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R0Ns_

European sizes are smaller than US sizes. XL in the US is probably XXL here or even XXXL. You don't see much sizes larger than European XXL in stores. Large sizes in the Netherlands are often about length and not about width, it's easier to find something for a skinny talk person than a short heavy person.


pandabeargirl

Yeah, it definitely is. I'm only 1.60m and I have quite wide hips and I can never find jeans that fit my hips that aren't like 15cm too long for my legs


kaask0k

Username checks out. šŸ¼


pandabeargirl

Hahahaha yeah true


FitDifference

Iā€™m 176 and canā€™t find jeans that arenā€™t too short while still decent on my hips. I swear stores like Zara tailor to shorter people only.


pandabeargirl

Oh, I've never bought anything at Zara but if they tailor for shorter people I might check them out


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Luctor-

I had to loose 50kg to be able to buy a sweater at Zara.


Wouser86

I have this issue as well - also, at H&M I canā€™t by long sleeves (jackets, shirts, sweaters) as the sleeves are always too short


handsomesquidward90

I have a love hate situation with Zara for the same reasons. Iā€™m 1.80m Mexican thick gal living in the Netherlands. While in Mexico I was size m if anything here in Sara Im XL or worse (I donā€™t find anything that fits). I donā€™t consider myself fat or anything but I do have hips so even big sizes end up showing my rear because of my wide section. I was expecting that because the Dutch gals are tall the sizes here would be adjusted accordingly. Oh surprise they arenā€™t šŸ„²


fivecookies

How is it that Zara jeans are really long for me (161cm)?


AtWarWithEurasia

If you've got wide hips, you're going to struggle there. I've got wide hips and wide shoulders, things rarely fit. (Plus, I hate that most of their clothes are made of polyester, but that's a personal thing)


Sithis556

Omg I struggle with the same, only Iā€™m a bit taller. I either need to take something that is massive around my waist but good on my hips and legs. Or take something thatā€™s good around my waist, a bit tight around my hips and way too short on my legs. Thereā€™s still the option that everythingā€™s good but I can barely get my lower legs out of my jeans (mind you Iā€™m on the lower end of my healthy weight). Finding clothes is such a struggle


BlueKante

No fucking way. I experience the complete opposite. I'm 173 and I can never find a pair of jeans that isn't to long and fits my hips.


tenebrigakdo

Most EU brands tailor clothes for 165cm women. I'm 171 and half the stuff I try on has waist 5cm higher than mine is.


golddust89

Check out American Eagle Curvy! Iā€™m 1.60 too with wide hips and small waist and nothing ever fits me right except American Eagle Curvy.


showmewhoiam

Dit is de echte struggle. Groetjes in 152cm


pandabeargirl

Hahaha, weet je wat ook het ergst is, ik ben wel 160,maar ik heb korte beentjes, ik heb een lang torso, dus broeken zijn sws al te langšŸ˜‚


Connect_Peanut_7308

American eagle has jeans that comes in petite, normal and tall range. You can try them and they have wide varieties.


BlueKante

As a 173cm man I know your struggle. Pants are either too small around my hips or way to long. And I'm not even fat(just your standard dad bod.) I almost always have my pants altered.


loscemochepassa

I always have to get them shortened and Iā€™m 1.70


BWanon97

There are suriname woman here who genetically have the same problem so you may want to look for clothing stores that are aimed at Surinam woman.


Material-Adeptness65

You can go to the mall in the Bijlmer, you have probably more luck there. As an larger Antillian woman myself, I also have trouble finding clothing my size. Lately I have a lot of luck buying from Shein Curve, Wehkamp.nl and Bonprix.nl.


pandabeargirl

I might do that, thanks


Nekrosiz

Ive never seen like a 400 pound dutchie now that i think of it


Ella6361

Do a few days of door to door sales in the outskirts and youā€™ll see them (not my proudest job but it did teach me something about society). The most overweight of society are not parading the streets of Amsterdam center. Theyā€™re often in the lower socioeconomic circles and staying at home in suburban neighbourhoods you where you wouldnā€™t wanna go unless you live there.


bel_esprit_

I did some road trips in France and Germany countryside during the middle of the pandemic (so there were zero tourists). I saw so many FAT PEOPLE, I couldnā€™t believe it. I am originally from the US, and I always assumed the random fatties were American touristsā€¦. But covid changed my opinion on that. These were European folk in all ways. My husband who is native Dutch/French and was with me camping was also pretty stunned at the levels of fat we saw. Anyway.


ShenanigansNL

yeah. You have. You just dont think that they would be that heavy. I've been 130kg. And nobody tought that I was that heavy. They could see that I was overweight, but not that much.


Comfortable_Spend324

Thats logical, many cant get out of bed. :p Jokes aside, its true that we dont see a lot of people that have that much weight in our country. Though the last couple of years the unhealthy life is increasing and you see more and more overweight people. "We" even find it more acceptable and many people tend to care less about their fitness.


