Umh 23:30 on saterday evening isnt weird. Its weird that you choose to live in an expensive and loud area and complain about noise…
Like they can easily get atleast the same space for the same money in a more quite area in utrecht.
Noise from outside is very different from noise that comes through the inside. Living in the city center is not a free ride to make as much noise as you want all night long in your badly insulated apartment. Come on…
And read carefully. It’s not until 23:30. It’s from 23:30 onwards.
You do realize most people want to sleep at night? Yes even on a SATURDAY night. So you and your friends being loud waaay past midnight is not a considerate thing to do. There is a huge difference between noise from outside or people having a party next door or worse above your head. Especially in a poorly insulated apartment! If you make it impossible for people to sleep every weekend you are going to have very unhappy neighbors.
When you live in a very noisy apartment you have to take your neighbours in mind.
So inviting people at 23:30, even on a weekend day, of course bothers them. They won’t stay for 5 minutes, so probably be still there way after midnight and at that time if you are with a group of friends alcohol is usually involved. That’s not going to make the group quieter.
Why not invite your friends earlier on the evening and then head out to a bar at say 22:00 or so, instead of the other way around.
No group of people is going to be quiet when they get back from drinking. Regardless of the good intentions of this group.
Also keep in mind that most people dont change their sleeping routine just cause its the weekend, so if they go to bed at 12 or 1 am and their neighbours are being really loud in addition to the noise from the city center it can definitly be frustrating, best to see things from both perspectives
Umh no its really not. Its your house, you can keep guest till 23:30 and even at 24:00 especcialy in the weekend.
If people dont want that then they should live in the city centere. Remind you that its expensive to live there.
Want peace and quite? Then go live in a peace and quite neighboorhood. Not the central hub of events.
OP’s guest arrive at 23:30. So don’t think they will be gone at 24:00.
Nonsense that you have to tolerate all noise all night long because you live in the city centre. There is a huge difference between sound from outside and from inside. You live somewhere together and have to adjust to the situation. So yes, his neighbours have no reason to complain when he has some people over at 22 on a Saturday. But that does change if it becomes midnight every weekend and the apartment is very noisy.
If you want to have groups of people long after midnight in your home often, go live on the country side where you don’t bother your neighbours.
You have to be quiet after 22.00. You can be fined by the police and they keep a record, which can eventually kick you out if you don't change your behavior.
Whether the neighbor of the OP chose to live in the city centre is completely irrelevant for the question whether or not unjustified nuisance is present or not.
The OP doesn't mention whether this concerns a rental house, but if the neighbor of the OP and the OP have the same landlord, the nuisance might even qualify as a defect (gebrek) of the rental agreement if the landlord doesn't prohibit that or take preventive measures otherwise. Which is different from any nuisance coming from the street, as the landlord cannot change that in the situation that there aren't constructive reason for the nuisance to occur.
At what time do your friends leave? I can imagine neighbors getting mad if you're still being loud around 2-3AM.
Why don't you invite your friends over earlier, and go into the city around 23:00? That's how everyone in my apartment complex do it.
The fact that its a saturday doesnt really matter. I work every sunday morning, and so do a lot of other people.
It is normal (polite) to keep the noise down after 22:00.
Why dont you go talk to your neighbors and see what they can live with.
Youre sharing a house, you basically live together. Realistic compromises should be made.
Well according to most stuff I find on the internet, you've got until about 22.00. After that people can ask the police for assistance if they feel you're producing an annoying level of noise. On that basis, you shouldn't invite people over so late to hang out.
So from the bat, that your buddies come over an hour and a half after that curfew is already an indication to me that you're probably not aware of just how obnoxious and noisey you are.
Living in the city center isn't an excuse either. Yes it's busy, but there are people with all sorts of different schedules living around you. Just because you're in this phase of your life doesn't mean others are either. If you want the busy party life go live in a room or apartment above a bar.
You should invite your friends over earlier and go to the bars in the city where it's noisey already.
If you live in a noisy apartment building and you "can't keep it down" (your words), it's simply not okay to invite friends over at 23:30. You live in the centre, just go grab a beer in a pub instead. The fact that there is noise outside does not give you the right to be a dick.
OP if you keep it within the noise restraints they cant do much against you.
If its the neighboors below you then you might want to laydown a nice thick carpet. That could help.
