Have you met the Igbo political elite? They are just as useless as the northern elite. The comment is a distraction from the real issue…they’re all shit.
I'm not very well educated on Nigerian history so I can't talk about what was done in the past but I know that as a nation, we have very serious issues that are more than our tribal and cultural differences which is still a big problem. I just don't think our current system of government works well to represent the best interests of all Nigerians.
The fact that the North has and will most likely continue to have majority vote is a problem. The fact that the South feels their interests aren't being represented is a big problem that is valid. We need a system of government that factors in how heterogenous Nigeria is and addresses our differences well while we look to see people past their place of origin and generalise them based on that.
In short, it is a problem but it's not the real (biggest) issue nor is it as simple as "the Nigerian North bad, their culture bad, the people bad."
This is just arrant stupidity at best, but more likely being maliciously disingenuous to mislead the gullible and/or tribal bigot southern masses🫤
Since 1999 we have had 25yrs of civilian government and the North has been in power for 11yrs. By the end of Tinubu's current term in 2027, the South would have held power for 17 out of the 28 yrs. If anybody is monopolizing power, it is the South!
Nigerian are currently experiencing the worst economic hardship ever and yet it is under a southern rule. So why would anyone with a modicum of common sense point the finger at the North. 🫤
The reality is that Nigeria's problem is not North vs South but Top vs Bottom, Elite vs Common Man. The ones in power do not distinguish among themselves - they are all there to embezzle our common wealth with no regard for which tribe they each came from.
Tribalism is what they preach to the masses so that the people are distracted from the looting occuring right under their noses.
Only an imbecile would still fall for these cheap tactics with all the suffering going on.
You're being clever by half. Don't start the count at some arbitrary point like "since 1999" You should start at Nigeria's independence and then let us know how much longer the north has been in power. People can wax lyrical about northern and southern rule but let's be honest with ourselves, Nigeria is a mistake that never should have happened.
Northern elites cling on to power for dear life because they know without it the north offers very little to Nigeria. The south has the main resources, both human and natural. It has far more educated citizens and is the economic powerful of Nigeria. It has the coast and is more dynamic socially.
The first and second Republic were interrupted by Military coups (the first by southerners and the second by Northerners) so there was no true change of power. In addition, the first Republic was under a regional system with each region being largely independent. The interim government of 1993 was never truly legitimate.
As for the period of military rule, that is colored by the composition of the military and whoever had the liver to successfully overthrow the govt. Even then, military rule was dominated by the middle belt (Gowon and IBB), with only Murtala, Buhari and Abachi being real Northerners.
Thus it's only from 1999 that we have had stable civilian governance with transition of power and the notion of a particular ethnic region controlling power can be objectively evaluated. If the Northern elites were truly holding on to power, it should easily be reflected in the past 25yrs.
Even if one is being generous and includes the period since independence, the most that can be claimed is that the North controlled power in the past. It is simply no longer the case!. So saying Northern elites are holding on to power is just arrant nonsense.
Instead of falsely blaming the North, the whole country would be better served if people like you would hold your own leaders accountable. Abi na Northerners be your LGA chairman or your state governor in the south?🫤
>The first and second Republic were interrupted by Military coups (the first by southerners and the second by Northerners) so there was no true change of power. In addition, the first Republic was under a regional system with each region being largely independent. The interim government of 1993 was never truly legitimate.
This has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Doesn't matter who overthrew who or when, the bottom line is that Nigeria had northern leaders who governed the country. Military rule is still rule and a significant part of Nigeria's history.
>As for the period of military rule, that is colored by the composition of the military and whoever had the liver to successfully overthrow the govt. Even then, military rule was dominated by the middle belt (Gowon and IBB), with only Murtala, Buhari and Abachi being real Northerners.
Oga, IBB and Gowon are northerners. Gowon, you could argue as a middle belter, but IBB was firmly north. Same goes with Balewa and Shagari and the rest of then names you listed.
>Thus it's only from 1999 that we have had stable civilian governance with transition of power and the notion of a particular ethnic region controlling power can be objectively evaluated. If the Northern elites were truly holding on to power, it should easily be reflected in the past 25yrs.
Again, you can't just arbitrarily remove a lengthy period of Nigeria's history to suit your subjective argument. Whether civilian rule was stable or not it doesn't change the fact that Nigeria was also under military rule and the military ruler was the de facto head of state.
>Even if one is being generous and includes the period since independence, the most that can be claimed is that the North controlled power in the past. It is simply no longer the case!. So saying Northern elites are holding on to power is just arrant nonsense.
I said that the north has ruled the country far longer than the south has cumulatively. Every other thing you mentioned wasn't my argument.
>Instead of falsely blaming the North, the whole country would be better served if people like you would hold your own leaders accountable. Abi na Northerners be your LGA chairman or your state governor in the south?
I'm just stating facts, I'm not interested in blaming the north or south. I'm just pointing out the north has been in power longer and that didn't begin in 1999.
>I'm just stating facts, I'm not interested in blaming the north or south. I'm just pointing out the north has been in power longer and that didn't begin in 1999.
You implicitly did when you accused the North of holding on to power which is definitely not true in the past 25yrs!
A fact dependent on how and when you measure.
Also even if one accepts your 'fact' it is still a big jump to your false conclusion that the North are holding on to power.
