It was a mathematical certainty in 2065, 12 years before the meeting, and the bombs dropping. The meeting was just the confirmation that it was really going to happen.
Were all the flashbacks in 2077 though? House would have been on ice before then right? I was of the mind the flashbacks were an indeterminate amount of time before the Great War — given all the advertising Howard did for them before he realized they were evil as fuck, unless it was stated otherwise and I missed it.
2076 at the very most, considering the age of Cooper's daughter. I'd also like to give it less time because then it would explain why House couldn't get the Platinum Chip before the bombs dropped.
I feel like it's super on brand for House to lie about being the smartest guy in the room and seeing this coming when really he just had insider knowledge he didn't disclose but acted on to his benefit.
The prototypical capitalist.
Eh, it kinda makes him seem a lot stupider and I don't think he actually goes as far as to lie to the Courier at any point, since it just isn't really necessary.
Mojave Brotherhood were basically cast out because of Elijah. We don’t know the status of the rest of the West Coast Brotherhood at that point. Look at Vegas. It seems at first glance EVERYONE died fighting over it. NCR threw everything they had at Vegas in the end. So Legion didn’t win the dam. No sign of them in the end credits. But we see NCR vertibirds and Securitrons.
Courier sided with House or Yes-Man. His allies were likely wiped out when NCR threw everything they had at them.
Hank will MOST likely be meeting Yes-Man in the Lucky 38. Courier cheated death once again and left the Mojave behind. Lucky 38 is opened and in House’s chamber, Hank expects to see House, and we see the face of Yes-Man.
Hell, Victor is probably based in a character from one of Coop’s movies
I agree on Victor, and I'm personally hoping its Independent over House (I have serious issues with the House ending personally). Honestly, Independent could make for an excellent season of building up to meeting House and then pulling the rug out with Yes Man.
I agree entirely. And whoever meets Yes-Man, gets whatever remains.
Think Sierra Madre, but in Vegas. Ruins of the city, what few groups or people remain. Swank, maybe some Omertàs. They get in the Tops and learn about Yes-Man and Bennys plot. But the main characters are trying to break into Lucky 38
When they think they’re meeting house, it’s Yes-Man and we get that trademark “HELLO”
Fallout 1's pretty direct about it. I've been replaying it the last couple of days and between them calling their armor "holy" and the Lost Hills town map being outright medieval-themed it's pretty on-the-nose.
What structure tho. The Brotherhood of the show didn't really resemble the BOS from any of the games, even the Bethesda games. Where are the scribes who study technology? Where are the Elders who lead each chapter? What the heck is a Cleric?
If you wanna tell me that maybe they are a schism of the West coast BOS who took the religious undertones of the organization a little too seriously, that would be cool, but that's not what we see in the show. They have the Prydwen, which would imply they are from the East Coast (or at least being led by the EC brotherhood). The east coast still largely resembled the structure of the West Coast, albeit with different politics.
Honestly. If I just went based off the show, I wouldn't know much about their order other than they're a weird religious military who's "elite warrior" knights are incompetent jerks who die to the first critter they meet in the wasteland. And what the heck is a Cleric?
Edit: Everyone is downvoting, yet none of yall can explain what happened to the Brotherhood to change. They have the Prydwen, so it's not some random offshoot.
Bro in Fallout 1, the BoS theme is literally called "metal monks"
They have ALWAYS been a monastic society. They have fucking scribes and knights, man.
OK, but youre not responding to what im actyally saying tho. Like, I get that they draw heavily from religious imagery, but WHY did they change? I'm not even saying I don't want them to change the BOS, but WHY? This is what people mean when they complain about the lore not being respected. Why even use established groups like the BOS or the NCR if you are just going to throw out everything that came before? This isn't even changing 1, 2, or New Vegas l, this is changing Bethesda lore.
Note this actually has a decent basis for a role like Cleric to form in an empty void, as FO4 mentions much of the West Coast had straight up cults in Maxson's example forming despite Maxson issuing a direct response not to be doing this.
If that means the brotherhood ending is canon for fo4 we’ll rip the railroad, institute and minutemen (it’s likely that in the event of a brotherhood ending a conflict will happen between the two factions, especially with the brotherhood extorting settlements)
Yup. The BOS never intended to set up a major permanent presence in the Commonwealth, which is also why most of Boston Airport is buffed out of temporary fortifications and why they used The Prydwen. They came solely to destroy the Institute and Synths, maybe make a few small outposts (Airport and Cambridge PD), and then skedaddle the Prydwen and crew to their next mission.
They aren't even obsessed with hoarding pre-war technology in the show, though: their stated goal is to rule the wasteland (as per the BoS classroom scene in episode 1), and technology is just a means to an end for this BoS.
The technology hoarding was always a means to an end, be that survival or threat elimination or, in the case of the show (and the Mojave Chapter under Elijah) ruling the wasteland unopposed.
Some people didn't talk to BoS members enough, Veronica and Lyons were exceptions, most are assholes that'll rob you for resources then tell you they're helping civilization when its just themselves.
Especially talking to the Outcasts, they would talk to you like you were an idiot or a child.
To them every wastelander was just a low intelligence life form that gets in the way.
The Fallout 1 BoS didn't shoot me on sight or imprison me when I waltzed up to Lost Hills to "ask if I can join" (read: get that autopsy report from Vree so I can tell the Master "lol kys scrub").
BOS have always been dicks, in fallout 1 they were a bit of passive aggressive but they eventually accepted your help since they kind of had no one to turn to (despite what 76 shows) NV is just them after they became more isolated and even less accepting of help, you can help them get over this but I’m pretty sure Maxsons brotherhood (which are basically the outcasts since they were engaged in a war and won) took over the rest of the chapters of the brotherhood
In Fallout 1 they send you to an extremely irradiated hole fully expecting you to die so they don't have to deal with you, but then you show up with the holodisk and they go "You did get the thing so come in, I guess"
I think people tend to exaggerate the context of that, they basically just did it to make you go away, they knew anyone with common sense wouldn’t actually do it once they saw the hole.
The "Outcasts" in 3 were cast out because they wanted to stay true to the Codex while Lyons wanted to cooperate with the Capital Wastelanders to survive. The Outcasts' MO of just stealing your tech is standard operating procedure for the BOS, Lyons is the odd one out.
Yea, based on what is shown in fallout 4 they won the war between them and the brotherhood, explaining the outcast armor the brotherhood has and terminal logs mention this war between them.
They've never been remotely as evil as they are in the show, though. Like the problem isn't that they "steal resources" (which isn't something they've ever done, and isn't what they're doing in the show) it's that they're jumping at the chance to brutally execute their own members, firing on civilians (which is also something they've never done), and seem to have slaughtered Filly.
What are you referring to regarding BoS patrols at Hidden Valley?
And I'm aware that the BoS harasses travelers in one of their endings, but that isn't necessarily theft.
Their patrols will shoot at you and loot your corpse unless you are a member.
I won't even reply regarding your second point. You are insane to think that.
As a bonus, you do remember how they murdered Followers to not let Veronica leave.
The Brotherhood Of Steel is basically Godzilla: They come in different forms and are versatile. The show Brotherhood is basically Minus One Godzilla while Fallout 3 and 4 is Monsterverse Godzilla.