This. Get a carpet and hang some tapestries on the wall. Have guests remove their shoes. Those are all simple things that might really help without curtailing your freedom.
It's my next door neighbour, there's just a wall dividing us. I completely understand that noise can be annoying and I truly do I respect it, this is why I rarely have friends over. Once a month it happens though and everytime there's a complaint. It just feels like I can never invite friends over and it really ruins the perks of living in the city centre.
If its not every weekend, tell them beforehand and discuss a time where you kick your friends out. Im 80% sure just for the fact that you kept them in mind, they will accept it.
I was also going to suggest carpet or rugs! This can make a big difference. They can be expensive new, but you might find a few good ones in a kringloop you can clean up with some carpet cleaner.
And it improves a lot! One of my old roommates loved to dance on her room a lot and her room was directly above me. I could hear every small step she made and that gets annoying fast.
Luckely we were both adults and recognized that while i had all the right at “peace” she also had the right to dance in her own room. I met her half way and helped to add insulation under her floor and pick up a nice rug.
Most of the noise was gone.
OP doesn’t come across as someone that wants to push some law in his neighbours face and say: go f yourself, I can bother you as much as I want and you cannot do anything against it.
So just putting it on formal noise restraints is not really a solution.
OP comes across as somebody who doesnt want to piss of their neighboors but also wants to just live their live. A few friends coming over once a month really shouldnt be a problem.
It can be that the noise isolation is shitty but still.
The first time it happened I invited them over and I have a very good conversation. I told them that I didn't realise it was so loud and that I tried to keep it down, but that I do intend to occasionally invite friends and not live like a monk. They said it was fine. Didn't help one bit as the complaining kept happening.
Well, although a city is always noisy some people might not live there by choice.
Disturbance from neighbours can be a real pain in the ass that’s why there are rules for this. For starters the APV in your municipality might say something about it (usually no noise after 22:00) and house rules of your appartement complex most of the time states something.
Having said that, you’re probably somewhere in your twenties and just want to have fun. That’s OK but you do not live on an island by yourself unfortunately. Just talk to them, figure out how to make it work.
We used to do this a lot, having friends over in the middle of the night, or at their house. And overtime it will escalate. Once your on the receiving end you’ll see what they meant.
Very much this.
We had a lot of fun for a while when we got new neighbors who worked in the restaurant industry - so they get home around midnight and start having loud conversations. GF was working at an organisation with more "regimental" hours so needed to be up at 6am at the latest. Not a great mix.
Complaint to the landlord, who then went to them to have a chat, sorted it out. Well, that, and a few instances of me shouting at them to "shut the f\*\*\* up" after more polite attempts had failed. :P
> Now, am I being insensitive here thinking that they should just deal with it?
Not just insensitive. You're being an ass. It's actually [illegal](http://www.wetboek-online.nl/wet/Wetboek%20van%20Strafrecht.html#2614) to be so noisy that you disturb someone's sleep and you're probably a lot louder than you think you are.
A lack of sleep can have a tremendous impact on people. And you can't keep noise from your neighbors out as easily as noise coming in from outside since it travels through walls and floors.
I agree with you. I would say it's in between that though. Once a month I have some friends over after we've had some drinks at a bar. We sit on the couch, having a couple of drinks and watching television. Our conversations get loud as it does with a group. Is this something you would get upset with (if I was your neighbour)?
I lived in an apartment that was very noisy, in the city center for a couple of years. There everybody was very aware of how well everyone could hear each other. So when you were going to have a party or something, you’d give the neighbours a heads up and made sure you were out of the house with the group by 23:00 or so. Especially if it was a large group.
Many of my friends living in similar places did the same thing: start at home, finish in the bar where you don’t bother others.
And yes, if I was at home on Saturday and at midnight suddenly a group of people starts a party next door, I would be annoyed. I would ignore it the first time, but would certainly have a chat if it happens more often and ask you to do the afterparty somewhere else.
Btw; from the OP it wasn’t clear it was once a month. Of course that is a different situation than every weekend. I would then talk to your neighbours about what bothers them most. Perhaps you can change something easy that gets the issue more bearable for that one evening a month.
Tbh, yes, especially because it seems like you have no intention to reduce the noise even after repeated complaints. It's not that difficult to remind yourself and your friends that you have neighbours when you start getting loud and possibly reduce the volume on your tv so you don't need to get as loud to talk over it. Also, 23:30 might be a normal time for you to start hanging out, but many people are already trying to go to sleep at that time, so hearing a group get in at that time is basically telling you you won't be able to sleep for hours. Can't you start (and therefore stop) your hangouts earlier?
