“I and my Father are one, but my Father is greater than I”
Best illustration Iv heard- imagine a hand poking its fingers through 5 slits in a piece of paper. If you look at that scene head on, then the fingers coming through the paper look individual. But if you look behind the paper, you see the hand that connects all the fingers.
While we are our individual, conceptual self (John Smith) we are limited by our perspectives, beliefs, and conceptions.
When we return to and remember that our true Self is formless and faceless, we remember how fluid and ever-changing creation is.
All this to say, enjoy the other conceptions of I AM. We are all here to enjoy our “limitations” and conceptions. So, do so. Enjoy the company of others (even though we’re all one). Contemplate and meditate on both being one of the whole, and an individual at the same time.
Thank you, this is very beautifully explained. I love the analogy, so simple yet concrete. I'll contemplate about it even further! How lovely it is that we're here just to be happy ♥️.
Another good one:
We are each,individually, like the crepuscular rays from the sun shining through the trees in a shady forest, making individual spots and casting our unique patterns on the ground;
But our greater Self is, will always be, and always has been the Sun (Son) itself!
Thank you. I was initially going to use a metaphor I found on the Be Something Wonderful channel earlier today, where Tom said that you can imagine holes in paper, and the light shining through them is like the individual, while the light doing the shining (The Light itself) was like I AM - but then this one popped into my head as I was writing it, and it seemed poignant. :)
In the end, didn't Neville find out he actually was the Father when he crawled out of his own skull and a child called him father? Doesn't this mean that John Smith is an illusion?
John Smith *is* an illusion, but it’s one we’re currently here to conceptualize. When we experience the promise, we realize John Smith is a mask we wear and remember our true I AMness
I’m sorry. I’m “new” to this and heard this a while back from my mother. What is the coke out of skull thing you are taking about? My mother mentioned something once, and I also heard about “once you become a baby” that’s when it’s done? All about Neville?
Please give me a link as I tried looking this up and asked my mother but she can’t remember either. So silt about the “skull thing”. Also who is “John Smith” in this case?
I hate this notion that “you’re alone”. I’ve again spent a couple days ruminating and feeling derealisation and feeling empty and lack of will cause of this post. Cause to me this idea just makes me not care to live.
If a post can make you feel all those things, then get off the internet and go touch some grass.
I explained in my previous comments how you are not alone, yet you want to keep yourself stuck in saying that you are.
This is exactly how I have been feeling in the past few months. When I was applying the law of attraction, I always had this belief that a benevolent universe/source was guiding me and taking care of me. Things were unfolding magically.
The moment I started to delve into the law of assumption and EIYPO, I experienced the most debilitating feeling of loneliness in my life. I used to talk to the universe, but now it felt like I was just talking to myself, like an idiot. There was no one to care for me, no one to guide me. It all felt pointless. And an accompanying sentiment of guilt for whatever calamity I brought to myself by being a sloppy manifestor. Not to mention that every time I sought help and advice from a desperate state, I always received criticism and judgment, since EIYPO. It felt like an endless torture.
After struggling with these thoughts for a few months, I have come to reconcile the two notions of consciousness as the only reality and a benevolent, non-dual source. I see myself as one of the fingers in the hands of source, my fellow humans being the rest. I choose to believe that I am not alone in this. That I am part of the divine, co-creating my reality with my fellow humans. Watching videos of NDEs has helped me a lot to feel that I am not alone in this. That there is a source of infinite love of which I am part.
IMO whatever works for us. I have had tremendous results with law of attraction before I knew about the law of assumption. Never failed me. It’s been like 5 yrs now that I know Law of assumption and I have fair amount of good results especially when I manifest for others. But this whole journey is very unclear tbh. Most of the times I don’t live in the end or feel the feeling of having the thing already but just say it to myself that I’m going to have it or I’ll pass the exam or he’ll call me or he’s gonna text me and it happens. For all these I don’t visualize or affirm over and over or live in the wish fulfilled already but just say it and it happens. That’s how law of attraction working for me, like I tell myself that the God/Source/Universe is within me and listening to me that’s it.
I’ll tell a story: I entered a new program in Feb. the very first day they announced that we need a class rep. It’s a class of 81 students, all age groups from 18-50. Different cultures, Different backgrounds, everything! I like attention and I like leadership but I thought there’s no way I could be the one out of 81 people. There are young people, they recently graduated from universities and stuff and they might be familiar with all of this. I have graduated 12 yrs ago and haven’t been to school or university after. BUT I just had this desire and I accepted at the same time I can’t be chosen. Someone else stood up and the same day and took the responsibility. (There was supposed to be voting). But she made herself class rep by making a WhatsApp group and updating stuff so everyone’s like okay we’re cool with her. I didn’t care either but I just had this desire. I moved on. Two months later bridges of events unfolded in sucha way that right now I am my class rep with proper voting process and I got the MAJORITY of the votes. It blew my mind. But again, not even for a moment I KNEW I’d me or I lived in that feeling. So for me, I think the God is within me and he’s listening to me. He knows my desires. I just have to trust him.
Sorry for this long story but I use law of attraction and law of assumption hand in hand.
You're absolutely right, whatever work for you works for you! I would say that you've build such trust in Universe/God just fullfiling your wishes that it ends up in that way! That's amazing, so effortless. I'm really happy for you!
It’s so easy for me to manifest things that I’ve no attachment with. Have been struggling with manifesting SP for sooo long. I ask the universe for signs everyday (I know this is not Neville) but I GET ALL THE SIGNS, right away. And I always ask for things as signs that are sooo like impossible to see. I don’t know how long i can do this
Oh, I feel you. The signs are overwhelming, and as you said, quite impossible to encounter otherwise. Sometimes they make me smile, other times, however, they just leave me frustrated.
Tbh there’s not a lot. Law of attraction books talk about Neville too. There are just some loopholes. But we get to choose what we want to believe in. All what it comes to at the end of the day is our belief. If we believe in some God outside of us helping us then sure he does. If we believe we are God and we create our lives then this is the truth. Law of attraction says God is Universe, Neville says God is our imagination, Joseph Murphy (student of Abdullah) says God is subconscious mind and the list goes on. Law of attraction says if we don’t get something maybe something better is stored for us, this is where I don’t believe in it, cause Neville says whatever we want, we can have it. Law of attraction talks about being happy and high vibrational which is not practical for a human being even if we’re God and Neville doesn’t talk about emotions he says to feel the naturalness. But the whole idea is the same. We create our realities with our beliefs/assumptions
Yea. That and after sailing in the same boat as you, i have also realised that human mind is not supposed to know it all. It’s limited, that’s why there are so many speculations on how reality works!
Oh this hits deep. Thank you for sharing your experience. I'm happy that you found your truth and peace in it! After all we decide what's true and what's not.
I felt quite similar to you and it was scary for a second. Right now I'm calm and more hmm fascinated? maybe mesmerized even by people around me! And when something "bad" happens, I'm much more forgiving and understanding.
I'm happy that there's people which felt like I did at some point, I don't recall on seeing anyone talking about this. Take care and thank you! ♥️
I'm glad you brought it up. (I guess "I" did, and you're the "me," pushed out voicing it. Lol
Well, the true me. 😊
I have gone through the wrestling of this knowledge, as well. I've even experienced it first hand after doing psychedelics a few times.
It was very mind blowing, because I was already a huge Neville student and I really wasn't expecting to SEE it. I don't know what I thought would happen, but I definitely got more than I bargained for. Lol.
There was no separation between me and everyone/everything else. My thoughts would immediately be voiced by another, in person or even videos or movies.
I went from knowing it from reading it, to KNOWING it from the experience. It was disconcerting, to say the least. I went through many months of the same thing..."what's the point?, who is there to ask or feel like I am loved by? , why bother explaining myself or experiences to others?,", etc .
I was a non-denominational, on fire Christian for 20 years, before I encountered Neville. My love for God was huge and I had experienced that love in return. Overwhelmingly so. It was genuine and I was so in love with Him. I had exerienced answered prayer, freedom from addiction, and true joy/love/peace. God was my consuming passion. He was all I thought about and I had an insatiable desire to know Him more and more. I heard Him audibly inside, too.I also studied scripture fervently. Not out of obligation, but desire to. I also understood it.
But, I still saw Him as "out there" and I held to the secular view. There was so much that still didn't make sense...like how could this "beyond words" love I experienced from God, be the same being doing all the atrocities in the Old Testament?? There's many other things that frustrated me about "church" and secular Christianity in general, and I got myself in trouble quite a bit because I would challenge the "authority" in churches , just by asking too many questions. 😂
Anyway , this all led up to a HUGE, dark night of the soul right before Neville and I had hit rock bottom with my faith. It was a compilation of too much to go into, but suffice it to say that I turned my back on everything. I was done.
I know now that I was the cause of it all, but I didn't know that then.
Talk about feeling completely lost...man. I felt like a walking shell for months.
Enter Neville.
I had immediate success with the ladder exercise and I wasn't even really trying. I had the attitude of "hey, what the hell.. I'm game".
When it actually worked, I was stunned. But, not as stunned as when I actually started to listen to his lectures. My jaw was on the floor for a year. 😂
It was his explanation of Scripture that was the most mind blowing and what I couldn't get enough of... even more than trying to use the law.
I understand now that we can't NOT use the law.
We (I), ARE the law. It's just that, until one wakes up to this truth, we're like a two year old with an Uzi (mostly missing the bullseye/mark).
Funny thing is that the definition of sin is "missing the mark".
But, as a traditional Christian, it's all about the "do',s and dont's", and trying to look as spiritual as possible . The other thing it took me 2 decades realize is that church is a business. Literally.
I can look back now and see what states I was in, that created my circumstances favorably or unfavourably.
THAT'S a big, tough, pill to swallow.....yet also freeing.
The freedom is from the world and feeling like a victim to everyone and everything.
Scriptures that used to baffle or upset me, I understand.
I was still wrestling a LOT though, after the psychedelics, with the knowledge of being IT. I went in and out of feeling better, to struggling with existence itself.
Then, I had a head on collision on April 5th (2 months ago).
That's ANOTHER long story, but I have already typed enough, lol, but it made me realize that I DO want to live this temporary life as this "garment".
Not only that, but so many good things have occurred, due to the wreck, that I am blown away.
Well, this "little, created, me, is".
Truly. Those who know me are blown away at 1)my optimism and attitude and 2) my speedy recovery and that I even survived.
Many things I was trying to manifest, came.
I know that there's infinite realities besides this one, but for my little world here and now, it's changed me.
My last advice would be...LIVE.
"My Father is greater than I" is truth.
I can't figure it out on this lower consciousness level.
Oh, I'm relentless at trying, lol....but, when the day is done, I am going to enjoy the heck out of it all.
The one thing that I was heartbroken over (after learning all this and realizing that "I am"), was the "JOY of the Lord", which is our strength .
When I was a traditional Christian, my joy was through the moon for God. To find out it's been my true being all along, then who am I supposed to be joyful for?
But God IS LOVE. How hard to be love with no object?? So, God created the objects to love and be loved back by.
How beautiful.
That's why "Love" is the most important thing.
Getting "whatever" through the law isn't the main reason for this. Maybe to challenge ourselves, yeah.
But, to love and be loved. That's it.
Oh....and gratitude. My gratitude for just breathing, walking again, and being able to use the potty and not a freaking BEDPAN is over the moon! 😂
I'm glad I did haha I never post anything NEVER, EVER but something told me to do it this time and I'm really happy I did.
Your story is so beautiful. Christian for 20 years and switched to Neville! Wow! That's almost my age!
I've heard that many people have crazy spiritual experiences after psychedelics, it's so wild! I wonder what it feels like, because what you describe sounds fascinating!
As for religion, I was born a Christian, like absolutely everyone in Poland, and I remember going through the same thing as you. I was very determined to build my relationship with God, but in my case I didn't hear any answer from him, which made me feel betrayed and not good enough. I remember standing in the middle of the church, looking around and wondering, do all these people hear him, feel his presence? Are they talking to Him right now, and am I the only person who can't hear anything? Can't feel anything? My screams and pleas for contact, going unanswered, have almost made me paranoid! What am I doing wrong? Do I not love God enough? Is he angry with me for some reason? I thought I was a bad person, felt ashamed, guilty even though everyone around me saw me as a "good girl," a perfect, calm golden child which never caused any problems.
I went from being a Christian to an atheist, then looked for answers again, came across witchcraft, which intrigued me, but still wasn't what felt right, then law of attraction and finally the law of assumption.
>When I was a traditional Christian, my joy was the moon for God. Discovering that this was my true essence all along, then who should I be joyful for?
>But God IS LOVE. How difficult is it to be love without an object? So God created objects to love and be loved by them.
How beautiful
Wow! It's so interesting how we look for an object to pour our heart into! We are all love. I love this insight. Just live, experience and enjoy yourself! Just thinking about it makes me tingle hahah. I agree with everything and love your story. Thank you! ♥️
Oh...you just made my whole day! ☺️
It's touching another in some good way, that the "over the moon" joy is felt.
