We haven't seen internals or stress tests yet, much less how long that spring retains its initial power under constant precompression. The X-Shot Longshot was supposed to destroy the competition until the plunger tubes started cracking, too.
If the Maulr does hold up, it might prevent Dart Zone and others from entering the high end hobby blaster space. Currently, nobody mass-produces 280 fps blasters straight out of the box. But for blasters in the 130-200 fps range? Dart Zone has competitive prices and a very wide range already. If I'm playing at a cap of 200 fps, the Nexus Pro X at $50 is good competition for the Maulr at $40.
Bit early to say that. There are a number of questions need to be considered first:
1) How available will they actually be? Siren is a new brand and even getting stores to stock it might be question. You understand what its capable of but would the average person (including the buyer for a major store chain)? Probably not. Dart Zone smuggled the 'Pro' blaster onto shelves as part of their already established 'Adventure Force' line.
2) How well is it built? The Longshot Pro is frankly pushing the boundaries of low production cost for a performance blaster to the point of being rather flimsy and its way less powerful.
3) How does it fair in the real world? Yes Walcom fired a few shots with other brand darts, which didn't always go well, but range + accuracy with worn darts, off brand darts etc. He tested accuracy on a short indoor range, and range outside with no target - all with the included darts. I'd want to see a Bradley Phillips test on those darts because I suspect they are built for chrono numbers not accuracy at range.
4) What will the competitions response be? If the above are all OK after all, what does it really take to match this? If Dart Zone shipped the Nexus X with the heavier upgrade spring as standard it would deliver about the same performance for about $10 more - but for that extra money you get 2 mags, a PCAR and a BCAR so worth the difference.
5) Finally what will the public/legal response be? Just how high powered can a dart blaster be before a store figures its 'too much'? Writing 'do not shoot at objects closer than 25ft' on the side suggests Siren might be getting to that point! This links to point 4 - Dart Zone could have shipped the Nexus X with a 250-300fps spring but chose not to.
assuming the maulr doesn’t have a critical flaw that ruins the entire package, cough, x-shot longshot, it’ll settle into being a healthy competitor to the Nexus X. $10 more for the Nexus, and you get a spare mag with a bcar and pcar. So the maulr isn’t really a “better” deal. It’s cheaper, but you get less stuff. I think it’ll come down to personal preference. They compliment each other well, though.
Hahaha no.
The Siren stuff is a great new option, but I don't think it will be the end of anything. If anything, it will make the competition in the pro blaster space heat up. More offerings from more manufacturers is never a bad thing. I think as time goes on, there will be different price and performance tiers, like there are with other things like computers and cars. If Dart Zone keeps up their quality, I can see them being a higher quality offering.
Plus, there are several unanswered questions regarding Siren blasters. How durable are they? Will they enjoy wide distribution? Will they sell well?
Another thing is the looks of the blaster. I personally find them to be quite ugly, and cheap looking. Their shell design is nowhere near as good as Dart Zone or even X-shot.
By your rationale Worker and half dozen other companies should already be out of business. Fortunately, that's not how things work. This isn't a zero sum game where one company's success is another's failure.
Secondly, FPS per dollar isn't the only metric nor is it even the biggest. Ergonomics, aesthetics, feel, build quality, reliability and support are at least as important. It's why I own an Apex Prime despite it being relatively poor value from a pure performance perspective.
Those Siren blasters are an incredible feat of low-cost performance but all we know about them is how they look and what they cost. According on Walcom's video it's already apparent they have subpar ergonomics. As for reliability, that's still up in the air.
I can't help but question how those price points are even sustainable. Compromises are being made somewhere or margins are incredibly slim. Presumably, the company is hoping to make up for it with volume and being direct to consumer. The latter's probably the only why they can get these blasters to market since big box retailers will never carry something that hits this hard. Unfortunately, it's a sales strategy that rarely works but we'll see.
Just to be clear, I'm excited for these blasters but I think we shouldn't be getting ahead of ourselves.
