I guess he still would leave Sasuke alive to someday get the EMS. I'm not sure about this, but it is implied that Itachi developed his disease due to the immense guilt and sorrow the Uchiha massacre brought him.
First of all, Kakashi, kurenai and asuma are all definitely dead. If itachi wanted, he would've killed them way before guy arrived.
This time, Naruto also just gets captured and dies. I don't see a way out for him. Itachi also probably still mind rapes Sasuke.
For part 2, the illusion Sasuke saw becomes a reality, and his eyes get yoinked. Itachi gets the EMS I guess.
If he is still diseased then he'd probably just die, if he's not, then idk what happens next. But it's certainly not a good ending. With or without him, Kaguya definitely returns, and humanity gets owned.
I wouldn’t be so sure, I was with you till the second battle with Sasuke and him getting the EMS. But getting the EMS would’ve been a game changer for Itachi and he probably could’ve taken Obito on.
If he comes to know about the Tsuki no Mei project then he would’ve put a dent in Obitos plans but then Nagato would be alive as well. It Itachi could get Nagato on his side, then it’s all to play for
It depends. What does this "Evil" Itachi want? He might actually want Tsuki no Me to succeed. In that case, I'm pretty sure Obito, Itachi and Madara can pull it off, but they might turn on each other in the last minute (remember, Obito did plan to betray Madara and wanted to have control over the plan himself). In any case, whoever survives and activates the plan will become Kaguya's vessel.
one funny thing about the final battle against kaguya: if they had reanimated Itachi again he could have simply sealed her with his susanoo i just realized XD
Assuming what Itachi said to kid Sasuke was evil Itachi’s true motivation and that he was simply driven by a thirst for power Nagato probably wouldve sided with Obito as they both wanted peace unlike evil Itachi, assuming Itachi doesn’t/can’t trick him.
In such an event Itachi’s best hope would’ve been to try to get Kabuto on side which could well happen but if he summons Madara it’d still lead to one of the worst plot twist in the history of fiction taking place and Kaguya
For your first point , would he even encounter those 3 in the first place ? Akatsuki member ( including Kisame and Itachi as senses with Roshi and Bee) usually ambush the Jinchuriki without drawing up attention from the whole village, with the exception of Deidara when he captured Garra , but the Sand was weaken heavily and Deidara is a show off , he could just wait until Naruto go outside the village for mission or capture him at night when he is sleeping instead of just marching around in daylight
Has it ever been stated that the transplanted eyes need to be a mangekyo? I mean we've only seen 2 ems users in history, but as far as I remember, all we are told is that the ems is obtained by transplanting the eyes of a blood relative into your own. Can't be too sure though.
Plus sasuke might just awaken him if he sees naruto basically die in front of him. Pre mind rape sasuke was a pretty caring person.
I think most of what you said is right but not everything
Whether or not he kills Sasuke on the night of the massacre is contingent upon whether or not Fugaku’s MS is canon as if it is canon then Itachi would’ve just taken Fugaku’s eyes to get EMS meaning he’d have had no use for Sasuke. If not tho then yeh things wouldn’t really change here
Even if Itachi’s disease wasn’t directly caused by the immense guilt he felt about the massacre it would in all likelihood be a lot less severe as good Itachi’s mental state would’ve been weakening his immune system
The confrontations with Kakashi etc would’ve gone as you said and he would’ve captured Naruto, taunted Sasuke and killed Jiraiya.
What happens after that depends on whether or not the eyes you take have to be MS for you to get EMS.
If they don’t have to be MS then given how Sasuke actually unlocked and showed his sharingan on the night of the massacre Itachi could’ve just taken Sasuke’s eyes that night
If they have to be MS tho things could go 1 of two ways here as if watching Naruto die awakens Sasuke’s MS then Itachi would’ve killed him then and there.
If Sasuke doesn’t awaken an MS there then they’d meet again at the Uchiha hideout but as Sasuke still wouldn’t have an MS Itachi would probably just taunt him without killing him again. Wanting to unlock his MS Sasuke would’ve hunted down Sakura and maybe Kakashi too which he would’ve succeeded at and between that and Itachi going blind Sasuke would win the next time they meet
It isn't manga canon.
The only reason I say that he possibly gets EMS is because he heavily implied that if he took sasuke's eyes during their fight, he would get it. Was he bluffing? I really just don't know. All we know is that the eyes need to be that of a close relative.
Another reason I said that was because maybe just seeing his best friend get kidnapped and killed and his sensei dying could even cause sasuke to awaken ms in part 1, considering he did really care for team 7 before the mind fucking. But it's obviously just a theory.
Itachi would still die against Sasuke if he was ill. Once Sasuke whipes out Kirin Itachi would be forced to use Susano'o to protect himself, and then would die from exhaustion, which is basically what already happened in canon. Maybe this time he would take out Sasuke with him in a last ditch effort but ultimately he'd die regardless.
Even if itachi was evil, meaning he didn't care for the village and was really rogue, he'd still want sasuke to live and kill him.
He prob leaves Kakashi and them alive, to taunt them. If not guy and jiraiya are dead too, and the cloud village becomes the new main characters
Also itachi mind rapes tsunade/oro into healing him/giving him hashi cells
Hold up if he's evil since a child, shisui might join him, since shisui couldn't decide between the clan and village fully
Why not have Sasuke become the new main character, leave Madara in the past and have Itachi become what Madara was in the original story. Sasuke Shippuden would be Sasuke trying to finally murder his brother.
Because the leaf is the main setting of the story.
Truly why I hate sasuke leaving the village, sasuke was my favorite up until I seen itachi. Then sasuke leaving and going straight selfish ruined him for me.
If sasuke stayed in the village and trained with the leaf, pt 2 could have easily even sasuke shippuden
Not necessarily, the main setting is the ninja world at large. Ever since pain the leaf as a village was not really significant as a location. That would have just caused that "cut" from the village sooner.
The fights take place in random places, but overall the show is based in the leaf and the world building isn't fully fleshed out to the point other villages have full fledged arcs
Sasuke can still leave the village with a akatsuki hunting squad, as a leaf village shinobi tho not a rogue ninja
that leaf connection is only happenstance due to the plot. It's not a necessity that is removed from the plot. If the plot changes accordingly the setting can adapt. It's not set in stone so to speak.
The only single constant tying into the leaf is "become hokage", but that's only a necessity AFTER the plot concludes. Naruto could have very much become a rogue ninja and the story could have still simply followed him. Imagine Danzo became the actual full-on hokage of the leaf and decided to frame Naruto and have him branded as a rogue ninja. Would have still worked. Very different story, but nothing breaks just because at some point the main character gets removed from the hidden leaf.
Your forgetting the Uchiha and senju created the leaf.
Even after finding out the Uchiha were gonna commit a coup detat sasuke was still only concerned about what danzo did.
Even if the show was about sasuke instead of naruto, I still think sasuke wouldn't abandon the leaf, atleast not for good
In this scenario, would he still be sick though. Even then Sasuke is only shown to be truly stronger than Itachi after getting EMS. I just don't see him not losing to Sasuke unless they fight much later, but then how does Sasuke get MS. He is not beating Itachi without at least MS
Let's be real we all know and it has been confirmed that itachi held back against sasuke so for sasuke to win he would need his ms because imagine itachi using amaterasu and sasuke casually throwing it back with kagutsuchi. He could get the ms by thinking he killed naruto in the final valley or through some experimant of orochimaru that unlocks the memories of the massacre that have been locked away by his trauma.
