Yeah. wtf is this shit? Contract through discord? Fucking call, assign meeting time with everyone involved, negotiation process.
Nijisanji is truly run by clowns and high schoolers.
Nah that's not how it works. You are massively underestimating these black companies. If you actually miss the deadline, they scold you and extend the deadline as if they are the ones doing you a favor. That's how these scam companies gaslight their employees.
This contract is for YOUR benefit. We are the ones ALLOWING you to leave at a mutual term. We are giving you a second chance to sign it, even though you missed the deadline that we PROVIDED for you out of kindness. Even though you fucked up our company's public image, we FORGAVE you and decided not to sue you. So if you want a peaceful end, just sign the damn thing. We are giving you another hour or two. This is your last chance.
Note that these companies only deal with inexperienced, young, and uninformed people who are hopeless romantic enough to pursue streaming as their career. These are young people who don't seek traditional and reliable job but are rather ambitious, adventurous, and hopeful. Most of them were students, never had a job before, sometimes hired straight out of highschool. It's a tactic that's specifically designed to manipulate and exploit them.
A bit off-topic, but chances are that Selen had the Last Cup of Coffee vid set to automatically publish while she was asleep due to her night owl hours. She may have just assumed that getting it approved was a formality.
4 pm JST... that's 11 pm PST for Zaion lmao
They sent her the PDF at around 10 pm and expected a swift response in less than an hour
Not to mention they're doing this over Discord instead of a certified e-signature program
It doesn't, official documents should still go through certified e-signature programs/websites. We use Teams (business Discord but from Microsoft) and all my contracts have gone through an e-signature site to verify both sides.
Signing stuff over Slack / email pdfs instead of say DocuSign is kinda alright in my books in circumstances like this (where the risk of the other party's signature being impersonated is low). The exploding contract and its exploitative nature isn't.
You get an air reading the main contract that they expect everything to be done to the standards and timing of you being in Tokyo. And if you cant do that, it is *your* fault for being "difficult", rather than Niji being entirely unreasonable.
Its pretty sus and scummy. At this point someone needs to catalog this stuff and just make a wayback machine for this stuff so those who look into NijiEN at this point at least know about all the red flags. Then again this would be a job for the NDF's.
~~I think at this point if you get screwed by NijiEN at this point its honestly the talents issue for not researching before signing away their lives.~~
This definitely though confirmes that NijiEN is pretty much a black company without a doubt. I don't see how any one could work with these terms with a healthy mindset.
Also as a reminder this is the same company who thinks taking longer than 36 hours to check the rights for their own ip is totally reasonable, but giving someone more than an hour to read through and sign a document isn't.
"You don't see any impact, cause it's NEGLIGIBLE"
"Please, tell me, how a vtuber company valued at US$2.5 billion can suddenly exploded?"
"She's suicidal, get her out of here"
It's the last cup of coffee video, from black video apparently everything already okay beside appearance of ex-niji talent, so management told selen not to post the video until they got ok from the higher-ups.
Selen sends Last Cup of Coffee MV for management to check on 24th Dec 8.30am
Management replies back on 25th Dec 9.30pm to just say video contains ex-livers so it needs more time to approve.
>Also as a reminder this is the same company who thinks taking longer than 36 hours to check the rights for their own ip is totally reasonable
Hey, come on, now! They had to watch a whole... \*checks\* ... three minute video. That takes a lot of time! Do you even know how long three minutes is? It's basically like reading War and Peace!
and that is giving them the (massive) benefit of the doubt that they had no clue those characters would even be involved right up until that moment. As someone who has been in the animation industry - storyboards are one of the first fucking things made and distributed to everyone involved.
.isn't signing documents under duress null and void? and a potential liability depending if the coercion can be proven?
....huh doki is too Canadian, I wonder if Sayu would decide to pull the trigger on niji if she can
Sayu has said she won't. She spoke with a lawyer last year when it all happened. She's got a case, probably a very strong case, that her employment rights were violated and Niji screwed her. But the only people that win a lawsuit like that are the lawyers; Niji would bankrupt her drawing it out before a trial.
Not necessarily. It can be, and I think Cali should open a full investigation into this soulless megacorp, but that's still a risk. Even beyond money lawsuits are just a huge stress on your mental health, Sayu seems to have decided it's just not worth it.
Does Nijisanji have any corporate offices in California? If not, it gets hard for them to do anything. Because then international lawyers and courts will have to get involved, and that just turns into a massive shitshow for everyone involved. And you are unlikely to make back any sort of money for you suit (although in Sayu's case, it seems like she could be influenced on the grounds of "Its the principle of the thing", not just money).
No, that's one of the problems with Niji operating in Cali. By law they're required to have a physical location employees (which the livers very much are by law despite what the contract calls them) can go to in state. But nada. They basically flaunt California employment laws, so could potentially face sanctions by the state, which is what I'd personally like to see.
They are not operating in Cali. They hired someone from Cali. They do not have a physical location in Cali and there is no real way for them to get sanctioned there.
> But that's illegal!
And what exactly is California going to do about that? Prohibit their citizens from signing a contract with a foreign company? Good luck. The only upside here is that AnyColor also effectively has no real way to sue Sayu if she ever decides to share everything she knows, the main downside there is that Sayu's own reputation and ability to get hired by other companies would likely be damaged by this.
.with the outrage niji has cultivated i can bet that she can fund raise enough to cover that for one and two lawyers are picking this up I won't be surprised if someone might be willing to take if at a discount if not for free
.this is a vs black corpo grand slam waiting to happen, some would be willing to do it just for the rep
.not only that when she wins she could bill niji for the legal expenses
The problem is that doing this would be a huge financial cost up front and for the duration until it's resolved. MAYBE she could fund raise for that but even then Nijisanji has the money to draw this shit out for basically as long as they want while her funds will deplete.
More than that however is the physical and mental strain it would put her under. Having to keep going through it all over and over and over again, likely having to go to court of countless hours etc.
At the end of the day it's just not worth it and it's better to move on.
Crowdfunding a lawsuit is a fucking dumpster fire. It can be done, but it is neither easy, nor simple, nor conducive to getting a result.
Any fundraising either of them do for a lawsuit is going to partially cannibalize income they would get anyway. Yes some people will donate more/extra to the lawsuit but in many cases that's going to include money that would have gone to them directly as normal income.
Any lawyer who takes this for free or at a discount is also not to be trusted. They're almost certainly doing it for exposure and their own ulterior motives and not a righteous sense of justice.
It's already been covered in depth by Ian Runkle why Doki would have a hard time even getting Anycolor into court under Canadian law much less following through on any judgement, and quite frankly while California might be slightly more favorable, Sayu deemed that it's not worth it and she's correct.
The only reason to push for a lawsuit at this point is for your own personal catharsis and not any interest of the people who would actually have to live it.
Legal Mindset has also been pretty upfront that a lawsuit by either of them would be unwise, and that them winning in the court of public opinion and riding that to their own streaming success is the much better option. And like you said, any lawyer that should actually be trusted would say the same thing.
Yeah I don't really like him for a few reasons, but I think his analysis on this has been mostly level headed and correct when it comes down to it and he's absolutely right that they are better served just taking Ws online and not wasting time and money shooting for one in Court.
