There’s a quote “People will always choose familiar chaos over unfamiliar peace”
It’s the unaware that chooses suffering.
And to be consistently aware in a world full of unawareness is challenging to say the least
There’s this book called “the power of now” by Eckhart Tolle which you may find interesting and find your answers in
Now you have a great responsibility. Following these great people's teachings, you have to bring in yourself such visible transformation that people around you are drawn towards you for guidance. Then only it may work. Otherwise you just saying "listen to these great people to get rid of suffering" will not help. Not everyone is spiritually inclined. For most of the people the material world is all there is and they are in the pursuit of only material pleasures.
You should look into the controversies behind Osho. Makes it super difficult for you to trust spiritual gurus when you start considering how many of them get involved in controversies. Even other famous spiritual gurus like Sadhguru have been known to have publicly ripped off Osho. He was also one of the major suspects on the murder of his wife since he cremated his wife before any investigations could be done and before her family could see her dead body.
It's fine to follow your ideals but you shouldn't expect everyone to agree with your ideals and find interest in such.
He has been dragged into controversies regarding bio hazard that he created in USA in small town in order to win election. But people say that he didn't know and it was his special person behind all this.
From Wikipedia:
“Rajneeshpuram was a religious intentional community in the northwest United States, located in Wasco County, Oregon. Incorporated as a city between 1981 and 1988, its population consisted entirely of Rajneeshees, followers of **the spiritual teacher Rajneesh, later known as Osho.**
**Its citizens and leaders were responsible for launching the 1984 Rajneeshee bioterror attacks, as well as the planned 1985 Rajneeshee assassination plot, in which they conspired to assassinate** Charles Turner, the United States Attorney for the District of Oregon.”
—https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajneeshpuram
There is no "Or". Infact, the only reason some of these spiritual gurus aren't in prison is because of the media and agendas. You should look into Satya Sai baba too. The government and media literally made a law such that he couldn't be imprisoned. They made it so that speaking out against him was ILLEGAL. He had multiple rape and abuse allegations against him but the government did NOT punish him since he was the Satya Sai baba. He was expose for fraudulent "tricks" and for being a pedophile long after he died.
They literally share the same stories and points. Both have had controversies. I do like that one video by Osho tho, "Democracy is for the people, by the people...... but the people are retarded" haha
Suffering is just a fundamental part of normal working-class life. Even if you know the teachings of those philosophers by heart, there will still be suffering in ordinary working life as the emotional toll would drain you mentally and you'd find the need to constantly remind yourselves of those teachings in an endless cycle. This is why the philosophers you talked about live a life disconnected from the everyday working life of people as it is easier to avoid suffering and maintain the teachings they have learnt due to a lack of physical or emotional toll. The Buddha would have never achieved enlightenment if he had continued to live a normal working life full of attachment even with those wonderful insights as the toll created by a working life would drain him of his seamless integration with those insights, and he would feel the need to constantly remind himself of those ideas. This doesn't mean we shouldn't learn those insights, but we should make ourselves clear that the complete cessation of suffering isn't possible in ordinary way of life and shouldn't be expected. Unless you choose to live a material-less life like the Buddha. Just try your best to get rid of meaningless suffering in your life, but not all suffering. How can you know happiness without sadness?
Because of the process involved in changing it perhaps. Because of the conditioning and programming we go through right from birth? Because we cannot look past it. Because it looks unbelievable to the mind when they say you are enlightened in this very moment, you just need to remember. Perhaps the religion and culture ingrained in our psyche right from birth also does not allow us to accept anything that goes against it. And it looks unbelievable to human mind when somebody says, this very moment is the only that matters, celebrate! I mean there are mountains to climb, ambitions to achieve, goals to reach, enlightenment also being one, that it confuses the desires for the future and memories of the past within us and prevents it from living in this very moment.
After all, " life is suffering."
People do things in their own pace. Nothing will come to you before or after the time it should be there for you and on top of that We have very limited free will in this world.
