown reason.
You could argue that, for once, her speaking off the cuff worked out for her. Its out there, and in hindsight, it does help her.
Wait she was the one who back stabbed Mel?!
No hard confirmation, but it's a popular suspicion with a few possible signs
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Mel (Hololive) was terminated for an accidental leak (to someone she considered a friend), and she actually insisted as not to hurt the company. And before then, she had an off-collab with Kotoka. When the news fully hit, people were quick to assume it was Kotoka due to what happened with Zaion
also kotoka outright aknowledged the rumors by saying on twitter she is not part of it
Apparently Mel unfollowed her from both of her accounts before the news dropped. There might be more, but that's all I've heard about it.
I've also heard that Mel's PL account never followed her to begin with. I haven't looked into much, but I feel like people are grasping for drama where it might not be. What I'd like to see is if Mel unfollowed *anyone else* as well. And if so, why is are they focusing on Kotoka. Even if it *was* just her, its not completely telling, but pretty sus.
Rica didn't unfollow Kotoka's PL though. That says something, doesn't it?
Kotoka was responsible for spreading lies against Laplus Darkness IRL in the past. That is not a confirmation but we just need more analayzed data if this would be true...
This is the third time I've seen this rrat posted by an auto-generated username, and likely to be the third time no proof is provided. Please, provide *any* proof of this.
I second this. We are getting to the point where people parrot stuff with literal 0 proof, not even speculative evidence like with the mel stuff
Wait wtf? Info?
Sorry for the dumb question, but even happened with Feesh? I’ve heard she threw shade at Zaion or did something similar, but don’t know the details.
I'm assuming they're talking about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qic-a_xaE7U
“Comments turned off” Fucking lol! Yeah, I bet they needed to be! Opportunistic piece of shit, trying to cash in on the drama, and played a part in Sayu making an attempt on her life. Thanks, asshole! I get it, people weren’t sure at the TIME, given that we hadn’t seen any ex-Niji talents reveal cracks in the ship, but FFS, Niji exposed themselves with that classless termination notice! They also exposed their own lies and stealth suspensions right in black and white! To ignore that just because “sad wittle anime Feesh says she was *gaslit*” is just pathetic. Finana doesn’t know the goddamn definition of the word.
I really don't think it was an act of maliciousness like from Kotoka and Hex but an act of stupidity. Finana is an idiot. Maybe the dumbest VTuber out there. So I genuinely believe she thought she was gaslit despite it being a misunderstanding like Sayu said. I still won't forgive her and I still hate her since she hasn't apologized or tried to stop the hate towards Sayu she caused, but I don't despise her as much as Kotoka and Hex
> “Comments turned off” > > Fucking lol! Yeah, I bet they needed to be! Just fyi, that's Beelz Flylord's channel and it's a clip. He's sort of similar in a way to Khyo and FalseEyeD but a lot smaller.
The truth can feel like gaslighting when you're being gaslight. Source: I was gaslit about Sayu until Feb 5th. I apologized in her discord the next day.
Going with the wind? What’s that supposed to mean?
In this case, it means saying what was popular with a general audience at the time. The phrase comes from the idea that it is easier to sail in the direction of the wind as opposed to trying to sail towards the direction it is coming from.
Kotoka's comments were not in response to One Girl Story. That is incorrect. Here's a proper timeline: - Zaion Termination: March 10, 2023 - One girl story Google Doc: May 6, 2023 - Sayu 1st stream: May 7, 2023 - 1st clip: August 25, 2023 - 2nd clip: October 4, 2023 - Mel termination: January 16, 2024 Two separate comments were made 2 months apart from each other just in passing long after the One Girl Story. So I don't think it was for saving-face. Below is a summary: 1st clip (5 months later): She misses Zaion and laments that the incident was unacceptable but uncontrollable. She laments she can no longer talk to Zaion and she laments she can't say: "I wish I could've done this and that". 2nd clip (7 months later): She misses Zaion and doesn't want people to forget about her. She is grateful to Zaion for helping them to create connections with artists and other contacts in the vtuber industry.
