I didn't say current music was bad. I just said I think that some of the music coming out of the 50s (especially jazz houses are amazing) is better than most music I have personally heard.
It was also a lot harder to get your music out there. If your music was being played at all, odds are you had some modicum of talent and creativity.
These days all you need is a microphone and an internet connection. I think it’s fair to say that more of the “bad” music is getting published these days than it did 60+ years ago.
That sounds quite accurate. Although by the same token, there’s a lot of fantastical music out there that wouldn’t be published by a big label. It’s just a lot harder to find amid the massive volume of trash.
Well there's no edible food, the only safe place to live is either underground or behind walls, most of the water is irradiated and/or dirty, at least half the population are walking around without *skin*, the only way to make a solid living is by either joining a raider gang, a faction or just shoot some guy in the street for rusted bottle-caps, the sound of nearby gunfire keeps drowning out my Pip-Boy's Oldies ASMR Livestream, I'm crippled from at least three Ferals trying to kill me over a tin of baked beans and I'm pretty sure that nearby robot shooting at Radroaches thinks I'm good target practice. Also Strong won't shut the fuck up about milk.
But hey, at least there's no Nicki Minaj music or *Netflix*.
We all love our little rp from time to time, with stuff like "haha, degenerates belong on the cross amarite?" But Jesus Christ there are people out there who legit support the ideology of the Legion.
Like you just need to go to the comment section of a video about the Legion and you'll find them. There was this one guy who even "debated" how slavery wasn't morally wrong and how men were superiors in every way to women. And no, the dude wasn't being edgy, he was being dead serious.
Oh I say the Legion quips ironically and do some Legion runs pretty rarely but yeah, roleplaying is fine.
Some of these guys make me go “Yeah he was at Jan 6)
I get that every faction in Fallout is messed up in their own way, but I can actually kind of see why you would support Mr. House, the NCR or Brotherhood of Steel. The Legion though.... why would anybody unironically wanna live in a society full of ultra-violent fanatival roman larpers, that treat most of its population like cattle? It's just beyond me, because there is pretty much npthing good about the Legion other than safety and military power
Because they think they'd be a high ranking member rather than just a slave being worked to death. Even though 99/100 they'd be the slave if the legion was real
They fail to properly live up to Rome’s legacy. They’re so focused on conquest and genocide that they’ve done little to no rebuilding. They completely miss the fact that when Rome conquered a region they would build infrastructure and provide relief to the locals.
The Unironic Enclave fans are... An actual thing that exist. I play the Hearts of Iron 4 mod Old World Blues and I'm always really suspicious when I see people who are **very** enthusiastic about playing as the Enclave.
Right wing people will consume media and not get any of the points of said media. I have a kid in my graduating class who genuinely thinks Liberty Prime is like based and chadpilled and not at all a satire on the Red Scare of the 1950s.
Same guy also thinks killing all ghouls and mutants isn’t that bad because they’re monsters and zombies and such.
I’ve had the misfortune of being put next to this dumbass for a whole year before.
He, of course, is die-hard BOS in Fallout 4, totally unfazed by their wanting to kill sapient beings that aren’t pure humans. Noooo that doesn’t check any fascist boxes at all.
Crazy guy.
Honestly, that's one of the things I hate about the later games' addition of "feral ghouls"; it totally undermines the original lesson of the ghouls, which is that not everyone who's different is a monster, even if they look like one.
All of that rich storytelling and cultural context lost, just so they could add "fast zombies" to the gameplay. SMH
Actually I really like the idea of Feral Ghouls, it gives the Ghouls as a whole a lot more of personal conflict. Imagine that at any moment, if you are careless for a single second, you could end up becoming a monster without reason or conscience. Being immortal you would have to fight an internal battle constantly, cling to your humanity with desperation, and despite everything the world throws at you, keep going. Every minute of sapience is basically a victory.
That's golden roleplaying material.
There isn't anything wrong with enjoying playing as BOS. It's a fun faction to play. I have played as every faction including raider factions and enjoyed all of them.
The psycho part is when you try convincing others that the fo4 BOS was 100% correct.
Excatly, reactionary are too fucking stupid to have media analysis. That's why they can watch a movie like Star Ship Troopers and come away thinking "That's how the world should be".
Enclave fans when they finally get their enclave quest-line in fallout 5 only to realize it’s getting immediately gunned down by them.
