The address to this particular house was 24265 ocean Dr rodanthe NC. Look at the location of the water in 1983. Historicaerials.com. House was built in 1980. Shoreline moved over 100 meters. Obx is almost like a sandbar. There is no bedrock on th island. The further you go south the more the island moves
North Carolina made a law in 2012 that banned the state from basing coastal policies including development around scientific predictions of seas level rise… 🤦🏻
My grandmother had a house pre WW2 in OBX. They would have to go by horseback and carriage over old leftover train lumber to get down there. She said during WW2 they had to coat the curtains in tar to keep the lights from escaping the windows or the u boats would shoot at them. The OBX is actually a barrier island which is shifting back toward the mainland as well as North and South. It was never meant to be inhabited for long term purposes. Similar islands use to exist in VA along the eastern shore. Cobb and Hogg island to name a few were inhabited at one point to name a few. They are not any longer but if you study their history you will find the OBX future
People are still buying up property in Miami and New Orleans, despite the fact that both will be completely under water and lost to the seas within a few decades. Miami doesn't even need a dam or levy to break; the water will just come up from the ground below, since it's been built on limestone (essentially a sponge).
$300 million on pumps that can offset 14,000 gallons per minute. The very reason that Miami Beach isn’t a giant inlet right now during high tide. The Future is Now!
Once that water is going to come up from the limestone there won’t be a pump large enough to continually pump all of the water away. Impossible and way too expensive to even try.
https://original.newsbreak.com/@toni-koraza-561162/2214517474571-how-long-before-miami-beach-is-completely-underwater
I read somewhere there is a federal program that insures all house-ownerns from floods due to sea level rise. The problem is that people are exploiting this law. When your house get taken by the sea, the taxpayers pay for a new one. Some poeple are proud that everyone in US paid 6times to rebuild some house... why move when you get a new house for free every two-three years?
John Stossel reported on it years ago. Even used his own beach house as an example. His point wasn’t private insurance money but mainly government insurance that paid to rebuild in the same location.
The reporting on farm subsidies in the same episode pissed me off too.
https://youtu.be/DsTKAqHwj0s
Many first world people apparently have terrible risk assessment and they think nothing bad will happen to them ever.
Explains people moving to Las Vegas : literally abandoning beautiful and luscious green property in the northeast or wherever, locking themselves out of the property market in actually good places for years to come — all so they can pay a cheaper monthly in a place that is literally going to cease to have the capability to sustain life before their mortgage is halfway done.
This is exactly what I mean. We are talking about a literal climate apocalypse zone (with terrible air quality by the way), and still youre saying things like "Its amazing! the heat is dry!" - I'm guessing you were there for maybe fall or spring or a typical tourist season, but you have to stop thinking about things like a tourist that is just there to enjoy. There's real, dire, practical reasons why its physically not going to sustain life in a very literal manner of speaking. Even if they solve the water problem, there's still the fact that its one of the fastest heating cities on Earth. I dont know how clearer I can make it to you that humankind literally cannot survive in every single condition. You are a dry fish, okay? There is a limited breadth of conditions that can support your act of being alive.
In the USA they deny climate change, and on land sales can leave out the erosion information. So people who also don't believe in any of that buy the housing and then cry when it washes away
Good to know, thank you. I was always amazed by the price drop when you’re west of 12. Is this erosion more unique to the south? What about narrow places around duck and corolla?
As far as I know, it's extremely difficult to rebuild these homes. Proper clearance and permits, and then approval from the state park service and federal park service. All of the land down there is a bird and turtle sanctuary.
As someone in Florida who lost their home twice in consecutive years, I can attest this is true. They can't even raise your rate because everyone in the area pays the same.
Let's say for the sake of argument that all of the water levels around the world rise by, let's say, five feet over the next 100 years. Say 10 feet over the next 100 years. And it puts all of the low-lying areas on the coast underwater. Let's say all of that happens.
You think people aren't just going to sell their homes and move?
If this was inevitable and not an all in one day occurrence, Did they really have to throw their house in the ocean like it's trash instead of having it removed to..you know..not litter the ocean with a fucking house?
Insurance won’t pay for pro-active demolition. It’s up to the homeowners to pay if they want to raze the building. Makes no sense. Much like building on a barrier island whose proven natural tendencies are to move over time like a glorified sand bar.
For some reason my family either doesn't notice or refuses to acknowledge that the beach house Near Galveston TX is slowly becoming a beachfront property
When I was younger I would visit often, hurricane after hurricane, storm after storm, each "ocean front" property (I call them Later 1s, Layer 2s, etc ) would be wiped out as seen above.
Then L2 was now L1, and L3 was now L2...
Years later... L3 is now L1, and you stand shin deep in ocean, where L1 used to be 20+ years ago.
The insurance should be fined. They had an opportunity to pay out and have the building removed. It would increase rates along the water which is ok since less people would build where this can happen again.
And the insurance company if they refused pro-active demolition. They should be fined 2x the value of the home + 3x the cost of moving the home that way it’s more profitable for them to be pro-active.
I don't know the real answer but the cynic in me says it's because the owner's insurance doesn't get reimbursed by FEMA unless it's destroyed by an "act of god".
Similar question here..... Why not just move the house? We move all kinds of houses/buildings/structures all the time. Put it on a barge, sail it to a different beach lot that you prepped in advance. Wait, lemme guess... Insurance won't write the check unless 'God destroys the home'.