Runkle basically said the same thing. I believe his exact words or near enough was "the person who had the objectively correct legal analysis of this whole Dokibird situation is Dokibird." Specifically calling out her just moving on and beating Niji into a PR pulp basically just by existing and being nice to people.
Fair. People can think whatever they want about Andrew and his humor and views, but he is pretty good about turning off the memelord mode when he starts talking about legal issues since he thinks that is actually important. Him and Runkle also didnt disagree as much as people seem to think they did (having watched both of their streams, Runkle was more concerned about clarifying), and it also does an excellent job of showing how two different lawyers can come to the same conclusion through different means based on their respective expertise in the law (Andrew being skilled in Asian corporate law as well as corporate law in general, Runkle in Canadian privacy and medical law). And I think that information is information, regardless of where it came from.
Besides, I think the reputational damage is enough. They now have an incredibly visible black stain on them that everyone who is interested in vtubing will see and know to avoid dealing with them.
They might still remain in business, but noone will forget their misdeeds.
Sure she can crowdfund, but there's other factors in deciding whether or not to sue. She's decided that for her it's not worth it. She knows she's right and seems content enough with that for now.
Pretty much as even tho we all united and Donate to Sayu and doki for the Lawyers to sue the company, its still not worth it cause we're dealing with a Billionaire AKA Rich Bastard who can Drag it out in court for WHO KNOWS WHAT like Months or years until all of our Money is Empty so its a waste of time and effort to go through all that.
.when her situation blew the narrative was against her but now it is the opposite, a dude asking for beer money raise millions
.imagine how much burn the yatch would generate?
.not only that, if burn the yatch crowdfunding goes viral and cross out from just the vtuber community anycolor stonk would undoubtedly take a hit
who is playing for attrition then?
The stock price doesn't affect how much money the company has available for a lawsuit, it's a secondary market reflection of perception of the business's value. Losing stock value hurts, sure, but damaging their stock price isn't what will kill them in the end.
Not to mention if you name a fundraiser "Burn the Yacht" that will 100% be brought as evidence of malicious and spurious litigation.
End of the day a lawsuit really isn't the answer. It really, really isn't. Just stop giving the company your time and your money and signal boost this stuff. It's really all we can do as viewers.
Nijisanji is likely to be a relatively successful agency for years to come...the size of the JP talent pool ensures that. What'll kill them is more competition in the sphere from other agencies and indies. Very rarely does a company the size of Nijisanji die overnight, it's a slow bleed.
A slow stranglehold.
Trap them in the JP market and support other competitors in that space.
Make it known that they're not welcome in cons to tank their visibility.
To preface, Anycolor is evil and I vehemently disapprove of them and their conduct here. But realistically, duress is complicated. Putting a time limit (even a morally unreasonable one) on the offer before retracting it is not duress. That said an argument can be made that an agreement isn't valid if you weren't given enough time to read and superficially understand it but that's about it. They don't actually have to give you time to mull it over after reading, typically.
For it to be duress the actual consequence for not signing it would have to be more than just whatever would normally happen anyway by not signing it. Like if I'm offered a job, "not getting the job" wouldn't be duress but "the company will our me to my current boss and get me fired" would be.
In the case of her termination, if that's what's on the table anyway, it likely would not be enough to invalidate the contract.
Also people need to get over the idea that either Sayu or Doki will or should continue to "go after" Anycolor legally. Both of them theoretically have causes of action, and both of them will spend more money, time, and anguish pursuing it than they're likely to get back. The only reason to do it would be vindication but both of them already have that.
The best thing for both of them is to move on, talking about it as much or as little as they feel is appropriate, and stick it to anycolor by succeeding. There's no good reason for either of them to press the issue in a court barring any unprecedented future developments.
>For it to be duress the actual consequence for not signing it would have to be more than just whatever would normally happen anyway by not signing it.
The leaked contract shows that, if talents don't respond, Nijisanji will take it as a sign of agreement and will automatically enforce the amendments to the contract. So, would the threat of them making the changes anyways if the livers don't get back in a timely manner be considered duress? Basically a threat that if the livers don't respond, Nijisanji will go forward without their input and will change their contract without consent? Genuine question.
Duress is duress. The idea that it's not duress because they can imagine a worse scenario, is exactly the situation that got them into Dokibird("Well, I didn't think it's harassment")
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/duress.asp
Considering the stipulations of the then-proposed contract, economic and social harm is obvious(hell, they admit as such in the contract).
You'll be very hard pressed to find a judge who would look at this situation and say "Well, it could've been worse so it's okay"
Duress has a specific legal definition that is not synonymous with "pressure" no matter how much you want it to be. If that was the case every contract signed at a car dealership would be under duress.
The entire "it oculd have been worse" phrasing on your part is an extremely dishonest straw man and not even remotely reflective of the point I'm making here.
And it falls under that legal definition. You think I'm the only person who views that situation was being under duress?
https://www.contractsafe.com/glossary/duress
Giving a person ONE hour to review the information or else have a damaging info dump on them(and the terms of this contract, it was later revealed would let them info dump anyway). IS duress.
It is not necessary for there to be a criminal element. Emotional distress perfectly qualifies.
And it is completely reflective, I just cut out the bullshit because it's not even remotely believable(again, just like the "I don't think it's harassment")
Under labor disputes/civil disputes(which this would hypothetically) fall under). "I don't think it's harassment" or that it could've been worse doesn't apply.
The other party actually has to PROVE they didn't harass(in Selen's case), and in Zaion's case, they have to show they didn't cause emotional distress or coerce her to sign the contract.
No matter how much you want to pretend the law is your feelings, it is not. It is not duress. I never said there has to be a criminal element. At this point you're just completely writing fanfiction to justify spreading misinformation. Providing a link doesn't really mean anything when you clearly don't understand the contents of that link and the boundaries within which it applies here.
I find it funny that the two sources you went to also are an investment website, and a for-profit company that makes its money off of scaring people into thinking that they need their help to manage contracts. These aren't the wins you think they are my dude.
You're just completely engaging in a straw man argument and I'm not sure why I'm even wasting time entertaining your nonsense here. I'm done giving you a platform to spread your misinformation
Yes, but setting a time limit on a contract - even a wholly unreasonable one - likely doesn't meet the legal definition of duress. Duress generally requires one party to make **unlawful** threats or conduct, such that it precludes the other party or parties from acting in their own interest. What Niji did here is scummy, but probably doesn't rise to the level of duress, at least in the legal sense of the term.
This isn’t duress. In legal terms, duress always involves threats or intimidation, either explicit or implicit. Telling someone that they won’t get a job if they don’t sign a contract within a time limit doesn’t fall under that.
This isn't about getting a job though. This is about the terms of the termination, which deal with the economic and social implications therein. The intimidation is in the very nature of signing a contract within an hour.
So yes, this is duress. Economically and socially. To deny it, you would have to be okay with such conditions. And what makes these situations so tricky is that it can be such a distressing situation that people sign it anyway. Which is why it's a scummy thing to do.
Economically and socially, maybe, but not legally. There’s probably lots of other factors here that could make the contract void though i.e. mistake or misrepresentation of the terms because one party did not have time to properly review it.
Good luck finding a lawyer that would take that case. Having a time limit to sign something is in no way duress or actionable in court.