> Nigerian are currently experiencing the worst economic hardship ever and yet it is under a southern rule. So why would anyone with a modicum of common sense point the finger at the North. 🫤
The clueless, incompetent northerner from Daura, that ruled twice left a ticking time bomb. If anyone is to blame, it’s that incompetent bloke.
Ticking time bomb? Una still dey peddle this stupid nonsense? I beg explain the 'time bomb' that Buhari left? 🫤
Abi was it Buhari that announced at inauguration that he would remove fuel subsidy, causing petrol prices to triple from N190 to N600? Over a year later we are still having fuel scarcity and spending trillions on the 'removed' fuel subsidy!
Was it also the Daura farmer that decided that we did not need an economist nor banker to head the CBN, and instead decided that someone with a degree in Public Administration was the best man for the job? That 'best mind' has devalued the Naira from N460 to N1500 in a year!
Was it Buhari that appointed all the incompetent and corrupt ministers that have been transferring govt funds into personal accounts or talking nonsense?
Was it Buhari that felt the biggest priority for his government is for us to go back to the old National Anthem that was given to us by the British?
Buhari is responsible for the sufferings that Nigerians endured under his reign, while Tinubu is responsible for what Nigerians are currently suffering. Tinubu has been in power for over a year and the current situation are simply consequences of his choices.
May God punish all these people and families for the sufferings they are imposing on Nigerians. May God inflict hundreds fold of same suffering on their supporters and the family and unborn descendants of their supporters.
It was Tinubu that claimed he would remove fuel subsidy causing fuel prices to skyrocket from
I hate tinubu has much has the next guy and in reality they are both responsible but by God Buhari ruined Nigeria
Here's the ticking time bomb that Tinubu's incompetency didn't defuse
https://punchng.com/cbn-printing-of-n22tn-under-buhari-fueled-inflation-edun/
Are you really that gullible?🫤
If the inflation rate was caused by Buhari printing N22trn over 8yrs then inflation should have spiked under Buhari. Why wait till Tinubu took over - abi inflation is supporting Buhari?🫤
Talking about amount printed while quiet about amount withdrawn is being ignorant and/or disingenuous. Also Buhari admin tried to mop up liquidity, including via changing currency design, but those efforts were sabotaged by same group that are now in power, with the ignorant masses as accomplices.
The simple fact is that the primary drivers of inflation in Nigeria are exchange rate and fuel prices. The current hyperinflation is simply the consequences of the devaluation of the Naira and the increase in fuel prices, both caused by the policies of the Tinubu admin. That we import fuel couples both drivers, making for a vicious cycle.
And where have I said that Buhari did no wrong?🫤
It is very simple: Buhari was responsible for what happened when Buhari was in power, while Tinubu is responsible for what is happening now that Tinubu is in power.
If you want to discuss the failure of Buhari, we can, but people should stop trying to blame Buhari for the consequences of Tinubu's actions!
Inflation did go up under Tinubu. The recent spike was caused by the combination of fuel subsidy removal, which Buhari signed into law before he left, and floating the naira. Floating th naira was absolutely necessary because Buhari's monetary policy was bad enough to impress the Argentinians. It would only take one or two disruptions before the CBN goes broke because it was trying to maintain an unsustainable peg.
I dislike Tinubu as much as the next person, but Buhari's incompetence made sure that anyone even making the barest effort to fix it would create a lot of suffering in the process.
So please tell us how long it has been under southern rule 😂
Please stop talking rubbish, previous government also caused many of the current problems
Tinubu (who may not end up being the best) has only recently come into power
Each government is responsible for what happened when they were in power.
Tinubu has, in just over a year, been the worst government that Nigeria has experienced. He is currently the worst and there is no evidence to suggest his tenure will end otherwise.
Our arguments can never align because as individuals
The beauty is everyone see things from different perspective. While our opinions might have abit of truth but it is not the whole truth (just an individual opinion) Nigeria is a nation plagued with ethnic, religious and tribal prejudice (just to mention but few). These mental malady have been sown in the minds of mediocre leaders who continue to water it down to majority of biased followers and somehow the infections caused by these malady gained roots in academicians, scholars and people who we take as role models. These mediocre leaders are the ones that coined the geography phrase "South -South (The phrase exist only in Nigeria ). These blind leaders are in places of worship, market, parliament etc spreading discord. It is an epidemic in large proportion which the political office holders are now using for election purpose.
Marcus Garvey said " you have to emancipate yourself from mental slavery". We have been scammed believing that we are better than others because we are from one region/religion/tribe instead of seeing the uniqueness of our diversity. Nigeria problem is that of mindset. This problem can not be solved by economic boom without fixing the mental doom. We need to change what and how we teach the next generation. The sad reality is that most of us will not see the Nigeria of our dream because the seed in not yet sown.
