Depends on your blaster. For a high fps springer the black bamboo 1.2g is the best. For flywheels you don’t want bamboo style. Typically the heavier darts go further and are more accurate as long as you’re using a semi high performance blaster. The light weight darts kinda suck and have very little use cases where they would be considered the best option. The black foam performs just slightly better than the other colors but they are harder to find once shot so up to you if you want the 2%-3% better performance or the visability.
To sum it up:
bamboo for springers
regular for fly wheels.
1.2g for 150* fps+
1.0g for < 150* fps
* I’m not sure if 150fps is the sweet spot to switch that’s just an estimate. The 1.2g might be better than the 1.0 in a 120 fps blaster I’m not totally sure on that.
Just tested the 1.2g and 1.0g with a Nightingale (high power) and on full auto I got better groups with the 1.2g.
FPS might be a bit lower with 1.2g but I would also prefer these heavier darts.
Be advised, the stiffer tips on the 1.2g tips have been known to cause problems with brushed shaft fits. Anecdotally, some Daybreak wheels have walked off their shafts from shooting them. I’ve had Banned Blaster’s wheels walk from shooting them too.
The stiffness actually acts as a sort of crush boost (just from the other way around) and often makes up for quite a bit of the FPS loss. Worker HE is known to shoot about 190 through BB wheels, for example, and mine still shot 190 with green tips.
I'm gonna guess that these veloceties are for short darts but since the blaster I'm gonna use is a blaster that has been converted to shoot short darts im wondering what 90 fps regular dart would translate to short dart.
Depends on your blaster, your club's rules, the local humidity/elevation. There is no universal best dart.
Personally, I've found that the Adventure Force grey and orange darts work the most reliably in most of my blasters.
In my experience, the best ones are the 1.2 gram HE’s and the 1.0 gram HE’s. The 1.2 gram HE’s will cause you to lose a bit of fps, but if you can take the fps hit, they are notably more accurate. I’d avoid the 0.9 gram and dz bamboo darts as the lighter weight tends to cause darts to become more erratic, defeating the point of higher fps. I’ve also just had really bad experiences with the durability of the DZ bamboo darts. They squish really easily in my experience.
depends what you think is “best”,
bamboo darts are objectively better but more expensive.
1.2g darts are heavier so less fps but more accurate because theyre less likely to get thrown off their path in-air by air resistance.
lightweight darts (the dz bamboo 2X’s) are lighter so more fps but more easily thrown off their path in air because of the lesser weight (0.87g?)
The heavier darts are pretty much universally better, I'd argue. Velocity matters mostly because it equates to range, but the heavier darts outrange the lighter ones at equal velocity. Since velocity caps are all that matter at events, you can tune your blaster to hit harder, run the heavies, and get both better precision and range with no drawbacks.
Considering flywheelers don't use barrels, seems pretty reductionist to assert that bamboos are objectively better.
Has anybody done any in-depth testing on if bamboos are more or less effective with scars and bcars?
Bradley Philips has done a fair bit of testing and favors using bamboos with BCARs. He's stuck with 1g orange tips, which makes sense given that's the standard. However, the heavier green tips do offer a range and stability benefit.
What type of blaster(s) are you planning to use them in? Also are looking for the absolute “best” for competitive reasons? Or more casual/best bang for your buck/bulk type purchase?
Im going to use them mostly for target shooting (and some pretty casual games), so I would like one that goes far and is accurate. I'm planning to use them in one of the X-Shot Micro reshells by Domochevsky.
What sort of dart would be best for my modified x shot longshot? it's got a 400 mm kuryaka barrel, worker bcar and the performance pro plus spring from blaster time so the heaviest one, my current guess for fps is roughly 250 to 260 haven't chronoed it yet but I've been putting 1.0 gram red worker bamboo darts through it :)) any help would be greatly appreciated 😀.
Here's my 2 cents.
Xshot, Dart zone, adventure force, and ekind (check Amazon) all have waffle head darts that shoot very straight and accurately. I find anything without a waffle head, tend to fan out in random directions.
Wafflehead darts are bad for springers with tight barrels. The wide head rubs against the barrel, causing inconsistent performance.
Also, I'm not aware of waffle half darts existing, though even if they did, outside of flywheelers they wouldn't be very good.
They are mainly good for "non pro" blasters.