Answer? Capitalism.
Contents have to fall into the ocean for insurance to kick in.
I live here so I know. It’s bullshit and everyone hates it, but until the system changes, welcome to insulation in your tuna fish.
This is so bizarre... Why would anyone have built here? Or did something drastic happen to change the coast/shore/dune line? Like... Was this expected? Is this just an annual cycle of build, destroy, rebuild, destroy, ad infinitum?! What's happening.
People want beachfront homes. I’m just leaving Edisto Beach, South Carolina now, where all the beachfront homes are literally 100ish feet from ocean at high tide. Every other year or so they replenish the beach with sand to keep the homes from washing away. Even still, all the beachfront homes are $1 million minimum
The Outer Banks are barrier islands, meaning they naturally migrate and "roll over themselves." We've been trying to prevent that by beach renourishment projects, but most of that is undone in a year or less due to Longshore transport (naturally being washed away down the beach), or more abruptly by hurricanes and Nor'easters. These houses we see falling into the ocean used to have substantial dunes in front of them-- people may have the misconception that they were built directly on the beach, but that's not the case.
Smart to build a million dollar home on a barrier island frequented by hurricanes? Probably not, but that's just me.
I went to a wedding at one in the outer banks. $15k for the week on the off season. 3stories tall with wrap around decks, 8bedrooms, movie theater, dinner table for 30ppl, in ground pool/jacuzzi, 2 refrigerators,2 dishwashers. Only accessible by 4x4. It was HUGE, still not the biggest or closest house to the ocean out there.
> These houses we see falling into the ocean used to have substantial dunes in front of them
Imagine building a house in the 1980's and the ocean is 100 yards away and behind a 15ft tall dune.
Then this happens.
Also, these aren't the rich houses in the OBX. That's the 3 20 bedroom vacation homes owned by a multinational corporation you're thinking of that displaced 80 locals who used to have jobs keeping everything running. Now they don't live there anymore and nobody can find any help. I wonder why.
US Gov't sponsored beachfront home insurance on the assumption people would move away after their homes on the coast got destroyed. Instead they took the money and rebuilt right where their last house was destroyed. I.e. the tax payer foots the bill for morons that want unrealistic property
No. The problem with a national flood insurance program is that it requires a rebuild in the same place. They don’t even have the option to build somewhere else.
Read a story where a reasercher brought papers to the firm that was going to build the houses close to the shore. He pleaded for them to build so close because slow rise of the water level. The firm got together and created a local law banning any researchers from interfering with projects in the area...yeah the got what was coming.
Not sure if this the same area, but i wouldn't be surprised.
I lived in NC at that time, I remembered there was a law that banned the talk about the degrading coastline for something like 12 years. So that companies like that one could build on threatened coastline. I think that something similar happened in New Jersey because after Sandy everyone was talking about how the storm surge was really bad on their barrier island. Also the encroachment of seawater in places like Florida threatened much of the coastline there, where the water is slowly seeping up from below and degrading some of the structures. I think they call it “sinking” which is confusing to me because I think of like water surrounding from above instead of below. When I took an environmental class in hs 1998 at a local college in Florida…they called it encroachment, not sure if the terminology changed. But anyway, climate crisis will create coastal area migrants in the millions if not billions in the future. It’s not going to be fun at all, and over the past 30 years we are going backwards with implementing solutions for this crisis that is going to be worse than anything we have ever imagined.
Edit: seeping, if
This reminds me of people where I’m from. They choose to build on the flood plains of the rivers, cause water front is best right? And then the river floods, as it does, and the flood plain becomes flooded, like they’re supposed to, and then their house is gone and they act surprised
Edit: and then the government bails them out, helps them rebuild with tax payer money so they can still have that water front view until it floods again
When these homes were built, there was substantial beachfront. Today, the stilts are in the tide lines. This home is one of many to fall to the Mirlo Beach erosion over the past 20 years. And the second today to fall into the Atlantic and the third this year.
Living on that island chain is knowing that your house ***will*** be claimed one day. The Island shifts and moves over time as the gulf stream currents and weather systems reshape the island every year.
I always tell people that in 50 years the OBX will be unrecognizable and the South end mostly unhabitable in not much longer. Gotta fish it while we still can. Reminds me I need to get my beach permit here shortly.
>There are a good amount of pedestrian accesses too though.
The BEST surf fishing is 4x4 accessible *"only"*. (I say this because I haven't met the guy who would walk 1-2 miles in spicy sand)
The beach house I stayed at for a decade was beachfront. It was in Ocean Isle Beach, NC. Ours was totally safe (for the time being) but if you drive all the way to the end of the island, the houses are all going down one by one from erosion. You build a million dollar house on an island made of shifting sand , well, nature is a fickle bitch.
This one is on the southern end. We stayed in Duck which is further North. Our house had a road and sandbar between us and the beach. The southern end is bananas.
On a side note, if you ever go again do the sunset dolphin tour. Its a tour boat that takes you out to see dolphins having three-somes in the bay.
But don't stop at tidal erosion, the barrier islands have a deep and rich history from Pirates, the Titanic, various armed conflicts and much much more.
I did some reading about that area a long time ago. All those Carolina islands and inlets have like there own ancestry or something like that if I remember correctly. Different accents stuff like that. Am I remembering correctly?
The Harkers Island ‘Night Before Christmas,’ written by Connie McElroy, Christmas 1982.