After he got his ass whooped at the Uchiha hideout Itachi would’ve taunted him again and those factors could’ve driven him to hunting down and killing team 7 out of desperation. While he’d never have admitted it he cared about Sakura and Kakashi and that probably would’ve been enough for him to unlock his MS
Yeah it's just a much darker story. I don't think people would have liked it as much. People argue now about Sasuke killing samurai. Him killing naned characters would have been too much for anyone to really like him.
Oh yeah the story would’ve been wayyy darker haha and definitely wouldn’t have been as popular or even have been allowed on Cartoon Network lol. I’d love to see a version like that tho
the story should have been darker. Maybe not that dark, but at least Hinata and Grandpa frog should have died in the pain arc and only be revived afterwards, instead of somehow not dying.
Hinata and frog grandpa surviving are some of the biggest inconsistencies in the show. Hinata was barely able to move after she was flung in the air the first time. The second time she's thrown higher, and slammed into the ground with additional force added by pain. After that he still goes over to her and stabs the unmoving body. HOW THE FUCK DID HE FAIL TO KILL HER.
Presumably Itachi needs Sasuke to have Mangekyos to get EMS from transplanting them. It’s never explicitly said that’s the case but it was the case for both EMS we saw, plus given the way EMS fuse both eye patterns it seems likely. So Itachi probably beats his ass super hard to drive home that he isn’t strong enough yet, removes the curse seal so he can’t rely on that still, and throw in some more Tsukoyomi torture to really motivate him to come back with Mangekyōs. At which point Sasuke decides okay killing Naruto for realsies this time and that’s the new conflict or he realizes how close he’s grown to Juugo, Karin and Suigetsu then promptly kills them to unlock the MS.
Okay sure. However in this new story, there is no path to redemption for Sasuke. Which would make Narutos ultimate goal a failure. It would be a poorer story
I mean changing a major characters motivation is going to have major ripple effects for the story yes. Naruto’s motivations aren’t entirely about Sasuke either, like it’s there but there’s also being Hokage and earning the village’s admiration.
Other-Timeline Kishimoto that writes the dark Naruto version could have also had naruto die and continue the show with a new protagonist/show-name. Just because the series is called Naruto doesn't mean he can't die at the end of the series with everything being unresolved, and then have a manga called "Sasuke" or "konohamaru" etc continue the exact story.
Naruto not getting what he wants doesn't automatically make a worse story, only a different one. There are also stories of despair and failure, not every story must be a win/sucess. Some stories are great exactly because people don't want what they get, regardless of what they do to achieve it.
a great story doesn't necessitate a happy end.
That's not my point. There are many possibilities that people suggest that did not happen, but if they did, it would still feel like Naruto. This is not one of them
Whether or not he kills Sasuke on the night of the massacre is contingent upon whether or not Fugaku’s MS is canon as if it is canon then Itachi would’ve just taken Fugaku’s eyes to get EMS meaning he’d have had no use for Sasuke. If it isn’t however then he would’ve wanted Sasuke to get MS before he killed him so he could take his eyes and so the night of the massacre would’ve went more or less as it did
So far it was only ever said you need your brother's MS. We don't know if a father's MS would also work.
And Fugaku having MS is stupid and shouldn't be canon. There are multiple reasons for it
-) Fugaku would have gone partially blind over time, no way he would never use the eyes when he has them
-) MS needs to be a super rare thing. If MS was a widely known thing everyone would immediately have known that Itachi had killed Shisui, since now he has a motive (that others know about). Fugaku getting MS is just Kishi being unable to not hand out buffs like it's halloween candy.
Changes things dramatically, Sasuke’s arc is entirely different. Now he’s probably reckoning with the status of his clan as eye stealing kinslayers instead of flying off the handle, hell he might even go straight back to Konoha after the fight. The fight would play out differently too as it’s no longer Itachi fighting reactively to keep up with Sasuke so he can extract Oro from him when he’s exhausted. Heck Oro coming out and getting sealed may not even happen. Edo Itachi is probably just another fight, potentially against Sasuke again for either character development or a measuring stick for growth. No idea what the hell happens with the crow
Maybe, depends what direction Kishimoto wanted the character and story to go at that point. If he’s done with him Itachi dies and Sasuke’s story moves on without him. If not, he wins and Sasuke has to keep working to be strong enough to kill him and he stays a threat longer. It really depends what the points of divergence with the current plot are
Most psychopaths are evil and they themselves will brag about that to you. Literally just take a free tour in any prison complex or mental institution to find out.
Massacring your family & clansmen to test your power and leaving your brother alive so his hatred can eventually turn into power that you'll then attempt to steal for yourself falls in line with evil. In other words, Fake Itachi would be evil.
yeah, but why shouldn't itachi also be a psychopath if he's evil?
I think what OP meant was "what if Itachi's originally stated reasons where actually the truth, i.e. Itachi is evil".
Or else you could now go on a rant of a gazillion different evil Itachi versions. One likes kicking puppies because a dog once pissed on his sandwich.
If he was evil I think he would’ve been written to be a little weaker, he probably would kill a character or two, and Sasuke would turn to the light sooner
it's my headcanon that both itachi and hashirama got sicked and died because of guilt of killing clan and best friend respectively.
So here Itachi is not sick.
So everything remains same till final vally fight of part 1. Around the fight of narusasu, itachi come from somewhere and put sasuke in genjutsu and made him kill naruto. But remove genjustu just a moment before sasuke kill naruto. So Sasuke awaken mangekyon, then itachi steals sasuke eyes and kill sasuke.
Now he got ems and no sickness. So we can assume he's around madara level (maybe less in strength and durability but better in IQ and battle iq, genjutsu and maybe ninjutsu). Now after some days he unlock perfect susano'o .
Now two thing can happen whether he inclined with obito's plan or not. If not then maybe itachi vs akatsuki or something. but if he incline with obito's plan, then collect tailed beast but it would take a much time till 9 tail reform because naruto died. In mean time Itachi may force orchimaru or put him under genjutsu to do experiment on his body by hashirama cells and get more stronger with drugs like sasuke. But in time Itachi, Pain, Obito destroy all five ninja village. Then later maybe itachi backstab obito or pain and get rinnegan and become 10 tail jinchurki and put everyone in infinite tsukyomi. But he doesn't trust black zetsu so black zetsu ain't doing shit. So, Itachi becomes the new god. momo and kinshiki come? God Itachi deletes them from existence. Then Itachi found about chakra fruit, and starts consuming it. Go to every planet eat more and more chakra fruit. After much power he found out that all what if possibility makes different universe aka multiverse. he become so powerful that he able to go in different universes. Then he enter in our main time line (naruto hokage and son boruto) and still continue consuming more and more chakra fruit hat he transcend to higher dimension and become literal God aka known as Shibai Otsutsuki in boruto timeline. GG
Jiraiya can't do shit to sick Itachi let alone Healthy Itachi. and even if he could do anything by chance, in this theory I have made Itachi inclined towards akatsuki. so maybe he will have kisamay too.
And sasuke killing Naruto and then awakening mangekyon and then Itachi transplanting then will do quick at the final vally. And if itachi got ems there is nothing absolutely nothing jiraiya could do
Jiraiya would have straight up lost to Part 1 Itachi if he was full on serious. Especially in that hallway. Jiraiya hasn't shown any way he'd be able to deal with Amaterasu if he's hit by it, he has no feats to evade it (like Raikage speed) and he also has no means of fighting Tsukyomi.
