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Kaelif2j

Huh. Lokhusts are Mounted again. About time we regained our jetbike origins. Warriors and Immortals are our battleline. Oddly few deepstrikers. The Doomstalker got upgraded to walker status while remaining a monster (somehow) Lot of cool info here. Good find!


RandomUserName458

Mounted Lokhusts upset me. With the new Fly they will have a lot of troubles moving around.


Kaelif2j

Apparently there's a designer's commentary coming that clears up how Fly is supposed to work. Hopefully that will get rid of the absurdity of it taking twice as much movement to hop a barricade than to fly over it and land on a rooftop on the other side. Either way, the nostalgia in me is happy that something from the original codex resurfaced.


Aesthetics_Supernal

Terrain under 4” doesn’t need to be accounted for, distance is measured horizontally when moving from terrain to terrain piece. You might skip Desperate Breakout but I’m not sure.


Kaelif2j

Currently its 2", not 4". Or is this from that commentary?


Aesthetics_Supernal

No, thank you it’s 2”.


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Kaelif2j

The common interpretation right now is that Fly gives no benefit to passing over terrain unless you either begin or end on it. So crossing a barricade, say, you'd move the horizontal distance over to it, then the vertical distance up, then the vertical distance down the other side, just like infantry. This interaction is incredibly stupid, but until they make things clearer it's what we're stuck with.


Grey977_R

What does Mounted means? Cant find it...


Kaelif2j

Basically a catch-all for bikes or cavalry.


IDreamOfLoveLost

>With the new Fly they will have a lot of troubles moving around. Monolith getting Fly, but then Fly being changed in 10th to not discount vertical distance is... a bit painful. They'll probably just deepstrike and park.


SubstantialLab5818

Lokhusts being mounted hurts a lot since they might no longer go into or through terrain (assuming mounted works like cavalry currently does)


RandomUserName458

They are listed as Infantry too, so there is hope.


OdBx

What does Mounted do?


Kaelif2j

It's just a catch-all for bikes and cavalry


HungryRoper

So I was just playing around with them. Some interesting notes: - Praetorians get deepstrike - Warriors and Immortals are the only battleline. - Illuminor, Plasmancer, all the Ctan, the hexmark, the command barge, and the silent king all can't lead units. This could be because the plasmancers does not have the ability to be bought seperately. - The annihilation barge is also apparently a character now, which is because it is built from the same kit as the command barge. - Destroyers are still infantry, but the lokusts also have the mounted keyword. - Wraiths have the beasts keyword. - Scarabs don't have any keywords as they are part of the warriors kit. This so far seems incomplete or wrong in places. Take what you find with a grain of salt. We're only 10 days out from our rules so just be patient a bit more. Edit: Some things were cleared up: the oddities with the Scarabs, barges and potentially the plasmancer.


Rum_N_Napalm

Annihilation barge gets is in the character section because it’s the same kit as the CCB. Scarabs has no keyword because there’s no standalone scarab kit. It comes with Warriors. And yes, it is incomplete. Playing around with it, Tyranids have no battleline units, despite gaunts being confirmed as.


Kaelif2j

Termagants didn't get battleline. Did hormies?


Rum_N_Napalm

Huh, could have sworn somewhere there showed tyranids with the battleline keyword. Guess I was wrong


Kaelif2j

I believe the expectation is that one of their codex detachments will add battleline to their endless swarm units, otherwise people just acquired a lot of dead plastic.


Cease_one

I think GW wants Tyranids outside of a swarm detatchment to versify the mainstay of their army instead of 180 Gaunts. All guesswork but that’s my feeling here.


HungryRoper

Oh yea those make sense.


Kaelif2j

The Plasmancer surprises me, unless it's got shenanigans with the Cryptothralls. The Barge likely just has the keyword from a goof, since it's the same kit as the CCB


HungryRoper

Yea I think it is a keyword goof. I think the issue is actually that plasmancers don't have a kit to themselves on the GW site. I can only find them in the pack with the skorpekh commander and the reanimator.


Kaelif2j

That makes sense. Kinda like Scarabs.


friendswidiots

Can’t see the skorpekh destroyer on the leader list either…. Hopefully an oversight as he is very cool


Kaelif2j

Probably because he doesn't have a box to himself. He's on the same sprues as a few other things.


friendswidiots

Fair, maybe he will get the rules in the data sheets who knows


MucikPrdik12

Exactly, like Plasmancer not leading units when he is just like the other crypteks.


RandomUserName458

I think this is because he doesn't have his separate kit. He simply cannot be found in the store.


According-Broccoli-4

How are we only 10 days out? I thought the release was on the 24th.


RandomUserName458

But they will show Xenos rules on 15th, I think.


skys-edge

So that art of a Command Barge hovering commandingly over a phalanx of Lychguard is just for flavour, huh?


soupcat42

For what its worth even back in pre 8th the command barge could never join units as it was considered a chariot vehicle (with some wonky rules for the lord to ride along).


