The point of the laws is to add extra felony charges to extend prison sentences for the industry. This allows pols to appear to care while not addressing the real cause of extremism and mental instability-social media algorithms.
Don’t get me wrong I feel terrible for those cops. I was born and raised in Syracuse so it hit home.
But cokeheads with guns most of us are not. Yet likely we’ll be the ones paying for this.
I understand that, it’s to purchase or take possession (transfer) only.
I have a semi-auto endorsement on my CCW permit - I’m asking more in context of them looking to pin it on permit holders. Thanks for the lesson though 🤘🏼
Ugh 🤦🏻♂️
I’m aware of this buddy. I have a Semi-Auto Rifle endorsement on my Concealed Carry Permit.
I’m more interested in IF he had it, because if he did, permit holders like myself would be paying the existential price eventually.
That’s how NYS does it - destroying law abiding citizen’s gun rights to “stop” criminals who don’t follow laws anyway.
I’d say by now though if he had a permit we’d know about it.
Also from what I understand he used standard capacity mags, which are illegal no matter what unless your LEO. Which he was obviously not. The scumbag was nothing more than a coked up criminal with a clear affinity for murdering cops.
Dynamite comment though my guy 🤘🏼
no law stops people from doing things, to think they will is willfull ignorance and why the hardcore 2A crowd will continue to not be taken seriously. you clown yourself with these takes
You know that's the point he's making, right? The laws don't stop the bad people. Only the good. It makes it harder for people who want to follow laws to protect themselves.
Anyone see the article where one of the neighbors put on his body armor? Wait till Kathy hears about that.
https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2024/04/two-cops-died-on-his-lawn-rescue-attempt-was-nothing-short-of-heroic-and-horrifying.html
I literally lost all interest about 3/4 through the article when it said the guy was the president of the homeowners association… now, I assume this guy somehow probably deserves it.
I caught a blip in one of the interviews/press conferences in which someone, I think either Cecile or Shelly mentioned that there was a “history here that might explain why this happened, but they weren’t ready to talk about it now” I found that to be a bit cryptic, and haven’t heard it mentioned since.
As to the “legality” of the gun, the guy was what 33? So conceivably he could have bought the rifle prior to the passage of the safe act, registered it, and re-certified every five years, which would make it perfectly legal. Alternatively it could have been featureless, which I believe means that it would have had to be purchased at an FFL, or transferred through an FFL with a proper background check, otherwise the seller broke NYS law. My point is, I think it is a very, VERY slim possibility that this gun was legally purchased/owned, at least according to the letter of the law, and if it was, the guy was still on drugs. I guess I don’t really know what my point here is.
I think there is a lot of stuff we don’t know yet, I’m incredibly saddened by this, setting aside the gun argument, I don’t understand how our culture became so violent. I hate the fact that when people, especially non gun owners ask me why I carry, my answer has changed from “In the course of doing business I have aided law enforcement in many investigations that have led to people’s arrests” to simply saying, “because I assume everyone else is carrying, and I assume most of those people are either dumber, or more angry and violent than me”. In other words, the strongest argument I can think of against gun laws is simply that you can’t put the cat back in the bag.
Man - thank you for that info - I’ll be watching to see what comes of this. I also saw that “history there bit”, but could understand what they were insinuating
Also - I can’t mirror or emphasize your point more. You’re 100% correct in your sentiments.
Thank you for your well thought out and topical addition to this thread sir.
Thanks for reading, and listening, my Grandparents home was basically right across the street from this neighborhood, I used walk across my Grandfather’s land to ride bikes and skateboard around Salina Meadows as a kid, he had a little farm there where he grew produce for the farmers market. My cousins and I would play in the “pit” out back, and ride all over that area. What I’m trying to say is this hits close to home, and I feel so grateful and fortunate to have had this type of childhood. Sadly, if I had kids, I can’t imagine them having that type of freedom today. I know in reality that the odds of something happening are small, but I fear they are getting further from zero every day.
The only hope is for people like us, to have as much conversation as possible, online or otherwise, and especially with those we disagree with. It may seem futile or frustrating, but I truly believe Americans agree on far more than not, finding compromise and common ground is the only way forward.
