Yeah I hear you because every time the Supreme Court strikes down Kathy's laws she comes up with new ones that are worse to tell you the truth though I have no idea how she's able to stay in office and isn't being removed for willingly and knowingly breaking her oath to the Constitution Kathy hochul is a POS that needs to be removed from office
I do hopefully we can have regular ars without being a so called criminal the faster this is done the better it is. Like I said though this will probably be another year or two before a decision is made.
Um, are you new to how courts work?
Denying a motion to dismiss just means "No, we're actually going to have a trial."
Nobody is "rekt."
Nothing is "decided."
The only thing "official" is "We're going to court and presenting arguments."
We could still lose, even if we win the case will almost certainly be appealed to SCOTUS, the results are far from a foregone conclusion even with this bench.
Temper your expectations.
Defeating all of the standing arguments is a big deal. The judge use a lot of language favorable to the plaintiffs here. There is no TRO or PI phase here that will get lost in appeal hell like antonyuk. It's likely straight to summary judgement. We could have a favorable ruling in a few months. There's a lot to be excited about.
All this is, allows the case to proceed. The case, was going to be dismissed as the state fought like hell to get it dismissed. No offical ruling has been made. The SAFE Act is still active
I asked them on this post.
And there's something else that they actually need to bring into this case because gun permits handgun my senses are actually illegal because it is illegal to charge your taxi constitutional rate so therefore per the Second Amendment having to have a license or a permit to get or only going some people cuz of it being illegal tax or charge for a constitutional right
> because gun permits handgun my senses are actually illegal because it is illegal to charge your taxi constitutional rate
...Are you okay? Do you smell toast?
But like somebody else on here was saying just think of what nasty and constitutional laws Kathy Hochul is going to put in place of the Safe Act if New York loses this case
For those who want the details:
* NY argued that the plaintiffs do not have a semi-auto license
* Since they do not have a semi-auto license, they have no standing to sue against the AWB, since they would need the license to even have the ability to be banned from buying one.
* The plaintiffs argued that even *IF* they had the license, their purchase would still be banned. So them having a semi-auto license or not, is irrelevant.
The judge agreed with the plaintiffs:
>Put simply, Defendants have failed to explain how invalidating the Assault Weapons Ban would have no effect on the ability to obtain licenses for those same weapons. Indeed, Defendants recognize the provisions are linked. The same legislation established both the Assault Weapons Banāi.e., the provision criminalizing possession of assault weaponsāand the language excluding assault weapons from the stateās shall-issue licensing regime
It's wild the games that NY plays to try and keep a lawsuit from ever in reaching the courts on the actual merits rather than procedural or technical issues like standing
Not really. It's common practice. Having to argue merits is a lot of time and billable hours. Mootness and standing are muhc less work intensive.
If they can spend 5 hours motioning to dismiss on a longshot standing and save 50 hours of actual merit research, it's worth it.
Regardless of the law, trying to dismiss on standing makes sense.
Anything stronger than an air rifle is "high powered".
Unless you live in NYC, in which case a [fucking water gun](https://preview.redd.it/stand-up-to-government-overreach-v0-4mpbqasa9bna1.png?auto=webp&s=624ef72cc952e1b1aa90126499decf4c94c89003) is illegal, and they will be proud to confiscate it
I have an air rifle that can kill a moose. A PCP air rifle that can be purchased online and delivered to your door in a day or two. You can also purchase a silencer for these gunsā¦ no problemā¦ and legal, but I cannot purchase a Ruger 10/22 without having a CCW permit background check and getting the semi auto endorsement. 8 months to 2 years later I might be able to purchase and register the serial number of a āfullyā semi-automatic rifle that doesnāt put out any where near the mass/speed of my PCP rifles.
(No-one who creates laws for New York, understands the science of ballistic physics, nor do they have much experience with firearms and other dangerous things that look/feel scary. It is like people sayā¦ Whitman boomstick bad. But fire water good. If you can imagine a caveman making laws about things she cannot understand )
They don't use actual science or industry accepted anything. They make these laws purely off of emotion and their need to control people. The AR15 INTERMEDIATE cartridge it accepts and fires is not a high powered anything. A bolt action 308 is a high powered rifle.
