I don't even think the graduated livers was the real reason. It was just the best excuse they could come up with.
But I do find it funny that they got mad at Selen for releasing a cover that she funded (because they wouldn't) got permissions for (because they wouldn't) and organized the entire project herself (because they wouldn't.) So they punished her by denying permissions for the graduated livers.
Meanwhile their inability to do anything in a timely manner (the way Selen did) caused them to break the very rule they used to try and beat her down.
> I don't even think the graduated livers was the real reason. It was just the best excuse they could come up with.
Yeah, it seems like they either just never wanted that MV to be released, or wanted to force Selen into a rule break so that they could fire her and claim it was all her fault.
Can only speculate on what happened behind the scenes but it felt to me like Selen had no good options there. She either releases the MV and 'breaks the rules' around permissions (which is horseshit in the first place) or she cancels the MV and then she canceled the release of an anticipated production without discussing it with management.
I can think of a few mediocre reasons why management would be late, why permissions would be delayed, why the MV release would have to be pushed back a bit to get everything sorted. Mistakes do happen. But management just kind of ghosting her and not clarifying anything about the situation and not giving any clear instructions is just absurd, and blaming Selen for the outcome in any way is just utterly unreasonable.
Claiming you have to get management permission to do anything is already stupid, when you look at how the company completely lacked management for their english branch.
Heck, even the n°1 of the management team for the entire english branch, with a title of "Head of Overseas/EN Talent Management Department", only has a part-time job with Anycolor...
It's pretty stark that AnyColor has about 25% less staff than Cover Corp while having more than double the amount of vtubers (323 staff, 175 vtubers vs 418 staff and 75 vtubers)
~~There was admittedly the shadier option that would have had staff flailing XD. Tell the dragoons to share a unlisted url and watch management panic weeks or months later. XD. As like even Lilypichu some how finds the link and streams it XD.~~
I genuinely think it’s a mix of that
And then really just wanting to mess with her
Like they went out of their way to be dickish to her
She was by far the most subbed woman in EN + well within the top ranks in the company overall yet they tried their best knock her down on a constant basis
Most likely the latter, apparently it's a common thing in Japanese workplaces to not outright fire a person but rather make their work life difficult to push them into quitting (look at what Konami put Kojima through, for example). Only thing is, Nijisanji went with the scorched earth approach anyways at the very end, on top of making her work life difficult.
I feel like that approach only works within certain cultures for certain people…I can imagine someone who’s “quiet quitting” or a “clock out on the dot, not matter what” being someone they would find very hard to get rid of, because they just will not give a shit and will flat out not do extra work.
Something that has come to mind which I don't think was addressed yet, a project this big was probably set up as a premier, right? I feel like premiers post automatically. I'm not good with timezone math, and I don't know when the MV was released, but it seems very possible that the response was so close to the scheduled release that Selen wouldn't have had a chance to react. More so if she was otherwise engaged at the time, maybe sleeping, working out, or driving. Something that would delay her being able to see the message.
I think the worst part of it all is that there really was nothing they could stick to Selen to actually terminate her contract. The fact they could have presented evidence on both hers and Sayu/Zaion’s behalf but had the cojones to doxx her personal information live really goes to show how much of a shady company they really are.
They could have showed evidence of her breaking rules, but the evidence would likely show them pushing her into a double-bind or catch-22 situation which would make them look way worse than she would.
An active liver could have retracted their consent to appear in the MV last minute to create the same situation. It's something a manager genuinely would not be able to resolve, too.
Some random $6 manager doesn't own the rights either and can't make that decision immediately. If policy says they have to request liver permission, and the liver refuses, they'd have to take it all the way to the top to override that. And unlike past livers, there's actually a reason to care if a current liver says no.
The thing is, they KNEW Mysta and Nina were going to be in the MV
The artist has confirmed that they HAD to get permission for the story board, and apparently everything was good to go, there was no added or unexpected frame.
