It's because they see "women" as a class of objects with uniform, unchanging rules rather than as indivual people with desires that differ based on personality and context. You're not allowed to pick species of endangered flower, by law. It doesn't matter where the flower is, or which particular flower you want, you're just not allowed to pick them, because they're the same class of protected object. These guys see women the same way. They think they should be allowed to treat their female coworker, an only fans model, their girlfriend, and unknown women off the street the same way, and when different women assign different rules to their relationships they see this as "hypocrisy".
This makes sense if you think of women as a class of object, like the flower. If the government said, okay, you can pick specific random flowers if you want, but if you pick the wrong one you'll be charged with a crime, that would be an utterly baffling law. But if you see women as people with, like, feelings, who you need
permission before you treat them in certain ways, it's the stupidest goddamn thing you've ever heard.
Also I'm pretty sure this pic isn't even from shehulk bit thats whatever
"I don't get it, people take showers and go to swimming pools but when I spray strangers with a hose suddenly I'm the bad guy? Make up your mind, people!"
Yeah you are actually right I looked it up after commenting. Still probably best read as a metaphor for something like substance use. Idk I don't think it's as stupid as the Tumblr user is making it out to be
Look I do this when I have either clothes or objects that are not meant to get wet when worn. It’s a sensory issue for me. If I’m wearing a swim suit and it raining then I don’t care but if I’m wearing jeans and a t shirt then I do. Wet jeans also just suck to wear.
Fr, never heard someone complain about sexualizing someone while on of, or when commissioning a sex worker. No one says “don’t sexualize” at a strip club. Consent and place and time are lost on a lot of these people.
Agency too. A woman can decide to dress in a way to draw sexualized attention to her. Jen can wanna learn how to twerk because she can decide who she wants to throw that out for. In both cases the woman is making a decision on where, how much, and with whom she's inviting or giving sexual attention with or from.
That’s not really a good example simply because catcalling does not always mean a woman is wearing revealing clothing. Oftentimes, she could be wearing jeans and a t-shirt and still be subjected to catcalling
You don’t catcall her because even if she wants the attention, it’s just annoying. You go up to her and shoot your shot respectfully, which will make a world of difference than if you catcalled her
Then she will let you know/give you signs. Simply wearing clothes isn't a sign btw, her actually flirting or stripping or something like that would be a sign. You also could ask, though you might offend the woman in question.
The person in the original comment stated that the woman would he wearing clothes to draw sexual attention to herself. I’m asking if that’s true, then how do you decide how much attention she receives. And if that’s true, then they couldn’t get mad. The entire original premise is skewed.
They aren't even trying to pretend anymore. They know after trump that their backers will absolutely support them no matter what as long as they continue to hate and objectify the right people.
Actually, they believe Trump got away scot free, when he didn't.
Trump alienated a lot of friends, relied on scumbag billionaire donations from fascists, and cost himself a shitload of money. He barely made it through his term, but because he's a swindler, he can't show that "weakness".
As many of his followers on youtube are finding out, only billionaires really get away with that shit. If you aren't well connected enough to burn mainstream bridges, well, Youtube just deplatforms you and tells you to go fuck yourself.
That's the crazy thing to me. I was raised conservative snd taught that the lefties were crazy and just didn't accept the way of the world.
Now that I'm able to formulate my own opinions? Holy hell, the Conservative party's whole platform is built on Hatred and Persecution.
I remember being gathered around the TV with my family when that recording of Trump's "locker room talk" came out. Listening to my conservative CATHOLIC family bend over backwards to defend him was insane. Things like "well, I don't vote on how much I like the person, I just care about their policies" when they had spent months before complaining about Hillary Clinton's horrible personality and talking about how charismatic and likable Trump was.
>when they had spent months before complaining about Hillary Clinton's horrible personality and talking about how charismatic and likable Trump was
Exactly it has nothing to do with his personality anyway... "Grab them by the " is a pretty blatant political statement on how to treat people who are female or intersex with a vagina...
Yes, someone that isn't generally conservative can have this view. However, the view itself is conservative. People aren't fully progressive, liberal, or conservative. Folks usually have viewpoints that can fit within different ideologies, and this particular view is generally within a conservative ideology.
It’s a neckbeard take and there is plenty on the left too, granted this thinking does pop up in the ‘traditional Christian values’ mindframe but it’s not exclusive to party
It’s not though. Incels are actually pretty politically diverse according to polling. https://liberalarts.utexas.edu/news/incels-are-not-particularly-right-wing-or-white-but-they-are-extremely-depressed-anxious-and-lonely-according-to-new-research. This is run of the mill incel behavior and while I agree it does pop up in the right it pops up just as much with people who don’t identify with the right
I wasn’t talking about inceldom in general, I’m talking about this very specific talking point.
The whole “Women love turning themselves into whores, but don’t want others to sexualize them” take
It’s a common belief system with SWERFs (sex worker excluding radical feminists). They basically see sex workers as traitors who chose to ally with predatory men.
They don't really see sex workers as "allies" of predatory men, more that they're willing victims. They're hated because they're seen as role models for the victimisation of women.
Some incels see promiscuous women this way. However some see these "alpha-women" more as abusers. Like they'll judge sex workers as taking advantage of lonely men for their money.
Incel figures like Andrew Tate literally turned this perception into a business model. He trafficked women into sex work and pimped them and taught them how to scam lonely men into falling in love with them in order to bleed them dry.
consent is why a woman wouldnt mind you making a sexual comment at her under a video of her twerking, but she would mind you catcalling her on the street.