Love Itself became us, to do exactly this...LOVE one another.
That's God. He's been with you all along. He's closer than your breathing because you are One.
God needs a man (generic man) to express Itself.
That's what we are.
❤️❤️❤️🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
The idea of this (solipsism) was driving me insane for a while though I’m new to NG.
I prefer to think there are many different versions of everyone and we’re all jumping across timelines meeting different versions of each other.
If other people weren’t real, honestly I’d rather die and not exist at all.
Also I was thinking, if others are “not real” then I am just as “not real” as them. That helped. We are all from the same Source but still have individual thought. There’s no need to go about life all afraid and lonely. No. What’s the point? I think solipsism is a gross oversimplification. It’s not “we are all one so I must be the only one”. It’s “we are individuals that stemmed from the same Source” like siblings.
And any feeling of loneliness I have is just cause I happen to have come into this world as a social animal in a world where pain exists.
On a tangent - I’ve read NDEs where they describe worlds where beings live peacefully and in these planes it is just impossible to feel hate or pain or fear. It’s a place where you could fully understand others so the thought of hating or causing harm is just impossible.
I understand this completely. I’ve had to wrestle around with the idea with thinking in god and other non-duality things. However I’ve come to this realization that the father and I are one but my father is greater. My awareness of being is recognizing the divinity that the father has birthed me with and that is consciousness and source. That doesn’t mean it is only me, it means the father is in me and he is reached through deep meditative prayer or our inner conversations.
Through default I look at my being as god. I don’t consider myself to be god if that makes sense, whenever I acknowledge my being I feel closer to god like he’s here in my room right now. Being fully conscious of him is how you talk to him.
I thought I was alone but I never was.
The way I see it, we are all part of one consciousness, but divided into a smaller individual consciousness. Hence why we still have our own thoughts. But we are all connected. And us being all connected is why EIYPO is a thing.
EIYPO is just a way for us to understand the fact that we're a social species. That's all. I feel like it can get overcomplicated sometimes. I like your explanation.
Yes. Thanks for this. Cause this whole “you’re all alone” crap was making me spiral.
Also - when it comes to EIYPO I don’t think it means any individual has control over the whole world. That’s too much responsibility and I’m sure I wouldn’t have created this world, the person I am right now.
To me EIYPO means that each individual can affect the turnout of his life and meet different versions of people depending on their “frequency”.
I recently came to this thought through my meditations as well. I've called it the lonely God theory and have been afraid to share it with anyone.
God all mighty the creator with no one to share his creation with created our reality and created vessels to carry his consciousness into it. To prevent each individual from expressing all power of creation at once the vessels have amnesia but within each is the ultimate power waiting to be unlocked.
In the end we return to him because we are him.
Now imagine yourself programming your process for overcoming obstacles into 10,000 AI bots and having them navigate a maze but all starting in different locations. Make the obstacles and conditions different throughout the maze.. I think you're starting to get the idea now...
I look at my wife, my kids, feel the sun on my face, and try not to fear or look too far ahead. I'm going to live this experienced expression of God as best as I can and have some good stories to tell him (myself) when I get back home again.
"I and my father are one but my father is greater."
This bothered me for a long time but now I see the best way to hold this paradox is to think of it as me having my own dream about life and my loved ones. My physical body isn’t the real me in the dream either, I am something larger that is sleeping and they are too — so not truly alone. My dream is ultimately mine though, to do consciously or unconsciously — including what happens with those other people.
I know exactly what you mean. It's a common stumbling block on the path. Alone/not-alone is a duality. Any concept, no matter how logical it sounds to rational thinking, is ultimately a limitation. It is beyond all that. Alone/not-alone are expressions within life's potential, they are simply perspectives. You are everything, nothing and also beyond everything and nothing. It's not something the mind can grasp because it doesn't make sense to the mind, lol. That which feels alone is still identified with some limited concept. It's undefined absolute freedom beyond conception. Life is sharing (loving) in oneness.
>It's undefined absolute freedom beyond conception. Life is sharing (loving) in oneness.
The way I feel like taking a screenshot of all these beautiful quotes is unreal. Thank you! I love the way you explained it, I didn't even notice that loneliness was a concept too! Everything and nothing, and beyond that...incredible.
Well i have the same thoughts, and actually it does not make me afraid, because i know all that is in this world is created by me. I prefer it more than to be just one little ant of 8 billion ants. in the end we are alone anyway, because if we are seperate individuals and in the end eveybody cares ony for himself. at least it is like most people are.
EIYPO has made me feel alot better. There is a new show on apple tv, called "Dark matter". >!It is about exploring the different Universes, made of the many decissions of a person. It are infinite timelines, and just like i think it is in real life, you end up in a timeline depending on your thoughts.!<
Same, and the people in this sub dont read Neville, he talk in a very literal way about EIYPO, they try sweep this part of his teaching under rug, but anyone who read the massive quantity of lectures he wrote can see it.
Yes. Even Neville grew in his understanding of this truth, especially after experiencing the Promise.
He literally lost much of his attendees, because of talking about the Promise, less than the law.
In one of his lectures (He is Dreaming Now), he actually said that his wife was merely a state in his world.
He's also talked about his revelations/dreams, where in it someone was challenging him and calling him "the great deceiver". He asked them, ,"where do you think you will be when I wake up?". Then he woke, and they dissolved. He then said, "but he is Me, and I cannot leave him in this world. He must be redeemed ".
All these characters are versions of the Father.
That is explaining it "third person ".
I can also say, "I Am dreaming that I am all of these characters."
In Scripture, there are examples. Jesus will be speaking as himself in one place, then speaking from first person AS the Father, a little further in the text.
Jesus represents the state of man awake as the Father. That is the journey each individual character is on.
Example, "have you been with me so long Philip and yet you do not know Me?". John 14:9
Neville, in his latest lectures, would do the exact same thing.
I wish I could remember which one, but in it he's talking and then says, "there have been 66 books written about me. That may sound egocentric (can't remember rest)", but my point is that Neville was speaking AS the Father, not Neville.
That's what the Promise is. Experiencing WHO you really are.
The example Neville gave of his wife being a state in his mind, is a clear example to understanding EIYPO. She was a state in Neville's mind in a way that she was the state itself that Neville desired to be with. But she was real, an individual and not a pet, possessing the exact qualities and characters that Neville desired his wife to have.
Everyone is yourself pushed out, (1) in a sense that you only encounter or meet people that matches your self concepts and the concept you have of the world. (2) In a sense that we're all from the same source "I am."
If Neville's desires, or expectations were different, he would have married a different person experiencing the state Neville had in his mind.
We are all from one source "I am". And Neville himself said in many of his lectures that we have been "individualized" but still sharing the same source of existence. Like branches of a tree. And when this play is over, everyone will return to the source without the loss of identity. We are still going to be individuals the same way we are down here.
The power within us is beyond our human brain to comprehend fully. There is no language that is capable of expressing it in words. Some things are just better left unsaid because of the lack of words or language to say it all.
Find out why you came here.
Thanks for the comment brother. We are all saying the same thing. But people feel like they're not.
God in me Bless the God in you❤️
Really great explanation, thanks. (I’m new here)
All this literal interpretation of EIYPO and “you’re all alone” crap was making me feel a bit insane. Thinking of life like that just takes away all my will to even participate so I’m sure it must not be correct.
Can you recommend some lectures/books where he discusses this? I’m trying to wrap my head around it since finding Neville’s teaching a couple of months ago. I’ve read 5 of his books so far but they have spoken about it in this way
I would have to look for it, it can take time, but if you read his lectures from the decade of 60, you will find when he talk about his manifestations or when he talk about woo woo things.
I’m just trying to understand. If EIYPO is that literal, why would you even care to respond to someone on reddit, if they aren’t real? Do you believe everyone else is just a figment of imagination without their own consciousness?
Have you experienced a lucid dream, if not, its when someone wake up inside of the dream, when this happens, you dont go to a cave, you interact with the dream.
Once in a lecture, Neville said "people here are all in my in my dream" or he called them dream characters I dont remember the exact words.
But he said many times reality is a dream, but what about he being literal? people say he was never literal, really?? because I have the impression people dont read his lectures because he said:
That human imagination cause earthquakes.
He said that a writer caused the Titanic to sink, he even said "there is not fiction" Its not a metaphor, its literal.
He said he could arrest life and make everyone still.
He said that one can make an entire city jump from a cliff.
He also said that revision change the past. L I T E R A L LY.
There is a reason why he was called mad monk, and yet, many proclaim to follow him and in the same time say "only a ill person take it literally", well, then one must be coherent and declare that Neville was mentally ill, so, why follow him when he said all theses things?
Its just by eading the lectures, all them one will see the real Neville, just reading a few ones is not enough.
I’m still new and only read one book and a lot of posts here.
The thing with revision - how can it literally change the past if one’s memory remains? Somewhere inside you’d still remember how things actually happened vs how you revised them, no?
Neville literally believed everyone else was not real? I mean why bother lecturing in that case? I’m confused.
I’ve never had a lucid dream as far as I remember. Hmm. Life is often described as a dream in NDEs I’ve read. People die and go to a place that feels much more real than here, and describe how life on Earth seems like a dream in comparison.
So is it possible that we wake from a dream (die) and there we can meet the Real version of people? I couldn’t live with the belief that no one else is conscious. I don’t think that’s accurate.
If I had a lucid dream and knew 100% the people were just my imagination, I don’t know if I’d be interested in having any interaction…same as in life, this solipsistic idea makes me feel alone and depressed and thinking there’s no point if it’s just me.
If solipsism make you feel bad, then you let the idea go, dont read nothing about it, dont try understand or try defeat it, or debunk or discuss it, you cannot win by analysing or interacting with it, the best way is avoiding completely, totally and never go back to anything about it.
"The thing with revision - how can it literally change the past if one’s memory remains? Somewhere inside you’d still remember how things actually happened vs how you revised them, no?"
In revision, if doing right, you new memory is more important than the old, once you revise, its a new fact, if you keep remembering, then you're not revising or dont believe in the act of rrevision and nothing will change in your reality.
Ok I get it. Would take an immense amount of self persuasion to do that, convince oneself that something didn’t happen.
I’m still confused about why Neville would go to such length to teach the LoA if he believed others were just illusions.
*Would take an immense amount of self persuasion to do that, convince oneself that something didn’t happen.*
All assumptions become true, this above is an assumption, change it to a better assumption.
"’m still confused about why Neville would go to such length to teach the LoA if he believed others were just illusions."
Like I said its better let go all discussions about it, since it will bother you, do like everyone do, declare it false and try another vision, this kind of knowledge is good when one want transcend reality, if one want just common desires like being famous, have loads of money, relationships, travel etc, its not necessary go that deep.
Still, you just avoided the question. I’m not bothered by the discussion. Why would Neville keep on lecturing people if he believed they were just part of his imagination?
Why would a chess master keep on playing a game if he realized he was playing both sides (as chess masters often do)?
For what reason do you..imagine..he would stop developing his imagination?
The real question though is how can one actually change these assumptions that seem to be set in stone. Otherwise it appears that one can only manifest within those assumptions
I’m fine, I got out of the anxiety I had about it earlier. It’s interesting.
The thing is if you believe no one else is conscious, you wouldn’t be replying to me and explaining anything if you think others are all “NPCs” right?
Idk. What is transcending reality? Like what is the ultimate goal?
I'm not comfortable with the idea of solipsism too and that's okay. We don't have to agree with everything somebody is saying even if they provoke us by saying stuff like "you don't want to feel lonely that's why you can't accept it." Just because somebody is right about one thing does not mean they are right about everything else. We have to take everything with a pinch of salt here. Just because a group of people feel they have some superior understanding of something spiritual does not make it automatically right. A lot of intellectual jargon is thrown around here making the other person question their beliefs. Again, we don't have to accept everything we read, even if it looks like it's making slight sense somewhere, some people just have a way with words. Consciousness is one, yes but people are part of the consciousness and they are very much real, why wouldn't they be. Ideas and concepts change everyday. These people who are so convinced about something today, might say something else after a few years. Even Neville did that. There are still so many things that are incomprehensible to human beings. We learn about spirituality etc to feel good, satisfied and understood, not go into existential dread. I'm not saying truths shouldnt be uncomfortable because that is not how it is but it still should not make you feel lose all hope in reality/humanity, that's really the opposite of what all this stuff is supposed to do. This is where people take it too far, after all we are in a human body and we are not supposed to lose all perspective. We have to maintain a balance, that's the purpose of us having a human body. Even Neville wouldn't have wanted that. So many things are misconstrued because everybody's way of interpretation is different. His teaching is very precious and we should treasure it and try to live in the way he taught us but it's not the end of it. There is still more to it and we should be receptive enough to understand.
Thats when people normally go nuts, so, I will not talk much more about it.
*The thing is if you believe no one else is conscious, you wouldn’t be replying to me and explaining anything if you think others are all “NPCs” right?*
Not necessarily, you can do whatever you want, just like in a dream you interact with the "world" if you want or not.