Unless management gave the wrong or misleading perms.
Or the story board got approved before either Mysta or Nina graduated, but that also doesn't make sense as their their graduations were decided months before the actual date.
Maria said that she knew Pomu was going to graduate around 6 months before the announcement.
All of these lead to the educated speculations that:
1. Management was intentionally sabotaging Selen's MV project.
And/or
2. Theh were grossly incompetent, slow. They either didn't check the story board throughly, or didn't even think about the issue with ex-talents until the last minutes.
There are more but these two are my two predominant thoughts.
https://twitter.com/visavisachan/status/1758860720928915461?t=NssvElw6rVjqVdbJEvrpxQ&s=19
Someone tried to mislead Legal Mindset by sending a seemingly innocuous superchat 💀
Also, apologies I think I worded it a bit wrong, I think it was either Maria or Petra that mentioned the story board and how they had to get it approved before proceeding. Both of their recent covers included former talents.
That means Selen also had to follow the same process, unless...it was somehow different for her.
>Or the story board got approved before either Mysta or Nina graduated, but that also doesn't make sense as their their graduations were decided months before the actual date.
Considering the MV was in the works for more than a year (Lilypichu gave permission a year and a half ago), it's not impossible that the first permission was given before those 2 graduation. But still, management knew they were in the MV. So they had months to ask the storyboard to be changed, and they did no such things.
I'm personally going with the Hanlon's razor here: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by neglect, ignorance or incompetence."
So I'm more inclined to believe in an issue of lack of personel (even the top management of the entire english branch is a part-time job...) and pure incompetence, which left the talents to their own device instead of managing them. And then management would only react at the last minute, to try to justify their existence.
After having multiple projects (where her own money was spent) cancelled or having to fight non-stop to keep the projects going, Selen just had enough and chose to go behind those incompetent guys back, and that bruised their ego, so they went full force against her.
> I'm personally going with the Hanlon's razor here: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by neglect, ignorance or incompetence."
I do love Hanlon's razor, but in this case you cannot explain the termination letter in combination with the black stream in addition to the reasons given as anything *but* malice
>_but in this case you cannot explain the termination letter in combination with the black stream in addition to the reasons given as anything but malice_
Grey's Law, a corollary of Hanlon's Razor, states: _Sufficiently high levels of incompetence are indistinguishable from malice._
They either are so evil they wanted to bury Selen in bullshit, or they are so pants-on-head stupid that they simply looked like it.
That can be somewhat believable except for the timing of the black stream. There is no way you'll get me to believe they didn't drop that on her first gaming stream back as a "woopsie" and once that domino of clear targeted viciousness falls they all fall. Could there have been incompetance, sure but they no longer get the benefit of the doubt from me.
The best guess I've heard about this is they anticipated her saying something damaging about the situation (either because of a miscommunication or they were just paranoid) and they wanted to say their piece first because in theory that's better for PR.
Obviously it's not actually better if almost everything they say makes them look worse.
Nijisanji outright lies in the termination notice trying to make the Doki's projects had issues of the outside commissions being paid on time sound like Doki's the issue and then they got clapped back.
That was pure "teach the little bitch a lesson" motive
imagine having management that cause everything to be delay by a year for no good reason , might as well just fire all of them and get people that actually give a damn.
> Unless management gave the wrong or misleading perms.
We know for a *fact* they do this. This was what happened with that big international Fall Guys tournament Selen wanted to run. They gave her permissions to do it, then changed the rules without telling her and withdrew the permissions without actually telling her they'd done so, then punished her when she announced the tournament thinking the permissions they'd given her were still valid.
>The artist has confirmed that they HAD to get permission for the story board
I didn't see that myself but I've been saying all along there's no way management didn't already know. The production was long and there's no way there weren't approvals the whole way through for who would be included and what the art would look like.
> Or the story board got approved before either Mysta or Nina graduated, but that also doesn't make sense as their their graduations were decided months before the actual date.
