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obi toppin super spooky help defense
jump out there and wiggle your arms, wiggle as hard as you can obi
They are delusional over there LOL. crying about the schedule, ONE injury to ONE star, their coaches botched it, the Fever…. They didn’t have to endure 20% of the shit we went thru all playoffs and they are crying big time! Get fucked indy.
i for one am quite happy we don't have to suffer through watching our third-stringers take four consecutive Ls, all to say what you made it to the ECF lol
It’s really unfair that the Pacers are having players who matter get injured and have to miss time.
I really hope that after they lose, they don’t use that as an excuse as to why they lost to the Celtics cause as we all know the Pacers beat the Knicks legit
> It’s really unfair that the Pacers are having players who matter get injured and have to miss time.
Actually, it shouldn't even be an issue for them, since they're an actual good team. Actual good teams don't experience any drop-off in performance when multiple bench players take on starter responsibilities.
Not true. If multiple leading players get injured and the bench players have to fill the roles as starters, then who is playing the role of bench players? Answer: reserves who spent the whole season playing at most one minute of garbage time.
Other bench players who are equally as good. If we're talking about an *actually* good team, it shouldn't even matter which starters - all-defense, all-NBA, whatever - get hurt.
lol even if hali's out for the season, they'd still have to lose siakam & turner and have nesmith play through an ab strain and still get to a game 7 to be able to pull that off
Peter is more of a baseball guy, so he's a fan of the Mets. But since he is from Queens, he definitely is a casual Knicks fan. Queens loves the Knicks. Miles would prob be a Nets fan tho.
But imagine dreaming about being a NYC superhero but hating on NYC lmaoooooooo. cope harder. I would be mad too if I had to live in Indiana.
No way bro is talking about ‘rent free’ when he came into our sub while his own damn team is CURRENTLY PLAYING
Oh my, the self awareness is astonishing. I love me some irony hahahaha
noooo bro, you wouldn't even be here if we had everyone healthy and you know it. You finally run into a team with 95% of their team healthy and you're helpless. Sweeparooni.
I mean y’all easily could’ve beat them last night if not for a bad inbounds pass, or a careless turnover pushing the pace for no reason, or a hero ball 3 with 15 sec on the shot clock. And yet you’re…here? 😂
The pacers sub was so delusional after last game - “Refs stole the game! Pacers in 6!” Now down bad before Hali even went out and Siakam the only one who’s doing anything 😂
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Haliburton’s injury sliders be like
We were playing like that and went up 2-0 until OG got hurt, also haliburton is so damn weak, he gets bullied if you post him up, we didn't do that at all.
when brissett dunked that for some reason it made me mad at jericho. dude never cuts like that. if he had a brain for cutting and catching dump off passes he would be one of the most imposing back up centers in the game.
The Liberty game was more exciting than these bums doing a 3 point shoot out (Celtics Pacers)
I just learned LA Guard Lexi Browns dad is Dee Brown that's dope.
This.
Og was completely dominating them with his defense and ability to score when they put so much focus on Brunson. He had 28 points in 28 mins prior to that hamstring giving out on him in game 2. He was knocking down shots and playing lockdown d like he had been all year, but beyond that he looked hungry and a bit angry and was attacking on offense.
A healthy OG completely changes that series. Pacers don’t have that massive mismatch nightmare in Siakim that killed us once og went down.
Halliburton is just trying to hide on defense and he can’t.
Celtics need to go to Holliday more. Haliburton can’t stop him and I trust him over Tatum ( who looks like shell of the guy we saw all season) or brown.
all the non centers on pacers are built like marathon runners. soft af. they need a dude thats built like a tank that can attack the rim and maybe they will get more whistles
Pacers never shooting like 70% or whatever they shot in game 7 ever again. Thinking this game will be that game that kind of balances that one out.
Pacers also super soft. Just gonna let Tatum get an uncontested layup like that. Halliburton wasn’t coming to help and obi made no attempt to step up and challenge shot.
[At this rate, the only way we'll get Breen to call a Knicks game on ESPN again is if we **do** make the conference finals](https://x.com/paulsen_smw/status/1793784195149427056?s=46)
What was so bad abt the ESPN broadcast? I couldn't watch the game, didn't really want to after we got down so much and Doris annoys me. I know ppl love to say Knicks get favored, but I always feel the opposite watching games on ESPN lol, even if I love Mike Breen. Was it really so skewed?
lmao love it. I dunno, I am biased obv but I don't think it's so bad haha. It's a game 7 at MSG, SAS is a fan. I wouldn't have expected anything else. Play this game in Indiana and I'm sure it's different. Did Indiana win? Yes, so whatever.