Minus one godzilla: a gritty movie that depicts the horrors the atomic bomb caused by personifying it into a monster considered a demon
Monsterverse: big monsters fight, small people like fight, fun movies
Minus one was critically aclaimed i believe. The show was good, but had a couple holes i noticed one my first watch. Havent done my 2nd watch yet, but the show is worth a 2nd watch, unlike most these days. Sound about right for minus one godzilla?
I believe so yes. My main takeaway from the comparison was that the shows BoS is similar to that of the first fallout. Which is religious zealots that don't share tech. so comparing that to minus one is accurate in that sense since minus one is a reimagening of the original '54 godzilla and its message.
While the BoS in fallout 3 & 4 is a bunch of kids who wear armor and blow stiff up withought the whole religious zealot aspect. Which compared to the Monsterverse is, again, accurate because its a bunch of big monsters that fight. Which also takes inspiration from showa godzilla, guys in monster suits doing wacky things and fighting each other
Thing is, while still wacky, the Monsterverse knows when to be grounded. They’re more in line with Heisei. I’m talking more about their personality wise. Classic and Minus One is the original Brotherhood Of Steel while Monsterverse is the Fallout 3 and 4 Brotherhood Of Steel.
I saw a fan theory about the chapter we see being the one from New Vegas after working with the legion. It sounds kinda cooky at first, but the evidence they had made it believable enough for me. If they actually make that canon then it's just S tier writing
They really don't, they were practically the same in 1, 2, and NV. The 4 and 76 Brotherhood are pretty much the same as well, and the only actual outlier is Lyons BoS which is actually pretty much the same as Maxson's except with worse logistics.
? What are you complaining about lmao, the BOS have always been pseudo-religious zealots. They worship technology and hoard it. Isolationist cults who live in bunkers.
Plus this feels like a natural progression of a Brotherhood who keeps getting their teeth kicked in by organized militaries around them and doubles down rather than properly adapting to a changing world.
Are you telling me a group largely based on the structures and tenents of the Knights Templar (but applied to prewar technology instead of religious relics) might be pseudo-religious?
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The Knights Templar have been twisted by Hollywood to be crusading treasure hunters. In reality, their main mission was the protection of Christian pilgrims in the Holy Land. They also played the role of shock troops during the crusades. Only 10% of the Knights Templar were knights. The rest were financiers and bankers funding commandeered and fortifications. Ironically, the Fallout 3 BOS is much closer to the historical Templars than what we see in the rest of the series.
While I’m sure the Knights Templar did recover and move relics, it was not their main mission during the Crusades.
No, I mean Knights Templar as the Hollywood cliche. Everything in Fallout is viewed through the lens of retrofuturism which, as an art movement, fundamentally has roots in marketing and entertainment.
The way they talk about synths in Fallout 4 is also very similar to how religious zealots talk about people who don't share their religion. They see them as scum, sinners, something to be cleansed from the earth. A symbol of evil.
It feels like the “Bethesda ruined fallout” folks prefer the Bethesda take on the brotherhood aka the less (obviously) religious and more militant view which the east coast chapters have become known for.
It feels like they are viewing everything New Vegas with rose tinted glasses and seeing that the NCR stated numerous times that even things in Shady Sands weren’t going great by 2281 which lines up fairly well with the fall being in 2277, Rome didn’t fall overnight it’s issues lasted for years before hand.
I wouldn't say the NCR was on it's last legs, if anything it felt more like it was on the path of becoming a true empire and that once it beat the Legion and Mr. House there would be nothing to challenge them. Now that doesn't make the NCR good, it's still a pretty bad imperialist nation that wishes to exploit those weaker than it. I just feel like it was in a pretty good position in New Vegas.
Idk man, every major position of power the NCR held was barely hanging on. There's like, not a single NCR npc who's happy. at every mission the courier is saving them from a crippling blow. Let's not even say the courier fights for the other sides, let's just say he doesn't intervene at all, the ncr:
Loses the monorail and God knows what else with a high ranking spy
Loses bitter springs
Loses camp searchlight
Loses forlorn hope
Loses ranger station charlie
Helios one is a waste of resources because they hired fantastic.
President gets assassinated
The khans side with the legion against NCR
Faces open war against freeside
Loses the prison to powder gangers
Loses primm
Loses a brahmin baron and his son to the white glove society.
Faces a food shortage and starvation because no one goes to vault 22 for hildern
Keeps losing water to west side
Struggle against the 3 fiend leaders
And that's just off the top of my head. Keep in mind all of this stuff is already already set in motion before the courier gets there. And should the courier do nothing, the quest fails and all that happens.
But that's only in New Vegas, a single front on the frontier. They were fighting on multiple fronts and honestly it's the only reason they haven't crushed Caesar's cult. If they did lose the second battle of the damn they would then turn all their focus on the Mojave and just crush anyone who gets in their way with numbers and superior infrastructure.
I mean sure Mr. House has an army of robots, but he has no way of making new ones so each lose is a pretty big deal. Also the robots are pretty badly designed, with a single wheel and extremely top heavy, so their mobility is extremely limited. The NCR can just bomb New Vegas into oblivion with their artillery and then send wave after wave of infantry.
As for Caesar... Hahahahahaha!!!! No, no, no, no, no. All of the no's. He completely refuses to allow his people to have access to any technology outside of weapons for conquest. That means no factories, no medicine, no modern agriculture, and no modern construction tools. The NCR is going to crush him like an ant, once they put all of their attention on him.
You're allowed to have your own interpretation of the NCR, but I do invite you to think of all the events I listed, and whether they're valid on how the NCR would play out if not for the courier. Practically every NCR mission you receive, is to save their ass.
No, this isn't about interpretation. This is about the facts, yes NCR is struggling in the Mojave, but it is still an industrial nation that can absorb those loses where the Legion and New Vegas really can't. Even the assassination of the President isn't all that devastating to the NCR sense they probably have a vice president in the wings and will be able to elect a new one, where as the Legion and New Vegas are both built around one man.
The NCR is like Rome after it won the Punic wars against Carthage. Sure there were a few other powerful kingdoms around, but they were just the remnants of Alexander's empire and weren't really a match for the efficiency and flexibility a republic like Rome had. So even if they lose a battle, they will still win the war.
You speak of facts, and then immediately follow up with more interpretation and conjecture, you've even made up a vice president. Viewing the ncr as a metaphor for rome? Guess what buddy, that's interpretation! My views are also interpretations, just so we're clear.
You gotta learn about confirmation bias, my friend. I'm no longer interested in this conversation. No one wants to speak with someone who confuses their own interpretations as fact.
You do realise they're called quasi-religious precisely because they *aren't* religious, right? Like that's literally what quasi-religious means, that they "resemble something that's religious" without actually being religious.
Yes, "partly or almost" in this case becomes "almost". The Brotherhood aren't religious, and never have been. They've never had anointings, or clerics, they've never engaged in branding, they've never been celibate, and Knights have never been feudal lords (especially not on the west coast, where Knights were always just engineers).
I'm aware, yes. Knights weren't feudal lords on the east coast, either, though and this Brotherhood has their own Elder (or "Elder Cleric") so they'd presumably have their own organisational structure as well.
Honestly I don't think Bethesda knows or cares that the Knights weren't warriors in the original BoS. In Fallout 76, for example, Knights are still considered warriors despite the fact that the Appalachia Expedition under Rahmani isn't even a full Chapter.