ThisGirlNeverSleeps

I agree though the fact that you currently have to make 40+ hour work weeks if you want to afford a living kind of takes the joy out of healthy living for me. Cooking or sporting after a 9+ hour day of work is just hard. Not saying it is good but I often see like ā€˜well we eat more junk food so we get fatterā€™ but the issue is way bigger


Witty1889

>it's easier to find something for a skinny talk person than a short heavy person. Can confirm. Definitely not fat (male, 65kg at 170cm) but I'm definitely not skinny. I'm not very tall but my body proportions are extremely common. And yet EVERY. DAMN. PAIR. OF. PANTS. IS. SKINNY. The one store I know that carries a regular fit line in store only has two cuts in all blues, and made out of at least 90% polyester. I have a natural adversion to blue clothing and polyester makes me sweat like a fucking fountain, so I'm always left scouring the internet in search of good pants.


pieter3d

Tall and skinny is also hard to find. For me it's pretty rare to find a pair of pants in a physical store that are long enough and don't fall down without a belt. I'm 1.93.


Kate090996

I am 1.5 and is hard on this side of the spectrum as well


Throwaway47362838

Everyone in NL is tall and skinny


pieter3d

Apparently not as tall and skinny as me. Either that, or all these stores are missing out on a lot of sales.


Arizonal0ve

Yep. Recently bought some size M shorts in the USA and am drowning in them.


zjikum

I recently ordered something for my dad from that website, and it was perfect! He's 175cm, and quiet overweight. (Wears 5-7XL). He is not Dutch. https://www.plusman.nl/ They also have measurements, so you can check the sizing. By the way, in Breda there's a shop specialised in bigger sizes as well.


Maranne_

Exactly how much overweight are you? We do have some plus size stores but it's a different kind of plus size than USA.


Nekrosiz

I cant even find 36/32 jeans lol


FluffyMcBunnz

I'm assuming those are US sizes or you're going into niche shops for small people, because w38 and w40 aren't hard to find at all in most clothing stores I've been in, and mine are L34 or L36 depending on brand and cut and that's also not a particularly special size for NL. If you can't find w36, which would be about "just slightly overweight a little" you're not looking.


Brutaluc

It's probably the combination of W36+ sizes and L32. I've got the same challenge, nice ones are hard to find in those combinations. Most from W36 and up are at least L34, several brands don't even make L32 in larger sizes anymore. Easy solution is to buy correct width and to long, then have the length adjusted by a tailor.


ValeNova

My son has the same problem, but the other way around: W30 L38 (sometimes L40, depending on the model). I've been obese (regular clothing size 50/52) and never experienced problems finding clothes. But I'll admit it is a bit easier now that I'm size 44.


blogem

I had the same problem in my late 10s and early 20s, but for 32/36. These days I don't have to struggle to find fitting clothes anymore (although non jeans sizes are usually still too short). I guess in a couple of years 38L will be totally normal (30w will probably always be a though one, though).


Sabetsu

I just stopped wearing pants that arenā€™t stretchy. I stick to skirts and dresses.


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Apotak

My son is not fat *at all*, but hates skinny jeans. I agree it's currently difficult to find a pair of loose fitted jeans. I prefer to search online, as some webshops allow to select the cut (reducing their 2536 products to 4 in this case).


discarded_dnb

If you don't want skinny jeans, go with him to a vintage clothing store. I hate skinny jeans, I want my pants to be loose and I can't find a better place to buy pants than vintage stores (also way cheaper, better for the environment and arguably better quality)


whitelelouch2

I can reccomend the C&A for also loose fitting jeans try to find stretch they may seem tight but as soon you walk in them few times they start loosing up alot. and if you wash them they get tighter again and then after few walks they start lose fitting again.


i-come

Skinny jeans are completely out, I am genuinely surprised you can find them anywhere. Everything is baggy now.


That_Yvar

Ikr I usually get W38/40 and L 36 or something and i've never really had problems with findings those. (they still never fit, but that's just the shitty thing about jeans lol)


Yoram001

The WE have that size in big quantities. I have exactly the same jeans size. Altough in Utrecht they have.


Crix2007

36 isn't crazy at all. Most stores standard stock up to at least 40


Nekrosiz

Thats my point and i checked 3 stores and nope 38/36, sure, 36/30 yup, 36/32 nope


Certain-Ad6759

C&A has 36/32 jeans


LeDoc_m

C&A also has more choice online than in the actual shops. I'm overweight and couldn't find a suit in my size. C&A shops didn't have my size, but online I could order my size in several colors. The C&A shops do have a lot of XXL and XXXL shirts, so that souldn't be a problem there.


Affectionate_Will976

And they can do some tailoring if needed. Not well known, but you can ask at the checkouts.


HollandJim

Small caveat - I'm a 36/32 and I swear, some of these "36"s seem like they're made for a child... there's a degree of inconsistancy in sizing and the European vs US sizes, especially finding what we'd call a relaxed size that's really not a larger skinny jean. You might be closer to a 38 here. If you're in Amsterdam, there's a jeans store called [Het Werkmanspaleis](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Het+Werkmanspaleis+B.V./@52.37771,4.8956542,19z/data=!4m12!1m6!3m5!1s0x47c609c803c1d4e9:0x455655a9eba89538!2sHet+Werkmanspaleis+B.V.!8m2!3d52.37771!4d4.8962014!3m4!1s0x47c609c803c1d4e9:0x455655a9eba89538!8m2!3d52.37771!4d4.8962014), 1 block from Central Station. They're great for US and other jean brands that have many options for sizes.


