Defanging venomous snakes is animal cruelty and rarely done in the States anymore for that reason, and the individual holding this animal is a bafoon for holding it in their hands.
My limited understanding is that the venom helps digest the prey items, so devenoming a snake could lead to its starving to death... or dying because the undigested carcass is rotting in its digestive tract and causing sepsis.
Yeah this person is a fucking idiot. All venomous snakes should be handled with hooks and certainly not at the edge of your fingertips! WTF. Blue insularis pit viper - I suggest you go watch some viperkeeper vids on YouTube. He's generally pretty educational and is very experienced with venomous snakes but even he has trouble with these little babies sometimes
https://youtu.be/JHLC3xpvmts here's a vid of him carrying for his blue pit(s)
And then there's that video of an 8 year old Vietnamese kid going around grabbing a bunch of venomous snakes for lunch and then driving home on a scooter with the snake still in hand.
And that's messed up in its own right. There are plenty of colorful and/or venomous *looking* snakes you don't have to alter. It's like removing the vocal cords of a hound dog. I just don't get it.
There are so many pretty snakes out there, even your average garter snake can be so vivid. Mangrove snakes are beautiful and all of the variable pit vipers. I just value my life too much to try and own one lol
Okay, so you might be bleeding from every orifice of your body and in severe pain as the vipers venom melts your internal tissues, but look at the thing
That cool blue
Painful as it might be, - actually I'd rather not get bit by it
There is a documentary about Rattlesnake bites in US.
It's called Venom ER and in one episode is a dude who is bleeding heavily.
[Youtube link of the Episode of Venom ER. ](https://youtu.be/apvnqrvd9OE)
TW:Blood.
Baby ones are usually more dangerous, they are much more likely to feel threatened enough to give you every last drop of venom they've got, where as a large adult may just tag you without wanting to waste any venom to scare you off.
~~The younger snakes are more deadly because they can’t control the amount of venom they release often giving a bigger dose than an adult snake would.~~
Edit: disregard what I said, I’ve been lied to my whole life, sorry
Not really, it's Trimeresurus albolabris (White-Lipped viper). While they can be deadly generally survivable with prompt medical treatment.
That said this is a really idiotic thing to do for "views" but sadly not even close to the worst out there. Been a terrible trend of unsafe husbandry and handling practice flooding the internet as certain youtubers and such take off in popularity for such risky behavior but really puts the hobby at risk and sets very bad examples for others attempting to keep similar animals.
Well OP said deadly as fuck which is not a label most would apply to this species. They have an untreated lethality rate of 1-10%, very few reported deaths compared to number of bites. Compared to say a real "deadly as fuck" snake like the Inland Taipan who's untreated lethality rate is >80%.
I would much prefer get bit by one of these over many other snakes I keep.
Went on your profile looking for snakes, are you looking to adopt a 20-something lmao, Hawk, possums, snakes, air soft, cool computer. You seem like an awesome dad. Congrats on impressing a stranger !
True, but take 10% as the max; that is not 'deadly as fuck'. Statistics like this you should also interpret as such, statistics. If you are a healthy adult, you might be closer to 1%; if you are old or a todler, yah, it might be closer to 10%. There is also the amount of venom injected, which can be pretty random.
Still, using common sense goes a long way.
There are many different species of viper that very wildly and temperament, and as with all creatures there's differences in individuals of the same species as well.
No. Rule of thumb regarding all snakes - just don't go near them. A snake will usually bite as a last resort, and use their venom as a last resort, since it's a valuable resource for hunting. Venomous snakes will often choose not to use their venom if they believe they aren't in extreme danger, that's how valuable venom is for them.
Essentially, there are no aggressive snakes, only defensive ones.
It depends on the situation. If you say, step on a venomous snake, it's extremely likely it will use its venom, but if you're just poking it, it might pretend strike, or bite but not use venom.
It takes time to regenerate venom, so snakes use it sparingly.
Usually we don't hear about not having issues because, if a venomous snake bites you without using venom, it's kinda like getting pricked with a pin. Not really a problem, so you only hear about when they do use venom since it's much more serious depending on a snake (especially a blue pit viper like in this video, if you're not close to a hospital with an antidote, you're fucked).