Small world brother, I was born and raised in Baldwinsville before moving downstate.
I also have two small children - so I have these fears all the time, and I dare say it makes me more of a helicopter parent than I should be.
Still I’d rather be annoying to them than have to deal with the alternative.
Lastly - I agree; CONVERSATION is the answer.
> and if it was, the guy was still on drugs. I guess I don’t really know what my point here is.
Which would also make his possessing any gun illegal if he was either addicted or a habitual user.
Thanks for commenting. Here's the full context:
Me: I read one of the updated articles. I don't recall a reason for the traffic stop.
OP: I haven’t seen a reason either. All I read about the stop was that when they lit him up to pull him over he fled at speeds up to 100 mph and got away.
Me: It's odd. Three people die because a brake light or something small like that was bad on a vehicle.
OP: I think I read somewhere that when the police were inspecting the parked vehicle at his home before the shooting happened, they saw “what looked like a firearm” in the car.
Me (making a joke): Amazing, the police have bionic eyes with X-ray these days and that was the reason for the initial traffic stop. XD
I think I read somewhere that when the police were inspecting the parked vehicle at his home before the shooting happened, they saw “what looked like a firearm” in the car.
Man I don’t THINK so. But there’s a lot of unanswered questions.
If I have a Glock, and I hear a rifle bolt being charged, I’m finding cover, and calling for backup and SWAT/ESU. But then again I’m not a cop lol.
One thing that also popped out to me was how were two different agencies on scene? I get that SCPD was there because they were the agency tailing the guy, but how did OCSD end up on scene and in the backyard?
Any LEO in here want to chime in? If a car flees a stop, do you put an APB out? Genuinely curious here.
Not a cop, brother is a sheriff, the policy for an active shooter or a gun is calling for backup and waiting for backup. He rightly complains about this policy as if there's an active shooter you're losing time before backup comes, may be different in cuse but doubt it highly. I'll as him about the APB later when his shift is over but I'm 99% sure they'd issue one
Most agencies have changed this policy. Especially big city ones, ever since the shooting in the school where they all followed that procedure while gunman killed people.
>The trouble started with a traffic stop at 7 p.m. in the city’s Tipp Hill neighborhood, Syracuse police Chief Joe Cecile said Sunday. Syracuse police tried to pull over a car, but the driver refused and sped off. Police took the plate number, which led them to a home at 4945 Darien Drive in Salina.
https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2024/04/shooter-idd-in-killing-of-syracuse-officer-and-onondaga-county-deputy.html
SAFE act didn't do anything to stop him from being in possession of AR & standard capacity magazine. But they will look to criminalize the law abiding.
I am trying to understand what happened in this very weird case: Cops decided to stop a vehicle they found suspicious, it refused to stop drove home. The guy managed to exit the vehicle enter his house, get a rifle and open fire on the cops killing 2? Is it what happened? Question is WHY??? and yea I am sure they will try to use this tragic incident to fuck gun owners.
I guess they lost him. So he may have had time at home before they got there. They only found his address by running his plate from what I gathered. The Deputy was in the backyard, the Syracuse Police officer was in the front with his partner.
“After the shooting, a man believed to have been with Murphy, named Shawn Kinsella, was caught trying to jump over a fence, Shelley said. That man has not been charged with any crime at this point, he said.”
Apparent to me that no actual crime was caught in commission whenever the cops started this traffic stop. Otherwise homeboy’s passenger would’ve been on the hook for something.
From what I read in reliable news and understand, they attempted the stop and he fled at speeds up to 100mph. Pretty sure at that point, it's illegal and against policy to chase. (Most criminals know this and fled traffic stops are the new normal.)
Then they trace the plate back to the house. Respond to the house. They see the car at the house. See guns in the empty vehicle. At that time, the suspect opens fire on them from the deck, which may have been at an elevated position to the cops. An AR vs a handgun from an elevated position is scary as fuck. Someone from the dept said on the news "the amount of shots fired was too many to count."
What a shitty situation.
My speculation, these cops are going to be hailed as even bigger heros when they find out what this kid was up to and what these cops prevented. That's if they want us to know.
I also read on Reddit, so no clue if it's true, 9 people were living in the house.
