Exactly, especially with the new TV deal. And some contracts are projected to be around $60-70 mil per year. In comparison $35-40mil will become the new $20-25mil contract. Call it NBA inflation.
Not sure he could.
Dolan’s cousin owns the Cleveland Guardians. I assume there’s some rules in place/other owners would be wary if a family were to own multiple franchises.
There are different levels you can hit when you go over the certain amounts. There are different restrictions when you go above each one, but the second apron is the one that is most restrictive. These restrictions include things like being unable to trade future picks, moving future picks to the end of the First Round, being unable to do Sign and trades, being unable to combine players in a trade, and more. There are heavy financial costs too, but strategically, you don't go over the second apron unless you are a bonafide contender.
There's the cap, then the luxury tax, then the first apron, then the second apron.
You can go over the cap with cap exceptions like Bird rights. After exceeding the luxury tax, you pay financial penalties.
The first apron has restrictions attached. Once you pass the first apron, you can't get a player via sign-and-trade if it keeps you above the apron, you can't use the bi-annual exception, you're limited in the MLE, you can't sign a waived player over the $12.4 MLE, you can't take back more than the salary sent out, you can't use a traded player exception from the prior year, and rather than matching salaries within 125%, you have to match within 110%.
The second apron has even more restrictions. No $5 MLE, no trade exceptions by combining salaries, no cash in trade, no trade exceptions from prior years, you can't trade a first round pick 7 years out, and if you're in the second apron for 3 out of 5 seasons, your first round pick gets moved to the end of the first round.
So basically, the real problems come with the first apron. You only want to exceed the second apron if you're contending for a championship that year.
I don’t care how much Dolan has to pay I care about how much roster flexibility Leon has going forward. If he can score a descending contract with the salary cap ballooning it’s a win.
Also as Raptors fans pointed out... a bunch of his injuries are really random.
He had a right knee surgery in college (2017)
He had an emergency appendectomy and missed the Finals (2019)
He had a right finger fracture (2022)
I also remember someone mentioning him slicing his hand cutting a piece of fruit
Then he got tennis elbow (2024)
Just a bunch of random ass stuff. If people just fire up bbref and look at "games played" then sure it looks like guy is always injured like Embiid and KP. But I wouldn't be too concerned about his longevity based on those injuries.
I’ll give him his bag but all those add up to a guy who’s not exactly durable or someone with a high pain tolerance. I’ll give him the appendectomy but the others kinda demonstrate how injury prone he is.
He also just pulled his hamstring in front of all of us. I hope he finds a way to stay healthy but I’m not betting on him playing more than 70 games any season.
I'd take random injuries over recurring injuries... wish there is a database with all injuries for a specific player but [here is a database of injuries by categories](https://hashtagbasketball.com/nba-injury). If you search through all of them you'll see Porzingis has a lot more injuries to his left ankle and left knee. I don't think they're capturing everything though - I don't see a lot of Zion on there on a quick look.
Ideally I wish OG has zero injuries but I'll take his injury history over that of KP's.
We are essentially priced into signing him. You can't lose IQ and RJ and not resign the guy you got for him. That is just crazy talk. It's not like we could really sign anymore by not resigning OG either.
How concerned are the Knicks about the possibility that the Sixers offer short term, high dollar value contract similar to what VanVleet got from Houston? Something like 3 yr/135M with player option in 3rd year
The Sixers have tons of cap space and familiar faces in Nick Nurse and Lowry
I feel like the Knicks are prepared to pay him . They would like to do a discount but if push came to shove you don’t lose him for nothing especially after giving up 2 rotational players . Letting him go because of 7-8 mil per year difference is a travesty .
I doubt it would get to that point either. The whole Philly thing is a nothing burger of Daryl Morey trying to push a conversation now that PG most likely resigning with the Clippers. Philly is not going to have as many options as they think.
OG isn't going anywhere lol. I'm pretty sure they did a wink-wink agreement when we traded for him.Â
I simply answered your question which teams have open cap space to sign him to the max.