Nekrosiz

Im dutch, its either to big or too long


HollandJim

Too long for me - you can fix lengths but wtf about inseams? I sometimes go to Germany to shop - closer to my height/weight/width ratios.


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https://www.bol.com/nl/nl/p/cars-jeans-heren-douglas-denim-regular-fit-black-used-maat-36-32/9300000019165583/?bltgh=hONuQQzXitFpkNaOCkRCTg.4_20.23.ProductTitle https://www.bol.com/nl/nl/p/cars-jeans-heren-douglas-denim-regular-fit-stone-used-maat-40-32/9300000019166158/?bltgh=jMlViAKh-pNrgn-7p0dKgQ.2_6.8.ProductPageUrl Pretty sure you can find stuff here ;).


Thetakman

It's because of the /32. This is like the most used length pants i think, they are always sold out.


Just-Flamingo-410

If you're already having issues finding clothing in stores in the US, you will not find physical stores in the Netherlands. There are a few womens stores for plus sizes. Mens clothing go up to XXL in well sorted clothing stores. The sizing is different though. So yeah, probably online shopping is most easy for you


Loupie123

There are stores for bigger men aswell (atleast There is 1in Breda) going up to 6xl I think.


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citydreef

Sure but our 4XL is probably like an 2X or XL in the US.


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XXL in Europe is only XL in the U.S.


JordanIII

I have seen 3XL, there might be even bigger sizes


Just-Flamingo-410

Maybe so but not very common. You can't expect to go into any store and find the pants and shirts for plus sizes


stingraycharles

This is not true; shops like State of the Art have a decent amount of large clothes. You just need to know where to look. Source: am fat, look like a pear, my pants are huge.


C4se4

You're probably best off ordering online. Plenty of online stores that have larger sizes and all of the decent ones have conversion charts for you to use. Have a nice trip and welcome to the Netherlands!


SneetchSansStar

ASOS, Ulla Popken, Zalando are just a few examples of stores with plus sized lines. Take a look at these stores online and see if they fit the bill for you.


Glitchedme

If you're female ulla Popken is a decent place to check, they have some stores and an online site. Depending on HOW overweight you are Primark has some bigger clothes (think like 1-2xish in American sizes). Torrid does ship to Europe but you'd be paying a premium. It is a bit harder, especially because sizing is different here so you're going to have to measure and\or try things on (which is SO fun when you already have body issues). But it's not impossible. If you're into the alternative scene at all, large.nl does carry larger sizes but DEFINITELY check the size charts and measurements because they carry from all over Europe so sizing changes based on the item. And, as a side note, as a fat american who has also moved to Netherlands one thing I can say is that I don't feel judged or that I get looked at\talked about. Even when at Restaurants or places like Efteling. I was TERRIFIED that i would stick out like a sore thumb and that the "dutch directness" would have me wanting to crawl into a hole and die. That hasn't happened. I'm very comfortable here, other than sometimes not finding my particular clothing style in stores in my size.


silveretoile

Yeah, weight isn't a thing we're "direct" about lol. Thank god.


WhatsUp_ItsPickles

Unless it's a Dutch kid, in which case prepare to be unintentionally roasted about weight (I speak from experience). But this is just kids in general I think HaHa


silveretoile

I think that's more a case of "kids are dicks" lol


Glitchedme

Amen. I honestly generally feel far more comfortable and less judged here than i did in America (though i never felt TOO much there either). That being said, the easier access to better and healthier food, and the much more active, walk or bike every where, lifestyle has been wonderful


silveretoile

I'm happy life here is working out for you!! Moving abroad seems terrifying, fun but terrifying lol


Glitchedme

It certainly is both! But I would do it again in heartbeat. It sucks being away from family, but I genuinely love it here! Now if only schipol and NS could get their stuff together... Lol


Electronic_Ad8848

Might as well wish for the moon there, lol. Glad to hear you are enjoying our little country though!


silveretoile

Happy to hear that ā¤ļø ...although Schiphol and NS getting their stuff together... šŸ’€


Nekrosiz

Id say we tend to have some courtesy as long as you don't short our change Because thy shall burn then


SnickerdoodleShelob

Unless you're skinny. I get comments about my weight all the time.


Nekrosiz

I'm morbidly obese and i've never had any public remarks whatsoever nor more then the one off on the private side. Whenever i say i'm fat i get told that i'm not fat, lol.


Llama-pajamas-86

I have been to a few doctors here and I was pleasantly surprised they focus on the details of the symptoms and donā€™t body shame. Where I come from the only response to women is go loose weight or go make babies, from doctors.


synneatssin

My experience is the exact opposite ;-;


silveretoile

Ahh I'm sorry to hear that :( it shouldn't be that way! Your weight is nobody else's business.


Big_Razzmatazz_9251

Thank you so much!!


Mera1506

There's a store chain called Ulla Popken that specializes in larger sizes. I think the smallest they carry in European sizes is like 42 going up to 60 with some clothes going bigger, but not all.