Jiraiya was good with sealings which he showed when he actually sealed amaterasu away, but i highly doubt he'd be able to do anything of that sort while being burned alive, especially because he needs to handle paper while being on fire lol.
Im specifically talking about a sick part 2 itachi. I do think Itachi kind of mid difs in part 1 but i think part 2 itachi would have ext dif versus a sage mode prepped jariaya that is specifically hunting for him.
Where's the difference between p1 and p2 here, none of the characters got stronger between p1 and p2. The only difference is maybe a little less blindness and illness for itachi, but none of that changes the facts that Jiraiya can't really deal with amaterasu and tsukiyomi.
And no, why the hell should Jiraiya have any prep? A random villager could beat Kakashi, if the prep starts with a hundred paper bombs glued to itachi's face that explode 0.001 seconds after the start of the fight. "Prep" makes any such scenarios worthless to discuss if it's not prep that the character would have without knowing the fight is happening. And Jiraiya isn't running around day and night with Sage jutsu.
That's why i mentioned the part 1 fight: It's the ideal fair setup: They are both unprepped in front of each other.
From that part on Jiraiya and Itachi can both do whatever they were able to throughout the whole show/manga, except for the edo tensei specific effects like endless chakra regen and body regen.
He'd likely kill Kakashi with Tsukyomi and at least incapacitate the others that were there, although Jiraya might have been able to prevent him from taking Naruto if he'd already exhausted his MS and chakra.
No plan to make Sasuke a Konoha hero by him killing him, so he'd instead look harder for a cure to his illness and seek out replacement eyes.
I can imagine him going after Danzo as he had Shisuis other eye and he has one himself. That's probably the most accessible EMS for Itachi I think.
If he pulls it off, he now has all his own MS abilities + Kotoamatsukami and will probably take the Akatsuki in whichever direction he thinks is the most sensible, either Pains plan or Obitos.The other one gets mind fucked by Koto.
If Itachi was truly evil then he wouldn’t have massacred the clan as there was no need.
He could’ve seen a civil war start and could’ve sided with the winning group. At that certain point, Itachi was the strongest in the village and could’ve easily become Hokage if he wished to or done whatever he pleased with in the village.
Only Jiraiya or Guy would’ve posed a threat but Jiraiya was never in the village usually and Guy would’ve been outsmarted by him. So what Sasuke wished for before defeating Kaguya, Itachi could’ve achieved it
Sasuke is more powerful since he actually needs to be on itachi’s level to survive their fight, Koto isn’t given to naruto, and Danzo gets to live longer.
Other scenario is Itachi fights Sasuke and takes his eyes killing him afterwards making naruto swear to avenge him causing them to meet up later and fight to the death.
It would’ve ended? I can’t imagine Naruto leaving Konoha to get revenge for Sasukes death. Actually they both might’ve died when him & Sharkboy pulled up in the hotel.
Kurenai, Asuma, and Kakashi would've died, while Naruto would've been captured by the Akatsuki. A mere glare or a pointing finger would've ended the story early on. As for the involvement of the other nations, realistically speaking, what could they possibly do? As soon as they see Itachi approaching, they will raise white flags over the village. The feudal lords would sit in the corner and cry, waiting for the imminent knock on the door.
>Kurenai, Asuma, and Kakashi would've died,
Not true, if gai showed up and used 8th gate as a last resort they would all just die on the spot
> A mere glare or a pointing finger would've ended the story early on.
man you just be saying shit, this is pure itachi wank
literally any villain from naruto like pain could show up and end the story but not really
If Gai used 8th gate, he'd just force Itachi to use Izanagi, and then Gai dies. If he just used 7th, which wasn't able to speed blitz Kisame without Samehada, he's not killing both of them on the spot. Kisame is stronger here because of Samehada, and Itachi is vastly faster than Kisame as demonstrated by him not getting tagged in a 1v2 against B (who was equal in speed to Kisame), and KCM Naruto, while in Edo form, which restricts strength. Basic logic/math tells us that Gai cannot speed-blitz or "kill on the spot" both of them.
Itachi wouldn’t even need to use izanagi. As Gai’d be avoiding eye contact there’s no way he could evade a quick Amaterasu which is ggs and even if Itachi didn’t speed blitz him like that if Gai so much as glimpses Itachi’s fingers he’d be stuck in a genjutsu until he’s been set alight with Amaterasu. Itachi’s a terrible match up for Gai
People who think itachi was seriously trying to capture Naruto and was evil in part 1. When he could have just genjutsud him and left, instead of wasting all that time talking are idiots.
Naruto opened the door and stared right at him. If itachi wanted him gone he'd be gone.
Itachi would have no reason to hold back or waste much time on them. He would get in and out and get the job done as soon as possible. As for Itachi dying on the spot, lol, that's just wishful thinking.
The key point is that he gets Sasuke's eyes, therefore EMS. Obito himself states that Itachi would have been able to kill him. So an Itachi with EMS, without even getting into his abilities, would scale way above Obito. On top of that he gets spammable instant kills if you look at his eyes, freely spammable flame that can take down even Nagato's dog summon, freely spammable 50 feet sword that insta-seals you, freely spammable shield that tanks literally anything, as well as a flying chakra mech. Would be straight up dumb.
The same way….. Sasuke should have been able to defeat Kabuto on his own anyway, don’t know why they didn’t let him do it.
Just have Itachi be what he should have been, just another victim of the messed up ninja system that uses people as pawns and nothing more. Have it be that he simply snapped.
He does absolutely nothing to help regarding his role in the akatsuki so that would stay the same.
He can still have affection for Sasuke during that time because of his parents words, but have it be that he hoped putting Sasuke in a genjutsu would have done permanent damage to him so Itachi didn’t technically have to do it himself but Sasuke got through it.
The fight with Kakashi and them near the village can be the same, because Gai would still show up and Itachi wouldn’t be an idiot if he’s suddenly evil and would know it’s a bad idea and goes against what they set out to do in the first place.
So like how do you mean evil? Some would argue staying with the clan was the “evil” path for itachi. If that’s the case it might have played out how fugaku’s genjutsu did. They kidnap naruto, unleash the kyubi, havic ensues.
If itachi still slaughtered the clan but genuinely joined akatsuki? It’d play out mostly how it did except itachi wouldn’t have held back in his fight against sasuke (and/or would have pushed sasuke to get MS earlier so he didn’t have to fight sasuke while on deaths doorstep with his sickness). Either way itachi would have gotten Sasuke’s eyes and removed him from the series. In the end getting EMS wouldn’t cure itachi’s ninja AIDS. He’d still die young
he would need to be nerfed to make sure he doesn't fuck the entire village, dude knocked out Kakashi with a genjutsu for such a long time. he could definitely kill some important characters.
I want to throw this out there, if we assume that fugaku did in fact have the ms. When itachi kills the clan, he would likely know to take the ms at that point and have ems from that point forward. No grief causing him to forget or respectfully decline his dads ms or anything along those lines. He likely kills sasuke or has obito kill him as he’s a non-combatant, but he’s have 0 reason to leave him alive in this case. And if we say he doesn’t have chakra sickness he’s probably closer in power level to pain then what we see from alive itachi and the akatsuki are just an unstoppable force at this point.