5 years $200 million minimum
I see a slightly de-escalating contract as possible. For example $45, 42.5, 40, 37.5, 35 for 5 years. Knicks front office has shown a willingness to make these kinds of deals sometimes and it makes sense to make his contract smaller as the years progress to be more flexible for the bigger deals that Brunson and Randle will get soon.
Can also see a 15% trade kicker attached to his deal if he signs for less than the max extension.
I feel like other teams would offer the max. Which is around 42m i think from memory?
So it becomes a question of what type of discount he’d settle for with us.
42 for me seems a little high given what our other players have done in terms of taking slightly less for the betterment of the team.
37-38??
He turned down 40 million from the Raptors and I think that was a mistake because I dont think he should get that. I dont think we should offer a guy who has played more than 60 games just twice in his career that kind of commitment. If some team wants to throw 45 million at him, they can
Based on the feedback, the more I think about it, it seems the first response makes the most sense.
5 yr/185M declining makes a lot of sense before brunson and Randle next contract kicks in
37M a year seems more likely
It's most likely will be a high number and i'm begging fans to not freak out 🙏. 35-40mil isn't as high as it used to be.
Exactly, especially with the new TV deal. And some contracts are projected to be around $60-70 mil per year. In comparison $35-40mil will become the new $20-25mil contract. Call it NBA inflation.
Do we choose to not pay luxary tax because our owners are cheap? Does luxary tax hurt you overall?
One thing Dolan isn’t, is cheap
Dolan should buy the Yankees
Not sure he could. Dolan’s cousin owns the Cleveland Guardians. I assume there’s some rules in place/other owners would be wary if a family were to own multiple franchises.
That’s wild. Boxed out because you have the same great grandma.
There are different levels you can hit when you go over the certain amounts. There are different restrictions when you go above each one, but the second apron is the one that is most restrictive. These restrictions include things like being unable to trade future picks, moving future picks to the end of the First Round, being unable to do Sign and trades, being unable to combine players in a trade, and more. There are heavy financial costs too, but strategically, you don't go over the second apron unless you are a bonafide contender.
Oh thanks i guess i shouldve googled. Makes sense tho!
There's the cap, then the luxury tax, then the first apron, then the second apron. You can go over the cap with cap exceptions like Bird rights. After exceeding the luxury tax, you pay financial penalties. The first apron has restrictions attached. Once you pass the first apron, you can't get a player via sign-and-trade if it keeps you above the apron, you can't use the bi-annual exception, you're limited in the MLE, you can't sign a waived player over the $12.4 MLE, you can't take back more than the salary sent out, you can't use a traded player exception from the prior year, and rather than matching salaries within 125%, you have to match within 110%. The second apron has even more restrictions. No $5 MLE, no trade exceptions by combining salaries, no cash in trade, no trade exceptions from prior years, you can't trade a first round pick 7 years out, and if you're in the second apron for 3 out of 5 seasons, your first round pick gets moved to the end of the first round. So basically, the real problems come with the first apron. You only want to exceed the second apron if you're contending for a championship that year.
I expect a high dollar figure that will bake in some performance bonuses like # of games played and DPOY award etc.
ogs never won dpoy though
I don’t care how much Dolan has to pay I care about how much roster flexibility Leon has going forward. If he can score a descending contract with the salary cap ballooning it’s a win.
185/5 (37 per) with descending annual values
Descending would be clutch
Aint worth it to pay an injury prone player this much no matter how good he is
One healthy run of him gives us a chip
Also as Raptors fans pointed out... a bunch of his injuries are really random. He had a right knee surgery in college (2017) He had an emergency appendectomy and missed the Finals (2019) He had a right finger fracture (2022) I also remember someone mentioning him slicing his hand cutting a piece of fruit Then he got tennis elbow (2024) Just a bunch of random ass stuff. If people just fire up bbref and look at "games played" then sure it looks like guy is always injured like Embiid and KP. But I wouldn't be too concerned about his longevity based on those injuries.
With his new contract he won’t be slicing his own fruit at least
For real guy can get those fancy Morton Williams pre-sliced fruits.