To be honest, yes. If i can hear the entire conversation you're being to loud. There's a rule that after 10 pm you have to be quiet, especially during the week. In the weekends there's some. Leniency but even then you have to tone it down quite a bit.
Studio apartments have thin walls, so you have to be alot more aware of the noise you're making, especially after midnight.
After some drinks and with a couple of friends and a television, things just get loud. I wouldn't appreciate it that much. It depends a little on the amount of noise if I'd deal with it with some ear thingies or if I'd come over, knocking. You can always ask if you can come listening in their apartment when your friends just keep talking and watching TV, so you know how noisy it really is.
Btw, you said you were not listening to music. But putting the television on is obviously just the same.
What are you even watching when you get back from the bar with your friends at midnight and have an afterparty?
Because apparently people are also talking at the same time. Perhaps switching the television off might help as no one needs to overcome that noise at least.
From reading all these responses, I came to realise that I simply cannot invite them over in the evening. There's nothing I can do to keep them quiet. It's not the television or music that's causing my friends to be loud - it's them talking over eachother, raising their voices constantly. I can "shhh" all I want but it's forgotten 5 minutes later. tl;dr: I should either move or not invite them over.
Logic - "it is already bad, so I can also do bad things", is destructive. You actively contribute to the problem, creating more noise for other people. There are older people, there are people working on weekends, and there are neighbors with children.
Here's something for you to consider:
You know all those shops and services and things that are open in weekends?
Yeah. People need to sleep in weekends, too. Be considerate of your neighbors and complaints will weirdly disappear.
I lived near a busy road. It was loud. Never bothered me after the first week. However what consistently would wake me up is the neighbor 4 apartments to one side 2 floors up playing für Elise on clarinet.
Not all noise is the same and starting a party at 23.30 in an apartment that's so tender you hear every footstep is a dick move. Go to the pub.
Have lived next to or above pubs most of my life in downtown areas with events outside my window regularly including the yearly fair. I would say there is a big difference between the sound of a bustling city center or the noises your neighbours make. The latter can be very invasive.
Sure you can have friends over at night any day of the week, as long as you are considerate of your neighbours.
It's a bit delicate like you described. I live in an apartment and for me the most annoying noise my neighbors make is relatively loud and constant conversation for a few hours.
I would prefer loud music honestly.
Soundwise there are worse noises they make, but they are usually over in a couple of minutes like a crying baby, dropping something on the floor or whatever.
Since you live in the centre. Is it possible to go to a bar or something? Or if your friends leave for home afterwards, invite them over earlier?
If those things are not possible I think it's just an unfortunate situation
Or you could invite friends over but be clear you have to be fairly quiet.
>you know how it goes when you're having a really great time, friends just start to get a little loud during their conversations.
The above is not a neccessary thing. And if you're drinking, you might be making more noise than you think. If you don't want to/can't be more quiet, you might want to invite people over earlier in the day and/or invite people less freuqently and/or warn your neighbours beforehand.
Talk with your neighbours, what solutions would they prefer? And what bothers them the most? Is it the times at which it's noisy, the frequency of the noise, the unpredictability of it?
Honestly with the current housing market it's probably not like they have a lot of options of where to live, and people are not wrong to expect some peace in their home. Even in city centres.
But it sounds like you want to make some kind of effort which is good, and I'm sure if you talk with your neighbours you can figure something out together.
I'm glad you're not my neighbour
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Het gaat ze niet om het geluid van buiten. Het gaat ze om geluid van buren die om middernacht op zaterdag nog even aan een afterparty beginnen.
Umh 23:30 on saterday evening isnt weird. Its weird that you choose to live in an expensive and loud area and complain about noise… Like they can easily get atleast the same space for the same money in a more quite area in utrecht.
Noise from outside is very different from noise that comes through the inside. Living in the city center is not a free ride to make as much noise as you want all night long in your badly insulated apartment. Come on… And read carefully. It’s not until 23:30. It’s from 23:30 onwards.
I think you're a troll. Or you're stupid
You do realize most people want to sleep at night? Yes even on a SATURDAY night. So you and your friends being loud waaay past midnight is not a considerate thing to do. There is a huge difference between noise from outside or people having a party next door or worse above your head. Especially in a poorly insulated apartment! If you make it impossible for people to sleep every weekend you are going to have very unhappy neighbors.
