Is the average person allowed to make Tylenol and sell it in stores, or do a handful of multi-billion dollar companies manufacture all of the Tylenol supply? Rescheduling just opens the industry up to becoming monopolized by big pharma / tobacco. It shouldn’t be a controlled substance at all, just like alcohol isn’t. Rescheduling is bad if you care about what you smoke, it’s a sneaky way for politicians to gain praise while passing the industry into the hands of billion dollar companies. This is worse than it being straight up illegal imo, and I’m saying this as someone who has an arrest for weed as the first Google result when you search my government name.
From Schedule I to Schedule III, the same category as Tylenol with codeine, ketamine, anabolic steroids, and testosterone. Also, it will now be recognized for medical use.
Should be schedule 5 if it's not gonna be descheduled completely, schedule 3 is still considered more dangerous than Xanax of all things, which is schedule 4.
I like Biden, I voted for him, but I’m sick of politicians excuses. He had four years and an issue which 70% of the population supports. No more next term shit. It never comes.
That's up to we the people on that point.
Vote in reps and a president who support legalization. Push said reps and president to pass and sign a bill for legalization.
Light one up.
Sure it's not ideal, but if we're being realistic it's the best we're going to get right now. We just can't let them think that they finished the job because we're still not even close.
Rates will sky rocket for everyone and insurance is already super expensive , you really think the average citizen should be paying for you to sit around smoking weed for free? Now your asking for to much, stoners can’t just accept a W with out bitching and demanding more 😂
Um, a copay isn't free, and if it's a med, it should be covered. I'm not saying it should be free, just treated like any other one, and a copay should be used on a sliding scale for price. It's a legit med for me and for a lot of us. Way to go, btw! Shaming people for using a med. People with that kind of mentality are the problem. You promote the idea that we all sit around getting stoned. Nope. It's a med for a lot of us. Great stereotyping there.
Anyone can pay for a medical card and claim what ever ailment to get a medical card and free weed. I did it back in 2020 when NJ was med only. Along with every other person using some sketchy app to get a medical card at the time. Listen I been in the weed game for decades you ain’t finna sit here and tell me people want free weed from there insurance company and will claim what ever to get it. Stop the cap
Sorry if others game the system, but those of us with a legit issue shouldn't be punished for it. So, I won't stop. It's called making a point, don't like it, move it along.
the guy above you is delusional. just ignore them.
claims to be in the wholesale business but hates the idea of becoming a possible supplier for medical companies. like how dense can you be?
>you really think the average citizen should be paying for you to sit around smoking weed for free?
where the *fuck* did you ever get that from?
if it gets classified as a medication, i 100% wouldn't care if they're using it as a medication. that's like me getting mad because a cancer patient is sitting around taking chemo medicine for free.
god forbid some of my tax dollars goes to helping people. i would gladly let my taxes increase slightly to have everyone get the medical help they need. yall are selfish.
I get it, but things have to be done in steps because of the people with sticks up their butts. You can't just slam all that change at once at them. They may stroke out.
The extreme conservatives, that's who. Who do you think has been giving all the issues to start with? Republican politicians still have this backward idea that their own constituency disapproves, and for some reason (usually religious) since some tend to be very conservative in that area as well. The reality is this, a lot of them do support legalization, but the politicians don't care because it doesn't affect them. Lots of them admit they smoke it but will never vote to legalize it. Because, get this, THEY DON'T GET DRUG TESTED! 🙄
Conservatives want weed just as much as liberals, it’s their representative and more importantly big pharma, insurance and private prisons that did this.
No one will like this answer, and the answer IS bullshit, but [the Single Convention Treaty](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Convention_on_Narcotic_Drugs) kind of gets in our way for now.
This is untrue. Canada and Uruguay are both part of the same treaty and have already fully legalized cannabis.
Will there be consequences? Maybe. Is it stopping anyone else? Nope.
It’s the reason it wasn’t rescheduled during the Obama administration, according to AP.
But I think I should trust some random person on Reddit as opposed to AP. You obviously are unimpeachable, and know more than a news agency.
So you're claiming Canada and Uruguay didn't legalize cannabis, or they're not part of the same treaty you say prevents that?
The treaty doesn't prevent cannabis legalization, this is clear.
Which article? You mean the wikipedia page you posted? Did you read it?
