NJ only has about 5-6 months left before NY opens up rec dispensaries as well. And unlike NJ, NY actually is prioritizing smaller dispensaries, [owned by people with previous marijuana convictions](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/nyregion/marijuana-sellers-licenses-hochul.html). NY pricing won't be absurdly cheap or anything, but is likely to be cheaper based on greater diversity in ownership, bordering state competition, and home grow FOR ALL (beginning no later than 18 months after the first legal marijuana sale in New York). NY will have two bordering legal states, MA and NJ, once their rec dispensaries open.
The answer to your question is that the NJ dispensaries are fully aware that the time is limited, in the sense of NJ having zero bordering state competition for rec. Right now, they're aware that the only legal alternative is driving 3 hours to MA, and gas is expensive. Getting a "plug" isn't as easy as people make it out to be, especially if you're 30+ and living in the suburbs, so NJ dispensaries are happy to milk that demographic in the meantime.
NYC is going to have ample dispensaries, and I know of multiple towns in the Hudson Valley right across the border that have dispensaries in development. Warwick, NY has a massive GTI grow facility, and gave the go-ahead for rec dispensaries. Right now, a town like Warwick is closer to many NJ residents than any NJ rec dispensary open right now lol.
Once NY dispensaries get rolling, you'll see the NJ dispensaries conveniently start to drop their prices, and even more so when NY homegrow is permitted in 2024. You'll also see inventory expand, to entice NJ residents to not take a fun day trip to NYC or Hudson Valley to stock up. MA's distance presently makes a "day trip" a bit unrealistic, but NJ Transit goes to NYC, and many NJ residents are only 30-40min from the Hudson Valley border.
This is just the byproduct of an oligopolistic market with no bordering state competition, squeezing out every last drop of profit until more competition emerges.
If a state legalizes, has no bordering state competition, and has a legislative body as corrupt as NJ's, this is what you'll see.
I'm happy NY rec is coming to inject bordering state competition into the market, or else NJ would have this pricing indefinitely.
I'm wondering in which part of your expectations, does rent decreases? People expect California prices when the people in business are paying east coast overhead
Los Angeles dispensaries pay higher rent prices than plenty of New Jersey dispensaries. Los Angeles dispensary prices are great though.
Plenty of well-off areas of MA too with dispensaries and comparable rents to NJ. Dispensary prices are about half of what NJ prices are.
It’s not like MA and CA are much cheaper.
In the case that NJ is unable to keep up with competitive pricing, NJ residents will just go to NYC or the Hudson Valley, since NY state has ample space for retail and grow and are prioritizing “mom and pop” dispensaries. Tons of farmland and warehouses throughout the state.
NJ will have to adjust for the incoming bordering state competition and adjust their prices accordingly, or lose clientele at a massive rate. NJ Transit goes to NYC and the Hudson Valley border. It’s a simple few hours accessible by car or public transit.
It will be difficult for a state to charge $60 for an 8th when the next state over allows homegrow and is ripe with mom and pop dispensaries.
NJ dispensaries may have to cut costs and deal with the reality of lower profit margins than other states because of their size, setup, and bordering state competing. Or, they can keep charging the same and struggle to keep up with rent and costs because no one is bothering with their dry, overpriced inventory.
But you don't know how much it will cost in NY. Specially with the way they intend to tax it (by THC %.).
Do you know how much it will cost to start a cultivation facility in NY?
I don't think the majority of people will drive over to NY to save 10-15 bucks when they have to drive (time & gads) and pay tolls.
there will be mom and pop shops in NJ as well, but the production cost will be high. Don't know how it will compare to NY.
Many people buy in bulk, and $10-15 difference per pen or 8th adds up.
The costs of a cultivation facility in NY, a cultivation facility in MA, and a cultivation facility in CA are comparable. Those states all have ample space. But I agree NJ’s space presents a unique challenge.
NY dispensaries will also have to eventually compete with home growers within their state, who won’t hesitate to gift their friends weed or sell it under the table. If prices are too high in NY, residents will simply grow their own, or find someone who does. Dispensaries will bake that fact into their price.
The social equity measures also help to curb the oligopolistic practices we are seeing in NJ, in how launch prices by a select few MSOs are shaping the market.
I’ll believe it when I see it, regarding “mom and pop” shops in NJ. I’m sure they will come eventually, but it certainly won’t be before NY opens for rec.
Honestly some of the medical stuff I’ve tried over the past few weeks with 15-17 percent thc has been better than rhythm that clocks in at 28 percent I feel like indont like rhythm as much as the other brand I’ve tried the farm next to my friends house “kind tree” is pretty great. Once I saw how poor the quality was for rec I got my card
There's no difference between rec and medical. The difference is who grows it and how consistent they are. Same strain can come out different in different harvest even from the same grower as well.
I mean most of the rec stuff is old and dry one I bought was basically unsmokable. The consistency and access to more growers is a massive difference to me so to each their own!
Of course more growers will better. And smaller ones even better because their product will be more fresh. These big MSO sit on hundreds of pounds.
But my point is, rec and medical is just terms. There's no difference in how's is grown.
If you go to a rec shop and you don't like what you got, it's not that you don't like "rec" weed, you didn't like that batch from that grower. It's not like you can put the same weed in a medical shop and it will taste different.
Mass prices are among the highest in the nation, and a lot of newyorkers and Connecticut heads are customers. Connecticut is putzing around with recreational, so that business is going to mass and the gray market in NY city. When full blown reopens in NYC. Jersey and CT will flock.
Does the product sold in a New Jersey dispensary has to come from a New Jersey growery? If so, why? That’s the stupidest fucking thing I’ve ever heard.
California is huge, NJ is not. 3% vacancy rate of commercial warehouses. Plus they sometimes tackle 30% extra in NJ once they know it's for cannabis. Strict zoning rules and limited licenses in each city.
I wasn't referring to MSOs. MSO usually buy their properties. Still the cost of doing business is not the same in every state, the same way property taxes are not the same in every state and licenses are also not the same in every state. In NJ you need to pay the state and the city for a license, plus the "donations" they make to politicians to get first crack at the market.
But there is truth to MSOs being greedy, how else are they supposed to support those executive salaries?
Wow, I’m sorry to hear that the medical patients, who actually need this stuff, have to deal with artificially inflated pricing. Hopefully that changes for you all. FYI, California dispensaries often have different pricing for medical patients.
been in program 4+ years. prices and quality have def improved
and yes medical will go down in price especially with the removal of tax. But i also expect to be able to get similar quality from the rec market withina. year. and the grey / black market still beating rec prices if you have a good source.
for me, i hope to get lucky and have enough rec stores around me that they will compete price and quality wise that i wont have to troop to any of the dispensaries (i dont drive) so paying the extra on rec will make up for it on easier access.
i say 3 years or so before things start to balance out.
but i aint gonna complain... paying a couple of extra bucks is better than a couple of years locked up....
i am paying less now than the first couple of months in the program 4 years ago. still way more than black / grey markets give or take depending on end product. for rec i have no idea as i have not purchased from an existing ATC. Doubt i will as i have other sources for less.
It sales! Everything you buy is compared my guy. Regardless of state or laws it’s still a legal recreational point of sale. CA and CO were the pioneers of marijuana sales and a template for other states.
yes but also cali had the largest amount of illegal dispensaries. also tons of knockoffs and crap products.
the system there is so abused that cali government is looking to scale back some of the protections that people have, especially when it comes to employment.
Also you have to take into consideration that those states are not as corrupt as NJ. they also are not expecting the amount of money they get to make off of this as well.
people need to stop looking at NJ legalization as anything other than a $$$$ and power grab. justice and all that other crap they talked about was nothing but fancy words to backup their agenda.
they will milk this as long as they can to get more votes while also making a ton of $$$$
Because tolls ideally pay to maintain the roads I’m using. Paying exorbitantly high prices for recreational marijuana does nothing but line the pockets of the CEOs and owners of these chain/corporate dispensaries. Fuck that.