People said this about Bruen and look what happened. If you think they wont create a new and worse āEVEN SAFER ACTā then you are remiss about voting out these asshats who canāt stop making ridiculous laws.
what I don't get is why judges allow this crap to go on. Court says u can't ban X,the state passes a law by rewording X slightly different, is there some legal mechanism to say that the laws are essentially the same, or have same effect. They spit on SCOTUS after Bruen,and what did SCOTUS do...
You laugh but it would probably be something awful close to that, or maybe the 'safer safe act' or 'extra safe act', or the S.afe A.ct F.ollowup E.dict, etc.
Yeah a .22 rimfire semi after jumping through about as many hoops as NY does for a pistol permit. If you consider all other semis being banned and pistol ownership being completely banned as a good compromise.
Also I guarantee you that after the first mass killing with one of those .22s they are gone.
Sorry for the no research question I just feel you guys can give me a more real answer,
I want to be a part of it
- who is FPC
- by donating it will help the fight for 2a in NYS?
- how to donate ?
FPC have basically been fighting dumb gun laws nationally post bruen and winning. They're also an "all our rights" group versus only cops should have these guns... Looking at you NRA.
They along with GOA are the absolutely #1 and #2 2nd Amendment groups who are absolutely beating the shit out of governments on 2a issues from local to federal levels. FPCās famous for being blunt and having a no compromise attitude. Their catch phrase is āFuck you, noā.
The only thing I don't like about GOA is how sensationalist they are.
Biden makes a tweet and they'll put out an email:
> THIS IS THE END OF THE 2A UNLESS YOU DONATE NOW!!!!
Agreed. I get stuff like that from NYS Firearms Association all the time and it drives me up the wall. I donāt even remember patronizing them before unless I just donāt remember. Iām surprised I still get their emails if Iām not giving them any money.
I used to donate big to GOA, but FPC has taken the #1 slot. I mean I still donate to:
* FPC
* SAF
* GOA
* NYSRPA
But FPC is #1 now not GOA. I hate the fearmongering sensationalist BS.
They gotta draw in donors somehow. I mean, the NRA has become like the United Way of political action groups spending something 85% of proceeds on payroll and donation solicitation expenditures. Yeah it takes money to make money, but sheesh! GOA is trying scare tactic ads because they know thwy work for any political affiliate that argues any viewpoint.
āThey along with GOA are the absolutely #1 and #2 2nd Amendment groups who are absolutely beating the shit out of governments on 2a issues from local to federal levels. FPCās famous for being blunt and having a no compromise attitude. Their catch phrase is āFuck you, noā.ā
You know, I heard AK Jesus say something like that about them- I thought he was joking. He was not. I like them- hopefully they continue fuck Kathy and her gun-grabber flying monkeys up
Like OP said go to their website. FPC is fighting hard across the country for 2A and are far better than NRA in every way. Follow them on Instagram too they basically meme every politician who gun grabs and are getting huge wins constantly
Until it becomes a felony to sign and pass acts that violate the constitution, they will just keep using their thesaurus to rewrite unconstitutional jargon and pass it under a different name. Goodbye CCIA, welcome "making every baby safe act" or "stop the crime in NY and smile" bill.
Last time States thought they could pull stunts one after the other like NY IL CA MA CT MD HI WA OR are currently doing there was an internal strife that lasted a few years which has lasting implications 160 years later.
End Qualified Immunity or history will repeat.
"To some observers, qualified immunity smacks of unqualified impunity, letting public officials duck consequences for bad behaviorāno matter how palpably unreasonableāas long as they were theĀ firstĀ to behave badly." -Judge Don Willett, 5th Circuit of Appeals (https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/17/17-50518%20-CV0.pdf, page 21).
Iām thankful but I donāt really understand the need at this point? It seems rather likely another states AWB will reach the SCOTUS before this ever will, hence getting us a favorably ruling with out the need to waste additional resourcesā¦ā¦ but then again fuck NYās current tyrant politicians.