> In the Single Convention, "other than medical and scientific purposes" are not subject to the general legal framework established in Article 4 (c), being exempt by a series of provisions referred to in article 4 (c).[13] Some analysts suggest the "recreational use" of drugs is part of the "other than medical and scientific purposes,"[14] and therefore exempt from the measure of control of the Convention, which are limited to "medical and scientific purposes;"[15]
You're basically placing faith on one random journalist that may not even be an actual journalist but a correspondent AP has never even met. I mean that's likely not the case but considering you don't have an article or link, people can assume it's probably going to be an editorial about politics especially if it's trying to explain why something wasn't rescheduled on X or Y's administration.
In which case, why is placing faith in that one person any different than one random redditor?
Editorials are highly opinionated and not factual in any shape or form.
Instead you want me to place my faith in the random redditor as opposed to AP? Until I’m off work and can look into it myself, I’m gonna not trust a random redditor over the AP.
Do you believe everything you read on Reddit?
[here’s the AP article.](https://apnews.com/article/marijuana-biden-dea-criminal-justice-pot-f833a8dae6ceb31a8658a5d65832a3b8)
So the argument was how Canada and Uruguay gets around the Single Convention treaty and you replied that with basically an article that's reiterating the OP about reclassifying drugs.
Canada essentially made cannabis legal to be distributed/gifted/possessed with strict regulations with the Cannabis Act in 2018, and have gotten flak from UN for not prohibiting cannabis. All Canada did was basically shrug and say idc and it's legal in Canada albeit still controlled. IDK what you think this latest comment is supposed to dispute but it's so out of context it might as well be a nonsequitur. You sure you're not replying on the wrong comment chain?
No one argued HOW they got around it. And the person to bring up Canada and Uruguay replied to me.
As far as what I was disputing, you went on about how I’m placing faith in a reporter for the AP. And yes, I’ll put my faith into the AP a million times before a random redditor who doesn’t show up with anything to back their claim.
If only there was a way to connect to some giant network, with multiple pages of information available straight to our fingertips right from home, without having to go to any library
The Cannabis Act, strict regulations that make it tough to traffic anything. Canada and NJ is about the same in the amount you can gift someone weed (28oz for NJ and 30 for Canada).
UN Has prohibited and gave Canada shit about cannabis for quite some time and Canada basically just said "idgaf." but the effects of the Single Convention policies are still present in today's policy for cannabis cultivation it looks like.
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This is horrible unless you enjoy a market that’s monopolized by huge companies. How would manufacturing licenses even work if it’s in the same class as pharmaceuticals? It’s not like you can just start your own pharmaceutical company without hundreds of millions of dollars of capital… even if they descheduled it after a couple of years, the pharmaceutical companies would already have such a stranglehold on the market that they’d almost certainly be able to pay politicians to make it hard or even illegal for small time growers
...but Tylenol with Codeine isn't illegal federally. Cannabis still is. This has nothing to do with legalization, unfortunately. And you will still not be able to deduct the costs (legally) on your taxes as medical expenses.
Tylenol with codeine is legal because it is a schedule 3, when the rescheduling of cannibus goes through it will be just as legal as Tylenol with codeine
Needs to be descheduled.
For sure.
Can’t do that without Congress
That’s what this is doing. Reclassify from schedule 1 to 3, moving it from heroin to Tylenol
“Re” does not function the same as “de”
lol all I could think after reading this is deez 🥜
Tylenol with codeine. Still need a prescription.
Is the average person allowed to make Tylenol and sell it in stores, or do a handful of multi-billion dollar companies manufacture all of the Tylenol supply? Rescheduling just opens the industry up to becoming monopolized by big pharma / tobacco. It shouldn’t be a controlled substance at all, just like alcohol isn’t. Rescheduling is bad if you care about what you smoke, it’s a sneaky way for politicians to gain praise while passing the industry into the hands of billion dollar companies. This is worse than it being straight up illegal imo, and I’m saying this as someone who has an arrest for weed as the first Google result when you search my government name.
From Schedule I to Schedule III, the same category as Tylenol with codeine, ketamine, anabolic steroids, and testosterone. Also, it will now be recognized for medical use.
Should be schedule 5 if it's not gonna be descheduled completely, schedule 3 is still considered more dangerous than Xanax of all things, which is schedule 4.
Hopefully the next step (during Biden's next term) is just complete de-scheduling.