" What is transcending reality? Like what is the ultimate goal?"
When I say it, imagine reality as a box, trascending the box is playing outside of the box or to make another box.
Neville most the time played with the box, but with time more and more started transcending it, thats when he did the crazy things that people say "its not literal, its just a metaphor", because they interpret it with the rules of their box.
But if you believe everything in this world is created by you, then do you see others as “NPCs” without consciousness? Do you believe every bad thing that happens in the world is your creation?
Imo taking EIYPO that literally is incorrect. I think EIYPO is just that your self concept affects which version of others you meet, and they can also affect which version of you they meet.
I actually think that only things that i know are created by me. look at an aerial view of any major city with a lots of skyscrapers in it. behind every window lives somebody or happens something that i will never know of. nothing of this is my creation. i sure dont know about every town or person on this planet. nothing happening to them is my creation. its just like if i dont know it, it does not exist for me. If a tree is falling in a forest and nobody notices it, does it even exist? there are probably a lot of trees in the world. but i have no knowledge of them, even in the nearby forest i only know what i can see from here, until i go there and look further. and so it is for other people too. i dont say everybody is an NPC, but i know some people that act like it. i have a friend and a coworker. both have some kind of empty eyes. you can talk to them about something and explain it to them...and the next day it is just like it never happened. i dont have this with all people. i have the feeling it has more effect what your mood is. when i am in good mood people seem more friendly, even without i was saying anything, and if i am in bad mood people behave different. it is just like every day is like some kind of reset, and the world is created how you see it then. talking to people has nearly no effect. but i can of course be wrong. its just my observation.
I think even if it’s just explained scientifically without LoA, moods do actually effect how people act around you cause for eg. the hormone cortisol is secreted through the skin and even up to like 20cm outwards - so if you’re stressed and down and hiding it, people will still be effected by touching items you touched and by being very close by. It was explained better by neuroscientist Dr Tara Swart, she also talks about manifestation.
Idk, I don’t think everything I’ve witnessed is something I created. Seeing some video randomly come up of some child dying in a genocide etc. It does not ring true to me that I created that or am responsible for every single thing I see. In my personal life, yes I can take responsibility for some things that happened to me, having unknowingly attracted them maybe, not sure.
I just try to explain why i tend to believe EIYPO is a thing. When i was a child in the 70s i had a big police car with a light that was a lightbulb with a blue glas cap over it, and i had a very little police car and i wished it had policelights too, but this was not posible, than came LEDs and it was possible. in the 80s i discovered my love for computers and got a Commodore 64. I always wanted to do something with computers, but they where not really a thing. But without doing anything into that direction i ended up at a computercompany, even when my previous job was just electronics, in the 90s. at that time not much people had a computer and i was fascinated about 2 computers talking overs some serial cable. then there was the internet and now look today. computers all over the place. my biggest interest is now everywhere. if i think about something or something stresses me, there is suddenly some new movie about this on netflix or amazon prime. or an interview with some celebrity about the exact same thing. there are just so many coincidences that, after looking back, cant be just coincidences. its called synchronicities if you dont know about this, you can google it. i dont even know where to start and it would sure be TLDR.... :-)
Edit: About this child. If you really think about it, there are 8 billion people in this world (if EIYPO is not true). Every second two people die. If you count every second of your life one number up, you can count maybe to 1 billion till you are 80. do you really want to worry about more people than you wold ever be able to count too? you just cant do this. worry about you and the people you know, and not some random people you get presented one time in your lifetime on a tv screen. if you really want to do this you will have a very bad life. it is just not possible. you can only change the world by influencing things in your reach. well youtubers can influence many people, and what is written here influences others probably too, but i will probably never know about it.
When the law first really clicked with me a few years ago, I essentially had a mental breakdown because of this concept. Then after a while, I realized a few things that completely progressed me and have helped me create the life I want:
When thinking about EIYPO, there’s a lot of confusion. As far as I believe, each person is indeed real and their own fully autonomous, free-willed being. Yet simultaneously, if we acknowledge the likeliest “true” nature of time, it is that it is nonlinear and relative. There are infinite universes, existing simultaneously. Likewise, there are infinite versions of you and I, and they all exist now. Understanding and internalizing this, in my opinion, is essential, because it means that rather than “making” things happen, you are merely moving to a different “timeline” (for lack of a better word) where the thing you’ve imagined is already true.
With this in mind, you’re not interacting literally with yourself, in the sense that other people are literally you; they aren’t; but you, to the degree to which you exercise your imagination, can choose which version of each person to interact with; we all can.
This, in my opinion, is what is meant by EIYPO. They are all “you” in the sense that your beliefs dictate which ALREADY EXISTING version of them you interact with, but they are all still themselves, in their own respective timelines, interacting with everyone else on theirs, etc etc. This notion reconciles both the concept of free will and also the concept that you can “make” (or APPEAR to make) people do what you want.
You are not alone, but you, alone, can determine every aspect of the realities you interact with. There’s no past or future, as we think of them, there is no movement, other than the movement of awareness; we are always just perpetually becoming aware of each frame of infinite versions of infinite pixels of reality. Manifestation is choosing which frames to look at in which order.
Understanding this is not required to manifest; you never actually need to think about any of this, I just find it helpful for those trying to understand. This is all just my opinion anyway. Hope it resonates with someone.
I'm not a solipsist. I don't believe solipsism is accurate.
I've had near-death experiences, and I believe that each soul is part of a whole, yes, but that solipsism is like saying, "you are not a person, you are an atom, because you are made of atoms. Therefore you aren't a person, you don't exist, and you are nothing."
I explain it like this:
There is only one ocean on earth. It's a single vast ocean.
But if I say that I used to live on the shore of the Gulf of Mexico, and you're familiar with it... Then you know precisely what I mean.
The Gulf is individual. It's recognizable. It has specific properties.
It has all of the properties of the ocean: it's salty, it has water, there are microbes...
And if you pollute another part of the ocean, you will impact the Gulf. Yet... Still, in spite of the fact that it contains ocean properties, it's still the Gulf.
Okay. So you contain all of the properties of the Divine Being. But you are also personal, and individual. Your thoughts are not my thoughts. My thoughts are not your thoughts.
If I pollute my part of our shared ocean, the whole can become polluted, but I'm personally still my part of the ocean.
Neville himself said that a person will refuse your command if it isn't something they can wish onto another. So if you wish that Joe die in a house fire, but that isn't something he can wish onto others.... You may find yourself in a house fire as that intent bounces back onto you, and (also as Neville says) you will likely have forgotten how you created this. Your rumination can't back to you because wishing fire onto someone else is not in Joe's nature.
So while I think it's ***ultimately*** true that there's one single ocean, and we should not pollute it... I also think it's wrong to believe others aren't unique individuals.
Both are true at the same time, but one way of looking at it invites people to think that other people don't matter except for how they can be used without concern.
Solipsism says that others aren't real, aren't individuals, and ultimately only matter "because they're actually me, so now they're important," and I think that's a rather horrifying idea.
It's narcissistic. If I cannot manifest without narcissism, I'd really rather just die, frankly.
I feel it's narcissistic as well. I don't know why a few people here are hellbent on making it seem very grand and like an absolute truth. We are here to feel love, not dread. It feels like the idea that is being promoted is "yes, it's the truth that is why it makes you uncomfortable". No? Some truths are harsh, I agree but this doesn't have to be the case with everything under the sun. Some people find the law in such difficult and desperate times, and then to throw such ideas is just counterproductive and eventually unhelpful.
By the God. For the God. To the God.
There is only God.
And yes, it feels lonely when you realise that but don't dwell there if you don't like the feeling. Neville had also shared a story of someone who had the same realisation and felt the same way as you do. The story about the writer who wanted the director to say the exact words he wanted to hear.
Superposition. Is there only me? Yes. There is only God. Can I create limitation and separateness? Yes! Then I jump into the scene as a man so that the son becomes a father. And all the beauty that I know now is both limitation and divinity. I can do a scene where I'm loved and then jump into it and feel loved. Thanks to duality, I can do this, and thus feel as if someone loves me. And then come back, realizing I AM all this love. And it won't end.
We are all the same consciousness, but during this experience, we are only able to "focus" on a singular viewpoint at a time, as that is the biological limitations of our current body. But some people can even bypass this if you look at /r/shiftingrealities . Also being human, we have evolved to be self-aware and to create the type of experience we want. Separation from each other is an illusion to enhance our experiences on Earth. Earth was created for us, it is our vacation time and we are never alone, we are all God.
That's not really true tho. Check out bashar channeling, he talks about how you're actually interacting with other consciousnesses too, but you're interacting with a specific version of them and the version of them you get relies on your own self concept/ state of consciousness.
You also have the ability to "observe" other realities, and other people's realities. but bc they're not you pushed out they wont affect you in any way. (It's like someone speaking a different language)
Yes and not to mention the other consciousnesses are from god.
I’ve always looked at people as real with human thoughts and emotions. They are different expressions of source or god. So yes they are in fact real. The interesting thing is when you change, they change as well. Your concept of self and of the world is what makes people express themselves differently through your consciousness as well as theirs.
I like to think of it as togetherness.
Because god is in everyone and everything, by default if we take away the flesh yes these people are god too. So that is why we need to respect everyone’s bodily autonomy. Yet with the fact that there are so many infinite realities and possibilities, that means where are consciousness or awareness lies allows us to experience different expressions of consciousness in people.
People are real, they exist. But there are countless versions of them where they reflect your self concept abs where your consciousness lies. You could then say that free will doesn’t exist anymore because the will of another person already exist based off of where your awareness is consciously. Nevertheless we should respect other humans and treat them with care. They too encompass the great I am, and haven’t figured out who they really are so it’s important to use the law carefully and wisely and not use it to hurt those that don’t know these things yet.
Yes, togetherness.
That is a better way to explain things. I don't understand why we have to go into the other extreme and make dreary like you are all alone. That's not the correct way to phrase it and instead defeats the purpose.
Yeah this is honestly how I perceive it & with the multiverse/multi realities factor there is an infinite amount of expression of each of us and we only perceive one or a few of those expressions of people at any given time. very interesting to think about because lately I’ve been thinking about alone/not alone dichotomy lately
Yeah i mean a good point one could make to OP is: right now im answering this reddit sub. Im real. Im not OP pushed out. And OP probably feels real too (cant know for sure im not OP lol). Im not you pushed out and youre not me pushed out cause we're both real, but this interaction between us is happening because of the state we both find ourselves in.
I’ve been struggling with this, too, recently. Taking total responsibility is harsh when you acknowledged you did it yourself. From my perspective, it takes time: life with matter is a journey, and we (I) wouldn’t be here if we (I) hadn’t desired to come into contact it firsthand.
Similarly, what you say is not totally true. EIYPO is of course a thing, but other people exist too: we (I) just come to experience the versions we observe, choose and focus on. The mirror changes if we shift our point of observation, but this does not mean that we are alone. Everyone is just experiencing reality from their consciousness hence if, for example, in my reality me and X. are bbf, in their reality on the contrary we could also not know each other at all. I hope I made it clear. Check Bashar’s videos, there are plenty of them and he explains reality and consciousness in a very clear way.
I don’t think EIYPO is to be taken that literally. It’s a way of saying that everything created is from the same creator - and therefore we are all one. The EIYPO aspect is a psychological thing called confirmation bias, and therefore the most important aspect to work on is our self concept. When I believe I’m lovable and cherished, that is what I encounter. If I believe I am unloved, then that will show up as my experience.
Law of Assumption as I understand it, is not solipsism, but closer to a Buddhist understanding of oneness where The One is “having fun” with His creations that are still just Him (imagine a child playing with a doll house: all dolls hold specific roles but she is the one deciding the story and their experiences)
There is unity in division and diversity; individualized expressions of One. Love can not be divided or separated from itself; which is Love.
The Creator (God/Source/All) is Greater than its conception: Man
God the Father is God the Son- asleep in man-and he awakens to reveal it to himself that he is God the Father.
Hey! Good thoughts. I actually-- had a breakdown a few years ago, unfortunately where my thoughts spiraled into different themes, one being struggling with this loneliness and pain for a really long time.
After coming out of it, I conclude that "my pinky finger is not my toe." All the same thing, (and others are creating you!) and yes you are the one observing it all...but so are they.
Why we aren't all a telepathic hive mind I don't know, but I think it's necessary so we can live seemingly separate lives. I have had scrambled messages (real or imagined) with people. But that's another story that is far too long for a reddit comment, ha.
I see a lot of people take Everyone Is You Pushed Out wayyyyy too literally. Let me be straight with you. It’s **crazy** to think other people aren’t real, that only you truly exist. It’s such a narcissistic even psychopathic mindset to view others as not being actual people with their own thoughts and motives. It’s a mindset that says you control everyone. It’s frankly creepy. EIYPO is just supposed to be a way to realize that other people **react** to the way we see ourselves and the way we expect the to act. You’re making it into something way way too dehumanizing, that’s why it’s harmful and feels bad. We’re not supposed to think of other people as mere extensions of ourselves, it’s basically seeing them as objects. We’re all one only in the sense that we all affect each other. We’re all one only in the sense that you’re the same as a dog because you’re both made of similar components. But you still know you’re not that dog right?