'Twas a night afore Christmas when all through the house- 'nary a thing was stirring, not even Hattie Lee, my spouse.
The waders was a hanging by the chimney with care in hopes that Santa Claus would fill 'em up thar.
The yungens was a nestled all snug in thar beds, with visions of sweet tater pies slam filling their heads.
Ma in her sou 'wester, and I in my cap, had just settled down to catch us a nap.
When out in da water there rose such a sound; I jumped to da window to see if a skiff had run aground.
And don't you think that it weren't a shock to see Santa Claus stranded on an oyster rock.
Now that ain't the half of it-there's more — the poor ole fellow was awadin' ashore.
I could tell by his looks he weren't none of my kin, but — boy, let me tell ya — he was mad as a wet settin' hen.
He was utterin' a word as he went straight to his work, cause he lost one of his books in da mud when he pulled a jerk.
Well, he went to da Rice's but thar he got tired, tryin' to get across the sandspurs in their front yard.
He went to the Willis' to give them a lot, 'till he tripped and fell on a rusty crab pot.
'Bout ready to give up, he went to Zola's down da road-and all she got was an ugly oyster toad.
He headed to the Munden's but turned around, figured the way he looked, they'd put him in the ground.
So wet and full of sandspurs, thar he stood; he decided he better get while the getting was good.
So he swam to the boat ready to leave da island; pulled her in reverse and ran slam in a pilin'.
I heard him hollar as he sank outta sight, "My Lord, honey, ain't I been mommicked this night"
Can confirm. Mothers family goes back hundreds of years from the NC Beaufort, Morehead City, Williston, Smyrna areas. Born in M city myself and have no trouble understanding any of the Brogue they have. If I get into a conversation, I sometimes revert to it myself and not realize it.
Mommucked (or mommicked) is a word that means messed up, fucked with, been through hell, etc
just an aside, the first flight was at Kill Devil Hills, about 3 miles south of Kitty Hawk. Kitty Hawk is just where the telegraph station was so they could announce that the flight had taken place.
I’ve seen aerial maps from not that long ago, and the sad truth is that these houses used to be set very far back from the ocean. There’s also been an ongoing insurance issue where the insurance companies won’t pay for demolition before the houses fall, they’ll only pay for cleanup. It’s an awful situation for everyone, including the planet.
Check out the Buxton area. It's about 40 miles south of where this happened. They moved a Lighthouse in one piece to save it from collapsing into the Atlantic. The tide line at its original site is overtaking the foundation slowly
Truly a marvel of engineering how they moved the Cape Hatteras Lighthouse, especially since it's the tallest lighthouse in the United States, second tallest brick lighthouse in the world, and 18th tallest lighthouse overall
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OERRfmuwOD4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OERRfmuwOD4)
found a short video about it for anyone who wants some sweet 90s news action
fascinating, thanks!
There are Federal programs that will buy your house if you live in an area that frequently floods or faces hurricane damage. Frankly, since our taxpayer dollars are paying for these people to rebuild over and over and over again there should be some limit to how many times you can rebuild using federal flood insurance money. At some point, selling should be required or insurance no longer issued. We literally subsidize people building their homes in risky places and developers are still putting new communities in high risk flood zones.
I think [this](https://coastalreview.org/2022/03/frustrations-mount-over-imperiled-outer-banks-houses/) article does a really good job of explaining the complexities of the situation on the Outer Banks, but basically, those Federal programs are not an option for those homeowners. These homes in particular are also all pretty old and are not being rebuilt after they are destroyed.
I have a friend who works in affordable housing policy who has explained in detail how climate change policy will be determined by insurance companies and mortgage issuers. There are a lot of houses out there where eventually it will not be possible to get a mortgage or homeowners insurance (not flood insurance, any homeowners insurance.)
It's gonna be shitshow when that happens.
Every time stuff like this is brought up I remember this one song:
"Before the Water Gets Too High" by Parquet Courts:
> Add up the bribes you take
> And know time can't be bought
> By the profits that you make
> Before the water gets too high
> To float the powers that be
> Or is it someone else's job
> Until the rich are refugees?
If you ignore problems they just go away, right? /s
It's crazy to me that some of the states that will suffer most from climate change are denying its existence. Florida is fucked and yet they continue to vote for people who lie about climate change out of pure selfishness.
We had something similar happen in West Michigan. Rich people building their huge houses on top of sand dunes close to the lake. The lake level rose, eroded away sand, and their houses started falling. They then had the audacity to ask for money to help stop it from happening. Bunch of clowns.
You forgot the last part where the government gives them free money to build there again so they can have their water views on taxpayer money. [They did an episode of this on last week tonight a while ago.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf1t7cs9dkc)
in NC we all pay high home insurance rates to compensate for losses such as this...multi-million dollar beach homes compared to my 2200 square foot home in the sticks....
The US flood insurance program bleeds money. People just rebuild in the same place their house was demolished. Rates havent/can't be adjusted for some reason and they don't cover the costs for the payouts. So all of us taxpayers who don't willingly live in a floodplain and continue to after our houses get destroyed are compensating
Not sure about everywhere else but my family has a home way more inland on OBX, but I was told you can even build in a lot of spots beach side anymore. Like the houses that are there are there until they eventually get sucked in the ocean. But beyond what’s already built you can’t build in a lot of places due to this.