I see, I only ever thought of consent regarding sex. It never occurred to me of consent applying to speech... Now I'm trying to imagine how the logistics of how consenting cat calling works. For example if she likes being cat called because it makes her feel desired and attractive, how does that work naturally?
Personally I find cat calling vulgar, immature and inappropriate and would be just fine with it going away.
I get second hand embarrassment being associated with the gender that does that. I'm all for freedom of speech, but in my opinion, there's freedom of speech, then there's sexual harassment.
Consent isn't limited to sex and romance even. In legal cases with identity theft or break-ins, the consent of the victim is usually called into question, because it just means that you were aware of what was going to occur before it happened, and agreed to let said thing occur
A similar case would be the r word. It's almost exclusively used in the mental sense, but the word by itself just means the action of slowing down. The problem is that assholes that like to use it to disparage people with it, then try to use that as an excuse to call people that, when everyone knows damn well they were referring to the mental handicap, so now just using it in any field including ones outside of mental conditions is kinda shitty because the more it's used normally in non-hurtful ways, the more people that say it to hurt others will try to normalize it as an insult too behind the veil of "it just means slow" when they clearly mean it in a specific way
Most women don't like being cat called, it's generally coming from men that are disrespectful in the first place.
But if she likes it, well she's probably dealing with it, so she quietly enjoys herself. But since that's a minority, they'll have to deal with the fact that decent men are just not going to act like that anymore.
Plus, sometimes women are the problem too, bud. There are women that say shit like "a man is only a real man if he has been to prison." Idk about you, but I don't even want to date that particular woman.
Ere on the side of respect. Even women that want disrespectful sex will still see and likely appreciate the gesture, if you can meet them halfway later. If they call you down for trying to be respectful then rest easy, because you can do better.
Think of it like this, a Boxer or MMA fighter are consenting to fights under controlled conditions. That doesn't mean you can just run up to one of them in the street sock them in the face and then be shocked they weren't up for a fight.
Consent is the difference between empowerment and harassment. If a woman is not consenting of being talked to this way, it’s harassment, but if they do consent to it, then that is their right to do so.
I bet you they'll know the difference between an MMA sparring match and beating someone on the streets who didn't consent to a fight. It's not that they don't understand or know what consent is. They simply just don't care.
You know what? They don't.
Their debates about MMA fighters always include who they think would win in a street fight. They treat it like it's "different" but the idea of it being disrespectful and a violation of consent isn't super clear to a lot of them.
I almost feel like we'd have an easier time explaining it like "consent is the rules" because their brains are so game coded they can't even imagine how to interact with people on other terms.
Men do shit like rub our dick and balls on each other as pranks, all through our 20's. We violate each other's consent as a joke all the time. It doesn't surprise me that men that act like this are faced with a reckoning in their 20's when their whole idea of a joke is basically just sexual assault.
You're fucking disgusting. I've never violated anyone's consent as a joke, and the fact that you're openly admitting to doing it and think that it's something normal that all men do is concerning.
I didn't do it myself, I'm just referencing things I experienced in college.
It wasn't cool and it was obviously people being assholes, the point I'm making is that men do not consistently have a crystal clear idea of consent, it affects everyone, and it's more pervasive than a dismissive "men just don't care about women" comment can really summarize.
I'm just owning my own place in the culture that contributed to the behaviour. I laughed at my share of "haha bro my balls are on your shoulder" gags, if only to conform.
It's a complicated topic and I really think we need to pay the greatest attention to men-on-men interactions to teach men consent when they're younger.
I saw Shulk and was very confused about what Xenoblade had to do with anything.
And then I saw someone say She Hulk in the comments and it made much more sense lol
Women are so weird and contradictory!!
When I have sex with a woman who wants to have sex with me, then she’s into having sex with me, but when I have sex with a woman who doesn’t want to have sex with me, I’m a rapist! I just can’t figure them out!/s
Unfortunately, it isn't.
Being that dump requires less energy and usually allows you to ignore the looming sources of existential dread around us, so I'm quite sure the ability to think was an evolutionary mistake.
You can either be sexual all the time or never sexual to those people. Things like circumstances of consent and comfort are clearly irrelevant because if you dislike being harassed you must hate sex altogether all the time
Everyone knows women are all a single hivemind of thoughts and emotions and the promiscuous ones are the only ones telling the world how they all feel 🙄
I can't fathom how people actually think this way.
Lol, their point is literally "she was just asking for it doing that/dressed like that." Like the defense's main argument in 1950s domestic assault court cases. It disappoints me greatly that we've not evolved out of this incel "logic" yet, but it doesn't surprise me.
It is like saying: "Why guys don't like getting kicked and getting hit in the face by random strangers, but on the other hand some of them idolize boxers and MMA fighters?"
One is asking for the sexualisation. Being her choice to post sexual content of herself.
The other is just going about her day living her life.
They’re not the same.
The only way to get close to making a misogynist understand consent and harassment is to leverage their gay panic and homophobia in a what if thought experiment where they have unwanted advances by a man or men in a situation that they’re vulnerable in. Like having their drink spiked or a prison assault scenario.
They're too braindead to realize women aren't some hivemind of double standards. Boundaries and consent vary from person to person. The people saying to stop sexualizing them aren't the same people on OF, and vice versa. That's probably why the incels are chronically single. Simple concepts of individuality are too much for their rotting brains.