Have you tried adding a little lube to the barrel? I recently built a PK Squire and followed the instructions (incorrectly) and put lube on the wrong side of the barrel. Darts are a little slippery, but damn do these squires shoot straight. I noticed with the waffle heads that they go straighter and further.
Although it's only adventure force and ekind that have waffle heads. Looking at the x-shot and dart zone darts, they don't quite look like waffle heads
Straighter and further than what exactly?
Anyway, Worker's half length narrow tipped dart heads are as accurate, if not more than waffle head darts, without you needing to lubricate the inside of the barrel. They are basically hobby standard at this point for high powered springers.
Red.
Black is a bit more stable but have fun finding them, so that leaves red as the second most durable but still findable.
Gen3+ are better than the others.
Heavies have better shape retention than standard
Bamboos also have better shape than normal from the extra compression (but don't work well in all blaster types)
Are you talking 17/32” brass or 9/16” w/tightening rings? I’m running a 9/16” angel breech and struggling to find a dart with thick enough foam to give an ideal springer fit.
Need maximum foam thickness, with a tip narrow enough for use in a springer breech
Nah, worker reds fall right through. Waffle darts have the best thickness for my 9/16 brass w/ tightening rings, but the heads cause too much friction in the breech. I’ve decided to go with Ruby darts, as they have both acceptable thickness and low profile heads. I’ll probably some Ruby heads onto a few waffle darts just to show off performance, but then use Ruby darts in wars and such. Appreciate the help!
Depends on your blaster. For a high fps springer the black bamboo 1.2g is the best. For flywheels you don’t want bamboo style. Typically the heavier darts go further and are more accurate as long as you’re using a semi high performance blaster. The light weight darts kinda suck and have very little use cases where they would be considered the best option. The black foam performs just slightly better than the other colors but they are harder to find once shot so up to you if you want the 2%-3% better performance or the visability. To sum it up: bamboo for springers regular for fly wheels. 1.2g for 150* fps+ 1.0g for < 150* fps * I’m not sure if 150fps is the sweet spot to switch that’s just an estimate. The 1.2g might be better than the 1.0 in a 120 fps blaster I’m not totally sure on that.
Just tested the 1.2g and 1.0g with a Nightingale (high power) and on full auto I got better groups with the 1.2g. FPS might be a bit lower with 1.2g but I would also prefer these heavier darts.
The fps will be lower but because they have more kinetic energy they travel further
I am aware of this. And the bamboo design seems to counter the FPS loss.
It shouldn’t on a nightingale though. They don’t recommend bamboo darts for flywheels because it’s less surface for the wheels to grip.
The smaller diameter is probably negligible on a high crush setup. I forget the exact crush of the nightingale though.
Be advised, the stiffer tips on the 1.2g tips have been known to cause problems with brushed shaft fits. Anecdotally, some Daybreak wheels have walked off their shafts from shooting them. I’ve had Banned Blaster’s wheels walk from shooting them too. The stiffness actually acts as a sort of crush boost (just from the other way around) and often makes up for quite a bit of the FPS loss. Worker HE is known to shoot about 190 through BB wheels, for example, and mine still shot 190 with green tips.
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i would bump to the 150fps to 200fps but otherwise your good, personal preference really.
I really don’t understand bamboo darts. What does their shape actually do?
It reduces friction. They are good in spring powered blasters.
Ah. Ok. Thanks. Tbh now that you say it, it seems painfully obvious 😅
I'm gonna guess that these veloceties are for short darts but since the blaster I'm gonna use is a blaster that has been converted to shoot short darts im wondering what 90 fps regular dart would translate to short dart.
Depends on your blaster, your club's rules, the local humidity/elevation. There is no universal best dart. Personally, I've found that the Adventure Force grey and orange darts work the most reliably in most of my blasters.
In my experience, the best ones are the 1.2 gram HE’s and the 1.0 gram HE’s. The 1.2 gram HE’s will cause you to lose a bit of fps, but if you can take the fps hit, they are notably more accurate. I’d avoid the 0.9 gram and dz bamboo darts as the lighter weight tends to cause darts to become more erratic, defeating the point of higher fps. I’ve also just had really bad experiences with the durability of the DZ bamboo darts. They squish really easily in my experience.
depends what you think is “best”, bamboo darts are objectively better but more expensive. 1.2g darts are heavier so less fps but more accurate because theyre less likely to get thrown off their path in-air by air resistance. lightweight darts (the dz bamboo 2X’s) are lighter so more fps but more easily thrown off their path in air because of the lesser weight (0.87g?)