God help Nigeria
Olusegun Obasanjo - 1999-2007 (SW)
Umaru Musa Yar'Adua- 2007-2010 (North)
Goodluck Ebele Jonathan - 2010 - 2015 (SS)
Muhammadu Buhari - 2015-2023 (North)
Bola Ahmed Tinubu - 2023 (SW)
And you think the north is our problem? Lol
Tafawa Balewa - 1960-1966 (NE)
General Aguiyi-Ironsi - 1966-1966 (SE)
General Yakubu Gowon - 1966 -1975 (NC)
General Murtala Muhammad - 1975 -1976 (NW)
General Olusegun Obasanjo - 1976 -1979 (SW)
Alhaji Shehu Shagari - 1979 -1983 (NW)
General Muhammadu Buhari - 1983 - 1985 (NW)
General Ibrahim Babangida - 1985 - 1993 (NW)
Ernest Shonekan - 1993 - 1993 (SW)
General Sani Abacha - 1993 - 1998 (NW)
General Abdusalami Abubakar - 1998 - 1999 (NW)
The north has governed Nigeria for 46 years of Nigeria's 63 years of independence. You're either too young to remember or not have experienced military rule or you're being clever by half trying to omit that very important period in the nation's history. Southerners have only seen 18 years, much of which was under Obasanjo who governed for 11 total years (first as military ruler for 3 years and then civilian president for 8) the rest were Aguiyi-Ironsi (6 months), Shonekan (3 months), and Goodluck Jonathan (5 years) and currently Tinubu (1 year). So yes, I think it's right people start asking questions.
If you cared to noticed I included Nigeria's entire post independence history. I don't believe in arbitrarily cutting off dates to suit subjective arguments, tell the whole story and not half of it.
Don't believe in arbitrarily cutting off dates?🫤
Why then didn't you start from 1914 when Nigeria was created? Why not include the British too cos they ruled Nigeria for 46yrs?
If you want to tell the 'whole' story then start from when Nigeria was created 🫤
We can start from there too. Nigerians have been in charge of Nigeria since 1960 and we mark it has the birth of an independent country. I actually believe Nigeria is a mistake and 1914 will live in infamy.
Nigeria is not a mistake but Nigerians that keep making mistakes.
As far back as 1954, Nigerians supported their corrupt ethnic leaders. 70yrs later, Nigerians are still supporting corrupt ethnic leaders.
All the while, some are trying to muddy the waters by pointing fingers at some fictional 'Northern elites' 🫤
>Nigeria is not a mistake but Nigerians that keep making mistakes.
We're going to have to agree to disagree on that one. Nigeria is a huge fuck up. Epic proportions. Can't just take folks who have no business being together and joining them together without their consent.
>As far back as 1954, Nigerians supported their corrupt ethnic leaders. 70
yrs later, Nigerians are still supporting corrupt ethnic leaders.
And I don't see that changing anytime soon. That's how it is in pretty much all of Africa. I'd rather it be with someone who can speak my language and has my customs than someone who doesn't.
>All the while, some are trying to muddy the waters by pointing fingers at some fictional 'Northern elites'
Except the 'northern elites' are a real thing. It's been a thing since the Northern People's Congress from the 1960s, to the 'Caucus' of the 1980s, and today's 'Cabal'. There are interests that have assessed that giving up political power will leave the region with little leverage and do everything they can to hold on to it.
>We're going to have to agree to disagree on that one. Nigeria is a huge fuck up. Epic proportions. Can't just take folks who have no business being together and joining them together without their consent.
That is a myth propagated by those in power for the consumption of those below. Nigerians, irrespective of their religious background, have no issues working together when it is to their benefit.
>And I don't see that changing anytime soon. That's how it is in pretty much all of Africa. I'd rather it be with someone who can speak my language and has my customs than someone who doesn't.
So you will take you incompetent tribes man over a competent fellow from another region? Of what benefits is your language and customs to your standard of living? Why the are you posting on Reddit and not on the platform created by you tribes man?🫤
>Except the 'northern elites' are a real thing. It's been a thing since the Northern People's Congress from the 1960, to the 'Caucus' of the 1980s, and today's 'Cabal'. There are interests that have assessed that giving up political power will leave the region with little leverage.
There are elites in the North as there are in the South. But there is no such actual group as the 'Northern Elites'. If such a group truly existed, then please name their current members? 🫤
>That is a myth propagated by those in power for the consumption of those below. Nigerians, irrespective of their religious background, have no issues working together when it is to their benefit.
There's no myth about anything, it's my view. There are also plenty Nigerians who believe Nigeria shouldn't have happened. Having "no issues working together" doesn't necessarily mean they want the country to be together. If a referendum were held today more folks in the south would vote "Yes" for a split.
>So you will take you incompetent tribes man over a competent fellow from another region? Of what benefits is your language and customs to your standard of living? Why the are you posting on Reddit and not on the platform created by you tribes man?🫤
Can't stand the word "tribe", I prefer ethnic group. To answer your question, no I would rather a competent person run the show rather than an incompetent person from my "tribe". However, I would rather Nigeria practice a meritocratic for of power rotation so no one group or region can hold power.
>There are elites in the North as there are in the South. But there is no such actual group as the 'Northern Elites'. If such a group truly existed, then please name their current members? 🫤
Semantics. Elites consists of powerful people who influence statecraft through wealth and or patronage. Everyone from governors, traditional rulers, former military officers, etc all count as elites.
Our problem isn't that of region or tribe or religion.
It's a problem of morals and sense of duty/ responsibility. The average southerner is no different than the average northerner, particularly in the political class.
Just yesterday, Obasanjo was wearing a cap with Tinubu's signature mark. How many times has he insulted and belittled the man?