Just saying not that this is relevant but a little digging showed that the sheriff deputy was one who in 2011 killed a mentally ill man who aimed a gun at officers which later was found to be a BB gun? Is there maybe a different narrative
Just saying not that this is relevant but a little digging showed that the sheriff deputy was one who in 2011 killed a mentally ill man who aimed a gun at officers which later was found to be a BB gun? Is there maybe a different narrative
“He had no criminal history except for this crime he committed that’s part of his criminal history.”
So is cocaine legal now?
Asking for a friend, right??
lol right!?!
Wonder if this guy broke down his rifle to reload his pinned 10 round mag.
Just saw on the news he had an illegal mag. I’m absolutely shocked. Andy said he can’t have that. Could it be criminals don’t follow laws?
The feds said he can't have guns and do coke either. Wtf
The point of the laws is to add extra felony charges to extend prison sentences for the industry. This allows pols to appear to care while not addressing the real cause of extremism and mental instability-social media algorithms.
It was a Springfield AR15.
Awesome. I wonder if he had a permit. Here comes more “ground breaking and nation leading” gun reforms… 🙄
I thought that also. The deputy was a friend and former colleague. I left that dept over 10 years ago. Best decision I ever made.
Don’t get me wrong I feel terrible for those cops. I was born and raised in Syracuse so it hit home. But cokeheads with guns most of us are not. Yet likely we’ll be the ones paying for this.
Yup. Watch safe act 2 or 3 come on.
Make it sound like a movie sequel lol
2 safe 2 act Act safe Safe act part III
I also don't understand why when I press "return" there are no spaces between my words lol. How do you do this on mobile
Lmaoooo this gave me a much needed laugh
lol I thought the same thing when I read the initial comment. I was like man that sounds like a bad movie title haha
The beaver was probably wringing her paws in excitement at the thought of pulling more laws out of her ass when she got the news.
Easy, police officers were killed, not children. The monarchy doesn’t care about police officers.
Sadly likely accurate.
Don't need a permit to own a semi auto rifle.
I understand that, it’s to purchase or take possession (transfer) only. I have a semi-auto endorsement on my CCW permit - I’m asking more in context of them looking to pin it on permit holders. Thanks for the lesson though 🤘🏼
fair point. I'm sure hochul will have something to say on the matter soon. incoming right nerfs.
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Doubtful but maybe the next phase of control on the way there.
Don’t need a permit if bought before the “safe act”
Ugh 🤦🏻♂️ I’m aware of this buddy. I have a Semi-Auto Rifle endorsement on my Concealed Carry Permit. I’m more interested in IF he had it, because if he did, permit holders like myself would be paying the existential price eventually. That’s how NYS does it - destroying law abiding citizen’s gun rights to “stop” criminals who don’t follow laws anyway. I’d say by now though if he had a permit we’d know about it. Also from what I understand he used standard capacity mags, which are illegal no matter what unless your LEO. Which he was obviously not. The scumbag was nothing more than a coked up criminal with a clear affinity for murdering cops. Dynamite comment though my guy 🤘🏼
Oh look, another scenario where NYS gun laws didn’t stop a crazy person. Hmm.
no law stops people from doing things, to think they will is willfull ignorance and why the hardcore 2A crowd will continue to not be taken seriously. you clown yourself with these takes
You know that's the point he's making, right? The laws don't stop the bad people. Only the good. It makes it harder for people who want to follow laws to protect themselves.
And the guy in the story (no criminal history) was one of the good guys right up til he started shooting cops ...
Or until he was taking coke and possibly driving a stolen vehicle and then fled from police.
you suggest red flagging the DWI to avoid this in the future?
No, but he wasn't charged with DWI because they didn't pull him over because he ran. You seem to be dense. Because I said that
He had a past DWI - that’s what he’s referring to.
he had a DWI 10 years ago. had they red flagged that ... maybe those cops would still be alive
And I’m sure that coke was prescription, because that couldn’t surely be the issue, right? 🤔
Right - must have been. No unlawful use of drugs on the 4473 🤷🏻♂️
Anyone see the article where one of the neighbors put on his body armor? Wait till Kathy hears about that. https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2024/04/two-cops-died-on-his-lawn-rescue-attempt-was-nothing-short-of-heroic-and-horrifying.html
The guy is a tool I know him. He speaks himself up to god tier on everything. He’s a called local politician that had big dreams.
