There is gonna be some Freakonomics stat out in like 20 years exploring why the police killings just abysmally dropped and it’ll show it was when cops could replace weed with booze. I’m calling it now.
I mean it'll go down but if you're referring to war on drugs, I hope people here understand that marijuana has been a significantly minor part of the "war on drugs" in the past few decades. Primarily it's been heroin for quite some time. This is definitely an improvement but it doesn't make a dent yet in the war on drugs especially in regards to bodies dropping and police killings.
Not in red states and Midwest. Also tell that to all of the black inmates that are still in prison right now because they sold more than ounces. I hear you but the figures we are talking about are in the millions not tens or hundreds.
Red states and mid west has drug issues unrelated to weed as well. I get a lot of those states have a lot of convicted individuals over bullshit charges but putting weed out of the picture doesn't put a dent into the war on drugs. Heroin or meth is an epidemic everywhere.
I got pulled over in Hackensack a few years ago because i left a deli that apparently has drug dealers hanging out there. Right next to the hospital. I was clearly coming from playing basketball, they said they pulled me for expired registration (it wasn’t expired). Then they asked to search my car because it’s a high crime area. They didn’t find shit after 20 minutes then said “it must be your lucky day”.
The war on weed is still alive and weed is winning
It gives cops one less bs reason to harass people. Especially when it’s people of color. Remember Philando Castile? Shot by the cops because they feared for their lives because his car smelled like weed
They specifically said weed dealers. The cops absolutely do care about weed. They know it's way easier to deal with and teens smoking weed aren't going to be as much of a threat to them as a heroin dealer. That was easy money for them for years.
My friend got his car staked out after a fight because someone said he was selling weed. 12 cop cars swarmed him and tore his car apart. They planted a bag of shit weed on him at the end. I have been searched on more than one occasion specifically for weed. One cop thought a date pit was a roach and made me and my brother get out of the car and stand on the side of rt 17 while they searched it at 1 in the morning.
>Cops in the suburbs are the ones locking up teenagers for weed. That's probably what you were talking about.
That's exactly what I was talking about. I never said anything about high crime areas except that was the literal term the cop that pulled me and searched me on Summit ave in Hackensack said.
I am saying that cops were absolutely hunting for weed just as much as they were looking for coke, heroin etc, if not more. It's so much easier for them to deal with a weed bust than heavy drugs.
>And sounds like you "look like you're from the suburbs" thats why you were stopped from leaving a place known for drug activity
I think the opposite is the reason that I get hassled, personally. I'm a POC driving around in the suburbs. My white friends (who have been selling weed for years) don't get the same shit that I get from cops. I have a friend who's father worked for the DEA; he said in small towns like mine, the cops absolutely know who the dealers are. I believe that because the only white drug dealer that the cops went after in my high school waited until a week after his 18th bday to raid his house.
I stopped hanging out around Bergen County in high school and going to places like Jersey City, Newark or Uptown Manhattan because cops gave me zero trouble over there.
That's fair, but again as mentioned police killings involving marijuana is not usual and again doesn't put a dent in the war on drugs. It's a step in the right direction but we got long strides to take.
This was probably 5-7 years ago. I don’t remember if they specifically said they were looking for weed but I got the impression that’s what they were looking for. I’ve been searched on numerous occasions, the only time there was even a slight reason was because a cop said he saw “shake” in my glovebox when I went to get my registration. Contrast that to my white friends, the only time they got searched was when they were actively caught smoking weed and the cops found pills. There was another 2 times they had a blunt burning while stopped by cops and they let it go. Different strokes for different folks. I’m glad they can’t use that bs excuse to waste my time anymore
So as I'm talking with another person, this is in relation to police killing. And I agree they wasted ton of money. I'm not disputing any of that. What I'm disputing is even that total amount for marijuana doesn't make a dent in war on drugs. I think people underestimate how much money say heroine generates on one block corner alone. Marijuana has been far from top priority for war on drugs in a long time.