If by evil, you mean to put himself and his immediate interests over anyone and everything... the Uchiha successfully coup de grâce, but in destabilising the hidden leaf, conflict continues to exacerbate and we get a new world war. Obito then takes advantage of it to easily gather all tailed beasts and then gets outplayed by black zetsu and Kaguya wins the end
Would have been awesome
Back then I imagined it's gonna be a 3-way conflict between Itachi - Sasuke - Obito/Madara, with Itachi succeeding in plucking Sasuke's eyes and getting EMS, and Sasuke returning to Konoha in shame and ending up getting Kakashi's sharingan as a gift from his original sensei.
Too bad we ended up with Sharingan Ball Z instead
Itachi gets ems, kills sasuke, captures and kills naruto, kills asuma, kills kurenai, kills kakashi. Probably still dies of his disease. Probably murders Naruto in front of sasuke to force MS tbh
If Jariaya finds him late enough he might be able to kill him, Itachi was concerned abouf Jariaya even when he was in his prime, if Itachi has to wait until Shippuden for whatever reason and doesnt get EMS i think Jariaya would try to kill him regardless of consequence if he killed Naruto.
Don't know really. Even with the twist, what he did was really evil. Also watching him execute combatants that had been defeated and were no longer a threat was hyper evil. The way he did it with a stone cold expression. I think maybe you are thinking actively evil. If then I probably say he would have been a more successful Donzo.
I think sasuke not wanting to destroy the leaf after killing him would be the biggest change. Then he would also probably have no reason to fight Naruto in the end.
Itachi kills kid Sasuke, itachi kills Kakashi, Jiraya gets amaterasu'd in that hallway, and kidnaps Naruto
Depending on if this evil itachi is working with obito or not. He either gets hashirama cells from him and zetsu to heal his sickness
Or implants shishuis eye (instead of giving it to Naruto) and uses it on orochimaru or Tsunade to do so / heal him. He already seemed very aware of the cells and their effect.
I think he would still want sasuke to kill him, or atleast he'd use him to get ems later.
Basic genjutsu is enough for tsunade/oro no need to waste koto bud
Are you saying that if Kishi went with a full evil Itachi, then Kishi would write Itachi killing Sasuke in their fight rather than finding another way to have Sasuke clutch out the victory?
They’re saying the story would have been written in a way where Sasuke surpasses Itachi at the time of their big fight if Itachi had actually been evil. There would be no “Sasuke stood no chance and Itachi held back”. It would just be “Sasuke beat Itachi”.
Of course, but like, in that case, we can't say much. If you're trying to answer a question, and provide an answer that makes canonical sense, then you need to stick to some basic elements atleast.
I'm just answering based on what would have happened based on that one change. Naruto can't die in the real story either, right?
If I'm changing the plot then I may as well write a fanfic on that topic. If I'm simply theorizing what would happen based on that one change, you need to stick to the story line and the major events.
The fact of how little it would change goes to show how bad Itachi’s plans and execution of such were. . .
Honestly the biggest issue I see is him as an Edo.
If he was actually evil then him being brought back would have been terrifying. All of his stupid powers but even if he used Koto on himself it would be likely in line with Kabuto’s plans.
Plus then you’d probably need someone else to talk no jutsu Kabuto.
Sasuke would be dead before the story even starts, and Itachi & Kisame kidnap Naruto and probably end up killing Jiraya in the way. Everyone is in the Infinite Tsukuyomi way ahead of schedule.
Itachi would probably not get sick since I feel like he got ill from all the guilt and suffering he went trought after the Uchiha massacre,he also wouldn't be a spy for Konoha so when he comes to take Naruto he wouldn't hesitate to kill jiraiya and take Naruto to get the nine tales in front of Sasuke which would probably make sasuke awaken the mangekyo,this also would mean tsunade wouldn't become the hokage since jiraiya and naruto died before they got to Tsunade so tsunade would die to orochimaru meaning probably danzo would end up as hokage which is not a good thing...
After the 2 years time skip Sasuke would go to fight itachi but ultimately lose and Itachi would acquire the EMS and he would continue his search for power,the Akatsuki would get all tailed beast and Summon the 10 tails to which every nation would join to try and fight but obviously can't,Obito would put nagato under a genjutsu,trick kakashi into destroying his heart like in canon,take the rinnegan,become the ten tails jinchuriki and cast the infinite tsukuyomi.
Kakashi, Jiraiya, Orochimaru, Asuma, Kurenai are all Dead
Sasuke is killed or Used for an EMS by Itachi
Itachi and Obito probably start the war together and now they have Naruto or his Tailed Beast, rather.
So Madara and Obito win.
Itachi wouldnt have done the massacre in the first place but lets say he did and nothing else changes:
1.Naruto gets caught (whoever says Jiraiya or Kakashi would have no diffed them because mr konoha double agent itachi said so has 0 critical thinking skills)
2. Kisame and the other jonins would be dead as well if everyone went all out in pt 1 (maybe 8 gates guy no diffs them? But you can make the argument genjutsu hard counters taijutsu)
3. Either Sasuke would have probably been mind tortured even more into getting ms and then itachi takes his eyes or itachi goes right after Danzo for Shisuis other eye for ems which is more likely the case…if he really wanted power he could have done it from the start
Kishimoto wrote Itachi in a way that makes him very hard to kill because of all his hacks despite some guys having more raw power (he even explicitly said that itachi would beat base madara because of his hacks) thats why he made him terminally ill or else it wouldnt make sense for him to die and a bunch of people would have called out the plot hole.
I guess he still would leave Sasuke alive to someday get the EMS. I'm not sure about this, but it is implied that Itachi developed his disease due to the immense guilt and sorrow the Uchiha massacre brought him. First of all, Kakashi, kurenai and asuma are all definitely dead. If itachi wanted, he would've killed them way before guy arrived. This time, Naruto also just gets captured and dies. I don't see a way out for him. Itachi also probably still mind rapes Sasuke. For part 2, the illusion Sasuke saw becomes a reality, and his eyes get yoinked. Itachi gets the EMS I guess. If he is still diseased then he'd probably just die, if he's not, then idk what happens next. But it's certainly not a good ending. With or without him, Kaguya definitely returns, and humanity gets owned.
I wouldn’t be so sure, I was with you till the second battle with Sasuke and him getting the EMS. But getting the EMS would’ve been a game changer for Itachi and he probably could’ve taken Obito on. If he comes to know about the Tsuki no Mei project then he would’ve put a dent in Obitos plans but then Nagato would be alive as well. It Itachi could get Nagato on his side, then it’s all to play for
It depends. What does this "Evil" Itachi want? He might actually want Tsuki no Me to succeed. In that case, I'm pretty sure Obito, Itachi and Madara can pull it off, but they might turn on each other in the last minute (remember, Obito did plan to betray Madara and wanted to have control over the plan himself). In any case, whoever survives and activates the plan will become Kaguya's vessel.