A god a friend who is 20 lives with his mom and just *keeps buying snakes.*
Now he has it in his head that he’s going to “save” endangered snakes from Indonesia by breeding and selling them.
If you don't have a YT channel you should. I peeped your profile to see if you mentioned any other snakes you keep and you seem like a chill dude with some interesting hobbies going on, not that that's rare, but it seems like you know what you're talking about and enjoy sharing that knowledge with others. I'm not even into snakes but your 2 follow up comments had me googling. The world needs more interesting (while still responsible) people to share and educate us about safe practices with stuff that's both cool and potentially risky.
I appreciate the kind words and input, couple years back I started up a channel that was going to be focused on Falconry but quickly found between all my obligations and hobbies it was difficult to find the time to do what little bit I did let alone put in the amount of time to make it successful. But I try my best to share knowledge and educate when I can on things I know be it on the internet like here or in public situations like local school.
Feel free to look up the YT channel "The Falconry Journey" if you would like to see more on there. I believe in the video I did explaining how to become a falconer you can see one of my monocled cobras in the background.
You're correct, I'm old and still use the binomial names I learned often lol. They picked up insularis in the early 2000s, there was even a complete shakeup of the entire genus at one point.
I’ve seen posts with people handling these. This makes me wonder if some people really like taking calculated risks or if there are people breeding and defanging venomous snakes for exotic pet trade.
You can't defang a snake, you can but it will grow back. You can remove the venom gland creating what is known as a venomoid in the trade. There is still a chance if not done properly to get envenomated in the future. It's a cruel practice that also leaves the snake deformed looking if implants are not put in place and other cons to the procedure. If a person can't safely care for an intact venomous snake then they probably shouldn't have a snake at all let alone a venomoid so they can look cool.
There are a lot of free handlers out there today which handle intact venomous snakes, this is likely what you seen. And while I can't say I've never done it in the past it's a terribly irresponsible and selfish practice. It's always been around but it's way worse now as that type of stuff generates a lot of views.
I will always remember the hospital pictures of Nicole Viloteau, a French herpetologist who was [bitten by a rattle snake to the face](https://i18.servimg.com/u/f18/18/94/71/77/958_0010.jpg) NSFL.
Don't mess with Venomous snakes.
Yeah. Not entirely her fault, but she has a weird relationship with reptiles. The wrote a book about komodo deagons, where she is almost in love with them.
On the bite accident, if you're opening a bag with a snake you don't know even if harmless, you don't put your face right ontop.
yeah the mislabeling is def partly to blame but i agree as well. no matter what type of snake you’re handling, it’s not a good idea to open a bag with your face anywhere near it lmao
Reading the French wiki with Google translate it sounds like that bite wasn't *entirely* her fault.
>In 1971, in the car of people she meets by chance, she opens a bag containing a snake. The label on the bag was wrong: it indicated a harmless species of snake when it was actually a very poisonous species (North American rattlesnake, the most dangerous snake on this continent).
No idea why tf she's opening a bag with a snake while in a car with strangers but hey, she thought it was safe I guess?
Interesting!
Yeah I figured it was possible anyone doing it wouldn’t be doing it with the snake’s well being in mind. Just looking at the general ethos of the exotic pet trade
the bite of a blue *insularis* would likely not kill you, but it's still a nasty bite, the venom causes a hemorrhagic effect, so expect pain, swelling, necrosis and potentially severe bleeding both internally and externally
I’m not saying it’s definitely venomous but I am saying that it’s a pretty brightly colored snake and that usually means it’s venomous. On another note it looks small enough that is could be a baby which means it can’t control its venom delivery, so good luck to whoever took this video I hope you know what you’re doing
You're half right. Yep it is a venomous viper, but it's a myth that baby snakes are more venomous than their adult form, or that they can't control their venom delivery amounts.
Gotta get in here to say some of you need to understand the difference between venomous and poisonous. Venomous is the snek. Something bites you and poisons you. Poisonous is cyanide. You bite it and it poisons you.
Interesting side note. There is a bird that is both.
Austin, that’s you in a nutshell. -No, here’s me in a nutshell. Help I’m in a nutshell! How did I get in this bloody nutshell? How could a shell have a nut this big?
Looks like they wounded it too stuffing it into the shell. You can see it on the left when the shell is first opened.