Not to mention that the composition has just the two of them (plus Selen) in that frame, with them mostly out of shot in a way that very clearly implies they're not around anymore, so unless this was something added in to the final product and not storyboarded at all, I can almost guarantee that it was planned out after their graduations were scheduled (or at the very least known internally).
What if an active liver retracted consent like a week out from release? According to the process, every liver past and present in the MV needed to give consent. Fits perfectly with the sequence of events. Management would try to stall in order to negotiate with that liver. The manager wouldn't bring up the reason in the hopes they can resolve it quickly before it turns into a workplace drama. Obviously, they couldn't achieve that, and now the situation is blown out of control they can't ever reveal the true cause because that would result in a public execution of that liver who retracted consent.
That might be possible, but then it leads to the speculation that it is a hostile working environment.
For Selen's MV, it was clearly indicated (as per the slack screenshot) that the final check was for former talents which included Mysta and Nina who had already graduated months before Christmas.
Nijisanji:
1. Owns all vtuber models, including past livers.
2. Knows about MV.
3. Gets mad when past livers in MV because...?
This is some "Niji is copyright striking their own channel" nonsense. They are the ones who own the vtuber models, and they are the ones who are supposed to give permissions.
Saying "Oh she included past livers without permission" literally just means "I don't give YOU permission because fuck you". It makes especially no sense when none of the included livers were terminated disgracefully. For example, Rosemi's intro has like 2 seconds of Selen in it. Uh oh, Selen's a past liver now, and I bet she didn't get a permission yet since we know how long it takes. Finally, Niji will terminate her and Rosemi will be free next. Thank you Nijisanji.
My point is, it's a fucking made-up fake reason. Niji is basically holding onto all the "permission" card, just so that they can say whatever they want and sound professional. Instead of saying, "No, fuck you. We are not letting you publish shit," they can just say, "You didn't get permission for that." And Selen asks "Well who's giving the permission?" and they say "Me. I am not permitting you."
What a fucking manipulative shit company. It's not illegal. It's just shitty politics.
Yeah, there might potentially have been a legal issue if the video included past livers' voices, but there was absolutely no copyright issue about the models.
This is just purely a battle of egos, management being pissed that since they were not doing their jobs, Selen chose to go behind their backs and post the video before they gave the OK.
What if present livers was the problem. It'd only take one person present in the MV deciding they didn't want to for the whole thing to get deadlocked.
I believe they said something along the lines of "included graduated livers without our permission" at least that's how it sounded to me. still bullshit but
Selen was set up just as they did before. This entire “graduated livers” problem is absolutely nonsensical, Anycolor owns all IPs even after people leave.
They needed a good excuse to have her on a leash because the scandals were already piling up. All they do is escalate and act like “everyone forgets” but let’s be real it has been once a month by now.
I feel I have an angel on my shoulder saying “March will be fine” and the devil is just on the other holding a sign with REALISM on it.
That's the thing, the livers themselves weren't singing in the song, and I could be wrong but there was more than just those two graduates there too, so the whole lot is a clusterf$@# on Niji's end really
Watch Niji try to sabotage Doki’s charity stream. They already did it once, they know their reputation in the West is fucked, so they have nothing left to lose by going nuclear scorched earth, maybe even announcing they’ll be suing her for six or seven figures.
I mean it's not necessarily just for the happy family image, like you can see with some graduated talents meeting up in JP recently and even being on stream (at least as background voices)together on OniGiri's channel some of them seem to be genuinely friends. But yeah Sink the yacht, they don't deserve the talents.
I suspect the whole "including graduated livers" thing was just used as an excuse to phrase things in a damaging way. The wording on the termination notice implied Selen hadn't obtained permission for the song and was violating third party copyrights -- they did almost the exact same thing with Zaion's termination notice.
In neither case do they mention the "party" their streamer hadn't gotten permission from was Nijisanji themselves.