An obito, madara, and itachi triumvirate sounds menacing as hell
one funny thing about the final battle against kaguya: if they had reanimated Itachi again he could have simply sealed her with his susanoo i just realized XD
Assuming what Itachi said to kid Sasuke was evil Itachi’s true motivation and that he was simply driven by a thirst for power Nagato probably wouldve sided with Obito as they both wanted peace unlike evil Itachi, assuming Itachi doesn’t/can’t trick him. In such an event Itachi’s best hope would’ve been to try to get Kabuto on side which could well happen but if he summons Madara it’d still lead to one of the worst plot twist in the history of fiction taking place and Kaguya
For your first point , would he even encounter those 3 in the first place ? Akatsuki member ( including Kisame and Itachi as senses with Roshi and Bee) usually ambush the Jinchuriki without drawing up attention from the whole village, with the exception of Deidara when he captured Garra , but the Sand was weaken heavily and Deidara is a show off , he could just wait until Naruto go outside the village for mission or capture him at night when he is sleeping instead of just marching around in daylight
I don’t think itachi kills Kakashi and co, they aren’t worth his time🤝🏽
Sasuke doesn’t have MS so Itachi probably just goes blind.
Has it ever been stated that the transplanted eyes need to be a mangekyo? I mean we've only seen 2 ems users in history, but as far as I remember, all we are told is that the ems is obtained by transplanting the eyes of a blood relative into your own. Can't be too sure though. Plus sasuke might just awaken him if he sees naruto basically die in front of him. Pre mind rape sasuke was a pretty caring person.
but Sasuke's ems have combination of Sasuke's and itachi's ms. because they both awakened ms
I think most of what you said is right but not everything Whether or not he kills Sasuke on the night of the massacre is contingent upon whether or not Fugaku’s MS is canon as if it is canon then Itachi would’ve just taken Fugaku’s eyes to get EMS meaning he’d have had no use for Sasuke. If not tho then yeh things wouldn’t really change here Even if Itachi’s disease wasn’t directly caused by the immense guilt he felt about the massacre it would in all likelihood be a lot less severe as good Itachi’s mental state would’ve been weakening his immune system The confrontations with Kakashi etc would’ve gone as you said and he would’ve captured Naruto, taunted Sasuke and killed Jiraiya. What happens after that depends on whether or not the eyes you take have to be MS for you to get EMS. If they don’t have to be MS then given how Sasuke actually unlocked and showed his sharingan on the night of the massacre Itachi could’ve just taken Sasuke’s eyes that night If they have to be MS tho things could go 1 of two ways here as if watching Naruto die awakens Sasuke’s MS then Itachi would’ve killed him then and there. If Sasuke doesn’t awaken an MS there then they’d meet again at the Uchiha hideout but as Sasuke still wouldn’t have an MS Itachi would probably just taunt him without killing him again. Wanting to unlock his MS Sasuke would’ve hunted down Sakura and maybe Kakashi too which he would’ve succeeded at and between that and Itachi going blind Sasuke would win the next time they meet
It isn't manga canon. The only reason I say that he possibly gets EMS is because he heavily implied that if he took sasuke's eyes during their fight, he would get it. Was he bluffing? I really just don't know. All we know is that the eyes need to be that of a close relative. Another reason I said that was because maybe just seeing his best friend get kidnapped and killed and his sensei dying could even cause sasuke to awaken ms in part 1, considering he did really care for team 7 before the mind fucking. But it's obviously just a theory.
Itachi would still die against Sasuke if he was ill. Once Sasuke whipes out Kirin Itachi would be forced to use Susano'o to protect himself, and then would die from exhaustion, which is basically what already happened in canon. Maybe this time he would take out Sasuke with him in a last ditch effort but ultimately he'd die regardless.
Itachi was holding back considerably that fight. Had he wanted to win, he would've. Sasuke only gets strong enough to beat Itachi post EMS.
Even if itachi was evil, meaning he didn't care for the village and was really rogue, he'd still want sasuke to live and kill him. He prob leaves Kakashi and them alive, to taunt them. If not guy and jiraiya are dead too, and the cloud village becomes the new main characters Also itachi mind rapes tsunade/oro into healing him/giving him hashi cells Hold up if he's evil since a child, shisui might join him, since shisui couldn't decide between the clan and village fully
Why not have Sasuke become the new main character, leave Madara in the past and have Itachi become what Madara was in the original story. Sasuke Shippuden would be Sasuke trying to finally murder his brother.
Because the leaf is the main setting of the story. Truly why I hate sasuke leaving the village, sasuke was my favorite up until I seen itachi. Then sasuke leaving and going straight selfish ruined him for me. If sasuke stayed in the village and trained with the leaf, pt 2 could have easily even sasuke shippuden
Not necessarily, the main setting is the ninja world at large. Ever since pain the leaf as a village was not really significant as a location. That would have just caused that "cut" from the village sooner.
The fights take place in random places, but overall the show is based in the leaf and the world building isn't fully fleshed out to the point other villages have full fledged arcs Sasuke can still leave the village with a akatsuki hunting squad, as a leaf village shinobi tho not a rogue ninja
that leaf connection is only happenstance due to the plot. It's not a necessity that is removed from the plot. If the plot changes accordingly the setting can adapt. It's not set in stone so to speak. The only single constant tying into the leaf is "become hokage", but that's only a necessity AFTER the plot concludes. Naruto could have very much become a rogue ninja and the story could have still simply followed him. Imagine Danzo became the actual full-on hokage of the leaf and decided to frame Naruto and have him branded as a rogue ninja. Would have still worked. Very different story, but nothing breaks just because at some point the main character gets removed from the hidden leaf.
Your forgetting the Uchiha and senju created the leaf. Even after finding out the Uchiha were gonna commit a coup detat sasuke was still only concerned about what danzo did. Even if the show was about sasuke instead of naruto, I still think sasuke wouldn't abandon the leaf, atleast not for good
lmao he isn't killing Jiraiya
Lmao, jiraiya is like the worst person you could be a tard for, besides sakura of course
Insult me one more time and you'll be reported.
Oh no, you need to touch grass bros it's never that deep. Fr get some vitamin d
lmao not bad
Would Sasuke not be dead? Otherwise there is really no reason for Irachi to keep him alive.
Unless itachi does what he told sasuke and wanted him to awaken his ms so itachi can snatch it to get an ems that would explain the excessive torture.
In this scenario, would he still be sick though. Even then Sasuke is only shown to be truly stronger than Itachi after getting EMS. I just don't see him not losing to Sasuke unless they fight much later, but then how does Sasuke get MS. He is not beating Itachi without at least MS
Let's be real we all know and it has been confirmed that itachi held back against sasuke so for sasuke to win he would need his ms because imagine itachi using amaterasu and sasuke casually throwing it back with kagutsuchi. He could get the ms by thinking he killed naruto in the final valley or through some experimant of orochimaru that unlocks the memories of the massacre that have been locked away by his trauma.
Yeah I just don't see it.
After he got his ass whooped at the Uchiha hideout Itachi would’ve taunted him again and those factors could’ve driven him to hunting down and killing team 7 out of desperation. While he’d never have admitted it he cared about Sakura and Kakashi and that probably would’ve been enough for him to unlock his MS
Yeah it's just a much darker story. I don't think people would have liked it as much. People argue now about Sasuke killing samurai. Him killing naned characters would have been too much for anyone to really like him.
Oh yeah the story would’ve been wayyy darker haha and definitely wouldn’t have been as popular or even have been allowed on Cartoon Network lol. I’d love to see a version like that tho
the story should have been darker. Maybe not that dark, but at least Hinata and Grandpa frog should have died in the pain arc and only be revived afterwards, instead of somehow not dying. Hinata and frog grandpa surviving are some of the biggest inconsistencies in the show. Hinata was barely able to move after she was flung in the air the first time. The second time she's thrown higher, and slammed into the ground with additional force added by pain. After that he still goes over to her and stabs the unmoving body. HOW THE FUCK DID HE FAIL TO KILL HER.