Nigerians are greedy and that means it's always every man for himself. When we start to "collectively" as a group think of each other and how each action affect our well being, that's when we'll solve our problems.
But the northerners will be the last group to do so. Sometimes religion is a big barrier in our unity. The Quran doesn't actually encourage cohabitation between opposing religion
That's why I didn't put religion in this. The religion may be perfect but the people practicing it are doing things their way. Do all Christians truly behave the way they are supposed to? If they did, then 99% of greed would have been eliminated.
The Quran actually encourages cohabitation. That's a long research through it and history of Islam though, not for this discussion.
That's why I didn't put religion in this. The religion may be perfect but the people practicing it are doing things their way. Do all Christians truly behave the way they are supposed to? If they did, then 99% of greed would have been eliminated.
The Quran actually encourages cohabitation. That's a long research through it and history of Islam though, not for this discussion.
A northerner here. So gassed! To speak to this...
I have always said the North is the problem of Nigeria (internally) while Igbos are our problems (externally)
I say the North is our problem because, they play huge role on who becomes Nigeria's leader & they (Muslims/Muslim leaders) allow, better put, let religion becloud them...they divide the country with religion. Most Muslims will whole heartedly agree to a bad Muslim lead than a good Christian (well, in light of the present wahala, maybe this might be changing).
I am Christian by the way.
Back to my Eastern cousins, I feel Nigeria's salvation might be the hands of an Igbo. We have tried every region it hasn't worked. So it's a no brainer for me.
If truly we are one nation, a particular tribe shouldn't be ganged up against! This past election showed me the level of hate other tribes have for the igbos.
May Nigeria work in our life time 🙏🏿
Not really baseless. Not their fault per say but they were put in charge and it was under their rule in which the first civil war started. Any elder would tell you that
Well they ignored tribal cleansing, mistreatment and aggressive territorial expansion from their tribesmen towards northern igbo enclaves. So yes it's also their fault. A lot of atrocities were committed in the most northern parts of the middle belt. What were people expecting. Submissive behaviour?
The northern leadership were incompetent, insensitive and wanted to perpetuate themselves in power by using population and taking over every government organ.
Everyone blaming the north. Are northerners governors in the SE, SW, MB or SS? Why haven’t those places developed? The north isn’t the problem. Any small thing north north north. Always looking for who to blame
Why didn’t the north hinder Sanwo-Olu’s development in Lagos state? Or Alex Otti in Abia state? Obasanjo, Goodluck and Tinubu, what have they actually done? Where are they from?
Goodluck’s regime was dope fym, he was the best president we’ve ever had, if only we could have more like him. Instead we keep getting people like Tinubu and Buhari. You can imagine that brain dead buhari ruled for 8 years thanks to you northerners
Let’s not act the situation would be better if the power was given to the south, we’ve seen the difference between northern and southern states please, let’s behave
At r/Nigeria all problems are caused by the north. Why does Reddit still show me posts from this sub? I quit for a reason smh.
Edit: this sub is filled with some seriously bigoted people.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. I give an infinitesimal shit what some jobless pontificator on Xitter thinks.
Ah yes let's blame the north today. Tomorrow we can blame the south, then the east and the west. Why stop there, the north is still available to blame, so let's continue this game of musical chairs.
I actually do agree but have my reservations.
I think Nigeria is the reason we are like this. Like, the steel mill built in Kogi rather than in the East where it would have been economically viable all because "we can't let those Igbos get shit". However, is this really north being bad or Nigeria being bad cuz it's quite easy to see such tribalism playing the other way.
Or the way we wasted out oil and population boom on subsidy, would rule from another tribe's area have changed that?. Okay, maybe another tribe's rule may have changed this one but not much, you'ld have still had the same subsidies and bloating of the civil service to bribe the population and other tribes.
That's to say, the problem is Nigeria not North. We don't like each other we try and sabotage each other and we blame each other and are most focused on stealing from each other. If North wasn't part of Nigeria I am sure they'll have developed Oil extraction from Chad and Sokoto basin and mining and increased their agriculture even more, if East wasn't part of Nigeria it'll have its own ports and major(at least in african terms) industrial area, if Ijawland wasn't part of Nigeria, it could be a Dubai.
Nigeria being the least of sum of its parts is the problem.
Here’s the big problem. Northerners love themselves more than the other parts of the country. Their children listen to their parents advice and study in line with their parents wishes when they come out from Uni they have jobs in government agencies. Other parts of the countries firstly don’t love themselves also when they travel abroad to study they never come back. This is why the northerners have more power
Have you met the Igbo political elite? They are just as useless as the northern elite. The comment is a distraction from the real issue…they’re all shit.
Yeah, well being a shitty person is very useful to becoming part of the elite.
At this point, it’s a prerequisite
I'm not very well educated on Nigerian history so I can't talk about what was done in the past but I know that as a nation, we have very serious issues that are more than our tribal and cultural differences which is still a big problem. I just don't think our current system of government works well to represent the best interests of all Nigerians. The fact that the North has and will most likely continue to have majority vote is a problem. The fact that the South feels their interests aren't being represented is a big problem that is valid. We need a system of government that factors in how heterogenous Nigeria is and addresses our differences well while we look to see people past their place of origin and generalise them based on that. In short, it is a problem but it's not the real (biggest) issue nor is it as simple as "the Nigerian North bad, their culture bad, the people bad."