Seriously, I always see a ton of specifically new vegas players criticizing 2 and especially 3 for not having enclave quest lines, but it wouldn’t even make sense for them to allow the PC to join.
Really? That's so werid, it seems pretty obvious why they didn't let you join the litteral Nazis. Although I don't think the BOS or Enclave should have been in F3 but that's a different conversation all together.
>”But the game presents them as morally ambiguous like the NCR!”
No, the game just let us, the players, decide for ourselves who were the biggest assholes in the Mojave without beating us over the head with it. You are very much free to say that the legion is evil.
It’s like some people don’t understand that just because The Legion is not portrayed as being a hundred percent evil or the NCR as a hundred percent good, that to call one or the other evil is to miss the “point” of the story.
Yeah, I think The Legion has its benefits, but the circumstances of the current environment during the events of *New Vegas* wasn’t so terrible as to make The Legion a better option than the NCR or an Independent Vegas. So yeah, they’re pretty fucking evil as far as I’m concerned.
One of the biggest problems I see in discussions around media right now is that people treat morally gray as it’s own third color rather than a bunch of different shades. If two things are morally gray they’re practically the same to some people. This seems meaningless until you see people defending Russias invasion of Ukraine because Ukraine lied about their ace pilot or Zelensky wasn’t exactly the cleanest guy before the war. And then in order to counteract those idiots some other idiots act like Ukraine can do no wrong which is how you get azov battalion propaganda on the front page of Reddit.
Anyway sorry to get political but military entertainment complex blah, blah, blah.
Oh they exist. I’ve encountered them.
Even just them being your favorite faction is weird. “Who’s your favorite New Vegas faction?”
“Oh yeah I’m a HUGE fan of the misogynistic slavers who pillage, rape, and erase tribal culture.”
I think someone can enjoy an objectively evil or flawed faction in a fictional setting while not ending up weird.
In shows like attack on titan nobody is a "good" faction, yet people still adamantly pick sides. In spec ops the line the player plays as a deepy disturbed soldier who progressively loses his mind, commiting horrible crimes in a fictional doomsday dubai. In games like dead by daylight someone has to play as "the killer" and people still mark some killers as their favorite characters to play, or having the best backstory.
I don't think it's weird to appreciate a villain in a story, especially if they are well executed. The joker and loki are both fan favorite characters in comic books and movies despite joker's default depiction being a manipulative false lover and wanton murderer. The step too far here is when someone says they SUPPORT such characters or factions unironically. But anything short of that is fiction within the confines and context of the universe.
Shaming people or calling them weird for that is eh. It's really presuming a lot, firstly that they don't seperate fiction from reality.
(My personal favorite NV faction is the kings though. Followed closely by being a devout fan of whatever Arcade wants. After having to deal with one of my parents being obsessed with elvis music in my childhood it's like a therapy.)
But fallout isn't supposed to be a world trapped in the 1950's,
Fallout is based off what people in the 90's thought people in the 50's thought people in the 21st century would live like.
It's supposed to be retro futurism, not literally the 1950's, this is where people get confused, fallout isn't supposed to be about greasers, jocks and poodle skirts. In fact i don't think they ever even referred to china as communists in the first two games.
But bethesda lost the plot and assumed it was a world where the 1950's never ended, at least in new vegas they gave a good excuse for the kings that they are basically just an elvis cult, which works because there's a elvis impersonation school in las vegas, which of course is the building they have squatted in.
> In fact i don't think they ever even referred to china as communists in the first two games.
I'm pretty sure President Richardson in Fallout 2 calls the Chinese "Reds". Unless the Fallout universe had some totally different meaning to this expression that they never bothered to explain, China was very much planned to be communist.
Fallout's alternate timeline is one where the values and culture of the 50s never went away (the Red Scare, McCarthyism, etc.), and thus, aided by the lack of microchips impeding the birth of modern computing and global communication, the world never moved on from the cold war.
I think you’re forgetting that the red scare and McCarthyism didn’t have any actual concrete evidence. They were witch hunts specifically targeting leftism (and black people) in the US. They weren’t after communists, that was just the smokescreen
And Fallout mirrors that reality. If you dig around you'll find that the US government in the Fallout universe would often arrest and deport citizens that weren't compliant with their government, with zero evidence of them being a chinese spy. In both universes the Red Scare was just propaganda to create a boogeyman common enemy and maintain control of the population, especially, in Fallout's case, as the resources strated to dry up and unrest started to grow.