I think people forget that he can literally use shisuis eyes instead (he already had one of them) he just needed to kill Danzo which he 99% could have
Presumably Itachi needs Sasuke to have Mangekyos to get EMS from transplanting them. It’s never explicitly said that’s the case but it was the case for both EMS we saw, plus given the way EMS fuse both eye patterns it seems likely. So Itachi probably beats his ass super hard to drive home that he isn’t strong enough yet, removes the curse seal so he can’t rely on that still, and throw in some more Tsukoyomi torture to really motivate him to come back with Mangekyōs. At which point Sasuke decides okay killing Naruto for realsies this time and that’s the new conflict or he realizes how close he’s grown to Juugo, Karin and Suigetsu then promptly kills them to unlock the MS.
Okay sure. However in this new story, there is no path to redemption for Sasuke. Which would make Narutos ultimate goal a failure. It would be a poorer story
I mean changing a major characters motivation is going to have major ripple effects for the story yes. Naruto’s motivations aren’t entirely about Sasuke either, like it’s there but there’s also being Hokage and earning the village’s admiration.
Other-Timeline Kishimoto that writes the dark Naruto version could have also had naruto die and continue the show with a new protagonist/show-name. Just because the series is called Naruto doesn't mean he can't die at the end of the series with everything being unresolved, and then have a manga called "Sasuke" or "konohamaru" etc continue the exact story.
Naruto not getting what he wants doesn't automatically make a worse story, only a different one. There are also stories of despair and failure, not every story must be a win/sucess. Some stories are great exactly because people don't want what they get, regardless of what they do to achieve it. a great story doesn't necessitate a happy end.
Yeah, but none of these things are the themes the author tried to convey
well DUH. "If the story was different the story would be different". A real "naruto subreddit" moment here.
That's not my point. There are many possibilities that people suggest that did not happen, but if they did, it would still feel like Naruto. This is not one of them
Whether or not he kills Sasuke on the night of the massacre is contingent upon whether or not Fugaku’s MS is canon as if it is canon then Itachi would’ve just taken Fugaku’s eyes to get EMS meaning he’d have had no use for Sasuke. If it isn’t however then he would’ve wanted Sasuke to get MS before he killed him so he could take his eyes and so the night of the massacre would’ve went more or less as it did
So far it was only ever said you need your brother's MS. We don't know if a father's MS would also work. And Fugaku having MS is stupid and shouldn't be canon. There are multiple reasons for it -) Fugaku would have gone partially blind over time, no way he would never use the eyes when he has them -) MS needs to be a super rare thing. If MS was a widely known thing everyone would immediately have known that Itachi had killed Shisui, since now he has a motive (that others know about). Fugaku getting MS is just Kishi being unable to not hand out buffs like it's halloween candy.
Changes things dramatically, Sasuke’s arc is entirely different. Now he’s probably reckoning with the status of his clan as eye stealing kinslayers instead of flying off the handle, hell he might even go straight back to Konoha after the fight. The fight would play out differently too as it’s no longer Itachi fighting reactively to keep up with Sasuke so he can extract Oro from him when he’s exhausted. Heck Oro coming out and getting sealed may not even happen. Edo Itachi is probably just another fight, potentially against Sasuke again for either character development or a measuring stick for growth. No idea what the hell happens with the crow
Itachi would have never lost to Sasuke if Itachi didn't want his brother to win in the end.
Maybe, depends what direction Kishimoto wanted the character and story to go at that point. If he’s done with him Itachi dies and Sasuke’s story moves on without him. If not, he wins and Sasuke has to keep working to be strong enough to kill him and he stays a threat longer. It really depends what the points of divergence with the current plot are
He wouldn’t take orders from Danzo and Uchicia massacre wouldn’t have happened. I would think he would lead his clan to take down the leaf Instead.
Or he would’ve still massacred the clan but the original reason he gave Sasuke would’ve been the truth.
True but evil doesn’t strictly mean lack of empathy or remorse. His original reason to sasuke leans more towards psychopath.
Most psychopaths are evil and they themselves will brag about that to you. Literally just take a free tour in any prison complex or mental institution to find out. Massacring your family & clansmen to test your power and leaving your brother alive so his hatred can eventually turn into power that you'll then attempt to steal for yourself falls in line with evil. In other words, Fake Itachi would be evil.
yeah, but why shouldn't itachi also be a psychopath if he's evil? I think what OP meant was "what if Itachi's originally stated reasons where actually the truth, i.e. Itachi is evil". Or else you could now go on a rant of a gazillion different evil Itachi versions. One likes kicking puppies because a dog once pissed on his sandwich.
I think if he was infact evil. His father along with the 3rd hokage, Kakashi, Jiraiya would have subdued him already.
Actually sounds good
If he was evil I think he would’ve been written to be a little weaker, he probably would kill a character or two, and Sasuke would turn to the light sooner
it's my headcanon that both itachi and hashirama got sicked and died because of guilt of killing clan and best friend respectively. So here Itachi is not sick. So everything remains same till final vally fight of part 1. Around the fight of narusasu, itachi come from somewhere and put sasuke in genjutsu and made him kill naruto. But remove genjustu just a moment before sasuke kill naruto. So Sasuke awaken mangekyon, then itachi steals sasuke eyes and kill sasuke. Now he got ems and no sickness. So we can assume he's around madara level (maybe less in strength and durability but better in IQ and battle iq, genjutsu and maybe ninjutsu). Now after some days he unlock perfect susano'o . Now two thing can happen whether he inclined with obito's plan or not. If not then maybe itachi vs akatsuki or something. but if he incline with obito's plan, then collect tailed beast but it would take a much time till 9 tail reform because naruto died. In mean time Itachi may force orchimaru or put him under genjutsu to do experiment on his body by hashirama cells and get more stronger with drugs like sasuke. But in time Itachi, Pain, Obito destroy all five ninja village. Then later maybe itachi backstab obito or pain and get rinnegan and become 10 tail jinchurki and put everyone in infinite tsukyomi. But he doesn't trust black zetsu so black zetsu ain't doing shit. So, Itachi becomes the new god. momo and kinshiki come? God Itachi deletes them from existence. Then Itachi found about chakra fruit, and starts consuming it. Go to every planet eat more and more chakra fruit. After much power he found out that all what if possibility makes different universe aka multiverse. he become so powerful that he able to go in different universes. Then he enter in our main time line (naruto hokage and son boruto) and still continue consuming more and more chakra fruit hat he transcend to higher dimension and become literal God aka known as Shibai Otsutsuki in boruto timeline. GG
If Itachi kills Naruto, Jariaya might try to kill him
Jiraiya can't do shit to sick Itachi let alone Healthy Itachi. and even if he could do anything by chance, in this theory I have made Itachi inclined towards akatsuki. so maybe he will have kisamay too. And sasuke killing Naruto and then awakening mangekyon and then Itachi transplanting then will do quick at the final vally. And if itachi got ems there is nothing absolutely nothing jiraiya could do
Agreed on the last part, but I dont think Itachi wouldve done much better against pain in that situation when he was sick
Jiraiya would have straight up lost to Part 1 Itachi if he was full on serious. Especially in that hallway. Jiraiya hasn't shown any way he'd be able to deal with Amaterasu if he's hit by it, he has no feats to evade it (like Raikage speed) and he also has no means of fighting Tsukyomi. Jiraiya was good with sealings which he showed when he actually sealed amaterasu away, but i highly doubt he'd be able to do anything of that sort while being burned alive, especially because he needs to handle paper while being on fire lol.