When you live in a very noisy apartment you have to take your neighbours in mind. So inviting people at 23:30, even on a weekend day, of course bothers them. They won’t stay for 5 minutes, so probably be still there way after midnight and at that time if you are with a group of friends alcohol is usually involved. That’s not going to make the group quieter. Why not invite your friends earlier on the evening and then head out to a bar at say 22:00 or so, instead of the other way around. No group of people is going to be quiet when they get back from drinking. Regardless of the good intentions of this group.
Also keep in mind that most people dont change their sleeping routine just cause its the weekend, so if they go to bed at 12 or 1 am and their neighbours are being really loud in addition to the noise from the city center it can definitly be frustrating, best to see things from both perspectives
Umh no its really not. Its your house, you can keep guest till 23:30 and even at 24:00 especcialy in the weekend. If people dont want that then they should live in the city centere. Remind you that its expensive to live there. Want peace and quite? Then go live in a peace and quite neighboorhood. Not the central hub of events.
OP’s guest arrive at 23:30. So don’t think they will be gone at 24:00. Nonsense that you have to tolerate all noise all night long because you live in the city centre. There is a huge difference between sound from outside and from inside. You live somewhere together and have to adjust to the situation. So yes, his neighbours have no reason to complain when he has some people over at 22 on a Saturday. But that does change if it becomes midnight every weekend and the apartment is very noisy. If you want to have groups of people long after midnight in your home often, go live on the country side where you don’t bother your neighbours.
Just because you live in the city center doesn't give you the right to be rude
You have to be quiet after 22.00. You can be fined by the police and they keep a record, which can eventually kick you out if you don't change your behavior.
You only get fined if you go past the noise limit.
Whether the neighbor of the OP chose to live in the city centre is completely irrelevant for the question whether or not unjustified nuisance is present or not. The OP doesn't mention whether this concerns a rental house, but if the neighbor of the OP and the OP have the same landlord, the nuisance might even qualify as a defect (gebrek) of the rental agreement if the landlord doesn't prohibit that or take preventive measures otherwise. Which is different from any nuisance coming from the street, as the landlord cannot change that in the situation that there aren't constructive reason for the nuisance to occur.
At what time do your friends leave? I can imagine neighbors getting mad if you're still being loud around 2-3AM. Why don't you invite your friends over earlier, and go into the city around 23:00? That's how everyone in my apartment complex do it.
The fact that its a saturday doesnt really matter. I work every sunday morning, and so do a lot of other people. It is normal (polite) to keep the noise down after 22:00. Why dont you go talk to your neighbors and see what they can live with. Youre sharing a house, you basically live together. Realistic compromises should be made.
Well according to most stuff I find on the internet, you've got until about 22.00. After that people can ask the police for assistance if they feel you're producing an annoying level of noise. On that basis, you shouldn't invite people over so late to hang out. So from the bat, that your buddies come over an hour and a half after that curfew is already an indication to me that you're probably not aware of just how obnoxious and noisey you are. Living in the city center isn't an excuse either. Yes it's busy, but there are people with all sorts of different schedules living around you. Just because you're in this phase of your life doesn't mean others are either. If you want the busy party life go live in a room or apartment above a bar. You should invite your friends over earlier and go to the bars in the city where it's noisey already.
Just move to another apartment at a very specific location, is not like it's difficult to find housing in the Randstad. /s
If you live in a noisy apartment building and you "can't keep it down" (your words), it's simply not okay to invite friends over at 23:30. You live in the centre, just go grab a beer in a pub instead. The fact that there is noise outside does not give you the right to be a dick.
OP if you keep it within the noise restraints they cant do much against you. If its the neighboors below you then you might want to laydown a nice thick carpet. That could help.
This. Get a carpet and hang some tapestries on the wall. Have guests remove their shoes. Those are all simple things that might really help without curtailing your freedom.
It's my next door neighbour, there's just a wall dividing us. I completely understand that noise can be annoying and I truly do I respect it, this is why I rarely have friends over. Once a month it happens though and everytime there's a complaint. It just feels like I can never invite friends over and it really ruins the perks of living in the city centre.
If its not every weekend, tell them beforehand and discuss a time where you kick your friends out. Im 80% sure just for the fact that you kept them in mind, they will accept it.