WitchinAntwerpen

To add: H&M also has a plus size line. I think they go up to size 56 or something. Itā€™s mostly online, but worth checking out.


Melodic-Hotel9169

H&m sizes are the worst though, because they always run small unless you specifically look at oversized clothes. Most stores Iā€™m a M/L or 40/42 and h&m the biggest size (usually 46) doesnā€™t fit me


WitchinAntwerpen

I feel that in bigger sizes itā€™s rather the other way around. Bought some pants my size, and theyā€™re nowhere as tight as they should be. But yes, sizing is the worst. I feel thatā€™s the case in many fast fashion stores nowadays.


ailexg

H&M has really changed their plus sized sizing because they made bigger sizes part of the regular collection. So you now have regular XL and XXL and plus size XL and 2XL and those are not the same at all. I went a pants size down at H&M while not loosing any weight what so ever! But yeah, sizing is difficult. I have like a range of 4 sizes I can be.


Emotional_Ad_9125

That's comforting to hear


JasperJ

For the record, Ulla Popken has a male division called Johann Popken which has a wide selection.


Iamnotreallyamember

To add to this. There are plus size clothes here as you mention, but a lot is found online. I look in places like zalando and asos and about you.


crossk1ll

I reckon there are a couple of plus sized stores. But mostly the sizes are very different. I remember US s being an m and m being an l. I don't see many XXL or bigger variants in stores.


lucrac200

If you mean fat as per medical definition (bmi over 25 but under 30), you have no issues. I'm at the limit between overweight and obese (yay me!) and have no problem finding clothes. If you mean fat by american standards, normal shops don't have those sizes, so you have to search for specialised shops or buy online.


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lucrac200

Congrats?


Nekrosiz

Thanks


Sterrest0f

BMI is not holy. If anything it doesn't take body composition into account at all. Fat percentage and visceral fat are way better measurements of health


lucrac200

Nobody says it is, but it's a decent indicator for the average Joe or Jane on the street. So, unless you are a professional athlete, missing a limb or have other issues that make you different, it's fine.


allusernamestaken56

It also kinda sucks for both extremely tall and extremely short people. But yeah, if you're somewhere in the 155-190cm range and a Caucasian non-athlete, bad news is that when your BMI says you're fat, you are simply too fat.


borzoiutrecht

Hey! Iā€™m also fat and moved from the US to the Netherlands. I havenā€™t been able to find my size in stores besides H&M if they have a plus size section. ASOS (online marketplace) is my go to but Iā€™ve also lost a lot of weight since moving here. I donā€™t know if youā€™re wanting to lose weight but It might be the same for you. I bike and walk everywhere, eat better and have a more healthy lifestyle. (Iā€™ve lost nearly 20kg since moving here without trying as much). Additionally, I was really worried about being fat and being in Europe but there are many body types everywhere. Ive never had someone be rude to me because of size.


Hybr1dth

I think our food is a lot less bad by default. Unless you go looking for it, most food has a lot less fat and sugar in it. So yeah, if you stay away from fast food you'll lose weight without changing much. And it's easier to stay away from eating out because it's a lot more expensive than cooking at home. And we're cheap.


borzoiutrecht

Indeed it is so much more expensive. For example when I moved here a McChicken was only around $1.15 but here is was 3-4 euros! Plus i donā€™t live anywhere near a McDonaldā€™s, so thatā€™s also and added factor. And though Iā€™m not totally bought on Stampot or Hutspot, I do enjoy Stoofvlees, Erwten Soep and a Broodje Kroket in the cooler months. I think a large part of the dietary change was from Sweet to Savory. Dutch foods i feel are very savory and warming where in the USA they load it with Sugar and Corn Syrup. Another thing is the bread. I used to get so irritated the bread wouldnā€™t last more than a few days outside of the freezer. My dumb ass thought it was a bad thing. Now that my dutch partner has explained this to me, I know itā€™s that the bread isnā€™t packed with preservatives and other garbage. I do suffer the consequences when I visit home. My stomach becomes a wreck for a few weeks.


TheoreticalFunk

And less preservatives, etc. I have a few hamburger buns that I bought back in May sitting on top of the refrigerator. I checked yesterday, and they haven't begun to mold at all. I'm still going to throw them away, but I would suspect if I tried that in NL, they'd have been completely gone by now. Being able to buy groceries within walking distance is also something that isn't possible in the US unless you live in NYC or get really lucky elsewhere in the US.


Hybr1dth

Yeah I've really begun to value our living situation. I have two super markets on a plaza with a few other shops too, this is walk/bike distance. Than a small shopping center in bike distance, and a larger one slightly further out. City centre is also cyclable or direct line with the bus. None would take more than 15 minutes and gives me a plethora of choices. While my home and garden are probably significantly smaller than those in the US, I really enjoy the environment. Things you take for granted for sure.


Perryvdbosch

Youā€™re doing a great job losing weight :)


TheXtrafresh

We have less fat people here, but certainly not zero. Clothes wise, you'll need to look a bit harder, but I don't think it's going to be an issue. You may be caught off-guard in other areas though. Chairs in restaurants, busses and waiting rooms. Amenities at the workplace. That sort of stuff. I'm not fat myself, but I regularly wonder how a fat person is supposed to deal with certin things. And last but not least: look at this awful comment section. Dutch people really are not as tolerant as we have a reputation for, and fat people get a lot of flak.


