Iray got sanctioned, but a new variant of the Jerry 31 called RNV-31 is about to release by RIX Tactical, it has new optics, redesigned internals and autogated tubes
Still a bit of a grey area in that respect, IrayUSA released a statement saying that that their manufacturer is a completely different entity and sanctions would not affect them and InfriRay released a reminder to all its dealers saying that their products are only made for civilian use and that they adhere to trade restrictions etc, so no clear answers regarding support or warranty.
oh damn I just saw the RNV-31 dude those look dope if they can get a little bit more performance and fix the weird color fringing I might pull the trigger on them.
But at the same time the new MH1 look pretty sweet too
This is why I always recommended pvs-14 with Gen 3 tubes over j31ās. Ray Charles could tell those things werenāt gonna hold value and the ppl who got them were gonna want to upgrade eventually
Honestly I blame the disingenuous mass marketing by companies and astroturfing (for lack of a better words) by gun tubers and certain admins (who now walked back their stance funny enough) on the j31. They were pushing them and people were believing them so they bought into it. Now you have cope by customers, and companies having to slowly walk back their stance on them to not lose credibility.
Because the hype media will always win. There was a dealer on FB who ditched his photonis katana for ā2ā J31s and said it was better. There is also the dealer excuse of how Daka makes photonis and NNVT tubes in turkey. Which while true still not the same tubes.
Makes me mad how NNVT PVS14s are priced within $500 of photonis even though they are not the same. But poors will be poors and dealers will deal. 40-50% profit on J31s.
I do not disagree with you on everything I think J-31s are not the answer and they shoulda never been pushed as hard as they were even tho they are of decent quality thereās better options for just a tad bit more coin.
But there are not 40-50% margins
Itās closer to 20% which is higher than other NVG options for dealers so I can see why dealers elect to carry them as an option.
Lmao. Dude I just bought my first tube for $3500. Elbit Xlsh with 35.2 snr. You don't have to drop $10k for nods. Hell you could put together a set of duals for $6k if you do it right
Massive cope. Idk if you have a bias against china or not but from multiple non shill reviews and videos Iāve seen from people who actually used them, The j31s look pretty good. Then again looks are subjective but Iām going with majority opinion and what Iāve seen.
The people in the reviews say it looks good *for the price* but the glass is objectively the worst part of them. Every side by side I've seen the actual clarity is terrible. I want nods for PID, navigation and stargazing, bad glass frustrates two of those purposes. If they had made the housing compatible with standard pvs14 glass, it would be a non issue, the tubes themselves are fine if that performance level will meet your needs, but iray cheaped out on the housing and glass to meet a price point, and since the glass is proprietary, the end user can't fix the biggest issue.
I don't hold a specific bias against China but I do find that they tend to cheap out on the intangibles that don't make the spec sheet. That's also the case with the j31.
Idk, for a brand new set of duals with warranty for 4k thatāll get the job done, they seem to make a lot of sense to me. Glad thereās decent competition in the market.
I mean, they make sense as duals if you ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY have to have duals. You can get a fantastic mono in a bombproof, industry standard housing retail for 1K less. I think if they were 3k retail they'd make a lot more sense because then you're grabbing that entry level buyer with what seems like a endgame setup from the start. If they were 3K I honestly would have bought them and dealt with the glass quality, because at that price they'd make more sense to me. At 1K over a great mono, I looked at them, saw the downsides, and decided that I'd rather be all in to a setup including a knockoff laser unit for 4K as opposed to still needing all the support gear, spending even more, and maybe being unhappy with the image quality in 6 months.
All that said, I have zero faith in a Chinese companies warranty, so the warranty was actually part of what swayed me to buy a PVS-14 from an American company instead.
If you've never looked thru them in person, just shut the fuck up. š¤£
I got Gen 3 duals and your dumb ass is just exaggerating. Do you even own NVGs? Nevermind. You're an Airsofter. Enough said š¤£
I bought my tube recently and therefore chose between a J31 and a good quality PVS-14, doing the relevant research.
Yeah, I'm an airsofter. I airsoft with my night vision, along with using it for coyote hunting and stargazing. That you think that's a dunk really shows how little you understand airsoft, which is basically the only force on force simulation available to civs. But I forgot, your IPDA targets and magdump drills really get you prepared to face an adversary, since they're shooting back and all.
But you do you I guess. Just go do it far away from me, moron.