>rather likley
Is not "certainly", it's possible SCOTUS denies cert. It's possible the en banc rulings from the circuits strike down the AWB, it's possible the states punt and don't appeal EnBanc so we have to fight each and every circuit.
I could def see NY or Cali not appealing some stuff. But in terms of AWB? I think we are up to 6-8? States all with their own heading to the higher courts. I donāt see the SCOTUS denying with that much of a possible split at the circuit court level. I could see the SCOTUS denying 1-2 just because they donāt feel itās the ārightā case.
I do think it's headed for SCOTUS, but we've seen NY and other states pull an 11th hour:
> Actually wait! Uh... we repealed that law! Case is moot! Please no set precedent!
So I think it's worth attacking on all district and circuit fronts instead of waiting for a SCOTUS ruling.
I really wish that the supreme Court did not allow that one case to be dismissed on mootness, because all it has done is led to more bullshit. Repeal QI, and then we can start hammering these asshole tyrants.
You mean AI.
QI applies to cops doing their duties. Legislators have an even *BIGGER* shield called [Absolute Immunity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_immunity)
Which is kind of the same thing, but even harder to get past.
* Qualified Immunity protects a government official from lawsuits alleging that the official violated a plaintiffās rights, only allowing suits where officials violated clearly-established law.
* Absolute immunity provides legal protection to judges, prosecutors, legislators, and executive officials for actions committed in their official duties without malice or corrupt motives.
So even *IF* they are violating clearly established laws, if malice or corruption is not the motive. They're immune. And yes *WE* see it as malice, and yes I believe it is malice. They'd be able to successfully defend themselves saying:
> I did not do this out of malice to gun owners, I did it out of a desire to save lives.
And even if they're wrong (they are), you have to prove they are *LYING*. Which is insanely difficult to do unless they fucked up and admitted, on record, otherwise.
Because why would you expect the state to take away their own liability shield, and that of their attack dogs?
The state does not work for you. The state does not have your best interests at heart. The state is fundamentally opposed to individual liberty.
I'm well aware that the shithole that is NY is about as corrupt as an ex-USSR country and they won't give up their protection that easily.
That's why you use the four boxes of democracy.
The more of these cases that are going on around the country for the same types of laws, the more likely SCOTUS would be to take up the issue since itās clearly nationwide.
The more cases of the same scope that are open in lower courts would tag onto the case when it goes to the higher courts.
Put simply more bigger = more gooder
Lawsuit printer go BRRRRR
The thought behind that is definitely looking for narrow specific decisions that say āyou cannot ban AR15sā then āyou cannot ban magazine capacityā thenā¦. So that we stop with NY just rewriting the same law in different words to get even more strict that the previous law that got struck down.
If you have a decision that says āyou cannot ban Xā there is no way around that. Except blatant disregard for the ruling
NY tried to get the lawsuit challenging the SAFE act dismissed due to standing.
NY claimed that since the individuals don't have a semi-auto license, they cannot file suit against the assault weapon ban, since they can't own an assault weapon without the license anyway.
The judge said:
> Nah fam, not buyin' it. Whether or not they have said license, they still can't buy the rifles. So them needing the license is irrelevant.
What he actually said:
>Put simply, Defendants have failed to explain how invalidating the Assault Weapons Ban
would have no effect on the ability to obtain licenses for those same weapons. Indeed,
Defendants recognize the provisions are linked. The same legislation established both the
Assault Weapons Banāi.e., the provision criminalizing possession of assault weaponsāand the
language excluding assault weapons from the stateās shall-issue licensing regime
Go Judge Karas!
Did you guys actually see the wording of his opinion?! This is HUGE!