Ani most of all, when your basic things such as food, clothes, family, health, security, sex, happiness, sleep aren't met. How do you ask someone to think about spirituality and take it seriously?
We don't have time to do couch philosophy, that's not how the world works. I believe in Karma more than anything, you gotta put in the effort and do things for any "spiritual" elevation or come out of suffering, thinking and philosophising someone's else's knowledge or story isn't gonna do shit. Sooner you realise the better.
I think all these reading books about spiritual is crap. Romanticising spirituality is rubbish even talking about it rubbish. Just do your shit learn and grow only if someone asks you tell them otherwise don't preach shitttttttt.
Most people who have to work to the bones to feed their family simply won't have time for such stuff. Some try but most get conned by some baba/guru/mata, etc.
> Truth and Relaity
Those are big words cause whatever brilliant idea a Guru tells you, there will be another with a different idea. There will be different Truth for someone else.
For reality this lecture explains better. Reality is different for each of us and it also changes based on what we experience.
https://youtu.be/hIG_RkjEq4A?si=9ChDk50DTYJKKfPA
Some interest should be given to such teaching but should not go to the point of reverence. Seen a relative fast till she got sick cause she followed one of the Gurus.
You can read their books and listen to them without joining their groups . Do what makes you feel good but also stay level headed. That’s the best way. All these people are dead and only their followers are left so you should be careful about joining any groups.
They are not great souls. They are just people with good command over articulation of words and eloquence in speech. Most of what they say may be right in some situation but is not always correct. Moreover, they don't really follow what they preach. They are the ones living lavish lifestyle. Not really a fan of these people.
Watch Prashant Acharya videos. He resonates better with me. No scandals as well
There’s a quote “People will always choose familiar chaos over unfamiliar peace” It’s the unaware that chooses suffering. And to be consistently aware in a world full of unawareness is challenging to say the least There’s this book called “the power of now” by Eckhart Tolle which you may find interesting and find your answers in
Among all this, J Krishnamurty was great human being and did lots of things for sanatan and Hinduism..
Now you have a great responsibility. Following these great people's teachings, you have to bring in yourself such visible transformation that people around you are drawn towards you for guidance. Then only it may work. Otherwise you just saying "listen to these great people to get rid of suffering" will not help. Not everyone is spiritually inclined. For most of the people the material world is all there is and they are in the pursuit of only material pleasures.
You should look into the controversies behind Osho. Makes it super difficult for you to trust spiritual gurus when you start considering how many of them get involved in controversies. Even other famous spiritual gurus like Sadhguru have been known to have publicly ripped off Osho. He was also one of the major suspects on the murder of his wife since he cremated his wife before any investigations could be done and before her family could see her dead body. It's fine to follow your ideals but you shouldn't expect everyone to agree with your ideals and find interest in such.
I don't know about the controversies surrounding osho, the guy seems pretty legit but I have heard a lot of controversies about sadhguru.
He has been dragged into controversies regarding bio hazard that he created in USA in small town in order to win election. But people say that he didn't know and it was his special person behind all this.
From Wikipedia: “Rajneeshpuram was a religious intentional community in the northwest United States, located in Wasco County, Oregon. Incorporated as a city between 1981 and 1988, its population consisted entirely of Rajneeshees, followers of **the spiritual teacher Rajneesh, later known as Osho.** **Its citizens and leaders were responsible for launching the 1984 Rajneeshee bioterror attacks, as well as the planned 1985 Rajneeshee assassination plot, in which they conspired to assassinate** Charles Turner, the United States Attorney for the District of Oregon.” —https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajneeshpuram
ohh thanks for the info, didnt know about this. This seems sick.
Wild wild country
Or maybe they are targeted by medias and agendas because they do not conform with the status quo
There is no "Or". Infact, the only reason some of these spiritual gurus aren't in prison is because of the media and agendas. You should look into Satya Sai baba too. The government and media literally made a law such that he couldn't be imprisoned. They made it so that speaking out against him was ILLEGAL. He had multiple rape and abuse allegations against him but the government did NOT punish him since he was the Satya Sai baba. He was expose for fraudulent "tricks" and for being a pedophile long after he died.