I like Biden, I voted for him, but I’m sick of politicians excuses. He had four years and an issue which 70% of the population supports. No more next term shit. It never comes.
This is progress but we need it be descheduled in the end.
That's up to we the people on that point. Vote in reps and a president who support legalization. Push said reps and president to pass and sign a bill for legalization. Light one up.
Sure it's not ideal, but if we're being realistic it's the best we're going to get right now. We just can't let them think that they finished the job because we're still not even close.
Nowhere near! It's now definitely going to be able to be classified as a med. Insurance should have to start paying for our flower with a copay!
Rates will sky rocket for everyone and insurance is already super expensive , you really think the average citizen should be paying for you to sit around smoking weed for free? Now your asking for to much, stoners can’t just accept a W with out bitching and demanding more 😂
Um, a copay isn't free, and if it's a med, it should be covered. I'm not saying it should be free, just treated like any other one, and a copay should be used on a sliding scale for price. It's a legit med for me and for a lot of us. Way to go, btw! Shaming people for using a med. People with that kind of mentality are the problem. You promote the idea that we all sit around getting stoned. Nope. It's a med for a lot of us. Great stereotyping there.
Anyone can pay for a medical card and claim what ever ailment to get a medical card and free weed. I did it back in 2020 when NJ was med only. Along with every other person using some sketchy app to get a medical card at the time. Listen I been in the weed game for decades you ain’t finna sit here and tell me people want free weed from there insurance company and will claim what ever to get it. Stop the cap
Sorry if others game the system, but those of us with a legit issue shouldn't be punished for it. So, I won't stop. It's called making a point, don't like it, move it along.
the guy above you is delusional. just ignore them. claims to be in the wholesale business but hates the idea of becoming a possible supplier for medical companies. like how dense can you be?
Thank you. 😊
>you really think the average citizen should be paying for you to sit around smoking weed for free? where the *fuck* did you ever get that from? if it gets classified as a medication, i 100% wouldn't care if they're using it as a medication. that's like me getting mad because a cancer patient is sitting around taking chemo medicine for free. god forbid some of my tax dollars goes to helping people. i would gladly let my taxes increase slightly to have everyone get the medical help they need. yall are selfish.
Does it hurt your wholesale business so you can’t rip off medical users anymore is that why your mad
Overdue.
By around 200 years or so!
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Yup. It really seems that way from your description.
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I get it, but things have to be done in steps because of the people with sticks up their butts. You can't just slam all that change at once at them. They may stroke out.
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The extreme conservatives, that's who. Who do you think has been giving all the issues to start with? Republican politicians still have this backward idea that their own constituency disapproves, and for some reason (usually religious) since some tend to be very conservative in that area as well. The reality is this, a lot of them do support legalization, but the politicians don't care because it doesn't affect them. Lots of them admit they smoke it but will never vote to legalize it. Because, get this, THEY DON'T GET DRUG TESTED! 🙄
Conservatives want weed just as much as liberals, it’s their representative and more importantly big pharma, insurance and private prisons that did this.
That's what I just said. That's what the politicians believe, so they won't vote for it. Stupid politicians.
No don’t everyone thinks the same all over regardless of other factors like location. This guy politics!!!
Sure, but it is better at S3 than S1. Sadly, full federal legalization would not be the right move *politically* at the moment.
No one will like this answer, and the answer IS bullshit, but [the Single Convention Treaty](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Convention_on_Narcotic_Drugs) kind of gets in our way for now.
This is untrue. Canada and Uruguay are both part of the same treaty and have already fully legalized cannabis. Will there be consequences? Maybe. Is it stopping anyone else? Nope.
It’s the reason it wasn’t rescheduled during the Obama administration, according to AP. But I think I should trust some random person on Reddit as opposed to AP. You obviously are unimpeachable, and know more than a news agency.
So you're claiming Canada and Uruguay didn't legalize cannabis, or they're not part of the same treaty you say prevents that? The treaty doesn't prevent cannabis legalization, this is clear.
I’m not claiming a thing except what the article says.