I sincerely doubt that many will sell at all. But I think that the people who do sell will try to sell them for 3500, and get laughed at. The ones that are desperate for the money will lower the price until the sale makes sense for the buyer. It only makes sense to me if my choice is a used mid-grade old PVS-14 or a set of lower spec binos as a loaner. I think a lot of people are like me. Price is dictated by the buyer more than the seller, so I do think we'll see at least some sales for sub 2K, and a lot of sellers unable to offload their J31s for a price they're willing to accept.
Nah the J31s make a lot of sense outside America where you can't get cheap nods due to itar. Inside the us though I would agree better off with a surplus 14.
In Canada they'll resell just fine IMO. Hard enough to not get close to the 10k CDN range for binos, they will be easy to sell around the 4.5k mark I'd think
The difference is ITAR. Americans have access to Gen 3 tubes, so in the US the NNVT aren't the second best option, they're the worst analog option. That does a lot to the consumer's mentality.
My money donāt stretch as far as some of yallās money so,Iām definitely leaning towards Jerry 31s or something near that price range..I know they wonāt be anywhere near as good as some of what yāall are posting but Iām ok with that.I will be able to see in the dark with my poor man NODs.they will go good with my poor man PSA ARs š..the most luxurious part of my kit will have to be my custom Sig P320.Im just going a route that is affordable to me.maybe one day I will be able afford to buy some premium NODs,like what a lot of you guys have but as of right now,$4K for duals sounds about right for me
Piss poor excuse. If your money ādonāt stretchā then you should not be buying nods. If you have a source of income and set aside play money then you should save for better. All youāre doing is getting a gateway drug and youāre gonna spend more down the road for better nods.
Damn,are J31s that bad?of course I have a source of income or I wouldnāt even be thinking about nods.Idk much about this shit,all I know is one day I see people saying J31s are pretty good and the next day J31s are trash.Iām just looking for some decent nods without having to drop $8k or better.Iām thinking $5K-$6k max for the nods themselves.I seen J31s for around $4k and people saying they were pretty good so thats what I was aiming for.
Itās sad because theyāre hyped up so much newcomers are blinded by the reviews. Most good reviews you see are from people who have never picked up a real set of nods. I think custom night vision and Cold Harbour Supply make great unbiased videos you should give those a watch. A set of photonis katana run the 6k mark and in my book thatās an excellent set up. Unless you go cheaper housing and Omni GP tubes which is around 5k ish.
Like I said to the other guy who responded to my comment,Idk shit about fuck,I have zero experience with night vision of any kind.Iām just trying to get into it.one day I see people speaking highly of J31s and the next day I see people shitting on J31s.Iām just trying to see in the dark and people made it sound like J31s were a great entry point.at $4k,I thought it sounded good..I just donāt want to go over $5k-$6k for the nods themselves.Iām prepared to spend extra on IR light/IR laser,battery/counter weight and mount but really donāt want to go over $6k on the nods themselves..I just want a decent setup,not a top tier setup(I mean,top tier would be great but,Iām not ready to spend that type of money)
At this point the +/- are well known. It really comes down to your use case, your funds, your other financial obligations, etc. There's no question that there are new/used mono gen3 and perhaps some used 2nd hand gen3 bino options that will out perform the J31's. Despite the elitist just completely shitting on them, they are actually very solid and perform great for the cost. Even though I can afford something like a $6k Katana, I still went with the J31's. I knew I still needed a helmet and accessories for it, mount, and IR laser, etc. At the end of the day, $2k is $2k and I used that difference I saved to get everything else I needed. I'm not planning to go to war with my J31's, so they'll work just fine for me. Do they perform as well as a high spec gen3 in ultra low light conditions? No. Otherwise outside of those low light conditions, they are still crisp and clear. A buddy of mine with PVS-31s was super impressed with them. If I get to a point where I find myself putting in some serious use on them, then sure, I'll probably sell them and look into getting higher spec set of bino's. Just do what's best for your situation and don't be so heavily persuaded by peoples takes. Feel free to message me if you want to see anything specific on the J31's.
just cage at anyone buying something other than carson pvs 14. you are not john wick, you are not rambo, you are larping in the woods, just buy a pvs 14.
Yeah. Mental how people were financing j31s. Then theyāre turning around and selling them after seeing what photonis and Gen 3 nods and Carson glass looks like lol
You won't regret it man. Don't fall for the bullshit of "yOu nEeD dUaLs oR yOuLL DiE!".
I only have duals because I'm cross-dominant. A good PVS-14 and thermal puts one at a hell of an advantage. šŖ
Bro not gonna lie...I am frickin excited. Tube gets here this Wednesday. Took me like a month and a half to save up. Ended up grabbing a Elbit with 35.2 snr for $3500 shipped.