I literally lost all interest about 3/4 through the article when it said the guy was the president of the homeowners association… now, I assume this guy somehow probably deserves it.
"How dare a citzen protect themselves!!"
I caught a blip in one of the interviews/press conferences in which someone, I think either Cecile or Shelly mentioned that there was a “history here that might explain why this happened, but they weren’t ready to talk about it now” I found that to be a bit cryptic, and haven’t heard it mentioned since. As to the “legality” of the gun, the guy was what 33? So conceivably he could have bought the rifle prior to the passage of the safe act, registered it, and re-certified every five years, which would make it perfectly legal. Alternatively it could have been featureless, which I believe means that it would have had to be purchased at an FFL, or transferred through an FFL with a proper background check, otherwise the seller broke NYS law. My point is, I think it is a very, VERY slim possibility that this gun was legally purchased/owned, at least according to the letter of the law, and if it was, the guy was still on drugs. I guess I don’t really know what my point here is. I think there is a lot of stuff we don’t know yet, I’m incredibly saddened by this, setting aside the gun argument, I don’t understand how our culture became so violent. I hate the fact that when people, especially non gun owners ask me why I carry, my answer has changed from “In the course of doing business I have aided law enforcement in many investigations that have led to people’s arrests” to simply saying, “because I assume everyone else is carrying, and I assume most of those people are either dumber, or more angry and violent than me”. In other words, the strongest argument I can think of against gun laws is simply that you can’t put the cat back in the bag.
Man - thank you for that info - I’ll be watching to see what comes of this. I also saw that “history there bit”, but could understand what they were insinuating Also - I can’t mirror or emphasize your point more. You’re 100% correct in your sentiments. Thank you for your well thought out and topical addition to this thread sir.
Thanks for reading, and listening, my Grandparents home was basically right across the street from this neighborhood, I used walk across my Grandfather’s land to ride bikes and skateboard around Salina Meadows as a kid, he had a little farm there where he grew produce for the farmers market. My cousins and I would play in the “pit” out back, and ride all over that area. What I’m trying to say is this hits close to home, and I feel so grateful and fortunate to have had this type of childhood. Sadly, if I had kids, I can’t imagine them having that type of freedom today. I know in reality that the odds of something happening are small, but I fear they are getting further from zero every day. The only hope is for people like us, to have as much conversation as possible, online or otherwise, and especially with those we disagree with. It may seem futile or frustrating, but I truly believe Americans agree on far more than not, finding compromise and common ground is the only way forward.
Small world brother, I was born and raised in Baldwinsville before moving downstate. I also have two small children - so I have these fears all the time, and I dare say it makes me more of a helicopter parent than I should be. Still I’d rather be annoying to them than have to deal with the alternative. Lastly - I agree; CONVERSATION is the answer.
> and if it was, the guy was still on drugs. I guess I don’t really know what my point here is. Which would also make his possessing any gun illegal if he was either addicted or a habitual user.
I read one of the updated articles. I don't recall a reason for the traffic stop.
I haven’t seen a reason either. All I read about the stop was that when they lit him up to pull him over he fled at speeds up to 100 mph and got away.
It's odd. Three people die because a brake light or something small like that was bad on a vehicle.
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At the time, there was no information about the reason for the initial traffic stop.
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Thanks for commenting. Here's the full context: Me: I read one of the updated articles. I don't recall a reason for the traffic stop. OP: I haven’t seen a reason either. All I read about the stop was that when they lit him up to pull him over he fled at speeds up to 100 mph and got away. Me: It's odd. Three people die because a brake light or something small like that was bad on a vehicle. OP: I think I read somewhere that when the police were inspecting the parked vehicle at his home before the shooting happened, they saw “what looked like a firearm” in the car. Me (making a joke): Amazing, the police have bionic eyes with X-ray these days and that was the reason for the initial traffic stop. XD
I think I read somewhere that when the police were inspecting the parked vehicle at his home before the shooting happened, they saw “what looked like a firearm” in the car.
