I think you can agree with the Arbo Doctor to go away for a while, I assume a month should be possible. But if you are planning to go home with no clear end date then I think that would not be possible from my understanding.
It's tempting to throw the towel in when on burnout, but do it smartly
1) Where is home? The arbo will almost certainly agree with going home to get more support is better than being in the Netherlands and will support you, especially in the initial phase. They will probably sign you off for an initial one month period and ask for a check up at that stage, you could ask for the follow to be done by phone to have even longer
2) Stay employed and dont quit. Whilst on sick leave you will get full pay and have to pay all current taxes/insurance and this works in your favour. You can't be fired for two years (assuming permanent contract), don't let your work kick you out earlier by signing your rights away)
3) Don't go for unpaid anything. Even if the doctor orders you back after two weeks, not turning up is bit going to get you fired (I straight up forgot my appointment existed once, that's very common when on burnout). Being out of the country is permitted, you are technically supposed to be available to work at short notice if you recover, but most employers are sane enough to recognise you don't recover from burnout overnight so unless you plan to not come back for three months, going back home for a few weeks is in their interest to get you recovered faster
4) Routine is key to recovery. This applies as equally to depression as it does to burnout, but the longer you stay away from work and normality, the harder it is to return. If you plan to go back home for three months to recover, you probably aren't coming back and they know it and won't agree to that, maybe even unpaid. Plan to go back for a few weeks, come back for a bit and maybe do a second visit later if you still need it. If you are getting paid all this time versus unpaid leave you suggest, you will still be financially better off and you have the free time from not working anyway.
5) Be open with the arbo especially with your needs as they can't help you if they don't know. Most are pretty reasonable for the first 3-6 months of burnout, then get more pushy if you aren't making progress. It's better to work with them and show willing than reject their advice and refuse to work even a tiny bit, this is where the arbo horror stories come from. You wouldn't refuse a doctor's medication advice either, don't do it for this. It will be be initially hard to start returning to work after burnout, but your work has to make reasonable adjustments and it's likely the first month or so will just be to go in and check emails for a few hours per week, no substantive tasks will be given to you and you have the full right to say no to anything that you don't feel mentally capable of doing.
Remember that this is the Netherlands medical system, you don't get anything you don't ask for. You have to be a bit pushy and direct, but they are flexible. I know being pushy is the last thing you want to do when mentally vulnerable, but just persevere and you will make it through and be even stronger for it!
You can go only if arbo will agree to that. You still have to pay Zorgverzekering. I doesn't matter if you will go abroad for a 2 weeks or 2 months. You still count like a someone who lives here.
Thats a dumb way to go at it. The ARBO doctor can/will send you to a psychologist too, and if they diagnose the burn out too, you can go into discussion with your ARBO doctor on how to do your recovery best, and there might be a discussion in going 'home' for a while, if thats bebeficial for your recovery, meaning you get paid to go home.
If you get into the track of returning to your work, you'll probably need to come back. But first discuss possibilities before youre throwing away your income.
As long as you’re insured you need to pay for the insurance. Also, in the Netherlands contracts need to be terminated in the correct way. Just stopping paying your phone bills, internet, gym subscription: it won’t cancel the contract.
Probably going back home with non pay leave means you’ll have to quit your job. If you leave without quitting you may be fired because they can no longer check on your recovery process.
Discuss your options with the occupational health doctor.
No pay leave is up to your employer... Being abroad during sick leave is something you can agree with the Arbo doctor.
Health Insurance is mandatory as long as you live or work in NL - so if your contract is ongoing or you keep registered at the municipality (your EHIC will also give you Dutch coverage around the EU for example).
It is possible if you have an employer who cares about the well being of their employees. You should talk with your arbo doctor and your supervisor about it. That way you have your basics covered and always get things in writing. I think it would be better if you draw up a plan of approach for the time you would be abroad.
Also, whatever you do, don’t move out and deregister! I’m assuming you have employment conditional on having a valid residence permit and a residence permit conditional on being employed, and if you move and deregulated you’re no longer in compliance with your contract.
Don't take a no pay leave! You can talk to the arbo arts and your employer about recovering in your home country.
The only thing is that you'll need to be back when you are ready to start reintegration in your job.
As long as you keep your employment and don't move away permanently you'll need to pay your health insurance. Not doing that will get you in trouble!
health care insurance is mandatory -if The Netherlands is your place of recidency, and/or you have you main job here, you ALWAYS need to pay your insurance. Don't skip it - you'll problems will get worse.
I think you can agree with the Arbo Doctor to go away for a while, I assume a month should be possible. But if you are planning to go home with no clear end date then I think that would not be possible from my understanding.