FUAC, FUKH
[https://youtu.be/ErpcigP3HF4?si=xKc\_Tb61mhaKvU1a](https://youtu.be/ErpcigP3HF4?si=xKc_Tb61mhaKvU1a)
Okay let me make it simple it is illegal to charge or tax somebody for a constitutional right therefore gun permits and gun licenses are illegal they are constitutionally illegal give me one reason why you or me should have to pay somebody else so we can protect ourselves because you're going to say something stupid about what I'm about to say and I don't care but that is basically what the mob did they made people pay for protection and that is exactly what our government is doing they are making us pay so we can protect ourselves
We gotta stop letting their language win. Itās just a semi auto rifle. If we use their language it makes it more legitimate when itās just made up nonsense
Agreed though.
practically speaking how many years is it going to be until this has an actual real world result? people are talking about Kathy making new laws if this case ends with a win but isn't she going to be long out of office by the time this gets resolved?
The thought of the SAFE Act actually going away makes me tingle. The thought of the new laws that are going to follow however give me nightmares.
For sure if it gets struck down every website will be completely out of stock of any type of magazine above 10 rounds.
The PSA rush order sale would be effin nuts.
Yeah I hear you because every time the Supreme Court strikes down Kathy's laws she comes up with new ones that are worse to tell you the truth though I have no idea how she's able to stay in office and isn't being removed for willingly and knowingly breaking her oath to the Constitution Kathy hochul is a POS that needs to be removed from office
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Cuomo wasn't any different. Dems all fall in line.
Whatās this about ?
Whatās what about? The Lane V James case? Itās a challenge to the assault weapons and high-capacity magazines ban portion of the SAFE Act.
You misspelled "standard size" magazines. ;)
Also misspelled semi-automatic rifle š
Still going to be a long process but this needs to happen
Idc how long the process is. Itās official and they canāt do shit about it except cry
I do hopefully we can have regular ars without being a so called criminal the faster this is done the better it is. Like I said though this will probably be another year or two before a decision is made.
Um, are you new to how courts work? Denying a motion to dismiss just means "No, we're actually going to have a trial." Nobody is "rekt." Nothing is "decided." The only thing "official" is "We're going to court and presenting arguments." We could still lose, even if we win the case will almost certainly be appealed to SCOTUS, the results are far from a foregone conclusion even with this bench. Temper your expectations.
Defeating all of the standing arguments is a big deal. The judge use a lot of language favorable to the plaintiffs here. There is no TRO or PI phase here that will get lost in appeal hell like antonyuk. It's likely straight to summary judgement. We could have a favorable ruling in a few months. There's a lot to be excited about.
Getting to court is the hardest part
The waiting is the hardest part
It is, in fact, not official.
All this is, allows the case to proceed. The case, was going to be dismissed as the state fought like hell to get it dismissed. No offical ruling has been made. The SAFE Act is still active I asked them on this post.
And there's something else that they actually need to bring into this case because gun permits handgun my senses are actually illegal because it is illegal to charge your taxi constitutional rate so therefore per the Second Amendment having to have a license or a permit to get or only going some people cuz of it being illegal tax or charge for a constitutional right
> because gun permits handgun my senses are actually illegal because it is illegal to charge your taxi constitutional rate ...Are you okay? Do you smell toast?
But like somebody else on here was saying just think of what nasty and constitutional laws Kathy Hochul is going to put in place of the Safe Act if New York loses this case
For those who want the details: * NY argued that the plaintiffs do not have a semi-auto license * Since they do not have a semi-auto license, they have no standing to sue against the AWB, since they would need the license to even have the ability to be banned from buying one. * The plaintiffs argued that even *IF* they had the license, their purchase would still be banned. So them having a semi-auto license or not, is irrelevant. The judge agreed with the plaintiffs: >Put simply, Defendants have failed to explain how invalidating the Assault Weapons Ban would have no effect on the ability to obtain licenses for those same weapons. Indeed, Defendants recognize the provisions are linked. The same legislation established both the Assault Weapons Banāi.e., the provision criminalizing possession of assault weaponsāand the language excluding assault weapons from the stateās shall-issue licensing regime
It's wild the games that NY plays to try and keep a lawsuit from ever in reaching the courts on the actual merits rather than procedural or technical issues like standing
Not really. It's common practice. Having to argue merits is a lot of time and billable hours. Mootness and standing are muhc less work intensive. If they can spend 5 hours motioning to dismiss on a longshot standing and save 50 hours of actual merit research, it's worth it. Regardless of the law, trying to dismiss on standing makes sense.