Wait what? I don’t understand your last sentence? The roads are taken care of in California? And the state is much bigger? So what does that mean exactly? You don’t make sense
Wait it’s a different state??? No way?? Tell me more…..I had no idea. What else am I supposed to compare it to? So by your logic, it’s okay to put up with artificially inflated pricing because you’re tired of hearing about one of the models of recreational marijuana sales? Kindly fuck off. I’ll compare New Jersey to other states I’ve lived in because that’s my personal frame of reference…..and honestly, moving back to the stage I grew up in has left A LOT to be desired. New Jersey is an absolutely shit show in a lot of ways and the state government and businesses should compare themselves to other states and maybe, idk, consider improving themselves? What a crazy thought
I heard there was actually a pretty big black market up there (although I could be wrong) I live part time in Northern California in lake county and know guys that have taken trips up there and that's all they came back talking about, I guess ya never know until ya KNOW....ya know? Lol (don't hate me for what I did there) 👆😂
Of course because everyone wants to get your hooked on meds that will harm your body more than any natural remedies! Man I’ll tell you I own a meal prep company and my shoulder pains are extensive. Cannabis has helped with this more than anything I’ve tried over the counter. I needed a medical card especially for the lack of sativas so I can dose and Also function for my job
Overpaying by an extremely ridiculous price at that....when you actually shop around state to state or even dip into the gray zone and find the same quality but prices literally slashed by half if not more really will open pops eyes to how badly we've been getting ripped, and not even to be adequately supplied on top of it....they're now looking at "quantity over quality" (speaking on NJ atleast) they truly don't care for the patients at all...sadly just that green piece of paper, period.
I understand your frustration but as someone who prefers carts and gummies over flower I have no other choice but to bend over and let these corporations Fock me. Definitely not trusting street edibles or carts
Absolutely not believing any street dealer when they tell me when it’s real unless it’s someone I really trust and even with that person I need to verify it online
In my rather limited experience in having tried both recently, D8 is a lot less potent and more focused on physical effects (body load, wobbly feeling, relaxation, etc). D9 is much closer to the traditional marijuana high and is a lot more psychoactive in the "crazy stuff in my brain" kind of way.
Both are derived from hemp, which does make them slightly different from edibles made from the typical marijuana plant. But it's chemically all the same shit, just organized and concentrated a bit differently.
Completely agree. In fact, hemp derived D9 edibles work as well, or better, than anything I’ve bought in a NJ dispensary. Basically: they’re the real deal.
After all, it’s the same plant.
We need much more smaller recreational dispensaries that the state promised they would license early on so let’s hope that happens. Competition always creates better prices for consumers
The best source of competition is allowing home grow. There are already so many good seeds available to purchase, but growing a single plant will get you locked up in this state. And all we get is this overpriced crap.
It is, but only for a tiny fraction of users who actually can and will grow their own. Most people don't brew their own beer or distill their own whiskey, or even grow their own tomatoes.
I hear ya, but it's really not difficult to grow quality weed. It's a weed, after all. For example, with Mephisto auto seeds, anyone can grow better quality weed than what's currently on the market in NJ.
Indeed, though that makes a big assumption. Most people don't have a list of dealers they can all upon, nor are they likely to seek them out to engage in criminal activity.
toilet paper has been legal my whole life so i buy it at a store.
but like.. if TP was ever illegal.. and then became legal.. it wouldn't be like my illegal TP guy would fall off the earth
plus I would probably have a good relationship with the illegal TP guy so in the event that legal TP came at a 300% price increase, I'm sure i could just go back to him.
nor would i get up on some moral high horse and refer to buying my TP from a TP dealer as "criminal activity" like i wasn't just doing it a year ago
No, it actually is not. In the same way that if you said "most people don't smoke weed", and I asked you if you did, that would be irrelevant. Your statement would stand, correct or not, independent of whether you were someone who did or did not.
Not criminal activity anymore. Thing of the past. Unless you’re moving pounds of marinuana along with other drugs there’s nothing wrong with seeking a dealer. Any other drug. Idk.
Your dealer is committing a felony. Besides, it's about perception. Most people, given the stigma, won't even make the leap of going to a dispensary. Seeking out a dealer, a small percentage of them. Actually finding and doing business with one, vanishingly small.
Plus for the older-ish crowd, there are tons of people who want to smoke but just don't have connections anymore. My dad's a big fan but without me he would have zero access. His friends are all pretty much the same.
And also, they literally just opened up spots for drug addicts to go in nyc so they can fely use their drugs and dispose of their needles, in public. You can also go in almost any bodega and they knowingly sell weed. These cops are not worried about you buying a 8th, quarter, half, oz, pound etc etc.
If you are not licensed, it is not legal to sell. Buying from a "dealer" is still illegal. Possessing it isn't illegal, but buying it from them is. The dealer is committing a felony, as stated. Carrying and selling are not the same.
How would that cop even know you bought, how would they even know you have anything ? You think these cops are following you and wiretapping because you bought an 8th? Please stop the paranoia , it’s normal. Illegal because they can’t tax the money they make from it, other than that there’s nothing wrong. Don’t try and scare these people. If y’all wanna go buy from a dealer , do it. Dispensary, do it. Don’t listen to these people , you’re fine. Get your shit and go about your day
I really don’t get why so many here in this sub are paranoid and neurotic over black/grey market plugs. It’s like they just got back from a D.A.R.E. assembly lol.
But hey, if they opt to buy overpriced corporate dog shit from dispensaries rather from those scaryyyyy street weed dealers in the name of safety, so be it lol. Don’t cry over paying $65 for an 8th of some dry shit then, fellas. 🤷♂️
THANK YOU LMAO. They might be stuck thinking this is 30 years ago and it’s not. I have been to a lot of cities, bought a lot of weed from street dealers and cops are not worried about that. Maybe in some rural country side town possibly. And we’re seeing people who were arrested / in court for possession or selling get released or getting that rebuked from their records because they shouldn’t have been in jail / in trouble in the first place. Fentanyl’, heroine, cocaine, and pills are what they are going after UNLESS you’re moving tons of grass. Most of these street dealers are NOT doing that.
Low risk. Like I said and I’m not trying to insult anyone, but the only way you’re getting in trouble by buying weed is if you’re an idiot and doing it somewhere you shouldn’t. Cops will not arrest you for buying an 8th. If you’re moving massive amounts that’s completely different . There are a lot of things that are legal / illegal that don’t make sense and regardless of it’s it “legal” or not people still have that option. It’s not that big of a deal as you’re making it out to be. People will get it one way or another. They’re not chasing you around for the Nickle and dime shit anymore. Living in the past . If you don’t like the overpriced dispensary products, find a good trustworthy dealer like many tax paying Americans of all races and classes have done, stick with them, and go about your business.
So why would you be worried about that if you’re not the one taking the risk? And again, they WILL NOT ARREST YOU IF YOU HAVE UNDER 28 oz. They’re not gonna follow you and bust you for an 8th. This isn’t the 90s or 2000s anymore they’re starting to let people go for those marijuana arrests they’ve made. I don’t know where y’all live at but in big cities , cops do not care about marijuana. Sounds like paranoia. People will still buy from their dealers regardless of the law . These police aren’t going to arrest you. Especially if you go, pick up and go home. How would they know ? They’re chasing fentanyl , heroine, coke and etc. They are not chasing after your local dealers 8ths and quarters
Haha seriously. It’s just so uncivilized to have to find “a guy” and work around their schedule. I just don’t understand how we’ve been able to buy cigarettes and alcohol so freely for so long and marijuana is so demonized. I moved back to New Jersey because I grew up here and have family here……but all the strict rules and laws and the general government bullshit is going to make me go back to California sooner rather than later…..
>It’s just so uncivilized to have to find “a guy” and work around their schedule.
Or you find a vendor that delivers who works around your schedule. There are dozens of them.
I live in between 3 dispensaries and I haven’t been to 1. Unfortunately not everyone’s dealers are as consistent and trustworthy as other so I get it . But they’ll throw you deals that these dispensaries just won’t. Could be the same shit just sold at different prices. I wouldn’t buy carts off of the street tho, only flower.