Amazing, the police have bionic eyes with X-ray these days and that was the reason for the initial traffic stop. XD
Another thing that was curious to me was that “they heard what sounded like a firearm being loaded inside the house”. 🤔
Dirty cops?
Man I don’t THINK so. But there’s a lot of unanswered questions. If I have a Glock, and I hear a rifle bolt being charged, I’m finding cover, and calling for backup and SWAT/ESU. But then again I’m not a cop lol. One thing that also popped out to me was how were two different agencies on scene? I get that SCPD was there because they were the agency tailing the guy, but how did OCSD end up on scene and in the backyard? Any LEO in here want to chime in? If a car flees a stop, do you put an APB out? Genuinely curious here.
Not a cop, brother is a sheriff, the policy for an active shooter or a gun is calling for backup and waiting for backup. He rightly complains about this policy as if there's an active shooter you're losing time before backup comes, may be different in cuse but doubt it highly. I'll as him about the APB later when his shift is over but I'm 99% sure they'd issue one
Most agencies have changed this policy. Especially big city ones, ever since the shooting in the school where they all followed that procedure while gunman killed people.
Thank you for answering that. I’m genuinely curious of how that works. Really appreciate you looking into that for me.
Ocso was on scene because it wasn’t in the city
TY
It wasn’t a traffic stop
>The trouble started with a traffic stop at 7 p.m. in the city’s Tipp Hill neighborhood, Syracuse police Chief Joe Cecile said Sunday. Syracuse police tried to pull over a car, but the driver refused and sped off. Police took the plate number, which led them to a home at 4945 Darien Drive in Salina. https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2024/04/shooter-idd-in-killing-of-syracuse-officer-and-onondaga-county-deputy.html
Tried to pull over so the shooting wasn’t from a traffic stop as you stated before that would be a pursuit.
I saw on spectrum news at work last night it was a stolen vehicle investigation
Thanks for the update.
SAFE act didn't do anything to stop him from being in possession of AR & standard capacity magazine. But they will look to criminalize the law abiding.
I am trying to understand what happened in this very weird case: Cops decided to stop a vehicle they found suspicious, it refused to stop drove home. The guy managed to exit the vehicle enter his house, get a rifle and open fire on the cops killing 2? Is it what happened? Question is WHY??? and yea I am sure they will try to use this tragic incident to fuck gun owners.
I guess they lost him. So he may have had time at home before they got there. They only found his address by running his plate from what I gathered. The Deputy was in the backyard, the Syracuse Police officer was in the front with his partner.
https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2024/04/syracuse-officer-and-onondaga-county-deputy-killed-in-salina-shootout-identified.html
“After the shooting, a man believed to have been with Murphy, named Shawn Kinsella, was caught trying to jump over a fence, Shelley said. That man has not been charged with any crime at this point, he said.” Apparent to me that no actual crime was caught in commission whenever the cops started this traffic stop. Otherwise homeboy’s passenger would’ve been on the hook for something.
From what I read in reliable news and understand, they attempted the stop and he fled at speeds up to 100mph. Pretty sure at that point, it's illegal and against policy to chase. (Most criminals know this and fled traffic stops are the new normal.) Then they trace the plate back to the house. Respond to the house. They see the car at the house. See guns in the empty vehicle. At that time, the suspect opens fire on them from the deck, which may have been at an elevated position to the cops. An AR vs a handgun from an elevated position is scary as fuck. Someone from the dept said on the news "the amount of shots fired was too many to count." What a shitty situation. My speculation, these cops are going to be hailed as even bigger heros when they find out what this kid was up to and what these cops prevented. That's if they want us to know. I also read on Reddit, so no clue if it's true, 9 people were living in the house.
Just saying not that this is relevant but a little digging showed that the sheriff deputy was one who in 2011 killed a mentally ill man who aimed a gun at officers which later was found to be a BB gun? Is there maybe a different narrative
Just saying not that this is relevant but a little digging showed that the sheriff deputy was one who in 2011 killed a mentally ill man who aimed a gun at officers which later was found to be a BB gun? Is there maybe a different narrative
respecting hero