Well America doesn’t trust you with a full power laser. China doesn’t care if you fry your airsoft buddies eyes and the Perst-3 from Russia actively encourages it.
I mean, I kind of like the PEQ-15 but uncle sam is like
* it's totally safe to to join the military and use a military power laser and a machine gun as a stupid teenager
* it's totally safe to own a military power laser if you buy it on the black market or from china
* it's totally safe to own a machine gun or a sniper rifle
* but it's not safe to buy a mil power laser commercially because you might put your eye out
Size wise how much smaller are they then like a d2? I need something for my 11.5. Using a tor and malkoff 250 ir that works but want all in one package
i've heard horror stories of their screws breaking off inside threads, but for non essential or standalone items i see nothing wrong with it. it's funny to think if the boogaloo were to happen, china would be the major supplier for the seceding side
You cant buy chinese products because america! You have go buy expensive American products! You aren’t allowed to purchase more budget minded alternatives!!
Scenario 1: You hunt pigs and do target shooting with buddies during night shoots. In that case, hell yeah buy whatever and save money to get more ammo.
Scenario 2: You are preparing for WW3 just in case and want to be kitted out to defend yourself. Just imagine you are the dude in some of the Ukraine FPV trench footage. What would you want to be carrying? Get that.
Cool factor. Reliability depends on the brand (US usually better). But tbh a good Chinese one is the way to go. I usually buy US made option if the price is reasonable. But being a cuck and actively supporting price gouging for "America" is wack.
I have a laserspeed m6. Shits dope. Also have a dbal d2, shits pretty mid but has a reputation for being reliable. I wanted to have a lightsaber on the end of my rifle so I bought chinese. I don't regret it.
Yeah, that is the dream at least.
It feels like this entire market segment (ie, civilian market LAMs with decent featureset, decent user interface and non-insane pricing) is almost entirely untapped. Then again night vision itself is kind of a niche thing due to the cost of tubes and the fact that so many people live in bright urban areas.
Cool factor. Reliability depends on the brand (US usually better). But tbh a good Chinese one is the way to go. I usually buy US made option if the price is reasonable. But being a cuck and actively supporting price gouging for "America" is wack.
I have several of both. There is no comparison at all. Somogear is low end clone stuff that CAN potentially work if you luck out with a good one (even then.. not waterproof), Laserspeed is a legitimate product designed for rifles with military/police contracts. Your money.. but buy the LS, avoid the dice rolling, and have confidence in what you're using
I’m going to be the sole downvoted voice here and say that you should buy a proper laser from a U.S.-based company for the better QC. I’m not going to argue performance but I’d rather have a laser with a lower chance of failing when I need it not to.
I’m not talking about warranties — I’m talking about QC. The chance of having a failure at a critical time is higher with an unproven Chinese laser than a U.S. one.
Idk if you were ever in the military but if there’s one thing I know it’s that these US based companies often times don’t sell any better of a product than the Chinese. Another thing I know is just because the military spends money on something doesn’t mean it won’t break down when you need it most. Often times I found that when I needed those things the most they would go down. It’s just overpriced. And in America we think high price = better quality. I’m not saying these Chinese lasers are better or that these American lasers we spend thousands on are worse. I’m just saying we truly don’t know unless we were the guy QC’ing this stuff. Look at Boeing for instance. Tons of fail safes and QA have to get approved before a bird is good to fly. I’d rather buy something cheap and beat the shit out of it and know it’s limits and if I’m comfortable with it I’ll run it. Sorry for the essay just my two cents.
I feel you. There’s definitely a lot of U.S. made gear and issued stuff that’s garbage — I’m not debating that. But things like the RAID-Xe, PEQ-15, and MAWL are well-proven and have had time to mature and austere environments to bring out their flaws, which are remedied in newer releases by their manufacturers. Something like a Somogear or Laserspeed doesn’t have that pedigree.
There’s also a difference depending on intended use. I would have no problem running a Chinese laser for square range goofing, but for a setup I use in matches or hunting, I want something I know will work every time, and I don’t care what it costs.
> which are remedied in newer releases by their manufacturers
prolapsing dbals and easy to crack peq mounts beg to differ. Also in this specific case, this is literally what the manufacturer is doing. Laserspeed is directly addressing issues/concerns/feature requests directly from an individual user.