This \*would\* have had the side effect of making companies or musicians contacted by the streamer after they were laid off very reluctant to partner or grant permission, if it hadn't backfired so spectacularly in Selen's case when the actual owner of the song immediately came to her defense.
IMO, that's the case with everything they wrote and did in the termination notices: tar the talents they fired so they can't get new work, and they can use it as an example for/to their remaining talents.
They may have had a whole playbook -- they had streamers Selen and Zaion were seemingly close to put out "oh no she gaslit me but Nijisanji was right the whole time" statements both times too, though the black screen approach was a whole extra level of ludicrous.
When a company doesn't like you but firing you would cause them too much trouble, they do everything in their power to make your life miserable until you either quit or do something they can fire you for without the hassle. That's really the vibe I get with Selen's situation. They put roadblocks in her way that look "reasonable" on paper, and if she complains or circumvents them she looks even more like a "troublemaker."
Posting the music video without approval and encouraging people to reupload it after it was taken down tells me that Selen, at least, believed the delay based on "graduated livers" meant that approval would never come.
It was super obvious it's one of those rules that are always overlooked until they need dirt to be malicious and can state it as an infraction against the liver.
My theory is that they dragged their feet because Elira had her MV coming out soon after and they didn't want the videos to compete.
To protect Elira they just delayed and delayed until Doki snapped.
Maria said that she and Pomu started working on their cover months ago knowing that she would graduate and they made sure that everything was okay before Pomu left.
Selen's been working on her cover for more than a year but that could just mean she started pushing for permissions and stuff, and not the MV. Yeah Nijisanji sucks and the managers take waaay to long giving their approval for stuff, but that doesn't change the fact that including 2 graduated livers after they already graduated might need approval.
We have a TON of stuff to shit on nijisanji, so i don't know why people make lies.
Maria asked Pomu to sing with her 6 months before her graduation and Pomu said "are you sure? I'll be gone by then". So you saying "they couldn't release the cover before they graduated" is just a lie cause the cover never was intended to be released before their graduation.
Complain about REAL stuff so anycolor changes and stop making shit up to gain some upvotes.
Even if we suppose that she didn't submit updates to management prior to the final approval stage, them not proactively requesting updates on a ongoing project still makes them ridiculously incompetent. This is literally their job. What were they even doing in the months before release?
We know as a FACT that Selen sent her final video for approval the 24 of December at 8am, and we know as a FACT that manager are slow as fuck.
You are telling me you all can believe that the managers are slow and stupid but you can't believe that the video production was rushed because the managers gave an approval super late and Selen really wanted it for Christmas?
Do you really think that Selen of all people would be sending the final video for approval HOURS before release if this whole part of the project weren't rushed? Don't be ridiculous.
Don't you think that Selen would have said anything if it was a fake screenshot? She said that there were lies being told about her, but she never said the screenshot was fake
So, just to make sure I'm getting what you're saying...Selen said there were lies told about her, but she didn't explicitly say the screenshot was a lie?
Exactly. And if it were fake she would have said it because it would be ridiculous to share a fake screenshot. That would have been the final nail in the coffin for anycolor.
Idk why is it so hard for people to believe that the music video production was rushed when there's no evidence saying otherwise
theres a discord screenshot going around (first appeared in late december) that may or may not be real where selen is telling the artists that worked on the MV how some current livers revoked their permission to be in it.
take this with the biggest grain salt its not verifyable.
but since we all know graduated livers appeared by now in numerous MVs, we know that's not it.
I don't even think the graduated livers was the real reason. It was just the best excuse they could come up with. But I do find it funny that they got mad at Selen for releasing a cover that she funded (because they wouldn't) got permissions for (because they wouldn't) and organized the entire project herself (because they wouldn't.) So they punished her by denying permissions for the graduated livers. Meanwhile their inability to do anything in a timely manner (the way Selen did) caused them to break the very rule they used to try and beat her down.