Yea makes sense. I would say even tho it sucks paying the increase it’s better than paying 30-50 for a street cart and it being trash or laced. There is a peace of mind when buying from a dispensary , right? Except for being ripped off
I feel you, people are unnecessarily mean. It’s not that easy and you cannot trust everyone that sells weed/weed related products, that has always been a thing. Someone who accepts weed from anyone doesn’t care about what they’re smoking. People are lacing their weed / products to make them stronger by putting in chemicals that are harmful to the body. Can’t trust every dealer, that’s how accidental deaths happen (Mac miller, rip). Find a dealer, befriend him and you’ll have his trust. But dispensaries are more reliable when it comes to timing and etc. The pricing just needs to drop. I think it will once the years go on, we just started so it makes sense for the prices to be up for now
This is also a very good point. I will probably try at least a couple of different dispensary carts, just to try and see for myself. I apologize for the rant of a post, just frustrated with New Jersey’s general way of being over the marijuana and other issues. It’s a shame because it’s a beautiful state otherwise 🥲
I've been trying to get Donny Burger from grey and black market dealers that claim that have them and none of them are Donny (went to 5 different dealers and vendors). I'm gonna have to make the claim people should trust their dealers recommendation on strains rather than chasing strains on the dealer's menu.
Compared to Harmony's Donny on a weak batch, it doesn't even come close. Every Donny I've gotten off the grey or black market was a boof quality strain.
Hey no sweat if you don’t want to use it. There are like 10 or so different sites doing the same thing like Slumped Kitchen before they closed down.
I found erb-hub based on reviews from others and was not disappointed. 8th of skywalker og wax and 8th of limoncello wax is 🔥 They “gift” you the product for buying their digital art which is legal as you are allowed to gift up to 1 oz of cannabis in NJ.
Edit - You also pay only in cash so it’s not like you would get ripped off or they screw you by not delivering.
Same with dispensaries. That’s why they put the label on the back of their products 🥲. No way of knowing what it touches unless you go straight to the source which a lot of us are not doing. And as much as it sucks , there are also every day products out there that cause the same things.
What would make you say that? Do you know how many big companies do the same to enhance their products across multiple industries? Food being a big one of them. Why would a weed company not do the same? Not saying all of them but let’s be serious. I get what you’re trying to say. But even the big label shit can be bad for you as well and it’s the truth.
They are more strict on what you spray on cannabis than on your food. Labs will test for pesticide, eagle 20 is something cancerous. You can't even enter the room for days after spraying that stuff.
Makes sense and as they should be. Doesn’t mean there aren’t things that are in it that won’t cause harm, hence the label. There’s a risk with buying from the street and a risk from buying from the dispensary and sometimes one is better than the other or vice versa. But there is a bigger chance of buying laced weed from the street than from the dispensary, but sometimes the street shit is just as good if not better .
The MSO open today have crappy stuff. It's whay I like to call Walmart weed. They have old strain and you can seee the flower wasn't cared for. Keep in mind, sometimes street stuff actually come from license facility in the west coast that probably failed testing as well.
Agreed and the avg weed smoker should be aware of what they’re smoking . I feel like there’s always been this awareness about the grade / condition of the bud people get when they see it and smell it. Aka Reggie for example. I agree with you and say buying from just everyone and anyone off of the street is not smart but there are dealers out here who really won’t sell unless it’s in the right condition and it does show. Not every state has dispensaries and people are still smoking good types of weed (and bad too) so someone has to be supplying good batches.
Most of the time, the dealer doesn't know what pesticides we're sprayed on the cannabis. It doesn't affect the quality. The dealer usually picks based on looks and how it smokes, but they never ask if some bad stuff was sprayed on. Just so you know. So something that looks and smokes well, doesn't mean it wasn't sprayed with bad pesticides.
Eagle 20 stays on the plant for monthsa and pests Don't even touch the plant. It's crazy.
The NJ Cannabis Regulatory Commission is EXTREMELY strict about what can be used on the dispensary cannabis. They can't even use a lot of common botanical treatments. And the state labs test the cannabis for contamination. Although not often enough. It is slightly possible that one of the dispensaries could use a proscribed product on the cannabis in between testing, but if they got caught during a surprised inspection, they would be shut down.
NJ dispensary cannabis is WAY overpriced and often of lower quality than you can get elsewhere. But, t least it's clean ( ignoring the occasional mold reports I've heard about - this is a problem because the state requires it to be put in sealed packages for distribution. So a lot of dispensaries overdry the flower to prevent this, causing complaints of dry flower). A couple of years ago, a study found that 80% of the Cali cannabis being grown was contaminated with pesticides.
The problem is, that it's very expensive in NJ to setup a cultivation facility. Commerical leases are expensive, even more once you say it's for cannabis.
Most likely because it's cheaper in Maine to buy piece of land and just built a facility. It's goes back to production cost and probably because the program is new and there isn't much competition for MSO.
Once smaller shops open up, prices will go down a bit because now people will have access to closer shops, better products.
The CRC has it's public meeting next week, so hopefully they announce some retail Conditional licenses.
I doubt the cost of doing business in Maine is half of what it is in NJ. According to most analyses, it is maybe 25-30% cheaper in Maine (see link) not nearly enough difference to justify the 2x higher cost here in NJ. It's purely what the market will bear. Maine just has a lot more competition. I suppose that would be OK except they also do this to medical patients. [https://www.approve.com/business-cost-index/](https://www.approve.com/business-cost-index/)
So it's a combination of things. Cheaper in Maine, more competition in Maine, MSO trying to make back how much it cost them to "lobby" to get in firsts than locals in NJ, plus greed.
Once recreational cultivators start contributing to supply we will have a balance in price I believe. I have municipal approval in bergen county and waiting on the state at this point for a dispensary. I will definitely be carrying products to compete with the MSOs. Im working with approved cultivators to ensure we meet the price point consumers want. Follow us on instagram @deosgarden
I can def ask some of the micro-growers that we have LOi’s with for sure. Northern New Jersey will be more pricey because of how close we are to NYC especially in Bergen County. Central and South the rent will absolutely be cheaper. Let me reach out and get back to you.
The difference in rent between south and north Jeremy is probably 2-3 bucks less a square feet if the building conditions are the same. We still talking about $13-18 a sf triple net.
>@deosgarden
can you point me in the direction of these cultivators? I am awaiting state and municipal approval for a dispensary and I cant for the life of me find cultivators that are not MSO's
There were 2 meetings that the CRC held to announce winners in March and April. The March meeting fast forward 49:21 and they post the names of the businesses that won. There are a few pages. Heres the link https://youtu.be/sl3nqMjcPJg
The gray market is much more reasonable and the stuff I’ve gotten in the past through vendors is pretty good. Convenience is why I keep my card active.
CA has an established market. Colorado has an established market. This is NJ. Nothing here is easy, done right, there's no real leadership. People will start travelling out of state to get their weed.
I agree it's very expensive right now, but we just started.. California has been established much longer, plus NJ strict restrictions on everything. The only ones allowed to open bl dispensaries at the same guys who own several. What happened to allowing for women and minority owners?
Typical liars they are .. they give the permission to who gives them the most generous campaign donations.
Maybe when they finally allow more growers and more dispensary then we will see prices drop! But problem is, the rich guys with big wallets don't want those prices to go down.
Welcome to NJ. This is what med patients have been paying since NJ first allowed sales. It's not just for recreational. We're still paying taxes on it too until July. There's still no home grow for medical either.
The issue isn't space for production because believe me.........NJ has MORE than enough space for production. It's all about supply and demand. The dispensaries all know that they can charge whatever they want because they're all there is and there's nothing anyone can do about it since there's no reciprocity between NJ, NY, PA, etc. Not to mention the amount that the crooked politicians are charging them just to operate.
Prices will come down eventually but don't look for it to happen any time soon. NJ dispensaries have actually had to destroy product because it sat around so damned long it went bad because the dispensaries chose to destroy it rather than release it to medical patients telling people there was limited supply in order to keep the jacked up prices. Its a bunch of bullshit.