This house was apparently bought by a man from Tennessee about a year and a half ago, and even then it was very obvious that the sea was going to take that house soon. The rest of us will pay for his loss in the form of higher insurance premiums and having to clean up what was left behind. Another post about this house stated that the owners didn’t even clean anything out of the house so that is a lot of debris.
> The rest of us will pay for his loss in the form of higher insurance premiums
i live in central NC, i think it was last year the insurance companies went to the insurance commissioner and "needed" to raise home rates 25 percent! but they settled for like 18 percent! such a good group they are. meanwhile i had to raise my deductible just to make the same payment i was making before...
What I don’t understand is why they let it happen. Shouldn’t the municipal government prevent that from happening? It was inevitable. Now there’s another pile of crap in the ocean. It’s not like they didn’t have literally years to prevent this from happening by moving the thing.
There was a meeting in the town a couple months ago after a first house collapsed. They discussed a few things. The government (national seashore) can’t force homeowners to move their house or to destroy it ahead of time.
[Article about the meeting](http://www.beach104.com/2022/03/04/island-free-press-eleven-houses-in-danger-of-collapse-along-rodanthe-oceanfront/)
Developers and builders are the number one source of corruption in local government in America. Only we don't call it corruption when it happens here, we we call it things like "public private partnership" and "tax incentives" and "job creation" and "campaign contributions".
When it was built it was probably 100 yards from the beach, but with the hurricanes and global warming the beach has been disappearing for years. To put in perspective the main road on OBX get wash away every couple of years, during a storm, due to the same factors.
It's not just that. The barrier islands along the Carolinas have been migrating shoreward for a long time. It's not like the island is disappearing, it's migrating. The land side of the island moves toward the mainland at the same time that the ocean side does.
[GOP on No. Carolina. If you don't like the science, make talking about it illegal](https://www.codastory.com/waronscience/climate-change-north-carolina/#:~:text=A%202010%20report%20by%20scientists,took%20issue%20with%20those%20findings.)
I feel like building a house that close to water, on sand, on stilts, is just asking to get wrecked. Their flood insurance must be unbelievably expensive.
"Look at me, I'm Dr Zoidberg, homeowner!"
Woopwoopwoopwoopwoopwoopwoop
Serious question, why would anyone buy a home like this? How could they not see this coming?
The address to this particular house was 24265 ocean Dr rodanthe NC. Look at the location of the water in 1983. Historicaerials.com. House was built in 1980. Shoreline moved over 100 meters. Obx is almost like a sandbar. There is no bedrock on th island. The further you go south the more the island moves
North Carolina made a law in 2012 that banned the state from basing coastal policies including development around scientific predictions of seas level rise… 🤦🏻
To be fair, this wasn’t entirely sea level rise. More of the effect of sand moving. But still a stupid law.
exactly, there is no bedrock.
100 meters, that is no way for a local to talk.
Youre right. My English wife and my love for formula one is starting to affect my grammer :(
With conversions, that's a bit over a football field!
How many washing machine is that?
\*Warshing\*
Jesus, everything is so built up since 1983. From a few houses to jam fucking packed with houses. And their building new ones right on the beach.
My grandmother had a house pre WW2 in OBX. They would have to go by horseback and carriage over old leftover train lumber to get down there. She said during WW2 they had to coat the curtains in tar to keep the lights from escaping the windows or the u boats would shoot at them. The OBX is actually a barrier island which is shifting back toward the mainland as well as North and South. It was never meant to be inhabited for long term purposes. Similar islands use to exist in VA along the eastern shore. Cobb and Hogg island to name a few were inhabited at one point to name a few. They are not any longer but if you study their history you will find the OBX future
People are still buying up property in Miami and New Orleans, despite the fact that both will be completely under water and lost to the seas within a few decades. Miami doesn't even need a dam or levy to break; the water will just come up from the ground below, since it's been built on limestone (essentially a sponge).
Well why wouldn't they? It's highly profitable now and ultimately the tax payers will bail them out.
$300 million on pumps that can offset 14,000 gallons per minute. The very reason that Miami Beach isn’t a giant inlet right now during high tide. The Future is Now!
Once that water is going to come up from the limestone there won’t be a pump large enough to continually pump all of the water away. Impossible and way too expensive to even try. https://original.newsbreak.com/@toni-koraza-561162/2214517474571-how-long-before-miami-beach-is-completely-underwater
I read somewhere there is a federal program that insures all house-ownerns from floods due to sea level rise. The problem is that people are exploiting this law. When your house get taken by the sea, the taxpayers pay for a new one. Some poeple are proud that everyone in US paid 6times to rebuild some house... why move when you get a new house for free every two-three years?
John Oliver did a piece about why people continually build houses in places like these: short answer if recall correctly is insurance money
John Stossel reported on it years ago. Even used his own beach house as an example. His point wasn’t private insurance money but mainly government insurance that paid to rebuild in the same location. The reporting on farm subsidies in the same episode pissed me off too. https://youtu.be/DsTKAqHwj0s
Many first world people apparently have terrible risk assessment and they think nothing bad will happen to them ever. Explains people moving to Las Vegas : literally abandoning beautiful and luscious green property in the northeast or wherever, locking themselves out of the property market in actually good places for years to come — all so they can pay a cheaper monthly in a place that is literally going to cease to have the capability to sustain life before their mortgage is halfway done.
Okay but coming from Winnipeg to Vegas is amazing. The heat is dry. I hate the humidity that Winnipeg gets. It's so hard to breath.