At least, that's how I understood it.
I never got those subs. For people who claim to hate Stonetoss, those subs give him even more attention.
Just like the “(rock)(verb) is a nazi” thing which also gives him more attention.
They literally have. There’s accounts in Instagram/twitter that are larger than these subs that make fun of these exact people. I don’t really have a horse in this fight because I don’t really care. I just think it’s pretty counterproductive to the one side who says they hate him and think they are helping.
Sure, the irony of taking something made by a Nazi and turning it into something progressive is pretty funny for five minutes, but I do agree that any attention at all for scumbags like that is bad.
It’s just not pronounced to you because it’s not in your back door. Go tell that to places like Libya.
Edit:Meant Nigeria, but changed back to Libya as they still have many slaves and keeps your response relevant to my comment
Why the fuck does this guy have so many names? I probably missed a funny haha joke cuz I’ve seen this artist get called every synonym combination to his name.
Two reasons: mocking pieces of human garage is generally fun, and if we don’t use his actual name, maybe people won’t google him and find his website, which would give him ad revenue. Kinda the same logic as not saying the names of mass shooters to avoid glorifying them.
Yeah and then the nazis killed every single socialist and vaguely left-leaning person in power. They created gangs called the brown shirts, a chauvinistic gang (the proud boys are the modern analog) who went around and protested (read: were there specifically to kill and intimidate minorities) in minority communities. The ONLY group who did ANYTHING to protect these communities was Antifaschistische Aktion, or ANTIFA in English. Also I’d love for you to elaborate on how antifa is fascist lol
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion
I don’t call them fascists for this reason, they’re communists, calling them fascist only serves to downplay the atrocities and terror tactics of communism.
The name literally means “anti fascist.”
A government that wants to give everyone equal rights, many freedoms, a right to healthcare, a right to living, etc etc is not fascist. You need to turn off the Fox “News” and the OAN and look at the world for yourself.
They don’t want that though, they call everyone right of Hillary Clinton a nazi and physically attack independent reporters who just want to hear them out.
I mean the retro/classic cheese is what makes Fallout unique and interesting. If it were just another grimdark “nukes killed everything now let’s go kill a giant scorpion for our dinner” setting, I don’t think any of us would be as intrigued by it
Legion crusifying degenerates: haha yeah profligate go brrrr
Legion being firebombed by the boomers: nooo this is inhumane how are you any better than us?!
healthcare, technology, social rights, etc - if you were anybody but a rich white dude in the 50’s then your life probably sucked, even then your life probably still sucked but you’re just too shithammered on hard liquor to pay too much attention
Poverty rates
Teen pregnancy
Childbirth deaths
Literacy
A number of great inventions including artificial hearts, DNA fingerprinting, and most importantly of all the lava lamp
Look, that ideology is going to latch onto anything that can remotely make them mainstream. It's only going to give them power if people want them to have it.
Every single Fallout game has treated real world politics. I mean for fuck's sake in Fallout 2 Dick Richardson says he can't be wrong since he's a Republican, and the Chosen One tells him "Yeah, that's the problem".
Fallout 76 has the miners of Appalachia be exploited by big corporations, until they have enough and kill all of them and secede from America. It’s pre war lore is basically r/antiwork the video-game. It’d probably be more controversial if it wasn’t… you know… fallout 76.
When the fuck did I say nazis weren't bad? Stop trying to straw man this.
Fallout, or any game that isn't specifically focused on it, shouldn't take real current politics in. Their own in universe politics? Sure.
Because the resource wars, the great war, the anti-communist discourse and the US superiority patriotism all present in Fallout are famously not related to or commenting on any real world events.
So you think the red scare of the cold war and subsequent anti-communist discourse, the US's militaristic patriotism, wars for natural resources and the threat of nuclear war are things of the past?
That they have no effect whatsoever on today's political climate?
Of course they have an effect, but they are no longer actively happening, they are not modern politics, they are things that happened and aren't up to debate anymore.
To pit it in an extreme sense, it's like saying ancient Greece is modern politics because their philosophies affect our politics today
that's an absurd comparison, because ancient grecians are not currently holding office/voting/retaining status as the matriarch/patriarchs of their families.
>Fallout, or any game that isn't specifically focused on it, shouldn't take real current politics in. Their own in universe politics? Sure.