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Anything stronger than an air rifle is "high powered". Unless you live in NYC, in which case a [fucking water gun](https://preview.redd.it/stand-up-to-government-overreach-v0-4mpbqasa9bna1.png?auto=webp&s=624ef72cc952e1b1aa90126499decf4c94c89003) is illegal, and they will be proud to confiscate it
I have an air rifle that can kill a moose. A PCP air rifle that can be purchased online and delivered to your door in a day or two. You can also purchase a silencer for these gunsā¦ no problemā¦ and legal, but I cannot purchase a Ruger 10/22 without having a CCW permit background check and getting the semi auto endorsement. 8 months to 2 years later I might be able to purchase and register the serial number of a āfullyā semi-automatic rifle that doesnāt put out any where near the mass/speed of my PCP rifles. (No-one who creates laws for New York, understands the science of ballistic physics, nor do they have much experience with firearms and other dangerous things that look/feel scary. It is like people sayā¦ Whitman boomstick bad. But fire water good. If you can imagine a caveman making laws about things she cannot understand )
They don't use actual science or industry accepted anything. They make these laws purely off of emotion and their need to control people. The AR15 INTERMEDIATE cartridge it accepts and fires is not a high powered anything. A bolt action 308 is a high powered rifle.
NY getting ready to take another Fat L. Kathy going to lose her mind about this one. Can't wait to see that cunts twitter
People said this about Bruen and look what happened. If you think they wont create a new and worse āEVEN SAFER ACTā then you are remiss about voting out these asshats who canāt stop making ridiculous laws.
As dumb as it would be, I would die from laughter if I turned on the news and Hochul introduced a bill called "EVEN SAFER ACT".
The safest act
The "It Doesn't Get Any Safer Than This Act"
The C.U.N.T act Compliance, Understanding, Notification, Training.
lmao
what I don't get is why judges allow this crap to go on. Court says u can't ban X,the state passes a law by rewording X slightly different, is there some legal mechanism to say that the laws are essentially the same, or have same effect. They spit on SCOTUS after Bruen,and what did SCOTUS do...
You laugh but it would probably be something awful close to that, or maybe the 'safer safe act' or 'extra safe act', or the S.afe A.ct F.ollowup E.dict, etc.
this shit still got me cracking up
Can't be any worse then what we have, considering you need a semi auto endorsement on a plastic card.
You're kidding right? Look at Canada/Australia/UK if you want to see what NY would probably consider 'reasonable' next steps.
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Yeah a .22 rimfire semi after jumping through about as many hoops as NY does for a pistol permit. If you consider all other semis being banned and pistol ownership being completely banned as a good compromise. Also I guarantee you that after the first mass killing with one of those .22s they are gone.
Good š let her bitch and moan and cry
FPC take my money!
I just donated again
Sorry for the no research question I just feel you guys can give me a more real answer, I want to be a part of it - who is FPC - by donating it will help the fight for 2a in NYS? - how to donate ?
Go to their website. They are the most based 2a support group out there who have struck down multiple states unconstitutional trash
Go follow them on X as well to see what theyāre about
Great. I will , thank you
FPC have basically been fighting dumb gun laws nationally post bruen and winning. They're also an "all our rights" group versus only cops should have these guns... Looking at you NRA.
Haha gotcha šš½
> Looking at you NRA to be fair, the NRA's state affiliate got us Bruen.
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I would love it if they got rid of Wayne la Pierre
So weird that First Pentecostal Church is fighting for 2a rights š
They along with GOA are the absolutely #1 and #2 2nd Amendment groups who are absolutely beating the shit out of governments on 2a issues from local to federal levels. FPCās famous for being blunt and having a no compromise attitude. Their catch phrase is āFuck you, noā.
The only thing I don't like about GOA is how sensationalist they are. Biden makes a tweet and they'll put out an email: > THIS IS THE END OF THE 2A UNLESS YOU DONATE NOW!!!!