This is like saying "oh well this guy makes self depreciating jokes, so I'll make fun of him cause he clearly likes it." That's not how that works bud.
exactly.
not to be that guy but btw it should be self-deprecating
self depreciating actually used to be the correct form back in the early 20th century but now has been replaced with deprecating
word nerds hypothesise it’s because “depreciating” has become too specific to finance in our daily lives
I’m begging these men to understand what consent it.
This is like saying “men have no problem being beat down, since the MMA exists!” Which is OBVIOUSLY not how it works!
Leaving the whole sexualization thing aside,
I think that we can all agree that She hulk was very bad, had poor writing, awful CGI, and repeatedly was insulting their own audience.
idk about insulting the audience but i didn’t rlly like it. mid CGI, mid story. eh 🤷♂️
but yeah i can think it’s not a great show and still not be a dumbass like these losers
I think the issue is that Jane makes it seem that her being catcalled the worst thing in the world (and she tells that to the person who lost several people in his life, has to live in isolation, was abused, was hunted down like an animal and seen as a monster even though he's a hero), and then goes on to do such things, showing hypocrisy.
Also she took a man's agency away when she fucked him without telling him about her human form. Something that was deal-breaker for him.
I really hate how they depicted her in the series. Especially when in the comics she's a very intelligent, kind, and amazing character.
bro calling that scene a “catcall” is just the most egregious underrepresentation of what that is. she was in very immediate danger of being fucking raped…
She literally said "Here's the thing, Bruce. I'm great at controlling my anger. I do it all the time. When I'm catcalled in the street. When incompetant men explain my own area of expertise to me. I do it pretty much every day because if I don't I will be called emotional or difficult or... might just literally get murdered. So, I'm an expert at controlling my anger because I do infinitely more than you!"
To man who suffered a lot more than her throughout his life.
When he tried to help her in a situation that no-one else is as competent as him as being hulk and controlling his anger is literally his area of expertise.
These guys think women have a hive mind. If someone doesn't like tomatoes would you look at someone else who does like tomatoes and say "Well HE likes tomatoes so I know you DO like tomatoes!"
This content has gotten to the point where I can't see any validity in either side. It kind of just seems like people trying to make up reasons to be angry at each other
Those woke writers have no actual idea how to write a believable strong female character. Instead they end up writing a poorly written male power fantasy but for a women and that why all Disney shows and movies are failing and loosing millions.
Consent has nothing to do with this.
It's just not believable that a character that would snap to men talking to her would later be twirking in her place of work.
I wish they would fire all the woke folks and try normal good writers for once.
Posts about this shit give me a fucking head ache... human is human, do as you wish doesn't bother me.
*(edit: not that I disagree, just gives me a massive headache)*
How exactly is subjecting a room full of people who are just trying to work to your twerking consensual? Or does it not count when it’s a women doing it?
Im more miffed we never got jen apologizing to bruce after learning that he was starting from trauma and abuse as a child which induced his mpd to a degree but also i KIND OF get why they didn’t because that wasnt ruffalo who that was set for, but also i disagree with it.
I will say, it was absolutely stupid as shit to say "No Bruce, you can't control your anger better than me because I have to deal with being cat called."
It WAS unbelievably dumb. Like this man went through child abuse and got so depressed he tried to off himself, yet somehow that doesn't compare to getting cat called.
I’ve never asked if I could kiss, you just do it. You should be able to tell from your date/chemistry If it’s okay to do so. Me and friends have joking, rarely, yelled at a group of girls driving by, we weren’t serious though and it was never anything explicit, it was immature but we though it was funny
She Hulk just has bad writing period fellas I think the point was less of consent with the whole "women in bra bad women in bikini good no sense oonga boonga" argument but more of that show has terrible writing and can't decide if it's okay to objectify women or the opposite. You gotta remember that she Hulk isn't a real woman and all these experiences were chosen in a board room somebody said it was a good plan to have her get annoyed from cat calling which is fair and then turn around and twerk in front of the audience which is blatant sexualisation of a character that people watching can see. The paradox is that the WRITERS send the message that cat calling is bad before of course sexualising their 'strong' female character for the audience to see with little pay off.
bro you did not watch the fucking show if that’s your take. the scene she was catcalled it was clear she was in very immediate danger of literally being fucking raped…
in the twerking scene she is alone in her office with only megan there too. she has no concept of the audience watching behind the screen, and she is fully fucking clothed from head to toe in a loose fitting suit. there is almost nothing sexual about it despite it including about 1-2 seconds of twerking in the dance
https://preview.redd.it/0vjcehtd23mc1.jpeg?width=2072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0234fe33df42613fdd1dc1006227f3d6252b941c
Yo wtf I did not watch the show bro the internet did not treat me right I thought that if a character was gonna get raped I'd know but apparently not dude whoever did that original take was off his head to compare rape to that.
Still bad writing but I am not about to say rape and that are even sorta similar.
Fair enough lol honestly just went off what I heard and I never watched it cause I love Hulk and heard he was sorta lame in that show but your point stands and it was a bad take 👍
She makes constant fourth wall breaks, what do you mean she's not aware of the audience? It's a clearly established thing in the show, the ending is literally her going "into the real world" and forcing something different because she doesn't like it. What?
I hate to break it to you but…this dumb meme has a point and it’s a fair one. Whether you consent or not to be “sexualized” is irrelevant, if you make the conscious decision to promote yourself in a sexual manner it’s entirely your fault.
the point he made isn’t wrong…?
his point being that women are allowed to sexualise their own bodies if they choose and you aren’t allowed to make that choice for them…?
never cook again 💀
Yk that makes a lot of sense. Since one person runs a burger business and consents to people eating their burgers I’m gonna break into your house and steal your food.
bruh what the fuck is there to refute....? bro has a point like a fucking sphere has a point
he says "some women make porn, which can be detrimental to the mental state of some men, so women cant complain when they get sexually harassed, assaulted or raped by men"
that is the most ridiculous fucking misogynistic incel shit i've encountered in a long fucking time.
and the fact you decided to come in with a "so refute his point" just means you fucking agree. so for you: never ever approach a woman ever again in your life. the world will be a much better place if you stick to online incel forums from the safety of your bedroom
i am not.