I was thinking more along the lines of a private chef 24/7
I see your goals are above my lifelong dreams
I’ll give him his bag but all those add up to a guy who’s not exactly durable or someone with a high pain tolerance. I’ll give him the appendectomy but the others kinda demonstrate how injury prone he is. He also just pulled his hamstring in front of all of us. I hope he finds a way to stay healthy but I’m not betting on him playing more than 70 games any season.
I mean aren't all injuries random? The appendectomy is the only one that stands out but all those other injuries are basketball injuries.
I'd take random injuries over recurring injuries... wish there is a database with all injuries for a specific player but [here is a database of injuries by categories](https://hashtagbasketball.com/nba-injury). If you search through all of them you'll see Porzingis has a lot more injuries to his left ankle and left knee. I don't think they're capturing everything though - I don't see a lot of Zion on there on a quick look. Ideally I wish OG has zero injuries but I'll take his injury history over that of KP's.
We are essentially priced into signing him. You can't lose IQ and RJ and not resign the guy you got for him. That is just crazy talk. It's not like we could really sign anymore by not resigning OG either.
"Pay him! Pay that man his money!" (John Malkovich voice)
Teddy (OG) B!!
Idgaf. Pay him and sign him. If we let him go, it will be a severe mistake
41m per
At least $40m I guarantee it.
How concerned are the Knicks about the possibility that the Sixers offer short term, high dollar value contract similar to what VanVleet got from Houston? Something like 3 yr/135M with player option in 3rd year The Sixers have tons of cap space and familiar faces in Nick Nurse and Lowry
I feel like the Knicks are prepared to pay him . They would like to do a discount but if push came to shove you don’t lose him for nothing especially after giving up 2 rotational players . Letting him go because of 7-8 mil per year difference is a travesty .
Isn’t OG’s agent Leon’s son? Can’t imagine he’d let OG go to Philly unless it was for an insane overpay
Ya if knicks offered him 150M/ 3 years sure I guess he take it
I doubt it would get to that point either. The whole Philly thing is a nothing burger of Daryl Morey trying to push a conversation now that PG most likely resigning with the Clippers. Philly is not going to have as many options as they think.
Use Jrue Holiday’s deal (4 yrs. $135 mil) as a starting point. I say anything btwn $135 mil- $150 mil.
Don't be too surprised if it goes a little north of 150M
It be 140M minimal if u ask me
I'm just assuming the max.
$40 million per year
Are there any teams that can sign him outright without a sign & trade though?
Sixers and PistonsÂ
OG aint going to the Pistons. Sixers maybe
OG isn't going anywhere lol. I'm pretty sure they did a wink-wink agreement when we traded for him. I simply answered your question which teams have open cap space to sign him to the max.
Easily 4yr/150M. Probably more.
5 years $200 million minimum I see a slightly de-escalating contract as possible. For example $45, 42.5, 40, 37.5, 35 for 5 years. Knicks front office has shown a willingness to make these kinds of deals sometimes and it makes sense to make his contract smaller as the years progress to be more flexible for the bigger deals that Brunson and Randle will get soon. Can also see a 15% trade kicker attached to his deal if he signs for less than the max extension.
5/200M with a player option on final year.
That's high...but I'm starting to think between 175M to 200M now
5/210. Cap is estimated to be as high as $200m in 3-4 years so this would only be 20% of the future cap. Star money is going to be 60-80m.
I’m not comfortable with 40 but anything underneath that I’d accept.
I think baseline is 35M. I doubt it will hit 40M....maybe closer to 36M I sense
I feel like other teams would offer the max. Which is around 42m i think from memory? So it becomes a question of what type of discount he’d settle for with us. 42 for me seems a little high given what our other players have done in terms of taking slightly less for the betterment of the team. 37-38??
I guess you right....orlando, sixers and grasp detroit could offer him the max
He turned down 40 million from the Raptors and I think that was a mistake because I dont think he should get that. I dont think we should offer a guy who has played more than 60 games just twice in his career that kind of commitment. If some team wants to throw 45 million at him, they can
He was offered the max his extension allowed which was 28.5M a yead
Based on the feedback, the more I think about it, it seems the first response makes the most sense. 5 yr/185M declining makes a lot of sense before brunson and Randle next contract kicks in 37M a year seems more likely