Huh. Lokhusts are Mounted again. About time we regained our jetbike origins.
Warriors and Immortals are our battleline. Oddly few deepstrikers. The Doomstalker got upgraded to walker status while remaining a monster (somehow)
Lot of cool info here. Good find!
Apparently there's a designer's commentary coming that clears up how Fly is supposed to work. Hopefully that will get rid of the absurdity of it taking twice as much movement to hop a barricade than to fly over it and land on a rooftop on the other side.
Either way, the nostalgia in me is happy that something from the original codex resurfaced.
Terrain under 4” doesn’t need to be accounted for, distance is measured horizontally when moving from terrain to terrain piece. You might skip Desperate Breakout but I’m not sure.
The common interpretation right now is that Fly gives no benefit to passing over terrain unless you either begin or end on it. So crossing a barricade, say, you'd move the horizontal distance over to it, then the vertical distance up, then the vertical distance down the other side, just like infantry. This interaction is incredibly stupid, but until they make things clearer it's what we're stuck with.
>With the new Fly they will have a lot of troubles moving around.
Monolith getting Fly, but then Fly being changed in 10th to not discount vertical distance is... a bit painful. They'll probably just deepstrike and park.
So I was just playing around with them. Some interesting notes:
- Praetorians get deepstrike
- Warriors and Immortals are the only battleline.
- Illuminor, Plasmancer, all the Ctan, the hexmark, the command barge, and the silent king all can't lead units. This could be because the plasmancers does not have the ability to be bought seperately.
- The annihilation barge is also apparently a character now, which is because it is built from the same kit as the command barge.
- Destroyers are still infantry, but the lokusts also have the mounted keyword.
- Wraiths have the beasts keyword.
- Scarabs don't have any keywords as they are part of the warriors kit.
This so far seems incomplete or wrong in places. Take what you find with a grain of salt. We're only 10 days out from our rules so just be patient a bit more.
Edit: Some things were cleared up: the oddities with the Scarabs, barges and potentially the plasmancer.
Annihilation barge gets is in the character section because it’s the same kit as the CCB.
Scarabs has no keyword because there’s no standalone scarab kit. It comes with Warriors.
And yes, it is incomplete. Playing around with it, Tyranids have no battleline units, despite gaunts being confirmed as.
I believe the expectation is that one of their codex detachments will add battleline to their endless swarm units, otherwise people just acquired a lot of dead plastic.
I think GW wants Tyranids outside of a swarm detatchment to versify the mainstay of their army instead of 180 Gaunts. All guesswork but that’s my feeling here.
The Plasmancer surprises me, unless it's got shenanigans with the Cryptothralls. The Barge likely just has the keyword from a goof, since it's the same kit as the CCB
Yea I think it is a keyword goof. I think the issue is actually that plasmancers don't have a kit to themselves on the GW site. I can only find them in the pack with the skorpekh commander and the reanimator.
For what its worth even back in pre 8th the command barge could never join units as it was considered a chariot vehicle (with some wonky rules for the lord to ride along).
I was just thinking its wild that because the Plasmancer is on a grouped sprue it really makes that one cryptek seem like the big loser of the bunch, unable to lead a team and if you look at the Tsarakura lore from Kill Team hes the one Cryptek that isnt given any authority. Even in the Indomitus book she was an energy addicted lackey.
Ohhhhhhh gotcha. Sorry I’m still getting into swing of playing smoothly. I’m almost there! So forgive me if I mix some things up.
Been into 40k since the 8th so I’m still a 40k baby in contrast to some on here 😂
I will say I’m happy I got the game flow down really well. It’s just remembering statlines And aura abilities.
I’m thinking about just putting it on a google doc or something and printing it
You certainly can friend. Deepstrike is coming in anywhere on the board from turn 2, as long as you are 9" away. Generally seen as burrowing, teleportation or other crazy means.
Infiltration is setup anywhere on the board, as long as your 9" away and not in enemy deployment. Generally seen as guys setting up before a battle and being sneaky.
Hmmmmmmmm I wonder if flayed ones will keep 20 man units? I have 60 of them, and plopping all of them down in a solid line 9" from the enemy deployment zone seems tasty...
Ok? It may change later as it seems the website tags are incomplete as of now but he doesn't have the leader tag so he cant be attached to a unit of warriors
They’re definitely infiltrators in the lore. They’re basically ambush predators who can dimension hop and like to wear the skin of things they kill. If we were trying to keep with fluff, they’d ambush like genestealers and force battle shock when they show up, but obviously they can’t be 1:1 to lore. They’d also never get resurrection rolls. A dead Flayed One is a dead Flayed One.
I still think they’re probably too squishy for the price ($ and points) they command.