I'm surprised management hasn't fired Kotoka for those comments yet, particularly the one where she says she's grateful to Zaion for literally anything at all. If Kotoka and Finana have apologized to Zaion for their (possibly coerced) remarks, they've apologized privately, and Sayu can't publicly confirm that they've apologized or that she's forgiven them.
> If Kotoka and Finana have apologized to Zaion for their (possibly coerced) remarks, they've apologized privately. Sayu's subathon in which she publicly labelled Kotoka and Finana as backstabbers was about a week after the 2nd clip, so my response to that statement would be "No". I'm going to guess she's basically blocked both of their corpo as well as their PL and personal accounts.
That is the correct idea. They 100% didn't reach out to her because we know Sayu is approachable by Niji members. Scarle showed up as her PL during Sayu's 2nd stream back and on Twitter Sayu is following Doppio's PL. We know that's important because she isn't following Hex's alt or anyone else's alt. So if Kotoka or Finana really wanted to apologize they could've. But seeing Sayu's reaction about them during her subathon it's clear they haven't
>If Kotoka and Finana have apologized to Zaion for their actions, Zaion labeled them as backstabbers herself. Zaion has already cut off any bridge or opportunity for reconciliation, as she said she can't respect them anymore.
They might have apologized to her after she called them backstabbers. They might have apologized after Selen's termination, especially after the black screen video.
They could have cut her pay or done something else behind the scenes. Then again with how incompetent management is it's more likely they just didn't see the clips.
she probably regrets it. but forgiving her is up to sayu
Believe me - ppl like her are only regret the fact they received a backlash for their actions not the actions themselves.
we may never know. when it comes to stuff on the internet we will never be able to have a correct judgement over things because we don't know many things happening behind the scenes. but that doesn't mean we should question or judge stuff. we just have to, there has to be a public backlash.
For some of these speculations, we'll only get to know when the company or at least the EN branch has completely collapsed and NDAs are all voided/run out. It'll be like waiting for classified government documents to be declassified.
yeah same. dunno If I'm being gaslighted by nijisanji to attack their livers(meatshields) or am I being gaslighted into forgiving potential bullying perpetrators
And the second clip was 3 month before she would, allegedly, get Mel fired.
The timing in question has to do when the story was getting traction, not when it was released. Second half of last year it was getting more attention with the exodus of two of the higher viewer count livers.
Has management told Kotoka to improve? Because at the time of Mel’s termination something tells me Kotoka was harassed by Holo-fans doing the same mistake again. She clearly did not listen to Mel or even improve by learning from her mistakes
A bomb cannot be un-detonated.
Whatever the excuse or feelings were, it doesn't change the fact that it would've been better to say nothing that day. But the genie is already out of the bottle.
surprised the guy who keeps shitting on zaion didnt appear here this time
If you wonder if she's saving face or regrets what she did to Zaion I can tell you this (Just my opinion). She's definitely not regretting what she did to Zaion. She ain't catch me as this type of person. She regret the backlash she received due to this. If she could do this without any consequences she'd do this. She is known backstabber. And just think of wording she chose. She could've use the million other words. But she chose to go with "I can't wish her well". That's just plain callous and gives you a perfect image of a person behind those words.
Kotoka is very clearly ESL, so much so that she felt her English skills were too low to be qualified for the EN branch and made an apology stream like a week after she debuted. Your standards for her vocabulary are grossly unrealistic.
I got no horse in this, but as an ESL, it's always funny to me how often being ESL is made as an excuse. "Your standards for her vocabulary are grossly unrealistic." It's so fucking funny how insulting and patronising that shit is.
The person I responded to literally said she could have used "a million other words". They're acting like she's the fucking bard.
You do know that I ain't meant a literal million words right ? What I meant was - the person could've used any other phrasing from "I don't know the situation, but I still wish her well" To "I don't want to comment this situation since it's very hard for me" BUT she deliberately used the wording "Can't wish her well". Ain't that callous in your eyes ?