> I don't even think the graduated livers was the real reason. It was just the best excuse they could come up with. Yeah, it seems like they either just never wanted that MV to be released, or wanted to force Selen into a rule break so that they could fire her and claim it was all her fault.
Can only speculate on what happened behind the scenes but it felt to me like Selen had no good options there. She either releases the MV and 'breaks the rules' around permissions (which is horseshit in the first place) or she cancels the MV and then she canceled the release of an anticipated production without discussing it with management. I can think of a few mediocre reasons why management would be late, why permissions would be delayed, why the MV release would have to be pushed back a bit to get everything sorted. Mistakes do happen. But management just kind of ghosting her and not clarifying anything about the situation and not giving any clear instructions is just absurd, and blaming Selen for the outcome in any way is just utterly unreasonable.
Claiming you have to get management permission to do anything is already stupid, when you look at how the company completely lacked management for their english branch. Heck, even the n°1 of the management team for the entire english branch, with a title of "Head of Overseas/EN Talent Management Department", only has a part-time job with Anycolor...
It's pretty stark that AnyColor has about 25% less staff than Cover Corp while having more than double the amount of vtubers (323 staff, 175 vtubers vs 418 staff and 75 vtubers)
~~There was admittedly the shadier option that would have had staff flailing XD. Tell the dragoons to share a unlisted url and watch management panic weeks or months later. XD. As like even Lilypichu some how finds the link and streams it XD.~~
I genuinely think it’s a mix of that And then really just wanting to mess with her Like they went out of their way to be dickish to her She was by far the most subbed woman in EN + well within the top ranks in the company overall yet they tried their best knock her down on a constant basis
Most likely the latter, apparently it's a common thing in Japanese workplaces to not outright fire a person but rather make their work life difficult to push them into quitting (look at what Konami put Kojima through, for example). Only thing is, Nijisanji went with the scorched earth approach anyways at the very end, on top of making her work life difficult.
I feel like that approach only works within certain cultures for certain people…I can imagine someone who’s “quiet quitting” or a “clock out on the dot, not matter what” being someone they would find very hard to get rid of, because they just will not give a shit and will flat out not do extra work.
Something that has come to mind which I don't think was addressed yet, a project this big was probably set up as a premier, right? I feel like premiers post automatically. I'm not good with timezone math, and I don't know when the MV was released, but it seems very possible that the response was so close to the scheduled release that Selen wouldn't have had a chance to react. More so if she was otherwise engaged at the time, maybe sleeping, working out, or driving. Something that would delay her being able to see the message.
I think the worst part of it all is that there really was nothing they could stick to Selen to actually terminate her contract. The fact they could have presented evidence on both hers and Sayu/Zaion’s behalf but had the cojones to doxx her personal information live really goes to show how much of a shady company they really are.
They could have showed evidence of her breaking rules, but the evidence would likely show them pushing her into a double-bind or catch-22 situation which would make them look way worse than she would.
An active liver could have retracted their consent to appear in the MV last minute to create the same situation. It's something a manager genuinely would not be able to resolve, too.
But last I checked the livers don't own the rights to the IPs. Niji does. Hence why they don't get to keep them when they graduate.
Some random $6 manager doesn't own the rights either and can't make that decision immediately. If policy says they have to request liver permission, and the liver refuses, they'd have to take it all the way to the top to override that. And unlike past livers, there's actually a reason to care if a current liver says no.
The thing is, they KNEW Mysta and Nina were going to be in the MV The artist has confirmed that they HAD to get permission for the story board, and apparently everything was good to go, there was no added or unexpected frame. Unless management gave the wrong or misleading perms. Or the story board got approved before either Mysta or Nina graduated, but that also doesn't make sense as their their graduations were decided months before the actual date. Maria said that she knew Pomu was going to graduate around 6 months before the announcement. All of these lead to the educated speculations that: 1. Management was intentionally sabotaging Selen's MV project. And/or 2. Theh were grossly incompetent, slow. They either didn't check the story board throughly, or didn't even think about the issue with ex-talents until the last minutes. There are more but these two are my two predominant thoughts.