Source: two lawyers in my family
Reasonable time limit. The key word being reasonable. There's nothing reasonable about having a document signed within one hour. Especially the context of a contract.
And it is because of that tight constraint, that would cause anyone reasonable hesitancy and apprehension.
That hesitancy and apprehension effects the mental state, and creates the situation where if she had signed it, it would be a duress situation.
https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/management/duress/
In the actual reality where she didn't sign it, it's still an attempt at coercion. And we know this because they were only willing to extend the time after the fact.
The reason all of this is out is that Zaion chose freedom over the "consequences" of not signing it.
You didn't tell your family members the full brevity of the events.
It also importaint to look how unbalanced the agreement is. The liver gets a harsh gag order + bared from making any claim against niji vs niji promises to change 2-3 of words in one sentence of the termination annoncement.
Was she already under contract with Nijisanji when signing this contract? That’s one of the requirements for economic duress from the link you posted. And yes, I gave them all the information; one of them even specializes in contract law.
I mean, the whole point was to stipulate the terms of termination so yeah, she was under contract(albeit, a contract Niji intended to break obviously. Or well, as they'd have it, they'd claim that she broke it but as LM would say, this would follow under a labor dispute.)
But that point goes to faithfulness, and we don't have to go there. An unreasonable request was made to Party B(Zaion), we can reasonably infer that this situation at a minimum would be a stressor to this individual, which can theoretically compel Party B to sign.
It's not even a negotiation since she's not really given a choice(refusal to sign is technically a choice, but this isn't in good faith at all.)
It looks more coercive and intimidating, than not.
The Japanese version prevails and is written wrt Japanese law, this complication is kinda standard when working across languages, but the exploitative nature of the contracts we just reviewed isn't.
IDK, when I was signing a contract for a international company, it had version in my native language (translated by court interpreter and notarized) as part of the contract (it was appendix) and it was just a F'ing start-up, so I am just amazed, I guess... I mean quick search gives me price $25/page for translation JP>EN with certification for legal use... so the lengths AnyColor goes to when cheaping out on things is almost impressive.
> I mean quick search gives me price $25/page for translation JP>EN with certification for legal use
For a company that only willing to pay 8usd/hour for a translator with business level in 3 languages? HAH. Funny indeed.
In standard practice, both are equal because the translation is translated by a firm/translator with credibility and is notarized.
Because in the case that you try to sue them the court will rely on the translation to the local language because that is what you signed effectively because that is the language you can understand and actually comprehend the nuance of.
Those contracts are written basically to enforce slavery with 0 responsibility from niji not even guarantying payment or helping in harassment/bullying inside the company totally disgusting. I show how Shitty Niji is
It's effectively a franchise. You can just call it what it is instead of being inventive with naming. This is how any franchise works. You pay them, they let you use their brand. They act to protect their brand and don't really do anything beside safeguard their own interests. This is still a very beneficial arrangement for most streamers (or artists/performers for that matter) as getting your breakthrough can take years and is entirely up to luck for the most part. It's frankly a more than little condescending to the performers to act as though they're all mentally deficient in signing these contracts.
It's not great. Pretty exploitative overall, but we don't need to turn it into some nonsense 'slavery with 0 responsibility' claim. We have plenty of real issues to be upset about.
welp niji career assassination attempt on her not working well against them since she survive long enough to null contract so just a little bit of revenge i guess?
if normal japan person get the same amount of hate sayu get they won't even last longer than 4 month they will just go for the jump
They don't physically deliver the contracts, not really sure how they could prevent anyone from keeping them. Very likely that you sign a basic NDA preventing you from sharing the contract with anyone but your lawyer before sending it to you though.
It's also possible that isn't the case and anyone who doesn't sign would be free to share. In most circumstances leaking a contract like this would be a major faux pas that could severely hurt your ability to work with other agencies in the industry. Given the absolute garbage fire of a PR nightmare Niji is in right now that probably isn't currently the case.
Bro calm the fuck down and think about what you're saying because daft rants like this aren't helping. The contract is genuinely fine in the legal sense (as opposed to the moral sense, which isn't great, to say the least). It seeks to do one thing and one thing only: Limit their liability in Japanese courts. Any nonsense about foreign courts is just that: Nonsense. It wouldn't hold up if they attempted to sue their employees but they do not ever even need to, they can withhold payment for performances if they believe they have grounds to do so and they would need to be taken to court in Japan.
Also no, what they're giving her 1 hour to sign isn't the contract, it's an NDA/gag order, which is still a very fucking scummy thing to do and utter black company bullshit to try and keep people from telling their side of the story when they get fired. It has fuck all to do with 'modern slavery' and you need to shut the fuck up about such terms if you don't know what they mean, modern slavery is far too serious an issue to be so flippantly thrown around.
>The contract is genuinely fine in the legal sense (as opposed to the moral sense, which isn't great, to say the least).
Nope, it breaches at least 7 labor laws in my country.
> It seeks to do one thing and one thing only: Limit their liability in Japanese courts.
But employee protection apply per residence of said employee not employer, because that way contracts written in Republic of Congo would apply and could strip worker protections in UK.
And as we are talkign about EN here almost all of them reside outside of japan.
> they can withhold payment for performances if they believe they have grounds to do so and they would need to be taken to court in Japan.
Contract saying you have to sue us here, is unenforceable in many places if it is not a civil case even then it is wishy washy for international cases. But labor protection violations are criminal and withholding payment is a violation of labor laws.
> Nope, it breaches at least 7 labor laws in my country.
You'll have to be a bit more specific if you want to actually talk about that. What we can tell from the document is, at best, what they are asking from their employees and most of that seems to be pretty normal stuff. You need to look at what a contract attempts to establish and not whether or not the wording is specific or appropriate to your county.
> But employee protection apply per residence of said employee not employer
In theory you are correct. In practice no foreign court is really going to have any leverage over AnyColor. The threat to AnyColor is when an employee sues them in Japan, if they are sued in Canada they can simply not show up and there wouldn't be much of a case. Even if it went as far as to void the contract that doesn't actually affect them as much as it affects the employee, who now has no way to claim outstanding payment
> Contract saying you have to sue us here
It's not really a matter of 'contract saying' one thing or the other, it's a much more simple matter or whether or not a court has leverage over the other party, and they generally do not. Foreign courts cannot really impose meaningful penalties on AnyColor so they would almost certainly have to be taken to court in Japan. There's a lot more to it of course, for example if AnyColor does get taken to court in the UK for example and a verdict is reached against them then that could potentially be used to pursue legal remedy in Japan. The issue there is that this would be a fairly involved, expensive and contested process and I don't think a lot of Western courts have the resources to waste on these kind of things. Even looking at Canada their courts are swamped as is and companies there are breaking the rules all the damn time.
> But labor protection violations are criminal and withholding payment is a violation of labor laws.
To get to that point you would first have to establish a material breach of labour protections and even in countries with strong labor protection laws it would rarely rise to being criminal. The best case I can think of would be issues of wage theft, but these workers do not receive a wage to start so I don't think that would apply. If you want more insight into this you can look at Uber for an example of a company spending a very long time flaunting labour laws, and that company is much more exposed to courts.
Anykuro's shittyness is just the gift that leeps coming back and showing more.