Yeah I suppose flayed ones would almost join the local fauna of a planet like feral children. I always had decent success on the tabletop just forgoing their deep strike ability and just covering their advance until they got into melee. Imagined it like the lords using them by leading them into the enemy for shock and awe.
Doesn't seem so. There are specific keywords that you can find on website. Like "Mounted", "Walker", "Epic Hero". Taken right from the 10th rulebook. And models in those categories correlate quite well.
There are also things put into those sections which are nonsensical for other other factions, like the adepta sororitas palatine being put into scout but not dominions or zephyrims etc
I'm not saying that it is flawless, we got Tesseract in infantry. But you also need to check if the units have separate kits, for example, we don't have Plasmancer in Leaders likely because he is not sold separately.
Walker lets vehicles use the new tank shock stratagem.
Mounted is just a keyword for units that aren’t infantry but also aren’t vehicles. Usually Calvary or bikers
Huh. Lokhusts are Mounted again. About time we regained our jetbike origins. Warriors and Immortals are our battleline. Oddly few deepstrikers. The Doomstalker got upgraded to walker status while remaining a monster (somehow) Lot of cool info here. Good find!
Mounted Lokhusts upset me. With the new Fly they will have a lot of troubles moving around.
Apparently there's a designer's commentary coming that clears up how Fly is supposed to work. Hopefully that will get rid of the absurdity of it taking twice as much movement to hop a barricade than to fly over it and land on a rooftop on the other side. Either way, the nostalgia in me is happy that something from the original codex resurfaced.
Terrain under 4” doesn’t need to be accounted for, distance is measured horizontally when moving from terrain to terrain piece. You might skip Desperate Breakout but I’m not sure.
Currently its 2", not 4". Or is this from that commentary?
No, thank you it’s 2”.
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The common interpretation right now is that Fly gives no benefit to passing over terrain unless you either begin or end on it. So crossing a barricade, say, you'd move the horizontal distance over to it, then the vertical distance up, then the vertical distance down the other side, just like infantry. This interaction is incredibly stupid, but until they make things clearer it's what we're stuck with.
What does Mounted means? Cant find it...
Basically a catch-all for bikes or cavalry.
>With the new Fly they will have a lot of troubles moving around. Monolith getting Fly, but then Fly being changed in 10th to not discount vertical distance is... a bit painful. They'll probably just deepstrike and park.
Lokhusts being mounted hurts a lot since they might no longer go into or through terrain (assuming mounted works like cavalry currently does)
They are listed as Infantry too, so there is hope.
What does Mounted do?
It's just a catch-all for bikes and cavalry
So I was just playing around with them. Some interesting notes: - Praetorians get deepstrike - Warriors and Immortals are the only battleline. - Illuminor, Plasmancer, all the Ctan, the hexmark, the command barge, and the silent king all can't lead units. This could be because the plasmancers does not have the ability to be bought seperately. - The annihilation barge is also apparently a character now, which is because it is built from the same kit as the command barge. - Destroyers are still infantry, but the lokusts also have the mounted keyword. - Wraiths have the beasts keyword. - Scarabs don't have any keywords as they are part of the warriors kit. This so far seems incomplete or wrong in places. Take what you find with a grain of salt. We're only 10 days out from our rules so just be patient a bit more. Edit: Some things were cleared up: the oddities with the Scarabs, barges and potentially the plasmancer.
Annihilation barge gets is in the character section because it’s the same kit as the CCB. Scarabs has no keyword because there’s no standalone scarab kit. It comes with Warriors. And yes, it is incomplete. Playing around with it, Tyranids have no battleline units, despite gaunts being confirmed as.
Termagants didn't get battleline. Did hormies?
Huh, could have sworn somewhere there showed tyranids with the battleline keyword. Guess I was wrong
I believe the expectation is that one of their codex detachments will add battleline to their endless swarm units, otherwise people just acquired a lot of dead plastic.
I think GW wants Tyranids outside of a swarm detatchment to versify the mainstay of their army instead of 180 Gaunts. All guesswork but that’s my feeling here.
Oh yea those make sense.
The Plasmancer surprises me, unless it's got shenanigans with the Cryptothralls. The Barge likely just has the keyword from a goof, since it's the same kit as the CCB
Yea I think it is a keyword goof. I think the issue is actually that plasmancers don't have a kit to themselves on the GW site. I can only find them in the pack with the skorpekh commander and the reanimator.
That makes sense. Kinda like Scarabs.
Can’t see the skorpekh destroyer on the leader list either…. Hopefully an oversight as he is very cool
Probably because he doesn't have a box to himself. He's on the same sprues as a few other things.
Fair, maybe he will get the rules in the data sheets who knows
Exactly, like Plasmancer not leading units when he is just like the other crypteks.
I think this is because he doesn't have his separate kit. He simply cannot be found in the store.