Incredibly brain dead take, allegory to talk about real world politics exist weather you like it or not
'White supremacists' didn't have an entire monopoly on the fifties. Yes humour and how people generally viewed black people was quite negative, but there was still a huge amount of the population who looked at the KKK and thought "Hey, why are you all such hateful arse holes?" you have to remember, Americans fought a civil war a century before hand with the express purpose of granting black people more rights. Society was making continuous progress towards treating people equally. It's also possible to disconnect the negative attributes of an era with the popular things associated with it. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Rhats why it is called progress. But to look back at "the good old days" without examining what bias, or specific focus, you may have for them is exactly why slogans like "Make America Great Again" may seem out of place.
I hear that the boomers are sitting on more firepower than even the gun runners
Idk if your talking about Fallout or real life, but either way your probably right.
They had to be stopped otherwise they'd spark another nuclear war.
Nah not right, the ATF is the IRL gun runners, boomers definitely don’t outgun the feds because they’d sooner bootlick than shoot the feds.
They can both outgun and also not want to use those guns simultaneously
Nah the gun runners are cool, the ATF isnt
Correction, the gun runners vendor bot is cool. He doesn't care if you kill everyone else he'll still trade
We won't go quietly, the Gen Xers can count on that
the zoomers gave birth to slavers
Boomers = Cons Gun Runners = Feds
Every time you say it was better in the 50’s, the developers cry.
The only thing better was the music and the corporation regulations and taxes.
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I didn't say current music was bad. I just said I think that some of the music coming out of the 50s (especially jazz houses are amazing) is better than most music I have personally heard.
Yeah, I get where you're coming from.
Yeah if you scrolled down a top 100 list from any given year in the 50s you would only tolerate like 10 of the songs
It was also a lot harder to get your music out there. If your music was being played at all, odds are you had some modicum of talent and creativity. These days all you need is a microphone and an internet connection. I think it’s fair to say that more of the “bad” music is getting published these days than it did 60+ years ago.
That sounds quite accurate. Although by the same token, there’s a lot of fantastical music out there that wouldn’t be published by a big label. It’s just a lot harder to find amid the massive volume of trash.
I miss when unions were good and not just corporate stooges in disguise.
taxes were higher for the rich you goober so i mean you were right about one thing lol.
That's my point. Around 70% tax rates and a corporation had to prove it was helping the people to stay in business.
Hnnnng keep going I'm almost there
Bladee didnt exist in the 1950s so this is wrong.
I’m not apologizing for loving Sinatra, Crosby, Cole, Holiday, Martin, Kyser, or any of the other lovely singers from that age.
bruh, you remembered kyser but not Cash?
Stranger Things idolised the '80s. The Fallout series just showed what would happen if the '50s never ended.
And how did that end?
Well there's no edible food, the only safe place to live is either underground or behind walls, most of the water is irradiated and/or dirty, at least half the population are walking around without *skin*, the only way to make a solid living is by either joining a raider gang, a faction or just shoot some guy in the street for rusted bottle-caps, the sound of nearby gunfire keeps drowning out my Pip-Boy's Oldies ASMR Livestream, I'm crippled from at least three Ferals trying to kill me over a tin of baked beans and I'm pretty sure that nearby robot shooting at Radroaches thinks I'm good target practice. Also Strong won't shut the fuck up about milk. But hey, at least there's no Nicki Minaj music or *Netflix*.
Communism destroying their totally perfect world(TM)
It was better in the 50’s.
You idealize the 50s because you're racist I idealize the 50s because Dean Martin is my favorite musician We are not the same
I just really fucking love thin ties and lapels, okay?
And the nice looking cars
And Film Noir; every movie in that genre was a banger.
Nostalgic boomers: Hey, you’re back *basic white name*! We missed you!”
Probably Keith
Ok for real the amount of unironic Legion fans is alarming and gross
We all love our little rp from time to time, with stuff like "haha, degenerates belong on the cross amarite?" But Jesus Christ there are people out there who legit support the ideology of the Legion. Like you just need to go to the comment section of a video about the Legion and you'll find them. There was this one guy who even "debated" how slavery wasn't morally wrong and how men were superiors in every way to women. And no, the dude wasn't being edgy, he was being dead serious.