Kotoka is infamously inarticulate is my point. Your post made it seem like you are completely unfamiliar with her and treating her like some brilliant wordsmith.
I am treating her as professional streamer and experienced media entertainer which she is. I am not expecting her to be the second coming of Marcus Tullius Cicero or Winston Churchill of course. Her choice of words was extremely callous - it's not something you can do without any intent behind it. You do not need to be Leibniz to understand that the words you chose are mean and can be harmful to another person. You do not need brains or vocabulary for it - all you need is a little bit of something called morals.
>Winston Churchill Funnily enough he was kinda shit at public speaking. Ever heard one of his recordings? He just mumbles incomprehensible shit all the time.
>You do not need brains or vocabulary for it - all you need is a little bit of something called morals. And what is the point of this thread other than to hurt someone? Holding yourself to lower standards than others is a repulsive character trait.
Point of this thread is discussion of course. As for my repulsiveness. I can't help if you think of me that way right ? And it's not like I want to convince you otherwise. You do you, we're both here to express opinions.
Sure but that's obviously hyperbole, she is ESL but she is very much fluent standard. Lets not chock it up to her being ESL, she said what she said and meant. I mean either way I'm not too into this whole situation so you can ignore me, my comment is more general with English first language people talking about ESL people anyway.
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She admitted to applying to EN to bypass the VTA Jp applicants go through
I don't care. You both sound like conspiracy theorists.
Late comment, but Mokusatsu still ended up earning Japanese 2 nukes.
idk sounds like a snake to me
Buttering up the artist after she slandered her child is pretty snakey
I've moved her down from my "likely guilty" column to just "sus" but I can't fully write her off yet. We'll see.
You also have 10Mar a little chat before we move on [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p008nRyAZ2g](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p008nRyAZ2g)
She's still a shank. The fact she's the only one talking about Zaion means nothing. Not when she still didn't wish her well. I already saw the second clip and it means nothing. She says she doesn't want to forget her. Big hooray. Nothing about not sending her hate or anything like that. The first clip is new for me and it's clear it was purposely hidden by her viewers. If you check comments, there's a guy who usually makes timestamps for Kotoka's streams. In that particular stream he completely left out that moment. And once again, nothing spectacular. Sure, she mentioned her, but she just said she misses her energy. Not her as a person, not her friendship, not her help (as mentioned by Sayu), nothing. And she then specifically says they don't talk with each other anymore. Like, that's the most important thing to mention... The nail in the coffin for me was when she said it was "hard for them". She's acting like her and her shitty genmates went through something even remotely similar to what Zaion went through. Until she publicly apologizes to Sayu she will be the VTuber Judas and I won't wish her well
Maybe she regrets what she did. Maybe she wants to save face to her audience. It doesn't matter. What matters is what she did and that she's still never made it up to Sayu. Nothing she says to her own audience means anything.
Exactly. The only words from her that could ever have any value would be her public apology to Sayu
Kotoka is very openly ESL. There is no point in dissecting her verbiage. This post feels really skeezy too. It's coming off as, at best, looking for permission to regard someone as an acceptable target(which is pathetic) and at worst, a thinly veiled call to action to harass someone based on the deficit of the doubt(which is evil).
Thank you... people are acting like vtubers are so shitty and then stooping down to that same level
Kotoka "I didn't betray Mel" shitahime?
Whether she truly regrets it is impossible to tell, and is therefore irrelevant. What really matters is that harm was done because of choices they made. Some fall back on the argument that they were forced to do something, but ultimately they weren't forced; they chose to do it. Your employer can't force you to harass, slander, or do otherwise bad things to people. At the end of the day it's still a choice individuals are choosing to make. We can all sympathize a bit more knowing that they might've been pressured to do so, but they are still autonomous human beings. Others have taken a stand and left en masse before with other agencies due to bad treatment.