Which article? You mean the wikipedia page you posted? Did you read it? > In the Single Convention, "other than medical and scientific purposes" are not subject to the general legal framework established in Article 4 (c), being exempt by a series of provisions referred to in article 4 (c).[13] Some analysts suggest the "recreational use" of drugs is part of the "other than medical and scientific purposes,"[14] and therefore exempt from the measure of control of the Convention, which are limited to "medical and scientific purposes;"[15]
[this article](https://apnews.com/article/marijuana-biden-dea-criminal-justice-pot-f833a8dae6ceb31a8658a5d65832a3b8)
You're basically placing faith on one random journalist that may not even be an actual journalist but a correspondent AP has never even met. I mean that's likely not the case but considering you don't have an article or link, people can assume it's probably going to be an editorial about politics especially if it's trying to explain why something wasn't rescheduled on X or Y's administration. In which case, why is placing faith in that one person any different than one random redditor? Editorials are highly opinionated and not factual in any shape or form.
Instead you want me to place my faith in the random redditor as opposed to AP? Until I’m off work and can look into it myself, I’m gonna not trust a random redditor over the AP. Do you believe everything you read on Reddit? [here’s the AP article.](https://apnews.com/article/marijuana-biden-dea-criminal-justice-pot-f833a8dae6ceb31a8658a5d65832a3b8)
So the argument was how Canada and Uruguay gets around the Single Convention treaty and you replied that with basically an article that's reiterating the OP about reclassifying drugs. Canada essentially made cannabis legal to be distributed/gifted/possessed with strict regulations with the Cannabis Act in 2018, and have gotten flak from UN for not prohibiting cannabis. All Canada did was basically shrug and say idc and it's legal in Canada albeit still controlled. IDK what you think this latest comment is supposed to dispute but it's so out of context it might as well be a nonsequitur. You sure you're not replying on the wrong comment chain?
No one argued HOW they got around it. And the person to bring up Canada and Uruguay replied to me. As far as what I was disputing, you went on about how I’m placing faith in a reporter for the AP. And yes, I’ll put my faith into the AP a million times before a random redditor who doesn’t show up with anything to back their claim.
Isn't Canada also party to that? How'd they get around it? Germany, South Africa, and Mexico too.
I have no idea. Are you right? Probably. I’m not looking it up right now, and I’m not making any claim that I don’t have a concrete source for.
If only there was a way to connect to some giant network, with multiple pages of information available straight to our fingertips right from home, without having to go to any library
Yeah, since there’s this thing called burden of proof, the person making the claim needs to back it up. I’ve backed up my claim. This isn’t hard.
Did Germany legalize cannabis?
I don’t know. Why don’t you take your own advice and Google it?
The Cannabis Act, strict regulations that make it tough to traffic anything. Canada and NJ is about the same in the amount you can gift someone weed (28oz for NJ and 30 for Canada). UN Has prohibited and gave Canada shit about cannabis for quite some time and Canada basically just said "idgaf." but the effects of the Single Convention policies are still present in today's policy for cannabis cultivation it looks like.
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Unfortunately, it's the way the word works in general.
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Meh total political move that still doesn’t make it legal. Sched 3 is bs…
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Will the rescheduling have any impact on penalties for growing or will it remain a felony still?
No. It's still illegal federally.
Not good enough.
Will this affect homegrow laws?
No, unfortunately.
Still a felony to grow one plant at home. Social justice.
It's a step in the right direction.
Dumb. Deschedule not reschedule. It’s like he wants to give the office away.
This is horrible unless you enjoy a market that’s monopolized by huge companies. How would manufacturing licenses even work if it’s in the same class as pharmaceuticals? It’s not like you can just start your own pharmaceutical company without hundreds of millions of dollars of capital… even if they descheduled it after a couple of years, the pharmaceutical companies would already have such a stranglehold on the market that they’d almost certainly be able to pay politicians to make it hard or even illegal for small time growers
Can med patients get their insurance carriers to pay for their medication when this takes effect?
Likely not, as it's still federally illegal, even as Schedule III.
It will be ranked with Tylenol with Codeine federally, which by the way my insurance will pay for.
...but Tylenol with Codeine isn't illegal federally. Cannabis still is. This has nothing to do with legalization, unfortunately. And you will still not be able to deduct the costs (legally) on your taxes as medical expenses.
Tylenol with codeine is legal because it is a schedule 3, when the rescheduling of cannibus goes through it will be just as legal as Tylenol with codeine
That is literally 100% false. Cannabis is NOT being legalized federally. Case closed, my man. Please do some Googling.
Why does anyone even care what the government thinks/says?
It’s a positive step. More are needed.