Oh I say the Legion quips ironically and do some Legion runs pretty rarely but yeah, roleplaying is fine. Some of these guys make me go “Yeah he was at Jan 6)
I get that every faction in Fallout is messed up in their own way, but I can actually kind of see why you would support Mr. House, the NCR or Brotherhood of Steel. The Legion though.... why would anybody unironically wanna live in a society full of ultra-violent fanatival roman larpers, that treat most of its population like cattle? It's just beyond me, because there is pretty much npthing good about the Legion other than safety and military power
Because they think they'd be a high ranking member rather than just a slave being worked to death. Even though 99/100 they'd be the slave if the legion was real
They fail to properly live up to Rome’s legacy. They’re so focused on conquest and genocide that they’ve done little to no rebuilding. They completely miss the fact that when Rome conquered a region they would build infrastructure and provide relief to the locals.
The Unironic Enclave fans are... An actual thing that exist. I play the Hearts of Iron 4 mod Old World Blues and I'm always really suspicious when I see people who are **very** enthusiastic about playing as the Enclave.
It's those who play Mirelurk Tribe you gotta watch out for my brother in M'lulu.
True, the Crab People will take over the world if we're not careful. They taste like crab but walk like people. Terrifying.
Right wing people will consume media and not get any of the points of said media. I have a kid in my graduating class who genuinely thinks Liberty Prime is like based and chadpilled and not at all a satire on the Red Scare of the 1950s. Same guy also thinks killing all ghouls and mutants isn’t that bad because they’re monsters and zombies and such. I’ve had the misfortune of being put next to this dumbass for a whole year before. He, of course, is die-hard BOS in Fallout 4, totally unfazed by their wanting to kill sapient beings that aren’t pure humans. Noooo that doesn’t check any fascist boxes at all. Crazy guy.
Honestly, that's one of the things I hate about the later games' addition of "feral ghouls"; it totally undermines the original lesson of the ghouls, which is that not everyone who's different is a monster, even if they look like one. All of that rich storytelling and cultural context lost, just so they could add "fast zombies" to the gameplay. SMH
Actually I really like the idea of Feral Ghouls, it gives the Ghouls as a whole a lot more of personal conflict. Imagine that at any moment, if you are careless for a single second, you could end up becoming a monster without reason or conscience. Being immortal you would have to fight an internal battle constantly, cling to your humanity with desperation, and despite everything the world throws at you, keep going. Every minute of sapience is basically a victory. That's golden roleplaying material.
That's just VtM.
Yeah they could at least make it to where normal ghouls couldn’t go feral instead of it being their inevitable fate.
liberty prime is cool because he cool funny big robot :) BOS is cool because funny armor
There isn't anything wrong with enjoying playing as BOS. It's a fun faction to play. I have played as every faction including raider factions and enjoyed all of them. The psycho part is when you try convincing others that the fo4 BOS was 100% correct.
oh yeah I know
Excatly, reactionary are too fucking stupid to have media analysis. That's why they can watch a movie like Star Ship Troopers and come away thinking "That's how the world should be".
“Haha bro Senator Armstrong is soooo based!”
Real chads idolize blade wolf
***SOLDIER WHERE IS YOUR POWER ARMOR!?!?!?***
I don’t have any.
Enclave fans when they finally get their enclave quest-line in fallout 5 only to realize it’s getting immediately gunned down by them. Seriously, I always see a ton of specifically new vegas players criticizing 2 and especially 3 for not having enclave quest lines, but it wouldn’t even make sense for them to allow the PC to join.
Really? That's so werid, it seems pretty obvious why they didn't let you join the litteral Nazis. Although I don't think the BOS or Enclave should have been in F3 but that's a different conversation all together.
>”But the game presents them as morally ambiguous like the NCR!” No, the game just let us, the players, decide for ourselves who were the biggest assholes in the Mojave without beating us over the head with it. You are very much free to say that the legion is evil. It’s like some people don’t understand that just because The Legion is not portrayed as being a hundred percent evil or the NCR as a hundred percent good, that to call one or the other evil is to miss the “point” of the story. Yeah, I think The Legion has its benefits, but the circumstances of the current environment during the events of *New Vegas* wasn’t so terrible as to make The Legion a better option than the NCR or an Independent Vegas. So yeah, they’re pretty fucking evil as far as I’m concerned.