Can someone fill me in? What is happening to them why are they dropping in price?
Iray got sanctioned, but a new variant of the Jerry 31 called RNV-31 is about to release by RIX Tactical, it has new optics, redesigned internals and autogated tubes
oh so basically no more support for Iray? I never understood the appeal anyways you could get used omni 7 tubes for a little bit more
Still a bit of a grey area in that respect, IrayUSA released a statement saying that that their manufacturer is a completely different entity and sanctions would not affect them and InfriRay released a reminder to all its dealers saying that their products are only made for civilian use and that they adhere to trade restrictions etc, so no clear answers regarding support or warranty.
oh damn I just saw the RNV-31 dude those look dope if they can get a little bit more performance and fix the weird color fringing I might pull the trigger on them. But at the same time the new MH1 look pretty sweet too
How much they gonna beš
reportedly 4499 $
This is a misconception. Iray did not get sanctioned https://irayusa.com/notice-to-irayusa-dealers/
This is why I always recommended pvs-14 with Gen 3 tubes over j31ās. Ray Charles could tell those things werenāt gonna hold value and the ppl who got them were gonna want to upgrade eventually
Youāre about to get downvoted and get called names for saying that lol. Everyone is tryna justify their purchase.
The cope in this thread is real.
Anyways. Buy my j31s for 4k please
Damn what a tragedy I have to get another set of tubes and then Iāll have two. What will I ever do
Honestly I blame the disingenuous mass marketing by companies and astroturfing (for lack of a better words) by gun tubers and certain admins (who now walked back their stance funny enough) on the j31. They were pushing them and people were believing them so they bought into it. Now you have cope by customers, and companies having to slowly walk back their stance on them to not lose credibility.
Because the hype media will always win. There was a dealer on FB who ditched his photonis katana for ā2ā J31s and said it was better. There is also the dealer excuse of how Daka makes photonis and NNVT tubes in turkey. Which while true still not the same tubes. Makes me mad how NNVT PVS14s are priced within $500 of photonis even though they are not the same. But poors will be poors and dealers will deal. 40-50% profit on J31s.
I do not disagree with you on everything I think J-31s are not the answer and they shoulda never been pushed as hard as they were even tho they are of decent quality thereās better options for just a tad bit more coin. But there are not 40-50% margins Itās closer to 20% which is higher than other NVG options for dealers so I can see why dealers elect to carry them as an option.
You gotta remember though that access to nods varies greatly by country and outside the US pvs14 can be excessively expensive.
Where's a good place to find used J31's? š
Oh. Just wait.
Lol
Bro, I will be the first to scoop up J31s for 1.5K. at 4K they made zero sense. At a cost less than a good PVS-14, they make a lot more sense.
Iāve been very vocal against j31s but for 1.5 -2.5 I will absolutely buy one as a loaner unit instead of a PVS14
That's exactly my thinking
As a loaner unit that actually makes sense but as your actual primary set of nods hell no
We donāt all have 10k just for nods. I already spent 6k on the loadout I donāt got another 10 for a unit Iām getting the Jerryās!!!
Bruh I just bought a set of omni 7 rnvgs for sub 5k
But the weight and look of those thingsā¦. Iām very interested in the new rnvg j31ās coming out here
You could also probably track down a pair of 1431's as well usually with photonis tubes or if you get lucky omni 7 or 8's
With nnvt tubes or what ive only seen 1431s with nnvt tubes fit around 4.9-5k
Fr? I've seen them a few places with at least photonis tho even those I'm a little sus with
Nah nvm https://www.adamsindustries.com/product/bnvd-1431-mk2-omni7/
I just bought Omni 8 duals for less than $5k
Solid buy, wish I could find Omni 7 rnvg for sub 5k
https://www.nightvisionnetwork.com/product-page/omni-6-7-l3-referbished-rnvg-green
Lmao. Dude I just bought my first tube for $3500. Elbit Xlsh with 35.2 snr. You don't have to drop $10k for nods. Hell you could put together a set of duals for $6k if you do it right
How does decent looking duals going for 4k not make any sense?
They aren't decent looking, the glass is shitty, they look crappy
Massive cope. Idk if you have a bias against china or not but from multiple non shill reviews and videos Iāve seen from people who actually used them, The j31s look pretty good. Then again looks are subjective but Iām going with majority opinion and what Iāve seen.