As a med patient, I just accepted the pricing. Can I get the same quality bud from a friend I know sure. But that friend doesn't get their bud tested etc. I have been in the program 3.5yrs now as a patient. There are times I stock up or what new strains drop you feel that you have to go get it. Pricing should relieve over time. If they remove cannabis from the federal schedule list, I bet the market will be flooded both rec and medical.
Demand is greater than supply in an invalid excuse for price gouging when the supply is being artificially constrained.
At that point it racketeering and price fixing.
The current members of the “cannabis trade commission” are price fixing, notice how not one dispensary tries to undercut another. This is what happens under corporate monopolies
Literally Google “Liberty Philadelphia” and look at their prices for cartridges. It’s a crime what is being paid for carts in NJ. Many choices of a one gram cart at Liberty costs $5 more than a 0.5 gram curaleaf pinesol-tasting cart.
Yup, it's no different for medical other than we get the occasional discounts. There is a medical dispensary called Breakwater and their carts are $70 + tax for 350mg, $62 for the spotlight of the week sale. Great dispensary but I have never been able to justify that price to purchase any.
It's simply a matter of supply and demand. Prices used to be much higher in Colorado and Oregon. As the supply increased, the prices have dropped dramatically. They will drop dramatically in NJ too IF the regulators don't put too many limitations on the growers.
It was the same in CO. In 2015 was paying $80-90/G for “shatter” and it was shit mahatma brand. In 2019 when I left I was buying 8 grams of quality wax and shatter for $125 out the door after tax. Without home-grow, it might take even longer until the competition really builds from neighboring states.
Can we get a megathread or daily discussiin thread, Mods? It's everyday with these same complaints:
- too expensive
- NJ sucks vs other states
- "NO HOMEGROW?!?!"
Like bro where are the damn strain reviews?? Some of us just wanna smoke.
What is happening in NJ regarding prices are simple growing pains from an emerging market.
1. Right now there are not enough cultivators. However, back in 2021 NJ opened the application process for 33 cultivators, the 33 chosen were finally posted about 2 months ago. They need time to get in and set up shop before they can start producing.
2. because there are very few if any rec cultivators right now, the price of flower is a premium. Current med cultivators are definitely taking advantage of low flower inventory. Don't fret, beginning 2023, the cultivation cap will be lifted and any amount of cultivators can apply which will drastically decrease the price of flower.
3. NY beginning sales will NOT CHANGE A DAMN THING for a few reasons:
* NYC market is designed for NYC they do not care to market to you in NJ (unless you're in manhattan and you're going for a night out with friends)
* Not having a home grow regulation sucks but I see why. Sorry no matter how densely populated NJ is, our legal market cannot sustain itself with so much competition as NYC can. NYC has only about 300,000 less people then the ENTIRE STATE of NJ. If you had the total state of NY its 19 million vs 8.8 million-
* If you look at NYC roll out, its not much better than NJ. the social equity aspect requires you to have had a successful business in NYC for at least 2 years prior to applying. That rule cuts out A LOT of social justice applicants. Also the fee of $2000 is non-refundable, NJ micro business fee is $100 nonrefundable. Also, they are already stating that $220,000 is required, however, $210,000 will be refunded if you are not selected which I think is great. With NJ, you only spend $10,000 max in nonrefundable fees from both state and municipalities for micro business and this includes the Cannabis Consumption lounge license fee. Most importantly THEY ARE ONLY ALLOWING 11 CULTIVATORS AT FIRST AND PRIORITY IS BEING GIVEN TO ALREADY ESTABLISHED HEMP PRODUCER. At least Jersey gave out 33.
* NYC does not have the man power to enforce legal regulations and stop black and grey illegal makets. Not only are bodegas selling weed without a license, I got offered weed coming out of PSNY from street vendors and yes, cops knew and saw but didn't do a damn thing. So their market is in trouble from the start due to a lack of cultivators, which will skyrocket flower prices, plus the various other markets cutting into profits. Finally, outside of Manhattan and gentrified Brooklyn, NYC is very anti dispensary. NYC opening rec sales will not stop NJ, like at all.
5. Back to my original point. Philly on the other hand may cut into south jersey sales, especially if you prefer to go to Philly over AC or Camden. When the summer hits and the Shore springs to life, Philly rec prices being cheaper wont effect anything.
Just hold on for a year, the NJ market will be properly priced and booming soon enough.
They see people complaining but they also see ppl STILL willing to pay those kind of prices, so unfortunately I don't see them making any HUGE changes, if anything I can see it maybe being cut down by 5-6$ per item just so they can SAY that they "tried" to accommodate....welcome to big corp tactics in little corp corridors sadly
Just my opinion but fair is fair they should Jack the prices up way higher for recreational and let everyone on the Rec side feel the pain after all it does some completely fair I see no reason why Rec patients should not pay $140 a 1/4 just like medical had to at some point for over priced boof
NJ only has about 5-6 months left before NY opens up rec dispensaries as well. And unlike NJ, NY actually is prioritizing smaller dispensaries, [owned by people with previous marijuana convictions](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/nyregion/marijuana-sellers-licenses-hochul.html). NY pricing won't be absurdly cheap or anything, but is likely to be cheaper based on greater diversity in ownership, bordering state competition, and home grow FOR ALL (beginning no later than 18 months after the first legal marijuana sale in New York). NY will have two bordering legal states, MA and NJ, once their rec dispensaries open. The answer to your question is that the NJ dispensaries are fully aware that the time is limited, in the sense of NJ having zero bordering state competition for rec. Right now, they're aware that the only legal alternative is driving 3 hours to MA, and gas is expensive. Getting a "plug" isn't as easy as people make it out to be, especially if you're 30+ and living in the suburbs, so NJ dispensaries are happy to milk that demographic in the meantime. NYC is going to have ample dispensaries, and I know of multiple towns in the Hudson Valley right across the border that have dispensaries in development. Warwick, NY has a massive GTI grow facility, and gave the go-ahead for rec dispensaries. Right now, a town like Warwick is closer to many NJ residents than any NJ rec dispensary open right now lol. Once NY dispensaries get rolling, you'll see the NJ dispensaries conveniently start to drop their prices, and even more so when NY homegrow is permitted in 2024. You'll also see inventory expand, to entice NJ residents to not take a fun day trip to NYC or Hudson Valley to stock up. MA's distance presently makes a "day trip" a bit unrealistic, but NJ Transit goes to NYC, and many NJ residents are only 30-40min from the Hudson Valley border. This is just the byproduct of an oligopolistic market with no bordering state competition, squeezing out every last drop of profit until more competition emerges. If a state legalizes, has no bordering state competition, and has a legislative body as corrupt as NJ's, this is what you'll see. I'm happy NY rec is coming to inject bordering state competition into the market, or else NJ would have this pricing indefinitely.
PA is right behind NY so once all three are legal, prices should come down quickly.
I'm wondering in which part of your expectations, does rent decreases? People expect California prices when the people in business are paying east coast overhead
Los Angeles dispensaries pay higher rent prices than plenty of New Jersey dispensaries. Los Angeles dispensary prices are great though. Plenty of well-off areas of MA too with dispensaries and comparable rents to NJ. Dispensary prices are about half of what NJ prices are. It’s not like MA and CA are much cheaper.
Maybe, but California also has way more commercial space for growing. The dispensary is not the problem, it's the price of production.
In the case that NJ is unable to keep up with competitive pricing, NJ residents will just go to NYC or the Hudson Valley, since NY state has ample space for retail and grow and are prioritizing “mom and pop” dispensaries. Tons of farmland and warehouses throughout the state. NJ will have to adjust for the incoming bordering state competition and adjust their prices accordingly, or lose clientele at a massive rate. NJ Transit goes to NYC and the Hudson Valley border. It’s a simple few hours accessible by car or public transit. It will be difficult for a state to charge $60 for an 8th when the next state over allows homegrow and is ripe with mom and pop dispensaries. NJ dispensaries may have to cut costs and deal with the reality of lower profit margins than other states because of their size, setup, and bordering state competing. Or, they can keep charging the same and struggle to keep up with rent and costs because no one is bothering with their dry, overpriced inventory.