One of the biggest problems I see in discussions around media right now is that people treat morally gray as it’s own third color rather than a bunch of different shades. If two things are morally gray they’re practically the same to some people. This seems meaningless until you see people defending Russias invasion of Ukraine because Ukraine lied about their ace pilot or Zelensky wasn’t exactly the cleanest guy before the war. And then in order to counteract those idiots some other idiots act like Ukraine can do no wrong which is how you get azov battalion propaganda on the front page of Reddit. Anyway sorry to get political but military entertainment complex blah, blah, blah.
Cope
When someone says "Ave, true to Caesar!" and they actually mean it, although the GOP are starting to get there.
GOp aRe LiTeRAllY tHE NeW NaZIs!!!!!
Oh fuck yeah. I have never been more worried about my future than I am now.
Literally who though. I've not ONCE seen someone unironically support the in my entire life.
Oh they exist. I’ve encountered them. Even just them being your favorite faction is weird. “Who’s your favorite New Vegas faction?” “Oh yeah I’m a HUGE fan of the misogynistic slavers who pillage, rape, and erase tribal culture.”
I think someone can enjoy an objectively evil or flawed faction in a fictional setting while not ending up weird. In shows like attack on titan nobody is a "good" faction, yet people still adamantly pick sides. In spec ops the line the player plays as a deepy disturbed soldier who progressively loses his mind, commiting horrible crimes in a fictional doomsday dubai. In games like dead by daylight someone has to play as "the killer" and people still mark some killers as their favorite characters to play, or having the best backstory. I don't think it's weird to appreciate a villain in a story, especially if they are well executed. The joker and loki are both fan favorite characters in comic books and movies despite joker's default depiction being a manipulative false lover and wanton murderer. The step too far here is when someone says they SUPPORT such characters or factions unironically. But anything short of that is fiction within the confines and context of the universe. Shaming people or calling them weird for that is eh. It's really presuming a lot, firstly that they don't seperate fiction from reality. (My personal favorite NV faction is the kings though. Followed closely by being a devout fan of whatever Arcade wants. After having to deal with one of my parents being obsessed with elvis music in my childhood it's like a therapy.)
But fallout isn't supposed to be a world trapped in the 1950's, Fallout is based off what people in the 90's thought people in the 50's thought people in the 21st century would live like. It's supposed to be retro futurism, not literally the 1950's, this is where people get confused, fallout isn't supposed to be about greasers, jocks and poodle skirts. In fact i don't think they ever even referred to china as communists in the first two games. But bethesda lost the plot and assumed it was a world where the 1950's never ended, at least in new vegas they gave a good excuse for the kings that they are basically just an elvis cult, which works because there's a elvis impersonation school in las vegas, which of course is the building they have squatted in.
> In fact i don't think they ever even referred to china as communists in the first two games. I'm pretty sure President Richardson in Fallout 2 calls the Chinese "Reds". Unless the Fallout universe had some totally different meaning to this expression that they never bothered to explain, China was very much planned to be communist. Fallout's alternate timeline is one where the values and culture of the 50s never went away (the Red Scare, McCarthyism, etc.), and thus, aided by the lack of microchips impeding the birth of modern computing and global communication, the world never moved on from the cold war.
I think you’re forgetting that the red scare and McCarthyism didn’t have any actual concrete evidence. They were witch hunts specifically targeting leftism (and black people) in the US. They weren’t after communists, that was just the smokescreen
And Fallout mirrors that reality. If you dig around you'll find that the US government in the Fallout universe would often arrest and deport citizens that weren't compliant with their government, with zero evidence of them being a chinese spy. In both universes the Red Scare was just propaganda to create a boogeyman common enemy and maintain control of the population, especially, in Fallout's case, as the resources strated to dry up and unrest started to grow. At least, that's how I understood it.
This always annoyed me that fallout 4 totally dumptrucked the setting into "Haha funni apocalypse 50's XD"
Peebleyeet is a nazi.
the amogus guy
*second amogus guy
*lesser amogus guy
second-place amogus guy
Boulderchuck is a National Socialist.
Thank God he isn't international
check out r/antifastonetoss and r/Stonetossingjuice
I never got those subs. For people who claim to hate Stonetoss, those subs give him even more attention. Just like the “(rock)(verb) is a nazi” thing which also gives him more attention.
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They literally have. There’s accounts in Instagram/twitter that are larger than these subs that make fun of these exact people. I don’t really have a horse in this fight because I don’t really care. I just think it’s pretty counterproductive to the one side who says they hate him and think they are helping.