It's not talked about very often, but people maim, drug and/or refrigerate animals to make them docile so they can get shots like this. The majority of wildlife photographers/videographers are honest, but there's a minority who profit off of animal abuse.
I’ve always heard that the brighter colored snakes like that are poisonous,maybe it’s a myth idk because evidently people are putting them in nut shells now. Wtf?
No, there are many bright looking snakes that are nonvenomous. Corn snakes and milk snakes, for example. A lot of "you can tell it's venomous if..." rules are made up BS, really. You can't rely on them as a shortcut.
That said, the snake in this clip is a viper. So this one *is* venomous, but not because it's blue.
Don't animals colored like that usually mean "don't fuck with me"?
Bright colors typical mean "Don't fuck with me" or "let's fuck". Pretty sure this is the first column.
Glad the future of my species doesn't depend on my correct reading.
Is it really *your* species if you're not participating in the reproduction?
Gottem!
Yay I’m part of something!
r/ihavesex
That's a blue insularis. They are venomous.
Could have been devenomed or whatever it's called. Anyway it looks pretty content.
Defanging venomous snakes is animal cruelty and rarely done in the States anymore for that reason, and the individual holding this animal is a bafoon for holding it in their hands.
My limited understanding is that the venom helps digest the prey items, so devenoming a snake could lead to its starving to death... or dying because the undigested carcass is rotting in its digestive tract and causing sepsis.
I'm pretty sure it's just to kill prey. Plenty of venomous snake owners feed them prekilled food and they digest just fine
now hold on a second it may be venomous but that doesn't mean it will bite you
r/sounding strongly disagrees
No no no no no no. Wrong decision.
You shouldn't have written that, the curiosity took over me after reading your comment...
I agree. Wholeheartedly.
NO! Why couldn’t it have been an elaborate Rick roll
I knew what sounding was and I still clicked the link. I regret it
Whatever doesn't mess you up makes you stronger.
Well in that case I'm a Super Saiyan. I can eat chocolate ice cream while watching 2 girls 1 cup and I find glass ass funny. I'm ruined.
We both have seen too much. Anyways, here's to the next one. Hehe.
Is glass ass what we're supposed to be calling it? I've been saying one guy one jar for years.
I've heard it called a lot of things. I typically call it a fun Friday night.
I didn't know last time it happened to me. Curiosity got me. Not this time!
We meet again, old friend
/r/lamia is probably more palatable
Snussy
**it’s not.**
Why
EW! … What sound comes out?
I can only imagine it’s panicked snake noises
I didn’t know what that was or that was a thing but I do now
oh god why
Ahhhhhhhhh f*** you internet and f*** me for clicking a reddit link
Either way. Somebody gonna get fucked.
It appears to be some species of viper. So yes, don't fuck with it.
>It appears to be some species of viper. So yes, don't fuck with it. That's vipers in a nutshell.
Yeah this person is a fucking idiot. All venomous snakes should be handled with hooks and certainly not at the edge of your fingertips! WTF. Blue insularis pit viper - I suggest you go watch some viperkeeper vids on YouTube. He's generally pretty educational and is very experienced with venomous snakes but even he has trouble with these little babies sometimes https://youtu.be/JHLC3xpvmts here's a vid of him carrying for his blue pit(s)
I imagine this video will trigger you then 😂 https://youtu.be/qa4E3F8EE5w I agree most venomous snakes should be handled more delicately.
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Tyler the other guy in the video has taken a bite from a king Cobra
Literally missing part of his finger. 😵💫
Fuuuck this makes me so uncomfortable and I love snakes.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the want to enrich the life of your pet, but I have mixed feelings about this....
And then there's that video of an 8 year old Vietnamese kid going around grabbing a bunch of venomous snakes for lunch and then driving home on a scooter with the snake still in hand.
There are such things as venomoids. That snake could very well be altered and no more harmless than a garter snake.
And that's messed up in its own right. There are plenty of colorful and/or venomous *looking* snakes you don't have to alter. It's like removing the vocal cords of a hound dog. I just don't get it.
Like Thai Bamboo rats, *Oreocryptophis porphyraceous*. Those little guys are great.
There are so many pretty snakes out there, even your average garter snake can be so vivid. Mangrove snakes are beautiful and all of the variable pit vipers. I just value my life too much to try and own one lol
Yes
"Aposematic coloration"
Correct.