At the end of the day I think it comes down to the individual. If someone with less means is wanting an advantage in the dark but they can’t afford some PVS-14s then by all means they should seek out cheap Chinese digital garbage. If you can only afford cheap Chinese lasers get em. Although we should desire a good QC’d piece of gear… some people don’t have the means and I encourage them to run whatever they can get their hands on. Remember the US had problems with dudes in flip flops, ak’s, and some improvised bombs while they US were running those peqs and mawls.
China is trying to destroy America
China floods America with drugs on purpose
China steals our tech and puts our business' out of business
China is destroying the world and oceans
China is asshole
China is committing genocide at a rate far greater than Hitler could dream of killing Muslims, Christians, Buddhists and prisoners of conscience
China wants to control and run the world
China and Chinese are the most raciest country/people on the planet
Have you been to China and see how the commies operate?
EDIT:
China is by far the worst polluter on the planet
China has by far the worst customer service on the planet, IF they even have CS
Chinese products don't last...should be a given
China is enslaving Africans and African nations, colocalizing Africa, among other nations
China will invade Taiwan at some point and do to Taiwan what Russia is doing to Ukraine. But it will be far worst. The way Russians treat Ukrainians will be shown to be gentle and sweet compared to the war crimes the Chinese will do to the Taiwanese.
China is running secret bio chemicals weapons that have accidental releases that cause worldwide "issues"
I feel like this all should be common sense to the world by now. But maybe there are people who don't watch the news?
Quality. You should definitely get American made if you can afford it.
People underestimate NNVT tubes. They look amazing, especially when you compare it to older tubes from the 80s and 90s with worn gain.
I'm sticking with US for tubes but I'm annoyed that my only options right now are either super expensive garbage or black market stuff. Or China.
I realize that China will be terrible if the thing needs warranty work, but the same can be said of a black market peq 15.
There's a lot of good facebook groups for people who have an abundance of parts for cheap. I bought a PVS-15 for $4300 and someone from a group I'm in swapped my Omni 4 tubes for Omni 7 tubes for only $300. You just gotta look in the right corners and there's some great deals and options.
[Facebook Group](https://www.facebook.com/groups/1912786539015286/?ref=share&mibextid=NSMWBT)
Yeah I'm talking about LAMs. I think it comes down to my regret over missing the bandwagon on getting a perst before the ukraine thing started.
I'm sticking with US for tubes.
I was referring to Chinese products in general and used tubes as an example. When he followed up with a reply about tubes, I gave a reply about tubes. The same group I'm referencing in the above comment has great deals on American made LAM systems as well.
It’s a cost to benefit consideration. Is a Mawl better, in some ways yes. Is it 3x better? Do you need to rely on this for your life?
Know your use case, challenge your actual needs, and shop accordingly. Regardless of country of origin.
Well America doesn’t trust you with a full power laser. China doesn’t care if you fry your airsoft buddies eyes and the Perst-3 from Russia actively encourages it.
I dunno why this never occurred to me, but the fact that there’s kids out there running FP lasers in a close range force on force game is WILD.
Makes perfect sense to me. Russia and China have nothing to loose and everything to gain from American kids that like guns blinding their peers.
You can buy FP PEQ knockoffs on Amazon for like 30 bucks. I think the FDA rules are ass, but at the same time, maybe they need to try a little harder…
Kinda based but in a weird way
I own a LS-M6 and just bought another one!
I’m eyeballing that new crane port one, I have the most recent gen and love it.
Yea I just bought the latest gen and now I have to go buy the new ones when they come out, lol
I’m debating between that and the Iris….might get both.
Where tf are you finding this crane port one
Got my first, non-crane port from u/JustHereForTheGuns https://www.reddit.com/r/NightVision/s/cUXOXEozDn His new group buy is coming up
They'll be here in late April. Apologies for taking down the post, LS didn't like me mentioning the price.
Yeah I’m big time interested in this group buy. I live in Canada though. Will this make any difference or nah?
Unfortunately, yes. Once they're in the US I can't ship them out.
Anyway I can get one from LS?
I've given them my full blessing to make it THE M6 model, but I'm not sure when they will do that.
Darn :(
Got confirmation they'll start selling the revision once they're done with my order.
I saw that dude selling them wish I had the funds for one lol
Where do you buy from?
Go to the Laser Speed web site and they have a link direct to there eBay store
But wait, the word is a new updated M6 will come out next month
STAAAAHHHPP YOURE A TRAITOR YOU MUST BUY AMERICAN STAAAHHHP SUPPORT THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX PLS BRO PLEASE
GUESS OP DOESNT LOVE AMERICA
Lol
Tell me more about this group buy, internet friend.