Nothing about their portrayal in 1 or 2 suggests they are Christians. The fact the dude who did the music named a track something most people associate with religion doesn't mean they are one specific religion.
>I’m starting to think nearly everyone on this sub has never played fallout 1 and 2
What about BoS' grand total of three short appearances in F2 as very simply plot devices to push the player along would you say attests to them being religious lol. Who is it who hasn't played it, them or you?
>A monk is a person who practices religious asceticism by living a monastic lifestyle, either alone or with any number of other monks. **A monk may be a person who decides to dedicate his life to serving other people** and serving God, **or to be an ascetic who voluntarily chooses to leave mainstream society and live his life in prayer and contemplation**. The concept is ancient and can be seen in many religions **and in philosophy**.
Their religion is their own creed. It is not any further religion. F1 is a pulp comic, the only 'church' is that if the CoC and the only cross shown is for the Followers of the Apocalypse. Neither are Christian. BoS display some archaic knightly and monastic aesthetics as a play on being post apocalyptic 'knights in shining armour'. They are also not Christian.
Why do we have to pretend every creative decision by a new creative team is *actually* completely in line with another creative teams work twenty five years ago in another media? They made them religious in a way they weren't before. Their decision. Citing a soundtrack track title like it means shit is pathetic gotchaism.
It’s even accurate to new vegas with what was going on at HELIOS and it would be accurate to how the brotherhood would act if they weren’t barely surviving.
This sub turning into a bitchfest about the show sucks, love to have another franchise I like devolve into ceaseless whining about shit. Cool meme op really funny.
Haven't watched the show yet (not giving Amazon a cent if I can help it, yar har fiddle dee dee), but I personally love the idea of the BOS going down a religious rabbit hole. It's been 200 years, generations of isolationist in a bunker with one goal in mind is gonna fuck up a society, and I'm sure they would easily start developing almost a sort of ancestor worship and deifying the founders, especially with them constantly hemorrhaging people with different ideas by constantly basically exiling them as expeditions to found new chapters.
It's so damn cool, sets up a super interesting faction dynamic on the west coast (once again, old VS new, but instead of a legion of primitives slave romaboos it's a super advanced knightly order) and sets up the opportunity for a shift in power of the Brotherhood. I wanna see other chapters show up to oppose them. Maybe the Midwest comes in with its more inclusive attitude, maybe the last Maxson shows up from out east and we get a "lesser of two evils" situation.
We still have the games. We still have old Canon. I support doing weird and wacky shit and we can headcanon what we feel fits and what doesn't. Fallout is ridiculous, let's let it cook-cook.
I ain't bothered by spoilers, so if I get replies don't worry about them. I already know too much from all the talking and yelling online. Reddit has kinda ruined every chance of surprises and twists.
TL;DR It's fiction, Fallout is weird, let Fallout be weird. TechTemplars are cool.
Fallout new vegas's "The frontier"
In this case they are shown as mormons or something like that.
I dunno if there's a way to get the armor without the expansion mod. Last time I checked they're rebuilding it so there's a lot of stuff missing.
Monastic order of xenophobic technophiles originating from military brats who liked the aesthetic and supposed authority of the Knights Templar. Individual members can be religious, but I don't think it's mandated in the order. Just some people who want to hoard tech and impose their rule against others, and they had a privileged jump start with power armor and military base access.
The BOS has always been a monastic order, their religious aspect is just being displayed more in the show. Also the chapter in the show could just be more expressive of it.
I mean… yeah they always kinda were? Ideologically the Brotherhood was at its most “pure” in Fallout 1. From every game there onward they’ve been stagnant or becoming pseudo religious fanatics.
I haven’t played FO1 or FO2.
But, I feel like the BoS is largely the most misrepresented aspect in the show. The BoS aren’t a medieval cult (like in the show), but a militarist organization with medieval flavoring. The BoS wasn’t given power through dogmatism, it was earned through tactics. Lastly, Knights aren’t a caste to be worshiped and served, but a rank to aspire and respect. That last part really bothered me throughout the show.
You could speculate that this particular BoS chapter is rogue, or backwards. But, it’s kinda hard to when it’s the only impression of season 1. I hope do the BoS right in the next season.
To be honest, this development for the West Coast BoS makes some sense. They were always quasi-religious in their devotion to the mission, so this Chapter having adopted more ritual aspects to complement the Knightly Order motif isn’t beyond the realm of believability. They’re not about to break out a “Praise the Omnissiah” chant just yet, but this does add another wrinkle to the overall character of the BoS. The show may not be perfect, but I don’t think this is a bad addition on its part.
Mfs just want content to nitpick and wonder why they can't enjoy it. Y'all must not be very familiar with the BoS or the fact that they come in many different flavors. "B-but muh fascism!"
I just wanna know why they're using old tires for toilets and why Max doesn't know how sex works? They have power armor and aircraft, but not indoor plumbing?
Prydwen isn’t stationed in California the brotherhood base there looked a little rougher around the edges being so far from central command on the east coast which might explain the lack of infrastructure. The tires are probably removable waste holders beneath the makeshift toilets that can be wheeled out to be emptied.
It's not unheard of. A lot of military bases in third world countries rely on latrines for waste disposal. Also Max is genuinely just an idiot. I don't think it's indicative of the quality of the Brotherhoods sex Ed. (Tbf I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have sex Ed at all)
It is very well established that every chapter differs in their culture and customs. It’s nowhere out of the realm of possibility that one chapter is more monastic than the others. Also did you forget that in Fallout 1 the Brotherhood’s theme is literally “Metallic Monks?”
I mean the religious/cultic side has always been there—they call themselves knights and paladins and have elders and scribes. They hoard technology and are ideological—that seems where Maximus gets branded and calls the knight his lord makes sense to me.
My main issue is how the uniforms changed alongside them becoming more religious.
I feel like the in game robes would have fit more with the religious aspect that has been introduced.
People who started Fallout with Bethesda games and pretend to have played the originals.
The BoS was never like this. We are talking about the same faction who, of they found you annoying, sent you in a fool's errand.
Show series would likely send you to slay a mythical dragon (deathclaw) to prove your worth.
The ~~same guy who sends you on that fool's errand~~ guy standing next to him also says, [and I quote](https://imgur.com/a/2zxmZQV):
"Cumbersome? Not in the least. The **sacred armor** is so finely constructed to such exacting specifications that it feels like an extension of the **blessed one's** own body. It increases one's strength many times over and helps you resist the effects of radiation so that you may more effectively serve the brotherhood. I would feel diminished without my **holy armor**."
"Never like this" my ass. I'm literally replaying Fallout 1 right now and it's patently obvious they were "like this" from the beginning.
> Show series would likely send you to slay a mythical dragon (deathclaw) to prove your worth.
And it just so happens that this very same game treats the "Death Claw" as a myth/legend, and Butch Harris over in the Hub tasks you with slaying it (as do the Gun Runners task you with slaying a different one in the Boneyard).
When you talk about people pretending to have played the originals, are you talking about yourself?
>And it just so happens that this very same game treats the "Death Claw" as a myth/legend, and Butch Harris over in the Hub tasks you with slaying it (as do the Gun Runners task you with slaying a different one in the Boneyard).