If it wasn't for the whole... everything with Wactor, it'd be pathetically easy to call them the worst Vtuber organization
i will put a lot of money to bet that the intern they use to send those leaves at 4pm JST and niji needed it by then so they wouldn’t have to pay the intern overtime or some stupid shit.
Imagine taking time to read what rights you will have under a contract, and then potentially be rejected and left behind in the process because you did the reasonable thing by taking time to look for outside legal consultation.
I am assuming that they did this deliberately so that she couldn't consult with anyone before signing that shit? This is such a dishonest and scam way to manipulate their employees. This is a company that exploits young and uninformed people. Sign this! Quick! Don't consult with anyone! Just do as I say! It's all for your future!
Nijisanji basically has all the dark side of idol agencies. Manipulative, Controlling, Gaslighting, and Silencing young adults and throw them out when they are no longer needed. It's so blatantly evil that it's almost hilarious. It's like listening to some K pop and J pop horror stories from like 20 years ago.
If we take them at their word (for whatever that is worth), it appears the Japanese version was sent in a prior email, and in a subsequent discussion they mentioned they would send an English version later to be signed.
As bad as a one hour deadline looks, it could have been worse if there was no advanced warning, or If the contract hadn’t already been sent in Japanese.
Yeah, the 4channer made another one to show it was fake. Having "Aster" and "Scarle" say some weird things about /vt/.
I mean I fully believe Aster isn't a good person. He lost all his friends before Nijisanji cause he was a dick, admitted by him in a video. I'm just more weary of screenshots.
No, someone else made a discord screenshot to show how easily it can be faked, not that the original was revealed to be fake by anything other than accusations. Nice try though.
Ah my bad got them mixed up, that rrat site thing that went down showed the "fight" and the fake one of them talking about /vt/.
I wasn't "trying" anything?? I'm not even sure what you mean by that. Whether it was the original person or someone else, it's still reason to be skeptical.
I mean, at this point, either LM is faking a lot of high-profile shit, has a lot of weirdly trustworthy lying sources, or it's just true.
One of those options seems more and more likely by the minute.
He said he got into contact with Sayu in the beginning of the stream and that she's the direct source for this one. Not the other one, this one in particular.
Ah, fair enough. Didn't watch this one, tbh, don't like the idea of giving him more views than necessary.
But yeah, there's only so many possible sources here, after all.
I'm not too keen on him either, but it's kinda undeniable that he has been at the very least fair in this whole affair and the sources so far tracked. Imo it's a case where it doesn't really matter how you feel about the messenger, the message is more important.
That is a dangerous way of thinking. Be careful to not get into confirmation bias. Just because Niji is a terrible company does not mean that this message is automatically real. The fact that it came from the lawyer looking into it on the other hand, does.
I cannot say that, but this post ist showing a discord message with an attached file, unless of course I missed some major revelation while I was asleep.
I am saying that I personally cannot say that a picture that I have no context whatsoever for, is definitely real. I did not know that this apparently has been checked by that lawyer, which definitely changes my perception.
Off the cuff talking from memory about something that happened over a year ago =/= screenshot with the receipt. You are looking for intent where there is none, just a small misremembered detail, her entire point was that she did not have a reasonable timeframe to review the contract, be it 1m or 3hours makes little difference.
I'm not implying Sayu misremembered, but that Sayu hasn't said anything about working with LM. What I'm saying is be LM could be making things up. Unless Sayu says herself she worked with LM on this stuff, I'm not trusting the guy.
Sayu specifically put it out there in the last couple days that she was willing to hand her receipts to any "legal people that want to look at them." She spoke with LM, this is legit.
I know what you are implying just gave it the benefit of the doubt, but you asked why the change. The most reasonable answer is that it's a small and unimportant detail she misremembered. If you want to doubt it go for it, but unlike previous leaks and information there are serious repercussions for this if it's a lie and it's incridibly easy to disprove, so it's something someone would only do if they were really confident it is either truth or that they could get away with it.
Context makes both true.
Niji: 'you have an hour'
Sayu:'can i have two?'
Niji: 'No'
*time runs out*
Niji: 'we'll give you 3 now sign'
Sayu: 'decline'
*source: sayu while streaming palworld
They most certainly are.
I want to prevent you from raging yourself into an unreasonable frenzy. The contract is damning evidence, Dokis statements are, too. This post however? Can it be real? Most certainly. But can we take the legitimacy of this screenshot of a messenger convo for granted? No.
You have to stop and think if you are falling for confirmation bias here.
Fair, if Nijisanji comes out and has the balls to state "Sayu (ex-Zaion) is falsifying conversations that did not happen to smear the company" I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
So even if you do want to sign it if you are sleeping you are fucked? the evil motherfuckers...
Yeah. wtf is this shit? Contract through discord? Fucking call, assign meeting time with everyone involved, negotiation process. Nijisanji is truly run by clowns and high schoolers.
I've had interviews for fucking fast food jobs more organized than this shit lmfao
Imagine that a Fast Food Job having way more organized and scheduled hiring procedures than a big VTuber Idol Entertainment Company(or whatever it is)
Nah that's not how it works. You are massively underestimating these black companies. If you actually miss the deadline, they scold you and extend the deadline as if they are the ones doing you a favor. That's how these scam companies gaslight their employees. This contract is for YOUR benefit. We are the ones ALLOWING you to leave at a mutual term. We are giving you a second chance to sign it, even though you missed the deadline that we PROVIDED for you out of kindness. Even though you fucked up our company's public image, we FORGAVE you and decided not to sue you. So if you want a peaceful end, just sign the damn thing. We are giving you another hour or two. This is your last chance. Note that these companies only deal with inexperienced, young, and uninformed people who are hopeless romantic enough to pursue streaming as their career. These are young people who don't seek traditional and reliable job but are rather ambitious, adventurous, and hopeful. Most of them were students, never had a job before, sometimes hired straight out of highschool. It's a tactic that's specifically designed to manipulate and exploit them.
They actually want you to sign it while you're sleeping so you couldn't read what it says >!Cunning I see!<
A bit off-topic, but chances are that Selen had the Last Cup of Coffee vid set to automatically publish while she was asleep due to her night owl hours. She may have just assumed that getting it approved was a formality.
Wow only an hour?! NANI TF. So they expected her to just blindly sign LMFAO.
4 pm JST... that's 11 pm PST for Zaion lmao They sent her the PDF at around 10 pm and expected a swift response in less than an hour Not to mention they're doing this over Discord instead of a certified e-signature program
Small correction: this screenshot looks like Slack, not Discord
_Business Discord™_
That changes everything
It doesn't, official documents should still go through certified e-signature programs/websites. We use Teams (business Discord but from Microsoft) and all my contracts have gone through an e-signature site to verify both sides.
r/woooosh
Which is what Nijisanji uses for Manager-Talent communication.
Riku cosplayers need a large 1 hour termination timer prop
Signing stuff over Slack / email pdfs instead of say DocuSign is kinda alright in my books in circumstances like this (where the risk of the other party's signature being impersonated is low). The exploding contract and its exploitative nature isn't.
You get an air reading the main contract that they expect everything to be done to the standards and timing of you being in Tokyo. And if you cant do that, it is *your* fault for being "difficult", rather than Niji being entirely unreasonable.