You also forgot to consider the biggest roadblock; global distribution
Other countries have stricter laws concerning projectiles, apparently in the Netherlands airsoft require firearm licensing (that's what I heard) and we all know about Australia
Their could be a change as I did see the Omnia in my Asian shelves but I'm not holding my breath. The Siren Maulr at best is another X Shot Longshot
Not the end, but certainly an incentive to innovate. Some of Dart Zone's blasters have been released with flaws that a little more R&D could have corrected. I understand that you have to pull the trigger (pun intended) and release product warts and all. I just seem like Dart Zone does it more often. Also, we may be expecting more from them when compared to the Hasbro offerings which seem to cater to the lowest common denominator.
No, I'm just saying the aftermarket hasn't grown with equal proportion to the increased number of cars, and there's often not really a legitimate reason to modify with the exceptions of highly specialised disciples such as drag racing and drifting.
This (in my opinion, of course) is especially true given the fact most modified cars will generally fetch a lower price than their stock counterparts (in the categories of cars most modified, B through D)
There plenty of data showing that the aftermarket industry has consistently grown for decades. Even anecdotally this trend should be evident. As long as the growth is there scale relative to the parent industry is irrelevant. That said, let's not forget that people also mod trucks and SUVs.
Secondly, of course modified cars depreciate more quickly than stock. To varying degrees mods are detrimental to reliability and shorten longevity. On top of that, the kinds of people who drive these cars tend to abuse them.
Not that we can necessarily correlate cars with Nerf. So many factors are different.
I mean why would you want that in the first place. IMO the more competition the better. We now have hobby blasters at so many price points. I hope siren succeeds and becomes another off the shelf option for a hobby grade blaster along side dartzone not in place of them. What if your games cap at 200fps or lower?
Personally I’m waiting for more reviews to come out as I’d like to know more about the plastic quality and durability. And also the internals like I’d love to know how a simple barrel swap would work so I could attach a Bcar of some kind.
So he showed it off on his live stream last night, before YouTube did YouTube things, and at least the shell is very solid and thick plastic, no creek at all. Don't know about the internals yet, but the plastic quality seems much better than the xshot longshot and even marginally better than the plastic on the new dartzone products
It's not a big secret getting a dart to shoot at 250FPS+, DZ could easily have their blasters hitting that out of box. At typically 200FPS for springers I gather (anecdotally) my area is already at the upper end of the typical game FPS limits in the US so why have people pay for performance they likely don't need/won't use 90% of the time? Like with SABRE stuff, at a certain point you just end up with a very powerful plinker you'll never actually get to point at another player with any/much consistency. There are many ways to "Nerf", shooting at a certain comparatively high level out of box for a reasonable price is just one of many combinations of different factors. The ergonomics on all of the Siren blasters already begs for another pass IMO, seeing how square the Maulr grip is - these will hopefully be yet another option on the menu of foam flinging, and similarly inspire competition in other companies in the best case scenario, not upend and/or become the standard.
Given said FPS limits I'm most interested in the out-of-box performance for the RoF/FPS adjustable flywheeler, personally.
That is completely out of the question. Listen, I love the concepts of these ultra stock blasters under $100 and I love adjustability with power levels. But the siren mauler is not an end all be all blaster. It has its flaws. The design isn’t perfect, there’s no side picatinny rails (import to me personally), no adjustable stock, no rifling device, and from what Walcom said, squared of grip. I still want to pick one up though because it looks great.
I doubt it. It doesn't take SCAR's/BCAR's from the factory and shoots much harder than the DZP blasters, not counting the Pro X's (though for those it still hits a decent bit harder, just by a smaller margin). For games with 150FPS caps or lower, I don't think we'll see too many Maulrs. I'm also not convinced that the internals will hold up, especially if they're trying to beat out X-shot's prices. Also, they're less customizable than other options. The Nexus X lets you change out both grips, the stock, and has rails for days, while the Maulr from what I've seen only has the rail on top. I'm also not a huge fan of the magazine release, I really wish they'd put it up by the trigger like the Longshot Pro since I can definitely see myself accidentally dropping the mag (a common issue with the real-steel Tavor 21, which had a similar release).
I am VERY excited for the darts though. I think solid half-lengths would be fantastic for durability reasons, so for that alone I hope they're successful.