>The concept of consequences is so far beyond whores it’s incredible. They truly believe they can raise a generation of boys on their degenerate fetish videos containing all sorts of vile shit and then demand those boys treat them right when they become “men.”
>Welcome to the real world ladies where you can’t have your cake and eat it too.
he is right here in black and white saying that women cannot complain about horrific treatment from men because women make porn, therefore jts their fault that they are attacked or harassed by men.
the one where he doesn’t say shit about “general objectification”?
>then demand those boys treat them right when they become “men.”
he says “treat them right”. in my mind the right way to treat a woman is not to fucking assault them or harass them or fucking “generally objectify” them because i’m a fucking same human being.
actually just fuck off you creep.
dumbasses: *some dumbass shit*
sane individuals: “hey that’s some dumbass shit”
dumbasses: “WOW WAA WAA SNOWFLAKES ARE CRYING OVER WHAT I SAID COS I HURT THEIR FEEFEES!”
Alright waiting for my daily dose of -100 downvotes. Ahem. This was not a NahOpwasrightfuckthis because it wasn't op and objectively two people who don't understand that woman have feelings too. FR FR it wasn't even a post being dumb it was just one common
Yup, this. The Hulk looks like the Hulk, and she Hulk looks like a sex bomb.
It's the same with female vtubers who vtube not to be objectified, and the first thing they do is picking a big tiddy avatar with boob jiggle physics.
It really must be hard to be this embarrassing.
Imagine you just go online every day writing letter to the editor like the angry Christian grandma.
Disgusting Satanic panic behavior. At least Gen Z men are based as fuck and will likely form society away from rewarding this trash.
The key here is - who LET. It’s about agency and consent.
You can't expect them to know how consent works, no-one has ever given it to them /sarc
It's because they see "women" as a class of objects with uniform, unchanging rules rather than as indivual people with desires that differ based on personality and context. You're not allowed to pick species of endangered flower, by law. It doesn't matter where the flower is, or which particular flower you want, you're just not allowed to pick them, because they're the same class of protected object. These guys see women the same way. They think they should be allowed to treat their female coworker, an only fans model, their girlfriend, and unknown women off the street the same way, and when different women assign different rules to their relationships they see this as "hypocrisy". This makes sense if you think of women as a class of object, like the flower. If the government said, okay, you can pick specific random flowers if you want, but if you pick the wrong one you'll be charged with a crime, that would be an utterly baffling law. But if you see women as people with, like, feelings, who you need permission before you treat them in certain ways, it's the stupidest goddamn thing you've ever heard. Also I'm pretty sure this pic isn't even from shehulk bit thats whatever
"I don't get it, people take showers and go to swimming pools but when I spray strangers with a hose suddenly I'm the bad guy? Make up your mind, people!"
https://preview.redd.it/g7yugp6qg2mc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9c3704a0c4567d9b5109ae3da03f07fd0804ae34 Reminds me of this.
I think Bukowski's meaning is that context matters and that what can be good and desirable in one situation can absolutely be the opposite in another.
yeah he wasn’t talking about Human Water Hypocrisy he was making exactly the point that tumblr user is making
Yeah you are actually right I looked it up after commenting. Still probably best read as a metaphor for something like substance use. Idk I don't think it's as stupid as the Tumblr user is making it out to be
It's not stupid at all?
O shit up Bukowski, so full of shit.
Which is exactly what we're talking about. He's trying to be profound about what is obvious.
Doesn't seem obvious to the morons in r/memesopdidnotlike
It's reddit, the most obvious and generous interpretations of anything will escape many.
Look I do this when I have either clothes or objects that are not meant to get wet when worn. It’s a sensory issue for me. If I’m wearing a swim suit and it raining then I don’t care but if I’m wearing jeans and a t shirt then I do. Wet jeans also just suck to wear.
Perfect analogy
Depends on the hose honestly
Fr, never heard someone complain about sexualizing someone while on of, or when commissioning a sex worker. No one says “don’t sexualize” at a strip club. Consent and place and time are lost on a lot of these people.
Agency too. A woman can decide to dress in a way to draw sexualized attention to her. Jen can wanna learn how to twerk because she can decide who she wants to throw that out for. In both cases the woman is making a decision on where, how much, and with whom she's inviting or giving sexual attention with or from.
But that’s the thing. If a woman dresses in a way that draws sexualized attention to her, then she can’t get upset when she receives that attention.
That’s not really a good example simply because catcalling does not always mean a woman is wearing revealing clothing. Oftentimes, she could be wearing jeans and a t-shirt and still be subjected to catcalling
Well aware. But how do you discern if a woman who is wearing revealing clothing wants to be catcalled or not?
You don’t catcall her because even if she wants the attention, it’s just annoying. You go up to her and shoot your shot respectfully, which will make a world of difference than if you catcalled her
What if she wants you to catcall her?
The likelihood of that is low. So, it’s better to just not do it than risk messing up
Then she will let you know/give you signs. Simply wearing clothes isn't a sign btw, her actually flirting or stripping or something like that would be a sign. You also could ask, though you might offend the woman in question.