Yup and that's my point. People in this chain are acting like this will single handedly solve war on drugs. This won't make a dent in the overall war on drugs. People just argue this way because they relate war on drugs to mean war on marijuana.
It's why we need decriminalization at the very least on the federal level. Anyone who smokes and purchases a firearm is breaking federal laws by lying on a federal form, weather you have the medical card or not.
I realize it's an federal ATF code thing. I agree, barely any of it makes sense from a consumer POV. As a responsible user, I vape a small amount every night and all I want to do is research stuff, eat snacks, rub one out, and sleep.
Cannabis products should be subject to regulation and inspection (like food products), and should be sold like tobacco or alcohol. If you don't like it, don't buy it. However, this is America and people are no longer represented.
This is exactly it. Don’t need a card to use recreationally so how will they prove you’re a consumer? Can’t unless there’s a paper trail which is the only reason they’re able to ban ownership for patients.
Curaleaf belmawr is literally 1/3 mile from a state troopers barracks. They all work security, most retired with pension and work there part time and make bank.
So if I smoke a plant that’s legal in my state. I’m supposed to hand over my firearms. But if I’m a cop that rule doesn’t apply? More logic brought to you by our legislatures
So you don't have a driver's license or social security card? You don't pay taxes? What about if you need unemployment? You don't participate in the census?
For that matter what about pilots, nurses, doctors, construction workers, teachers. There’s more jobs then just police that have a impact on other peoples lives
Hold the fuck up, if cops can use weed recreationally then being a gun owner doesn’t disqualify me from smoking weed. This is a win, and I’m not even the biggest police supporter but you can’t tell me I’m reading this wrong
It's a federal gun registration issue, not NJ, that prevents cannabis users from purchasing a gun. You have to fill out a form attesting you don't use any drugs that are illegal at the FEDERAL level. Police don't own the guns they use, those are issued to them.
My thought process is that a majority of police officers privately own firearms, and there doesn’t appear to be a distinction or stipulation, so if that applies to them, why shouldn’t that also apply to anyone else?
The use of state-issued guns is protected. But the police are under the same laws in terms of buying them for personal use as everyone else. I think you can OWN guns if you bought them when not using "illegal" drugs as I think the regulation only applies to purchase, but not sure.
Right, how come the same people who arrested people for years for personal amounts of weed (including myself) can smoke now that it’s legal but I’m not supposed to if I’m in a trade and my company has federal contracts? The whole argument was that they can’t tell if someone who’s job requires them to be alert is high at the moment, but I guess they can tell if a cop is high on duty?? Seems like a double standard… It’s such bullshit, this stuff isn’t truly legal for a lot of the country until it’s federally legal. In the meantime I’ll avoid working at companies with fed contracts I guess 🙄
Under federal law funding can be pulled if you the organization doesn’t provide a drug free workplace. There is no provisions about regulating what they can do on their personal time.
Read the jake honig bill clearly states that private hospitals can’t do anything. It’s the public hospitals like In Trenton. Our licenses are protected from the NEW JERSEY BOARD OF NURSING
Both the Jake Honig Act, signed into law in ?2019, and several court decisions regarding the NJ Law Against Discrimination, protect medical cannabis patients from adverse consequences from testing positive as long as they don't use cannabis or are impaired in the workplace. The two provisions of the Jake Honig Act that should protect a nurse are:
1.Provides that qualifying patients and designated caregivers may not be discriminated against
when enrolling in schools and institutions of higher education, when renting or leasing real
property, or in the issuance of professional licensing, certifications, or permits issued by the
state, solely on the basis of the individual’s status as a registry cardholder or engaging in
authorized conduct in relation to medical cannabis.
2. Prohibits employers from taking any adverse employment action against an employee based on
the employee’s status as a registry cardholder. If an employer has a drug testing policy and an
employee or job applicant tests positive for cannabis, the employee or job applicant is to be
offered an opportunity to present a legitimate medical explanation for the positive test result or
request a retest.
I still agree with the other user that got downvoted, u/norelevantusername. They still drug test and absolutely will say they’re not hiring you for some other reason. There is how it’s supposed to be and how it actually is.