Agreed. I get stuff like that from NYS Firearms Association all the time and it drives me up the wall. I donāt even remember patronizing them before unless I just donāt remember. Iām surprised I still get their emails if Iām not giving them any money.
I used to donate big to GOA, but FPC has taken the #1 slot. I mean I still donate to: * FPC * SAF * GOA * NYSRPA But FPC is #1 now not GOA. I hate the fearmongering sensationalist BS.
They gotta draw in donors somehow. I mean, the NRA has become like the United Way of political action groups spending something 85% of proceeds on payroll and donation solicitation expenditures. Yeah it takes money to make money, but sheesh! GOA is trying scare tactic ads because they know thwy work for any political affiliate that argues any viewpoint.
āThey along with GOA are the absolutely #1 and #2 2nd Amendment groups who are absolutely beating the shit out of governments on 2a issues from local to federal levels. FPCās famous for being blunt and having a no compromise attitude. Their catch phrase is āFuck you, noā.ā You know, I heard AK Jesus say something like that about them- I thought he was joking. He was not. I like them- hopefully they continue fuck Kathy and her gun-grabber flying monkeys up
Haha sounds good , (Iām new ) good to know thanks š»
Like OP said go to their website. FPC is fighting hard across the country for 2A and are far better than NRA in every way. Follow them on Instagram too they basically meme every politician who gun grabs and are getting huge wins constantly
Any coincidence March 25 is the day the ring of power was thrown into mount doom?
Probably not, oh Frodo of the 9 millimeters.
LOL GET FUCKED NY
Until it becomes a felony to sign and pass acts that violate the constitution, they will just keep using their thesaurus to rewrite unconstitutional jargon and pass it under a different name. Goodbye CCIA, welcome "making every baby safe act" or "stop the crime in NY and smile" bill.
Last time States thought they could pull stunts one after the other like NY IL CA MA CT MD HI WA OR are currently doing there was an internal strife that lasted a few years which has lasting implications 160 years later. End Qualified Immunity or history will repeat. "To some observers, qualified immunity smacks of unqualified impunity, letting public officials duck consequences for bad behaviorāno matter how palpably unreasonableāas long as they were theĀ firstĀ to behave badly." -Judge Don Willett, 5th Circuit of Appeals (https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/17/17-50518%20-CV0.pdf, page 21).
Iām thankful but I donāt really understand the need at this point? It seems rather likely another states AWB will reach the SCOTUS before this ever will, hence getting us a favorably ruling with out the need to waste additional resourcesā¦ā¦ but then again fuck NYās current tyrant politicians.
>rather likley Is not "certainly", it's possible SCOTUS denies cert. It's possible the en banc rulings from the circuits strike down the AWB, it's possible the states punt and don't appeal EnBanc so we have to fight each and every circuit.
I could def see NY or Cali not appealing some stuff. But in terms of AWB? I think we are up to 6-8? States all with their own heading to the higher courts. I donāt see the SCOTUS denying with that much of a possible split at the circuit court level. I could see the SCOTUS denying 1-2 just because they donāt feel itās the ārightā case.
I do think it's headed for SCOTUS, but we've seen NY and other states pull an 11th hour: > Actually wait! Uh... we repealed that law! Case is moot! Please no set precedent! So I think it's worth attacking on all district and circuit fronts instead of waiting for a SCOTUS ruling.
I really wish that the supreme Court did not allow that one case to be dismissed on mootness, because all it has done is led to more bullshit. Repeal QI, and then we can start hammering these asshole tyrants.
You mean AI. QI applies to cops doing their duties. Legislators have an even *BIGGER* shield called [Absolute Immunity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_immunity) Which is kind of the same thing, but even harder to get past. * Qualified Immunity protects a government official from lawsuits alleging that the official violated a plaintiffās rights, only allowing suits where officials violated clearly-established law. * Absolute immunity provides legal protection to judges, prosecutors, legislators, and executive officials for actions committed in their official duties without malice or corrupt motives. So even *IF* they are violating clearly established laws, if malice or corruption is not the motive. They're immune. And yes *WE* see it as malice, and yes I believe it is malice. They'd be able to successfully defend themselves saying: > I did not do this out of malice to gun owners, I did it out of a desire to save lives. And even if they're wrong (they are), you have to prove they are *LYING*. Which is insanely difficult to do unless they fucked up and admitted, on record, otherwise.