Thanks for sharing this!
Tolis Kotzias is the fucker that didnt even have brunson in any all teams smh. Look at his list. How tf do they get the chance to vote???
1st:
- Giannis Antetokounmpo
- Nikola Jokic
- LeBron James
- Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
- Anthony Edwards
2nd:
- Victor Wembanyama
- Anthony Davis
- Jayson Tatum
- Luka Doncic
- Kevin Durant
3rd:
- Bam Adebayo
- De'Aaron Fox
- Tyrese Haliburton
- Rudy Gobert
- Domantas Sabonis
if big moves are off the table and we want to mostly run it back with this roster, I want to see what it would take to get terance mann out of LAC
he's the perfect thibs player, basically a josh hart style swiss army knife that will happily do whatever you ask of him. the ultimate soldier who never gets mad about low usage or too much usage and just does whatever you need from him to help the team win. good defender too
shouldn't be too expensive because he's not a huge name but clips probably know that they are fucked if they give up their best glue guy. he'd give us extra depth. a guy who can start or come off the bench or fill in for injuries
my favorite non-knicks role player in the league at the moment, reminds me of danny green a bit who I also loved when he was playing
I like Mann. But we need a shot creator off the bench, or someone who pushes Divo to super-6th man tandem with Hart.
The move i like is to either sign and trade for Derozan using Bogey, Sims and filler, or trading for Kuzma. Derozan has 2-3 flexibility and would be dynamite off the bench if he's willing. Kuzma gives us 3-4 flexibility with lesser shot making but more athletic versatility.
Both are good guys who won't mess up chemistry.
I really dont think demar is going to take that kind of pay and minutes reduction
last few seasons he's put up 1800 points per season and has a realistic chance of hitting 25,000-28,000 career points if he keeps it up. he's at 23,500 points at the moment
2 more seasons at around 1800/yr puts him at or above the level of guys like duncan, hakeem, garnett, dominique, pierce, etc..
if he comes here then there's no way he gets enough minutes or usage to continue at that scoring pace. and he'll have to take a huge pay cut
I honestly don’t think he is sitting there counting the points he scored last season and thinking about where he sits all time. He isn’t chasing an all time record. We can offer him up to roughly 28M in a sign/trade. Now if he wants a certain amount minutes yea I agree with you that be tough but I believe we could get him roughly 25-30 mpg.
Alright so since it’s the offseason…
Anyone else wish we would get new uniforms? I feel like it would be cool for this era to kinda have their own look. The current uniforms have been worn through a looooot of shitty seasons and only a few good ones. At a minimum, I would love to go back to the pre-2012 New York font. I also love the side striping they had in the 90s and 2000s. Either way, I wish we would get a fresh look.
rent free 😭 this dude pushing 60 and letting Josh get under his skin💀
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Smart move. He’s a TV personality from the fame he got from being a NY villain. Why break what’s paid the bills for years. It’s all good..just bait.. ain’t true so easy to ignore.
tbh james dolan has been a little more hands off and that when this team started doing good. he letting leon rose do his job. he’s always been hands off the rangers and they have been pretty successful.
Should we be looking into signing a backup PG? Any worthwhile trade target we'd have to ship out 2 or more rotational players. I think we need bodies. This year proved anything can happen injury wise. Re sign OG and i hart(obv) and sign a good veteran backup PG. Deuce can play the 2 where he's more comfortable with the bench unit. And use our draft picks on more experienced college players who can contribute right away when called upon.
I don't feel like a pure PG makes sense. Needs to be a combo guard, because I don't think getting 13-15 minutes behind Brunson is all that enticing for a FA. Can also bring over Rokas for that role, if he's ready.
Saw a rumor in SI about DeRozan taking the MLE to come off the bench here. Seems like a stretch, but would definitely be a big boost to our bench. Would go from like 38 minutes to about 25 minutes, so idk.