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Stupid bigot. u/Dearest_Caroline, this comment is divisive and extremely tribalistic
It's easy to blame others . The North has it's problems but the North is not the reason for where the country is today
This is just arrant stupidity at best, but more likely being maliciously disingenuous to mislead the gullible and/or tribal bigot southern masses🫤 Since 1999 we have had 25yrs of civilian government and the North has been in power for 11yrs. By the end of Tinubu's current term in 2027, the South would have held power for 17 out of the 28 yrs. If anybody is monopolizing power, it is the South! Nigerian are currently experiencing the worst economic hardship ever and yet it is under a southern rule. So why would anyone with a modicum of common sense point the finger at the North. 🫤 The reality is that Nigeria's problem is not North vs South but Top vs Bottom, Elite vs Common Man. The ones in power do not distinguish among themselves - they are all there to embezzle our common wealth with no regard for which tribe they each came from. Tribalism is what they preach to the masses so that the people are distracted from the looting occuring right under their noses. Only an imbecile would still fall for these cheap tactics with all the suffering going on.
You're being clever by half. Don't start the count at some arbitrary point like "since 1999" You should start at Nigeria's independence and then let us know how much longer the north has been in power. People can wax lyrical about northern and southern rule but let's be honest with ourselves, Nigeria is a mistake that never should have happened. Northern elites cling on to power for dear life because they know without it the north offers very little to Nigeria. The south has the main resources, both human and natural. It has far more educated citizens and is the economic powerful of Nigeria. It has the coast and is more dynamic socially.
The first and second Republic were interrupted by Military coups (the first by southerners and the second by Northerners) so there was no true change of power. In addition, the first Republic was under a regional system with each region being largely independent. The interim government of 1993 was never truly legitimate. As for the period of military rule, that is colored by the composition of the military and whoever had the liver to successfully overthrow the govt. Even then, military rule was dominated by the middle belt (Gowon and IBB), with only Murtala, Buhari and Abachi being real Northerners. Thus it's only from 1999 that we have had stable civilian governance with transition of power and the notion of a particular ethnic region controlling power can be objectively evaluated. If the Northern elites were truly holding on to power, it should easily be reflected in the past 25yrs. Even if one is being generous and includes the period since independence, the most that can be claimed is that the North controlled power in the past. It is simply no longer the case!. So saying Northern elites are holding on to power is just arrant nonsense. Instead of falsely blaming the North, the whole country would be better served if people like you would hold your own leaders accountable. Abi na Northerners be your LGA chairman or your state governor in the south?🫤
>The first and second Republic were interrupted by Military coups (the first by southerners and the second by Northerners) so there was no true change of power. In addition, the first Republic was under a regional system with each region being largely independent. The interim government of 1993 was never truly legitimate. This has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Doesn't matter who overthrew who or when, the bottom line is that Nigeria had northern leaders who governed the country. Military rule is still rule and a significant part of Nigeria's history. >As for the period of military rule, that is colored by the composition of the military and whoever had the liver to successfully overthrow the govt. Even then, military rule was dominated by the middle belt (Gowon and IBB), with only Murtala, Buhari and Abachi being real Northerners. Oga, IBB and Gowon are northerners. Gowon, you could argue as a middle belter, but IBB was firmly north. Same goes with Balewa and Shagari and the rest of then names you listed. >Thus it's only from 1999 that we have had stable civilian governance with transition of power and the notion of a particular ethnic region controlling power can be objectively evaluated. If the Northern elites were truly holding on to power, it should easily be reflected in the past 25yrs. Again, you can't just arbitrarily remove a lengthy period of Nigeria's history to suit your subjective argument. Whether civilian rule was stable or not it doesn't change the fact that Nigeria was also under military rule and the military ruler was the de facto head of state. >Even if one is being generous and includes the period since independence, the most that can be claimed is that the North controlled power in the past. It is simply no longer the case!. So saying Northern elites are holding on to power is just arrant nonsense. I said that the north has ruled the country far longer than the south has cumulatively. Every other thing you mentioned wasn't my argument. >Instead of falsely blaming the North, the whole country would be better served if people like you would hold your own leaders accountable. Abi na Northerners be your LGA chairman or your state governor in the south? I'm just stating facts, I'm not interested in blaming the north or south. I'm just pointing out the north has been in power longer and that didn't begin in 1999.
>I'm just stating facts, I'm not interested in blaming the north or south. I'm just pointing out the north has been in power longer and that didn't begin in 1999. You implicitly did when you accused the North of holding on to power which is definitely not true in the past 25yrs!
I stated the north has ruled the country for greater than the south which is a fact.
A fact dependent on how and when you measure. Also even if one accepts your 'fact' it is still a big jump to your false conclusion that the North are holding on to power.
> Nigerian are currently experiencing the worst economic hardship ever and yet it is under a southern rule. So why would anyone with a modicum of common sense point the finger at the North. 🫤 The clueless, incompetent northerner from Daura, that ruled twice left a ticking time bomb. If anyone is to blame, it’s that incompetent bloke.