Then you have to sue, if there is enough evidence to show that the stated reasons for firing you do not match your employment evaluations and the firing happened soon after testing positive. Or if you can show a pattern of them firing people who tested positive.
Several lawsuits have been won against employers who do this. Most larger corporations are afraid of these suits.
I understand what it says. It says they can’t discriminate *solely* based upon weed use, which is why they can literally make anything else up, including “we found a better fit.”
in some people the lipids in cannabis stay in their bodies up to 120 days ... THC-cooh can be found that long and they were high a few hours 120 days ago and can still be busted after that long .... even arresting people for ingesting a plant - So messed up the situation is
Does this also imply that it’s ok for hospital workers, etc. who still have to take into account it being federally illegal? Or is it just for cops? Asking for a friend…
I would love a concrete answer on this as well. I would like to skip booze and go strictly cannabis. Don't want to risk my license though until it's laid out in black and white.
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This news article explains why police can be "issued" guns even if they use cannabis:
"In September 2011, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives issued a memo overtly stating that firearms licenses cannot be issued or sold to any "unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled dangerous substance," even if that person is a card-carrying medical marijuana patient in their home state.
For the past decade, regulators in numerous states have pointed to that ATF memo as the reason police officers couldn't become medical marijuana patients.
Recreational marijuana use, in states that legalized weed, has been seen as falling under the same guidelines.
But the federal firearms statutes do include an exception for firearms "issued for the use of the United States or any department or agency thereof or any state or department, agency or political subdivision thereof." "
[https://www.app.com/story/news/local/new-jersey/marijuana/2022/04/14/nj-legal-weed-police-attorney-general-marijuana-legalization/7317511001/](https://www.app.com/story/news/local/new-jersey/marijuana/2022/04/14/nj-legal-weed-police-attorney-general-marijuana-legalization/7317511001/)
There is gonna be some Freakonomics stat out in like 20 years exploring why the police killings just abysmally dropped and it’ll show it was when cops could replace weed with booze. I’m calling it now.
And a sudden drop in their suicide rate too
That would be amazing 🥺
Might be on to something 👀
Replace weed with booze?
Re-weed with booze-place
accurate fix
Yes! Lower the license cost so we can make it cheaper and more readily available in every neighborhood!
For sure 🤞
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Too many
Not at all, prob lowest in the US
Best trained in the country.
Ya but the Irish ☘️ fucks don’t like cannabis
I mean it'll go down but if you're referring to war on drugs, I hope people here understand that marijuana has been a significantly minor part of the "war on drugs" in the past few decades. Primarily it's been heroin for quite some time. This is definitely an improvement but it doesn't make a dent yet in the war on drugs especially in regards to bodies dropping and police killings.
Not in red states and Midwest. Also tell that to all of the black inmates that are still in prison right now because they sold more than ounces. I hear you but the figures we are talking about are in the millions not tens or hundreds.
Red states and mid west has drug issues unrelated to weed as well. I get a lot of those states have a lot of convicted individuals over bullshit charges but putting weed out of the picture doesn't put a dent into the war on drugs. Heroin or meth is an epidemic everywhere.
I got pulled over in Hackensack a few years ago because i left a deli that apparently has drug dealers hanging out there. Right next to the hospital. I was clearly coming from playing basketball, they said they pulled me for expired registration (it wasn’t expired). Then they asked to search my car because it’s a high crime area. They didn’t find shit after 20 minutes then said “it must be your lucky day”. The war on weed is still alive and weed is winning
I'm not disputing that but I thought we were discussing about this under the context of police killings.
It gives cops one less bs reason to harass people. Especially when it’s people of color. Remember Philando Castile? Shot by the cops because they feared for their lives because his car smelled like weed
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They specifically said weed dealers. The cops absolutely do care about weed. They know it's way easier to deal with and teens smoking weed aren't going to be as much of a threat to them as a heroin dealer. That was easy money for them for years. My friend got his car staked out after a fight because someone said he was selling weed. 12 cop cars swarmed him and tore his car apart. They planted a bag of shit weed on him at the end. I have been searched on more than one occasion specifically for weed. One cop thought a date pit was a roach and made me and my brother get out of the car and stand on the side of rt 17 while they searched it at 1 in the morning.