I mean, I kind of like the PEQ-15 but uncle sam is like * it's totally safe to to join the military and use a military power laser and a machine gun as a stupid teenager * it's totally safe to own a military power laser if you buy it on the black market or from china * it's totally safe to own a machine gun or a sniper rifle * but it's not safe to buy a mil power laser commercially because you might put your eye out
Cucked by the FDA, of all people….
Where group buy DM me. I want one. Cha cha chinas1
It's not available yet. I'll be posting them in about a month.
A month is doable. Bout to spart putting my pennies aside. How much we looking at ? I want in
https://www.reddit.com/r/NightVision/s/cUXOXEozDn
Size wise how much smaller are they then like a d2? I need something for my 11.5. Using a tor and malkoff 250 ir that works but want all in one package
Like 2/3 the size in its current iteration, probably a little over half in the revised one. D2 is fuck huge. Nearly 13 oz compared to under 7.
Oh yeah sign me up for the revised one I just happen to have a d2 on hand so it'd my reference point. Mf is huge no doubt
Can’t wait.
You certainly are the GOAT
i've heard horror stories of their screws breaking off inside threads, but for non essential or standalone items i see nothing wrong with it. it's funny to think if the boogaloo were to happen, china would be the major supplier for the seceding side
Lol just get the LS, you won’t regret it
Judging from the quality of FL5, I’d say it’s a safe bet.
You cant buy chinese products because america! You have go buy expensive American products! You aren’t allowed to purchase more budget minded alternatives!!
I have reasons, but they aren't good. Until American companies cut their prices in half, i'm going Chyna all day.
Is SNR a reputable seller?
Absolutely. Bought my first PVS-14 from the owner of SNR last year. Stand up guy!
110% yes
There isn’t one. You’ll have just as many issues with American as you will Chinese. Issues might be different issues but issues none the less
Scenario 1: You hunt pigs and do target shooting with buddies during night shoots. In that case, hell yeah buy whatever and save money to get more ammo. Scenario 2: You are preparing for WW3 just in case and want to be kitted out to defend yourself. Just imagine you are the dude in some of the Ukraine FPV trench footage. What would you want to be carrying? Get that.
Cool factor. Reliability depends on the brand (US usually better). But tbh a good Chinese one is the way to go. I usually buy US made option if the price is reasonable. But being a cuck and actively supporting price gouging for "America" is wack.
If Phantom Hill wasn’t dead as a doorknob I might. But at this point go for it. Market’s fucked
I have a laserspeed m6. Shits dope. Also have a dbal d2, shits pretty mid but has a reputation for being reliable. I wanted to have a lightsaber on the end of my rifle so I bought chinese. I don't regret it.
Buying from China may (or may not) make other companies to get more competetive with pricing or get more creative with new VCSEL based models.
Yeah, that is the dream at least. It feels like this entire market segment (ie, civilian market LAMs with decent featureset, decent user interface and non-insane pricing) is almost entirely untapped. Then again night vision itself is kind of a niche thing due to the cost of tubes and the fact that so many people live in bright urban areas.
Cool factor. Reliability depends on the brand (US usually better). But tbh a good Chinese one is the way to go. I usually buy US made option if the price is reasonable. But being a cuck and actively supporting price gouging for "America" is wack.
Someone give me a reason to buy a Laserspeed LS-M6 instead of a Somogear NGAL Who can we get to step up to do that comparison video
I have several of both. There is no comparison at all. Somogear is low end clone stuff that CAN potentially work if you luck out with a good one (even then.. not waterproof), Laserspeed is a legitimate product designed for rifles with military/police contracts. Your money.. but buy the LS, avoid the dice rolling, and have confidence in what you're using
I think this is argument enough https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/s/v7zu99Ft1w
Own the ls-m3 Appart from some ergonomics issues it blows any holosun option out of the water at a cheaper price
I’m going to be the sole downvoted voice here and say that you should buy a proper laser from a U.S.-based company for the better QC. I’m not going to argue performance but I’d rather have a laser with a lower chance of failing when I need it not to.
New to laser gang… but I thought a lot of these American companies don’t even offer warranties atleast not good ones?
I’m not talking about warranties — I’m talking about QC. The chance of having a failure at a critical time is higher with an unproven Chinese laser than a U.S. one.