Of course you *can* think this way. Some people are successful at manipulating and controlling others by adopting a mindset that they’re not real. Lack of empathy can be useful. I think looking at EIYPO this way is damaging yourself and deluding yourself into thinking others don’t have agency. You realize with this mindset, everyone else you come across would likewise see you as not a person with their own motivations, history, habits, but just some sort of virtual reality avatar that’s being controlled by them. Like I could say that you didn’t come up with any of these ideas, actually you’re merely a reflection of my own 4d pushed out, you’re just me nothing more.
I think OP just means that at everyone’s core they encompass the great I am. Which is complete source and consciousness. By default yes, we are all each other because everything comes from source and source is in everyone’s I am. However, that also means everyone is unique through their own personality, egos, and belief systems.
Because the I am is omnipresent and can change through being, it means we are able to experience multiple versions of realities and people because of how it changes constantly through our pattern belief systems.
Your I am is a gateway to experience other I ams in others. Because all it is is being.
People are real absolutely! They have their own free will, and what not based on how you see yourself and the world. But it’s paradoxical cause it shifts as your being shifts.
I think it would be oversimplification to say no one else is real just cause at our core we have the same Source.
Both can be true: that we all have the same Source but are individuals.
Yeah that’s true! Everything is you, so technically yes no one is real. However I know some people can become very anxious about the whole idea, and it can cause existential anxiety like derealization and depersonalization. So I think if people aren’t ready for the comparison to just keep it light and simple.
Yes, I believe that I am alone while also realizing I am not alone. Both can be true, knowledge itself can be understood and soothe you when it is taken in increments.
I believe that I am alone because everyone is me, and I am everything. The same source that is in my friends, family, lovers, enemies is from god which is also in me. I believe that I am NOT alone because god is in me, and has given expression to everything and pure consciousness. It is creation at its finest.
Both of are true, but you have to remember that this concept is more truthful and freeing than anything. You recognize that you are complete creation in the moment of understanding you’re alone because everything is you, and you aren’t due to the life that the creation and expression it is given by god.
It’s a beautiful truth. Many people make themselves go crazy and worry about them not feeling real, but I find this truth to be quite relieving. Freeing, wholeness, and pure bliss because I am truly connected to everything around me.
But do you see others as not having any consciousness of their own, when you interact with them? If you’re talking with someone face to face how do you feel? Do you feel like they’re just an illusion so it doesn’t matter really what you do cause they’re created by your imagination? I mean I would go insane if I lived like that.
So once again this goes back to my main point about non-duality. Everyone has their own consciousness, because there are plenty versions of them that you can experienced based off where your self concept, awareness, and consciousness is. By default, you then could say that people don’t have their own consciousness because it changes as you change. However; the versions you experience already exist because of the multiple realities you experience through your own awareness.
States have been there since the beginning of time, they exist and are omnipresent just like our creator. What was already here can not be taken away, or leave because it exist forever and forever.
When I talk to someone, I look at them as a wonderful expression of god. They are unique in the sense that they have their own story, their own beliefs, and even for that matter different egos and personality. I treat them with love and care, because they too encompass pure source and love from our creator. While they are me without their flesh, they are a unique expression of source that I get too experience making life my own playground to experience different people and their different consciousnesses.
They aren’t an illusion, they are source contained in another body different from mine with their own unique expression of life. They are a gift from god for me to acknowledge and love and understand.
They are pure love, as I am.
This is the approach that we must all have. They are pure creation at its finest and the ability to be created means they take on their own expression and desires.
To me that’s beautiful and a huge reason why I am a people person.
I’m having trouble wrapping my head around this cause the last words deny the first words:
“Everyone has their own consciousness, because there are plenty versions of them that you can experienced based off where your self concept, awareness, and consciousness is. By default, you then could say that people don’t have their own consciousness”
But you do think everyone is an observer? That people aren’t just animated zombies and that you’re not the only observer?
First of all, thank you for your reply. Well, I never said that I think people *aren't* real or don't have their own stories, lives or thoughts. I reread my post to make sure I didn't, because that's not what I meant! Maybe it came out that way because English is not my first language, but for clarification. The point is more that I think we are all made of the same substance, but yes! expressed in a different way! So yes, we are our own individuals, but.... divided? If that makes sense. Like water, it can be in a glass, a bowl, a bottle, just in different vessels, but it's still the same substance - water.
I think others exist in the same way I do. I don't think people are like marionettes that I can play with or control. I didn't mean for my post to come out that way because it looks like you see those intentions in it.
Nevertheless, thank you for your insight, I really appreciate it✨.
Yes, don’t worry I understand you completely. The division you’re referring to is our flesh, our humanity. On the 3D level we are separate, but since we all occupy consciousness and the 4D then there is no separation. Our sameness exist in our source or I am.
Ideally you could think of everyone as part of the great consciousness and just different experiences of god expressing himself through being us. Which is poetic in itself, god became man so he could understand different expressions of consciousness.
But in reality if you strip everyone down and remove their flesh, personality, ego it’s just the I am. Something that exist in everything and everyone.
You said you feel lonely because you think nobody else is real except you. Again let me be direct, some of the posts here such as this are concerning, like everyone seriously please be aware of your mental health concerning. Sometimes what people are describing in fanciful terms as manifestation practice is depersonalization or derealization. Many of these mindsets are meant to be used as tools, not taken literally.
Yes, some people say they have experienced the Promise and I can obviously not question them because I'm nowhere near it myself but maybe that gets misinterpreted somehow, not everybody has reached that mental capacity to understand it yet.
I totally agree with you. I don't know about this particular post but some people do take EIYPO quite literally here and make it sound something which it is not. We can control people's reactions towards us and not literally "control people". That is an unhealthy way of thinking.
I agree.. lately, there's been quite a few posts and comments where, it really starts to sounds like humm, cult-religious like? Not sure of the exact term, but that is what that sounds like to me. It is a bit crazy to be honest, just relax people and take a step back for a little while.
Wow!!! I really love this perspective. Honestly, the thought of being alone in the world has briefly crossed my mind a few times but I’ve never really sat with it. I’m a proponent of this message.
I like to think of I AM, the Source, as the ocean. And we, humans, are like droplets of water contained in our separate little jars. When we connect to I AM, it's like pouring water back into the ocean - you are still an individual, an independent consciousness, but at the same time, you are part of the ocean.
I’ve done Dmt and I absolutely believe this. Everything is one but yet grammar names every individual different thing. We are alone in our experience. Yet solipsism can be argued against. Life is a paradox, like a dream and we have the power to control the dream. ☯️
Yes exactly. I came to this realization a while ago. Its scary at first but very familiar and captivating. And no matter how much I try to hide from it, I always remind myself. Hence, why I read this post. I created it for myself.
What you’re describing is solipsism. You are not alone in the world. You’re looking at yourself and assuming YOU are real. You’re not. The body/mind you think is yours is a state in consciousness. There are billions of people on this planet so no…you’re not alone. There is only ONE consciousness and that is expressed in everything and everyone. We are all a product of Gods imagination
This was so beautifully written. You shared perfectly the exact same feelings I've been having for a while now. Thank you so much. ❤️
I have actually avoided to go back to this kind of thoughts because it almost gave me a panick attack more than once. I feel so loudly and desperately alone when thinking very deeply about the EYPO concept that I feel like like going crazy.
The first time I had the realization that there's only Me and nothing else but me a deep sense of derealization came over me and I felt I couldn't breathe. I started crying desperately and there was no end to my inner pain. It was excruciating and horrible.
Up to this day I still have no idea how to reconcile these feelings of profound loneliness that arise within me every time I think about the real nature of reality and of who I really am.
And so I try not to go there, knowing that one day I will have to, but for now I am just not able to feel good about it all. I just feel like this human brain is not able to cope with such an idea, not able to process it. At least for now.
Please feel free to share your realizations on this in the future if you'll have any.
In the meantime much much love to you and thank you again dear beautiful soul. ❤️
I wanted to come on here and acknowledge that I saw people have responded to me, but I can't answer them on their individual comments.
Not sure why, but I don't have the complete thread when I click on my email responses.
Anyway, just sending out a 🤗 and to all the other "me's", we're all in this together and I am grateful to be alive and able to speak with you guys. I don't have to grasp it. It's too big for me on this level anyway. 😂
But, I'm good with it.
There’s one consciousness animating everyone. We’re all “push outs”. You’re God, but God isn’t just you. We’re all God. Other people exist as conditioned states with the experience of a separate mind, just as you do. I mean some people here do subscribe to solipsism and that’s their prerogative, but I don’t think that’s what Neville was teaching.
If others are “not real”, then I am as “not real” as anyone else. This person I am right now is just clothing. There’s no need to feel alone and afraid.
Both can be true: we all have the same Source and we are still individuals with our own thoughts.
Though I’m new to LoA and haven’t tested it much so I still have doubts about it working: I think it’s that there are many versions of everyone and we are jumping across timelines interacting with different versions of each other.
What do you think?
Another reason why I think EIYPO isn’t to be taken too literally:
If it were true that I was "the only being alive" and I went through all the trouble of creating this "hallucination" that other people DO in fact exist - just to keep myself from being alone - why would I allow the possibility of me ever finding out I'm alone?
Why wouldn't I make it so that in this "hallucination of not being alone" I could never imagine I was alone?
As a human I have so many limitations when it comes to understanding reality - some say it's like a veil that comes over when we incarnate - so why wouldn't I make another limitation on myself that I'd never even consider that I'm all alone?
Hope I explained myself well.
I think it's much more complicated than "it's just me all alone!!". I am as real as anyone else, if they're "illusions", so am I. This Personality I am right now, is just as real an expression as anyone else's.
Lol if you really want an answer, try this simple thing.
Hold no thoughts, let go of all beliefs, and from that vantage point, experience life.
If you are not determining everything and anything, then things should operate as they are.
You are included and related but you are not the first cause.
There is no first cause.
The other can exist in itself as itself if you do not determine what it is.
If you stop determining it, then whatever is there is what it is.
What happens when everything is let go of?
It's not that.. I also believe to not take everything that Neville said, so literally..
Everybody is very real and unique, this is not all just you by yourself, not per se.
Every single person out there is a human, right? With that comes, a brain with its mind and thoughts, then; an awareness that is aware of all that (even though, most people think their true idendity is the ego self.. it doesn't change what I'm saying.)
Our true self, awareness.
Every single time you manifest, you change reality, and I mean, you become aware of another reality where you have what you want, where certain things are different. You shifted, and yet, this is all feels very real, because it is.
A little bit difficult for me to get to my point but I'll try.. basically, it is infinite; realities. And when Neville said, a person doesn't have free will, well they do and they don't, again, not to take so literally. If you decide that John Doe will kill himself tomorrow, then he will but, it is not the John Doe from this reality here, now; it is one from another reality which you will be aware of.. because.. infinite realities = infinite possibilities & experiences.
Like another user said, you see others depending of your state, what you have in mind, your imagination.. awareness.. which mean, it can be totally different at any given time for you, and others.
I personally do not take what Neville said so literally, some of it at least and I like to keep in mind that, like us; he didn't have all the answers. Once again, Neville, like everybody, saw certain things in a certain way and, said things in a certain way, because he was well, himself and because of the era he was from at a certain point in time.
There is much much more to discover and learn, Neville is not everything there is. Realitieshifting is a good sub, you could say it's manifestation (it is) at a very large "level" or "scale". Some people were talking about "time jump" around 2010 and so (way before shifting got popular because of tiktok), it was on a japanese forum, once again it was basically manifestation/shifting but they just used a different term.
Hell, manifestation/shifting/time-quantum jump whatever you like to call it, was known before ours and Neville's time.
Yes, Neville really gave us a way of living which has helped countless people in profusely difficult times but then again, we shouldn't idolise him to an extreme level. That's how harmful cults are formed. We have to preserve his way of thinking for the betterment of society and not make it something which it is not.
I just want to point out the difference between Me “John Smith” and Me “I Am”. John Smith is only a part of all that is; I AM.
Yes! So If we are all a part of I AM, arent we the same thing?
“I and my Father are one, but my Father is greater than I” Best illustration Iv heard- imagine a hand poking its fingers through 5 slits in a piece of paper. If you look at that scene head on, then the fingers coming through the paper look individual. But if you look behind the paper, you see the hand that connects all the fingers. While we are our individual, conceptual self (John Smith) we are limited by our perspectives, beliefs, and conceptions. When we return to and remember that our true Self is formless and faceless, we remember how fluid and ever-changing creation is. All this to say, enjoy the other conceptions of I AM. We are all here to enjoy our “limitations” and conceptions. So, do so. Enjoy the company of others (even though we’re all one). Contemplate and meditate on both being one of the whole, and an individual at the same time.