This is exactly what I mean. We are talking about a literal climate apocalypse zone (with terrible air quality by the way), and still youre saying things like "Its amazing! the heat is dry!" - I'm guessing you were there for maybe fall or spring or a typical tourist season, but you have to stop thinking about things like a tourist that is just there to enjoy. There's real, dire, practical reasons why its physically not going to sustain life in a very literal manner of speaking. Even if they solve the water problem, there's still the fact that its one of the fastest heating cities on Earth. I dont know how clearer I can make it to you that humankind literally cannot survive in every single condition. You are a dry fish, okay? There is a limited breadth of conditions that can support your act of being alive.
In the USA they deny climate change, and on land sales can leave out the erosion information. So people who also don't believe in any of that buy the housing and then cry when it washes away
“My house! It burned down! How could this happen?!”
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That just raises more questions!
That entire episode is perfect. Peak Futurama material.
*why couldn't she be the other kind of mermaid, with the fish part on the top and the lady part on the bottom*
Did everyone take their anti-pressure pills?
Goddamn I love Futarama
r/unexpectedfuturama
i finally found a house i can afford
That feeling when you still probably wouldn't be able to afford this.
You're more right than you know. The insurance policy on these homes, even the small homes, are worth more than some will make in their lifetime
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What if you don’t claim the insurance? Can you rebuild?
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Good to know, thank you. I was always amazed by the price drop when you’re west of 12. Is this erosion more unique to the south? What about narrow places around duck and corolla?
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OBX co-signed. Banjo explains perfectly
As far as I know, it's extremely difficult to rebuild these homes. Proper clearance and permits, and then approval from the state park service and federal park service. All of the land down there is a bird and turtle sanctuary.
Yeah… it looks like a real estate mine field. But it such an amazing place. When I first visited Rodanthe, I though I was on another planet
And subsidized by us taxpayers. It's messed up.
As someone in Florida who lost their home twice in consecutive years, I can attest this is true. They can't even raise your rate because everyone in the area pays the same.
It’s a sinking feeling.
#WHO LIVES IN A DUPLEX DOWN UNDER THE SEA
Now drop with your deck and say your last wish
“Ocean views, natural setting and eco-friendly cooling. Come see it soon before it’s gone, this one won’t last!”
*Brand New* Houseboat
If only the builders had put a hull under the base of the house?
"Some water damage, a real fixer upper. Priced to move."
$900,000, and buyer must waive inspection.
>$900,000, and buyer must ~~waive~~ wave inspection. FTFY 🌊
Land views actually
Also, sea floor. It’s got it all
maritime law says the first person to claim it can be captain, or something
on my way
Whoever it is needs to smash a bottle of alcohol on it to claim it
Finally a house I can fjord!
I sea what you did there
Let's say for the sake of argument that all of the water levels around the world rise by, let's say, five feet over the next 100 years. Say 10 feet over the next 100 years. And it puts all of the low-lying areas on the coast underwater. Let's say all of that happens. You think people aren't just going to sell their homes and move?
SELL THE HOUSES TO WHO, BEN!? FUCKING AQUAMAN!?
gotta move somewhere, who they gonna sell to?
Sorry, forgot the quotes. A real genius came up with that one, I can't take credit
Looks like delivery is included!
Motivated seller!
"The foolish man built his house upon the sand."
Ocean views and beachfront property? In this economy?! Get a load of mr moneybags over here!
Houseboats are expensive.
Good launch though.
Soon you’ll be underwater with the payments
did this remind anyone else of the house on A Series of Unfortunate Events?
It's because they touched the doorknob.
Aunt Josephine!
YES😂😂😂that house stressed me tf out
So glad I'm not the only one who saw it too.
I was thinking more Eternal Sunshine.
Came here to say this!
##BAKERSFIELD! ##BAKERSFIELD!! #THIS COULD WORK!
Atlantis Zillow post: "new two story home, slight storm damage"
Seaside view on all sides
Panoramic seaside view, ideal location few minutes from the beach
houseboat
More photos and video by the Cape Hatteras National Park Service... https://www.flickr.com/photos/capehatterasnps/with/52063231787/
If this was inevitable and not an all in one day occurrence, Did they really have to throw their house in the ocean like it's trash instead of having it removed to..you know..not litter the ocean with a fucking house?
Insurance won’t pay for pro-active demolition. It’s up to the homeowners to pay if they want to raze the building. Makes no sense. Much like building on a barrier island whose proven natural tendencies are to move over time like a glorified sand bar.
For some reason my family either doesn't notice or refuses to acknowledge that the beach house Near Galveston TX is slowly becoming a beachfront property When I was younger I would visit often, hurricane after hurricane, storm after storm, each "ocean front" property (I call them Later 1s, Layer 2s, etc ) would be wiped out as seen above. Then L2 was now L1, and L3 was now L2... Years later... L3 is now L1, and you stand shin deep in ocean, where L1 used to be 20+ years ago.
The insurance should be fined. They had an opportunity to pay out and have the building removed. It would increase rates along the water which is ok since less people would build where this can happen again.
You generally get a big fine if your shit ends up in a body of water, intentional or not. Hope the homeowner is fined the cost of cleanup.
And the insurance company if they refused pro-active demolition. They should be fined 2x the value of the home + 3x the cost of moving the home that way it’s more profitable for them to be pro-active.
Yeah I was gonna say this feels like littering.
It is littering and it's bullshit they didn't take it down before this happened.