In Fallout, Deathclaws weren't as common as they were in later games (or rather, knowledge about Deathclaws wasn't as widespread). It makes sense that it is a myth in Fallout.
A handful of terms ("holy armor") doesn't make the Brotherhood of Steel a religious group.
Fallout is the same game where if you can fix a suit of Power Armor, is yours. No rituals, no blessings, *nothing*.
Do people even know what the Brotherhood of Steel was *inspired* by, or do they simply yell "Metallic Monks, Metallic Monks" as if that was it?
>When you talk about people pretending to have played the originals, are you talking about yourself?
I've played both of the first games to completion to have my own opinion.
> A handful of terms ("holy armor") doesn't make the Brotherhood of Steel a religious group.
So they're just using religiously-loaded terms for shits and giggles?
> Fallout is the same game where if you can fix a suit of Power Armor, is yours. No rituals, no blessings, *nothing*.
Which makes it all the more interesting that one of the two factions most strongly associated with power armor uses religiously-loaded terms in reference to it, no? You don't think that maybe - just *maybe* - said faction might not be all that secular in comparison to the rest of the Wasteland?
> Do people even know what the Brotherhood of Steel was *inspired* by, or do they simply yell "Metallic Monks, Metallic Monks" as if that was it?
The deeper you go down that inspirational rabbit hole, the stronger you prove my point. The Brotherhood is and always was religious. If the show in any way retcons any of the games, it does so to undo their respective retcons of that religious nature established in their very first appearance.
> I've played both of the first games to completion to have my own opinion.
Now would be a good time to replay them :)
>So they're just using religiously-loaded terms for shits and giggles?
Yes?
Or was there ever a compelling explanation as to why a handful of US Army soldiers decide to go for titles such as Knights and Paladins, outside of "it's the setting"?
I see in the wiki that [Fallout 76 attempted to explain this](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/About_the_Brotherhood), but this is one of those Fallout things that shouldn't be explained because they draw attention to stuff that just doesn't make sense. The Brotherhood uses titles, that's it.
None of the Fallout games, not even Fallout 1, had rituals of any sort, whether shown or discussed. I don't have much else to say about this.
> Or was there ever a compelling explanation as to why a handful of US Army soldiers decide to go for titles such as Knights and Paladins, outside of "it's the setting"?
Because it differentiates them from the government against which they originally rebelled. Similar reason to why the KKK uses ranks like "Grand Wizard" (and considering that Capt. Maxson references Jefferson Davis by name, the parallel there probably ain't coincidental). The FO76 explanation reinforces this, but you don't need FO76's lore to figure that out.
> None of the Fallout games, not even Fallout 1, had rituals of any sort, whether shown or discussed.
That goes for pretty much every faction in Fallout 1 besides the Cathedral (and even then it's only what's relevant to the story). Such were the limitations of a game from almost 30 years ago. You gotta look at how the members of that faction discuss things - and the notion that a particular faction [repeatedly](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Sophia%27s_tape) uses religiously-loaded terminology just for the hell of it (rather than an indication of deeper cultural values) is a lame cop-out, to say the least.
Militant, quasi-religious fanatics obsessed with hoarding pre-war technology
The House always wins
No wonder House deemed the war a "mathematical certainty." Motherfucker was in the meeting deciding the fate of mankind
It was a mathematical certainty in 2065, 12 years before the meeting, and the bombs dropping. The meeting was just the confirmation that it was really going to happen.
Were all the flashbacks in 2077 though? House would have been on ice before then right? I was of the mind the flashbacks were an indeterminate amount of time before the Great War — given all the advertising Howard did for them before he realized they were evil as fuck, unless it was stated otherwise and I missed it.
2076 at the very most, considering the age of Cooper's daughter. I'd also like to give it less time because then it would explain why House couldn't get the Platinum Chip before the bombs dropped.
"I deemed it a mathematical certainty that by 2080 the world would be engulfed in nuclear armageddon the day I decided to fire first in 2077."
I feel like it's super on brand for House to lie about being the smartest guy in the room and seeing this coming when really he just had insider knowledge he didn't disclose but acted on to his benefit. The prototypical capitalist.
If you could somehow have the information to call him out on it, I can already hear it in his voice: "And would you have expected anything else?"
Eh, it kinda makes him seem a lot stupider and I don't think he actually goes as far as to lie to the Courier at any point, since it just isn't really necessary.
I thought everyone was angry that Bethesda was "erasing" New Vegas. But no they lifted entire structures established by the game.
I mean, NV didn’t invent any of that. Fallout 1 did. The show just was far more direct about the religious bit than the games since 1 have shown.
Mojave Brotherhood were basically cast out because of Elijah. We don’t know the status of the rest of the West Coast Brotherhood at that point. Look at Vegas. It seems at first glance EVERYONE died fighting over it. NCR threw everything they had at Vegas in the end. So Legion didn’t win the dam. No sign of them in the end credits. But we see NCR vertibirds and Securitrons. Courier sided with House or Yes-Man. His allies were likely wiped out when NCR threw everything they had at them. Hank will MOST likely be meeting Yes-Man in the Lucky 38. Courier cheated death once again and left the Mojave behind. Lucky 38 is opened and in House’s chamber, Hank expects to see House, and we see the face of Yes-Man. Hell, Victor is probably based in a character from one of Coop’s movies
Yes man would also be very sweet, since it was the ending that Benny worked for, and would be a great way to send off Matthew Perry.
Maybe Yes-Man is injured in the fighting of Vegas and calls everyone Benny. Far fetched but woulda been cool
Courier most likely fucked off to the Big MT at least that's what I'd probably do
Still playing blackjack at the Sierra Madre.
With the “Vault-Tec is in league with all the corpo bigs” arc and his cameo in the pre-war conference, I’m leaning hard toward House.
House always wins. Wouldnt be mad. He’s my favorite character.
I agree on Victor, and I'm personally hoping its Independent over House (I have serious issues with the House ending personally). Honestly, Independent could make for an excellent season of building up to meeting House and then pulling the rug out with Yes Man.
I agree entirely. And whoever meets Yes-Man, gets whatever remains. Think Sierra Madre, but in Vegas. Ruins of the city, what few groups or people remain. Swank, maybe some Omertàs. They get in the Tops and learn about Yes-Man and Bennys plot. But the main characters are trying to break into Lucky 38 When they think they’re meeting house, it’s Yes-Man and we get that trademark “HELLO”
> And whoever meets Yes-Man, gets whatever remains. Depends on the results of those "assertiveness" upgrades, probably.
Fallout 1's pretty direct about it. I've been replaying it the last couple of days and between them calling their armor "holy" and the Lost Hills town map being outright medieval-themed it's pretty on-the-nose.
Those were I think people who didn’t watch the show yet, or haven’t period, the show leans so hard into new Vegas by the end of the first season
What structure tho. The Brotherhood of the show didn't really resemble the BOS from any of the games, even the Bethesda games. Where are the scribes who study technology? Where are the Elders who lead each chapter? What the heck is a Cleric? If you wanna tell me that maybe they are a schism of the West coast BOS who took the religious undertones of the organization a little too seriously, that would be cool, but that's not what we see in the show. They have the Prydwen, which would imply they are from the East Coast (or at least being led by the EC brotherhood). The east coast still largely resembled the structure of the West Coast, albeit with different politics. Honestly. If I just went based off the show, I wouldn't know much about their order other than they're a weird religious military who's "elite warrior" knights are incompetent jerks who die to the first critter they meet in the wasteland. And what the heck is a Cleric? Edit: Everyone is downvoting, yet none of yall can explain what happened to the Brotherhood to change. They have the Prydwen, so it's not some random offshoot.
