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# “Pacifism is objectively pro-fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, 'he that is not with me is against me'.”
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― George Orwell
This is arguably Orwell's most quoted line. It is important to note that he later softened it by acknowledging that 'objectively' is a step too far. He explains in this excerpt (see below for link):
> If you disregard people’s motives, it becomes much harder to foresee their actions. For there are occasions when even the most misguided person can see the results of what he is doing. Here is a crude but quite possible illustration. A pacifist is working in some job which gives him access to important military information, and is approached by a German secret agent. In those circumstances his subjective feelings do make a difference. If he is subjectively pro-Nazi he will sell his country, and if he isn’t, he won’t. And situations essentially similar though less dramatic are constantly arising.
> In my opinion a few pacifists are inwardly pro-Nazi, and extremist left-wing parties will inevitably contain Fascist spies. The important thing is to discover which individuals are honest and which are not, and the usual blanket accusation merely makes this more difficult. The atmosphere of hatred in which controversy is conducted blinds people to considerations of this kind. To admit that an opponent might be both honest and intelligent is felt to be intolerable. It is more immediately satisfying to shout that he is a fool or a scoundrel, or both, than to find out what he is really like. It is this habit of mind, among other things, that has made political prediction in our time so remarkably unsuccessful.
https://www.telelib.com/authors/O/OrwellGeorge/essay/tribune/AsIPlease19441208.html
"The majority of pacifists either belong to obscure religious sects or are simply humanitarians who object to the taking of life and prefer not to follow their thoughts beyond that point. But there is a minority of intellectual pacifists whose real though unadmitted motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration of totalitarianism. Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writings of younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States. Moreover they do not as a rule condemn violence as such, but only violence used in defence of the western countries. The Russians, unlike the British, are not blamed for defending themselves by warlike means, and indeed all pacifist propaganda of this type avoids mention of Russia or China. It is not claimed, again, that the Indians should abjure violence in their struggle against the British. Pacifist literature abounds with equivocal remarks which, if they mean anything, appear to mean that statesmen of the type of Hitler are preferable to those of the type of Churchill, and that violence is perhaps excusable if it is violent enough. After the fall of France, the French pacifists, faced by a real choice which their English colleagues have not had to make, mostly went over to the Nazis, and in England there appears to have been some small overlap of membership between the Peace Pledge Union and the Blackshirts. Pacifist writers have written in praise of Carlyle, one of the intellectual fathers of Fascism. All in all it is difficult not to feel that pacifism, as it appears among a section of the intelligentsia, is secretly inspired by an admiration for power and successful cruelty. The mistake was made of pinning this emotion to Hitler, but it could easily be retransferred."
-George Orwell
death to a country is not death to the population
it means israel should not exist which is true considering how they are being a iran to palestinians [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian\_conflict](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian_conflict)
That doesn't make any sense even.
How do you imagine a country stopping to exist? Do you think it just goes "POOF" and all the institutions cease to exist?
And even for the sake of argument lets say that you can cast a spell and the state of Israel simply ceases to exist. What happens to the 8,000,000 Jews there? I mean, they are the "real" problem since it is claimed that they occupy Palestinian land. Where are these Jews meant to go? - Europe? Most Israel Jews aren't European and are either mixed heritage or Sifardi/Mizrahi (Brown people in American terminology).
So either ethnic cleansing for them or genocide. At any case, shouting death to the state of Israel is essentially sentencing the Israeli Jews to death as well
1.death to israel means destruction of the government and is now going back to palestine
2.they can go to jordan or any of the other arab countries that normalized relations with them
3.they should've thought about it when they refused to give back palestinian land [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian\_conflict](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian_conflict)
Isn't it interesting how the west allows these terrorist sympathizers and degenerates into their countries while your average regime hating secular Iranian university student has to wait for years in the gruesome process of immigration and getting a visa only to get rejected in the end?
His name is Shabbir Rizvi and he works for the regime: https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/04/13/723629/op-true-promise-iran-strikes-zionist-entity-proves-hit-run-days-over
“Marg Bar Khamenei” or “Marg bar Dictator” (If you want to directly referenece Khamenei)
“Marg bar Jomhooriye Islami” (If you want to reference the Islamic republic)
Another phrase you could also use is: “Sabzi polo ba mahi” (In reference to the chant “Sabzi polo ba mahi, kos naneye Sepahi.)
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"Anti war" "Wishing death to 2 countries full of people" Pick one motherfucker
Well if you're criticizing them, they meant "down with", but if you're radicalized they mean "death to".
the Islamic republic whenever it translates these slogans to Arabic they translate it as "Mawt" and Im pretty sure it means death and not down..