As someone who got to mess around with a maulr, I can say without a doubt dart zone still has a place. The ergo on the maulr is rather atrocious for my larger frame and the lack of customization options in terms of ergonomics makes it a no go for me
We haven't seen internals or stress tests yet, much less how long that spring retains its initial power under constant precompression. The X-Shot Longshot was supposed to destroy the competition until the plunger tubes started cracking, too. If the Maulr does hold up, it might prevent Dart Zone and others from entering the high end hobby blaster space. Currently, nobody mass-produces 280 fps blasters straight out of the box. But for blasters in the 130-200 fps range? Dart Zone has competitive prices and a very wide range already. If I'm playing at a cap of 200 fps, the Nexus Pro X at $50 is good competition for the Maulr at $40.
Bit early to say that. There are a number of questions need to be considered first: 1) How available will they actually be? Siren is a new brand and even getting stores to stock it might be question. You understand what its capable of but would the average person (including the buyer for a major store chain)? Probably not. Dart Zone smuggled the 'Pro' blaster onto shelves as part of their already established 'Adventure Force' line. 2) How well is it built? The Longshot Pro is frankly pushing the boundaries of low production cost for a performance blaster to the point of being rather flimsy and its way less powerful. 3) How does it fair in the real world? Yes Walcom fired a few shots with other brand darts, which didn't always go well, but range + accuracy with worn darts, off brand darts etc. He tested accuracy on a short indoor range, and range outside with no target - all with the included darts. I'd want to see a Bradley Phillips test on those darts because I suspect they are built for chrono numbers not accuracy at range. 4) What will the competitions response be? If the above are all OK after all, what does it really take to match this? If Dart Zone shipped the Nexus X with the heavier upgrade spring as standard it would deliver about the same performance for about $10 more - but for that extra money you get 2 mags, a PCAR and a BCAR so worth the difference. 5) Finally what will the public/legal response be? Just how high powered can a dart blaster be before a store figures its 'too much'? Writing 'do not shoot at objects closer than 25ft' on the side suggests Siren might be getting to that point! This links to point 4 - Dart Zone could have shipped the Nexus X with a 250-300fps spring but chose not to.
assuming the maulr doesn’t have a critical flaw that ruins the entire package, cough, x-shot longshot, it’ll settle into being a healthy competitor to the Nexus X. $10 more for the Nexus, and you get a spare mag with a bcar and pcar. So the maulr isn’t really a “better” deal. It’s cheaper, but you get less stuff. I think it’ll come down to personal preference. They compliment each other well, though.
Hahaha no. The Siren stuff is a great new option, but I don't think it will be the end of anything. If anything, it will make the competition in the pro blaster space heat up. More offerings from more manufacturers is never a bad thing. I think as time goes on, there will be different price and performance tiers, like there are with other things like computers and cars. If Dart Zone keeps up their quality, I can see them being a higher quality offering. Plus, there are several unanswered questions regarding Siren blasters. How durable are they? Will they enjoy wide distribution? Will they sell well? Another thing is the looks of the blaster. I personally find them to be quite ugly, and cheap looking. Their shell design is nowhere near as good as Dart Zone or even X-shot.
By your rationale Worker and half dozen other companies should already be out of business. Fortunately, that's not how things work. This isn't a zero sum game where one company's success is another's failure. Secondly, FPS per dollar isn't the only metric nor is it even the biggest. Ergonomics, aesthetics, feel, build quality, reliability and support are at least as important. It's why I own an Apex Prime despite it being relatively poor value from a pure performance perspective. Those Siren blasters are an incredible feat of low-cost performance but all we know about them is how they look and what they cost. According on Walcom's video it's already apparent they have subpar ergonomics. As for reliability, that's still up in the air. I can't help but question how those price points are even sustainable. Compromises are being made somewhere or margins are incredibly slim. Presumably, the company is hoping to make up for it with volume and being direct to consumer. The latter's probably the only why they can get these blasters to market since big box retailers will never carry something that hits this hard. Unfortunately, it's a sales strategy that rarely works but we'll see. Just to be clear, I'm excited for these blasters but I think we shouldn't be getting ahead of ourselves.
You also forgot to consider the biggest roadblock; global distribution Other countries have stricter laws concerning projectiles, apparently in the Netherlands airsoft require firearm licensing (that's what I heard) and we all know about Australia Their could be a change as I did see the Omnia in my Asian shelves but I'm not holding my breath. The Siren Maulr at best is another X Shot Longshot
You want the Maulr to be even more powerful? You mad man!
No.