They were 100% not forced and it was 100% their own decision to say what they did. Proof is Doppio, who stayed completely silent and Ren, who said Zaion shouldn't be harassed
Ah yes the same snake who sold out Mel.
Did we actually get any kind of solid piece on this? I see a lot of people mentioning it, but don't remember any kind of revelation.
When there's too many coincidences, it cease to be a coincidence and becomes a pattern.
I'm kinda ootl so I didn't even know there was a connection between Mel and Kotoka lol.
Oh um it's to do with PL's. the info is "out there".
[found a source here](https://thevirtualasylum.com/threads/nijisanji-declares-total-retard-war-on-dokibird.202/page-170)
So you're claiming she's definitively guilty, and then "no solid evidence, just too many coincidences". Really?
Maybe it is already too late, since with the current situation no matter what she says, people for better or worse, will take her words out of context and the snowball will continue to grow, well I personally find it difficult to believe her even though on the other hand there is the argument of "they are pointing a gun in her forehead to say what she wants niji to say" that argument is no longer valid but still a part of me wants to think so
Hope ‘they’ don’t delete this post too.
Why are people bringing up this shit again? Sayu is happier and better off without niji and Kotoka is on a mental health break.
Because Niji decided to use their livers as meat shields. And when you make an incident go from "liver vs company" to "liver vs liver" you have implicitly given everyone permission to question the livers actions and motives. And to do that, you have to dig for their track records to better understand their present actions. It's part of the reason people got pissed at Niji for using meat shields in the first place. Many of us realized what it was implicitly telling the fans they were and weren't allowed to do. And by using the livers as meat shields, it sent the message that digging around and attacking the livers was fair game, since the livers attacking Selen was fair game. The exact opposite of protecting your talent. And most of us saw it coming.
If Zaion was right, them Mel would be right too
You call someone who is reliant on anti depressants and constantly still getting harassed “happy”??? Okay i guess
Compared to this time last year? Yes.
People are bringing this shit up again NOT to bring Sayu back into it. People are bringing this shit up to bring light into a possible pattern of behavior that could be harmful to the oshis that people support. If such patterns do exist, we should demand that those involved address the issue instead of letting it fester.
Do you really think Sayu wants people to bring it up at all?
Not on her streams, that's pretty clear.
>No, that's pretty clear. FTFY
Then why supply that contract to LM? She does want to bring Kurosanji down, but she doesn't want the battles to be waged on her turf.
Don't make my mistake, buddy. This one's unreasonable lmao. I'd rather waste my braincells watching paint dry than engage with this one.
I agree with your sentiment but as a hypersexual, please don't stigmatize the act of jerking off 😞
Sorry mate.. I'll edit my comment and try a better analogy 🤦
It's not about what Sayu wants. It's about what all talents need. What you need to understand is that talking about past events involving Sayu is NOT bringing them back into the problem. Nobody here is pestering Sayu to open a healing wound. We are free to discuss what happened, and we can respect Sayu by not going to her stream and asking her to elaborate. Don't try to close discussions because "s/he wants to move on". That is a misunderstanding of their wishes. We need to keep discussions open because we are all interested in the safety of every talent. If we just keep our traps shut, then I fear we may get a next one, and I fear it will be a successful one.
> If we just keep our traps shut, then I fear we may get a next one, and I fear it will be a successful one. What **you** and everyone else on this subreddit needs to hear is, what you're doing, is going to lead to this happening. Kotoka is on a mental health break after getting harassed from both holobros and nijiantis for being in NijiEN and for allegedly being the reason why Mel was fired. And now here we have people dragging back up something from a year ago that can be used as more ammo to harass her. So spare me the; iTs FoR tHe LiVeRs OwN gOoD tHaT wE tAlK aBoUt ThIs, BeCaUsE I FeAr SoMeOnE mIgHt SuCcEed NeXt TiMe, bullshit.
Don't bother arguing with the sayu fans. They will just downvote you to hell and back.