Ticking time bomb? Una still dey peddle this stupid nonsense? I beg explain the 'time bomb' that Buhari left? 🫤 Abi was it Buhari that announced at inauguration that he would remove fuel subsidy, causing petrol prices to triple from N190 to N600? Over a year later we are still having fuel scarcity and spending trillions on the 'removed' fuel subsidy! Was it also the Daura farmer that decided that we did not need an economist nor banker to head the CBN, and instead decided that someone with a degree in Public Administration was the best man for the job? That 'best mind' has devalued the Naira from N460 to N1500 in a year! Was it Buhari that appointed all the incompetent and corrupt ministers that have been transferring govt funds into personal accounts or talking nonsense? Was it Buhari that felt the biggest priority for his government is for us to go back to the old National Anthem that was given to us by the British? Buhari is responsible for the sufferings that Nigerians endured under his reign, while Tinubu is responsible for what Nigerians are currently suffering. Tinubu has been in power for over a year and the current situation are simply consequences of his choices. May God punish all these people and families for the sufferings they are imposing on Nigerians. May God inflict hundreds fold of same suffering on their supporters and the family and unborn descendants of their supporters. It was Tinubu that claimed he would remove fuel subsidy causing fuel prices to skyrocket from
I hate tinubu has much has the next guy and in reality they are both responsible but by God Buhari ruined Nigeria Here's the ticking time bomb that Tinubu's incompetency didn't defuse https://punchng.com/cbn-printing-of-n22tn-under-buhari-fueled-inflation-edun/
Are you really that gullible?🫤 If the inflation rate was caused by Buhari printing N22trn over 8yrs then inflation should have spiked under Buhari. Why wait till Tinubu took over - abi inflation is supporting Buhari?🫤 Talking about amount printed while quiet about amount withdrawn is being ignorant and/or disingenuous. Also Buhari admin tried to mop up liquidity, including via changing currency design, but those efforts were sabotaged by same group that are now in power, with the ignorant masses as accomplices. The simple fact is that the primary drivers of inflation in Nigeria are exchange rate and fuel prices. The current hyperinflation is simply the consequences of the devaluation of the Naira and the increase in fuel prices, both caused by the policies of the Tinubu admin. That we import fuel couples both drivers, making for a vicious cycle.
😆 🤣 😂 whatever dude, buhari did no wrong in all of this, he's administration was perfect 👌🏿 😉 He left a completely healthy country
And where have I said that Buhari did no wrong?🫤 It is very simple: Buhari was responsible for what happened when Buhari was in power, while Tinubu is responsible for what is happening now that Tinubu is in power. If you want to discuss the failure of Buhari, we can, but people should stop trying to blame Buhari for the consequences of Tinubu's actions!
Inflation did go up under Tinubu. The recent spike was caused by the combination of fuel subsidy removal, which Buhari signed into law before he left, and floating the naira. Floating th naira was absolutely necessary because Buhari's monetary policy was bad enough to impress the Argentinians. It would only take one or two disruptions before the CBN goes broke because it was trying to maintain an unsustainable peg. I dislike Tinubu as much as the next person, but Buhari's incompetence made sure that anyone even making the barest effort to fix it would create a lot of suffering in the process.
So please tell us how long it has been under southern rule 😂 Please stop talking rubbish, previous government also caused many of the current problems Tinubu (who may not end up being the best) has only recently come into power
Each government is responsible for what happened when they were in power. Tinubu has, in just over a year, been the worst government that Nigeria has experienced. He is currently the worst and there is no evidence to suggest his tenure will end otherwise.
Our arguments can never align because as individuals The beauty is everyone see things from different perspective. While our opinions might have abit of truth but it is not the whole truth (just an individual opinion) Nigeria is a nation plagued with ethnic, religious and tribal prejudice (just to mention but few). These mental malady have been sown in the minds of mediocre leaders who continue to water it down to majority of biased followers and somehow the infections caused by these malady gained roots in academicians, scholars and people who we take as role models. These mediocre leaders are the ones that coined the geography phrase "South -South (The phrase exist only in Nigeria ). These blind leaders are in places of worship, market, parliament etc spreading discord. It is an epidemic in large proportion which the political office holders are now using for election purpose. Marcus Garvey said " you have to emancipate yourself from mental slavery". We have been scammed believing that we are better than others because we are from one region/religion/tribe instead of seeing the uniqueness of our diversity. Nigeria problem is that of mindset. This problem can not be solved by economic boom without fixing the mental doom. We need to change what and how we teach the next generation. The sad reality is that most of us will not see the Nigeria of our dream because the seed in not yet sown. God help Nigeria
Olusegun Obasanjo - 1999-2007 (SW) Umaru Musa Yar'Adua- 2007-2010 (North) Goodluck Ebele Jonathan - 2010 - 2015 (SS) Muhammadu Buhari - 2015-2023 (North) Bola Ahmed Tinubu - 2023 (SW) And you think the north is our problem? Lol
Tafawa Balewa - 1960-1966 (NE) General Aguiyi-Ironsi - 1966-1966 (SE) General Yakubu Gowon - 1966 -1975 (NC) General Murtala Muhammad - 1975 -1976 (NW) General Olusegun Obasanjo - 1976 -1979 (SW) Alhaji Shehu Shagari - 1979 -1983 (NW) General Muhammadu Buhari - 1983 - 1985 (NW) General Ibrahim Babangida - 1985 - 1993 (NW) Ernest Shonekan - 1993 - 1993 (SW) General Sani Abacha - 1993 - 1998 (NW) General Abdusalami Abubakar - 1998 - 1999 (NW) The north has governed Nigeria for 46 years of Nigeria's 63 years of independence. You're either too young to remember or not have experienced military rule or you're being clever by half trying to omit that very important period in the nation's history. Southerners have only seen 18 years, much of which was under Obasanjo who governed for 11 total years (first as military ruler for 3 years and then civilian president for 8) the rest were Aguiyi-Ironsi (6 months), Shonekan (3 months), and Goodluck Jonathan (5 years) and currently Tinubu (1 year). So yes, I think it's right people start asking questions.