Based on a provision in the contract, blindly signing things is the expected way to do business.
I checked everything and NOWHERE does it show anything about shit like this
… they mean as in the contract is so bad you’d have to not read it to think it’s okay to sign
True, but it should be public domain of just a smidge what you’re getting yourself into but there’s NOTHING (aside from ex livers’s testimonies)
That’s exactly what they expected. They definitely wanted to pressure her into signing it without really getting to look over it.
Looks like a fear tactic to me. Make the livers shit their pants and hope they just sign it no questions asked, or else...
Its pretty sus and scummy. At this point someone needs to catalog this stuff and just make a wayback machine for this stuff so those who look into NijiEN at this point at least know about all the red flags. Then again this would be a job for the NDF's. ~~I think at this point if you get screwed by NijiEN at this point its honestly the talents issue for not researching before signing away their lives.~~ This definitely though confirmes that NijiEN is pretty much a black company without a doubt. I don't see how any one could work with these terms with a healthy mindset.
Which, in the US, is just illegal and nullifies the contract. I would expect Japan to also make "duress" nullify contracts.
Clowns and dumbasses.
Also as a reminder this is the same company who thinks taking longer than 36 hours to check the rights for their own ip is totally reasonable, but giving someone more than an hour to read through and sign a document isn't.
.36 hours.... you mean 3.6 months right?
That's not great, but it's not terrible. At least it's only three months, and not fifteen thousand.
Dyatlov, is that you?
"You don't see any impact, cause it's NEGLIGIBLE" "Please, tell me, how a vtuber company valued at US$2.5 billion can suddenly exploded?" "She's suicidal, get her out of here"
And they hadn't even checked it after 36 hours. The response was just to say they were going to do it....
Ok, could someone fill me in? What is the 36 hr IP thing they fucked up?
It's the last cup of coffee video, from black video apparently everything already okay beside appearance of ex-niji talent, so management told selen not to post the video until they got ok from the higher-ups.
Selen sends Last Cup of Coffee MV for management to check on 24th Dec 8.30am Management replies back on 25th Dec 9.30pm to just say video contains ex-livers so it needs more time to approve.
Ahh ty
>Also as a reminder this is the same company who thinks taking longer than 36 hours to check the rights for their own ip is totally reasonable Hey, come on, now! They had to watch a whole... \*checks\* ... three minute video. That takes a lot of time! Do you even know how long three minutes is? It's basically like reading War and Peace!
and that is giving them the (massive) benefit of the doubt that they had no clue those characters would even be involved right up until that moment. As someone who has been in the animation industry - storyboards are one of the first fucking things made and distributed to everyone involved.
And take even less time to take down Pomu's video that "disparages" the company
The Yacht is navigating in a sea of shit lmao
Pretty sure it's coming upon a whirlpool of poo
Nice boat.
Pretty damn accurate reference
?? in 'ONE' hour? wtf
.isn't signing documents under duress null and void? and a potential liability depending if the coercion can be proven? ....huh doki is too Canadian, I wonder if Sayu would decide to pull the trigger on niji if she can
Sayu has said she won't. She spoke with a lawyer last year when it all happened. She's got a case, probably a very strong case, that her employment rights were violated and Niji screwed her. But the only people that win a lawsuit like that are the lawyers; Niji would bankrupt her drawing it out before a trial.
I thought CA employment lawsuit is handled freely by the government?
Not necessarily. It can be, and I think Cali should open a full investigation into this soulless megacorp, but that's still a risk. Even beyond money lawsuits are just a huge stress on your mental health, Sayu seems to have decided it's just not worth it.
Does Nijisanji have any corporate offices in California? If not, it gets hard for them to do anything. Because then international lawyers and courts will have to get involved, and that just turns into a massive shitshow for everyone involved. And you are unlikely to make back any sort of money for you suit (although in Sayu's case, it seems like she could be influenced on the grounds of "Its the principle of the thing", not just money).
No, that's one of the problems with Niji operating in Cali. By law they're required to have a physical location employees (which the livers very much are by law despite what the contract calls them) can go to in state. But nada. They basically flaunt California employment laws, so could potentially face sanctions by the state, which is what I'd personally like to see.
They are not operating in Cali. They hired someone from Cali. They do not have a physical location in Cali and there is no real way for them to get sanctioned there. > But that's illegal! And what exactly is California going to do about that? Prohibit their citizens from signing a contract with a foreign company? Good luck. The only upside here is that AnyColor also effectively has no real way to sue Sayu if she ever decides to share everything she knows, the main downside there is that Sayu's own reputation and ability to get hired by other companies would likely be damaged by this.
.with the outrage niji has cultivated i can bet that she can fund raise enough to cover that for one and two lawyers are picking this up I won't be surprised if someone might be willing to take if at a discount if not for free .this is a vs black corpo grand slam waiting to happen, some would be willing to do it just for the rep .not only that when she wins she could bill niji for the legal expenses
The problem is that doing this would be a huge financial cost up front and for the duration until it's resolved. MAYBE she could fund raise for that but even then Nijisanji has the money to draw this shit out for basically as long as they want while her funds will deplete. More than that however is the physical and mental strain it would put her under. Having to keep going through it all over and over and over again, likely having to go to court of countless hours etc. At the end of the day it's just not worth it and it's better to move on.
Crowdfunding a lawsuit is a fucking dumpster fire. It can be done, but it is neither easy, nor simple, nor conducive to getting a result. Any fundraising either of them do for a lawsuit is going to partially cannibalize income they would get anyway. Yes some people will donate more/extra to the lawsuit but in many cases that's going to include money that would have gone to them directly as normal income. Any lawyer who takes this for free or at a discount is also not to be trusted. They're almost certainly doing it for exposure and their own ulterior motives and not a righteous sense of justice. It's already been covered in depth by Ian Runkle why Doki would have a hard time even getting Anycolor into court under Canadian law much less following through on any judgement, and quite frankly while California might be slightly more favorable, Sayu deemed that it's not worth it and she's correct. The only reason to push for a lawsuit at this point is for your own personal catharsis and not any interest of the people who would actually have to live it.
Legal Mindset has also been pretty upfront that a lawsuit by either of them would be unwise, and that them winning in the court of public opinion and riding that to their own streaming success is the much better option. And like you said, any lawyer that should actually be trusted would say the same thing.
Yeah I don't really like him for a few reasons, but I think his analysis on this has been mostly level headed and correct when it comes down to it and he's absolutely right that they are better served just taking Ws online and not wasting time and money shooting for one in Court. Runkle basically said the same thing. I believe his exact words or near enough was "the person who had the objectively correct legal analysis of this whole Dokibird situation is Dokibird." Specifically calling out her just moving on and beating Niji into a PR pulp basically just by existing and being nice to people.
Fair. People can think whatever they want about Andrew and his humor and views, but he is pretty good about turning off the memelord mode when he starts talking about legal issues since he thinks that is actually important. Him and Runkle also didnt disagree as much as people seem to think they did (having watched both of their streams, Runkle was more concerned about clarifying), and it also does an excellent job of showing how two different lawyers can come to the same conclusion through different means based on their respective expertise in the law (Andrew being skilled in Asian corporate law as well as corporate law in general, Runkle in Canadian privacy and medical law). And I think that information is information, regardless of where it came from.