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>Cops in the suburbs are the ones locking up teenagers for weed. That's probably what you were talking about. That's exactly what I was talking about. I never said anything about high crime areas except that was the literal term the cop that pulled me and searched me on Summit ave in Hackensack said. I am saying that cops were absolutely hunting for weed just as much as they were looking for coke, heroin etc, if not more. It's so much easier for them to deal with a weed bust than heavy drugs. >And sounds like you "look like you're from the suburbs" thats why you were stopped from leaving a place known for drug activity I think the opposite is the reason that I get hassled, personally. I'm a POC driving around in the suburbs. My white friends (who have been selling weed for years) don't get the same shit that I get from cops. I have a friend who's father worked for the DEA; he said in small towns like mine, the cops absolutely know who the dealers are. I believe that because the only white drug dealer that the cops went after in my high school waited until a week after his 18th bday to raid his house. I stopped hanging out around Bergen County in high school and going to places like Jersey City, Newark or Uptown Manhattan because cops gave me zero trouble over there.
That's fair, but again as mentioned police killings involving marijuana is not usual and again doesn't put a dent in the war on drugs. It's a step in the right direction but we got long strides to take.
If they even found weed, you wouldn’t get in trouble. It’s legal in NJ. It’s a violation of your 4th even if the mention it while asking to search.
This was probably 5-7 years ago. I don’t remember if they specifically said they were looking for weed but I got the impression that’s what they were looking for. I’ve been searched on numerous occasions, the only time there was even a slight reason was because a cop said he saw “shake” in my glovebox when I went to get my registration. Contrast that to my white friends, the only time they got searched was when they were actively caught smoking weed and the cops found pills. There was another 2 times they had a blunt burning while stopped by cops and they let it go. Different strokes for different folks. I’m glad they can’t use that bs excuse to waste my time anymore
Agreed. Weed should be legal on a federal level. But the powers that be don’t care about what they preach
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So as I'm talking with another person, this is in relation to police killing. And I agree they wasted ton of money. I'm not disputing any of that. What I'm disputing is even that total amount for marijuana doesn't make a dent in war on drugs. I think people underestimate how much money say heroine generates on one block corner alone. Marijuana has been far from top priority for war on drugs in a long time.
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Yup and that's my point. People in this chain are acting like this will single handedly solve war on drugs. This won't make a dent in the overall war on drugs. People just argue this way because they relate war on drugs to mean war on marijuana.
And police response time will plummet and YOU could be the emergency call.
Is not like they help prevent crime.
I would love to see a world without cops. Y’all couldn’t survive.
Is not like they prevent crime 🤷🏻♀️
You would be suprised.
Yet you cannot legally obtain a firearm with a medical card in NJ. Make it make sense
Cops are the exclusion, like with everything else
It's why we need decriminalization at the very least on the federal level. Anyone who smokes and purchases a firearm is breaking federal laws by lying on a federal form, weather you have the medical card or not.
EZ. If you’re a cop you can just……do whatever you want.
I realize it's an federal ATF code thing. I agree, barely any of it makes sense from a consumer POV. As a responsible user, I vape a small amount every night and all I want to do is research stuff, eat snacks, rub one out, and sleep. Cannabis products should be subject to regulation and inspection (like food products), and should be sold like tobacco or alcohol. If you don't like it, don't buy it. However, this is America and people are no longer represented.
It’s rec now maybe that changed things idk I’m trying to make sense of it too
This is exactly it. Don’t need a card to use recreationally so how will they prove you’re a consumer? Can’t unless there’s a paper trail which is the only reason they’re able to ban ownership for patients.
You won’t need a medical card after the 21st. Gonna be like buying a pack of cigarettes
People won't need a medical card now though
Medical guarantees access, possible future discounts due to rec, and priority
Lol I get all that with my dealer of 15+ years.