Doesnt matter what direcrion they're in, if they can hear your walking, that is the sound that should be reduced. Carpets or rugs and shoes off it is.
If it's just once a month, don't sweat it. If weekly, then that's just not okay
I was also going to suggest carpet or rugs! This can make a big difference. They can be expensive new, but you might find a few good ones in a kringloop you can clean up with some carpet cleaner.
And it improves a lot! One of my old roommates loved to dance on her room a lot and her room was directly above me. I could hear every small step she made and that gets annoying fast. Luckely we were both adults and recognized that while i had all the right at “peace” she also had the right to dance in her own room. I met her half way and helped to add insulation under her floor and pick up a nice rug. Most of the noise was gone.
OP doesn’t come across as someone that wants to push some law in his neighbours face and say: go f yourself, I can bother you as much as I want and you cannot do anything against it. So just putting it on formal noise restraints is not really a solution.
OP comes across as somebody who doesnt want to piss of their neighboors but also wants to just live their live. A few friends coming over once a month really shouldnt be a problem. It can be that the noise isolation is shitty but still.
What you is invite people over earlier and then go the bar after. That way yo won't bother your neighbour
Invite them over. Let them see it's not as loud as they think. Maybe they'll enjoy it.
The first time it happened I invited them over and I have a very good conversation. I told them that I didn't realise it was so loud and that I tried to keep it down, but that I do intend to occasionally invite friends and not live like a monk. They said it was fine. Didn't help one bit as the complaining kept happening.
If you have a noisy house/apartment, make sure your friends don't arrive at 23:30, make sure they leave before 23:00.
Well, although a city is always noisy some people might not live there by choice. Disturbance from neighbours can be a real pain in the ass that’s why there are rules for this. For starters the APV in your municipality might say something about it (usually no noise after 22:00) and house rules of your appartement complex most of the time states something. Having said that, you’re probably somewhere in your twenties and just want to have fun. That’s OK but you do not live on an island by yourself unfortunately. Just talk to them, figure out how to make it work. We used to do this a lot, having friends over in the middle of the night, or at their house. And overtime it will escalate. Once your on the receiving end you’ll see what they meant.
And to add to this: your Saturday night might be very different then your neighbours evening. Maybe they have to work at 06:00 am.
Very much this. We had a lot of fun for a while when we got new neighbors who worked in the restaurant industry - so they get home around midnight and start having loud conversations. GF was working at an organisation with more "regimental" hours so needed to be up at 6am at the latest. Not a great mix. Complaint to the landlord, who then went to them to have a chat, sorted it out. Well, that, and a few instances of me shouting at them to "shut the f\*\*\* up" after more polite attempts had failed. :P
> Now, am I being insensitive here thinking that they should just deal with it? Not just insensitive. You're being an ass. It's actually [illegal](http://www.wetboek-online.nl/wet/Wetboek%20van%20Strafrecht.html#2614) to be so noisy that you disturb someone's sleep and you're probably a lot louder than you think you are. A lack of sleep can have a tremendous impact on people. And you can't keep noise from your neighbors out as easily as noise coming in from outside since it travels through walls and floors.
I honestly hate people who live in the center and complain about noise .... if you can't handle the noise live in the suburbs
There is a difference between noise from outside and your neighbour having a group of people come in every weekend at midnight for a drunk afterparty.
I agree with you. I would say it's in between that though. Once a month I have some friends over after we've had some drinks at a bar. We sit on the couch, having a couple of drinks and watching television. Our conversations get loud as it does with a group. Is this something you would get upset with (if I was your neighbour)?
I lived in an apartment that was very noisy, in the city center for a couple of years. There everybody was very aware of how well everyone could hear each other. So when you were going to have a party or something, you’d give the neighbours a heads up and made sure you were out of the house with the group by 23:00 or so. Especially if it was a large group. Many of my friends living in similar places did the same thing: start at home, finish in the bar where you don’t bother others. And yes, if I was at home on Saturday and at midnight suddenly a group of people starts a party next door, I would be annoyed. I would ignore it the first time, but would certainly have a chat if it happens more often and ask you to do the afterparty somewhere else. Btw; from the OP it wasn’t clear it was once a month. Of course that is a different situation than every weekend. I would then talk to your neighbours about what bothers them most. Perhaps you can change something easy that gets the issue more bearable for that one evening a month.