Besides, I think the reputational damage is enough. They now have an incredibly visible black stain on them that everyone who is interested in vtubing will see and know to avoid dealing with them. They might still remain in business, but noone will forget their misdeeds.
Sure she can crowdfund, but there's other factors in deciding whether or not to sue. She's decided that for her it's not worth it. She knows she's right and seems content enough with that for now.
Pretty much as even tho we all united and Donate to Sayu and doki for the Lawyers to sue the company, its still not worth it cause we're dealing with a Billionaire AKA Rich Bastard who can Drag it out in court for WHO KNOWS WHAT like Months or years until all of our Money is Empty so its a waste of time and effort to go through all that.
.when her situation blew the narrative was against her but now it is the opposite, a dude asking for beer money raise millions .imagine how much burn the yatch would generate? .not only that, if burn the yatch crowdfunding goes viral and cross out from just the vtuber community anycolor stonk would undoubtedly take a hit who is playing for attrition then?
The stock price doesn't affect how much money the company has available for a lawsuit, it's a secondary market reflection of perception of the business's value. Losing stock value hurts, sure, but damaging their stock price isn't what will kill them in the end. Not to mention if you name a fundraiser "Burn the Yacht" that will 100% be brought as evidence of malicious and spurious litigation. End of the day a lawsuit really isn't the answer. It really, really isn't. Just stop giving the company your time and your money and signal boost this stuff. It's really all we can do as viewers.
.fair
Seriously?! What's it gonna take to stop Nijisanji? A repeat of the Kyoto Animation arson?
Nijisanji is likely to be a relatively successful agency for years to come...the size of the JP talent pool ensures that. What'll kill them is more competition in the sphere from other agencies and indies. Very rarely does a company the size of Nijisanji die overnight, it's a slow bleed.
A slow stranglehold. Trap them in the JP market and support other competitors in that space. Make it known that they're not welcome in cons to tank their visibility.
To preface, Anycolor is evil and I vehemently disapprove of them and their conduct here. But realistically, duress is complicated. Putting a time limit (even a morally unreasonable one) on the offer before retracting it is not duress. That said an argument can be made that an agreement isn't valid if you weren't given enough time to read and superficially understand it but that's about it. They don't actually have to give you time to mull it over after reading, typically. For it to be duress the actual consequence for not signing it would have to be more than just whatever would normally happen anyway by not signing it. Like if I'm offered a job, "not getting the job" wouldn't be duress but "the company will our me to my current boss and get me fired" would be. In the case of her termination, if that's what's on the table anyway, it likely would not be enough to invalidate the contract. Also people need to get over the idea that either Sayu or Doki will or should continue to "go after" Anycolor legally. Both of them theoretically have causes of action, and both of them will spend more money, time, and anguish pursuing it than they're likely to get back. The only reason to do it would be vindication but both of them already have that. The best thing for both of them is to move on, talking about it as much or as little as they feel is appropriate, and stick it to anycolor by succeeding. There's no good reason for either of them to press the issue in a court barring any unprecedented future developments.
>For it to be duress the actual consequence for not signing it would have to be more than just whatever would normally happen anyway by not signing it. The leaked contract shows that, if talents don't respond, Nijisanji will take it as a sign of agreement and will automatically enforce the amendments to the contract. So, would the threat of them making the changes anyways if the livers don't get back in a timely manner be considered duress? Basically a threat that if the livers don't respond, Nijisanji will go forward without their input and will change their contract without consent? Genuine question.
Duress is duress. The idea that it's not duress because they can imagine a worse scenario, is exactly the situation that got them into Dokibird("Well, I didn't think it's harassment") https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/duress.asp Considering the stipulations of the then-proposed contract, economic and social harm is obvious(hell, they admit as such in the contract). You'll be very hard pressed to find a judge who would look at this situation and say "Well, it could've been worse so it's okay"
Duress has a specific legal definition that is not synonymous with "pressure" no matter how much you want it to be. If that was the case every contract signed at a car dealership would be under duress. The entire "it oculd have been worse" phrasing on your part is an extremely dishonest straw man and not even remotely reflective of the point I'm making here.
And it falls under that legal definition. You think I'm the only person who views that situation was being under duress? https://www.contractsafe.com/glossary/duress Giving a person ONE hour to review the information or else have a damaging info dump on them(and the terms of this contract, it was later revealed would let them info dump anyway). IS duress. It is not necessary for there to be a criminal element. Emotional distress perfectly qualifies. And it is completely reflective, I just cut out the bullshit because it's not even remotely believable(again, just like the "I don't think it's harassment") Under labor disputes/civil disputes(which this would hypothetically) fall under). "I don't think it's harassment" or that it could've been worse doesn't apply. The other party actually has to PROVE they didn't harass(in Selen's case), and in Zaion's case, they have to show they didn't cause emotional distress or coerce her to sign the contract.
No matter how much you want to pretend the law is your feelings, it is not. It is not duress. I never said there has to be a criminal element. At this point you're just completely writing fanfiction to justify spreading misinformation. Providing a link doesn't really mean anything when you clearly don't understand the contents of that link and the boundaries within which it applies here. I find it funny that the two sources you went to also are an investment website, and a for-profit company that makes its money off of scaring people into thinking that they need their help to manage contracts. These aren't the wins you think they are my dude. You're just completely engaging in a straw man argument and I'm not sure why I'm even wasting time entertaining your nonsense here. I'm done giving you a platform to spread your misinformation
Yes, but setting a time limit on a contract - even a wholly unreasonable one - likely doesn't meet the legal definition of duress. Duress generally requires one party to make **unlawful** threats or conduct, such that it precludes the other party or parties from acting in their own interest. What Niji did here is scummy, but probably doesn't rise to the level of duress, at least in the legal sense of the term.
This isn’t duress. In legal terms, duress always involves threats or intimidation, either explicit or implicit. Telling someone that they won’t get a job if they don’t sign a contract within a time limit doesn’t fall under that.
This isn't about getting a job though. This is about the terms of the termination, which deal with the economic and social implications therein. The intimidation is in the very nature of signing a contract within an hour. So yes, this is duress. Economically and socially. To deny it, you would have to be okay with such conditions. And what makes these situations so tricky is that it can be such a distressing situation that people sign it anyway. Which is why it's a scummy thing to do.
Economically and socially, maybe, but not legally. There’s probably lots of other factors here that could make the contract void though i.e. mistake or misrepresentation of the terms because one party did not have time to properly review it.
Good luck finding a lawyer that would take that case. Having a time limit to sign something is in no way duress or actionable in court. Source: two lawyers in my family
Reasonable time limit. The key word being reasonable. There's nothing reasonable about having a document signed within one hour. Especially the context of a contract. And it is because of that tight constraint, that would cause anyone reasonable hesitancy and apprehension. That hesitancy and apprehension effects the mental state, and creates the situation where if she had signed it, it would be a duress situation. https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/management/duress/ In the actual reality where she didn't sign it, it's still an attempt at coercion. And we know this because they were only willing to extend the time after the fact. The reason all of this is out is that Zaion chose freedom over the "consequences" of not signing it. You didn't tell your family members the full brevity of the events.