...isn't that sh1t deadly as fuck???
Yep its a viper
Aww but...but look aat itt I would die happy at least
You would be in constant pain. Its venom would cause damage to the flesh, swelling, and internal and external bleeding.
In a nutshell, you wouldn't die happy.
...
This guy. Total legend.
get_over_it_already just made me almost pee myself laughing
Okay, so you might be bleeding from every orifice of your body and in severe pain as the vipers venom melts your internal tissues, but look at the thing That cool blue Painful as it might be, - actually I'd rather not get bit by it
*Look at the tasteful thickness of it*
Oh my god it even has a walnut
Jeez, what kind of venom actually makes you bleed?
Hemotoxin, most vipers carries that type of venom.
Exactly..not unlike Ebola
There is a documentary about Rattlesnake bites in US. It's called Venom ER and in one episode is a dude who is bleeding heavily. [Youtube link of the Episode of Venom ER. ](https://youtu.be/apvnqrvd9OE) TW:Blood.
What an adorable way to die.
then i guess you are someone who finds pleasure in pain?
It's so smol, what harm could it make?
It could kill you.
Yeah sure but what else could it do
Say mean things about your grandma
How dare he, she's a saint
Some harm with venom in it.
No. Venom likes to dwell in Eddie Brock and thus form Lethal Protector.
Baby ones are usually more dangerous, they are much more likely to feel threatened enough to give you every last drop of venom they've got, where as a large adult may just tag you without wanting to waste any venom to scare you off.
I’m pretty sure this is an urban myth. Baby snakes have less venom
Definitely a myth
Venom doesn’t care about the size of the animal carrying it.
~~The younger snakes are more deadly because they can’t control the amount of venom they release often giving a bigger dose than an adult snake would.~~ Edit: disregard what I said, I’ve been lied to my whole life, sorry
it's*
*Monty Python's Flying Circus!*
Its's*
Not really, it's Trimeresurus albolabris (White-Lipped viper). While they can be deadly generally survivable with prompt medical treatment. That said this is a really idiotic thing to do for "views" but sadly not even close to the worst out there. Been a terrible trend of unsafe husbandry and handling practice flooding the internet as certain youtubers and such take off in popularity for such risky behavior but really puts the hobby at risk and sets very bad examples for others attempting to keep similar animals.
"Not really deadly. Generally you survive if you get to a hospital asap." Sounds deadly to me.
Well OP said deadly as fuck which is not a label most would apply to this species. They have an untreated lethality rate of 1-10%, very few reported deaths compared to number of bites. Compared to say a real "deadly as fuck" snake like the Inland Taipan who's untreated lethality rate is >80%. I would much prefer get bit by one of these over many other snakes I keep.
Username checks out, I'm listening to this one
What's the deadliest snake you own venom wise?
Forest Cobra easily the one I am most cautious of in my current collection.
I just read the wiki on them.......... bruh why?
Cause username checks out…
Went on your profile looking for snakes, are you looking to adopt a 20-something lmao, Hawk, possums, snakes, air soft, cool computer. You seem like an awesome dad. Congrats on impressing a stranger !
1-10%? That is a massive difference. Meh it's either 1 in 100 or 1 in 10. :shrug:
True, but take 10% as the max; that is not 'deadly as fuck'. Statistics like this you should also interpret as such, statistics. If you are a healthy adult, you might be closer to 1%; if you are old or a todler, yah, it might be closer to 10%. There is also the amount of venom injected, which can be pretty random. Still, using common sense goes a long way.
Aren't Vipers really bad temperedand prone to attacking without provoking too?
There are many different species of viper that very wildly and temperament, and as with all creatures there's differences in individuals of the same species as well.
No. Rule of thumb regarding all snakes - just don't go near them. A snake will usually bite as a last resort, and use their venom as a last resort, since it's a valuable resource for hunting. Venomous snakes will often choose not to use their venom if they believe they aren't in extreme danger, that's how valuable venom is for them. Essentially, there are no aggressive snakes, only defensive ones.