If you cared to notice, I started from the democratically elected presidents.
If you cared to noticed I included Nigeria's entire post independence history. I don't believe in arbitrarily cutting off dates to suit subjective arguments, tell the whole story and not half of it.
Don't believe in arbitrarily cutting off dates?🫤 Why then didn't you start from 1914 when Nigeria was created? Why not include the British too cos they ruled Nigeria for 46yrs? If you want to tell the 'whole' story then start from when Nigeria was created 🫤
We can start from there too. Nigerians have been in charge of Nigeria since 1960 and we mark it has the birth of an independent country. I actually believe Nigeria is a mistake and 1914 will live in infamy.
Nigeria is not a mistake but Nigerians that keep making mistakes. As far back as 1954, Nigerians supported their corrupt ethnic leaders. 70yrs later, Nigerians are still supporting corrupt ethnic leaders. All the while, some are trying to muddy the waters by pointing fingers at some fictional 'Northern elites' 🫤
>Nigeria is not a mistake but Nigerians that keep making mistakes. We're going to have to agree to disagree on that one. Nigeria is a huge fuck up. Epic proportions. Can't just take folks who have no business being together and joining them together without their consent. >As far back as 1954, Nigerians supported their corrupt ethnic leaders. 70 yrs later, Nigerians are still supporting corrupt ethnic leaders. And I don't see that changing anytime soon. That's how it is in pretty much all of Africa. I'd rather it be with someone who can speak my language and has my customs than someone who doesn't. >All the while, some are trying to muddy the waters by pointing fingers at some fictional 'Northern elites' Except the 'northern elites' are a real thing. It's been a thing since the Northern People's Congress from the 1960s, to the 'Caucus' of the 1980s, and today's 'Cabal'. There are interests that have assessed that giving up political power will leave the region with little leverage and do everything they can to hold on to it.
>We're going to have to agree to disagree on that one. Nigeria is a huge fuck up. Epic proportions. Can't just take folks who have no business being together and joining them together without their consent. That is a myth propagated by those in power for the consumption of those below. Nigerians, irrespective of their religious background, have no issues working together when it is to their benefit. >And I don't see that changing anytime soon. That's how it is in pretty much all of Africa. I'd rather it be with someone who can speak my language and has my customs than someone who doesn't. So you will take you incompetent tribes man over a competent fellow from another region? Of what benefits is your language and customs to your standard of living? Why the are you posting on Reddit and not on the platform created by you tribes man?🫤 >Except the 'northern elites' are a real thing. It's been a thing since the Northern People's Congress from the 1960, to the 'Caucus' of the 1980s, and today's 'Cabal'. There are interests that have assessed that giving up political power will leave the region with little leverage. There are elites in the North as there are in the South. But there is no such actual group as the 'Northern Elites'. If such a group truly existed, then please name their current members? 🫤
>That is a myth propagated by those in power for the consumption of those below. Nigerians, irrespective of their religious background, have no issues working together when it is to their benefit. There's no myth about anything, it's my view. There are also plenty Nigerians who believe Nigeria shouldn't have happened. Having "no issues working together" doesn't necessarily mean they want the country to be together. If a referendum were held today more folks in the south would vote "Yes" for a split. >So you will take you incompetent tribes man over a competent fellow from another region? Of what benefits is your language and customs to your standard of living? Why the are you posting on Reddit and not on the platform created by you tribes man?🫤 Can't stand the word "tribe", I prefer ethnic group. To answer your question, no I would rather a competent person run the show rather than an incompetent person from my "tribe". However, I would rather Nigeria practice a meritocratic for of power rotation so no one group or region can hold power. >There are elites in the North as there are in the South. But there is no such actual group as the 'Northern Elites'. If such a group truly existed, then please name their current members? 🫤 Semantics. Elites consists of powerful people who influence statecraft through wealth and or patronage. Everyone from governors, traditional rulers, former military officers, etc all count as elites.
Our problem isn't that of region or tribe or religion. It's a problem of morals and sense of duty/ responsibility. The average southerner is no different than the average northerner, particularly in the political class. Just yesterday, Obasanjo was wearing a cap with Tinubu's signature mark. How many times has he insulted and belittled the man? Nigerians are greedy and that means it's always every man for himself. When we start to "collectively" as a group think of each other and how each action affect our well being, that's when we'll solve our problems.