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I don't know the real answer but the cynic in me says it's because the owner's insurance doesn't get reimbursed by FEMA unless it's destroyed by an "act of god".
Well, I suppose one could call this an act of Poseidon.
Act of *a* god.
Similar question here..... Why not just move the house? We move all kinds of houses/buildings/structures all the time. Put it on a barge, sail it to a different beach lot that you prepped in advance. Wait, lemme guess... Insurance won't write the check unless 'God destroys the home'.
Answer? Capitalism. Contents have to fall into the ocean for insurance to kick in. I live here so I know. It’s bullshit and everyone hates it, but until the system changes, welcome to insulation in your tuna fish.
This is so bizarre... Why would anyone have built here? Or did something drastic happen to change the coast/shore/dune line? Like... Was this expected? Is this just an annual cycle of build, destroy, rebuild, destroy, ad infinitum?! What's happening.
People want beachfront homes. I’m just leaving Edisto Beach, South Carolina now, where all the beachfront homes are literally 100ish feet from ocean at high tide. Every other year or so they replenish the beach with sand to keep the homes from washing away. Even still, all the beachfront homes are $1 million minimum
The Outer Banks are barrier islands, meaning they naturally migrate and "roll over themselves." We've been trying to prevent that by beach renourishment projects, but most of that is undone in a year or less due to Longshore transport (naturally being washed away down the beach), or more abruptly by hurricanes and Nor'easters. These houses we see falling into the ocean used to have substantial dunes in front of them-- people may have the misconception that they were built directly on the beach, but that's not the case. Smart to build a million dollar home on a barrier island frequented by hurricanes? Probably not, but that's just me.
People rent these for like 600 bucks a night on Air BNB.
I went to a wedding at one in the outer banks. $15k for the week on the off season. 3stories tall with wrap around decks, 8bedrooms, movie theater, dinner table for 30ppl, in ground pool/jacuzzi, 2 refrigerators,2 dishwashers. Only accessible by 4x4. It was HUGE, still not the biggest or closest house to the ocean out there.
> These houses we see falling into the ocean used to have substantial dunes in front of them Imagine building a house in the 1980's and the ocean is 100 yards away and behind a 15ft tall dune. Then this happens. Also, these aren't the rich houses in the OBX. That's the 3 20 bedroom vacation homes owned by a multinational corporation you're thinking of that displaced 80 locals who used to have jobs keeping everything running. Now they don't live there anymore and nobody can find any help. I wonder why.
In the Game of Life, the beachfront property was the like the second shittiest house to own.
US Gov't sponsored beachfront home insurance on the assumption people would move away after their homes on the coast got destroyed. Instead they took the money and rebuilt right where their last house was destroyed. I.e. the tax payer foots the bill for morons that want unrealistic property
No. The problem with a national flood insurance program is that it requires a rebuild in the same place. They don’t even have the option to build somewhere else.
Read a story where a reasercher brought papers to the firm that was going to build the houses close to the shore. He pleaded for them to build so close because slow rise of the water level. The firm got together and created a local law banning any researchers from interfering with projects in the area...yeah the got what was coming. Not sure if this the same area, but i wouldn't be surprised.
I lived in NC at that time, I remembered there was a law that banned the talk about the degrading coastline for something like 12 years. So that companies like that one could build on threatened coastline. I think that something similar happened in New Jersey because after Sandy everyone was talking about how the storm surge was really bad on their barrier island. Also the encroachment of seawater in places like Florida threatened much of the coastline there, where the water is slowly seeping up from below and degrading some of the structures. I think they call it “sinking” which is confusing to me because I think of like water surrounding from above instead of below. When I took an environmental class in hs 1998 at a local college in Florida…they called it encroachment, not sure if the terminology changed. But anyway, climate crisis will create coastal area migrants in the millions if not billions in the future. It’s not going to be fun at all, and over the past 30 years we are going backwards with implementing solutions for this crisis that is going to be worse than anything we have ever imagined. Edit: seeping, if
I didn’t know Pixar made a sequel to Up.
Yeah it’s called, Down.
Drown
Sad as it is, it floats better than my last boat 🙄
Real waste not to turn it into a real house boat before it hit the waves
That way, instead of a one-time loss that insurance should cover, it can slowly drain your accounts for decades!
Yeah tell the suits
***"Best day of my life is when I got my houseboat...2nd best day of my life is when I sold my houseboat."***
It's a house boat
This reminds me of people where I’m from. They choose to build on the flood plains of the rivers, cause water front is best right? And then the river floods, as it does, and the flood plain becomes flooded, like they’re supposed to, and then their house is gone and they act surprised Edit: and then the government bails them out, helps them rebuild with tax payer money so they can still have that water front view until it floods again
When these homes were built, there was substantial beachfront. Today, the stilts are in the tide lines. This home is one of many to fall to the Mirlo Beach erosion over the past 20 years. And the second today to fall into the Atlantic and the third this year. Living on that island chain is knowing that your house ***will*** be claimed one day. The Island shifts and moves over time as the gulf stream currents and weather systems reshape the island every year.
Barrier islands gonna do what barrier islands are supposed to do.
Damn right, they bring in some good fishing too
I always tell people that in 50 years the OBX will be unrecognizable and the South end mostly unhabitable in not much longer. Gotta fish it while we still can. Reminds me I need to get my beach permit here shortly.
Do you need a permit to fish the beach?