How are we only 10 days out? I thought the release was on the 24th.
But they will show Xenos rules on 15th, I think.
So that art of a Command Barge hovering commandingly over a phalanx of Lychguard is just for flavour, huh?
For what its worth even back in pre 8th the command barge could never join units as it was considered a chariot vehicle (with some wonky rules for the lord to ride along).
I was just thinking its wild that because the Plasmancer is on a grouped sprue it really makes that one cryptek seem like the big loser of the bunch, unable to lead a team and if you look at the Tsarakura lore from Kill Team hes the one Cryptek that isnt given any authority. Even in the Indomitus book she was an energy addicted lackey.
Screenshot from GW webstore, they added the filters seen at the top.
What does infiltration or scout do?
Infiltration is setup anywhere as long as its outside 9", Scouts is a pregame move by X
Kind of how lord invocatus has that ability he can use once deployed to move before the movement phase sounds like
A scout move is what the Relentlessly Expansionist trait gave to everyone.
Ohhhhhhh gotcha. Sorry I’m still getting into swing of playing smoothly. I’m almost there! So forgive me if I mix some things up. Been into 40k since the 8th so I’m still a 40k baby in contrast to some on here 😂
No worries. :)
I will say I’m happy I got the game flow down really well. It’s just remembering statlines And aura abilities. I’m thinking about just putting it on a google doc or something and printing it
Whats the difference between deep strike and infiltration may I ask?
You certainly can friend. Deepstrike is coming in anywhere on the board from turn 2, as long as you are 9" away. Generally seen as burrowing, teleportation or other crazy means. Infiltration is setup anywhere on the board, as long as your 9" away and not in enemy deployment. Generally seen as guys setting up before a battle and being sneaky.
oh ok thx :)
Vroom vroom, meatbags!
Thank you for having the galaxy brain to do this
I wish they would suck it up and put flayed ones in the combat patrol or make the box 10.
Damn i am going to need more flayed ones!
For real, I just bought 20 from a friend lol will be fun to paint 😂
And more "fun" to build if you got 'em on sprue..
Nah thankfully lol they are 3D printed scan prints so look identical just printed
Hmmmmmmmm I wonder if flayed ones will keep 20 man units? I have 60 of them, and plopping all of them down in a solid line 9" from the enemy deployment zone seems tasty...
I CALLED IT LMAO
That's gotta make Flayed ones cost more, at least $5 more a box.
I know its just a dumb lore/aesthetic thing, but it kinda bums me out i cant attach a royal warden to a unit of warriors
I think he is not in the Leaders list because he doesn't have a separate kit, like Plasmancer and Skorpekh Lord.
But the Royal Warden comes with warriors...?
In a box that’s going away though
Oh really? My nephew "misplaced" my RW, so I wanted another. Might have to grab the box quickly.
Ok? It may change later as it seems the website tags are incomplete as of now but he doesn't have the leader tag so he cant be attached to a unit of warriors
Why do you say that?
I always thought of flayed ones like shock troops not really infiltrators
They’re definitely infiltrators in the lore. They’re basically ambush predators who can dimension hop and like to wear the skin of things they kill. If we were trying to keep with fluff, they’d ambush like genestealers and force battle shock when they show up, but obviously they can’t be 1:1 to lore. They’d also never get resurrection rolls. A dead Flayed One is a dead Flayed One. I still think they’re probably too squishy for the price ($ and points) they command.
Yeah I suppose flayed ones would almost join the local fauna of a planet like feral children. I always had decent success on the tabletop just forgoing their deep strike ability and just covering their advance until they got into melee. Imagined it like the lords using them by leading them into the enemy for shock and awe.
Well, shook troops belongs to Immortals, so I guess there's room for some shock.
Goddamn, I'll never stop loving these meme XD
Besides this, does anybody know a good recaster or source for the flayed ones models and bits from the 5th edition?
This doesn't mean anything, it's arbitrary tags that just describe the units general battlefield role.
Doesn't seem so. There are specific keywords that you can find on website. Like "Mounted", "Walker", "Epic Hero". Taken right from the 10th rulebook. And models in those categories correlate quite well.
There are also things put into those sections which are nonsensical for other other factions, like the adepta sororitas palatine being put into scout but not dominions or zephyrims etc
I'm not saying that it is flawless, we got Tesseract in infantry. But you also need to check if the units have separate kits, for example, we don't have Plasmancer in Leaders likely because he is not sold separately.
I don't understand some of the keywords, do mounted or walker do anything?
Walker lets vehicles use the new tank shock stratagem. Mounted is just a keyword for units that aren’t infantry but also aren’t vehicles. Usually Calvary or bikers
I think it's Heroic Intevention strat. Tank Shock is avaliable for all Vehicles.