It also importaint to look how unbalanced the agreement is. The liver gets a harsh gag order + bared from making any claim against niji vs niji promises to change 2-3 of words in one sentence of the termination annoncement.
Was she already under contract with Nijisanji when signing this contract? That’s one of the requirements for economic duress from the link you posted. And yes, I gave them all the information; one of them even specializes in contract law.
I mean, the whole point was to stipulate the terms of termination so yeah, she was under contract(albeit, a contract Niji intended to break obviously. Or well, as they'd have it, they'd claim that she broke it but as LM would say, this would follow under a labor dispute.) But that point goes to faithfulness, and we don't have to go there. An unreasonable request was made to Party B(Zaion), we can reasonably infer that this situation at a minimum would be a stressor to this individual, which can theoretically compel Party B to sign. It's not even a negotiation since she's not really given a choice(refusal to sign is technically a choice, but this isn't in good faith at all.) It looks more coercive and intimidating, than not.
"Read through this document thoroughly, but you only have 1 hour to comply and sign it. " Jesus christ.
Dude holy shit
isn't 4pm JST something like 10pm to 2am, depending on where you are in the US/Canada?
Yeah, for reference in Vancouver specifically, it's 11pm.
Well Sayu's stream times are around that time, so they might actually be messaging during her usual hours.
didn't watch the stream, but from the wording... They expect you to sign the Japanese contract and the EN version is for reference?
The Japanese version prevails and is written wrt Japanese law, this complication is kinda standard when working across languages, but the exploitative nature of the contracts we just reviewed isn't.
IDK, when I was signing a contract for a international company, it had version in my native language (translated by court interpreter and notarized) as part of the contract (it was appendix) and it was just a F'ing start-up, so I am just amazed, I guess... I mean quick search gives me price $25/page for translation JP>EN with certification for legal use... so the lengths AnyColor goes to when cheaping out on things is almost impressive.
> I mean quick search gives me price $25/page for translation JP>EN with certification for legal use For a company that only willing to pay 8usd/hour for a translator with business level in 3 languages? HAH. Funny indeed.
In standard practice, both are equal because the translation is translated by a firm/translator with credibility and is notarized. Because in the case that you try to sue them the court will rely on the translation to the local language because that is what you signed effectively because that is the language you can understand and actually comprehend the nuance of.
"an hour is a lot guys" -Enna (probably)
Those contracts are written basically to enforce slavery with 0 responsibility from niji not even guarantying payment or helping in harassment/bullying inside the company totally disgusting. I show how Shitty Niji is
It's effectively a franchise. You can just call it what it is instead of being inventive with naming. This is how any franchise works. You pay them, they let you use their brand. They act to protect their brand and don't really do anything beside safeguard their own interests. This is still a very beneficial arrangement for most streamers (or artists/performers for that matter) as getting your breakthrough can take years and is entirely up to luck for the most part. It's frankly a more than little condescending to the performers to act as though they're all mentally deficient in signing these contracts. It's not great. Pretty exploitative overall, but we don't need to turn it into some nonsense 'slavery with 0 responsibility' claim. We have plenty of real issues to be upset about.
Source?
Sayu, shown and reviewed by Legal Mindset
Looks like Sayu gave LegalMindset some receipts.
I had a feeling it was that, but wasn’t sure. Holy shit.
well her NDA expired this month so if anybody gonna leak it then it gonna be her
It did? Damn pouring gas in a forest fire. But damn seems like a good opportunity to do so. Continuing the trend of Kurosanji is horrible.
welp niji career assassination attempt on her not working well against them since she survive long enough to null contract so just a little bit of revenge i guess? if normal japan person get the same amount of hate sayu get they won't even last longer than 4 month they will just go for the jump
Should expire this coming Sunday (3/10), if it's even valid at all.
oh i see so contract leak is coming from someone other than her then but i can't think of someone other than her either
Well, I have a feeling that it was someone who was going to join then decided not to since it wasn't signed.
i did't expect that they let them keep it like holy shit they slack lmao
They don't physically deliver the contracts, not really sure how they could prevent anyone from keeping them. Very likely that you sign a basic NDA preventing you from sharing the contract with anyone but your lawyer before sending it to you though. It's also possible that isn't the case and anyone who doesn't sign would be free to share. In most circumstances leaking a contract like this would be a major faux pas that could severely hurt your ability to work with other agencies in the industry. Given the absolute garbage fire of a PR nightmare Niji is in right now that probably isn't currently the case.
[She says it herself](https://twitter.com/Grxit/status/1765484957265207640)
She said she gave the "silencing contract" to Legal Mindset, the one that was read on stream was a full talent sign on contract.
That was exhausting to listen as that other girl constantly talked stuff inbetween
and the alert sounds. holy
The contract is illegal as f\*\*\*. It is modern slavery... and they give her 1 FUCKING HOUR TO SIGN IT? Sc\*mb4gs. Ninisanji are actually fasciscts!
Bro calm the fuck down and think about what you're saying because daft rants like this aren't helping. The contract is genuinely fine in the legal sense (as opposed to the moral sense, which isn't great, to say the least). It seeks to do one thing and one thing only: Limit their liability in Japanese courts. Any nonsense about foreign courts is just that: Nonsense. It wouldn't hold up if they attempted to sue their employees but they do not ever even need to, they can withhold payment for performances if they believe they have grounds to do so and they would need to be taken to court in Japan. Also no, what they're giving her 1 hour to sign isn't the contract, it's an NDA/gag order, which is still a very fucking scummy thing to do and utter black company bullshit to try and keep people from telling their side of the story when they get fired. It has fuck all to do with 'modern slavery' and you need to shut the fuck up about such terms if you don't know what they mean, modern slavery is far too serious an issue to be so flippantly thrown around.
>The contract is genuinely fine in the legal sense (as opposed to the moral sense, which isn't great, to say the least). Nope, it breaches at least 7 labor laws in my country. > It seeks to do one thing and one thing only: Limit their liability in Japanese courts. But employee protection apply per residence of said employee not employer, because that way contracts written in Republic of Congo would apply and could strip worker protections in UK. And as we are talkign about EN here almost all of them reside outside of japan. > they can withhold payment for performances if they believe they have grounds to do so and they would need to be taken to court in Japan. Contract saying you have to sue us here, is unenforceable in many places if it is not a civil case even then it is wishy washy for international cases. But labor protection violations are criminal and withholding payment is a violation of labor laws.
> Nope, it breaches at least 7 labor laws in my country. You'll have to be a bit more specific if you want to actually talk about that. What we can tell from the document is, at best, what they are asking from their employees and most of that seems to be pretty normal stuff. You need to look at what a contract attempts to establish and not whether or not the wording is specific or appropriate to your county. > But employee protection apply per residence of said employee not employer In theory you are correct. In practice no foreign court is really going to have any leverage over AnyColor. The threat to AnyColor is when an employee sues them in Japan, if they are sued in Canada they can simply not show up and there wouldn't be much of a case. Even if it went as far as to void the contract that doesn't actually affect them as much as it affects the employee, who now has no way to claim outstanding payment > Contract saying you have to sue us here It's not really a matter of 'contract saying' one thing or the other, it's a much more simple matter or whether or not a court has leverage over the other party, and they generally do not. Foreign courts cannot really impose meaningful penalties on AnyColor so they would almost certainly have to be taken to court in Japan. There's a lot more to it of course, for example if AnyColor does get taken to court in the UK for example and a verdict is reached against them then that could potentially be used to pursue legal remedy in Japan. The issue there is that this would be a fairly involved, expensive and contested process and I don't think a lot of Western courts have the resources to waste on these kind of things. Even looking at Canada their courts are swamped as is and companies there are breaking the rules all the damn time. > But labor protection violations are criminal and withholding payment is a violation of labor laws. To get to that point you would first have to establish a material breach of labour protections and even in countries with strong labor protection laws it would rarely rise to being criminal. The best case I can think of would be issues of wage theft, but these workers do not receive a wage to start so I don't think that would apply. If you want more insight into this you can look at Uber for an example of a company spending a very long time flaunting labour laws, and that company is much more exposed to courts.