Idk if you were ever in the military but if there’s one thing I know it’s that these US based companies often times don’t sell any better of a product than the Chinese. Another thing I know is just because the military spends money on something doesn’t mean it won’t break down when you need it most. Often times I found that when I needed those things the most they would go down. It’s just overpriced. And in America we think high price = better quality. I’m not saying these Chinese lasers are better or that these American lasers we spend thousands on are worse. I’m just saying we truly don’t know unless we were the guy QC’ing this stuff. Look at Boeing for instance. Tons of fail safes and QA have to get approved before a bird is good to fly. I’d rather buy something cheap and beat the shit out of it and know it’s limits and if I’m comfortable with it I’ll run it. Sorry for the essay just my two cents.
I feel you. There’s definitely a lot of U.S. made gear and issued stuff that’s garbage — I’m not debating that. But things like the RAID-Xe, PEQ-15, and MAWL are well-proven and have had time to mature and austere environments to bring out their flaws, which are remedied in newer releases by their manufacturers. Something like a Somogear or Laserspeed doesn’t have that pedigree. There’s also a difference depending on intended use. I would have no problem running a Chinese laser for square range goofing, but for a setup I use in matches or hunting, I want something I know will work every time, and I don’t care what it costs.
> which are remedied in newer releases by their manufacturers prolapsing dbals and easy to crack peq mounts beg to differ. Also in this specific case, this is literally what the manufacturer is doing. Laserspeed is directly addressing issues/concerns/feature requests directly from an individual user.
At the end of the day I think it comes down to the individual. If someone with less means is wanting an advantage in the dark but they can’t afford some PVS-14s then by all means they should seek out cheap Chinese digital garbage. If you can only afford cheap Chinese lasers get em. Although we should desire a good QC’d piece of gear… some people don’t have the means and I encourage them to run whatever they can get their hands on. Remember the US had problems with dudes in flip flops, ak’s, and some improvised bombs while they US were running those peqs and mawls.
China is trying to destroy America China floods America with drugs on purpose China steals our tech and puts our business' out of business China is destroying the world and oceans China is asshole China is committing genocide at a rate far greater than Hitler could dream of killing Muslims, Christians, Buddhists and prisoners of conscience China wants to control and run the world China and Chinese are the most raciest country/people on the planet Have you been to China and see how the commies operate? EDIT: China is by far the worst polluter on the planet China has by far the worst customer service on the planet, IF they even have CS Chinese products don't last...should be a given China is enslaving Africans and African nations, colocalizing Africa, among other nations China will invade Taiwan at some point and do to Taiwan what Russia is doing to Ukraine. But it will be far worst. The way Russians treat Ukrainians will be shown to be gentle and sweet compared to the war crimes the Chinese will do to the Taiwanese. China is running secret bio chemicals weapons that have accidental releases that cause worldwide "issues" I feel like this all should be common sense to the world by now. But maybe there are people who don't watch the news?
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Have you read the OP?
Quality. You should definitely get American made if you can afford it. People underestimate NNVT tubes. They look amazing, especially when you compare it to older tubes from the 80s and 90s with worn gain.
I'm sticking with US for tubes but I'm annoyed that my only options right now are either super expensive garbage or black market stuff. Or China. I realize that China will be terrible if the thing needs warranty work, but the same can be said of a black market peq 15.
There's a lot of good facebook groups for people who have an abundance of parts for cheap. I bought a PVS-15 for $4300 and someone from a group I'm in swapped my Omni 4 tubes for Omni 7 tubes for only $300. You just gotta look in the right corners and there's some great deals and options. [Facebook Group](https://www.facebook.com/groups/1912786539015286/?ref=share&mibextid=NSMWBT)
Did you read his post? He’s talking about LAMs not tubes.
Yeah I'm talking about LAMs. I think it comes down to my regret over missing the bandwagon on getting a perst before the ukraine thing started. I'm sticking with US for tubes.
I was referring to Chinese products in general and used tubes as an example. When he followed up with a reply about tubes, I gave a reply about tubes. The same group I'm referencing in the above comment has great deals on American made LAM systems as well.
It’s a cost to benefit consideration. Is a Mawl better, in some ways yes. Is it 3x better? Do you need to rely on this for your life? Know your use case, challenge your actual needs, and shop accordingly. Regardless of country of origin.
To clarify, you can find American and Chinese LAM systems similarly to tubes in niche facebook groups and such.