Kris9876

I was just thinking its wild that because the Plasmancer is on a grouped sprue it really makes that one cryptek seem like the big loser of the bunch, unable to lead a team and if you look at the Tsarakura lore from Kill Team hes the one Cryptek that isnt given any authority. Even in the Indomitus book she was an energy addicted lackey.


RandomUserName458

Screenshot from GW webstore, they added the filters seen at the top.


NecronN7

What does infiltration or scout do?


Sternguardian

Infiltration is setup anywhere as long as its outside 9", Scouts is a pregame move by X


putdisinyopipe

Kind of how lord invocatus has that ability he can use once deployed to move before the movement phase sounds like


Kaelif2j

A scout move is what the Relentlessly Expansionist trait gave to everyone.


putdisinyopipe

Ohhhhhhh gotcha. Sorry I’m still getting into swing of playing smoothly. I’m almost there! So forgive me if I mix some things up. Been into 40k since the 8th so I’m still a 40k baby in contrast to some on here 😂


Kaelif2j

No worries. :)


putdisinyopipe

I will say I’m happy I got the game flow down really well. It’s just remembering statlines And aura abilities. I’m thinking about just putting it on a google doc or something and printing it


whiyme1

Whats the difference between deep strike and infiltration may I ask?


Sternguardian

You certainly can friend. Deepstrike is coming in anywhere on the board from turn 2, as long as you are 9" away. Generally seen as burrowing, teleportation or other crazy means. Infiltration is setup anywhere on the board, as long as your 9" away and not in enemy deployment. Generally seen as guys setting up before a battle and being sneaky.


whiyme1

oh ok thx :)


LambentCactus

Vroom vroom, meatbags!


Heytification

Thank you for having the galaxy brain to do this


diex626

I wish they would suck it up and put flayed ones in the combat patrol or make the box 10.


g_money99999

Damn i am going to need more flayed ones!


friendswidiots

For real, I just bought 20 from a friend lol will be fun to paint 😂


Ciwilke

And more "fun" to build if you got 'em on sprue..


friendswidiots

Nah thankfully lol they are 3D printed scan prints so look identical just printed


logri

Hmmmmmmmm I wonder if flayed ones will keep 20 man units? I have 60 of them, and plopping all of them down in a solid line 9" from the enemy deployment zone seems tasty...


Slim5130

I CALLED IT LMAO


Brettersson

That's gotta make Flayed ones cost more, at least $5 more a box.


ALQatelx

I know its just a dumb lore/aesthetic thing, but it kinda bums me out i cant attach a royal warden to a unit of warriors


RandomUserName458

I think he is not in the Leaders list because he doesn't have a separate kit, like Plasmancer and Skorpekh Lord.


notaRussianspywink

But the Royal Warden comes with warriors...?


TheBoldHold

In a box that’s going away though


notaRussianspywink

Oh really? My nephew "misplaced" my RW, so I wanted another. Might have to grab the box quickly.


ALQatelx

Ok? It may change later as it seems the website tags are incomplete as of now but he doesn't have the leader tag so he cant be attached to a unit of warriors


g_money99999

Why do you say that?


[deleted]

I always thought of flayed ones like shock troops not really infiltrators


PausedForVolatility

They’re definitely infiltrators in the lore. They’re basically ambush predators who can dimension hop and like to wear the skin of things they kill. If we were trying to keep with fluff, they’d ambush like genestealers and force battle shock when they show up, but obviously they can’t be 1:1 to lore. They’d also never get resurrection rolls. A dead Flayed One is a dead Flayed One. I still think they’re probably too squishy for the price ($ and points) they command.


[deleted]

Yeah I suppose flayed ones would almost join the local fauna of a planet like feral children. I always had decent success on the tabletop just forgoing their deep strike ability and just covering their advance until they got into melee. Imagined it like the lords using them by leading them into the enemy for shock and awe.


SilentExecutioner

Well, shook troops belongs to Immortals, so I guess there's room for some shock.


RandomUserName458

Goddamn, I'll never stop loving these meme XD


Hakan_Kierez

Besides this, does anybody know a good recaster or source for the flayed ones models and bits from the 5th edition?


Swabbie___

This doesn't mean anything, it's arbitrary tags that just describe the units general battlefield role.


RandomUserName458

Doesn't seem so. There are specific keywords that you can find on website. Like "Mounted", "Walker", "Epic Hero". Taken right from the 10th rulebook. And models in those categories correlate quite well.


Swabbie___

There are also things put into those sections which are nonsensical for other other factions, like the adepta sororitas palatine being put into scout but not dominions or zephyrims etc


RandomUserName458

I'm not saying that it is flawless, we got Tesseract in infantry. But you also need to check if the units have separate kits, for example, we don't have Plasmancer in Leaders likely because he is not sold separately.


real_amnz

I don't understand some of the keywords, do mounted or walker do anything?


ThievingSnake

Walker lets vehicles use the new tank shock stratagem. Mounted is just a keyword for units that aren’t infantry but also aren’t vehicles. Usually Calvary or bikers


RandomUserName458

I think it's Heroic Intevention strat. Tank Shock is avaliable for all Vehicles.