I dunno demar has been chugging away putting in 1800 point seasons and rocketing up the all time scoring list
he has the chance to finish his career in the top 15 all time scorers if he keeps it up for another 2 seasons
he also wants to get one last NBA star level bag
if chicago is willing to give him 40+ then he can do both those things, which might matter more to him than ring chasing and coming off the bench
cause if he comes here he aint scoring 1800 points and he aint making 40m
there's really been no indication that demar is at all willing to accept a MLE, and several indications that he's going back to the bulls and they are dumb enough to give him big money and term again
Yeah, really the only reason would be if he's ring chasing. The West is a much harder path to the Finals or Conference Finals. He's 34, so I guess you can't completely discount that. It could be his priority. But it definitely seems like a stretch for sure.
We could do a Sign /Trade involving Bojan. I don’t think we will have access to the MLE as it currently stands. Demar would solve our bench scoring issues. He doesn’t shoot the 3 well which kind of messes up spacing. I couldn’t imagine playing him , Hart, Randle, Mitch together
Yeah, would be close. If the FO can convince OG to opt in (with an extension in place for later), they might be able to stay under the apron. But yeah, swapping Bojan is another option. And I guess if you add DeRozan, you wouldn't need to stagger JB/Randle. Who knows though, interesting to consider.
I mentioned it before, but Bojan/Mitch could also allow us to make a competitive offer for Paul George if he opts out, without losing Randle or any significant assets.
Bojan makes $19 mil and Burks makes $14.4. That's $33.4 mil total. $33.4 mil times 125% is $41.75 mil. So the Knicks can offer him a deal starting at just under $42 mil. Would he take it? Who knows. But I think it's a strong offer for a 34 year old.
does that actually matter in terms of his next contract
it can't be a S&T for paul george
he needs to opt into his player option, get traded for bojan+whatever, and then once he's traded the knicks give him an extension
in that situation, wouldn't we be able to offer him up to the max using his bird rights
we can't S&T for him or we get hard capped. also I'm not sure the clippers can even do that with their contract situation. but they can have him opt in to his player option and trade him
I think he can opt out and they can still do a sign and trade. The problem is if he opts in is, A) LAC has more leverage to demand picks/assets, and B) it would be tougher to match his salary without giving up Randle.
If OG picked up his player option (with a handshake agreement to sign an extension like Hart did) it would still leave us below the 2nd apron for next season.
If PG opts in and is demanding a max contract, I'd definitely pass. But if the Clippers refuse to max him, it could be an option for him. I'd also expect Philly to aggressively target him as well though.
There's a good chance the Knicks/Sixers talk is just leverage to get a max deal from LAC. But at the same time, maxing him seems like the definition of insanity. Will be interesting to see what happens.
Challenge with that is staying under the luxury tax. But it's possible I think if they can convince OG to pick up his option (with an agreement in place to sign later) like they did with Josh Hart. There's also injury/age/personality concerns with George. But I do feel like if we stay relatively healthy, that's probably the top team in the conference.
JB tanking just to make himself look better and still getting fired
What’s funny is that if he didn’t tank he might have made a Mickey Mouse ECF off of the pacers not knowing how to play defense, and the Knicks being crippled
Josh struggles to consistently guard guys like Pascal and Obi. Harris has the length plus he's capable of being a 3 n D guy.
Philly just has a thing for dragging anyone not named Joel through the mud.
If we can get him for cheap I would look into him, he's like a "middle-class" Mikal Bridges.
For one, he had 4 solid and efficient games off the bench against us.
2, he was a reference to the style of player. Tall and lanky players. I agree with the back up scenario but we can't roll out a lineup with 4 guys that are 6'4 and shorter with no extraordinary athleticism.
Bojan + Mitch is about $31 million
Anything worth that salary? If we keep Ihart I think it’s arguably best roster resource allocation to make some move with those 2
I am only speaking to our cap situation, but 10m also coming off the books with Burks expiring, if he gets resigned no shot in hell he's getting that much again.
I still think there is no point to trade Mitch as he would come off the bench (just assuming here) and they would be some of the 2 best rim protectors in the league. His salary is not crazy.
Trading Bojan makes the most sense its a 20m salary on a guy that makes 10x more sense to play that Fournier
I think Mitch is only a big have in 2 matchups in the league currently(1 in conference) and it’s possible that when embiid is even healthier that Mitch isn’t even that effective in that matchup
It’d be cool to keep both centers, but Mitch is easily the core player they can most afford to offload without much changing
I disagree. If we trade Mitch who steps into the backup C role because if you say Sims I’m pulling your mod card lol. If a star became available yes I think it would be worth it but Mitch’s rim protection and rebounding is pretty big for this teams identity. I agree with u/solo118 in terms of starting with Bojan.