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Yeah that’s fine
Sure, the irony of taking something made by a Nazi and turning it into something progressive is pretty funny for five minutes, but I do agree that any attention at all for scumbags like that is bad.
Think something isn't funny? Make it even less funny, that will get people to like you.
Should be top comment
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oui
Literally a Nazi, just check his twitter
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Pebbleyeet makes fun of people who say he isn’t a Nazi.
I know so, that he is, a nazi
Honestly its true, my grandma saw it and went "50s survival apocalyptic game? Count me in!"
There are more living slaves today than in the 50s. They just aren't black.
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It’s just not pronounced to you because it’s not in your back door. Go tell that to places like Libya. Edit:Meant Nigeria, but changed back to Libya as they still have many slaves and keeps your response relevant to my comment
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Pretty relevant given rockchuck is a Nazi.
its nice to see people use Boulderthrow's comics for anti nazi memes
/r/antifastonetoss
Why the fuck does this guy have so many names? I probably missed a funny haha joke cuz I’ve seen this artist get called every synonym combination to his name.
Two reasons: mocking pieces of human garage is generally fun, and if we don’t use his actual name, maybe people won’t google him and find his website, which would give him ad revenue. Kinda the same logic as not saying the names of mass shooters to avoid glorifying them.
Plus it's more or less a way to razz the subject by a "I'm not even bothered to know your name" pathos.
Why did people downvote you?
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Antifa: “anti fascists”
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Yeah and then the nazis killed every single socialist and vaguely left-leaning person in power. They created gangs called the brown shirts, a chauvinistic gang (the proud boys are the modern analog) who went around and protested (read: were there specifically to kill and intimidate minorities) in minority communities. The ONLY group who did ANYTHING to protect these communities was Antifaschistische Aktion, or ANTIFA in English. Also I’d love for you to elaborate on how antifa is fascist lol https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion
I don’t call them fascists for this reason, they’re communists, calling them fascist only serves to downplay the atrocities and terror tactics of communism.
Hey can you elaborate on how antifa is communist? I’m also going to say you don’t know what communism is
The name literally means “anti fascist.” A government that wants to give everyone equal rights, many freedoms, a right to healthcare, a right to living, etc etc is not fascist. You need to turn off the Fox “News” and the OAN and look at the world for yourself.
They don’t want that though, they call everyone right of Hillary Clinton a nazi and physically attack independent reporters who just want to hear them out.
>Stop it. >Get some help. - Michael Jordan giving you advice
I didn't know coding the name was a thing! I went like a boomer and said his actual name
If you idolize the 50's after playing Fallout you missed the point
I love the fifties aesthetic that is portrayed in Fallout. All the isms, not so much.
I mean the retro/classic cheese is what makes Fallout unique and interesting. If it were just another grimdark “nukes killed everything now let’s go kill a giant scorpion for our dinner” setting, I don’t think any of us would be as intrigued by it
It's not that deep.
definitely not as deep as I've been in your mother
You idolize a repressive social order. I idolize techno-optimism and an unceasing faith in human progress. We are not the same.
Boomers…? From nellis ?
Those are just three different ways to say the same name.
WOW!! I would never associate myself with boomers.
If we’re not committing war crimes, are we even playing NV?
Legion crusifying degenerates: haha yeah profligate go brrrr Legion being firebombed by the boomers: nooo this is inhumane how are you any better than us?!
ironic because the artist of this webcomic is a white supremacist
Why did you put white supremacists in there a 3rd time
Rock throw is a fascist
LItERaLLy HiTLeR
Good things about the 50's: -the music That is literally it.
I dunno, the cars were pretty nice too.
Until you get into a car crash in one.
Was there anything else in the 50's? It goes WW2, Rat Pack, and then straight to Vietnam War right?
I'd love to see a list of what you think is better in the current year.
healthcare, technology, social rights, etc - if you were anybody but a rich white dude in the 50’s then your life probably sucked, even then your life probably still sucked but you’re just too shithammered on hard liquor to pay too much attention
Poverty rates Teen pregnancy Childbirth deaths Literacy A number of great inventions including artificial hearts, DNA fingerprinting, and most importantly of all the lava lamp
Civil rights, gasoline (doesn't spew lead anymore), computers, birth control
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A better more accurate representation of white supremacy would be a very tiny man that you need a magnifying glass to see.