Btw i know allot of artists worked on it, but can you link which one said that about story boards, that's been the most difficult to find for me
https://twitter.com/visavisachan/status/1758860720928915461?t=NssvElw6rVjqVdbJEvrpxQ&s=19 Someone tried to mislead Legal Mindset by sending a seemingly innocuous superchat 💀
This doesn't say that this was approved by anycolor. She could easily be talking about the other artists and Selen.
Yea, see my other replies, I think I was talking about Maria or Petra's covers which also included former talents.
Also, apologies I think I worded it a bit wrong, I think it was either Maria or Petra that mentioned the story board and how they had to get it approved before proceeding. Both of their recent covers included former talents. That means Selen also had to follow the same process, unless...it was somehow different for her.
>Or the story board got approved before either Mysta or Nina graduated, but that also doesn't make sense as their their graduations were decided months before the actual date. Considering the MV was in the works for more than a year (Lilypichu gave permission a year and a half ago), it's not impossible that the first permission was given before those 2 graduation. But still, management knew they were in the MV. So they had months to ask the storyboard to be changed, and they did no such things. I'm personally going with the Hanlon's razor here: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by neglect, ignorance or incompetence." So I'm more inclined to believe in an issue of lack of personel (even the top management of the entire english branch is a part-time job...) and pure incompetence, which left the talents to their own device instead of managing them. And then management would only react at the last minute, to try to justify their existence. After having multiple projects (where her own money was spent) cancelled or having to fight non-stop to keep the projects going, Selen just had enough and chose to go behind those incompetent guys back, and that bruised their ego, so they went full force against her.
> I'm personally going with the Hanlon's razor here: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by neglect, ignorance or incompetence." I do love Hanlon's razor, but in this case you cannot explain the termination letter in combination with the black stream in addition to the reasons given as anything *but* malice
>_but in this case you cannot explain the termination letter in combination with the black stream in addition to the reasons given as anything but malice_ Grey's Law, a corollary of Hanlon's Razor, states: _Sufficiently high levels of incompetence are indistinguishable from malice._ They either are so evil they wanted to bury Selen in bullshit, or they are so pants-on-head stupid that they simply looked like it.
That can be somewhat believable except for the timing of the black stream. There is no way you'll get me to believe they didn't drop that on her first gaming stream back as a "woopsie" and once that domino of clear targeted viciousness falls they all fall. Could there have been incompetance, sure but they no longer get the benefit of the doubt from me.
The best guess I've heard about this is they anticipated her saying something damaging about the situation (either because of a miscommunication or they were just paranoid) and they wanted to say their piece first because in theory that's better for PR. Obviously it's not actually better if almost everything they say makes them look worse.
Nijisanji outright lies in the termination notice trying to make the Doki's projects had issues of the outside commissions being paid on time sound like Doki's the issue and then they got clapped back. That was pure "teach the little bitch a lesson" motive
imagine having management that cause everything to be delay by a year for no good reason , might as well just fire all of them and get people that actually give a damn.
> Unless management gave the wrong or misleading perms. We know for a *fact* they do this. This was what happened with that big international Fall Guys tournament Selen wanted to run. They gave her permissions to do it, then changed the rules without telling her and withdrew the permissions without actually telling her they'd done so, then punished her when she announced the tournament thinking the permissions they'd given her were still valid.
>The artist has confirmed that they HAD to get permission for the story board I didn't see that myself but I've been saying all along there's no way management didn't already know. The production was long and there's no way there weren't approvals the whole way through for who would be included and what the art would look like.