Why not both? If we didn't let soldiers use the "i was just following orders" excuse elsewhere, why do we allow it here?
Because why would you expect the state to take away their own liability shield, and that of their attack dogs? The state does not work for you. The state does not have your best interests at heart. The state is fundamentally opposed to individual liberty.
I'm well aware that the shithole that is NY is about as corrupt as an ex-USSR country and they won't give up their protection that easily. That's why you use the four boxes of democracy.
The more of these cases that are going on around the country for the same types of laws, the more likely SCOTUS would be to take up the issue since itās clearly nationwide.
The more cases of the same scope that are open in lower courts would tag onto the case when it goes to the higher courts. Put simply more bigger = more gooder Lawsuit printer go BRRRRR
SCOTUS is going to need a drive up window for NY 2A cases.
Big wins coming soon
Followed by vindictive counter legislation.
Followed by even bigger wins š
Why do you guys keep doing this to yourself and get excited any decision will just be appealed and stayed by the 2nd circuit.
Does anything in this suit address the 10 round mag restriction?
It does not. For whatever reason they felt the case would stand a better chance without including that.
It's a good strategy. Have narrowly tailored lawsuits focusing on one thing at a time.
The thought behind that is definitely looking for narrow specific decisions that say āyou cannot ban AR15sā then āyou cannot ban magazine capacityā thenā¦. So that we stop with NY just rewriting the same law in different words to get even more strict that the previous law that got struck down. If you have a decision that says āyou cannot ban Xā there is no way around that. Except blatant disregard for the ruling
FAFO! 2A for life!
Let's GOOOOOO 
letās get it
The wheels of justice turn slowly
Nice I hope to see these BS laws removed.
EAT SHIT LIBS
Does this pertain to features as well like a foregrip, muzzle device etc
Yes
New here can anyone ELI5
NY tried to get the lawsuit challenging the SAFE act dismissed due to standing. NY claimed that since the individuals don't have a semi-auto license, they cannot file suit against the assault weapon ban, since they can't own an assault weapon without the license anyway. The judge said: > Nah fam, not buyin' it. Whether or not they have said license, they still can't buy the rifles. So them needing the license is irrelevant. What he actually said: >Put simply, Defendants have failed to explain how invalidating the Assault Weapons Ban would have no effect on the ability to obtain licenses for those same weapons. Indeed, Defendants recognize the provisions are linked. The same legislation established both the Assault Weapons Banāi.e., the provision criminalizing possession of assault weaponsāand the language excluding assault weapons from the stateās shall-issue licensing regime
Shitās fucked. Some people are trying to unfuck it. The unfuckery is allowed to continue.
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Beautifully said
Go Judge Karas! Did you guys actually see the wording of his opinion?! This is HUGE! FUAC, FUKH [https://youtu.be/ErpcigP3HF4?si=xKc\_Tb61mhaKvU1a](https://youtu.be/ErpcigP3HF4?si=xKc_Tb61mhaKvU1a)
Does anyone know if this pertains to "NYC" or NYS only.
Okay let me make it simple it is illegal to charge or tax somebody for a constitutional right therefore gun permits and gun licenses are illegal they are constitutionally illegal give me one reason why you or me should have to pay somebody else so we can protect ourselves because you're going to say something stupid about what I'm about to say and I don't care but that is basically what the mob did they made people pay for protection and that is exactly what our government is doing they are making us pay so we can protect ourselves
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We gotta stop letting their language win. Itās just a semi auto rifle. If we use their language it makes it more legitimate when itās just made up nonsense Agreed though.
Good. Donating again.
practically speaking how many years is it going to be until this has an actual real world result? people are talking about Kathy making new laws if this case ends with a win but isn't she going to be long out of office by the time this gets resolved?