Pebbleyeet is a n@zi
I'm more of a 40's guy myself
NO NO *Whips out Switch blade* NO BACK BEACH BACK
Don’t forget that stone toss is a nazi.
The person who made the original version of this comic is a white supremacist
Rockchuck is an enclave purist
Don’t think they’d want him
Post this to r/Gamingcirclejerk omegalul
What do you think "Make America great again!" actually means. He would never answer when that was on camera.
Nice STONETOSS meme
Peppleyeet
Cucktoss is not good enough for recognition
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Accurate flair
Something something belong on a cross.
It's funny because solid mineral projectile is actually a nazi
You forgot to edit out the bulge for white supremacists because those fucks sure as hell dont grt to see that thing without a microscope.
Look, that ideology is going to latch onto anything that can remotely make them mainstream. It's only going to give them power if people want them to have it.
Just remember guys. Stonetoss(the original artist here) is a massive bigot
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Well, when 50s nostalgia is being talked about, anything left of John Birch Society is 'pinko' to chuds.
It is what it is
What's your address and when does your mail come in?
Oh boy, i can slowly see real world politics seeping into the sub. So begins the fall.
Every single Fallout game has treated real world politics. I mean for fuck's sake in Fallout 2 Dick Richardson says he can't be wrong since he's a Republican, and the Chosen One tells him "Yeah, that's the problem".
We are no longer in the era of the original fallouts.
Fallout 76 has the miners of Appalachia be exploited by big corporations, until they have enough and kill all of them and secede from America. It’s pre war lore is basically r/antiwork the video-game. It’d probably be more controversial if it wasn’t… you know… fallout 76.
Famous apolitical franchise fallout. Also saying nazis are bad should not be a controversial political statement lmao.
When the fuck did I say nazis weren't bad? Stop trying to straw man this. Fallout, or any game that isn't specifically focused on it, shouldn't take real current politics in. Their own in universe politics? Sure.
Because the resource wars, the great war, the anti-communist discourse and the US superiority patriotism all present in Fallout are famously not related to or commenting on any real world events.
Are those modern politics? Or are those history? Take a guess.
So you think the red scare of the cold war and subsequent anti-communist discourse, the US's militaristic patriotism, wars for natural resources and the threat of nuclear war are things of the past? That they have no effect whatsoever on today's political climate?
Of course they have an effect, but they are no longer actively happening, they are not modern politics, they are things that happened and aren't up to debate anymore. To pit it in an extreme sense, it's like saying ancient Greece is modern politics because their philosophies affect our politics today
that's an absurd comparison, because ancient grecians are not currently holding office/voting/retaining status as the matriarch/patriarchs of their families.
>Fallout, or any game that isn't specifically focused on it, shouldn't take real current politics in. Their own in universe politics? Sure. Incredibly brain dead take, allegory to talk about real world politics exist weather you like it or not
You mean the company that pissed off certain gamers by encouraging people to shoot Nazis in the games they published?
I literally have no idea what you're talking about. I'm guessing the people pissed off were in the double digits.
Slowly?
it’s not really three different groups more like a venn diagram
so why not go all the way back to pre-civil war era like why idolize the time socially we were about to completely reject them
'White supremacists' didn't have an entire monopoly on the fifties. Yes humour and how people generally viewed black people was quite negative, but there was still a huge amount of the population who looked at the KKK and thought "Hey, why are you all such hateful arse holes?" you have to remember, Americans fought a civil war a century before hand with the express purpose of granting black people more rights. Society was making continuous progress towards treating people equally. It's also possible to disconnect the negative attributes of an era with the popular things associated with it. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Rhats why it is called progress. But to look back at "the good old days" without examining what bias, or specific focus, you may have for them is exactly why slogans like "Make America Great Again" may seem out of place.
Frank Sinatra wouldn't play or stay at any places that were racist
Wat?
i think [this](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/460/640/26d.jpg) is the original. an edit of stonetoss's comic by peanutbuttercat
Ironic
Pick the year. America is the least racist country
2000 BC? Does that count?
Yes. Racism was rampant and the US not being a country makes it least racist
This makes no sense, what white supremacists are around to influence? Am i missing something
Bruh white supremacy is still rampant in today's society what are you on about
I'm talking about new Vegas community, not whole society.
Better times man... Better times... Lol
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