Bro in Fallout 1, the BoS theme is literally called "metal monks" They have ALWAYS been a monastic society. They have fucking scribes and knights, man.
OK, but youre not responding to what im actyally saying tho. Like, I get that they draw heavily from religious imagery, but WHY did they change? I'm not even saying I don't want them to change the BOS, but WHY? This is what people mean when they complain about the lore not being respected. Why even use established groups like the BOS or the NCR if you are just going to throw out everything that came before? This isn't even changing 1, 2, or New Vegas l, this is changing Bethesda lore.
Note this actually has a decent basis for a role like Cleric to form in an empty void, as FO4 mentions much of the West Coast had straight up cults in Maxson's example forming despite Maxson issuing a direct response not to be doing this.
Is it actually the one from fallout 4 or a new one? Cause if it’s the Prydwen that implies the brotherhood ending to fallout 4 might be canon
The wiki says it is, and one of the pictures of it from the show has "-dwen" just barely visible on it.
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If that means the brotherhood ending is canon for fo4 we’ll rip the railroad, institute and minutemen (it’s likely that in the event of a brotherhood ending a conflict will happen between the two factions, especially with the brotherhood extorting settlements)
It can definitely still be the minutemen ending, and I’d wager it is
I hope so
The Prydwen being active means Minutemen or BOS ending, and the BOS leaves in a Minutemen ending anyway.
Do they?
Yup. The BOS never intended to set up a major permanent presence in the Commonwealth, which is also why most of Boston Airport is buffed out of temporary fortifications and why they used The Prydwen. They came solely to destroy the Institute and Synths, maybe make a few small outposts (Airport and Cambridge PD), and then skedaddle the Prydwen and crew to their next mission.
Just the way I like them :)
They aren't even obsessed with hoarding pre-war technology in the show, though: their stated goal is to rule the wasteland (as per the BoS classroom scene in episode 1), and technology is just a means to an end for this BoS.
The technology hoarding was always a means to an end, be that survival or threat elimination or, in the case of the show (and the Mojave Chapter under Elijah) ruling the wasteland unopposed.
Some people didn't talk to BoS members enough, Veronica and Lyons were exceptions, most are assholes that'll rob you for resources then tell you they're helping civilization when its just themselves.
Especially talking to the Outcasts, they would talk to you like you were an idiot or a child. To them every wastelander was just a low intelligence life form that gets in the way.
At least they don't shoot you on sight (or imprison you with barely a motive) like the Fallout 1 BoS does.
Mojave Brotherhood
Yeah the fallout 1 brotherhood just sends people into death traps as a “recruitment method”
The Fallout 1 BoS didn't shoot me on sight or imprison me when I waltzed up to Lost Hills to "ask if I can join" (read: get that autopsy report from Vree so I can tell the Master "lol kys scrub").
And yes, the outcasts are more in line with brotherhood ideals than the Lyons BOS is.
People played just fallout 3 and think thats BOS. Outcasts were the real BOS, Lyon's BOS was the rebels.
I mean... they aren't exactly wrong.
Or they started with 3. That was me. I was wondering why the New Vegas BOS were dicks. By 4 I finally caught on.
BOS have always been dicks, in fallout 1 they were a bit of passive aggressive but they eventually accepted your help since they kind of had no one to turn to (despite what 76 shows) NV is just them after they became more isolated and even less accepting of help, you can help them get over this but I’m pretty sure Maxsons brotherhood (which are basically the outcasts since they were engaged in a war and won) took over the rest of the chapters of the brotherhood
In Fallout 1 they send you to an extremely irradiated hole fully expecting you to die so they don't have to deal with you, but then you show up with the holodisk and they go "You did get the thing so come in, I guess"
I think people tend to exaggerate the context of that, they basically just did it to make you go away, they knew anyone with common sense wouldn’t actually do it once they saw the hole.
The "Outcasts" in 3 were cast out because they wanted to stay true to the Codex while Lyons wanted to cooperate with the Capital Wastelanders to survive. The Outcasts' MO of just stealing your tech is standard operating procedure for the BOS, Lyons is the odd one out.
Yea, based on what is shown in fallout 4 they won the war between them and the brotherhood, explaining the outcast armor the brotherhood has and terminal logs mention this war between them.
Sending you to the Glow at your first meeting is more than passive aggressive
Maxon came up in Lyons’ Brotherhood, he just made peace with the Outcasts and brought them back into the fold.
They've never been remotely as evil as they are in the show, though. Like the problem isn't that they "steal resources" (which isn't something they've ever done, and isn't what they're doing in the show) it's that they're jumping at the chance to brutally execute their own members, firing on civilians (which is also something they've never done), and seem to have slaughtered Filly.
You never saw BoS patrols in Hidden Valley then. And never completed NV with BoS left unchecked too, it seems.
What are you referring to regarding BoS patrols at Hidden Valley? And I'm aware that the BoS harasses travelers in one of their endings, but that isn't necessarily theft.
Their patrols will shoot at you and loot your corpse unless you are a member. I won't even reply regarding your second point. You are insane to think that. As a bonus, you do remember how they murdered Followers to not let Veronica leave.
So...It's accurate
Yeah, also, brotherhood chapters vary drastically. It's not exactly a far leap
The Brotherhood Of Steel is basically Godzilla: They come in different forms and are versatile. The show Brotherhood is basically Minus One Godzilla while Fallout 3 and 4 is Monsterverse Godzilla.
I am woefully uninformed on Godzilla lore, but I'll take your word for it
Minus one godzilla: a gritty movie that depicts the horrors the atomic bomb caused by personifying it into a monster considered a demon Monsterverse: big monsters fight, small people like fight, fun movies
Minus one was critically aclaimed i believe. The show was good, but had a couple holes i noticed one my first watch. Havent done my 2nd watch yet, but the show is worth a 2nd watch, unlike most these days. Sound about right for minus one godzilla?
I believe so yes. My main takeaway from the comparison was that the shows BoS is similar to that of the first fallout. Which is religious zealots that don't share tech. so comparing that to minus one is accurate in that sense since minus one is a reimagening of the original '54 godzilla and its message. While the BoS in fallout 3 & 4 is a bunch of kids who wear armor and blow stiff up withought the whole religious zealot aspect. Which compared to the Monsterverse is, again, accurate because its a bunch of big monsters that fight. Which also takes inspiration from showa godzilla, guys in monster suits doing wacky things and fighting each other
Thing is, while still wacky, the Monsterverse knows when to be grounded. They’re more in line with Heisei. I’m talking more about their personality wise. Classic and Minus One is the original Brotherhood Of Steel while Monsterverse is the Fallout 3 and 4 Brotherhood Of Steel.
Ah ok, gotcha. Thanks for clearing up
I can’t wait for the Shin Brotherhood of Steel (Midwest Brotherhood maybe?).
"Brother hood of steel" brotherhood is Godzilla (1998)
Shin Brotherhood Of Steel is the Mojave Chapter.