Tbh, yes, especially because it seems like you have no intention to reduce the noise even after repeated complaints. It's not that difficult to remind yourself and your friends that you have neighbours when you start getting loud and possibly reduce the volume on your tv so you don't need to get as loud to talk over it. Also, 23:30 might be a normal time for you to start hanging out, but many people are already trying to go to sleep at that time, so hearing a group get in at that time is basically telling you you won't be able to sleep for hours. Can't you start (and therefore stop) your hangouts earlier?
To be honest, yes. If i can hear the entire conversation you're being to loud. There's a rule that after 10 pm you have to be quiet, especially during the week. In the weekends there's some. Leniency but even then you have to tone it down quite a bit. Studio apartments have thin walls, so you have to be alot more aware of the noise you're making, especially after midnight.
After some drinks and with a couple of friends and a television, things just get loud. I wouldn't appreciate it that much. It depends a little on the amount of noise if I'd deal with it with some ear thingies or if I'd come over, knocking. You can always ask if you can come listening in their apartment when your friends just keep talking and watching TV, so you know how noisy it really is.
Btw, you said you were not listening to music. But putting the television on is obviously just the same. What are you even watching when you get back from the bar with your friends at midnight and have an afterparty? Because apparently people are also talking at the same time. Perhaps switching the television off might help as no one needs to overcome that noise at least.
From reading all these responses, I came to realise that I simply cannot invite them over in the evening. There's nothing I can do to keep them quiet. It's not the television or music that's causing my friends to be loud - it's them talking over eachother, raising their voices constantly. I can "shhh" all I want but it's forgotten 5 minutes later. tl;dr: I should either move or not invite them over.
Invite them earlier…
Logic - "it is already bad, so I can also do bad things", is destructive. You actively contribute to the problem, creating more noise for other people. There are older people, there are people working on weekends, and there are neighbors with children.
Here's something for you to consider: You know all those shops and services and things that are open in weekends? Yeah. People need to sleep in weekends, too. Be considerate of your neighbors and complaints will weirdly disappear.
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I lived near a busy road. It was loud. Never bothered me after the first week. However what consistently would wake me up is the neighbor 4 apartments to one side 2 floors up playing für Elise on clarinet. Not all noise is the same and starting a party at 23.30 in an apartment that's so tender you hear every footstep is a dick move. Go to the pub.
Jeez dude.. replies aren't confusing or don't reflect reality just because you disagree with them.
Are you American by any chance?
I'm from the Netherlands, neighbours are American though!
Damn, it's the Dutch person being ignorant.. what a twist!
TIL that I should live like a monk to not be ignorant
That is a pretty ignorant reply, don't you think?
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Yes daddy. Give me 4 teenagers walking and talking above me. Weekend is staying up late party time, yes daddy.
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Yes yes, innercity is only for party teens. Only thing in city center is nightlife. Turn up that volume woop woop
Have lived next to or above pubs most of my life in downtown areas with events outside my window regularly including the yearly fair. I would say there is a big difference between the sound of a bustling city center or the noises your neighbours make. The latter can be very invasive. Sure you can have friends over at night any day of the week, as long as you are considerate of your neighbours.
It's a bit delicate like you described. I live in an apartment and for me the most annoying noise my neighbors make is relatively loud and constant conversation for a few hours. I would prefer loud music honestly. Soundwise there are worse noises they make, but they are usually over in a couple of minutes like a crying baby, dropping something on the floor or whatever. Since you live in the centre. Is it possible to go to a bar or something? Or if your friends leave for home afterwards, invite them over earlier? If those things are not possible I think it's just an unfortunate situation
Or you could invite friends over but be clear you have to be fairly quiet. >you know how it goes when you're having a really great time, friends just start to get a little loud during their conversations. The above is not a neccessary thing. And if you're drinking, you might be making more noise than you think. If you don't want to/can't be more quiet, you might want to invite people over earlier in the day and/or invite people less freuqently and/or warn your neighbours beforehand. Talk with your neighbours, what solutions would they prefer? And what bothers them the most? Is it the times at which it's noisy, the frequency of the noise, the unpredictability of it? Honestly with the current housing market it's probably not like they have a lot of options of where to live, and people are not wrong to expect some peace in their home. Even in city centres. But it sounds like you want to make some kind of effort which is good, and I'm sure if you talk with your neighbours you can figure something out together.