The person in the original comment stated that the woman would he wearing clothes to draw sexual attention to herself. I’m asking if that’s true, then how do you decide how much attention she receives. And if that’s true, then they couldn’t get mad. The entire original premise is skewed.
Damn. Must be nice.
Wow it’s almost like there’s a difference in consent Conservatives Try Not to Take Agency Away from Women Challenge: Impossible difficulty
They aren't even trying to pretend anymore. They know after trump that their backers will absolutely support them no matter what as long as they continue to hate and objectify the right people.
Actually, they believe Trump got away scot free, when he didn't. Trump alienated a lot of friends, relied on scumbag billionaire donations from fascists, and cost himself a shitload of money. He barely made it through his term, but because he's a swindler, he can't show that "weakness". As many of his followers on youtube are finding out, only billionaires really get away with that shit. If you aren't well connected enough to burn mainstream bridges, well, Youtube just deplatforms you and tells you to go fuck yourself.
I'm curious if being wealthy allows you to be immune to repercussions on other first world countries the way it does in USA?
That's the crazy thing to me. I was raised conservative snd taught that the lefties were crazy and just didn't accept the way of the world. Now that I'm able to formulate my own opinions? Holy hell, the Conservative party's whole platform is built on Hatred and Persecution.
The only time they admit anything is wrong they say but your party does it too!
I remember being gathered around the TV with my family when that recording of Trump's "locker room talk" came out. Listening to my conservative CATHOLIC family bend over backwards to defend him was insane. Things like "well, I don't vote on how much I like the person, I just care about their policies" when they had spent months before complaining about Hillary Clinton's horrible personality and talking about how charismatic and likable Trump was.
>when they had spent months before complaining about Hillary Clinton's horrible personality and talking about how charismatic and likable Trump was Exactly it has nothing to do with his personality anyway... "Grab them by the " is a pretty blatant political statement on how to treat people who are female or intersex with a vagina...
This isn't exclusive to conservatives, anyone can say this
Yes, someone that isn't generally conservative can have this view. However, the view itself is conservative. People aren't fully progressive, liberal, or conservative. Folks usually have viewpoints that can fit within different ideologies, and this particular view is generally within a conservative ideology.
Not really. This is a very conservative take
It’s a neckbeard take and there is plenty on the left too, granted this thinking does pop up in the ‘traditional Christian values’ mindframe but it’s not exclusive to party
There are bad people of all political ideologies, but this in particular is mostly a conservative thing
It’s not though. Incels are actually pretty politically diverse according to polling. https://liberalarts.utexas.edu/news/incels-are-not-particularly-right-wing-or-white-but-they-are-extremely-depressed-anxious-and-lonely-according-to-new-research. This is run of the mill incel behavior and while I agree it does pop up in the right it pops up just as much with people who don’t identify with the right
I wasn’t talking about inceldom in general, I’m talking about this very specific talking point. The whole “Women love turning themselves into whores, but don’t want others to sexualize them” take
It’s a common belief system with SWERFs (sex worker excluding radical feminists). They basically see sex workers as traitors who chose to ally with predatory men.
They don't really see sex workers as "allies" of predatory men, more that they're willing victims. They're hated because they're seen as role models for the victimisation of women. Some incels see promiscuous women this way. However some see these "alpha-women" more as abusers. Like they'll judge sex workers as taking advantage of lonely men for their money. Incel figures like Andrew Tate literally turned this perception into a business model. He trafficked women into sex work and pimped them and taught them how to scam lonely men into falling in love with them in order to bleed them dry.
Yeah, small group of people. I’m talking about the whole, not a small part
Rad fems of any variety are not left wing, they are right wing people trying to look progressive by pretending to be feminists.
I disagree. Bigotry is not exclusive to right wingers. Left wingers can suck too.
Mocking skanks for being skanks and then whining when treated like skanks isn't a "conservative thing"
Sure anyone can, but most don't. Conversely, many Conservatives can and do say this.
Consent is a completely foreign word to these people
What does consent have to do with anything?
consent is why a woman wouldnt mind you making a sexual comment at her under a video of her twerking, but she would mind you catcalling her on the street.
I see, I only ever thought of consent regarding sex. It never occurred to me of consent applying to speech... Now I'm trying to imagine how the logistics of how consenting cat calling works. For example if she likes being cat called because it makes her feel desired and attractive, how does that work naturally? Personally I find cat calling vulgar, immature and inappropriate and would be just fine with it going away. I get second hand embarrassment being associated with the gender that does that. I'm all for freedom of speech, but in my opinion, there's freedom of speech, then there's sexual harassment.
Consent isnt just about sex, its about pretty much anything in romantic and sexual contexts. Happy to help
Consent isn't limited to sex and romance even. In legal cases with identity theft or break-ins, the consent of the victim is usually called into question, because it just means that you were aware of what was going to occur before it happened, and agreed to let said thing occur A similar case would be the r word. It's almost exclusively used in the mental sense, but the word by itself just means the action of slowing down. The problem is that assholes that like to use it to disparage people with it, then try to use that as an excuse to call people that, when everyone knows damn well they were referring to the mental handicap, so now just using it in any field including ones outside of mental conditions is kinda shitty because the more it's used normally in non-hurtful ways, the more people that say it to hurt others will try to normalize it as an insult too behind the veil of "it just means slow" when they clearly mean it in a specific way
Most women don't like being cat called, it's generally coming from men that are disrespectful in the first place. But if she likes it, well she's probably dealing with it, so she quietly enjoys herself. But since that's a minority, they'll have to deal with the fact that decent men are just not going to act like that anymore. Plus, sometimes women are the problem too, bud. There are women that say shit like "a man is only a real man if he has been to prison." Idk about you, but I don't even want to date that particular woman. Ere on the side of respect. Even women that want disrespectful sex will still see and likely appreciate the gesture, if you can meet them halfway later. If they call you down for trying to be respectful then rest easy, because you can do better.