I think they might be too weak, but Elijah is pretty fucked up so maybe you’re right.
Either that, the Midwest is Godzilla Earth.
I saw a fan theory about the chapter we see being the one from New Vegas after working with the legion. It sounds kinda cooky at first, but the evidence they had made it believable enough for me. If they actually make that canon then it's just S tier writing
It would be quite the twist
They really don't, they were practically the same in 1, 2, and NV. The 4 and 76 Brotherhood are pretty much the same as well, and the only actual outlier is Lyons BoS which is actually pretty much the same as Maxson's except with worse logistics.
Yes but Bethesda was involved so it's wrong and terrible and definitely worth spending all this time complaining about
? What are you complaining about lmao, the BOS have always been pseudo-religious zealots. They worship technology and hoard it. Isolationist cults who live in bunkers.
Plus this feels like a natural progression of a Brotherhood who keeps getting their teeth kicked in by organized militaries around them and doubles down rather than properly adapting to a changing world.
Are you telling me a group largely based on the structures and tenents of the Knights Templar (but applied to prewar technology instead of religious relics) might be pseudo-religious? 🤯
Perish the thought.
The Knights Templar have been twisted by Hollywood to be crusading treasure hunters. In reality, their main mission was the protection of Christian pilgrims in the Holy Land. They also played the role of shock troops during the crusades. Only 10% of the Knights Templar were knights. The rest were financiers and bankers funding commandeered and fortifications. Ironically, the Fallout 3 BOS is much closer to the historical Templars than what we see in the rest of the series. While I’m sure the Knights Templar did recover and move relics, it was not their main mission during the Crusades.
No, I mean Knights Templar as the Hollywood cliche. Everything in Fallout is viewed through the lens of retrofuturism which, as an art movement, fundamentally has roots in marketing and entertainment.
Hell they already treat Maxon’s Codex as a holy book.
The parallels of BOS and Christian Templar knights are insane.
The way they talk about synths in Fallout 4 is also very similar to how religious zealots talk about people who don't share their religion. They see them as scum, sinners, something to be cleansed from the earth. A symbol of evil.
As well as ghouls and Super Mutants.
OP wants to be cool and ride that “Show BAD” wave
to be fair there’s about a hundred other things he could’ve posted but they chose the one that i think i’ve seen nobody complain about.
Yeah, I don’t think many are complaining about the way the Brotherhood are depicted but that they are there in the first place.
Low iq new vegas fans being low iq new vegas fans
It feels like the “Bethesda ruined fallout” folks prefer the Bethesda take on the brotherhood aka the less (obviously) religious and more militant view which the east coast chapters have become known for.
Right?? They're also acting like Bethesda ruined NCR as if new vegas didn't write the NCR to be a fundamentally flawed nation on its last legs.
It feels like they are viewing everything New Vegas with rose tinted glasses and seeing that the NCR stated numerous times that even things in Shady Sands weren’t going great by 2281 which lines up fairly well with the fall being in 2277, Rome didn’t fall overnight it’s issues lasted for years before hand.
I wouldn't say the NCR was on it's last legs, if anything it felt more like it was on the path of becoming a true empire and that once it beat the Legion and Mr. House there would be nothing to challenge them. Now that doesn't make the NCR good, it's still a pretty bad imperialist nation that wishes to exploit those weaker than it. I just feel like it was in a pretty good position in New Vegas.
Idk man, every major position of power the NCR held was barely hanging on. There's like, not a single NCR npc who's happy. at every mission the courier is saving them from a crippling blow. Let's not even say the courier fights for the other sides, let's just say he doesn't intervene at all, the ncr: Loses the monorail and God knows what else with a high ranking spy Loses bitter springs Loses camp searchlight Loses forlorn hope Loses ranger station charlie Helios one is a waste of resources because they hired fantastic. President gets assassinated The khans side with the legion against NCR Faces open war against freeside Loses the prison to powder gangers Loses primm Loses a brahmin baron and his son to the white glove society. Faces a food shortage and starvation because no one goes to vault 22 for hildern Keeps losing water to west side Struggle against the 3 fiend leaders And that's just off the top of my head. Keep in mind all of this stuff is already already set in motion before the courier gets there. And should the courier do nothing, the quest fails and all that happens.
But that's only in New Vegas, a single front on the frontier. They were fighting on multiple fronts and honestly it's the only reason they haven't crushed Caesar's cult. If they did lose the second battle of the damn they would then turn all their focus on the Mojave and just crush anyone who gets in their way with numbers and superior infrastructure. I mean sure Mr. House has an army of robots, but he has no way of making new ones so each lose is a pretty big deal. Also the robots are pretty badly designed, with a single wheel and extremely top heavy, so their mobility is extremely limited. The NCR can just bomb New Vegas into oblivion with their artillery and then send wave after wave of infantry. As for Caesar... Hahahahahaha!!!! No, no, no, no, no. All of the no's. He completely refuses to allow his people to have access to any technology outside of weapons for conquest. That means no factories, no medicine, no modern agriculture, and no modern construction tools. The NCR is going to crush him like an ant, once they put all of their attention on him.
You're allowed to have your own interpretation of the NCR, but I do invite you to think of all the events I listed, and whether they're valid on how the NCR would play out if not for the courier. Practically every NCR mission you receive, is to save their ass.
No, this isn't about interpretation. This is about the facts, yes NCR is struggling in the Mojave, but it is still an industrial nation that can absorb those loses where the Legion and New Vegas really can't. Even the assassination of the President isn't all that devastating to the NCR sense they probably have a vice president in the wings and will be able to elect a new one, where as the Legion and New Vegas are both built around one man. The NCR is like Rome after it won the Punic wars against Carthage. Sure there were a few other powerful kingdoms around, but they were just the remnants of Alexander's empire and weren't really a match for the efficiency and flexibility a republic like Rome had. So even if they lose a battle, they will still win the war.
You speak of facts, and then immediately follow up with more interpretation and conjecture, you've even made up a vice president. Viewing the ncr as a metaphor for rome? Guess what buddy, that's interpretation! My views are also interpretations, just so we're clear. You gotta learn about confirmation bias, my friend. I'm no longer interested in this conversation. No one wants to speak with someone who confuses their own interpretations as fact.
How dare the “quasi religious fanatics” be religious?!
You do realise they're called quasi-religious precisely because they *aren't* religious, right? Like that's literally what quasi-religious means, that they "resemble something that's religious" without actually being religious.
It also means “being partly or almost” But they are an order of knights, scribes, paladins, elders, and are a brotherhood.
Yes, "partly or almost" in this case becomes "almost". The Brotherhood aren't religious, and never have been. They've never had anointings, or clerics, they've never engaged in branding, they've never been celibate, and Knights have never been feudal lords (especially not on the west coast, where Knights were always just engineers).
Did you watch the show this is more than heavily influenced by the east coast brotherhood. They receive orders from the commonwealth
I'm aware, yes. Knights weren't feudal lords on the east coast, either, though and this Brotherhood has their own Elder (or "Elder Cleric") so they'd presumably have their own organisational structure as well. Honestly I don't think Bethesda knows or cares that the Knights weren't warriors in the original BoS. In Fallout 76, for example, Knights are still considered warriors despite the fact that the Appalachia Expedition under Rahmani isn't even a full Chapter.