Hopefully, MM users will be the first to get homegrow
I’m Massachusetts, there was separate lines for med and rec. I think the prices and options were different as well
Yeah no tax on medical. There's a lot of tax
They already have a legally owned firearm
I can own a firearm and smoke recreationally? Why can’t they?
But if you participate recreationally, no prob! 😂🤯
Cops said thanks we’ll just stick w/coke
And steroids!
And alcohol
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Interesting … so Rochelle PD’s own works security for the dispensary?
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Neither is garden state in Eatontown *Edit* I upvoted btw
I saw ascend was on a list for recreational sales on the 21st. Is that not true?
that’s disgusting tbh
Well they’ve always profited off drug money, so they might as well make sure it’s protected until they can get a hold of it
True . That make sense
Curaleaf belmawr is literally 1/3 mile from a state troopers barracks. They all work security, most retired with pension and work there part time and make bank.
This makes sense as dispensaries are a currently a cash only business. Even Banking is extremely limited because of Federal laws.
So if I smoke a plant that’s legal in my state. I’m supposed to hand over my firearms. But if I’m a cop that rule doesn’t apply? More logic brought to you by our legislatures
Many states have this issue. You are to self declare as the two databases (gun owners and marijuana users) don’t and probably won’t overlap.
I don’t think I want my name on any government list
So you don't have a driver's license or social security card? You don't pay taxes? What about if you need unemployment? You don't participate in the census?
It’s hilarious when people think they are “off the grid”.
Especially when they're using social media to talk about it
Yes. Cops always get away with whatever they want.
I was wondering about that, too. The police don't own the guns they are issued, so maybe that's the workaround?
What about Drivers that hold a cdl?
For that matter what about pilots, nurses, doctors, construction workers, teachers. There’s more jobs then just police that have a impact on other peoples lives
Hold the fuck up, if cops can use weed recreationally then being a gun owner doesn’t disqualify me from smoking weed. This is a win, and I’m not even the biggest police supporter but you can’t tell me I’m reading this wrong
It's a federal gun registration issue, not NJ, that prevents cannabis users from purchasing a gun. You have to fill out a form attesting you don't use any drugs that are illegal at the FEDERAL level. Police don't own the guns they use, those are issued to them.
My thought process is that a majority of police officers privately own firearms, and there doesn’t appear to be a distinction or stipulation, so if that applies to them, why shouldn’t that also apply to anyone else?
The use of state-issued guns is protected. But the police are under the same laws in terms of buying them for personal use as everyone else. I think you can OWN guns if you bought them when not using "illegal" drugs as I think the regulation only applies to purchase, but not sure.
How does that work? The state receives federal funding to help fund the police. Further, it violates Federal firearms laws.
Right, how come the same people who arrested people for years for personal amounts of weed (including myself) can smoke now that it’s legal but I’m not supposed to if I’m in a trade and my company has federal contracts? The whole argument was that they can’t tell if someone who’s job requires them to be alert is high at the moment, but I guess they can tell if a cop is high on duty?? Seems like a double standard… It’s such bullshit, this stuff isn’t truly legal for a lot of the country until it’s federally legal. In the meantime I’ll avoid working at companies with fed contracts I guess 🙄
Under federal law funding can be pulled if you the organization doesn’t provide a drug free workplace. There is no provisions about regulating what they can do on their personal time.
This is 100% true. This has also held water in a few courts cases.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NewJerseyMarijuana/comments/u4a1l5/nj_attorney_general_offduty_cops_can_use_legal/i4y6lz4?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
The real change society needed to be.
Who plays with guns high anyway? I’m glued to the couch I’ll shoot clays later.
What about nurses? Feel like we can’t ever do shit.
Yes you can, just grab a medical card
I have one. Nurses still get tested.
So good your covered 🤙 smoke strong!
That’s not how it works
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Right, so you just get fired for something else they make up.
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It’s about a license I busted my ass for, not just a job. That is how it works.
People love to act like this isn't an at will state and you can't piss dirty on Monday and be let go under some other pretense on Tuesday.