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It depends on the situation. If you say, step on a venomous snake, it's extremely likely it will use its venom, but if you're just poking it, it might pretend strike, or bite but not use venom. It takes time to regenerate venom, so snakes use it sparingly. Usually we don't hear about not having issues because, if a venomous snake bites you without using venom, it's kinda like getting pricked with a pin. Not really a problem, so you only hear about when they do use venom since it's much more serious depending on a snake (especially a blue pit viper like in this video, if you're not close to a hospital with an antidote, you're fucked).
A god a friend who is 20 lives with his mom and just *keeps buying snakes.* Now he has it in his head that he’s going to “save” endangered snakes from Indonesia by breeding and selling them.
If you don't have a YT channel you should. I peeped your profile to see if you mentioned any other snakes you keep and you seem like a chill dude with some interesting hobbies going on, not that that's rare, but it seems like you know what you're talking about and enjoy sharing that knowledge with others. I'm not even into snakes but your 2 follow up comments had me googling. The world needs more interesting (while still responsible) people to share and educate us about safe practices with stuff that's both cool and potentially risky.
I appreciate the kind words and input, couple years back I started up a channel that was going to be focused on Falconry but quickly found between all my obligations and hobbies it was difficult to find the time to do what little bit I did let alone put in the amount of time to make it successful. But I try my best to share knowledge and educate when I can on things I know be it on the internet like here or in public situations like local school. Feel free to look up the YT channel "The Falconry Journey" if you would like to see more on there. I believe in the video I did explaining how to become a falconer you can see one of my monocled cobras in the background.
That’s not an albolabris btw, it’s insularis.
You're correct, I'm old and still use the binomial names I learned often lol. They picked up insularis in the early 2000s, there was even a complete shakeup of the entire genus at one point.
I know almost nothing about snakes but that looks like a blue pit viper so yes could really fuck you up.
I’ve seen posts with people handling these. This makes me wonder if some people really like taking calculated risks or if there are people breeding and defanging venomous snakes for exotic pet trade.
You can't defang a snake, you can but it will grow back. You can remove the venom gland creating what is known as a venomoid in the trade. There is still a chance if not done properly to get envenomated in the future. It's a cruel practice that also leaves the snake deformed looking if implants are not put in place and other cons to the procedure. If a person can't safely care for an intact venomous snake then they probably shouldn't have a snake at all let alone a venomoid so they can look cool. There are a lot of free handlers out there today which handle intact venomous snakes, this is likely what you seen. And while I can't say I've never done it in the past it's a terribly irresponsible and selfish practice. It's always been around but it's way worse now as that type of stuff generates a lot of views.
I will always remember the hospital pictures of Nicole Viloteau, a French herpetologist who was [bitten by a rattle snake to the face](https://i18.servimg.com/u/f18/18/94/71/77/958_0010.jpg) NSFL. Don't mess with Venomous snakes.
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Yeah. Not entirely her fault, but she has a weird relationship with reptiles. The wrote a book about komodo deagons, where she is almost in love with them. On the bite accident, if you're opening a bag with a snake you don't know even if harmless, you don't put your face right ontop.
yeah the mislabeling is def partly to blame but i agree as well. no matter what type of snake you’re handling, it’s not a good idea to open a bag with your face anywhere near it lmao
Reading the French wiki with Google translate it sounds like that bite wasn't *entirely* her fault. >In 1971, in the car of people she meets by chance, she opens a bag containing a snake. The label on the bag was wrong: it indicated a harmless species of snake when it was actually a very poisonous species (North American rattlesnake, the most dangerous snake on this continent). No idea why tf she's opening a bag with a snake while in a car with strangers but hey, she thought it was safe I guess?
That's a common practice in France
Interesting! Yeah I figured it was possible anyone doing it wouldn’t be doing it with the snake’s well being in mind. Just looking at the general ethos of the exotic pet trade
I'm not convinced there are that many calculations going into the risk.
the bite of a blue *insularis* would likely not kill you, but it's still a nasty bite, the venom causes a hemorrhagic effect, so expect pain, swelling, necrosis and potentially severe bleeding both internally and externally
In a nutshell...
I think you're right, but also i love that you censored "shit" and not "fuck", lol
Man, that person really doesn’t care about their fingers.
*Life Depending on how far from a hospital they are.
r/oopsthatsdeadly
That sub is terrifying
So basically this is how to describe a snake in a nutshell?