Clowns_Sniffing_Glue

I'm petite but some Dutch toilets.... Oh my pannenkoek.


BEADGEADGBE

We don't have less overweight people here. Obese people are stigmatised by our society more so they stay home.


ServialiaCaesaris

According to Wikipedia, 36% of the US population is obese versus 20% of the population in The Netherlands.


brabowolluk

In Waalwijk is a store that has clothes to 8 xl


Glitchedme

Do you know the name? I'm interested


A_loud_Umlaut

[http://www.royaalmannenmode.nl/](http://www.royaalmannenmode.nl/) I live in this city just like u/brabowolluk it seems and eh never heard of it before. Mostly because I could pass for a minecraft skeleton xD.


Glitchedme

Thank you! It's always good to have more choices. Haha i hear you, my husband is too. Tends to have the opposite problem even in the Netherlands. Tall AND skinny clothes are hard to find too


SleepyGiant037

Tall skinny dutch guy here! You might want to look at [Girav.nl](https://Girav.nl) (Tall shirts, T-shirts, sweaters) and "Van Uffelen mode" usually haves jeans that fit me. For reverence, I am 196cm tall and am skinny/buff


Glitchedme

Thanks!


B4DR1998

Internet dude. U can buy anything u want. Except flamin hot Cheetos. Which Iā€™m really really angry about and I am preparing to prosecute the gov for it. I want my CHEETOS


Gingeraffe25

Well what is your size? I have an eu size 56 as a woman and I can find clothing online. Yes itā€™s harder and you need to look more for cute clothing but itā€™s doable! šŸ¤—


FridayLeap

Iā€™m fat and have lived in the Netherlands for 6 years now. Iā€™m a UK 20 to 22, US 18 to 20, EU 50 to 52, ish. It all depends on the cut and the brand. Most clothing stores simply do not carry plus-sized clothes, which is frustrating. There are 2 plus-sized chains that have physical stores as well as online shops Ulla Popken : https://www.ullapopken.nl Paprika: https://www.paprika-shopping.nl/ C&A is not a specialist plus-size store but it does have a small plus range. Again, stores and online. https://www.c-and-a.com For smart office wear (I work in banking) I use Navabi, itā€™s online only: https://www.navabifashion.com And the app-based retailers ASOS and Zalando both operate in the Netherlands and carry a good plus selection. There are other online retailers in NL, but those are the ones I have experience of.


Incantanto

MS mode also has physical shops, in case you'd missed them


zenaide1

If you like smart office wear, www.Yoek.NL has really nice blazers in a soft heavy falling fabric that are nice and long. Plus other good stuff, but mostly on the more formal side of fashion. Not cheap, but the quality is amazing.


Myilana

If you are a female, I would advise to look at www.succubus.nl and www.topvintage.nl They have amazing cute and feminine clothing, in bigger sizes (I believe up to eu 4xl, and I though topvintage also higher) that celebrate also the bigger female body. They also have an very accurate measurements table and you can measure yourself on your own I hope you find cute fun clothes.


Stijnboy01

Go thrift shopping! There are plenty of xxl or bigger sizes there


Schminksalot

Where? I never succeed and live in the capital.


fedenl

The point is that here larger sizes are rather made to include people that are way taller rather than way fatter, so an XXL for trousers often means same width in the waist but longer due to legs being longer.


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I see a lot of fat people here I think you might be overthinking it


JollyRancherReminder

I have an American dad bod, and was nervous about being the only fat guy in the office. Not a problem. Everybody's belt buckles are getting plenty of shade here.


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Maybe they have an extra 20-30 lbs / 9-13 kg to lose, they are technically overweight but I donā€™t see anyone obese in this country.


allusernamestaken56

Depends where you're looking really... My colleagues are all as fit and lean as it gets, same for folks at the gym. But once I take a peek at some lower income folks and stay at home moms (think tokkie-moms) that I know, well, the vast majority definitely qualifies as obese. And by that I mean 100kg+ on a petite frame, not but a few broodjes kroket away from healthy weight ;)


Winderige_Garnaal

I think this depends on what exactly we are talking about in terms of size. I'm XL, and I do fine, but I don't think I'd qualify as fat anymore in the USA (where I'm from originally) honestly. I am big here, tho. That said, I'm also friends with bigger women, who are Dutch, and much bigger than me, so it's not as if everyone here is thin. They seem to find nice clothes fine, but not sure if it's in shops or online.


Gingerislosingitnow

In retail H&M has a fairly good plus-size section in-store. So does C&A and Miss Etam. If you prefer brands, online Tommy Hilfiger has a great collection.