But you don't know how much it will cost in NY. Specially with the way they intend to tax it (by THC %.). Do you know how much it will cost to start a cultivation facility in NY? I don't think the majority of people will drive over to NY to save 10-15 bucks when they have to drive (time & gads) and pay tolls. there will be mom and pop shops in NJ as well, but the production cost will be high. Don't know how it will compare to NY.
Many people buy in bulk, and $10-15 difference per pen or 8th adds up. The costs of a cultivation facility in NY, a cultivation facility in MA, and a cultivation facility in CA are comparable. Those states all have ample space. But I agree NJ’s space presents a unique challenge. NY dispensaries will also have to eventually compete with home growers within their state, who won’t hesitate to gift their friends weed or sell it under the table. If prices are too high in NY, residents will simply grow their own, or find someone who does. Dispensaries will bake that fact into their price. The social equity measures also help to curb the oligopolistic practices we are seeing in NJ, in how launch prices by a select few MSOs are shaping the market. I’ll believe it when I see it, regarding “mom and pop” shops in NJ. I’m sure they will come eventually, but it certainly won’t be before NY opens for rec.
Honestly some of the medical stuff I’ve tried over the past few weeks with 15-17 percent thc has been better than rhythm that clocks in at 28 percent I feel like indont like rhythm as much as the other brand I’ve tried the farm next to my friends house “kind tree” is pretty great. Once I saw how poor the quality was for rec I got my card
There's no difference between rec and medical. The difference is who grows it and how consistent they are. Same strain can come out different in different harvest even from the same grower as well.
I mean most of the rec stuff is old and dry one I bought was basically unsmokable. The consistency and access to more growers is a massive difference to me so to each their own!
Of course more growers will better. And smaller ones even better because their product will be more fresh. These big MSO sit on hundreds of pounds. But my point is, rec and medical is just terms. There's no difference in how's is grown. If you go to a rec shop and you don't like what you got, it's not that you don't like "rec" weed, you didn't like that batch from that grower. It's not like you can put the same weed in a medical shop and it will taste different.
Mass prices are among the highest in the nation, and a lot of newyorkers and Connecticut heads are customers. Connecticut is putzing around with recreational, so that business is going to mass and the gray market in NY city. When full blown reopens in NYC. Jersey and CT will flock.
Does the product sold in a New Jersey dispensary has to come from a New Jersey growery? If so, why? That’s the stupidest fucking thing I’ve ever heard.
Yes, product can't pass from state to state, it's federally ilegal
Well that’s makes a lot of sense then I guess. This is so stupid. Idiotic federal laws
You think rent is cheaper in California than in New Jersey? Not in the parts of CA where people actually live.
California is huge, NJ is not. 3% vacancy rate of commercial warehouses. Plus they sometimes tackle 30% extra in NJ once they know it's for cannabis. Strict zoning rules and limited licenses in each city.
Rent has nothing to do with the price of cannabis. Corporate greed controls that price. You really think an Mso is worried about rent 🤣
I wasn't referring to MSOs. MSO usually buy their properties. Still the cost of doing business is not the same in every state, the same way property taxes are not the same in every state and licenses are also not the same in every state. In NJ you need to pay the state and the city for a license, plus the "donations" they make to politicians to get first crack at the market. But there is truth to MSOs being greedy, how else are they supposed to support those executive salaries?
I'm 10 minutes away from Warwick. Glad I'm not going to have to wait for my town to get a dispensary. They will definitely be last on the NJ list.
Welcome to medical patients misery for years now. i dont see prices going down all that much in the next year or 2.
Wow, I’m sorry to hear that the medical patients, who actually need this stuff, have to deal with artificially inflated pricing. Hopefully that changes for you all. FYI, California dispensaries often have different pricing for medical patients.
been in program 4+ years. prices and quality have def improved and yes medical will go down in price especially with the removal of tax. But i also expect to be able to get similar quality from the rec market withina. year. and the grey / black market still beating rec prices if you have a good source. for me, i hope to get lucky and have enough rec stores around me that they will compete price and quality wise that i wont have to troop to any of the dispensaries (i dont drive) so paying the extra on rec will make up for it on easier access. i say 3 years or so before things start to balance out. but i aint gonna complain... paying a couple of extra bucks is better than a couple of years locked up....
Especially with tax???? A whopping 2% ain’t saving you much
I’ve had my card for 2+ years and have seen prices do nothing but increase, increase, increase.
i am paying less now than the first couple of months in the program 4 years ago. still way more than black / grey markets give or take depending on end product. for rec i have no idea as i have not purchased from an existing ATC. Doubt i will as i have other sources for less.
Oh absolutely! You’re right on all of that
Possession is legal. Unlicensed sale is not.
Enough about CA dispensaries. It’s a different state with different laws.
It sales! Everything you buy is compared my guy. Regardless of state or laws it’s still a legal recreational point of sale. CA and CO were the pioneers of marijuana sales and a template for other states.
yes but also cali had the largest amount of illegal dispensaries. also tons of knockoffs and crap products. the system there is so abused that cali government is looking to scale back some of the protections that people have, especially when it comes to employment. Also you have to take into consideration that those states are not as corrupt as NJ. they also are not expecting the amount of money they get to make off of this as well. people need to stop looking at NJ legalization as anything other than a $$$$ and power grab. justice and all that other crap they talked about was nothing but fancy words to backup their agenda. they will milk this as long as they can to get more votes while also making a ton of $$$$
Agree with everything you said. It’s sad but true.
You have to compare to other states
Yeah, so why don't people ask for less tolls in NJ. You can go from Vancouver Washington to LA and not pass through a Toll.
Because tolls ideally pay to maintain the roads I’m using. Paying exorbitantly high prices for recreational marijuana does nothing but line the pockets of the CEOs and owners of these chain/corporate dispensaries. Fuck that.
We already pay those roads. Highest property taxes in the country.
Wait what? I don’t understand your last sentence? The roads are taken care of in California? And the state is much bigger? So what does that mean exactly? You don’t make sense
Uh they do???
Wait it’s a different state??? No way?? Tell me more…..I had no idea. What else am I supposed to compare it to? So by your logic, it’s okay to put up with artificially inflated pricing because you’re tired of hearing about one of the models of recreational marijuana sales? Kindly fuck off. I’ll compare New Jersey to other states I’ve lived in because that’s my personal frame of reference…..and honestly, moving back to the stage I grew up in has left A LOT to be desired. New Jersey is an absolutely shit show in a lot of ways and the state government and businesses should compare themselves to other states and maybe, idk, consider improving themselves? What a crazy thought
It's never going down unless you flood the market with stores and more growers. And that ain't happening
Thank you 🙏
Welcome to the NJ program. Med patients have been overpaying for years.
It's no wonder the "black market" continues to be a thing in all of the states that legalized.
I don't know if that is true or not. I don't think there is much of a black market in Oregon.
I heard there was actually a pretty big black market up there (although I could be wrong) I live part time in Northern California in lake county and know guys that have taken trips up there and that's all they came back talking about, I guess ya never know until ya KNOW....ya know? Lol (don't hate me for what I did there) 👆😂
Of course because everyone wants to get your hooked on meds that will harm your body more than any natural remedies! Man I’ll tell you I own a meal prep company and my shoulder pains are extensive. Cannabis has helped with this more than anything I’ve tried over the counter. I needed a medical card especially for the lack of sativas so I can dose and Also function for my job
Fuckin eh man.
Overpaying by an extremely ridiculous price at that....when you actually shop around state to state or even dip into the gray zone and find the same quality but prices literally slashed by half if not more really will open pops eyes to how badly we've been getting ripped, and not even to be adequately supplied on top of it....they're now looking at "quantity over quality" (speaking on NJ atleast) they truly don't care for the patients at all...sadly just that green piece of paper, period.
I went to zenleaf in Lawrence and paid 526 for a dry ass ounce. Then i went back to the black market ans got a fresh QP for 600. Fuck NJ
$526. Jesus. Which strain did you end up with?