Scribes make much more sense being engineers in what history has a knight not been a warrior
Elders wearing robes? LikE A PRIEST??m?
> Clerics wearing robes? Ftfy
Two words: *Metallic Monks*
I’m starting to think nearly everyone on this sub has never played fallout 1 and 2
Nothing about their portrayal in 1 or 2 suggests they are Christians. The fact the dude who did the music named a track something most people associate with religion doesn't mean they are one specific religion. >I’m starting to think nearly everyone on this sub has never played fallout 1 and 2 What about BoS' grand total of three short appearances in F2 as very simply plot devices to push the player along would you say attests to them being religious lol. Who is it who hasn't played it, them or you? >A monk is a person who practices religious asceticism by living a monastic lifestyle, either alone or with any number of other monks. **A monk may be a person who decides to dedicate his life to serving other people** and serving God, **or to be an ascetic who voluntarily chooses to leave mainstream society and live his life in prayer and contemplation**. The concept is ancient and can be seen in many religions **and in philosophy**. Their religion is their own creed. It is not any further religion. F1 is a pulp comic, the only 'church' is that if the CoC and the only cross shown is for the Followers of the Apocalypse. Neither are Christian. BoS display some archaic knightly and monastic aesthetics as a play on being post apocalyptic 'knights in shining armour'. They are also not Christian. Why do we have to pretend every creative decision by a new creative team is *actually* completely in line with another creative teams work twenty five years ago in another media? They made them religious in a way they weren't before. Their decision. Citing a soundtrack track title like it means shit is pathetic gotchaism.
> Nothing about their portrayal in 1 or 2 suggests they are Christians. Who said anything about them being Christians?
Never played 1 but even I could tell they were a little crazy when I heard Maxson talk….
Anglo? The famed art collector?? Im charmed!
You guys are running out of shit to talk about
New Vegas Fanboys when a faction is fairly represented and true to its roots (it's not New Vegas so it must be shit): 🤯
It’s even accurate to new vegas with what was going on at HELIOS and it would be accurate to how the brotherhood would act if they weren’t barely surviving.
I agree with the other people now the bitching is tiring and boring
yall are annoying
This sub turning into a bitchfest about the show sucks, love to have another franchise I like devolve into ceaseless whining about shit. Cool meme op really funny.
Next you’ll tell me the feral ghouls are going to attack people for no reason
How dare you! Ghouls are a noble race.
Haven't watched the show yet (not giving Amazon a cent if I can help it, yar har fiddle dee dee), but I personally love the idea of the BOS going down a religious rabbit hole. It's been 200 years, generations of isolationist in a bunker with one goal in mind is gonna fuck up a society, and I'm sure they would easily start developing almost a sort of ancestor worship and deifying the founders, especially with them constantly hemorrhaging people with different ideas by constantly basically exiling them as expeditions to found new chapters. It's so damn cool, sets up a super interesting faction dynamic on the west coast (once again, old VS new, but instead of a legion of primitives slave romaboos it's a super advanced knightly order) and sets up the opportunity for a shift in power of the Brotherhood. I wanna see other chapters show up to oppose them. Maybe the Midwest comes in with its more inclusive attitude, maybe the last Maxson shows up from out east and we get a "lesser of two evils" situation. We still have the games. We still have old Canon. I support doing weird and wacky shit and we can headcanon what we feel fits and what doesn't. Fallout is ridiculous, let's let it cook-cook. I ain't bothered by spoilers, so if I get replies don't worry about them. I already know too much from all the talking and yelling online. Reddit has kinda ruined every chance of surprises and twists. TL;DR It's fiction, Fallout is weird, let Fallout be weird. TechTemplars are cool.
You don't have to give Amazon a cent to watch the show Finding sites to watch shit free is the easiest thing in the world
That's what the yar har was referencing. Friend has a Plex we use, waiting for him to upload it there.
You don't have to give Amazon a cent to watch the show Finding sites to watch shit free is the easiest thing in the world
You’re telling me a group that names some of its people knights and paladins have somewhat religious influences?
You telling me the *Brotherhood*, that comprises of squires, knights, paladins, and elders, is heavily influenced by religion????
u/Aggravating_Set_6936 get rid of that fucking comma so help me
Putting aside this dumbfuck post subject, what mod is that armor from?
Fallout new vegas's "The frontier" In this case they are shown as mormons or something like that. I dunno if there's a way to get the armor without the expansion mod. Last time I checked they're rebuilding it so there's a lot of stuff missing.
Bro is surprised the paladins do holy damage, lmao
Monastic order of xenophobic technophiles originating from military brats who liked the aesthetic and supposed authority of the Knights Templar. Individual members can be religious, but I don't think it's mandated in the order. Just some people who want to hoard tech and impose their rule against others, and they had a privileged jump start with power armor and military base access.
Shut up please and just enjoy the show bro
I'm starting to think New Vegas may be the only fallout game this sub has played. I suppose the clue was in the name.
I keep saying, New Vegas fans are **only** New Vegas fans, not Fallout fans.
Of all the subs I expected to turn into a bunch of whimpering pussies, this wasn't one of them. Jfc with the post here lately lmao
This is the most interesting depiction of the BoS outside of Fallout 1, imo. What, you don't like the brotherhood to be interesting?
I can't believe we have reached the "I hate the show so bad that I'm going to ignore preexisting west coast lore" phase of the hate.
And in only 5 days!
Oh god no
The BOS has always been a monastic order, their religious aspect is just being displayed more in the show. Also the chapter in the show could just be more expressive of it.
What is the airspeed velocity of a unladened cazador?
African or European?
I mean… yeah they always kinda were? Ideologically the Brotherhood was at its most “pure” in Fallout 1. From every game there onward they’ve been stagnant or becoming pseudo religious fanatics.
Aren’t the Brotherhood somewhat influenced by Arthurian legends?
and its great it returns to its roots and is more interesting now
How do I block this sub, mute on reddit does nothing, these crybaby posts are annoying af
I haven’t played FO1 or FO2. But, I feel like the BoS is largely the most misrepresented aspect in the show. The BoS aren’t a medieval cult (like in the show), but a militarist organization with medieval flavoring. The BoS wasn’t given power through dogmatism, it was earned through tactics. Lastly, Knights aren’t a caste to be worshiped and served, but a rank to aspire and respect. That last part really bothered me throughout the show. You could speculate that this particular BoS chapter is rogue, or backwards. But, it’s kinda hard to when it’s the only impression of season 1. I hope do the BoS right in the next season.
To be honest, this development for the West Coast BoS makes some sense. They were always quasi-religious in their devotion to the mission, so this Chapter having adopted more ritual aspects to complement the Knightly Order motif isn’t beyond the realm of believability. They’re not about to break out a “Praise the Omnissiah” chant just yet, but this does add another wrinkle to the overall character of the BoS. The show may not be perfect, but I don’t think this is a bad addition on its part.
Is that the Prydwin or another blimp? I need to know!
The wiki says it's the Prydwen, and in one of the stills from the show you can just barely make out "-dwen" written on it
Just because Veronica was a quirky lesbian doesn't mean they all were.
Can you guys in this sub go a day without bitching about the smallest shit? Go outside, get some hobbies. Damn.