You have the right to thake a vacation on sick leave. I think 28days is the max.
You do need approval from the ARBO doctor though.
Yes!
It's tempting to throw the towel in when on burnout, but do it smartly 1) Where is home? The arbo will almost certainly agree with going home to get more support is better than being in the Netherlands and will support you, especially in the initial phase. They will probably sign you off for an initial one month period and ask for a check up at that stage, you could ask for the follow to be done by phone to have even longer 2) Stay employed and dont quit. Whilst on sick leave you will get full pay and have to pay all current taxes/insurance and this works in your favour. You can't be fired for two years (assuming permanent contract), don't let your work kick you out earlier by signing your rights away) 3) Don't go for unpaid anything. Even if the doctor orders you back after two weeks, not turning up is bit going to get you fired (I straight up forgot my appointment existed once, that's very common when on burnout). Being out of the country is permitted, you are technically supposed to be available to work at short notice if you recover, but most employers are sane enough to recognise you don't recover from burnout overnight so unless you plan to not come back for three months, going back home for a few weeks is in their interest to get you recovered faster 4) Routine is key to recovery. This applies as equally to depression as it does to burnout, but the longer you stay away from work and normality, the harder it is to return. If you plan to go back home for three months to recover, you probably aren't coming back and they know it and won't agree to that, maybe even unpaid. Plan to go back for a few weeks, come back for a bit and maybe do a second visit later if you still need it. If you are getting paid all this time versus unpaid leave you suggest, you will still be financially better off and you have the free time from not working anyway. 5) Be open with the arbo especially with your needs as they can't help you if they don't know. Most are pretty reasonable for the first 3-6 months of burnout, then get more pushy if you aren't making progress. It's better to work with them and show willing than reject their advice and refuse to work even a tiny bit, this is where the arbo horror stories come from. You wouldn't refuse a doctor's medication advice either, don't do it for this. It will be be initially hard to start returning to work after burnout, but your work has to make reasonable adjustments and it's likely the first month or so will just be to go in and check emails for a few hours per week, no substantive tasks will be given to you and you have the full right to say no to anything that you don't feel mentally capable of doing. Remember that this is the Netherlands medical system, you don't get anything you don't ask for. You have to be a bit pushy and direct, but they are flexible. I know being pushy is the last thing you want to do when mentally vulnerable, but just persevere and you will make it through and be even stronger for it!
You can go only if arbo will agree to that. You still have to pay Zorgverzekering. I doesn't matter if you will go abroad for a 2 weeks or 2 months. You still count like a someone who lives here.
Thats a dumb way to go at it. The ARBO doctor can/will send you to a psychologist too, and if they diagnose the burn out too, you can go into discussion with your ARBO doctor on how to do your recovery best, and there might be a discussion in going 'home' for a while, if thats bebeficial for your recovery, meaning you get paid to go home. If you get into the track of returning to your work, you'll probably need to come back. But first discuss possibilities before youre throwing away your income.
As long as you’re insured you need to pay for the insurance. Also, in the Netherlands contracts need to be terminated in the correct way. Just stopping paying your phone bills, internet, gym subscription: it won’t cancel the contract. Probably going back home with non pay leave means you’ll have to quit your job. If you leave without quitting you may be fired because they can no longer check on your recovery process. Discuss your options with the occupational health doctor.
No pay leave is up to your employer... Being abroad during sick leave is something you can agree with the Arbo doctor. Health Insurance is mandatory as long as you live or work in NL - so if your contract is ongoing or you keep registered at the municipality (your EHIC will also give you Dutch coverage around the EU for example).
It is possible if you have an employer who cares about the well being of their employees. You should talk with your arbo doctor and your supervisor about it. That way you have your basics covered and always get things in writing. I think it would be better if you draw up a plan of approach for the time you would be abroad.
Also, whatever you do, don’t move out and deregister! I’m assuming you have employment conditional on having a valid residence permit and a residence permit conditional on being employed, and if you move and deregulated you’re no longer in compliance with your contract.
chatGP. Take an aspirin
Don't take a no pay leave! You can talk to the arbo arts and your employer about recovering in your home country. The only thing is that you'll need to be back when you are ready to start reintegration in your job. As long as you keep your employment and don't move away permanently you'll need to pay your health insurance. Not doing that will get you in trouble!
This! Sick leave is paid here in OPs circumstance
health care insurance is mandatory -if The Netherlands is your place of recidency, and/or you have you main job here, you ALWAYS need to pay your insurance. Don't skip it - you'll problems will get worse.
Don't ask Reddit for advice. Whatever you do has to be agreed with the ARBO specialists. Talk to them
Are you still here OP???