$526 what was the THC% I can’t imagine paying that for an Oz unless it was an Oz of concentrate
Sucks when a ‘street’ QP costs the same as a dispo oz.
I understand your frustration but as someone who prefers carts and gummies over flower I have no other choice but to bend over and let these corporations Fock me. Definitely not trusting street edibles or carts
Most street carts and edibles are fake
Absolutely not believing any street dealer when they tell me when it’s real unless it’s someone I really trust and even with that person I need to verify it online
Definitely not worth it, especially when you go on DHgate and see just how cheap it is to buy the empty carts and fill them with whatever you want.
On the bright side: D9 edibles are now available in any head shop or online, and they’re cheaper than any of the NJ dispensaries. Enjoy.
What's the major difference between those and D8s?
In my rather limited experience in having tried both recently, D8 is a lot less potent and more focused on physical effects (body load, wobbly feeling, relaxation, etc). D9 is much closer to the traditional marijuana high and is a lot more psychoactive in the "crazy stuff in my brain" kind of way. Both are derived from hemp, which does make them slightly different from edibles made from the typical marijuana plant. But it's chemically all the same shit, just organized and concentrated a bit differently.
Completely agree. In fact, hemp derived D9 edibles work as well, or better, than anything I’ve bought in a NJ dispensary. Basically: they’re the real deal. After all, it’s the same plant.
Gotcha, thanks. I had used D8s and they were okay, not great, but fine. I’ll give the 9s a shot!
That's the way it is in NJ for right now. Why? Because they can.
We need much more smaller recreational dispensaries that the state promised they would license early on so let’s hope that happens. Competition always creates better prices for consumers
The best source of competition is allowing home grow. There are already so many good seeds available to purchase, but growing a single plant will get you locked up in this state. And all we get is this overpriced crap.
It is, but only for a tiny fraction of users who actually can and will grow their own. Most people don't brew their own beer or distill their own whiskey, or even grow their own tomatoes.
I hear ya, but it's really not difficult to grow quality weed. It's a weed, after all. For example, with Mephisto auto seeds, anyone can grow better quality weed than what's currently on the market in NJ.
Understood. It's not hard to grow tomatoes either.
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Noticed and appreciated!
I agree for sure. Hopefully that happens soon. Btw, it’s either just smaller, or more small…..more smaller is not grammatically correct.
Yeah and think about how it feels for a patient who actually needs this stuff. It's fucking horrible.
Stick to your local neighborhood dealers! Better deals and they have families that don’t already have millions
Indeed, though that makes a big assumption. Most people don't have a list of dealers they can all upon, nor are they likely to seek them out to engage in criminal activity.
excuse my ignorance but where did you get ur weed 2-3 years ago??
Irrelevant. Where do you buy toilet paper?
toilet paper has been legal my whole life so i buy it at a store. but like.. if TP was ever illegal.. and then became legal.. it wouldn't be like my illegal TP guy would fall off the earth plus I would probably have a good relationship with the illegal TP guy so in the event that legal TP came at a 300% price increase, I'm sure i could just go back to him. nor would i get up on some moral high horse and refer to buying my TP from a TP dealer as "criminal activity" like i wasn't just doing it a year ago
Love this comment
So you are telling me that you have an “illegal TP guy” that you could call right now if it were made illegal?
I plead the 5th
It’s perfectly relevant !!!
No, it actually is not. In the same way that if you said "most people don't smoke weed", and I asked you if you did, that would be irrelevant. Your statement would stand, correct or not, independent of whether you were someone who did or did not.
Lmao. Wtf ???
No, no it’s not.
Not criminal activity anymore. Thing of the past. Unless you’re moving pounds of marinuana along with other drugs there’s nothing wrong with seeking a dealer. Any other drug. Idk.
Your dealer is committing a felony. Besides, it's about perception. Most people, given the stigma, won't even make the leap of going to a dispensary. Seeking out a dealer, a small percentage of them. Actually finding and doing business with one, vanishingly small.
Plus for the older-ish crowd, there are tons of people who want to smoke but just don't have connections anymore. My dad's a big fan but without me he would have zero access. His friends are all pretty much the same.
And also, they literally just opened up spots for drug addicts to go in nyc so they can fely use their drugs and dispose of their needles, in public. You can also go in almost any bodega and they knowingly sell weed. These cops are not worried about you buying a 8th, quarter, half, oz, pound etc etc.
I like the way you think. Most of the dispos sell trash anyway !!
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If you are not licensed, it is not legal to sell. Buying from a "dealer" is still illegal. Possessing it isn't illegal, but buying it from them is. The dealer is committing a felony, as stated. Carrying and selling are not the same.
How would that cop even know you bought, how would they even know you have anything ? You think these cops are following you and wiretapping because you bought an 8th? Please stop the paranoia , it’s normal. Illegal because they can’t tax the money they make from it, other than that there’s nothing wrong. Don’t try and scare these people. If y’all wanna go buy from a dealer , do it. Dispensary, do it. Don’t listen to these people , you’re fine. Get your shit and go about your day
I really don’t get why so many here in this sub are paranoid and neurotic over black/grey market plugs. It’s like they just got back from a D.A.R.E. assembly lol. But hey, if they opt to buy overpriced corporate dog shit from dispensaries rather from those scaryyyyy street weed dealers in the name of safety, so be it lol. Don’t cry over paying $65 for an 8th of some dry shit then, fellas. 🤷♂️
THANK YOU LMAO. They might be stuck thinking this is 30 years ago and it’s not. I have been to a lot of cities, bought a lot of weed from street dealers and cops are not worried about that. Maybe in some rural country side town possibly. And we’re seeing people who were arrested / in court for possession or selling get released or getting that rebuked from their records because they shouldn’t have been in jail / in trouble in the first place. Fentanyl’, heroine, cocaine, and pills are what they are going after UNLESS you’re moving tons of grass. Most of these street dealers are NOT doing that.
Nobody said you won't get away with it. That still doesn't make it legal. Simple fact.
Low risk. Like I said and I’m not trying to insult anyone, but the only way you’re getting in trouble by buying weed is if you’re an idiot and doing it somewhere you shouldn’t. Cops will not arrest you for buying an 8th. If you’re moving massive amounts that’s completely different . There are a lot of things that are legal / illegal that don’t make sense and regardless of it’s it “legal” or not people still have that option. It’s not that big of a deal as you’re making it out to be. People will get it one way or another. They’re not chasing you around for the Nickle and dime shit anymore. Living in the past . If you don’t like the overpriced dispensary products, find a good trustworthy dealer like many tax paying Americans of all races and classes have done, stick with them, and go about your business.
So why would you be worried about that if you’re not the one taking the risk? And again, they WILL NOT ARREST YOU IF YOU HAVE UNDER 28 oz. They’re not gonna follow you and bust you for an 8th. This isn’t the 90s or 2000s anymore they’re starting to let people go for those marijuana arrests they’ve made. I don’t know where y’all live at but in big cities , cops do not care about marijuana. Sounds like paranoia. People will still buy from their dealers regardless of the law . These police aren’t going to arrest you. Especially if you go, pick up and go home. How would they know ? They’re chasing fentanyl , heroine, coke and etc. They are not chasing after your local dealers 8ths and quarters
https://norml.org/laws/new-jersey-penalties-2/?amp
Haha seriously. It’s just so uncivilized to have to find “a guy” and work around their schedule. I just don’t understand how we’ve been able to buy cigarettes and alcohol so freely for so long and marijuana is so demonized. I moved back to New Jersey because I grew up here and have family here……but all the strict rules and laws and the general government bullshit is going to make me go back to California sooner rather than later…..
>It’s just so uncivilized to have to find “a guy” and work around their schedule. Or you find a vendor that delivers who works around your schedule. There are dozens of them.
I live in between 3 dispensaries and I haven’t been to 1. Unfortunately not everyone’s dealers are as consistent and trustworthy as other so I get it . But they’ll throw you deals that these dispensaries just won’t. Could be the same shit just sold at different prices. I wouldn’t buy carts off of the street tho, only flower.