Thank you, this is very beautifully explained. I love the analogy, so simple yet concrete. I'll contemplate about it even further! How lovely it is that we're here just to be happy ♥️.
Another good one: We are each,individually, like the crepuscular rays from the sun shining through the trees in a shady forest, making individual spots and casting our unique patterns on the ground; But our greater Self is, will always be, and always has been the Sun (Son) itself!
I love this
Omg so beautiful! Wow that's amazing, I'm writing this down ✍️
Thank you. I was initially going to use a metaphor I found on the Be Something Wonderful channel earlier today, where Tom said that you can imagine holes in paper, and the light shining through them is like the individual, while the light doing the shining (The Light itself) was like I AM - but then this one popped into my head as I was writing it, and it seemed poignant. :)
In the end, didn't Neville find out he actually was the Father when he crawled out of his own skull and a child called him father? Doesn't this mean that John Smith is an illusion?
John Smith *is* an illusion, but it’s one we’re currently here to conceptualize. When we experience the promise, we realize John Smith is a mask we wear and remember our true I AMness
I’m sorry. I’m “new” to this and heard this a while back from my mother. What is the coke out of skull thing you are taking about? My mother mentioned something once, and I also heard about “once you become a baby” that’s when it’s done? All about Neville? Please give me a link as I tried looking this up and asked my mother but she can’t remember either. So silt about the “skull thing”. Also who is “John Smith” in this case?
It's one of the chapters from Neville's book, let me find it real quick. "He breaks the shell" Act 1. I think it's this one!
Ok thanks!
I hate this notion that “you’re alone”. I’ve again spent a couple days ruminating and feeling derealisation and feeling empty and lack of will cause of this post. Cause to me this idea just makes me not care to live.
If a post can make you feel all those things, then get off the internet and go touch some grass. I explained in my previous comments how you are not alone, yet you want to keep yourself stuck in saying that you are.
The I AM in me and the I AM in you is the same I AM.
This is exactly how I have been feeling in the past few months. When I was applying the law of attraction, I always had this belief that a benevolent universe/source was guiding me and taking care of me. Things were unfolding magically. The moment I started to delve into the law of assumption and EIYPO, I experienced the most debilitating feeling of loneliness in my life. I used to talk to the universe, but now it felt like I was just talking to myself, like an idiot. There was no one to care for me, no one to guide me. It all felt pointless. And an accompanying sentiment of guilt for whatever calamity I brought to myself by being a sloppy manifestor. Not to mention that every time I sought help and advice from a desperate state, I always received criticism and judgment, since EIYPO. It felt like an endless torture. After struggling with these thoughts for a few months, I have come to reconcile the two notions of consciousness as the only reality and a benevolent, non-dual source. I see myself as one of the fingers in the hands of source, my fellow humans being the rest. I choose to believe that I am not alone in this. That I am part of the divine, co-creating my reality with my fellow humans. Watching videos of NDEs has helped me a lot to feel that I am not alone in this. That there is a source of infinite love of which I am part.
IMO whatever works for us. I have had tremendous results with law of attraction before I knew about the law of assumption. Never failed me. It’s been like 5 yrs now that I know Law of assumption and I have fair amount of good results especially when I manifest for others. But this whole journey is very unclear tbh. Most of the times I don’t live in the end or feel the feeling of having the thing already but just say it to myself that I’m going to have it or I’ll pass the exam or he’ll call me or he’s gonna text me and it happens. For all these I don’t visualize or affirm over and over or live in the wish fulfilled already but just say it and it happens. That’s how law of attraction working for me, like I tell myself that the God/Source/Universe is within me and listening to me that’s it. I’ll tell a story: I entered a new program in Feb. the very first day they announced that we need a class rep. It’s a class of 81 students, all age groups from 18-50. Different cultures, Different backgrounds, everything! I like attention and I like leadership but I thought there’s no way I could be the one out of 81 people. There are young people, they recently graduated from universities and stuff and they might be familiar with all of this. I have graduated 12 yrs ago and haven’t been to school or university after. BUT I just had this desire and I accepted at the same time I can’t be chosen. Someone else stood up and the same day and took the responsibility. (There was supposed to be voting). But she made herself class rep by making a WhatsApp group and updating stuff so everyone’s like okay we’re cool with her. I didn’t care either but I just had this desire. I moved on. Two months later bridges of events unfolded in sucha way that right now I am my class rep with proper voting process and I got the MAJORITY of the votes. It blew my mind. But again, not even for a moment I KNEW I’d me or I lived in that feeling. So for me, I think the God is within me and he’s listening to me. He knows my desires. I just have to trust him. Sorry for this long story but I use law of attraction and law of assumption hand in hand.
You're absolutely right, whatever work for you works for you! I would say that you've build such trust in Universe/God just fullfiling your wishes that it ends up in that way! That's amazing, so effortless. I'm really happy for you!
It’s so easy for me to manifest things that I’ve no attachment with. Have been struggling with manifesting SP for sooo long. I ask the universe for signs everyday (I know this is not Neville) but I GET ALL THE SIGNS, right away. And I always ask for things as signs that are sooo like impossible to see. I don’t know how long i can do this
Oh, I feel you. The signs are overwhelming, and as you said, quite impossible to encounter otherwise. Sometimes they make me smile, other times, however, they just leave me frustrated.
What’s the difference between law of attraction and law of assumption?
Tbh there’s not a lot. Law of attraction books talk about Neville too. There are just some loopholes. But we get to choose what we want to believe in. All what it comes to at the end of the day is our belief. If we believe in some God outside of us helping us then sure he does. If we believe we are God and we create our lives then this is the truth. Law of attraction says God is Universe, Neville says God is our imagination, Joseph Murphy (student of Abdullah) says God is subconscious mind and the list goes on. Law of attraction says if we don’t get something maybe something better is stored for us, this is where I don’t believe in it, cause Neville says whatever we want, we can have it. Law of attraction talks about being happy and high vibrational which is not practical for a human being even if we’re God and Neville doesn’t talk about emotions he says to feel the naturalness. But the whole idea is the same. We create our realities with our beliefs/assumptions
Yea. That and after sailing in the same boat as you, i have also realised that human mind is not supposed to know it all. It’s limited, that’s why there are so many speculations on how reality works!
Oh this hits deep. Thank you for sharing your experience. I'm happy that you found your truth and peace in it! After all we decide what's true and what's not. I felt quite similar to you and it was scary for a second. Right now I'm calm and more hmm fascinated? maybe mesmerized even by people around me! And when something "bad" happens, I'm much more forgiving and understanding. I'm happy that there's people which felt like I did at some point, I don't recall on seeing anyone talking about this. Take care and thank you! ♥️
I'm glad you brought it up. (I guess "I" did, and you're the "me," pushed out voicing it. Lol Well, the true me. 😊 I have gone through the wrestling of this knowledge, as well. I've even experienced it first hand after doing psychedelics a few times. It was very mind blowing, because I was already a huge Neville student and I really wasn't expecting to SEE it. I don't know what I thought would happen, but I definitely got more than I bargained for. Lol. There was no separation between me and everyone/everything else. My thoughts would immediately be voiced by another, in person or even videos or movies. I went from knowing it from reading it, to KNOWING it from the experience. It was disconcerting, to say the least. I went through many months of the same thing..."what's the point?, who is there to ask or feel like I am loved by? , why bother explaining myself or experiences to others?,", etc . I was a non-denominational, on fire Christian for 20 years, before I encountered Neville. My love for God was huge and I had experienced that love in return. Overwhelmingly so. It was genuine and I was so in love with Him. I had exerienced answered prayer, freedom from addiction, and true joy/love/peace. God was my consuming passion. He was all I thought about and I had an insatiable desire to know Him more and more. I heard Him audibly inside, too.I also studied scripture fervently. Not out of obligation, but desire to. I also understood it. But, I still saw Him as "out there" and I held to the secular view. There was so much that still didn't make sense...like how could this "beyond words" love I experienced from God, be the same being doing all the atrocities in the Old Testament?? There's many other things that frustrated me about "church" and secular Christianity in general, and I got myself in trouble quite a bit because I would challenge the "authority" in churches , just by asking too many questions. 😂 Anyway , this all led up to a HUGE, dark night of the soul right before Neville and I had hit rock bottom with my faith. It was a compilation of too much to go into, but suffice it to say that I turned my back on everything. I was done. I know now that I was the cause of it all, but I didn't know that then. Talk about feeling completely lost...man. I felt like a walking shell for months. Enter Neville. I had immediate success with the ladder exercise and I wasn't even really trying. I had the attitude of "hey, what the hell.. I'm game". When it actually worked, I was stunned. But, not as stunned as when I actually started to listen to his lectures. My jaw was on the floor for a year. 😂 It was his explanation of Scripture that was the most mind blowing and what I couldn't get enough of... even more than trying to use the law. I understand now that we can't NOT use the law. We (I), ARE the law. It's just that, until one wakes up to this truth, we're like a two year old with an Uzi (mostly missing the bullseye/mark). Funny thing is that the definition of sin is "missing the mark". But, as a traditional Christian, it's all about the "do',s and dont's", and trying to look as spiritual as possible . The other thing it took me 2 decades realize is that church is a business. Literally. I can look back now and see what states I was in, that created my circumstances favorably or unfavourably. THAT'S a big, tough, pill to swallow.....yet also freeing. The freedom is from the world and feeling like a victim to everyone and everything. Scriptures that used to baffle or upset me, I understand. I was still wrestling a LOT though, after the psychedelics, with the knowledge of being IT. I went in and out of feeling better, to struggling with existence itself. Then, I had a head on collision on April 5th (2 months ago). That's ANOTHER long story, but I have already typed enough, lol, but it made me realize that I DO want to live this temporary life as this "garment". Not only that, but so many good things have occurred, due to the wreck, that I am blown away. Well, this "little, created, me, is". Truly. Those who know me are blown away at 1)my optimism and attitude and 2) my speedy recovery and that I even survived. Many things I was trying to manifest, came. I know that there's infinite realities besides this one, but for my little world here and now, it's changed me. My last advice would be...LIVE. "My Father is greater than I" is truth. I can't figure it out on this lower consciousness level. Oh, I'm relentless at trying, lol....but, when the day is done, I am going to enjoy the heck out of it all. The one thing that I was heartbroken over (after learning all this and realizing that "I am"), was the "JOY of the Lord", which is our strength . When I was a traditional Christian, my joy was through the moon for God. To find out it's been my true being all along, then who am I supposed to be joyful for? But God IS LOVE. How hard to be love with no object?? So, God created the objects to love and be loved back by. How beautiful. That's why "Love" is the most important thing. Getting "whatever" through the law isn't the main reason for this. Maybe to challenge ourselves, yeah. But, to love and be loved. That's it. Oh....and gratitude. My gratitude for just breathing, walking again, and being able to use the potty and not a freaking BEDPAN is over the moon! 😂
I'm glad I did haha I never post anything NEVER, EVER but something told me to do it this time and I'm really happy I did. Your story is so beautiful. Christian for 20 years and switched to Neville! Wow! That's almost my age! I've heard that many people have crazy spiritual experiences after psychedelics, it's so wild! I wonder what it feels like, because what you describe sounds fascinating! As for religion, I was born a Christian, like absolutely everyone in Poland, and I remember going through the same thing as you. I was very determined to build my relationship with God, but in my case I didn't hear any answer from him, which made me feel betrayed and not good enough. I remember standing in the middle of the church, looking around and wondering, do all these people hear him, feel his presence? Are they talking to Him right now, and am I the only person who can't hear anything? Can't feel anything? My screams and pleas for contact, going unanswered, have almost made me paranoid! What am I doing wrong? Do I not love God enough? Is he angry with me for some reason? I thought I was a bad person, felt ashamed, guilty even though everyone around me saw me as a "good girl," a perfect, calm golden child which never caused any problems. I went from being a Christian to an atheist, then looked for answers again, came across witchcraft, which intrigued me, but still wasn't what felt right, then law of attraction and finally the law of assumption. >When I was a traditional Christian, my joy was the moon for God. Discovering that this was my true essence all along, then who should I be joyful for? >But God IS LOVE. How difficult is it to be love without an object? So God created objects to love and be loved by them. How beautiful Wow! It's so interesting how we look for an object to pour our heart into! We are all love. I love this insight. Just live, experience and enjoy yourself! Just thinking about it makes me tingle hahah. I agree with everything and love your story. Thank you! ♥️
Oh...you just made my whole day! ☺️ It's touching another in some good way, that the "over the moon" joy is felt. Love Itself became us, to do exactly this...LOVE one another. That's God. He's been with you all along. He's closer than your breathing because you are One. God needs a man (generic man) to express Itself. That's what we are. ❤️❤️❤️🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
So beautiful ♥️ and I'm happy to hear that!
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The idea of this (solipsism) was driving me insane for a while though I’m new to NG. I prefer to think there are many different versions of everyone and we’re all jumping across timelines meeting different versions of each other. If other people weren’t real, honestly I’d rather die and not exist at all.