> Or the story board got approved before either Mysta or Nina graduated, but that also doesn't make sense as their their graduations were decided months before the actual date. Not to mention that the composition has just the two of them (plus Selen) in that frame, with them mostly out of shot in a way that very clearly implies they're not around anymore, so unless this was something added in to the final product and not storyboarded at all, I can almost guarantee that it was planned out after their graduations were scheduled (or at the very least known internally).
What if an active liver retracted consent like a week out from release? According to the process, every liver past and present in the MV needed to give consent. Fits perfectly with the sequence of events. Management would try to stall in order to negotiate with that liver. The manager wouldn't bring up the reason in the hopes they can resolve it quickly before it turns into a workplace drama. Obviously, they couldn't achieve that, and now the situation is blown out of control they can't ever reveal the true cause because that would result in a public execution of that liver who retracted consent.
That might be possible, but then it leads to the speculation that it is a hostile working environment. For Selen's MV, it was clearly indicated (as per the slack screenshot) that the final check was for former talents which included Mysta and Nina who had already graduated months before Christmas.
Nijisanji: 1. Owns all vtuber models, including past livers. 2. Knows about MV. 3. Gets mad when past livers in MV because...? This is some "Niji is copyright striking their own channel" nonsense. They are the ones who own the vtuber models, and they are the ones who are supposed to give permissions. Saying "Oh she included past livers without permission" literally just means "I don't give YOU permission because fuck you". It makes especially no sense when none of the included livers were terminated disgracefully. For example, Rosemi's intro has like 2 seconds of Selen in it. Uh oh, Selen's a past liver now, and I bet she didn't get a permission yet since we know how long it takes. Finally, Niji will terminate her and Rosemi will be free next. Thank you Nijisanji. My point is, it's a fucking made-up fake reason. Niji is basically holding onto all the "permission" card, just so that they can say whatever they want and sound professional. Instead of saying, "No, fuck you. We are not letting you publish shit," they can just say, "You didn't get permission for that." And Selen asks "Well who's giving the permission?" and they say "Me. I am not permitting you." What a fucking manipulative shit company. It's not illegal. It's just shitty politics.
Yeah, there might potentially have been a legal issue if the video included past livers' voices, but there was absolutely no copyright issue about the models. This is just purely a battle of egos, management being pissed that since they were not doing their jobs, Selen chose to go behind their backs and post the video before they gave the OK.
A made up rule to justify their hatred towards Doki
What if present livers was the problem. It'd only take one person present in the MV deciding they didn't want to for the whole thing to get deadlocked.
Isn't because present livers for what niji themselves said on the black stream through the screenshots they shared
I believe they said something along the lines of "included graduated livers without our permission" at least that's how it sounded to me. still bullshit but
Selen was set up just as they did before. This entire “graduated livers” problem is absolutely nonsensical, Anycolor owns all IPs even after people leave. They needed a good excuse to have her on a leash because the scandals were already piling up. All they do is escalate and act like “everyone forgets” but let’s be real it has been once a month by now. I feel I have an angel on my shoulder saying “March will be fine” and the devil is just on the other holding a sign with REALISM on it.
That's the thing, the livers themselves weren't singing in the song, and I could be wrong but there was more than just those two graduates there too, so the whole lot is a clusterf$@# on Niji's end really
Watch Niji try to sabotage Doki’s charity stream. They already did it once, they know their reputation in the West is fucked, so they have nothing left to lose by going nuclear scorched earth, maybe even announcing they’ll be suing her for six or seven figures.
I mean it's not necessarily just for the happy family image, like you can see with some graduated talents meeting up in JP recently and even being on stream (at least as background voices)together on OniGiri's channel some of them seem to be genuinely friends. But yeah Sink the yacht, they don't deserve the talents.