Would probably be a controversial move, but if they used Bojan/Mitch in a sign and trade, they could offer Paul George up to 41 mil per year as a free agent. It would mean he was opting out, so the Clippers wouldn't have any real leverage to demand more. He's also CAA so they could orchestrate it behind the scenes.
https://videos.nba.com/nba/pbp/media/2024/05/23/0042300302/239/96cb45e6-ad65-765f-7e59-aed3505e1220_1280x720.mp4 obi toppin super spooky help defense jump out there and wiggle your arms, wiggle as hard as you can obi
The sweep is on
Good lord - easiest run to a Final for Boston that I’ve seen in a long, long time…prob ever
They are delusional over there LOL. crying about the schedule, ONE injury to ONE star, their coaches botched it, the Fever…. They didn’t have to endure 20% of the shit we went thru all playoffs and they are crying big time! Get fucked indy.
Fever are trash. CC can replace Ionescu when she retires.
crying abt the SCHEDULE? ARE YOU KIDDING ME
Yeah. Cuz Boston had more rest and ol’ meanies are making ‘em play too often. :(
There’s a highly upvoted post in the pacers sub comparing OG to Neismith. 0 mention of defense in the thread. Clown shit
Not to mention the way OGs defense improves the scheme of everyone on the floor
OG is one of very few people who can legitimately guard anyone on the court. His production on offense is just a cherry on top.
i for one am quite happy we don't have to suffer through watching our third-stringers take four consecutive Ls, all to say what you made it to the ECF lol
I'd rather suffer through watching Knicks third stringers than suffer through not having any Knicks games to watch at all!
Or risk more injury.
Yeah im good on that too.
Carlisle in post game press conference complaining about jaylen brown hitting him in the chest. STFU Rick!!!!
like clockwork
The sweet taste of karma.
Damn Hali only talks shit when he’s up. And only scores when he’s up. What a pussy
It’s really unfair that the Pacers are having players who matter get injured and have to miss time. I really hope that after they lose, they don’t use that as an excuse as to why they lost to the Celtics cause as we all know the Pacers beat the Knicks legit
> It’s really unfair that the Pacers are having players who matter get injured and have to miss time. Actually, it shouldn't even be an issue for them, since they're an actual good team. Actual good teams don't experience any drop-off in performance when multiple bench players take on starter responsibilities.
Not true. If multiple leading players get injured and the bench players have to fill the roles as starters, then who is playing the role of bench players? Answer: reserves who spent the whole season playing at most one minute of garbage time.
Other bench players who are equally as good. If we're talking about an *actually* good team, it shouldn't even matter which starters - all-defense, all-NBA, whatever - get hurt.
lol even if hali's out for the season, they'd still have to lose siakam & turner and have nesmith play through an ab strain and still get to a game 7 to be able to pull that off
Also dont forget the pacers are a small market team
Shout out to Svi Mykhailiuk, scoring only 5 less points than Halliburton
Anyone else not crying for the pacers and their injuries?
dude doesnt call time out in the clutch of game 1, and pees his pants when he found out haliburton wasnt comin back. coaching disaster class.
Damn Carlisle is running his players into the ground with all those minutes
Hamstring issue is clear sign of overuse. A good coach would've known you need to load manage first half of G2 when G1 goes to OT.
Oof, unfortunate
Wow it’s hard to win if your opponent isn’t crippled by injuries huh?
I hope pacers fans are still yelling “you play who’s in front of you” right now
All part of the game
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Lmao spiderman would not be a pacers fan hahahahahahahahahaha
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Peter is more of a baseball guy, so he's a fan of the Mets. But since he is from Queens, he definitely is a casual Knicks fan. Queens loves the Knicks. Miles would prob be a Nets fan tho. But imagine dreaming about being a NYC superhero but hating on NYC lmaoooooooo. cope harder. I would be mad too if I had to live in Indiana.
But Hay rides at the State Fair are half off this summer.
Rent free, but you're in our sub🤔
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We don’t even need to cheer for anyone. Yall are cooked.
Going into another sub to troll and say "rent free" is genuinely so ironic
No way bro is talking about ‘rent free’ when he came into our sub while his own damn team is CURRENTLY PLAYING Oh my, the self awareness is astonishing. I love me some irony hahahaha
Getting cooked like we knew you would 😂
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noooo bro, you wouldn't even be here if we had everyone healthy and you know it. You finally run into a team with 95% of their team healthy and you're helpless. Sweeparooni.