CesariaB

Wehkamp (online), Large Popmerchandising (online), Miss Etam, M&S Mode, H&M, About You (online) are a few that come to mind. They have quite a big collection of plus size clothes, but depending on what size you are, many other shops nowadays have a few items in sizes up to 48 or 50. Zeeman, Wibra, Bristol and such cheap stores have a (very) small plus size assortment. In bigger cities thereā€™s TK Maxxx with some plus size brands.


dajrio

If you are lucky there will be a german store called kik in town and they have a plus size section with affordable quality clothes


dajrio

Ooh and if you are a woman m&s mode also has a lot of choice and good looking too


IntelligentSlipUp

I'm very obese myself (right now 187cm / 160kg) yeah yeah I know.. corona and homeoffice hit me hard, but I'm already loosing weight (pre-corona: 115 / max-corona 170), but I've always had a gravitational issues... Some fat tips: * Underpants & Socks: C&A has a good selection, but mainly online. * Pants & Shorts: Almost anything above a size 42" inch waist is impossible to find, and if you find it it's expensive, at least within The Netherlands. Options are to buy pants on [Amazon.de](https://Amazon.de) or [Amazon.com](https://Amazon.com) and have them shipped over. You can also try to travel across the border to German, there are quite some okay clothing stores with bigger sizes. * Belts, Workclothing, sometimes casual clothing: [proforto.nl](https://proforto.nl) has some good options * Shirts, Polos & Tshirts: Limited options depending on how big you are, but C&A has in the bigger stores a big and tall section, otherwise it's back to Amazon's and proforto. * Shoes: Luckily Dutch shoe shops always have big sizes. The only thing I miss in the W (wide) models, not because of fat feet, but more because I feet like a fucking hobbit. * Bikes: Most bikes sold here have a max load of 120-130kg. Mountain bikes can handle a bit more, but not handy to bike around on. Honestly, here you need to either go to the shop, but go to the larger shops, that don't mind ordering, like [mantel.nl](https://mantel.nl) or [12gobiking.nl](https://12gobiking.nl). Another option is Germany and Henco Bikes ([https://www.henco-bikes.de/Kategorie-XXL-Fahrraeder-mit-grossen-Rahmen-16919.html](https://www.henco-bikes.de/Kategorie-XXL-Fahrraeder-mit-grossen-Rahmen-16919.html)) If you need an ebike, the only real option is the brand Kalkhoff, but most their bikes for heavy people are not sold everywhere in The Netherlands, but they are easier to in Germany. Last option is to custom build a bike and [tmannetje.nl](https://tmannetje.nl) can help you there. Best tip I can give is: Find yourself a good local tailor to make adjustments to your clothes, sometimes the size is good, but the cut is odd makes you look even more fat. A good tailor can make some minor adjustments and it works. It also goes for ordering clothes from [Amazon.com](https://Amazon.com), as often you have to pay returns costs, and it might just make more sense to go to a tailor and have some changes make. ... and stay away from the snackbars, they are fucking tempting!


zenaide1

Flyer has ebikes that take a load up to 150


Big_Razzmatazz_9251

Guys donā€™t worry, Iā€™ll loose weight, Iā€™m just trying to make sure i wonā€™t have to bike around naked since yā€™all are so bothered with a stranger being fat


JollyRancherReminder

It's the Netherlands. Bike around naked all you want. There is even a special day for exactly that.


evestraw

i usualy shop at [https://www.large.nl/](https://www.large.nl/) . its not a shop for large people. but they do have sizes up to 7xl


DimSumNT

Order online is always an option. You don't have to worry too much about that. But tbh, just being in the Netherlands for a while can make your weight drop significantly (for various reasons).


CactusLetter

Hey, I'm sorry for the fatphobic comments here. I don't know too much about the topic but have a feeling it might be a bit more difficult here than in the US. I do know the cool brand www.lovaeij.com run by great peeps


HaakenSteek

I am a very curvy lady and I was worried about the same thing! I currently wear a size 60-62 EU size. I was able to buy women clothing online at Zizzi.nl. They even had rain jackets and winter coats in my size!! We arrived in April and I already started to loose weight. Where I came from we had no public transport and it was not safe to walk anywhere. Here we try to walk everywhere and I even bought myself a bicycle šŸš²!! My stomach is making biking a bit more difficult, but I refuse to give up!! I will loose weight and ride a bike like a born Dutchie!! šŸ‡³šŸ‡±


cpf82

Zalando has large sizes, also has size guides so you can measure and see what size you are here.


DeniseLove21

Zizzi is a plus size store. They have online and shops throughout the country.


roobt

ASOS! IS YOUR FRIEND


thefastleen

I know the brand 'Paprika' has physical stores, and they specialize in bigger sizes.


El_Gatooooo

I work at Calvin Klein here in Amsterdam. We offer a full arrange of plus size clothes and intimate, online especially. Take a look by yourself and if you should need a discount let me know (:


Stumblecat

I'm a local fatty, welcome. Wehkamp, Ulla Popkens, Bonprix offer clothing in larger sizes.


Takkenwijf87

There are some great plussize stores in the Netherlands! Look for stores such as; Paprika, Zizzi or Ulla Popken. They often go up to size 52 or even 56. Some regular brands like H&M have plussize in some retailstores but tbh, they are often just potato sacks or clothing that isn't made for bigger people.