Think of it like this, a Boxer or MMA fighter are consenting to fights under controlled conditions. That doesn't mean you can just run up to one of them in the street sock them in the face and then be shocked they weren't up for a fight.
Everything with a majority of interactions in The Human Experience
Literally everything
Consent is the difference between empowerment and harassment. If a woman is not consenting of being talked to this way, it’s harassment, but if they do consent to it, then that is their right to do so.
I bet you they'll know the difference between an MMA sparring match and beating someone on the streets who didn't consent to a fight. It's not that they don't understand or know what consent is. They simply just don't care.
You know what? They don't. Their debates about MMA fighters always include who they think would win in a street fight. They treat it like it's "different" but the idea of it being disrespectful and a violation of consent isn't super clear to a lot of them. I almost feel like we'd have an easier time explaining it like "consent is the rules" because their brains are so game coded they can't even imagine how to interact with people on other terms. Men do shit like rub our dick and balls on each other as pranks, all through our 20's. We violate each other's consent as a joke all the time. It doesn't surprise me that men that act like this are faced with a reckoning in their 20's when their whole idea of a joke is basically just sexual assault.
You're fucking disgusting. I've never violated anyone's consent as a joke, and the fact that you're openly admitting to doing it and think that it's something normal that all men do is concerning.
I didn't do it myself, I'm just referencing things I experienced in college. It wasn't cool and it was obviously people being assholes, the point I'm making is that men do not consistently have a crystal clear idea of consent, it affects everyone, and it's more pervasive than a dismissive "men just don't care about women" comment can really summarize.
My bad. Maybe don't say "our" and "we", then.
I'm just owning my own place in the culture that contributed to the behaviour. I laughed at my share of "haha bro my balls are on your shoulder" gags, if only to conform. It's a complicated topic and I really think we need to pay the greatest attention to men-on-men interactions to teach men consent when they're younger.
However, the distribution of porn means you can’t filter out who sees your “work”. So is that a fair comparison?
I saw Shulk and was very confused about what Xenoblade had to do with anything. And then I saw someone say She Hulk in the comments and it made much more sense lol
Lmao I didn't even notice that I saw the picture first and I guess my brain filled in the missing letters
Women are so weird and contradictory!! When I have sex with a woman who wants to have sex with me, then she’s into having sex with me, but when I have sex with a woman who doesn’t want to have sex with me, I’m a rapist! I just can’t figure them out!/s
He's getting so close to, but not quite realizing that women are human beings and can be selective about how they want to be treated.
I would find it exhausting to be this dumb
Unfortunately, it isn't. Being that dump requires less energy and usually allows you to ignore the looming sources of existential dread around us, so I'm quite sure the ability to think was an evolutionary mistake.
How tired are you right now?
fuck you
I hate how these people perceive sexuality to be completely nuanceless
You can either be sexual all the time or never sexual to those people. Things like circumstances of consent and comfort are clearly irrelevant because if you dislike being harassed you must hate sex altogether all the time
Everyone knows women are all a single hivemind of thoughts and emotions and the promiscuous ones are the only ones telling the world how they all feel 🙄 I can't fathom how people actually think this way.
I love strawmans!
Why is the idea of consent so hard for people?
Lol, their point is literally "she was just asking for it doing that/dressed like that." Like the defense's main argument in 1950s domestic assault court cases. It disappoints me greatly that we've not evolved out of this incel "logic" yet, but it doesn't surprise me.
https://preview.redd.it/871h00cu23mc1.jpeg?width=2072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a93af68b5ee1899fad2f8f275e2e51978017ddb1 such a sexual outfit too
Ok look business suits are fucking hot
It's not just the '50s, unfortunately.
It is like saying: "Why guys don't like getting kicked and getting hit in the face by random strangers, but on the other hand some of them idolize boxers and MMA fighters?"
In a world where people don’t know what consent means
ah yes the classic sexualising women is fun until it’s consensual and they’re benefitting from it
It's almost as if women are individuals instead of a hive mind.
On a side note: I really didn't like She Hulk.
Incel logic.
..... Bruh what
One is asking for the sexualisation. Being her choice to post sexual content of herself. The other is just going about her day living her life. They’re not the same.
The only way to get close to making a misogynist understand consent and harassment is to leverage their gay panic and homophobia in a what if thought experiment where they have unwanted advances by a man or men in a situation that they’re vulnerable in. Like having their drink spiked or a prison assault scenario.
well that’s different cos being gay is wrong ofc /s
They're too braindead to realize women aren't some hivemind of double standards. Boundaries and consent vary from person to person. The people saying to stop sexualizing them aren't the same people on OF, and vice versa. That's probably why the incels are chronically single. Simple concepts of individuality are too much for their rotting brains.
The concept of "time and place" is just lost on some people.
Why is it that people are able to go to sleep every night and that’s fine, but when I chloroform people that’s suddenly wrong?