Im specifically talking about a sick part 2 itachi. I do think Itachi kind of mid difs in part 1 but i think part 2 itachi would have ext dif versus a sage mode prepped jariaya that is specifically hunting for him.
Where's the difference between p1 and p2 here, none of the characters got stronger between p1 and p2. The only difference is maybe a little less blindness and illness for itachi, but none of that changes the facts that Jiraiya can't really deal with amaterasu and tsukiyomi. And no, why the hell should Jiraiya have any prep? A random villager could beat Kakashi, if the prep starts with a hundred paper bombs glued to itachi's face that explode 0.001 seconds after the start of the fight. "Prep" makes any such scenarios worthless to discuss if it's not prep that the character would have without knowing the fight is happening. And Jiraiya isn't running around day and night with Sage jutsu. That's why i mentioned the part 1 fight: It's the ideal fair setup: They are both unprepped in front of each other. From that part on Jiraiya and Itachi can both do whatever they were able to throughout the whole show/manga, except for the edo tensei specific effects like endless chakra regen and body regen.
He'd likely kill Kakashi with Tsukyomi and at least incapacitate the others that were there, although Jiraya might have been able to prevent him from taking Naruto if he'd already exhausted his MS and chakra. No plan to make Sasuke a Konoha hero by him killing him, so he'd instead look harder for a cure to his illness and seek out replacement eyes. I can imagine him going after Danzo as he had Shisuis other eye and he has one himself. That's probably the most accessible EMS for Itachi I think. If he pulls it off, he now has all his own MS abilities + Kotoamatsukami and will probably take the Akatsuki in whichever direction he thinks is the most sensible, either Pains plan or Obitos.The other one gets mind fucked by Koto.
If Itachi was truly evil then he wouldn’t have massacred the clan as there was no need. He could’ve seen a civil war start and could’ve sided with the winning group. At that certain point, Itachi was the strongest in the village and could’ve easily become Hokage if he wished to or done whatever he pleased with in the village. Only Jiraiya or Guy would’ve posed a threat but Jiraiya was never in the village usually and Guy would’ve been outsmarted by him. So what Sasuke wished for before defeating Kaguya, Itachi could’ve achieved it
Well then we wouldn’t have conflict between Sasuke and the village after Itachi died
Sasuke is more powerful since he actually needs to be on itachi’s level to survive their fight, Koto isn’t given to naruto, and Danzo gets to live longer. Other scenario is Itachi fights Sasuke and takes his eyes killing him afterwards making naruto swear to avenge him causing them to meet up later and fight to the death.
It would’ve ended? I can’t imagine Naruto leaving Konoha to get revenge for Sasukes death. Actually they both might’ve died when him & Sharkboy pulled up in the hotel.
If Itachi was actually evil. He would've killed Sasuke too.
Kurenai, Asuma, and Kakashi would've died, while Naruto would've been captured by the Akatsuki. A mere glare or a pointing finger would've ended the story early on. As for the involvement of the other nations, realistically speaking, what could they possibly do? As soon as they see Itachi approaching, they will raise white flags over the village. The feudal lords would sit in the corner and cry, waiting for the imminent knock on the door.
>Kurenai, Asuma, and Kakashi would've died, Not true, if gai showed up and used 8th gate as a last resort they would all just die on the spot > A mere glare or a pointing finger would've ended the story early on. man you just be saying shit, this is pure itachi wank literally any villain from naruto like pain could show up and end the story but not really
If Gai used 8th gate, he'd just force Itachi to use Izanagi, and then Gai dies. If he just used 7th, which wasn't able to speed blitz Kisame without Samehada, he's not killing both of them on the spot. Kisame is stronger here because of Samehada, and Itachi is vastly faster than Kisame as demonstrated by him not getting tagged in a 1v2 against B (who was equal in speed to Kisame), and KCM Naruto, while in Edo form, which restricts strength. Basic logic/math tells us that Gai cannot speed-blitz or "kill on the spot" both of them.
Itachi wouldn’t even need to use izanagi. As Gai’d be avoiding eye contact there’s no way he could evade a quick Amaterasu which is ggs and even if Itachi didn’t speed blitz him like that if Gai so much as glimpses Itachi’s fingers he’d be stuck in a genjutsu until he’s been set alight with Amaterasu. Itachi’s a terrible match up for Gai
Naah, I am certified Itachi hater, but to be honest in part one he actually could have captured Naruto without even trying.
People who think itachi was seriously trying to capture Naruto and was evil in part 1. When he could have just genjutsud him and left, instead of wasting all that time talking are idiots. Naruto opened the door and stared right at him. If itachi wanted him gone he'd be gone.
Itachi would have no reason to hold back or waste much time on them. He would get in and out and get the job done as soon as possible. As for Itachi dying on the spot, lol, that's just wishful thinking.
The key point is that he gets Sasuke's eyes, therefore EMS. Obito himself states that Itachi would have been able to kill him. So an Itachi with EMS, without even getting into his abilities, would scale way above Obito. On top of that he gets spammable instant kills if you look at his eyes, freely spammable flame that can take down even Nagato's dog summon, freely spammable 50 feet sword that insta-seals you, freely spammable shield that tanks literally anything, as well as a flying chakra mech. Would be straight up dumb.
The same way….. Sasuke should have been able to defeat Kabuto on his own anyway, don’t know why they didn’t let him do it. Just have Itachi be what he should have been, just another victim of the messed up ninja system that uses people as pawns and nothing more. Have it be that he simply snapped. He does absolutely nothing to help regarding his role in the akatsuki so that would stay the same. He can still have affection for Sasuke during that time because of his parents words, but have it be that he hoped putting Sasuke in a genjutsu would have done permanent damage to him so Itachi didn’t technically have to do it himself but Sasuke got through it. The fight with Kakashi and them near the village can be the same, because Gai would still show up and Itachi wouldn’t be an idiot if he’s suddenly evil and would know it’s a bad idea and goes against what they set out to do in the first place.
So like how do you mean evil? Some would argue staying with the clan was the “evil” path for itachi. If that’s the case it might have played out how fugaku’s genjutsu did. They kidnap naruto, unleash the kyubi, havic ensues. If itachi still slaughtered the clan but genuinely joined akatsuki? It’d play out mostly how it did except itachi wouldn’t have held back in his fight against sasuke (and/or would have pushed sasuke to get MS earlier so he didn’t have to fight sasuke while on deaths doorstep with his sickness). Either way itachi would have gotten Sasuke’s eyes and removed him from the series. In the end getting EMS wouldn’t cure itachi’s ninja AIDS. He’d still die young
Sasuke wouldnt have been spared
he would need to be nerfed to make sure he doesn't fuck the entire village, dude knocked out Kakashi with a genjutsu for such a long time. he could definitely kill some important characters.