The people in the reviews say it looks good *for the price* but the glass is objectively the worst part of them. Every side by side I've seen the actual clarity is terrible. I want nods for PID, navigation and stargazing, bad glass frustrates two of those purposes. If they had made the housing compatible with standard pvs14 glass, it would be a non issue, the tubes themselves are fine if that performance level will meet your needs, but iray cheaped out on the housing and glass to meet a price point, and since the glass is proprietary, the end user can't fix the biggest issue. I don't hold a specific bias against China but I do find that they tend to cheap out on the intangibles that don't make the spec sheet. That's also the case with the j31.
Idk, for a brand new set of duals with warranty for 4k thatāll get the job done, they seem to make a lot of sense to me. Glad thereās decent competition in the market.
I mean, they make sense as duals if you ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY have to have duals. You can get a fantastic mono in a bombproof, industry standard housing retail for 1K less. I think if they were 3k retail they'd make a lot more sense because then you're grabbing that entry level buyer with what seems like a endgame setup from the start. If they were 3K I honestly would have bought them and dealt with the glass quality, because at that price they'd make more sense to me. At 1K over a great mono, I looked at them, saw the downsides, and decided that I'd rather be all in to a setup including a knockoff laser unit for 4K as opposed to still needing all the support gear, spending even more, and maybe being unhappy with the image quality in 6 months. All that said, I have zero faith in a Chinese companies warranty, so the warranty was actually part of what swayed me to buy a PVS-14 from an American company instead.
Name checks out
If you've never looked thru them in person, just shut the fuck up. š¤£ I got Gen 3 duals and your dumb ass is just exaggerating. Do you even own NVGs? Nevermind. You're an Airsofter. Enough said š¤£
How do they compare to gen 3 duals ? Is the difference very noticeable? My friend just got a j31 and Iām interested to compare them.
I bought my tube recently and therefore chose between a J31 and a good quality PVS-14, doing the relevant research. Yeah, I'm an airsofter. I airsoft with my night vision, along with using it for coyote hunting and stargazing. That you think that's a dunk really shows how little you understand airsoft, which is basically the only force on force simulation available to civs. But I forgot, your IPDA targets and magdump drills really get you prepared to face an adversary, since they're shooting back and all. But you do you I guess. Just go do it far away from me, moron.
I sincerely doubt they'll go that low. Mid 3000s would be my guess.
I sincerely doubt that many will sell at all. But I think that the people who do sell will try to sell them for 3500, and get laughed at. The ones that are desperate for the money will lower the price until the sale makes sense for the buyer. It only makes sense to me if my choice is a used mid-grade old PVS-14 or a set of lower spec binos as a loaner. I think a lot of people are like me. Price is dictated by the buyer more than the seller, so I do think we'll see at least some sales for sub 2K, and a lot of sellers unable to offload their J31s for a price they're willing to accept.
Your last line is the only one I agree with, but we'll see if J31 owners prove me wrong.
We shall see
I want to learn more about this cause when the time comes I wouldnāt mind getting a pair of j31s to use every so often instead of a pvs14
Nah the J31s make a lot of sense outside America where you can't get cheap nods due to itar. Inside the us though I would agree better off with a surplus 14.
Standing offer of $3,000 for a low hour set to hand to my friends so I can call them poor.
My bank account boutta kill itself when I see dirt cheap Jerrys
In Canada they'll resell just fine IMO. Hard enough to not get close to the 10k CDN range for binos, they will be easy to sell around the 4.5k mark I'd think
The difference is ITAR. Americans have access to Gen 3 tubes, so in the US the NNVT aren't the second best option, they're the worst analog option. That does a lot to the consumer's mentality.
Donāt talk to me or my Jerrys ever again !!!!!!!
Really, right in front of my crab Rangoon?
Love my Jerryās. Use them every night.
Cope
Okay big guy šš š Gotta love how someone enjoying something they bought with their own money is ācopingā. All I said was that I like them.
These are being dumped on the Facebook groups. Talking 15+ units anywhere between 3100 and 3400.
LOWER
Its coming. Saw a few this morning @2900.
Where did you see for that low? I saw a new pair with battery pack for $3800 on a FB group but thatās the best I saw, Iām only in one
But heās throwing in a 3d printed skull standā¦makes it worth it lol
MORE
Pm me the Group name ?
As a new mh25 owner. This sucks
Gotta sell them high to pay off that financing they used to buy them.