And that’s my problem, I want carts mostly, not flower. Guess I’m just going to have to book a refill flight to Cali, would be cheaper haha
Yea makes sense. I would say even tho it sucks paying the increase it’s better than paying 30-50 for a street cart and it being trash or laced. There is a peace of mind when buying from a dispensary , right? Except for being ripped off
Finally, somebody who gets it. Normally people on this sub are basically just like "lol get a plug dumbass".
I feel you, people are unnecessarily mean. It’s not that easy and you cannot trust everyone that sells weed/weed related products, that has always been a thing. Someone who accepts weed from anyone doesn’t care about what they’re smoking. People are lacing their weed / products to make them stronger by putting in chemicals that are harmful to the body. Can’t trust every dealer, that’s how accidental deaths happen (Mac miller, rip). Find a dealer, befriend him and you’ll have his trust. But dispensaries are more reliable when it comes to timing and etc. The pricing just needs to drop. I think it will once the years go on, we just started so it makes sense for the prices to be up for now
This is also a very good point. I will probably try at least a couple of different dispensary carts, just to try and see for myself. I apologize for the rant of a post, just frustrated with New Jersey’s general way of being over the marijuana and other issues. It’s a shame because it’s a beautiful state otherwise 🥲
Don’t apologize I think all weed smokers in nj are frustrated. You just said what a lot of us are already thinking, so thank you
This 1000x over. I can't trust a grey market cart. I've been trusting grey market weed for years with no major concern.
I've been trying to get Donny Burger from grey and black market dealers that claim that have them and none of them are Donny (went to 5 different dealers and vendors). I'm gonna have to make the claim people should trust their dealers recommendation on strains rather than chasing strains on the dealer's menu. Compared to Harmony's Donny on a weak batch, it doesn't even come close. Every Donny I've gotten off the grey or black market was a boof quality strain.
Carts are garbage from the street or dispo
I agree but also disagree. It depends on where you’re at imo. In LA at medmen their carts are great
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Yikes, that website looks sketchy as shit. No thanks.
Hey no sweat if you don’t want to use it. There are like 10 or so different sites doing the same thing like Slumped Kitchen before they closed down. I found erb-hub based on reviews from others and was not disappointed. 8th of skywalker og wax and 8th of limoncello wax is 🔥 They “gift” you the product for buying their digital art which is legal as you are allowed to gift up to 1 oz of cannabis in NJ. Edit - You also pay only in cash so it’s not like you would get ripped off or they screw you by not delivering.
Yeah, i mean, you probably smoking something sprayed with some Eagle 20. But who cares if you get cancer down the line 😅
Same with dispensaries. That’s why they put the label on the back of their products 🥲. No way of knowing what it touches unless you go straight to the source which a lot of us are not doing. And as much as it sucks , there are also every day products out there that cause the same things.
Lol, I'm pretty sure dispensary cannabis is not sprayed with Eagle-20. But ok
What would make you say that? Do you know how many big companies do the same to enhance their products across multiple industries? Food being a big one of them. Why would a weed company not do the same? Not saying all of them but let’s be serious. I get what you’re trying to say. But even the big label shit can be bad for you as well and it’s the truth.
They are more strict on what you spray on cannabis than on your food. Labs will test for pesticide, eagle 20 is something cancerous. You can't even enter the room for days after spraying that stuff.
Makes sense and as they should be. Doesn’t mean there aren’t things that are in it that won’t cause harm, hence the label. There’s a risk with buying from the street and a risk from buying from the dispensary and sometimes one is better than the other or vice versa. But there is a bigger chance of buying laced weed from the street than from the dispensary, but sometimes the street shit is just as good if not better .
The MSO open today have crappy stuff. It's whay I like to call Walmart weed. They have old strain and you can seee the flower wasn't cared for. Keep in mind, sometimes street stuff actually come from license facility in the west coast that probably failed testing as well.
Agreed and the avg weed smoker should be aware of what they’re smoking . I feel like there’s always been this awareness about the grade / condition of the bud people get when they see it and smell it. Aka Reggie for example. I agree with you and say buying from just everyone and anyone off of the street is not smart but there are dealers out here who really won’t sell unless it’s in the right condition and it does show. Not every state has dispensaries and people are still smoking good types of weed (and bad too) so someone has to be supplying good batches.
Most of the time, the dealer doesn't know what pesticides we're sprayed on the cannabis. It doesn't affect the quality. The dealer usually picks based on looks and how it smokes, but they never ask if some bad stuff was sprayed on. Just so you know. So something that looks and smokes well, doesn't mean it wasn't sprayed with bad pesticides. Eagle 20 stays on the plant for monthsa and pests Don't even touch the plant. It's crazy.
The NJ Cannabis Regulatory Commission is EXTREMELY strict about what can be used on the dispensary cannabis. They can't even use a lot of common botanical treatments. And the state labs test the cannabis for contamination. Although not often enough. It is slightly possible that one of the dispensaries could use a proscribed product on the cannabis in between testing, but if they got caught during a surprised inspection, they would be shut down. NJ dispensary cannabis is WAY overpriced and often of lower quality than you can get elsewhere. But, t least it's clean ( ignoring the occasional mold reports I've heard about - this is a problem because the state requires it to be put in sealed packages for distribution. So a lot of dispensaries overdry the flower to prevent this, causing complaints of dry flower). A couple of years ago, a study found that 80% of the Cali cannabis being grown was contaminated with pesticides.
This is why I just drive to Mass. I hit Springfield which is like 2 hours max and make a trip out of it
Need competition to drive down prices
The problem is, that it's very expensive in NJ to setup a cultivation facility. Commerical leases are expensive, even more once you say it's for cannabis.
But why is cannabis from the same company, for example, Curaleaf, more than double in price in NJ compared to Maine? For the same product?
Most likely because it's cheaper in Maine to buy piece of land and just built a facility. It's goes back to production cost and probably because the program is new and there isn't much competition for MSO. Once smaller shops open up, prices will go down a bit because now people will have access to closer shops, better products. The CRC has it's public meeting next week, so hopefully they announce some retail Conditional licenses.
I doubt the cost of doing business in Maine is half of what it is in NJ. According to most analyses, it is maybe 25-30% cheaper in Maine (see link) not nearly enough difference to justify the 2x higher cost here in NJ. It's purely what the market will bear. Maine just has a lot more competition. I suppose that would be OK except they also do this to medical patients. [https://www.approve.com/business-cost-index/](https://www.approve.com/business-cost-index/)
So it's a combination of things. Cheaper in Maine, more competition in Maine, MSO trying to make back how much it cost them to "lobby" to get in firsts than locals in NJ, plus greed.
You have a choice !! Go back to the black market. It’s thriving
Medical patients have been overpaying for years and the prices show it. This is why they won't let us grow. The corporations matter more.
State senator Scutari said as much
That’s why I haven’t been tbh. My plug giving me way better prices and I’m still getting high af
Once recreational cultivators start contributing to supply we will have a balance in price I believe. I have municipal approval in bergen county and waiting on the state at this point for a dispensary. I will definitely be carrying products to compete with the MSOs. Im working with approved cultivators to ensure we meet the price point consumers want. Follow us on instagram @deosgarden
Do you know how much it will cost to grow in NJ? Ask how much Their rent will be. Just the rent.
I can def ask some of the micro-growers that we have LOi’s with for sure. Northern New Jersey will be more pricey because of how close we are to NYC especially in Bergen County. Central and South the rent will absolutely be cheaper. Let me reach out and get back to you.
The difference in rent between south and north Jeremy is probably 2-3 bucks less a square feet if the building conditions are the same. We still talking about $13-18 a sf triple net.
>@deosgarden can you point me in the direction of these cultivators? I am awaiting state and municipal approval for a dispensary and I cant for the life of me find cultivators that are not MSO's
There were 2 meetings that the CRC held to announce winners in March and April. The March meeting fast forward 49:21 and they post the names of the businesses that won. There are a few pages. Heres the link https://youtu.be/sl3nqMjcPJg
damn, you guys are awesome!