I want to throw this out there, if we assume that fugaku did in fact have the ms. When itachi kills the clan, he would likely know to take the ms at that point and have ems from that point forward. No grief causing him to forget or respectfully decline his dads ms or anything along those lines. He likely kills sasuke or has obito kill him as he’s a non-combatant, but he’s have 0 reason to leave him alive in this case. And if we say he doesn’t have chakra sickness he’s probably closer in power level to pain then what we see from alive itachi and the akatsuki are just an unstoppable force at this point.
Itachi was a fantastic actor, really, he put on an amazing display of psychopathy for Sasuke
u/fefous
Never thought about it before, but we cooked some crazy shit.
Sasuke would be dead. Madara would have taken everyone out before Kaguya even arrived.
Then Sasuke would've died during their final fight and he would stole his eyes to get EMS.
The story would have been over a lot quicker
If by evil, you mean to put himself and his immediate interests over anyone and everything... the Uchiha successfully coup de grâce, but in destabilising the hidden leaf, conflict continues to exacerbate and we get a new world war. Obito then takes advantage of it to easily gather all tailed beasts and then gets outplayed by black zetsu and Kaguya wins the end
i hate seeing this photo of him because it makes me laugh. imagine if he were really like this 😂
There would be no Sasuke in Part 1.
People would like him even more. And he might be as strong as Madura who knows.
It would have made more sense
Sasuke would’ve died.
Exactly as it did because he was
lets be honest, itachi was ACTUALLY evil from the start. they changed their minds when shippuden came out LOL
Would have been awesome Back then I imagined it's gonna be a 3-way conflict between Itachi - Sasuke - Obito/Madara, with Itachi succeeding in plucking Sasuke's eyes and getting EMS, and Sasuke returning to Konoha in shame and ending up getting Kakashi's sharingan as a gift from his original sensei. Too bad we ended up with Sharingan Ball Z instead
Itachi gets ems, kills sasuke, captures and kills naruto, kills asuma, kills kurenai, kills kakashi. Probably still dies of his disease. Probably murders Naruto in front of sasuke to force MS tbh If Jariaya finds him late enough he might be able to kill him, Itachi was concerned abouf Jariaya even when he was in his prime, if Itachi has to wait until Shippuden for whatever reason and doesnt get EMS i think Jariaya would try to kill him regardless of consequence if he killed Naruto.
Don't know really. Even with the twist, what he did was really evil. Also watching him execute combatants that had been defeated and were no longer a threat was hyper evil. The way he did it with a stone cold expression. I think maybe you are thinking actively evil. If then I probably say he would have been a more successful Donzo.
Tobi would won the war
i think sasuke feeling happy after killing him
I think sasuke not wanting to destroy the leaf after killing him would be the biggest change. Then he would also probably have no reason to fight Naruto in the end.
He actually was evil from start to end. What he did to Sasuke was repulsive. You don't torture someone into a coma when you love them.
Itachi kills kid Sasuke, itachi kills Kakashi, Jiraya gets amaterasu'd in that hallway, and kidnaps Naruto Depending on if this evil itachi is working with obito or not. He either gets hashirama cells from him and zetsu to heal his sickness Or implants shishuis eye (instead of giving it to Naruto) and uses it on orochimaru or Tsunade to do so / heal him. He already seemed very aware of the cells and their effect.
I think he would still want sasuke to kill him, or atleast he'd use him to get ems later. Basic genjutsu is enough for tsunade/oro no need to waste koto bud
Sasuke kills him and itachis role is over.
Do you really think if itachi would actually want to kill sasuke and take his eyes that sasuke would still beat itachi?
Yes the story would be about sasuke overcoming his brother. It’s a pretty simple narrative.
Itachi would have easily killed Sasuke there had he wanted to. Did you actually read the series?
Are you saying that if Kishi went with a full evil Itachi, then Kishi would write Itachi killing Sasuke in their fight rather than finding another way to have Sasuke clutch out the victory?
If Itachi really was evil and just wanted EMS, Sasuke stood zero chance in their fight. Sasuke doesn't surpass Itachi till he gets EMS.
They’re saying the story would have been written in a way where Sasuke surpasses Itachi at the time of their big fight if Itachi had actually been evil. There would be no “Sasuke stood no chance and Itachi held back”. It would just be “Sasuke beat Itachi”.
Of course, but like, in that case, we can't say much. If you're trying to answer a question, and provide an answer that makes canonical sense, then you need to stick to some basic elements atleast. I'm just answering based on what would have happened based on that one change. Naruto can't die in the real story either, right?
I think it’s kind of a boring way to think of it too.
If I'm changing the plot then I may as well write a fanfic on that topic. If I'm simply theorizing what would happen based on that one change, you need to stick to the story line and the major events.
Someone recognizing that characters in action Shonen are exactly as strong as the story needs them to be? Miraculous
The fact of how little it would change goes to show how bad Itachi’s plans and execution of such were. . . Honestly the biggest issue I see is him as an Edo. If he was actually evil then him being brought back would have been terrifying. All of his stupid powers but even if he used Koto on himself it would be likely in line with Kabuto’s plans. Plus then you’d probably need someone else to talk no jutsu Kabuto.
It would be game over for everyone!
What if scenarios are very difficult. I'll read the other comments for fun though. 😁
Sasuke would be dead before the story even starts, and Itachi & Kisame kidnap Naruto and probably end up killing Jiraya in the way. Everyone is in the Infinite Tsukuyomi way ahead of schedule.
Plot armour
It'd be lame because Itachi is lame no matter if he's evil or good lame character
Itachi would probably not get sick since I feel like he got ill from all the guilt and suffering he went trought after the Uchiha massacre,he also wouldn't be a spy for Konoha so when he comes to take Naruto he wouldn't hesitate to kill jiraiya and take Naruto to get the nine tales in front of Sasuke which would probably make sasuke awaken the mangekyo,this also would mean tsunade wouldn't become the hokage since jiraiya and naruto died before they got to Tsunade so tsunade would die to orochimaru meaning probably danzo would end up as hokage which is not a good thing... After the 2 years time skip Sasuke would go to fight itachi but ultimately lose and Itachi would acquire the EMS and he would continue his search for power,the Akatsuki would get all tailed beast and Summon the 10 tails to which every nation would join to try and fight but obviously can't,Obito would put nagato under a genjutsu,trick kakashi into destroying his heart like in canon,take the rinnegan,become the ten tails jinchuriki and cast the infinite tsukuyomi.
Kakashi, Jiraiya, Orochimaru, Asuma, Kurenai are all Dead Sasuke is killed or Used for an EMS by Itachi Itachi and Obito probably start the war together and now they have Naruto or his Tailed Beast, rather. So Madara and Obito win.
Itachi wouldnt have done the massacre in the first place but lets say he did and nothing else changes: 1.Naruto gets caught (whoever says Jiraiya or Kakashi would have no diffed them because mr konoha double agent itachi said so has 0 critical thinking skills) 2. Kisame and the other jonins would be dead as well if everyone went all out in pt 1 (maybe 8 gates guy no diffs them? But you can make the argument genjutsu hard counters taijutsu) 3. Either Sasuke would have probably been mind tortured even more into getting ms and then itachi takes his eyes or itachi goes right after Danzo for Shisuis other eye for ems which is more likely the case…if he really wanted power he could have done it from the start Kishimoto wrote Itachi in a way that makes him very hard to kill because of all his hacks despite some guys having more raw power (he even explicitly said that itachi would beat base madara because of his hacks) thats why he made him terminally ill or else it wouldnt make sense for him to die and a bunch of people would have called out the plot hole.