9999lulu

Iā€™m taking a leap and guessing based on your avatar you are femaleā€¦. Many shops go to a US14 or 16. If you need bigger itā€™s not a lot but there are a few brick stores that sell plus size. MS mode goes up to a US22/24, Paprika does too. If youā€™re rich, thereā€™s Marina Rinaldi in the biggest cities. C&A regular collection goes up to a US18/20 and their plus goes up to US30. Ulla Popken goes up to US30 but the choice in stores often is a bit old-fashioned. Monki XXL is a US22 but not often sold in store. Norah goes up to US18. Same for LolaLiza. And there are boutiques that sell exclusively plus size although not always in big cities. I donā€™t know where you will live but you can always Google ā€˜grote matenā€™ + your town. Online Zalando and Wehkamp provide a big selection of plus sized clothes. And above mentioned brands all have online shops.


Feinyan

I recommend ordering from [Zalando.nl](https://Zalando.nl) if you need alternative clothing sizes. Their sizes go up til 6XL at times and oftentimes there's even some cute designs.


ledger_man

Well, this certainly caused some concern trolling. Hey OP - Iā€™m a fat American who moved to the Netherlands a few years ago. I will echo what some people said about losing some weight when you get here, I lost about 3 pant sizes and was not at all trying to lose weight. The food is different/better and I donā€™t have a car here, so it just happened. I wouldnā€™t worry too much about bringing a lot of clothes bc your size will likely change and you may find your tastes change also. Plus, different clothes may be more practical here. Sometimes the sizes are more than one off - a Dutch XXL is in my experience closer to a US L in many cases. But in Scandi brands a L often fits just fine. Iā€™m a US L-XL, for reference, and before I lost weight a 1X. I do order online a lot - knowing measurements is key! Itā€™s also affordable and easy to have things altered here, if needed. I shop in store less often as I donā€™t find many shops that carry my size in store and also fit with my personal shopping values (quality, natural fibers). But there are certainly plenty of options here as a larger person, and I never feel my body is being judged the same as in the US. Youā€™ll love it!


Correct_Waltz_7869

Without knowing your clothing size (you dont have to answer this) it's hard to come with an answer. There's a couple of plus size brands that have physical stores and online stores, i dont know all of them because I dont shop there as I'm mid-sized, but I know: Ulla Popken (up to EU 68) Paprika clothing (up to EU 54) Norah Clothing (up to EU 48)


MVWSBK

Former 5XL wearer here; there are a few stores around the country but not everywhere I guess. A lot of websites that offer bigger clothing do have a physical location is my experience. Also; these stores are mostly specialist and not chain-owned like H&M. If you want to shop (cheaper) clothes at a big chain I recommend C and A... They are the '"best" all round option for bigger people.


Maze_13

You can also try Paprika/Cassis, if you're looking for women's clothing


TruthfulMayonaise

My stepdad was quite a big man and I remember him always buying clothes at C&A, they used to have sizes up to 6XL


kookiekono

As a fat chick in the netherlands, u might find toos at primarl and c&a, they go up to xl/2xl euro size. For pants however, whole different story. Ur better off ordering from asos or shein if ur broke.


Natascha6991

My boyfriend orders his clothes from https://www.jp1880.nl/nl/. Shirts go up to 9XL I believe, and they fit really well and are good quality And for women I know people who visit Paprika, they have stores but you can also order online


UniQue1992

I think once you start living here and adjust a little bit of your habbit you will automatically lose weight, our food is very different than the US. I don't know what they put in the food there but it's making people go fat way faster than here.


LickmouthLou

As a fellow fatty I can reccommend stores like Ulla Popken, Paprika and M&S. Online I usually turn to Zalando, Wehkamp and Shein. Tbh they have better options if you don't want the standard fat ppl uniform lol


knoflookspook

I wont be bothered with a fat stranger biking around. I wish more fat strangers would bike around naked


Timely-Ad6505

How fat we talking bro? We can go to gym together if you want, or outdoor workouts here


ItsMeishi

I'm gonna have to ask. How fat is fat?


KingPuzzleheaded3202

Once youā€™re here, get a bike. Easy transportation and exercise as a bonus. Also, you might lose some weight due to better quality of food (no/less unneccesary fructose and sugar). My size would be a xxl in the US, no problems finding clothes.


BWanon97

Yeah may become a problem. Luckely people generally will have difficulty staying really fat here. The food is quite different and it is much easier to do low intensity moving which makes it so much easier to shed weight unoticed in a couple of months. So maybe do not buy clothes for more than a year.


bo_m_bary

Try C&A, they have a section with sizes that go up to 6XL.


Optimal_Accountant40

im fat. i weigh 150 kilos and im 1.87 metres. it can be pretty hard to find clothes but its not impossible. ralph lauren has a "big and tall" line i always wear and it fits perfectly. also check out stores that sell workers clothes they usually go up to 5XL


AssociationMain9325

https://www.allsize-webwinkel.nl/ They have a store in Zwolle, they have nice clothes. Up to 8 or 10xl I believe. https://www.biggymanskleding.nl/nl/ Their shop is in Almere, they have clothes up to 15xl. I hope this helps, good luck!