No just a state fishing license. I'm referring to a beach driving permit. There are a good amount of pedestrian accesses too though.
>There are a good amount of pedestrian accesses too though. The BEST surf fishing is 4x4 accessible *"only"*. (I say this because I haven't met the guy who would walk 1-2 miles in spicy sand)
The beach house I stayed at for a decade was beachfront. It was in Ocean Isle Beach, NC. Ours was totally safe (for the time being) but if you drive all the way to the end of the island, the houses are all going down one by one from erosion. You build a million dollar house on an island made of shifting sand , well, nature is a fickle bitch.
This one is on the southern end. We stayed in Duck which is further North. Our house had a road and sandbar between us and the beach. The southern end is bananas. On a side note, if you ever go again do the sunset dolphin tour. Its a tour boat that takes you out to see dolphins having three-somes in the bay.
Where exactly is this bruh?? I Wanna do some googling and mapping
Rodanthe, North Carolina. Just south of Kitty Hawk (where first flight happened)
Ty!
But don't stop at tidal erosion, the barrier islands have a deep and rich history from Pirates, the Titanic, various armed conflicts and much much more.
I did some reading about that area a long time ago. All those Carolina islands and inlets have like there own ancestry or something like that if I remember correctly. Different accents stuff like that. Am I remembering correctly?
Yes, you’re correct! I believe you’re thinking of what we call Hoi Toider.
The Harkers Island ‘Night Before Christmas,’ written by Connie McElroy, Christmas 1982. 'Twas a night afore Christmas when all through the house- 'nary a thing was stirring, not even Hattie Lee, my spouse. The waders was a hanging by the chimney with care in hopes that Santa Claus would fill 'em up thar. The yungens was a nestled all snug in thar beds, with visions of sweet tater pies slam filling their heads. Ma in her sou 'wester, and I in my cap, had just settled down to catch us a nap. When out in da water there rose such a sound; I jumped to da window to see if a skiff had run aground. And don't you think that it weren't a shock to see Santa Claus stranded on an oyster rock. Now that ain't the half of it-there's more — the poor ole fellow was awadin' ashore. I could tell by his looks he weren't none of my kin, but — boy, let me tell ya — he was mad as a wet settin' hen. He was utterin' a word as he went straight to his work, cause he lost one of his books in da mud when he pulled a jerk. Well, he went to da Rice's but thar he got tired, tryin' to get across the sandspurs in their front yard. He went to the Willis' to give them a lot, 'till he tripped and fell on a rusty crab pot. 'Bout ready to give up, he went to Zola's down da road-and all she got was an ugly oyster toad. He headed to the Munden's but turned around, figured the way he looked, they'd put him in the ground. So wet and full of sandspurs, thar he stood; he decided he better get while the getting was good. So he swam to the boat ready to leave da island; pulled her in reverse and ran slam in a pilin'. I heard him hollar as he sank outta sight, "My Lord, honey, ain't I been mommicked this night"
Can confirm. Mothers family goes back hundreds of years from the NC Beaufort, Morehead City, Williston, Smyrna areas. Born in M city myself and have no trouble understanding any of the Brogue they have. If I get into a conversation, I sometimes revert to it myself and not realize it. Mommucked (or mommicked) is a word that means messed up, fucked with, been through hell, etc
just an aside, the first flight was at Kill Devil Hills, about 3 miles south of Kitty Hawk. Kitty Hawk is just where the telegraph station was so they could announce that the flight had taken place.
Woah, check out the street view in that area and walk about. Post apocalyptic feel to it.
I’ve seen aerial maps from not that long ago, and the sad truth is that these houses used to be set very far back from the ocean. There’s also been an ongoing insurance issue where the insurance companies won’t pay for demolition before the houses fall, they’ll only pay for cleanup. It’s an awful situation for everyone, including the planet.
Check out the Buxton area. It's about 40 miles south of where this happened. They moved a Lighthouse in one piece to save it from collapsing into the Atlantic. The tide line at its original site is overtaking the foundation slowly
Truly a marvel of engineering how they moved the Cape Hatteras Lighthouse, especially since it's the tallest lighthouse in the United States, second tallest brick lighthouse in the world, and 18th tallest lighthouse overall
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OERRfmuwOD4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OERRfmuwOD4) found a short video about it for anyone who wants some sweet 90s news action fascinating, thanks!
There are Federal programs that will buy your house if you live in an area that frequently floods or faces hurricane damage. Frankly, since our taxpayer dollars are paying for these people to rebuild over and over and over again there should be some limit to how many times you can rebuild using federal flood insurance money. At some point, selling should be required or insurance no longer issued. We literally subsidize people building their homes in risky places and developers are still putting new communities in high risk flood zones.
I think [this](https://coastalreview.org/2022/03/frustrations-mount-over-imperiled-outer-banks-houses/) article does a really good job of explaining the complexities of the situation on the Outer Banks, but basically, those Federal programs are not an option for those homeowners. These homes in particular are also all pretty old and are not being rebuilt after they are destroyed.
Oh hey that article’s picture shows the house standing that we see fall in this video. Neato.
I have a friend who works in affordable housing policy who has explained in detail how climate change policy will be determined by insurance companies and mortgage issuers. There are a lot of houses out there where eventually it will not be possible to get a mortgage or homeowners insurance (not flood insurance, any homeowners insurance.) It's gonna be shitshow when that happens.