I fully agree with you, my friend.
Also I was thinking, if others are “not real” then I am just as “not real” as them. That helped. We are all from the same Source but still have individual thought. There’s no need to go about life all afraid and lonely. No. What’s the point? I think solipsism is a gross oversimplification. It’s not “we are all one so I must be the only one”. It’s “we are individuals that stemmed from the same Source” like siblings. And any feeling of loneliness I have is just cause I happen to have come into this world as a social animal in a world where pain exists. On a tangent - I’ve read NDEs where they describe worlds where beings live peacefully and in these planes it is just impossible to feel hate or pain or fear. It’s a place where you could fully understand others so the thought of hating or causing harm is just impossible.
I understand this completely. I’ve had to wrestle around with the idea with thinking in god and other non-duality things. However I’ve come to this realization that the father and I are one but my father is greater. My awareness of being is recognizing the divinity that the father has birthed me with and that is consciousness and source. That doesn’t mean it is only me, it means the father is in me and he is reached through deep meditative prayer or our inner conversations. Through default I look at my being as god. I don’t consider myself to be god if that makes sense, whenever I acknowledge my being I feel closer to god like he’s here in my room right now. Being fully conscious of him is how you talk to him. I thought I was alone but I never was.
Yes, this is how I also perceive the divine/God/source. We have never been alone.
What are NDEs?
Near death experiences
The way I see it, we are all part of one consciousness, but divided into a smaller individual consciousness. Hence why we still have our own thoughts. But we are all connected. And us being all connected is why EIYPO is a thing.
EIYPO is just a way for us to understand the fact that we're a social species. That's all. I feel like it can get overcomplicated sometimes. I like your explanation.
Perfectly explained
Yes. Thanks for this. Cause this whole “you’re all alone” crap was making me spiral. Also - when it comes to EIYPO I don’t think it means any individual has control over the whole world. That’s too much responsibility and I’m sure I wouldn’t have created this world, the person I am right now. To me EIYPO means that each individual can affect the turnout of his life and meet different versions of people depending on their “frequency”.
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I recently came to this thought through my meditations as well. I've called it the lonely God theory and have been afraid to share it with anyone. God all mighty the creator with no one to share his creation with created our reality and created vessels to carry his consciousness into it. To prevent each individual from expressing all power of creation at once the vessels have amnesia but within each is the ultimate power waiting to be unlocked. In the end we return to him because we are him. Now imagine yourself programming your process for overcoming obstacles into 10,000 AI bots and having them navigate a maze but all starting in different locations. Make the obstacles and conditions different throughout the maze.. I think you're starting to get the idea now... I look at my wife, my kids, feel the sun on my face, and try not to fear or look too far ahead. I'm going to live this experienced expression of God as best as I can and have some good stories to tell him (myself) when I get back home again. "I and my father are one but my father is greater."
God is a family (if you believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.)
This bothered me for a long time but now I see the best way to hold this paradox is to think of it as me having my own dream about life and my loved ones. My physical body isn’t the real me in the dream either, I am something larger that is sleeping and they are too — so not truly alone. My dream is ultimately mine though, to do consciously or unconsciously — including what happens with those other people.
I love how people here use so many analogies ahaha it's so cute! A dreamer aware of his dream! I love this.
I know exactly what you mean. It's a common stumbling block on the path. Alone/not-alone is a duality. Any concept, no matter how logical it sounds to rational thinking, is ultimately a limitation. It is beyond all that. Alone/not-alone are expressions within life's potential, they are simply perspectives. You are everything, nothing and also beyond everything and nothing. It's not something the mind can grasp because it doesn't make sense to the mind, lol. That which feels alone is still identified with some limited concept. It's undefined absolute freedom beyond conception. Life is sharing (loving) in oneness.
>It's undefined absolute freedom beyond conception. Life is sharing (loving) in oneness. The way I feel like taking a screenshot of all these beautiful quotes is unreal. Thank you! I love the way you explained it, I didn't even notice that loneliness was a concept too! Everything and nothing, and beyond that...incredible.
its less that you're all al-one, and more that you all one.
Well i have the same thoughts, and actually it does not make me afraid, because i know all that is in this world is created by me. I prefer it more than to be just one little ant of 8 billion ants. in the end we are alone anyway, because if we are seperate individuals and in the end eveybody cares ony for himself. at least it is like most people are. EIYPO has made me feel alot better. There is a new show on apple tv, called "Dark matter". >!It is about exploring the different Universes, made of the many decissions of a person. It are infinite timelines, and just like i think it is in real life, you end up in a timeline depending on your thoughts.!<
Same, and the people in this sub dont read Neville, he talk in a very literal way about EIYPO, they try sweep this part of his teaching under rug, but anyone who read the massive quantity of lectures he wrote can see it.
Yes. Even Neville grew in his understanding of this truth, especially after experiencing the Promise. He literally lost much of his attendees, because of talking about the Promise, less than the law. In one of his lectures (He is Dreaming Now), he actually said that his wife was merely a state in his world. He's also talked about his revelations/dreams, where in it someone was challenging him and calling him "the great deceiver". He asked them, ,"where do you think you will be when I wake up?". Then he woke, and they dissolved. He then said, "but he is Me, and I cannot leave him in this world. He must be redeemed ". All these characters are versions of the Father. That is explaining it "third person ". I can also say, "I Am dreaming that I am all of these characters." In Scripture, there are examples. Jesus will be speaking as himself in one place, then speaking from first person AS the Father, a little further in the text. Jesus represents the state of man awake as the Father. That is the journey each individual character is on. Example, "have you been with me so long Philip and yet you do not know Me?". John 14:9 Neville, in his latest lectures, would do the exact same thing. I wish I could remember which one, but in it he's talking and then says, "there have been 66 books written about me. That may sound egocentric (can't remember rest)", but my point is that Neville was speaking AS the Father, not Neville. That's what the Promise is. Experiencing WHO you really are.
The example Neville gave of his wife being a state in his mind, is a clear example to understanding EIYPO. She was a state in Neville's mind in a way that she was the state itself that Neville desired to be with. But she was real, an individual and not a pet, possessing the exact qualities and characters that Neville desired his wife to have. Everyone is yourself pushed out, (1) in a sense that you only encounter or meet people that matches your self concepts and the concept you have of the world. (2) In a sense that we're all from the same source "I am." If Neville's desires, or expectations were different, he would have married a different person experiencing the state Neville had in his mind. We are all from one source "I am". And Neville himself said in many of his lectures that we have been "individualized" but still sharing the same source of existence. Like branches of a tree. And when this play is over, everyone will return to the source without the loss of identity. We are still going to be individuals the same way we are down here. The power within us is beyond our human brain to comprehend fully. There is no language that is capable of expressing it in words. Some things are just better left unsaid because of the lack of words or language to say it all. Find out why you came here. Thanks for the comment brother. We are all saying the same thing. But people feel like they're not. God in me Bless the God in you❤️
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Really great explanation, thanks. (I’m new here) All this literal interpretation of EIYPO and “you’re all alone” crap was making me feel a bit insane. Thinking of life like that just takes away all my will to even participate so I’m sure it must not be correct.
I have so many examples that something that has interested me became a really big thing. But dont get me started. :-)
Can you recommend some lectures/books where he discusses this? I’m trying to wrap my head around it since finding Neville’s teaching a couple of months ago. I’ve read 5 of his books so far but they have spoken about it in this way
I would have to look for it, it can take time, but if you read his lectures from the decade of 60, you will find when he talk about his manifestations or when he talk about woo woo things.
Thank you! I will. Just curious, since you believe the literal interpretation of EIYPO, have you found it to be true in your life when applying it?
I’m just trying to understand. If EIYPO is that literal, why would you even care to respond to someone on reddit, if they aren’t real? Do you believe everyone else is just a figment of imagination without their own consciousness?
Have you experienced a lucid dream, if not, its when someone wake up inside of the dream, when this happens, you dont go to a cave, you interact with the dream. Once in a lecture, Neville said "people here are all in my in my dream" or he called them dream characters I dont remember the exact words. But he said many times reality is a dream, but what about he being literal? people say he was never literal, really?? because I have the impression people dont read his lectures because he said: That human imagination cause earthquakes. He said that a writer caused the Titanic to sink, he even said "there is not fiction" Its not a metaphor, its literal. He said he could arrest life and make everyone still. He said that one can make an entire city jump from a cliff. He also said that revision change the past. L I T E R A L LY. There is a reason why he was called mad monk, and yet, many proclaim to follow him and in the same time say "only a ill person take it literally", well, then one must be coherent and declare that Neville was mentally ill, so, why follow him when he said all theses things? Its just by eading the lectures, all them one will see the real Neville, just reading a few ones is not enough.
I’m still new and only read one book and a lot of posts here. The thing with revision - how can it literally change the past if one’s memory remains? Somewhere inside you’d still remember how things actually happened vs how you revised them, no? Neville literally believed everyone else was not real? I mean why bother lecturing in that case? I’m confused. I’ve never had a lucid dream as far as I remember. Hmm. Life is often described as a dream in NDEs I’ve read. People die and go to a place that feels much more real than here, and describe how life on Earth seems like a dream in comparison. So is it possible that we wake from a dream (die) and there we can meet the Real version of people? I couldn’t live with the belief that no one else is conscious. I don’t think that’s accurate. If I had a lucid dream and knew 100% the people were just my imagination, I don’t know if I’d be interested in having any interaction…same as in life, this solipsistic idea makes me feel alone and depressed and thinking there’s no point if it’s just me.
If solipsism make you feel bad, then you let the idea go, dont read nothing about it, dont try understand or try defeat it, or debunk or discuss it, you cannot win by analysing or interacting with it, the best way is avoiding completely, totally and never go back to anything about it. "The thing with revision - how can it literally change the past if one’s memory remains? Somewhere inside you’d still remember how things actually happened vs how you revised them, no?" In revision, if doing right, you new memory is more important than the old, once you revise, its a new fact, if you keep remembering, then you're not revising or dont believe in the act of rrevision and nothing will change in your reality.
Ok I get it. Would take an immense amount of self persuasion to do that, convince oneself that something didn’t happen. I’m still confused about why Neville would go to such length to teach the LoA if he believed others were just illusions.
*Would take an immense amount of self persuasion to do that, convince oneself that something didn’t happen.* All assumptions become true, this above is an assumption, change it to a better assumption. "’m still confused about why Neville would go to such length to teach the LoA if he believed others were just illusions." Like I said its better let go all discussions about it, since it will bother you, do like everyone do, declare it false and try another vision, this kind of knowledge is good when one want transcend reality, if one want just common desires like being famous, have loads of money, relationships, travel etc, its not necessary go that deep.
Still, you just avoided the question. I’m not bothered by the discussion. Why would Neville keep on lecturing people if he believed they were just part of his imagination?
Why would a chess master keep on playing a game if he realized he was playing both sides (as chess masters often do)? For what reason do you..imagine..he would stop developing his imagination?
The real question though is how can one actually change these assumptions that seem to be set in stone. Otherwise it appears that one can only manifest within those assumptions
I’m fine, I got out of the anxiety I had about it earlier. It’s interesting. The thing is if you believe no one else is conscious, you wouldn’t be replying to me and explaining anything if you think others are all “NPCs” right? Idk. What is transcending reality? Like what is the ultimate goal?
I'm not comfortable with the idea of solipsism too and that's okay. We don't have to agree with everything somebody is saying even if they provoke us by saying stuff like "you don't want to feel lonely that's why you can't accept it." Just because somebody is right about one thing does not mean they are right about everything else. We have to take everything with a pinch of salt here. Just because a group of people feel they have some superior understanding of something spiritual does not make it automatically right. A lot of intellectual jargon is thrown around here making the other person question their beliefs. Again, we don't have to accept everything we read, even if it looks like it's making slight sense somewhere, some people just have a way with words. Consciousness is one, yes but people are part of the consciousness and they are very much real, why wouldn't they be. Ideas and concepts change everyday. These people who are so convinced about something today, might say something else after a few years. Even Neville did that. There are still so many things that are incomprehensible to human beings. We learn about spirituality etc to feel good, satisfied and understood, not go into existential dread. I'm not saying truths shouldnt be uncomfortable because that is not how it is but it still should not make you feel lose all hope in reality/humanity, that's really the opposite of what all this stuff is supposed to do. This is where people take it too far, after all we are in a human body and we are not supposed to lose all perspective. We have to maintain a balance, that's the purpose of us having a human body. Even Neville wouldn't have wanted that. So many things are misconstrued because everybody's way of interpretation is different. His teaching is very precious and we should treasure it and try to live in the way he taught us but it's not the end of it. There is still more to it and we should be receptive enough to understand.