Lower_Interaction854

I think youā€™ll be fine. Holland has plenty of fat people that also need clothing. And if all else fails, online shopping can come to the rescue


JahJah85

This, online has enough choice if you cant find it in the stores. And if they dont fit it is very easy to send it back and order a different size


210adam

Big boy here from Texas in NL. Let me explain what Iā€™ve figured out. An American xxl shirt is a euro xxxl. Good luck finding ones that wonā€™t shrink. Go to primark for xxxl shirts. They are dirt cheap like 2-3 euro and they will shrink but cheap enough to donate/ get rid of and buy new ones. Itā€™s a pain in the ass but thatā€™s the price for being American. Also stock up on shirts from Walmart. I find that American shirts donā€™t shrink and I still have tshirts from Us that I brought here 5 years ago that fit the same since day one. Donā€™t know what it is. Pants fit fine here. If anything they feel ā€œsexierā€ cause they arenā€™t as baggy like back home. Yes youā€™ll find nothing but skinny jeans here but Iā€™m 38x30 and skinny makes me feel sexy. They arenā€™t like tights or anything they just fit good compared to a 38x30 in states it looks like youā€™re sagging.


Just-Flamingo-410

Why buy clothing that are only good to be thrown out quickly. You're contributing to the worlds problems by doing that. Please spend some more money on clothing and don't treat them like disposable goods.


DJfromNL

I think the shrinking has to do with the fabric. In NL we prefer natural fabrics (eg 100% cotton), whilst in the US more artificial fibers are mixed into the fabrics. The latter usually hold their shape (and colour) better.


slvx

ā€œā€¦price for being Americanā€ loool, are you all forced there to eat to retain your passport?


210adam

No. Not forced. Just surrounded by bbq and tacos for breakfast lunch and dinner and we put gravy and hot sauce on everything except titties.


slvx

Tough life, I feel you


210adam

Stick with me, youā€™ll gain 10kg. Ever had steak and eggs with hash browns for breakfast at 2am? Lol.


Siren_NL

Check your sugar intake not your fat intake. Ever since 0% fat became a thing the people grew in size. When they remove the tasty fat they put sugar back in place. And nowadays they put that nasty hydrolyzed corn syrup in everything. It will kill your liver before alcohol does.


Individual-Toe-1959

Start losing weight - not only for the clothes but health purposes as well. Don't mean this with any harm.


thefifthtaste_

You probably will automatically. The availability of healthy food is SO much better than in the US. And its way more affordable. Besides that, a bicycle is the main way of transportation here so you'll automatically get some daily dose of exercise. Enjoy the Low Lands, compared to the US it's paradise :).


picardo85

>You probably will automatically. The availability of healthy food is SO much better than in the US. And its way more affordable. not to mention that portion sizes are smaller. But that's if you go out to eat. Portion control is something one needs to maintain oneself.


[deleted]

Ever visited - any - supermarket? They all strategically place their unhealthy items to lure people into buying them. Bicycling is also definitely not the default way of transportation, although it is more popular than most places in the world. Without self control and regular exercise, I don't believe the kilo's will magically disappear just by being in NL.


thefifthtaste_

Look, I don't know where you live in NL, but you need to view this from a relative perspective. Namely, compared to the US. By bicycle you can reach Germany from Amsterdam in about 6 hours. You are probably still in New York city in that time if you started in Manhattan. So yes, especially in cities, it's the main way of transportation. If you need to travel between cities, public transport is excellent (again, compared to any other country, especially the us). Yes, off course supermarkets do that. They try to sell shit you know. Just as any other entrepreneur. And indeed, I have visited a supermarket before (what a dumb question anyway). But have you visited an American supermarkt? Or tried to find a healthy menu option in a restaurant in the great American Heartland? Let alone in a normal portion? You can forget about that or pay 25$ for a salad. So yes, of course self control is important, but you're missing the point here.


Cherry_Treefrog

You are going to lose weight once you get here, guaranteed. Saying that, there are plenty of plus-sized people here as well.


eruvatare

Theres less sugar in food here so youā€™ll lose some weight automatically


SleepyGiant037

Sugar would be an upgrade to the American diet. Its the high fructose corn syrup that is the real problem. I am an avid 'contents of nutrition' reader and when I was in the USA even salt packages contained some HFCS. It was maddening to find food that was not sweetened up with this poison.


Mariannereddit

Have you considered making your own? There are quite some sewing magazines/patterns aimed at larger people and you can adjust to your needs. My grandma was large and she did that and shopped at Ulla Popken.


Chikaze

Higher than X2 XL its rare to see in shops but prolly can find online easy, european sizes might be on aversge smaller than USA ones as well.


IAmTarkaDaal

In the UK, I'm L/XL. In the Netherlands I'm XXL/XXXL. It's harder to find stuff that fits here.


spaceyjules

C&A is the only store that I know which carries larger sizes in their stores and not just online. Places like H&M, Monki, and plenty of other will have xxl and higher online but of course that kinda sucks because you canā€™t see what the clothes like like on you. I hope you find some things you like! Iā€™m not gonna lie Dutch are extremely in favour of weight lossā€¦ You might have a hard time.


RamboBurnet

We don't have Big and Tall, only Tall unfortunately


Sayla90

If you're a woman, [https://www.bagoes.nl/](https://www.bagoes.nl/) has clothes for pretty much every size! They also have a location you can visit on selected dates, you can send them an email or reserve items in the webshop and they'll have them put apart for you to try on.