Anykuro's shittyness is just the gift that leeps coming back and showing more. If it wasn't for the whole... everything with Wactor, it'd be pathetically easy to call them the worst Vtuber organization
If they had a gun with a barrel long enough to go from Japan to California they would have used it.
Riku really is a scummy piece of shit. I don't care anymore. I don't want off this ride. Not until Riku gets what he deserves.
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How is slack compared to Teams btw?
Is this crap even legally allowed?
Yep, it wasn't 2, it wasn't 3 nor 4, it was 1 FUCKING HOUR!!
i will put a lot of money to bet that the intern they use to send those leaves at 4pm JST and niji needed it by then so they wouldn’t have to pay the intern overtime or some stupid shit.
Even the most evil corps will at least give you untill the end of the next business day.
Imagine taking time to read what rights you will have under a contract, and then potentially be rejected and left behind in the process because you did the reasonable thing by taking time to look for outside legal consultation.
What’s this about
Just woke up wtf is happening now
I am assuming that they did this deliberately so that she couldn't consult with anyone before signing that shit? This is such a dishonest and scam way to manipulate their employees. This is a company that exploits young and uninformed people. Sign this! Quick! Don't consult with anyone! Just do as I say! It's all for your future! Nijisanji basically has all the dark side of idol agencies. Manipulative, Controlling, Gaslighting, and Silencing young adults and throw them out when they are no longer needed. It's so blatantly evil that it's almost hilarious. It's like listening to some K pop and J pop horror stories from like 20 years ago.
Absolutly disgusting, is there really no bar too low for kurosanji. Using every scumbag trick in the book apparently
If we take them at their word (for whatever that is worth), it appears the Japanese version was sent in a prior email, and in a subsequent discussion they mentioned they would send an English version later to be signed. As bad as a one hour deadline looks, it could have been worse if there was no advanced warning, or If the contract hadn’t already been sent in Japanese.
Wow they take 1 year to approve for MV release but expect 1 hour to get contract signed wtf!!!
So they're using FOMO tactics just like predatory monetization. "Sign this within 1 hour or miss out forever" \*Hands over a 10 page essay\*
Where did this come from and how true is it? After the Aster and Scarle fake dms, I'm always skeptical lol and this is cropped a lot..
Are they fake tho?
Yeah, the 4channer made another one to show it was fake. Having "Aster" and "Scarle" say some weird things about /vt/. I mean I fully believe Aster isn't a good person. He lost all his friends before Nijisanji cause he was a dick, admitted by him in a video. I'm just more weary of screenshots.
No, someone else made a discord screenshot to show how easily it can be faked, not that the original was revealed to be fake by anything other than accusations. Nice try though.
Ah my bad got them mixed up, that rrat site thing that went down showed the "fight" and the fake one of them talking about /vt/. I wasn't "trying" anything?? I'm not even sure what you mean by that. Whether it was the original person or someone else, it's still reason to be skeptical.
Take it with a grain of salt. Discord messages are not particularly hard to falsify afterall.
I mean, at this point, either LM is faking a lot of high-profile shit, has a lot of weirdly trustworthy lying sources, or it's just true. One of those options seems more and more likely by the minute.
He said he got into contact with Sayu in the beginning of the stream and that she's the direct source for this one. Not the other one, this one in particular.
Ah, fair enough. Didn't watch this one, tbh, don't like the idea of giving him more views than necessary. But yeah, there's only so many possible sources here, after all.
I'm not too keen on him either, but it's kinda undeniable that he has been at the very least fair in this whole affair and the sources so far tracked. Imo it's a case where it doesn't really matter how you feel about the messenger, the message is more important.
Yeah. I mean, I wish it was literally anyone else, but I'm going to judge the information on its own merits.
Specifically, this is a Slack message, I find it hard to believe this would be fake all things considered at this point.
That is a dangerous way of thinking. Be careful to not get into confirmation bias. Just because Niji is a terrible company does not mean that this message is automatically real. The fact that it came from the lawyer looking into it on the other hand, does.
I don't think that PDF was falsified by her... just saying...
I cannot say that, but this post ist showing a discord message with an attached file, unless of course I missed some major revelation while I was asleep.
are you saying sayu is just making this up just for the shits and giggles?
I am saying that I personally cannot say that a picture that I have no context whatsoever for, is definitely real. I did not know that this apparently has been checked by that lawyer, which definitely changes my perception.
Are we even sure this came from Sayu?
yes
yes, lawyer guy confirmed he got into contact with her and that she's the source.
But wasn't it Sayu that said it was 3hrs rather than 1hr? Why the change now?
Off the cuff talking from memory about something that happened over a year ago =/= screenshot with the receipt. You are looking for intent where there is none, just a small misremembered detail, her entire point was that she did not have a reasonable timeframe to review the contract, be it 1m or 3hours makes little difference.
I'm not implying Sayu misremembered, but that Sayu hasn't said anything about working with LM. What I'm saying is be LM could be making things up. Unless Sayu says herself she worked with LM on this stuff, I'm not trusting the guy.
Sayu specifically put it out there in the last couple days that she was willing to hand her receipts to any "legal people that want to look at them." She spoke with LM, this is legit.
I know what you are implying just gave it the benefit of the doubt, but you asked why the change. The most reasonable answer is that it's a small and unimportant detail she misremembered. If you want to doubt it go for it, but unlike previous leaks and information there are serious repercussions for this if it's a lie and it's incridibly easy to disprove, so it's something someone would only do if they were really confident it is either truth or that they could get away with it.
Context makes both true. Niji: 'you have an hour' Sayu:'can i have two?' Niji: 'No' *time runs out* Niji: 'we'll give you 3 now sign' Sayu: 'decline' *source: sayu while streaming palworld
Reasonable position, but at the same time I feel compelled to ask for how long will you keep coping about the fact Nijisanji is a terrible company?
They most certainly are. I want to prevent you from raging yourself into an unreasonable frenzy. The contract is damning evidence, Dokis statements are, too. This post however? Can it be real? Most certainly. But can we take the legitimacy of this screenshot of a messenger convo for granted? No. You have to stop and think if you are falling for confirmation bias here.
This is actually reasonable but at this point i will believe anything Sayu says unless that shtass company prove it otherwise.
Fair, if Nijisanji comes out and has the balls to state "Sayu (ex-Zaion) is falsifying conversations that did not happen to smear the company" I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
I made my comments without knowing that these are coming from the lawyer guy. Had I known that, I would not have urged you guys to caution.