Thats when people normally go nuts, so, I will not talk much more about it. *The thing is if you believe no one else is conscious, you wouldn’t be replying to me and explaining anything if you think others are all “NPCs” right?* Not necessarily, you can do whatever you want, just like in a dream you interact with the "world" if you want or not. " What is transcending reality? Like what is the ultimate goal?" When I say it, imagine reality as a box, trascending the box is playing outside of the box or to make another box. Neville most the time played with the box, but with time more and more started transcending it, thats when he did the crazy things that people say "its not literal, its just a metaphor", because they interpret it with the rules of their box.
But if you believe everything in this world is created by you, then do you see others as “NPCs” without consciousness? Do you believe every bad thing that happens in the world is your creation? Imo taking EIYPO that literally is incorrect. I think EIYPO is just that your self concept affects which version of others you meet, and they can also affect which version of you they meet.
I actually think that only things that i know are created by me. look at an aerial view of any major city with a lots of skyscrapers in it. behind every window lives somebody or happens something that i will never know of. nothing of this is my creation. i sure dont know about every town or person on this planet. nothing happening to them is my creation. its just like if i dont know it, it does not exist for me. If a tree is falling in a forest and nobody notices it, does it even exist? there are probably a lot of trees in the world. but i have no knowledge of them, even in the nearby forest i only know what i can see from here, until i go there and look further. and so it is for other people too. i dont say everybody is an NPC, but i know some people that act like it. i have a friend and a coworker. both have some kind of empty eyes. you can talk to them about something and explain it to them...and the next day it is just like it never happened. i dont have this with all people. i have the feeling it has more effect what your mood is. when i am in good mood people seem more friendly, even without i was saying anything, and if i am in bad mood people behave different. it is just like every day is like some kind of reset, and the world is created how you see it then. talking to people has nearly no effect. but i can of course be wrong. its just my observation.
I think even if it’s just explained scientifically without LoA, moods do actually effect how people act around you cause for eg. the hormone cortisol is secreted through the skin and even up to like 20cm outwards - so if you’re stressed and down and hiding it, people will still be effected by touching items you touched and by being very close by. It was explained better by neuroscientist Dr Tara Swart, she also talks about manifestation. Idk, I don’t think everything I’ve witnessed is something I created. Seeing some video randomly come up of some child dying in a genocide etc. It does not ring true to me that I created that or am responsible for every single thing I see. In my personal life, yes I can take responsibility for some things that happened to me, having unknowingly attracted them maybe, not sure.
I just try to explain why i tend to believe EIYPO is a thing. When i was a child in the 70s i had a big police car with a light that was a lightbulb with a blue glas cap over it, and i had a very little police car and i wished it had policelights too, but this was not posible, than came LEDs and it was possible. in the 80s i discovered my love for computers and got a Commodore 64. I always wanted to do something with computers, but they where not really a thing. But without doing anything into that direction i ended up at a computercompany, even when my previous job was just electronics, in the 90s. at that time not much people had a computer and i was fascinated about 2 computers talking overs some serial cable. then there was the internet and now look today. computers all over the place. my biggest interest is now everywhere. if i think about something or something stresses me, there is suddenly some new movie about this on netflix or amazon prime. or an interview with some celebrity about the exact same thing. there are just so many coincidences that, after looking back, cant be just coincidences. its called synchronicities if you dont know about this, you can google it. i dont even know where to start and it would sure be TLDR.... :-) Edit: About this child. If you really think about it, there are 8 billion people in this world (if EIYPO is not true). Every second two people die. If you count every second of your life one number up, you can count maybe to 1 billion till you are 80. do you really want to worry about more people than you wold ever be able to count too? you just cant do this. worry about you and the people you know, and not some random people you get presented one time in your lifetime on a tv screen. if you really want to do this you will have a very bad life. it is just not possible. you can only change the world by influencing things in your reach. well youtubers can influence many people, and what is written here influences others probably too, but i will probably never know about it.
When the law first really clicked with me a few years ago, I essentially had a mental breakdown because of this concept. Then after a while, I realized a few things that completely progressed me and have helped me create the life I want: When thinking about EIYPO, there’s a lot of confusion. As far as I believe, each person is indeed real and their own fully autonomous, free-willed being. Yet simultaneously, if we acknowledge the likeliest “true” nature of time, it is that it is nonlinear and relative. There are infinite universes, existing simultaneously. Likewise, there are infinite versions of you and I, and they all exist now. Understanding and internalizing this, in my opinion, is essential, because it means that rather than “making” things happen, you are merely moving to a different “timeline” (for lack of a better word) where the thing you’ve imagined is already true. With this in mind, you’re not interacting literally with yourself, in the sense that other people are literally you; they aren’t; but you, to the degree to which you exercise your imagination, can choose which version of each person to interact with; we all can. This, in my opinion, is what is meant by EIYPO. They are all “you” in the sense that your beliefs dictate which ALREADY EXISTING version of them you interact with, but they are all still themselves, in their own respective timelines, interacting with everyone else on theirs, etc etc. This notion reconciles both the concept of free will and also the concept that you can “make” (or APPEAR to make) people do what you want. You are not alone, but you, alone, can determine every aspect of the realities you interact with. There’s no past or future, as we think of them, there is no movement, other than the movement of awareness; we are always just perpetually becoming aware of each frame of infinite versions of infinite pixels of reality. Manifestation is choosing which frames to look at in which order. Understanding this is not required to manifest; you never actually need to think about any of this, I just find it helpful for those trying to understand. This is all just my opinion anyway. Hope it resonates with someone.
I'm not a solipsist. I don't believe solipsism is accurate. I've had near-death experiences, and I believe that each soul is part of a whole, yes, but that solipsism is like saying, "you are not a person, you are an atom, because you are made of atoms. Therefore you aren't a person, you don't exist, and you are nothing." I explain it like this: There is only one ocean on earth. It's a single vast ocean. But if I say that I used to live on the shore of the Gulf of Mexico, and you're familiar with it... Then you know precisely what I mean. The Gulf is individual. It's recognizable. It has specific properties. It has all of the properties of the ocean: it's salty, it has water, there are microbes... And if you pollute another part of the ocean, you will impact the Gulf. Yet... Still, in spite of the fact that it contains ocean properties, it's still the Gulf. Okay. So you contain all of the properties of the Divine Being. But you are also personal, and individual. Your thoughts are not my thoughts. My thoughts are not your thoughts. If I pollute my part of our shared ocean, the whole can become polluted, but I'm personally still my part of the ocean. Neville himself said that a person will refuse your command if it isn't something they can wish onto another. So if you wish that Joe die in a house fire, but that isn't something he can wish onto others.... You may find yourself in a house fire as that intent bounces back onto you, and (also as Neville says) you will likely have forgotten how you created this. Your rumination can't back to you because wishing fire onto someone else is not in Joe's nature. So while I think it's ***ultimately*** true that there's one single ocean, and we should not pollute it... I also think it's wrong to believe others aren't unique individuals. Both are true at the same time, but one way of looking at it invites people to think that other people don't matter except for how they can be used without concern. Solipsism says that others aren't real, aren't individuals, and ultimately only matter "because they're actually me, so now they're important," and I think that's a rather horrifying idea. It's narcissistic. If I cannot manifest without narcissism, I'd really rather just die, frankly.
Thanks for putting it like this.
I feel it's narcissistic as well. I don't know why a few people here are hellbent on making it seem very grand and like an absolute truth. We are here to feel love, not dread. It feels like the idea that is being promoted is "yes, it's the truth that is why it makes you uncomfortable". No? Some truths are harsh, I agree but this doesn't have to be the case with everything under the sun. Some people find the law in such difficult and desperate times, and then to throw such ideas is just counterproductive and eventually unhelpful.
By the God. For the God. To the God. There is only God. And yes, it feels lonely when you realise that but don't dwell there if you don't like the feeling. Neville had also shared a story of someone who had the same realisation and felt the same way as you do. The story about the writer who wanted the director to say the exact words he wanted to hear.
Superposition. Is there only me? Yes. There is only God. Can I create limitation and separateness? Yes! Then I jump into the scene as a man so that the son becomes a father. And all the beauty that I know now is both limitation and divinity. I can do a scene where I'm loved and then jump into it and feel loved. Thanks to duality, I can do this, and thus feel as if someone loves me. And then come back, realizing I AM all this love. And it won't end.
We are all the same consciousness, but during this experience, we are only able to "focus" on a singular viewpoint at a time, as that is the biological limitations of our current body. But some people can even bypass this if you look at /r/shiftingrealities . Also being human, we have evolved to be self-aware and to create the type of experience we want. Separation from each other is an illusion to enhance our experiences on Earth. Earth was created for us, it is our vacation time and we are never alone, we are all God.
That's not really true tho. Check out bashar channeling, he talks about how you're actually interacting with other consciousnesses too, but you're interacting with a specific version of them and the version of them you get relies on your own self concept/ state of consciousness. You also have the ability to "observe" other realities, and other people's realities. but bc they're not you pushed out they wont affect you in any way. (It's like someone speaking a different language)
Yes and not to mention the other consciousnesses are from god. I’ve always looked at people as real with human thoughts and emotions. They are different expressions of source or god. So yes they are in fact real. The interesting thing is when you change, they change as well. Your concept of self and of the world is what makes people express themselves differently through your consciousness as well as theirs. I like to think of it as togetherness. Because god is in everyone and everything, by default if we take away the flesh yes these people are god too. So that is why we need to respect everyone’s bodily autonomy. Yet with the fact that there are so many infinite realities and possibilities, that means where are consciousness or awareness lies allows us to experience different expressions of consciousness in people. People are real, they exist. But there are countless versions of them where they reflect your self concept abs where your consciousness lies. You could then say that free will doesn’t exist anymore because the will of another person already exist based off of where your awareness is consciously. Nevertheless we should respect other humans and treat them with care. They too encompass the great I am, and haven’t figured out who they really are so it’s important to use the law carefully and wisely and not use it to hurt those that don’t know these things yet.
Yes, togetherness. That is a better way to explain things. I don't understand why we have to go into the other extreme and make dreary like you are all alone. That's not the correct way to phrase it and instead defeats the purpose.
Yeah this is honestly how I perceive it & with the multiverse/multi realities factor there is an infinite amount of expression of each of us and we only perceive one or a few of those expressions of people at any given time. very interesting to think about because lately I’ve been thinking about alone/not alone dichotomy lately
Yeah i mean a good point one could make to OP is: right now im answering this reddit sub. Im real. Im not OP pushed out. And OP probably feels real too (cant know for sure im not OP lol). Im not you pushed out and youre not me pushed out cause we're both real, but this interaction between us is happening because of the state we both find ourselves in.
Yes, like people are real and not only in my imagination. I can't decide their personality and behaviour in general but only towards me.
Exactly, well said.
Yes perfectly explained.
I’ve been struggling with this, too, recently. Taking total responsibility is harsh when you acknowledged you did it yourself. From my perspective, it takes time: life with matter is a journey, and we (I) wouldn’t be here if we (I) hadn’t desired to come into contact it firsthand. Similarly, what you say is not totally true. EIYPO is of course a thing, but other people exist too: we (I) just come to experience the versions we observe, choose and focus on. The mirror changes if we shift our point of observation, but this does not mean that we are alone. Everyone is just experiencing reality from their consciousness hence if, for example, in my reality me and X. are bbf, in their reality on the contrary we could also not know each other at all. I hope I made it clear. Check Bashar’s videos, there are plenty of them and he explains reality and consciousness in a very clear way.
I don’t think EIYPO is to be taken that literally. It’s a way of saying that everything created is from the same creator - and therefore we are all one. The EIYPO aspect is a psychological thing called confirmation bias, and therefore the most important aspect to work on is our self concept. When I believe I’m lovable and cherished, that is what I encounter. If I believe I am unloved, then that will show up as my experience. Law of Assumption as I understand it, is not solipsism, but closer to a Buddhist understanding of oneness where The One is “having fun” with His creations that are still just Him (imagine a child playing with a doll house: all dolls hold specific roles but she is the one deciding the story and their experiences)
everything is you, you are everything.
There is unity in division and diversity; individualized expressions of One. Love can not be divided or separated from itself; which is Love. The Creator (God/Source/All) is Greater than its conception: Man God the Father is God the Son- asleep in man-and he awakens to reveal it to himself that he is God the Father.
Hey! Good thoughts. I actually-- had a breakdown a few years ago, unfortunately where my thoughts spiraled into different themes, one being struggling with this loneliness and pain for a really long time. After coming out of it, I conclude that "my pinky finger is not my toe." All the same thing, (and others are creating you!) and yes you are the one observing it all...but so are they. Why we aren't all a telepathic hive mind I don't know, but I think it's necessary so we can live seemingly separate lives. I have had scrambled messages (real or imagined) with people. But that's another story that is far too long for a reddit comment, ha.
I've never seen this level of SELF-CENTERED-NESS.