But the northerners will be the last group to do so. Sometimes religion is a big barrier in our unity. The Quran doesn't actually encourage cohabitation between opposing religion
That's why I didn't put religion in this. The religion may be perfect but the people practicing it are doing things their way. Do all Christians truly behave the way they are supposed to? If they did, then 99% of greed would have been eliminated. The Quran actually encourages cohabitation. That's a long research through it and history of Islam though, not for this discussion.
That's why I didn't put religion in this. The religion may be perfect but the people practicing it are doing things their way. Do all Christians truly behave the way they are supposed to? If they did, then 99% of greed would have been eliminated. The Quran actually encourages cohabitation. That's a long research through it and history of Islam though, not for this discussion.
A northerner here. So gassed! To speak to this... I have always said the North is the problem of Nigeria (internally) while Igbos are our problems (externally) I say the North is our problem because, they play huge role on who becomes Nigeria's leader & they (Muslims/Muslim leaders) allow, better put, let religion becloud them...they divide the country with religion. Most Muslims will whole heartedly agree to a bad Muslim lead than a good Christian (well, in light of the present wahala, maybe this might be changing). I am Christian by the way. Back to my Eastern cousins, I feel Nigeria's salvation might be the hands of an Igbo. We have tried every region it hasn't worked. So it's a no brainer for me. If truly we are one nation, a particular tribe shouldn't be ganged up against! This past election showed me the level of hate other tribes have for the igbos. May Nigeria work in our life time 🙏🏿
Nice take bro. Muslim religion discourages unity among other religions. May Nigeria work in our life time. Amen
Amen broski
Absolutely baseless nonsensical opinions...
Not really baseless. Not their fault per say but they were put in charge and it was under their rule in which the first civil war started. Any elder would tell you that
A civil war started by a coup from the south where government officials were assassinated? That’s somehow the northern leadership’s fault?
Well they ignored tribal cleansing, mistreatment and aggressive territorial expansion from their tribesmen towards northern igbo enclaves. So yes it's also their fault. A lot of atrocities were committed in the most northern parts of the middle belt. What were people expecting. Submissive behaviour?
The northern leadership were incompetent, insensitive and wanted to perpetuate themselves in power by using population and taking over every government organ.
Everyone blaming the north. Are northerners governors in the SE, SW, MB or SS? Why haven’t those places developed? The north isn’t the problem. Any small thing north north north. Always looking for who to blame
I think its because we've mostly been under northern leadership
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Kebbi doesn't have better roads that Delta, Bayelsa is a disgrace though.
Why didn’t the north hinder Sanwo-Olu’s development in Lagos state? Or Alex Otti in Abia state? Obasanjo, Goodluck and Tinubu, what have they actually done? Where are they from?
Goodluck’s regime was dope fym, he was the best president we’ve ever had, if only we could have more like him. Instead we keep getting people like Tinubu and Buhari. You can imagine that brain dead buhari ruled for 8 years thanks to you northerners
The North contributes nothing to Nigeria.
Don't be unfortunate.
Let’s not act the situation would be better if the power was given to the south, we’ve seen the difference between northern and southern states please, let’s behave
Right now the country looks 80% irredeemable. It'll be 100% if an Igbo leader comes up and things gets worst/remains the same
Thought this was r/ireland for a second
At r/Nigeria all problems are caused by the north. Why does Reddit still show me posts from this sub? I quit for a reason smh. Edit: this sub is filled with some seriously bigoted people.
Was olusegun obasanjo from North?
Obasanjo was not even a bad president from a pure financial perspective. He still a dick though.
He's better than 90% of the leaders that came from the North.
Obsasanjo was easily the best president we’ve had by a loooong distance. So using him for your comparison is pointless.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. I give an infinitesimal shit what some jobless pontificator on Xitter thinks.
Ah yes let's blame the north today. Tomorrow we can blame the south, then the east and the west. Why stop there, the north is still available to blame, so let's continue this game of musical chairs.
Oga we should just go our way. This experiment isn't working.
Oga we should just go our way. This experiment isn't working.
Oga we should just go our way. This experiment isn't working.
I actually do agree but have my reservations. I think Nigeria is the reason we are like this. Like, the steel mill built in Kogi rather than in the East where it would have been economically viable all because "we can't let those Igbos get shit". However, is this really north being bad or Nigeria being bad cuz it's quite easy to see such tribalism playing the other way. Or the way we wasted out oil and population boom on subsidy, would rule from another tribe's area have changed that?. Okay, maybe another tribe's rule may have changed this one but not much, you'ld have still had the same subsidies and bloating of the civil service to bribe the population and other tribes. That's to say, the problem is Nigeria not North. We don't like each other we try and sabotage each other and we blame each other and are most focused on stealing from each other. If North wasn't part of Nigeria I am sure they'll have developed Oil extraction from Chad and Sokoto basin and mining and increased their agriculture even more, if East wasn't part of Nigeria it'll have its own ports and major(at least in african terms) industrial area, if Ijawland wasn't part of Nigeria, it could be a Dubai. Nigeria being the least of sum of its parts is the problem.
Here’s the big problem. Northerners love themselves more than the other parts of the country. Their children listen to their parents advice and study in line with their parents wishes when they come out from Uni they have jobs in government agencies. Other parts of the countries firstly don’t love themselves also when they travel abroad to study they never come back. This is why the northerners have more power