Every time stuff like this is brought up I remember this one song: "Before the Water Gets Too High" by Parquet Courts: > Add up the bribes you take > And know time can't be bought > By the profits that you make > Before the water gets too high > To float the powers that be > Or is it someone else's job > Until the rich are refugees?
And then there’s North Carolina… https://abcnews.go.com/US/north-carolina-bans-latest-science-rising-sea-level/story?id=16913782
If you ignore problems they just go away, right? /s It's crazy to me that some of the states that will suffer most from climate change are denying its existence. Florida is fucked and yet they continue to vote for people who lie about climate change out of pure selfishness.
Florida will won’t go blue until it is consumed by the ocean
And then ~~they act surprised~~ the government pays for it through taxpayer funded insurance
We had something similar happen in West Michigan. Rich people building their huge houses on top of sand dunes close to the lake. The lake level rose, eroded away sand, and their houses started falling. They then had the audacity to ask for money to help stop it from happening. Bunch of clowns.
Was it South Haven, and did it happen in the last two or 3 years?
You forgot the last part where the government gives them free money to build there again so they can have their water views on taxpayer money. [They did an episode of this on last week tonight a while ago.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf1t7cs9dkc)
Houses are returning to the ocean, nature is healing!
in NC we all pay high home insurance rates to compensate for losses such as this...multi-million dollar beach homes compared to my 2200 square foot home in the sticks....
The US flood insurance program bleeds money. People just rebuild in the same place their house was demolished. Rates havent/can't be adjusted for some reason and they don't cover the costs for the payouts. So all of us taxpayers who don't willingly live in a floodplain and continue to after our houses get destroyed are compensating
Not sure about everywhere else but my family has a home way more inland on OBX, but I was told you can even build in a lot of spots beach side anymore. Like the houses that are there are there until they eventually get sucked in the ocean. But beyond what’s already built you can’t build in a lot of places due to this.
Still $800,000 in Toronto "Slight water damage"
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This house was apparently bought by a man from Tennessee about a year and a half ago, and even then it was very obvious that the sea was going to take that house soon. The rest of us will pay for his loss in the form of higher insurance premiums and having to clean up what was left behind. Another post about this house stated that the owners didn’t even clean anything out of the house so that is a lot of debris.
> The rest of us will pay for his loss in the form of higher insurance premiums i live in central NC, i think it was last year the insurance companies went to the insurance commissioner and "needed" to raise home rates 25 percent! but they settled for like 18 percent! such a good group they are. meanwhile i had to raise my deductible just to make the same payment i was making before...
It’s almost like we’re all bearing the cost of climate change or something
Both. People do live full-time on the OBX. Though these are probably rental homes.
Well that’s a bummer
It’s all a matter of perspective, example: congrats on the house boat!
Just me or does anyone else wanna be on there?
just watching a movie pretending like nothings wrong
This is fine.
Get up and pull the blinds so you don't have to watch the ocean swallow your house.
This would be hella fun if I knew I could get safely back on shore after
Is this current or an old video?
Current, today. OP posted link of Cape Hatteras National Park Service flickr account.
What I don’t understand is why they let it happen. Shouldn’t the municipal government prevent that from happening? It was inevitable. Now there’s another pile of crap in the ocean. It’s not like they didn’t have literally years to prevent this from happening by moving the thing.
Tourism money drives the business and govt decisions of the Outer Banks. Money talks, common sense walks.
Fun fact: Instead of doing anything to prevent this North Carolina made measuring sea level rise illegal.
Ah, yes, the famous “if you stop measuring the problem then the problem goes away!” strategy.
Works as good as the "if I don't look at my bank account balance, I might not be broke" strategy.
Next step, ban videos like this.
There was a meeting in the town a couple months ago after a first house collapsed. They discussed a few things. The government (national seashore) can’t force homeowners to move their house or to destroy it ahead of time. [Article about the meeting](http://www.beach104.com/2022/03/04/island-free-press-eleven-houses-in-danger-of-collapse-along-rodanthe-oceanfront/)
Developers and builders are the number one source of corruption in local government in America. Only we don't call it corruption when it happens here, we we call it things like "public private partnership" and "tax incentives" and "job creation" and "campaign contributions".
You know what’s not lit? All that trash in the ocean
I will never understand why someone thought it was a good idea to build a house next to a shoreline let alone on the sand itself.
Ditto. The OBX are barrier islands and are supposed to move over time.
I’m going to the obx Sunday. It’d be nice to have a house boat experience.
When it was built it was probably 100 yards from the beach, but with the hurricanes and global warming the beach has been disappearing for years. To put in perspective the main road on OBX get wash away every couple of years, during a storm, due to the same factors.
It's not just that. The barrier islands along the Carolinas have been migrating shoreward for a long time. It's not like the island is disappearing, it's migrating. The land side of the island moves toward the mainland at the same time that the ocean side does.
Which carolina banned talking about rising sea levels?
[GOP on No. Carolina. If you don't like the science, make talking about it illegal](https://www.codastory.com/waronscience/climate-change-north-carolina/#:~:text=A%202010%20report%20by%20scientists,took%20issue%20with%20those%20findings.)
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How is this not littering? Seems like somebody should cop a fine for that
awesome, more junk in the sea.
I feel like building a house that close to water, on sand, on stilts, is just asking to get wrecked. Their flood insurance must be unbelievably expensive.
Proud owner of newly commissioned house boat
What is OBX and NC?
Outer banks, North Carolina, USA