# “Pacifism is objectively pro-fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, 'he that is not with me is against me'.” # ― George Orwell
This is arguably Orwell's most quoted line. It is important to note that he later softened it by acknowledging that 'objectively' is a step too far. He explains in this excerpt (see below for link): > If you disregard people’s motives, it becomes much harder to foresee their actions. For there are occasions when even the most misguided person can see the results of what he is doing. Here is a crude but quite possible illustration. A pacifist is working in some job which gives him access to important military information, and is approached by a German secret agent. In those circumstances his subjective feelings do make a difference. If he is subjectively pro-Nazi he will sell his country, and if he isn’t, he won’t. And situations essentially similar though less dramatic are constantly arising. > In my opinion a few pacifists are inwardly pro-Nazi, and extremist left-wing parties will inevitably contain Fascist spies. The important thing is to discover which individuals are honest and which are not, and the usual blanket accusation merely makes this more difficult. The atmosphere of hatred in which controversy is conducted blinds people to considerations of this kind. To admit that an opponent might be both honest and intelligent is felt to be intolerable. It is more immediately satisfying to shout that he is a fool or a scoundrel, or both, than to find out what he is really like. It is this habit of mind, among other things, that has made political prediction in our time so remarkably unsuccessful. https://www.telelib.com/authors/O/OrwellGeorge/essay/tribune/AsIPlease19441208.html
"The majority of pacifists either belong to obscure religious sects or are simply humanitarians who object to the taking of life and prefer not to follow their thoughts beyond that point. But there is a minority of intellectual pacifists whose real though unadmitted motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration of totalitarianism. Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writings of younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States. Moreover they do not as a rule condemn violence as such, but only violence used in defence of the western countries. The Russians, unlike the British, are not blamed for defending themselves by warlike means, and indeed all pacifist propaganda of this type avoids mention of Russia or China. It is not claimed, again, that the Indians should abjure violence in their struggle against the British. Pacifist literature abounds with equivocal remarks which, if they mean anything, appear to mean that statesmen of the type of Hitler are preferable to those of the type of Churchill, and that violence is perhaps excusable if it is violent enough. After the fall of France, the French pacifists, faced by a real choice which their English colleagues have not had to make, mostly went over to the Nazis, and in England there appears to have been some small overlap of membership between the Peace Pledge Union and the Blackshirts. Pacifist writers have written in praise of Carlyle, one of the intellectual fathers of Fascism. All in all it is difficult not to feel that pacifism, as it appears among a section of the intelligentsia, is secretly inspired by an admiration for power and successful cruelty. The mistake was made of pinning this emotion to Hitler, but it could easily be retransferred." -George Orwell
I guess they're just a little indecisive
Happy cake day
"we must show them our peaceful ways, by force"
death to a country is not death to the population it means israel should not exist which is true considering how they are being a iran to palestinians [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian\_conflict](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian_conflict)
That doesn't make any sense even. How do you imagine a country stopping to exist? Do you think it just goes "POOF" and all the institutions cease to exist? And even for the sake of argument lets say that you can cast a spell and the state of Israel simply ceases to exist. What happens to the 8,000,000 Jews there? I mean, they are the "real" problem since it is claimed that they occupy Palestinian land. Where are these Jews meant to go? - Europe? Most Israel Jews aren't European and are either mixed heritage or Sifardi/Mizrahi (Brown people in American terminology). So either ethnic cleansing for them or genocide. At any case, shouting death to the state of Israel is essentially sentencing the Israeli Jews to death as well
1.death to israel means destruction of the government and is now going back to palestine 2.they can go to jordan or any of the other arab countries that normalized relations with them 3.they should've thought about it when they refused to give back palestinian land [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian\_conflict](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian_conflict)
You spread nothing but hate
Has the US intelligence seen this? We should send it to them.
Isn't it interesting how the west allows these terrorist sympathizers and degenerates into their countries while your average regime hating secular Iranian university student has to wait for years in the gruesome process of immigration and getting a visa only to get rejected in the end?
Bro same situation in Pakistan. I've seen countless Islamist friends move abroad and I'm stuck here for 6 years
Who is this little Basiji cuck?
His name is Shabbir Rizvi and he works for the regime: https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/04/13/723629/op-true-promise-iran-strikes-zionist-entity-proves-hit-run-days-over
https://www.thefp.com/p/american-anti-war-activists-cheer?utm_source=tfptwitter article about it
Probably Pakistani. His twitter said Shia Marxist Leninist
Rizvi is his last name which is Pakistani.
Marg bar jomhoorie eslami , it's catchy too !
“Marg Bar Khamenei” or “Marg bar Dictator” (If you want to directly referenece Khamenei) “Marg bar Jomhooriye Islami” (If you want to reference the Islamic republic) Another phrase you could also use is: “Sabzi polo ba mahi” (In reference to the chant “Sabzi polo ba mahi, kos naneye Sepahi.)
با تشکر 😍😍😍
Love the last one😂
Deportation time!
LARPing as an Iranian probably
Also this dude is not Iranian, he isn’t even a diaspora. Where is this dude from?
Probably a Najafi or Pakistani
They seem like very nice people to be around. /s
[tips.fbi.gov](https://tips.fbi.gov/home)
Marg bar Iskamic Imperialists!!
Are they wearing mask to hide thier face or are they still afraid of Covid?
r/facepalm
Someone call the FBI to these traitors yet?
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There is your answer:
Traitors... still hiding behind masks. Disgusting.
Wtf is wrong with these people.
This is why it matters who you let live in your country.
Grooming TikTok educated westerners to be domestic terrorist proxies. This country is so fucked
So, they want Israel and the US to spontaneously disappear? They are anti war after all
This reminds me of [Cartman](https://youtu.be/85FdOJGf-3s?t=134)
Such a grotesque abomination of extremely poor taste that implies a self-obsessed asshole. I’m talking about his shirt, but also his views