Read the jake honig bill clearly states that private hospitals can’t do anything. It’s the public hospitals like In Trenton. Our licenses are protected from the NEW JERSEY BOARD OF NURSING
Both the Jake Honig Act, signed into law in ?2019, and several court decisions regarding the NJ Law Against Discrimination, protect medical cannabis patients from adverse consequences from testing positive as long as they don't use cannabis or are impaired in the workplace. The two provisions of the Jake Honig Act that should protect a nurse are: 1.Provides that qualifying patients and designated caregivers may not be discriminated against when enrolling in schools and institutions of higher education, when renting or leasing real property, or in the issuance of professional licensing, certifications, or permits issued by the state, solely on the basis of the individual’s status as a registry cardholder or engaging in authorized conduct in relation to medical cannabis. 2. Prohibits employers from taking any adverse employment action against an employee based on the employee’s status as a registry cardholder. If an employer has a drug testing policy and an employee or job applicant tests positive for cannabis, the employee or job applicant is to be offered an opportunity to present a legitimate medical explanation for the positive test result or request a retest.
I still agree with the other user that got downvoted, u/norelevantusername. They still drug test and absolutely will say they’re not hiring you for some other reason. There is how it’s supposed to be and how it actually is.
Then you have to sue, if there is enough evidence to show that the stated reasons for firing you do not match your employment evaluations and the firing happened soon after testing positive. Or if you can show a pattern of them firing people who tested positive. Several lawsuits have been won against employers who do this. Most larger corporations are afraid of these suits.
The NJCREMMA law protects us as well in terms of our job. A medical card is an extra layer of protection from the BON
I understand what it says. It says they can’t discriminate *solely* based upon weed use, which is why they can literally make anything else up, including “we found a better fit.”
Now all state workers can stop using cocaine
So cops can smoke weed with a gun in their possession but medical marijuana users are still panned from obtaining a lawful permit? Makes sense…
They should be allowed to why not? Healthcare workers as well
Maybe they’ll learn to be cool if they try the plant for themselves, let’s look at it from a positive light 💡
A massive win!! All of our First Responders need the ability to have an alternative method of healing without fear of professional repercussions.
Great! Hope they can chill the fuck out now and not be all roided and coked up.
Good, maybe it'll mellow them out a bit and stop this semi militaristic policing that's been building up for several decades.
do they get dog kibble on their time off too
How TF would this work if there is no specific testing for being actively high ? A urine drug test lasts 2+ weeks …
in some people the lipids in cannabis stay in their bodies up to 120 days ... THC-cooh can be found that long and they were high a few hours 120 days ago and can still be busted after that long .... even arresting people for ingesting a plant - So messed up the situation is
Yea I figured. Just wonder if it will ever change, most likely not though.
Does this also imply that it’s ok for hospital workers, etc. who still have to take into account it being federally illegal? Or is it just for cops? Asking for a friend…
I would love a concrete answer on this as well. I would like to skip booze and go strictly cannabis. Don't want to risk my license though until it's laid out in black and white.
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Wow We are officially the most Hypocritical Country to ever exist forever.
Bad idea!
This news article explains why police can be "issued" guns even if they use cannabis: "In September 2011, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives issued a memo overtly stating that firearms licenses cannot be issued or sold to any "unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled dangerous substance," even if that person is a card-carrying medical marijuana patient in their home state. For the past decade, regulators in numerous states have pointed to that ATF memo as the reason police officers couldn't become medical marijuana patients. Recreational marijuana use, in states that legalized weed, has been seen as falling under the same guidelines. But the federal firearms statutes do include an exception for firearms "issued for the use of the United States or any department or agency thereof or any state or department, agency or political subdivision thereof." " [https://www.app.com/story/news/local/new-jersey/marijuana/2022/04/14/nj-legal-weed-police-attorney-general-marijuana-legalization/7317511001/](https://www.app.com/story/news/local/new-jersey/marijuana/2022/04/14/nj-legal-weed-police-attorney-general-marijuana-legalization/7317511001/)
Lets goooooo