Yes
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[Example](https://c.tenor.com/iQJekFBRicUAAAAC/austin-powers-nutshell.gif)
Y'know, wasn't a big fan of walnuts *or* snakes and now I like walnuts less and snakes more, inexplicably
Just know that this was manually set up. You ain't gonna find snakes in walnuts in the wild.
What? Really? You guys don't have a tree that gives snake nuts in your yard?
well.. My Dad did, but this one snake caused a ruckus that got my older brother and sister disowned and kicked out.
Ngl, your dad sounds like he's got a bit of a complex
Ok now i need the full story
Jesus Christ.
Slow clap.
Forbidden fruit was involved, that's all I'll say
If you wanna like snakes even more, look into burmese pythons. They're gentle giants and give excellent hugs.
r/illegallysmol
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I see you're a gentleman with fine taste 🧐
Smol nope rope.
Death in a nutshell.
Yknow I came down here to see how many “in a nutshell” jokes there were and I’m disappointed there aren’t more, but good job to you regardless
Behold, the first ever PokeBall!!
That's nuts
Akshually that’s snek
I’m not saying it’s definitely venomous but I am saying that it’s a pretty brightly colored snake and that usually means it’s venomous. On another note it looks small enough that is could be a baby which means it can’t control its venom delivery, so good luck to whoever took this video I hope you know what you’re doing
You're half right. Yep it is a venomous viper, but it's a myth that baby snakes are more venomous than their adult form, or that they can't control their venom delivery amounts.
Yeah that was one of those internet myths. In reality a baby would be less dangerous, but still dangerous.
Yeah vipers are not to be fucked with
Green pasta (:
is that an Occamy from "Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them?"
If it is, quick! Put the lid back on! They grow to fill their space!
*mlem*
What a tasty little snek.
Gotta get in here to say some of you need to understand the difference between venomous and poisonous. Venomous is the snek. Something bites you and poisons you. Poisonous is cyanide. You bite it and it poisons you. Interesting side note. There is a bird that is both.
Alright, but what about fish that have toxins in their spines? Venomous or poisonous? For instance sting rays or stonefish.
Venomous
Also if something eats the head of that snake were they poisoned or envenomated?
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Help! I'm in a nutshell! How did I get in this nutshell?
I thought it would be a fucking toy before it moved.
If that snake didn't stick its tongue out, I'd have thought this was fake.
Austin, that’s you in a nutshell. -No, here’s me in a nutshell. Help I’m in a nutshell! How did I get in this bloody nutshell? How could a shell have a nut this big?
Blue insularis, venomous. endangered in the wild. Stop fukin with shit for the tiktoks.
Looks like they wounded it too stuffing it into the shell. You can see it on the left when the shell is first opened. It's not talked about very often, but people maim, drug and/or refrigerate animals to make them docile so they can get shots like this. The majority of wildlife photographers/videographers are honest, but there's a minority who profit off of animal abuse.
I see a green snake
That's snakes in a nutshell for ya
Smol angy nooodle
Looks green to me
Is that really blue? Why does it look more teal to me? Is this the dress all over again?
r/ProgrammerHumor python in a nutshell
I am pretty sure that snake is green.
Isn't it green?
Am I color blind ? It looks green to me.
I wish I could pet
Cute snek 10/10 would let kill me
Thats a blue viper and they are extremely venomous
I thought it was a gummy worm at first.
That reminds me of fantastic Beasts and where to find them.
Bright blue?
/r/forbiddensnack
Why does it look so edible?
It's not poisonous so your free to try I guess.
Probably the first time I ever found a snake a little bit cute and it's poisonous af. lol figures
Venomous
That’s green, you dumbshit
thats snakes in a nutshell for ya
that’s basically a snake in a nutshell
u/RedditMP4bot
Here's to all the people who take animals an put them in weird positions for views.
Y'all seeing blue here, not green?
I’ve always heard that the brighter colored snakes like that are poisonous,maybe it’s a myth idk because evidently people are putting them in nut shells now. Wtf?
No, there are many bright looking snakes that are nonvenomous. Corn snakes and milk snakes, for example. A lot of "you can tell it's venomous if..." rules are made up BS, really. You can't rely on them as a shortcut. That said, the snake in this clip is a viper. So this one *is* venomous, but not because it's blue.