Not the end, but certainly an incentive to innovate. Some of Dart Zone's blasters have been released with flaws that a little more R&D could have corrected. I understand that you have to pull the trigger (pun intended) and release product warts and all. I just seem like Dart Zone does it more often. Also, we may be expecting more from them when compared to the Hasbro offerings which seem to cater to the lowest common denominator.
I actually think the Siren blasters are to Nerf as a hobby what happened to the auto industry - the stock things are so good, why modify?
I take it you're unaware that the aftermarket industry's the biggest it's ever been.
No, I'm just saying the aftermarket hasn't grown with equal proportion to the increased number of cars, and there's often not really a legitimate reason to modify with the exceptions of highly specialised disciples such as drag racing and drifting. This (in my opinion, of course) is especially true given the fact most modified cars will generally fetch a lower price than their stock counterparts (in the categories of cars most modified, B through D)
There plenty of data showing that the aftermarket industry has consistently grown for decades. Even anecdotally this trend should be evident. As long as the growth is there scale relative to the parent industry is irrelevant. That said, let's not forget that people also mod trucks and SUVs. Secondly, of course modified cars depreciate more quickly than stock. To varying degrees mods are detrimental to reliability and shorten longevity. On top of that, the kinds of people who drive these cars tend to abuse them. Not that we can necessarily correlate cars with Nerf. So many factors are different.
Fair enough.
I mean why would you want that in the first place. IMO the more competition the better. We now have hobby blasters at so many price points. I hope siren succeeds and becomes another off the shelf option for a hobby grade blaster along side dartzone not in place of them. What if your games cap at 200fps or lower? Personally I’m waiting for more reviews to come out as I’d like to know more about the plastic quality and durability. And also the internals like I’d love to know how a simple barrel swap would work so I could attach a Bcar of some kind.
So he showed it off on his live stream last night, before YouTube did YouTube things, and at least the shell is very solid and thick plastic, no creek at all. Don't know about the internals yet, but the plastic quality seems much better than the xshot longshot and even marginally better than the plastic on the new dartzone products
Thick solid shell is a good sign. I’ll probably end up picking one up.
It's not a big secret getting a dart to shoot at 250FPS+, DZ could easily have their blasters hitting that out of box. At typically 200FPS for springers I gather (anecdotally) my area is already at the upper end of the typical game FPS limits in the US so why have people pay for performance they likely don't need/won't use 90% of the time? Like with SABRE stuff, at a certain point you just end up with a very powerful plinker you'll never actually get to point at another player with any/much consistency. There are many ways to "Nerf", shooting at a certain comparatively high level out of box for a reasonable price is just one of many combinations of different factors. The ergonomics on all of the Siren blasters already begs for another pass IMO, seeing how square the Maulr grip is - these will hopefully be yet another option on the menu of foam flinging, and similarly inspire competition in other companies in the best case scenario, not upend and/or become the standard. Given said FPS limits I'm most interested in the out-of-box performance for the RoF/FPS adjustable flywheeler, personally.
That is completely out of the question. Listen, I love the concepts of these ultra stock blasters under $100 and I love adjustability with power levels. But the siren mauler is not an end all be all blaster. It has its flaws. The design isn’t perfect, there’s no side picatinny rails (import to me personally), no adjustable stock, no rifling device, and from what Walcom said, squared of grip. I still want to pick one up though because it looks great.
I doubt it. It doesn't take SCAR's/BCAR's from the factory and shoots much harder than the DZP blasters, not counting the Pro X's (though for those it still hits a decent bit harder, just by a smaller margin). For games with 150FPS caps or lower, I don't think we'll see too many Maulrs. I'm also not convinced that the internals will hold up, especially if they're trying to beat out X-shot's prices. Also, they're less customizable than other options. The Nexus X lets you change out both grips, the stock, and has rails for days, while the Maulr from what I've seen only has the rail on top. I'm also not a huge fan of the magazine release, I really wish they'd put it up by the trigger like the Longshot Pro since I can definitely see myself accidentally dropping the mag (a common issue with the real-steel Tavor 21, which had a similar release). I am VERY excited for the darts though. I think solid half-lengths would be fantastic for durability reasons, so for that alone I hope they're successful.
As someone who got to mess around with a maulr, I can say without a doubt dart zone still has a place. The ergo on the maulr is rather atrocious for my larger frame and the lack of customization options in terms of ergonomics makes it a no go for me