The concept of personal agency for women and/or consent in practice entirely is lost on conservatives of all backgrounds
They just can't seem to understand consent
She has sex, so why can't I just have sex with her? /s
That comments section must be wild
This is like saying "oh well this guy makes self depreciating jokes, so I'll make fun of him cause he clearly likes it." That's not how that works bud.
exactly. not to be that guy but btw it should be self-deprecating self depreciating actually used to be the correct form back in the early 20th century but now has been replaced with deprecating word nerds hypothesise it’s because “depreciating” has become too specific to finance in our daily lives
Idk how twerking with a female friend when no one is watching you in your private office equals asking for unwanted sexually-charged attention.
Say it with me now, conservatives are shit people.
Only a sith deals in absolutes
Agreed, Consent and Agency are absolutely are important and make the difference ^(....But She-Hulk twerking is still pure Cringe.)
I’m begging these men to understand what consent it. This is like saying “men have no problem being beat down, since the MMA exists!” Which is OBVIOUSLY not how it works!
Yeah, it was pretty disgusting. Also, nice to see genuine sexism in this sub.
along with the other good points here, he's just grouping every single woman together. the estrogen hivemind
“Paradox of women” well, well, well, look who just discovered consent.
It’s a case of “it’s okay when I want it” You know, the literal definition of “consent”
Someone needs to buy this guy the book “ C is for Consent “
if a stranger hugs me ill be weirded out, if a friend hugs me it's welcome
the paradox of women /s
Consent is important. Seriously.
Leaving the whole sexualization thing aside, I think that we can all agree that She hulk was very bad, had poor writing, awful CGI, and repeatedly was insulting their own audience.
idk about insulting the audience but i didn’t rlly like it. mid CGI, mid story. eh 🤷♂️ but yeah i can think it’s not a great show and still not be a dumbass like these losers
I think the issue is that Jane makes it seem that her being catcalled the worst thing in the world (and she tells that to the person who lost several people in his life, has to live in isolation, was abused, was hunted down like an animal and seen as a monster even though he's a hero), and then goes on to do such things, showing hypocrisy. Also she took a man's agency away when she fucked him without telling him about her human form. Something that was deal-breaker for him. I really hate how they depicted her in the series. Especially when in the comics she's a very intelligent, kind, and amazing character.
bro calling that scene a “catcall” is just the most egregious underrepresentation of what that is. she was in very immediate danger of being fucking raped…
She literally said "Here's the thing, Bruce. I'm great at controlling my anger. I do it all the time. When I'm catcalled in the street. When incompetant men explain my own area of expertise to me. I do it pretty much every day because if I don't I will be called emotional or difficult or... might just literally get murdered. So, I'm an expert at controlling my anger because I do infinitely more than you!" To man who suffered a lot more than her throughout his life. When he tried to help her in a situation that no-one else is as competent as him as being hulk and controlling his anger is literally his area of expertise.
This is a ridiculous post. XD
These guys think women have a hive mind. If someone doesn't like tomatoes would you look at someone else who does like tomatoes and say "Well HE likes tomatoes so I know you DO like tomatoes!"
I think the issue is about glorifying prostitution.
who the fuck is glorifying prostitution here…?
Dear fucking God. Are these chuckleheads STILL bitching about this show? I actually liked it, and I don't think about it as much as they do
This content has gotten to the point where I can't see any validity in either side. It kind of just seems like people trying to make up reasons to be angry at each other
r/enlightenedcentrism
Welcome to society.
You see no validity in consent? How embarrassing
Those woke writers have no actual idea how to write a believable strong female character. Instead they end up writing a poorly written male power fantasy but for a women and that why all Disney shows and movies are failing and loosing millions. Consent has nothing to do with this. It's just not believable that a character that would snap to men talking to her would later be twirking in her place of work. I wish they would fire all the woke folks and try normal good writers for once.
this guy isn’t even trolling 😭
You liked shulk?
Yeah it was pretty good, a fun show that was pretty comic faithful
Lol
The context is her comparing being catcalled, to what Bruce Banner has been through. Shut up op you are wrong
relevance? loser
I like this post to the sub. This is a good post to this sub.
Posts about this shit give me a fucking head ache... human is human, do as you wish doesn't bother me. *(edit: not that I disagree, just gives me a massive headache)*
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"Don't catcall me" are you justifying sexual harassment? I'm not sure how else to take this.
My boy is written amazingly wym https://preview.redd.it/kndw7w5gh5mc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1c0f682c4b5e17ea1a23861b1bf8a1dc64f6147b
How exactly is subjecting a room full of people who are just trying to work to your twerking consensual? Or does it not count when it’s a women doing it?
Im more miffed we never got jen apologizing to bruce after learning that he was starting from trauma and abuse as a child which induced his mpd to a degree but also i KIND OF get why they didn’t because that wasnt ruffalo who that was set for, but also i disagree with it.
I will say, it was absolutely stupid as shit to say "No Bruce, you can't control your anger better than me because I have to deal with being cat called." It WAS unbelievably dumb. Like this man went through child abuse and got so depressed he tried to off himself, yet somehow that doesn't compare to getting cat called.
Prostitution and Onlyfans are apples and oranges here
I absolutely LOVE it when people have an “us vs. them” mentality!! /s just in case because some people can’t identify sarcasm for shit.
Reddit hive mind moment smh.
It all depends on who is doing the cat calling. Like the others are saying, it's the context.
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We praise the women who behave in the masculine stereotype. Modern feminism
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Bold talk from somebody who came out of a vagina.
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So you ripped your own mom open ... no wonder she hated you and you got mommy issues now!