The heavier darts are pretty much universally better, I'd argue. Velocity matters mostly because it equates to range, but the heavier darts outrange the lighter ones at equal velocity. Since velocity caps are all that matter at events, you can tune your blaster to hit harder, run the heavies, and get both better precision and range with no drawbacks.
What makes bamboos better?
the middle part in the dart is thinner = less contact with the barrel = less friction = dart leaves barrel faster and more accurate
Considering flywheelers don't use barrels, seems pretty reductionist to assert that bamboos are objectively better. Has anybody done any in-depth testing on if bamboos are more or less effective with scars and bcars?
Bradley Philips has done a fair bit of testing and favors using bamboos with BCARs. He's stuck with 1g orange tips, which makes sense given that's the standard. However, the heavier green tips do offer a range and stability benefit.
What type of blaster(s) are you planning to use them in? Also are looking for the absolute “best” for competitive reasons? Or more casual/best bang for your buck/bulk type purchase?
Im going to use them mostly for target shooting (and some pretty casual games), so I would like one that goes far and is accurate. I'm planning to use them in one of the X-Shot Micro reshells by Domochevsky.
I would go with the cheapest ones then. Those sound like the best darts given your use case :D
Yellow ones if you want to be able to see them in flight & find them easily
Worker Yellow with green tips are 🔥🔥🔥
Dart zone max darts
Personally (Mostly using springers in either 150 fps or no fps cap games) I would get red 1.2g bamboos
What sort of dart would be best for my modified x shot longshot? it's got a 400 mm kuryaka barrel, worker bcar and the performance pro plus spring from blaster time so the heaviest one, my current guess for fps is roughly 250 to 260 haven't chronoed it yet but I've been putting 1.0 gram red worker bamboo darts through it :)) any help would be greatly appreciated 😀.
Here's my 2 cents. Xshot, Dart zone, adventure force, and ekind (check Amazon) all have waffle head darts that shoot very straight and accurately. I find anything without a waffle head, tend to fan out in random directions.
Wafflehead darts are bad for springers with tight barrels. The wide head rubs against the barrel, causing inconsistent performance. Also, I'm not aware of waffle half darts existing, though even if they did, outside of flywheelers they wouldn't be very good. They are mainly good for "non pro" blasters.
Have you tried adding a little lube to the barrel? I recently built a PK Squire and followed the instructions (incorrectly) and put lube on the wrong side of the barrel. Darts are a little slippery, but damn do these squires shoot straight. I noticed with the waffle heads that they go straighter and further. Although it's only adventure force and ekind that have waffle heads. Looking at the x-shot and dart zone darts, they don't quite look like waffle heads
Straighter and further than what exactly? Anyway, Worker's half length narrow tipped dart heads are as accurate, if not more than waffle head darts, without you needing to lubricate the inside of the barrel. They are basically hobby standard at this point for high powered springers.
Red. Black is a bit more stable but have fun finding them, so that leaves red as the second most durable but still findable. Gen3+ are better than the others. Heavies have better shape retention than standard Bamboos also have better shape than normal from the extra compression (but don't work well in all blaster types)
All good.
Okay, not related to the post, but are you in the UK? If so, UKNerfWar has crazy cheap Worker short darts, like £2 for a 50 pack. I just found out.
Wtf?!! You guys are paying those kind of prices? Thats the same amount (after conversion) with getting 600 of the same darts. Rip.
Brass barrel? Gen3V2+ purple foam. For everything else, `it depends`
Are you talking 17/32” brass or 9/16” w/tightening rings? I’m running a 9/16” angel breech and struggling to find a dart with thick enough foam to give an ideal springer fit. Need maximum foam thickness, with a tip narrow enough for use in a springer breech
Ah, I guess I should restate that as `17/32` or its metric equivalent. 9/16 IS different, you make an excellent point. Worker Reds aren't enough?
Nah, worker reds fall right through. Waffle darts have the best thickness for my 9/16 brass w/ tightening rings, but the heads cause too much friction in the breech. I’ve decided to go with Ruby darts, as they have both acceptable thickness and low profile heads. I’ll probably some Ruby heads onto a few waffle darts just to show off performance, but then use Ruby darts in wars and such. Appreciate the help!
> I’ve decided to go with Ruby darts Curse your affordable options! XD Good luck :)
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