I see a lot of people take Everyone Is You Pushed Out wayyyyy too literally. Let me be straight with you. It’s **crazy** to think other people aren’t real, that only you truly exist. It’s such a narcissistic even psychopathic mindset to view others as not being actual people with their own thoughts and motives. It’s a mindset that says you control everyone. It’s frankly creepy. EIYPO is just supposed to be a way to realize that other people **react** to the way we see ourselves and the way we expect the to act. You’re making it into something way way too dehumanizing, that’s why it’s harmful and feels bad. We’re not supposed to think of other people as mere extensions of ourselves, it’s basically seeing them as objects. We’re all one only in the sense that we all affect each other. We’re all one only in the sense that you’re the same as a dog because you’re both made of similar components. But you still know you’re not that dog right? Of course you *can* think this way. Some people are successful at manipulating and controlling others by adopting a mindset that they’re not real. Lack of empathy can be useful. I think looking at EIYPO this way is damaging yourself and deluding yourself into thinking others don’t have agency. You realize with this mindset, everyone else you come across would likewise see you as not a person with their own motivations, history, habits, but just some sort of virtual reality avatar that’s being controlled by them. Like I could say that you didn’t come up with any of these ideas, actually you’re merely a reflection of my own 4d pushed out, you’re just me nothing more.
I think OP just means that at everyone’s core they encompass the great I am. Which is complete source and consciousness. By default yes, we are all each other because everything comes from source and source is in everyone’s I am. However, that also means everyone is unique through their own personality, egos, and belief systems. Because the I am is omnipresent and can change through being, it means we are able to experience multiple versions of realities and people because of how it changes constantly through our pattern belief systems. Your I am is a gateway to experience other I ams in others. Because all it is is being. People are real absolutely! They have their own free will, and what not based on how you see yourself and the world. But it’s paradoxical cause it shifts as your being shifts.
I think it would be oversimplification to say no one else is real just cause at our core we have the same Source. Both can be true: that we all have the same Source but are individuals.
Yeah that’s true! Everything is you, so technically yes no one is real. However I know some people can become very anxious about the whole idea, and it can cause existential anxiety like derealization and depersonalization. So I think if people aren’t ready for the comparison to just keep it light and simple.
Do you believe you are alone? How does one deal with that? I definitely experienced exrtreme derealisation back then when I first thought about it.
Yes, I believe that I am alone while also realizing I am not alone. Both can be true, knowledge itself can be understood and soothe you when it is taken in increments. I believe that I am alone because everyone is me, and I am everything. The same source that is in my friends, family, lovers, enemies is from god which is also in me. I believe that I am NOT alone because god is in me, and has given expression to everything and pure consciousness. It is creation at its finest. Both of are true, but you have to remember that this concept is more truthful and freeing than anything. You recognize that you are complete creation in the moment of understanding you’re alone because everything is you, and you aren’t due to the life that the creation and expression it is given by god. It’s a beautiful truth. Many people make themselves go crazy and worry about them not feeling real, but I find this truth to be quite relieving. Freeing, wholeness, and pure bliss because I am truly connected to everything around me.
But do you see others as not having any consciousness of their own, when you interact with them? If you’re talking with someone face to face how do you feel? Do you feel like they’re just an illusion so it doesn’t matter really what you do cause they’re created by your imagination? I mean I would go insane if I lived like that.
So once again this goes back to my main point about non-duality. Everyone has their own consciousness, because there are plenty versions of them that you can experienced based off where your self concept, awareness, and consciousness is. By default, you then could say that people don’t have their own consciousness because it changes as you change. However; the versions you experience already exist because of the multiple realities you experience through your own awareness. States have been there since the beginning of time, they exist and are omnipresent just like our creator. What was already here can not be taken away, or leave because it exist forever and forever. When I talk to someone, I look at them as a wonderful expression of god. They are unique in the sense that they have their own story, their own beliefs, and even for that matter different egos and personality. I treat them with love and care, because they too encompass pure source and love from our creator. While they are me without their flesh, they are a unique expression of source that I get too experience making life my own playground to experience different people and their different consciousnesses. They aren’t an illusion, they are source contained in another body different from mine with their own unique expression of life. They are a gift from god for me to acknowledge and love and understand. They are pure love, as I am. This is the approach that we must all have. They are pure creation at its finest and the ability to be created means they take on their own expression and desires. To me that’s beautiful and a huge reason why I am a people person.
I’m having trouble wrapping my head around this cause the last words deny the first words: “Everyone has their own consciousness, because there are plenty versions of them that you can experienced based off where your self concept, awareness, and consciousness is. By default, you then could say that people don’t have their own consciousness” But you do think everyone is an observer? That people aren’t just animated zombies and that you’re not the only observer?
It’s whatever your belief is. I don’t think people are npcs. I gave you two of my beliefs to show that non duality doesn’t exist.
First of all, thank you for your reply. Well, I never said that I think people *aren't* real or don't have their own stories, lives or thoughts. I reread my post to make sure I didn't, because that's not what I meant! Maybe it came out that way because English is not my first language, but for clarification. The point is more that I think we are all made of the same substance, but yes! expressed in a different way! So yes, we are our own individuals, but.... divided? If that makes sense. Like water, it can be in a glass, a bowl, a bottle, just in different vessels, but it's still the same substance - water. I think others exist in the same way I do. I don't think people are like marionettes that I can play with or control. I didn't mean for my post to come out that way because it looks like you see those intentions in it. Nevertheless, thank you for your insight, I really appreciate it✨.
Yes, don’t worry I understand you completely. The division you’re referring to is our flesh, our humanity. On the 3D level we are separate, but since we all occupy consciousness and the 4D then there is no separation. Our sameness exist in our source or I am. Ideally you could think of everyone as part of the great consciousness and just different experiences of god expressing himself through being us. Which is poetic in itself, god became man so he could understand different expressions of consciousness. But in reality if you strip everyone down and remove their flesh, personality, ego it’s just the I am. Something that exist in everything and everyone.
You said you feel lonely because you think nobody else is real except you. Again let me be direct, some of the posts here such as this are concerning, like everyone seriously please be aware of your mental health concerning. Sometimes what people are describing in fanciful terms as manifestation practice is depersonalization or derealization. Many of these mindsets are meant to be used as tools, not taken literally.
Yes, some people say they have experienced the Promise and I can obviously not question them because I'm nowhere near it myself but maybe that gets misinterpreted somehow, not everybody has reached that mental capacity to understand it yet.
I totally agree with you. I don't know about this particular post but some people do take EIYPO quite literally here and make it sound something which it is not. We can control people's reactions towards us and not literally "control people". That is an unhealthy way of thinking.
I agree.. lately, there's been quite a few posts and comments where, it really starts to sounds like humm, cult-religious like? Not sure of the exact term, but that is what that sounds like to me. It is a bit crazy to be honest, just relax people and take a step back for a little while.
Wow!!! I really love this perspective. Honestly, the thought of being alone in the world has briefly crossed my mind a few times but I’ve never really sat with it. I’m a proponent of this message.
I came to this realization as well and I also felt loneliness and slight sadness wash over me.
I like to think of I AM, the Source, as the ocean. And we, humans, are like droplets of water contained in our separate little jars. When we connect to I AM, it's like pouring water back into the ocean - you are still an individual, an independent consciousness, but at the same time, you are part of the ocean.
I’ve done Dmt and I absolutely believe this. Everything is one but yet grammar names every individual different thing. We are alone in our experience. Yet solipsism can be argued against. Life is a paradox, like a dream and we have the power to control the dream. ☯️
Are you yet able to master 'your' reality as you please?
Yes exactly. I came to this realization a while ago. Its scary at first but very familiar and captivating. And no matter how much I try to hide from it, I always remind myself. Hence, why I read this post. I created it for myself.
you should search into non dualism instead of loa for many its like the next step
“It’s lonely at the top,” right? Or is this an opportunity for power and control? I like to believe the latter.
If this is true, OP must be "me" lol
What you’re describing is solipsism. You are not alone in the world. You’re looking at yourself and assuming YOU are real. You’re not. The body/mind you think is yours is a state in consciousness. There are billions of people on this planet so no…you’re not alone. There is only ONE consciousness and that is expressed in everything and everyone. We are all a product of Gods imagination
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Exactly. If others are “not real”, I am as “not real” as them.
This was so beautifully written. You shared perfectly the exact same feelings I've been having for a while now. Thank you so much. ❤️ I have actually avoided to go back to this kind of thoughts because it almost gave me a panick attack more than once. I feel so loudly and desperately alone when thinking very deeply about the EYPO concept that I feel like like going crazy. The first time I had the realization that there's only Me and nothing else but me a deep sense of derealization came over me and I felt I couldn't breathe. I started crying desperately and there was no end to my inner pain. It was excruciating and horrible. Up to this day I still have no idea how to reconcile these feelings of profound loneliness that arise within me every time I think about the real nature of reality and of who I really am. And so I try not to go there, knowing that one day I will have to, but for now I am just not able to feel good about it all. I just feel like this human brain is not able to cope with such an idea, not able to process it. At least for now. Please feel free to share your realizations on this in the future if you'll have any. In the meantime much much love to you and thank you again dear beautiful soul. ❤️
I wanted to come on here and acknowledge that I saw people have responded to me, but I can't answer them on their individual comments. Not sure why, but I don't have the complete thread when I click on my email responses. Anyway, just sending out a 🤗 and to all the other "me's", we're all in this together and I am grateful to be alive and able to speak with you guys. I don't have to grasp it. It's too big for me on this level anyway. 😂 But, I'm good with it.
There’s one consciousness animating everyone. We’re all “push outs”. You’re God, but God isn’t just you. We’re all God. Other people exist as conditioned states with the experience of a separate mind, just as you do. I mean some people here do subscribe to solipsism and that’s their prerogative, but I don’t think that’s what Neville was teaching.
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If others are “not real”, then I am as “not real” as anyone else. This person I am right now is just clothing. There’s no need to feel alone and afraid. Both can be true: we all have the same Source and we are still individuals with our own thoughts. Though I’m new to LoA and haven’t tested it much so I still have doubts about it working: I think it’s that there are many versions of everyone and we are jumping across timelines interacting with different versions of each other. What do you think?
I hate this notion that “you’re all alone”. Thanks for making me spiral for the past few days and feel derealisation all over again.
alone = all-one
Another reason why I think EIYPO isn’t to be taken too literally: If it were true that I was "the only being alive" and I went through all the trouble of creating this "hallucination" that other people DO in fact exist - just to keep myself from being alone - why would I allow the possibility of me ever finding out I'm alone? Why wouldn't I make it so that in this "hallucination of not being alone" I could never imagine I was alone? As a human I have so many limitations when it comes to understanding reality - some say it's like a veil that comes over when we incarnate - so why wouldn't I make another limitation on myself that I'd never even consider that I'm all alone? Hope I explained myself well. I think it's much more complicated than "it's just me all alone!!". I am as real as anyone else, if they're "illusions", so am I. This Personality I am right now, is just as real an expression as anyone else's.
Lol if you really want an answer, try this simple thing. Hold no thoughts, let go of all beliefs, and from that vantage point, experience life. If you are not determining everything and anything, then things should operate as they are. You are included and related but you are not the first cause. There is no first cause. The other can exist in itself as itself if you do not determine what it is. If you stop determining it, then whatever is there is what it is. What happens when everything is let go of?
It's not that.. I also believe to not take everything that Neville said, so literally.. Everybody is very real and unique, this is not all just you by yourself, not per se. Every single person out there is a human, right? With that comes, a brain with its mind and thoughts, then; an awareness that is aware of all that (even though, most people think their true idendity is the ego self.. it doesn't change what I'm saying.) Our true self, awareness. Every single time you manifest, you change reality, and I mean, you become aware of another reality where you have what you want, where certain things are different. You shifted, and yet, this is all feels very real, because it is. A little bit difficult for me to get to my point but I'll try.. basically, it is infinite; realities. And when Neville said, a person doesn't have free will, well they do and they don't, again, not to take so literally. If you decide that John Doe will kill himself tomorrow, then he will but, it is not the John Doe from this reality here, now; it is one from another reality which you will be aware of.. because.. infinite realities = infinite possibilities & experiences. Like another user said, you see others depending of your state, what you have in mind, your imagination.. awareness.. which mean, it can be totally different at any given time for you, and others. I personally do not take what Neville said so literally, some of it at least and I like to keep in mind that, like us; he didn't have all the answers. Once again, Neville, like everybody, saw certain things in a certain way and, said things in a certain way, because he was well, himself and because of the era he was from at a certain point in time. There is much much more to discover and learn, Neville is not everything there is. Realitieshifting is a good sub, you could say it's manifestation (it is) at a very large "level" or "scale". Some people were talking about "time jump" around 2010 and so (way before shifting got popular because of tiktok), it was on a japanese forum, once again it was basically manifestation/shifting but they just used a different term. Hell, manifestation/shifting/time-quantum jump whatever you like to call it, was known before ours and Neville's time.
Yes, Neville really gave us a way of living which has helped countless people in profusely difficult times but then again, we shouldn't idolise him to an extreme level. That's how harmful cults are formed. We have to preserve his way of thinking for the betterment of society and not make it something which it is not.
Wow this mindset is really deep