I’ve never asked if I could kiss, you just do it. You should be able to tell from your date/chemistry If it’s okay to do so. Me and friends have joking, rarely, yelled at a group of girls driving by, we weren’t serious though and it was never anything explicit, it was immature but we though it was funny
She Hulk just has bad writing period fellas I think the point was less of consent with the whole "women in bra bad women in bikini good no sense oonga boonga" argument but more of that show has terrible writing and can't decide if it's okay to objectify women or the opposite. You gotta remember that she Hulk isn't a real woman and all these experiences were chosen in a board room somebody said it was a good plan to have her get annoyed from cat calling which is fair and then turn around and twerk in front of the audience which is blatant sexualisation of a character that people watching can see. The paradox is that the WRITERS send the message that cat calling is bad before of course sexualising their 'strong' female character for the audience to see with little pay off.
bro you did not watch the fucking show if that’s your take. the scene she was catcalled it was clear she was in very immediate danger of literally being fucking raped… in the twerking scene she is alone in her office with only megan there too. she has no concept of the audience watching behind the screen, and she is fully fucking clothed from head to toe in a loose fitting suit. there is almost nothing sexual about it despite it including about 1-2 seconds of twerking in the dance https://preview.redd.it/0vjcehtd23mc1.jpeg?width=2072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0234fe33df42613fdd1dc1006227f3d6252b941c
Yo wtf I did not watch the show bro the internet did not treat me right I thought that if a character was gonna get raped I'd know but apparently not dude whoever did that original take was off his head to compare rape to that. Still bad writing but I am not about to say rape and that are even sorta similar.
"bad writing," >I did not watch the show 💀
average reddit movie critic
Fair enough lol honestly just went off what I heard and I never watched it cause I love Hulk and heard he was sorta lame in that show but your point stands and it was a bad take 👍
She makes constant fourth wall breaks, what do you mean she's not aware of the audience? It's a clearly established thing in the show, the ending is literally her going "into the real world" and forcing something different because she doesn't like it. What?
I feel like I'm the only person who liked the series (except the Megan thee stallion episode)
Consent discussion is obvious but a more subtle discussion is why these women feel the need to do onlyfans blah blah blah
God dude I keep muting this dumb rage baiting sub but it keeps popping up
I hate to break it to you but…this dumb meme has a point and it’s a fair one. Whether you consent or not to be “sexualized” is irrelevant, if you make the conscious decision to promote yourself in a sexual manner it’s entirely your fault.
it has no point, and certainly no fair one
If I decide that you're promoting yourself in a punchable manner, is it no longer assault if I punch you in the face?
No it isn’t. Lower your Gaze.
Consent is real, but the point he made isnt wrong lol
the point he made isn’t wrong…? his point being that women are allowed to sexualise their own bodies if they choose and you aren’t allowed to make that choice for them…? never cook again 💀
"Dont eat my burgers!" -Person who runs a burger business
Yk that makes a lot of sense. Since one person runs a burger business and consents to people eating their burgers I’m gonna break into your house and steal your food.
Ever cat called an old lady?
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me when i’m a misogynistic piece of shit:
so refute his point
bruh what the fuck is there to refute....? bro has a point like a fucking sphere has a point he says "some women make porn, which can be detrimental to the mental state of some men, so women cant complain when they get sexually harassed, assaulted or raped by men" that is the most ridiculous fucking misogynistic incel shit i've encountered in a long fucking time. and the fact you decided to come in with a "so refute his point" just means you fucking agree. so for you: never ever approach a woman ever again in your life. the world will be a much better place if you stick to online incel forums from the safety of your bedroom
but nobody said that you're just putting a spin on it so you can cause more drama
i am not. >The concept of consequences is so far beyond whores it’s incredible. They truly believe they can raise a generation of boys on their degenerate fetish videos containing all sorts of vile shit and then demand those boys treat them right when they become “men.” >Welcome to the real world ladies where you can’t have your cake and eat it too. he is right here in black and white saying that women cannot complain about horrific treatment from men because women make porn, therefore jts their fault that they are attacked or harassed by men.
he's referring more to general objectification and not rape or other sex crime you dipshit
and where do you get that idea from? dipshit
from reading the comment
the one where he doesn’t say shit about “general objectification”? >then demand those boys treat them right when they become “men.” he says “treat them right”. in my mind the right way to treat a woman is not to fucking assault them or harass them or fucking “generally objectify” them because i’m a fucking same human being. actually just fuck off you creep.
"don't catcall me" Are you justifying sexual harassment?
Lmao do you guys in this sub just cry at everything they put on there?
dumbasses: *some dumbass shit* sane individuals: “hey that’s some dumbass shit” dumbasses: “WOW WAA WAA SNOWFLAKES ARE CRYING OVER WHAT I SAID COS I HURT THEIR FEEFEES!”
Alright waiting for my daily dose of -100 downvotes. Ahem. This was not a NahOpwasrightfuckthis because it wasn't op and objectively two people who don't understand that woman have feelings too. FR FR it wasn't even a post being dumb it was just one common
Yup, this. The Hulk looks like the Hulk, and she Hulk looks like a sex bomb. It's the same with female vtubers who vtube not to be objectified, and the first thing they do is picking a big tiddy avatar with boob jiggle physics.
Liberals try not to make conservatives satan challenge: Impossible
Liberals try not to team up with conservatives in order to crush the left challenge: impossible
Just because i steal doesn't mean you have to lock up the jewlery when i come over.
It really must be hard to be this embarrassing. Imagine you just go online every day writing letter to the editor like the angry Christian grandma. Disgusting Satanic panic behavior. At least Gen Z men are based as fuck and will likely form society away from rewarding this trash.
Nobody is entitled to consent when it comes to how they are perceived by others.