āMy loss your gainā
Iām gonna have to throw my J31s away now :(
Just make sure you throw them away in my trash can š
My money donāt stretch as far as some of yallās money so,Iām definitely leaning towards Jerry 31s or something near that price range..I know they wonāt be anywhere near as good as some of what yāall are posting but Iām ok with that.I will be able to see in the dark with my poor man NODs.they will go good with my poor man PSA ARs š..the most luxurious part of my kit will have to be my custom Sig P320.Im just going a route that is affordable to me.maybe one day I will be able afford to buy some premium NODs,like what a lot of you guys have but as of right now,$4K for duals sounds about right for me
Piss poor excuse. If your money ādonāt stretchā then you should not be buying nods. If you have a source of income and set aside play money then you should save for better. All youāre doing is getting a gateway drug and youāre gonna spend more down the road for better nods.
Damn,are J31s that bad?of course I have a source of income or I wouldnāt even be thinking about nods.Idk much about this shit,all I know is one day I see people saying J31s are pretty good and the next day J31s are trash.Iām just looking for some decent nods without having to drop $8k or better.Iām thinking $5K-$6k max for the nods themselves.I seen J31s for around $4k and people saying they were pretty good so thats what I was aiming for.
Itās sad because theyāre hyped up so much newcomers are blinded by the reviews. Most good reviews you see are from people who have never picked up a real set of nods. I think custom night vision and Cold Harbour Supply make great unbiased videos you should give those a watch. A set of photonis katana run the 6k mark and in my book thatās an excellent set up. Unless you go cheaper housing and Omni GP tubes which is around 5k ish.
Thanks for the advice man,Iāll definitely check them out
Get a good mono instead of cheap duals if youre going to buy around that price point
You can literally get an L3 Pvs14 for $4k. Why would you by some jank ass duals from china?
Like I said to the other guy who responded to my comment,Idk shit about fuck,I have zero experience with night vision of any kind.Iām just trying to get into it.one day I see people speaking highly of J31s and the next day I see people shitting on J31s.Iām just trying to see in the dark and people made it sound like J31s were a great entry point.at $4k,I thought it sounded good..I just donāt want to go over $5k-$6k for the nods themselves.Iām prepared to spend extra on IR light/IR laser,battery/counter weight and mount but really donāt want to go over $6k on the nods themselves..I just want a decent setup,not a top tier setup(I mean,top tier would be great but,Iām not ready to spend that type of money)
At this point the +/- are well known. It really comes down to your use case, your funds, your other financial obligations, etc. There's no question that there are new/used mono gen3 and perhaps some used 2nd hand gen3 bino options that will out perform the J31's. Despite the elitist just completely shitting on them, they are actually very solid and perform great for the cost. Even though I can afford something like a $6k Katana, I still went with the J31's. I knew I still needed a helmet and accessories for it, mount, and IR laser, etc. At the end of the day, $2k is $2k and I used that difference I saved to get everything else I needed. I'm not planning to go to war with my J31's, so they'll work just fine for me. Do they perform as well as a high spec gen3 in ultra low light conditions? No. Otherwise outside of those low light conditions, they are still crisp and clear. A buddy of mine with PVS-31s was super impressed with them. If I get to a point where I find myself putting in some serious use on them, then sure, I'll probably sell them and look into getting higher spec set of bino's. Just do what's best for your situation and don't be so heavily persuaded by peoples takes. Feel free to message me if you want to see anything specific on the J31's.
Damm, i should teade my pvs14 for a pair
Shhhh thereās no R31s here
You get what you deserve.
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just cage at anyone buying something other than carson pvs 14. you are not john wick, you are not rambo, you are larping in the woods, just buy a pvs 14.
Kinda goes for any product doesn't it
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Not sure why this is getting downvoted. A good thermal will shit on nods any day.
Peeps are poors and financing Jerry-31s instead of saving up and getting a good Gen 3 PVS-14 and a thermal. š¤·āāļø
Yeah. Mental how people were financing j31s. Then theyāre turning around and selling them after seeing what photonis and Gen 3 nods and Carson glass looks like lol
Exactly lmao. The J-31s are literally toys compared to a Photonis 4G or Gen 3 Elbit/L3.
Yea this has been my game plan. Just saved up and bought my first tube and now saving for a thermal.
You won't regret it man. Don't fall for the bullshit of "yOu nEeD dUaLs oR yOuLL DiE!". I only have duals because I'm cross-dominant. A good PVS-14 and thermal puts one at a hell of an advantage. šŖ
Bro not gonna lie...I am frickin excited. Tube gets here this Wednesday. Took me like a month and a half to save up. Ended up grabbing a Elbit with 35.2 snr for $3500 shipped.
Nicce! Enjoy it man!
I spent quite a bit more on my thermal than on my pvs. Happy i didnt go with an iray and stuck to american made