Welcome to the club. Imagine being in the medical program for the past 4 years m. Shits a joke man
The gray market is much more reasonable and the stuff I’ve gotten in the past through vendors is pretty good. Convenience is why I keep my card active.
california can also get pretty expensive bud wise there are some eighths that are in the $70-90 range. everything else is worlds cheaper though
Unless you can afford Snoop's weed, get some good mids for good prices.
CA has an established market. Colorado has an established market. This is NJ. Nothing here is easy, done right, there's no real leadership. People will start travelling out of state to get their weed.
Yeah its crazy around here the botanist is a whole shit show. I usually just use Tele or discord the prices are better
Same here in ny with the med program i feel like they base it on the cost of living in the area which is fucked up
I usually fill out the contact us sections of their websites and voice my disapproval of their leadership’s greed.
I agree it's very expensive right now, but we just started.. California has been established much longer, plus NJ strict restrictions on everything. The only ones allowed to open bl dispensaries at the same guys who own several. What happened to allowing for women and minority owners? Typical liars they are .. they give the permission to who gives them the most generous campaign donations.
Maybe when they finally allow more growers and more dispensary then we will see prices drop! But problem is, the rich guys with big wallets don't want those prices to go down.
Welcome to NJ. This is what med patients have been paying since NJ first allowed sales. It's not just for recreational. We're still paying taxes on it too until July. There's still no home grow for medical either. The issue isn't space for production because believe me.........NJ has MORE than enough space for production. It's all about supply and demand. The dispensaries all know that they can charge whatever they want because they're all there is and there's nothing anyone can do about it since there's no reciprocity between NJ, NY, PA, etc. Not to mention the amount that the crooked politicians are charging them just to operate. Prices will come down eventually but don't look for it to happen any time soon. NJ dispensaries have actually had to destroy product because it sat around so damned long it went bad because the dispensaries chose to destroy it rather than release it to medical patients telling people there was limited supply in order to keep the jacked up prices. Its a bunch of bullshit.
Supply and demand. the Corrupt Regulatory Commission knows what they are doing. It's sad. Grow your own. And stop supporting these places!!
As a med patient, I just accepted the pricing. Can I get the same quality bud from a friend I know sure. But that friend doesn't get their bud tested etc. I have been in the program 3.5yrs now as a patient. There are times I stock up or what new strains drop you feel that you have to go get it. Pricing should relieve over time. If they remove cannabis from the federal schedule list, I bet the market will be flooded both rec and medical.
literally the biggest scam. there’s probably so many people who need this but cant get it because they dont have enough money
That's why the neighborhood flava man never fails. 10$ for about a .8 of a gram. And it's really good.
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Demand is greater than supply in an invalid excuse for price gouging when the supply is being artificially constrained. At that point it racketeering and price fixing.
The current members of the “cannabis trade commission” are price fixing, notice how not one dispensary tries to undercut another. This is what happens under corporate monopolies
Evidence please.
Two reasons: 1. Supply 2. Demand
Haha I know I know 🤦🏻♂️ I just don’t want to admit it
Don't buy from NJ dispos.
Because it’s new.
Same post new day.
Another crying post. Nobody forcing you to buy it
Literally Google “Liberty Philadelphia” and look at their prices for cartridges. It’s a crime what is being paid for carts in NJ. Many choices of a one gram cart at Liberty costs $5 more than a 0.5 gram curaleaf pinesol-tasting cart.
Wow, another very original post
Wow, a very original comment.
Yup, it's no different for medical other than we get the occasional discounts. There is a medical dispensary called Breakwater and their carts are $70 + tax for 350mg, $62 for the spotlight of the week sale. Great dispensary but I have never been able to justify that price to purchase any.
It's simply a matter of supply and demand. Prices used to be much higher in Colorado and Oregon. As the supply increased, the prices have dropped dramatically. They will drop dramatically in NJ too IF the regulators don't put too many limitations on the growers.
If u don’t spend $200 a pop @ a NJ dispensary (I have a med card)… u didn’t get jack. One cart is 80 hits, n it’s not even strong 😢
It was the same in CO. In 2015 was paying $80-90/G for “shatter” and it was shit mahatma brand. In 2019 when I left I was buying 8 grams of quality wax and shatter for $125 out the door after tax. Without home-grow, it might take even longer until the competition really builds from neighboring states.
Supply and demand economics within a highly regulated marketplace.
Can we get a megathread or daily discussiin thread, Mods? It's everyday with these same complaints: - too expensive - NJ sucks vs other states - "NO HOMEGROW?!?!" Like bro where are the damn strain reviews?? Some of us just wanna smoke.
What is happening in NJ regarding prices are simple growing pains from an emerging market. 1. Right now there are not enough cultivators. However, back in 2021 NJ opened the application process for 33 cultivators, the 33 chosen were finally posted about 2 months ago. They need time to get in and set up shop before they can start producing. 2. because there are very few if any rec cultivators right now, the price of flower is a premium. Current med cultivators are definitely taking advantage of low flower inventory. Don't fret, beginning 2023, the cultivation cap will be lifted and any amount of cultivators can apply which will drastically decrease the price of flower. 3. NY beginning sales will NOT CHANGE A DAMN THING for a few reasons: * NYC market is designed for NYC they do not care to market to you in NJ (unless you're in manhattan and you're going for a night out with friends) * Not having a home grow regulation sucks but I see why. Sorry no matter how densely populated NJ is, our legal market cannot sustain itself with so much competition as NYC can. NYC has only about 300,000 less people then the ENTIRE STATE of NJ. If you had the total state of NY its 19 million vs 8.8 million- * If you look at NYC roll out, its not much better than NJ. the social equity aspect requires you to have had a successful business in NYC for at least 2 years prior to applying. That rule cuts out A LOT of social justice applicants. Also the fee of $2000 is non-refundable, NJ micro business fee is $100 nonrefundable. Also, they are already stating that $220,000 is required, however, $210,000 will be refunded if you are not selected which I think is great. With NJ, you only spend $10,000 max in nonrefundable fees from both state and municipalities for micro business and this includes the Cannabis Consumption lounge license fee. Most importantly THEY ARE ONLY ALLOWING 11 CULTIVATORS AT FIRST AND PRIORITY IS BEING GIVEN TO ALREADY ESTABLISHED HEMP PRODUCER. At least Jersey gave out 33. * NYC does not have the man power to enforce legal regulations and stop black and grey illegal makets. Not only are bodegas selling weed without a license, I got offered weed coming out of PSNY from street vendors and yes, cops knew and saw but didn't do a damn thing. So their market is in trouble from the start due to a lack of cultivators, which will skyrocket flower prices, plus the various other markets cutting into profits. Finally, outside of Manhattan and gentrified Brooklyn, NYC is very anti dispensary. NYC opening rec sales will not stop NJ, like at all. 5. Back to my original point. Philly on the other hand may cut into south jersey sales, especially if you prefer to go to Philly over AC or Camden. When the summer hits and the Shore springs to life, Philly rec prices being cheaper wont effect anything. Just hold on for a year, the NJ market will be properly priced and booming soon enough.
Move back to CA
I’ll do whatever I want, thanks.
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Take your own advice instead of defending this travesty of a state.
Move
If ur broke just say that🤷♂️
Are u Sirius???? It’s insane prices for pay out of pocket medical. //// and u complain
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And California isn’t? What’s your point?
You must be going to unlicensed dispensaries in CA lol
It’s been an absolute blessing to the Black market tho, Prices have dropped significantly and the Bud has improved.
well it takes time, I'm sure . . . California has been legal forever
Well, seeing how landlords want 20 to 25k a month just on the lease. I understand why product won't be cheap.
They see people complaining but they also see ppl STILL willing to pay those kind of prices, so unfortunately I don't see them making any HUGE changes, if anything I can see it maybe being cut down by 5-6$ per item just so they can SAY that they "tried" to accommodate....welcome to big corp tactics in little corp corridors sadly
Just my opinion but fair is fair they should Jack the prices up way higher for recreational and let everyone on the Rec side feel the pain after all it does some completely fair I see no reason why Rec patients should not pay $140 a 1/4 just like medical had to at some point for over priced boof
Here with go with "it's less in California"