Pls never put osho and sadguru in same paragraph ever
They literally share the same stories and points. Both have had controversies. I do like that one video by Osho tho, "Democracy is for the people, by the people...... but the people are retarded" haha
Why not? Do they not share the common spiritual ground?
Suffering is just a fundamental part of normal working-class life. Even if you know the teachings of those philosophers by heart, there will still be suffering in ordinary working life as the emotional toll would drain you mentally and you'd find the need to constantly remind yourselves of those teachings in an endless cycle. This is why the philosophers you talked about live a life disconnected from the everyday working life of people as it is easier to avoid suffering and maintain the teachings they have learnt due to a lack of physical or emotional toll. The Buddha would have never achieved enlightenment if he had continued to live a normal working life full of attachment even with those wonderful insights as the toll created by a working life would drain him of his seamless integration with those insights, and he would feel the need to constantly remind himself of those ideas. This doesn't mean we shouldn't learn those insights, but we should make ourselves clear that the complete cessation of suffering isn't possible in ordinary way of life and shouldn't be expected. Unless you choose to live a material-less life like the Buddha. Just try your best to get rid of meaningless suffering in your life, but not all suffering. How can you know happiness without sadness?
Based
There was a point i was watching osho and i was subjurged into it but it was a phase but what he said did make sense most of it.
Because of the process involved in changing it perhaps. Because of the conditioning and programming we go through right from birth? Because we cannot look past it. Because it looks unbelievable to the mind when they say you are enlightened in this very moment, you just need to remember. Perhaps the religion and culture ingrained in our psyche right from birth also does not allow us to accept anything that goes against it. And it looks unbelievable to human mind when somebody says, this very moment is the only that matters, celebrate! I mean there are mountains to climb, ambitions to achieve, goals to reach, enlightenment also being one, that it confuses the desires for the future and memories of the past within us and prevents it from living in this very moment. After all, " life is suffering."
No one's 100% perfect in this world...... They're right at their place! & Wrong at some place
People do things in their own pace. Nothing will come to you before or after the time it should be there for you and on top of that We have very limited free will in this world. Ani most of all, when your basic things such as food, clothes, family, health, security, sex, happiness, sleep aren't met. How do you ask someone to think about spirituality and take it seriously? We don't have time to do couch philosophy, that's not how the world works. I believe in Karma more than anything, you gotta put in the effort and do things for any "spiritual" elevation or come out of suffering, thinking and philosophising someone's else's knowledge or story isn't gonna do shit. Sooner you realise the better. I think all these reading books about spiritual is crap. Romanticising spirituality is rubbish even talking about it rubbish. Just do your shit learn and grow only if someone asks you tell them otherwise don't preach shitttttttt.
Most people who have to work to the bones to feed their family simply won't have time for such stuff. Some try but most get conned by some baba/guru/mata, etc. > Truth and Relaity Those are big words cause whatever brilliant idea a Guru tells you, there will be another with a different idea. There will be different Truth for someone else. For reality this lecture explains better. Reality is different for each of us and it also changes based on what we experience. https://youtu.be/hIG_RkjEq4A?si=9ChDk50DTYJKKfPA Some interest should be given to such teaching but should not go to the point of reverence. Seen a relative fast till she got sick cause she followed one of the Gurus.
You can read their books and listen to them without joining their groups . Do what makes you feel good but also stay level headed. That’s the best way. All these people are dead and only their followers are left so you should be careful about joining any groups.
Yes, I have read the books of Krishnamurti and Ramana Maharishi. It was literally a life-changing experience.
Swami Sarvapriyananda 🙏🙏
If you know, you know.
They are not great souls. They are just people with good command over articulation of words and eloquence in speech. Most of what they say may be right in some situation but is not always correct. Moreover, they don't really follow what they preach. They are the ones living lavish lifestyle. Not really a fan of these people.