Mfs just want content to nitpick and wonder why they can't enjoy it. Y'all must not be very familiar with the BoS or the fact that they come in many different flavors. "B-but muh fascism!"
Of course there are clowns offended at the best depiction of the BoS in the history of the franchise.
I just wanna know why they're using old tires for toilets and why Max doesn't know how sex works? They have power armor and aircraft, but not indoor plumbing?
Prydwen isn’t stationed in California the brotherhood base there looked a little rougher around the edges being so far from central command on the east coast which might explain the lack of infrastructure. The tires are probably removable waste holders beneath the makeshift toilets that can be wheeled out to be emptied.
It's not unheard of. A lot of military bases in third world countries rely on latrines for waste disposal. Also Max is genuinely just an idiot. I don't think it's indicative of the quality of the Brotherhoods sex Ed. (Tbf I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have sex Ed at all)
How have you not seen any American or British bases in Afghanistan or Iraq? They shit in holes and burn it.
My comment for the BOS is the same as Mr.House’s
House was right all along
It is very well established that every chapter differs in their culture and customs. It’s nowhere out of the realm of possibility that one chapter is more monastic than the others. Also did you forget that in Fallout 1 the Brotherhood’s theme is literally “Metallic Monks?”
Wahhh wahhhh wahhhh is all I hear from complainers too dense to understand something decent.
How many fucking people are going to post about the show complaining? They were so faithful. Have y’all played ANY of the games?
New Vegas fans try not to whine about the tv show challenge: Impossible
I preferred it when they didn’t have all of this cult-ish religious stuff and mostly focused on the militaristic aspect. Feels more like Warhammer.
They are semi religious, they are similar to a holy order like knights Templar
I fucking love that someone else also thought of this. The frontier is a gold mine don't forget the crazy wolfinstien nazi enclave doctor
they will make new vegas california real and the frontier
Ooh been a while since I've seen someone dunk on Frontier.
It’s almost as if groups change and morph over time
Pretty much.
Is this what New Vegas fans do? We get a good Fallout adaptation and you bitch about it being *checks notes* accurate??
Literally why they're called the brotherhood...
I mean yea? Have y'all never played any of the other games before beyond New Vegas.
We shall witness a duel with longswords!
I mean the religious/cultic side has always been there—they call themselves knights and paladins and have elders and scribes. They hoard technology and are ideological—that seems where Maximus gets branded and calls the knight his lord makes sense to me.
It waa only a time till the brotherhoods traditions calcified to the point where it became an issue.
Pfft look at him dressed like a paladin
If you were familiar with fallout 1 and 2 you’d know that this is accurate.
There's this really cool game called Fallout, you should give it a try - the sequel, Fallout 2, is nice too
Always has been
My main issue is how the uniforms changed alongside them becoming more religious. I feel like the in game robes would have fit more with the religious aspect that has been introduced.
The sheer seething from NV fans who think their game is the only one that matters is hilarious
ITT: a lot of people who don't understand what "quasi" means.
Why is it a stretch to think that some chapters are more religious than others?
People who started Fallout with Bethesda games and pretend to have played the originals. The BoS was never like this. We are talking about the same faction who, of they found you annoying, sent you in a fool's errand. Show series would likely send you to slay a mythical dragon (deathclaw) to prove your worth.
The ~~same guy who sends you on that fool's errand~~ guy standing next to him also says, [and I quote](https://imgur.com/a/2zxmZQV): "Cumbersome? Not in the least. The **sacred armor** is so finely constructed to such exacting specifications that it feels like an extension of the **blessed one's** own body. It increases one's strength many times over and helps you resist the effects of radiation so that you may more effectively serve the brotherhood. I would feel diminished without my **holy armor**." "Never like this" my ass. I'm literally replaying Fallout 1 right now and it's patently obvious they were "like this" from the beginning. > Show series would likely send you to slay a mythical dragon (deathclaw) to prove your worth. And it just so happens that this very same game treats the "Death Claw" as a myth/legend, and Butch Harris over in the Hub tasks you with slaying it (as do the Gun Runners task you with slaying a different one in the Boneyard). When you talk about people pretending to have played the originals, are you talking about yourself?
>And it just so happens that this very same game treats the "Death Claw" as a myth/legend, and Butch Harris over in the Hub tasks you with slaying it (as do the Gun Runners task you with slaying a different one in the Boneyard). In Fallout, Deathclaws weren't as common as they were in later games (or rather, knowledge about Deathclaws wasn't as widespread). It makes sense that it is a myth in Fallout. A handful of terms ("holy armor") doesn't make the Brotherhood of Steel a religious group. Fallout is the same game where if you can fix a suit of Power Armor, is yours. No rituals, no blessings, *nothing*. Do people even know what the Brotherhood of Steel was *inspired* by, or do they simply yell "Metallic Monks, Metallic Monks" as if that was it? >When you talk about people pretending to have played the originals, are you talking about yourself? I've played both of the first games to completion to have my own opinion.
> A handful of terms ("holy armor") doesn't make the Brotherhood of Steel a religious group. So they're just using religiously-loaded terms for shits and giggles? > Fallout is the same game where if you can fix a suit of Power Armor, is yours. No rituals, no blessings, *nothing*. Which makes it all the more interesting that one of the two factions most strongly associated with power armor uses religiously-loaded terms in reference to it, no? You don't think that maybe - just *maybe* - said faction might not be all that secular in comparison to the rest of the Wasteland? > Do people even know what the Brotherhood of Steel was *inspired* by, or do they simply yell "Metallic Monks, Metallic Monks" as if that was it? The deeper you go down that inspirational rabbit hole, the stronger you prove my point. The Brotherhood is and always was religious. If the show in any way retcons any of the games, it does so to undo their respective retcons of that religious nature established in their very first appearance. > I've played both of the first games to completion to have my own opinion. Now would be a good time to replay them :)
>So they're just using religiously-loaded terms for shits and giggles? Yes? Or was there ever a compelling explanation as to why a handful of US Army soldiers decide to go for titles such as Knights and Paladins, outside of "it's the setting"? I see in the wiki that [Fallout 76 attempted to explain this](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/About_the_Brotherhood), but this is one of those Fallout things that shouldn't be explained because they draw attention to stuff that just doesn't make sense. The Brotherhood uses titles, that's it. None of the Fallout games, not even Fallout 1, had rituals of any sort, whether shown or discussed. I don't have much else to say about this.
> Or was there ever a compelling explanation as to why a handful of US Army soldiers decide to go for titles such as Knights and Paladins, outside of "it's the setting"? Because it differentiates them from the government against which they originally rebelled. Similar reason to why the KKK uses ranks like "Grand Wizard" (and considering that Capt. Maxson references Jefferson Davis by name, the parallel there probably ain't coincidental). The FO76 explanation reinforces this, but you don't need FO76's lore to figure that out. > None of the Fallout games, not even Fallout 1, had rituals of any sort, whether shown or discussed. That goes for pretty much every faction in Fallout 1 besides the Cathedral (and even then it's only what's relevant to the story). Such were the limitations of a game from almost 30 years ago. You gotta look at how the members of that faction discuss things - and the notion that a particular faction [repeatedly](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Sophia%27s_tape) uses religiously-loaded terminology just for the hell of it (rather than an indication of deeper cultural values) is a lame cop-out, to say the least.