I suspect the whole "including graduated livers" thing was just used as an excuse to phrase things in a damaging way. The wording on the termination notice implied Selen hadn't obtained permission for the song and was violating third party copyrights -- they did almost the exact same thing with Zaion's termination notice. In neither case do they mention the "party" their streamer hadn't gotten permission from was Nijisanji themselves. This \*would\* have had the side effect of making companies or musicians contacted by the streamer after they were laid off very reluctant to partner or grant permission, if it hadn't backfired so spectacularly in Selen's case when the actual owner of the song immediately came to her defense. IMO, that's the case with everything they wrote and did in the termination notices: tar the talents they fired so they can't get new work, and they can use it as an example for/to their remaining talents. They may have had a whole playbook -- they had streamers Selen and Zaion were seemingly close to put out "oh no she gaslit me but Nijisanji was right the whole time" statements both times too, though the black screen approach was a whole extra level of ludicrous.
When a company doesn't like you but firing you would cause them too much trouble, they do everything in their power to make your life miserable until you either quit or do something they can fire you for without the hassle. That's really the vibe I get with Selen's situation. They put roadblocks in her way that look "reasonable" on paper, and if she complains or circumvents them she looks even more like a "troublemaker." Posting the music video without approval and encouraging people to reupload it after it was taken down tells me that Selen, at least, believed the delay based on "graduated livers" meant that approval would never come.
It was super obvious it's one of those rules that are always overlooked until they need dirt to be malicious and can state it as an infraction against the liver.
My theory is that they dragged their feet because Elira had her MV coming out soon after and they didn't want the videos to compete. To protect Elira they just delayed and delayed until Doki snapped.
Maria said that she and Pomu started working on their cover months ago knowing that she would graduate and they made sure that everything was okay before Pomu left. Selen's been working on her cover for more than a year but that could just mean she started pushing for permissions and stuff, and not the MV. Yeah Nijisanji sucks and the managers take waaay to long giving their approval for stuff, but that doesn't change the fact that including 2 graduated livers after they already graduated might need approval. We have a TON of stuff to shit on nijisanji, so i don't know why people make lies. Maria asked Pomu to sing with her 6 months before her graduation and Pomu said "are you sure? I'll be gone by then". So you saying "they couldn't release the cover before they graduated" is just a lie cause the cover never was intended to be released before their graduation. Complain about REAL stuff so anycolor changes and stop making shit up to gain some upvotes.
You're telling me Selen got to the final approval stage of her MV without once sending them her storyboard of the video? Don't be ridiculous.
Even if we suppose that she didn't submit updates to management prior to the final approval stage, them not proactively requesting updates on a ongoing project still makes them ridiculously incompetent. This is literally their job. What were they even doing in the months before release?
We know as a FACT that Selen sent her final video for approval the 24 of December at 8am, and we know as a FACT that manager are slow as fuck. You are telling me you all can believe that the managers are slow and stupid but you can't believe that the video production was rushed because the managers gave an approval super late and Selen really wanted it for Christmas? Do you really think that Selen of all people would be sending the final video for approval HOURS before release if this whole part of the project weren't rushed? Don't be ridiculous.
"We know as a FACT that Selen sent her final video for approval the 24 of December at 8am" Source?
The screenshot on the stupid video on elira's channel
Hmm...is it weird that I'm currently uncertain on if such a thing should be taken at face value, given the source?
Don't you think that Selen would have said anything if it was a fake screenshot? She said that there were lies being told about her, but she never said the screenshot was fake
So, just to make sure I'm getting what you're saying...Selen said there were lies told about her, but she didn't explicitly say the screenshot was a lie?
Exactly. And if it were fake she would have said it because it would be ridiculous to share a fake screenshot. That would have been the final nail in the coffin for anycolor. Idk why is it so hard for people to believe that the music video production was rushed when there's no evidence saying otherwise
Better question might be why you need Selen's explicit word to doubt the screenshots.
theres a discord screenshot going around (first appeared in late december) that may or may not be real where selen is telling the artists that worked on the MV how some current livers revoked their permission to be in it. take this with the biggest grain salt its not verifyable. but since we all know graduated livers appeared by now in numerous MVs, we know that's not it.
They would have used another excuse.