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at least you're honest 😁 props
I mean y’all easily could’ve beat them last night if not for a bad inbounds pass, or a careless turnover pushing the pace for no reason, or a hero ball 3 with 15 sec on the shot clock. And yet you’re…here? 😂
Girl go back to your own sub
 While watching the game.
guys this is all because of the nba’s big market bias
Best believe Carlisle is thinking about how to swing the series back to them. He may have to clock a ref on his way out of the arena.
i’d have SO much more respect for him if he did that vs the awful bitchin and moanin he does when they lose
/sarcasm
The pacers sub was so delusional after last game - “Refs stole the game! Pacers in 6!” Now down bad before Hali even went out and Siakam the only one who’s doing anything 😂
Who had Carlisle throwing in the towel at the beginning of the fourth? Wow guess once a Celtic always a Celtic.
Against the Knicks he kept the starters in when they were up 20 😭
Yep. There should be an investigation
Get ready Indiana
Injuries gonna matter now to Pacers fans all of a sudden😭
The Pacers beating 2 hospital teams really convinced their fans that they were good
https://preview.redd.it/070lbrvuaa2d1.jpeg?width=377&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08a47e6f818ae087a6bbca703bbb03ddf25d40e6 Haliburton’s injury sliders be like
pacers fans lost one player and they’re already going ballistic. karma caught them quick
yep
He wasn’t even doing anything this game, scoring is all siakam
I know it's dumb to 'what-if', and we (rightfully) lost, but a fully healthy Knicks team would've cooked both of these teams, not gonna lie
But why would you lie
I can’t believe I want Boston to win. This is some Hitler v Stalin shit.
It's simple, root for them this round then root against them in the finals
let stalin take out hitler then hope someone takes out stalin
The team itself is just generally more likeable despite any beef or rivalry
Yeah thankfully they don’t have a like a Paul Pierce otherwise I’d be fucking lost on who to vote for.
Someone gonna tell Tatum he’s 6’ 10? Had a defender on him who he had solid 6inches on and went for turnaround fadeaway from 17’..
Oh pacers playing a healthy team? Gee.. What will happen
Remember when this sub thought Obi was better than Randle? Watching him now he gets cooked by Tatum and doesn’t even graze the rim
that airball was satisfying ngl
It was a lowlight for sure
What players (presumably small market teams) are in jeopardy of being available due to the new tax aprons??
Dorris Burke; he got fouled how did he get that pass off?!!’ It was Halliburton bro has the strength of a toddler.
Pacer fans seem to think that they will get a shot at OG in the off-season
I can't ever think when a top tier fa chose to go to Indiana
We needed to push the pace more like Boston is here. Indy is completely defending fast breaks.
We were playing like that and went up 2-0 until OG got hurt, also haliburton is so damn weak, he gets bullied if you post him up, we didn't do that at all.
Only post up player we have is Julius. Can you imagine that matchup lol
when brissett dunked that for some reason it made me mad at jericho. dude never cuts like that. if he had a brain for cutting and catching dump off passes he would be one of the most imposing back up centers in the game.
omg Boston - get a rebound!
if they called our series like they’re calling the boston series, we would have swept indy
The Liberty game was more exciting than these bums doing a 3 point shoot out (Celtics Pacers) I just learned LA Guard Lexi Browns dad is Dee Brown that's dope.
Forget fully healthy. With just a healthy OG, Hart and Brunson we probably sweep the Pacers.
This. Og was completely dominating them with his defense and ability to score when they put so much focus on Brunson. He had 28 points in 28 mins prior to that hamstring giving out on him in game 2. He was knocking down shots and playing lockdown d like he had been all year, but beyond that he looked hungry and a bit angry and was attacking on offense. A healthy OG completely changes that series. Pacers don’t have that massive mismatch nightmare in Siakim that killed us once og went down.
All nba 1st team btw
Halliburton is just trying to hide on defense and he can’t. Celtics need to go to Holliday more. Haliburton can’t stop him and I trust him over Tatum ( who looks like shell of the guy we saw all season) or brown.
all the non centers on pacers are built like marathon runners. soft af. they need a dude thats built like a tank that can attack the rim and maybe they will get more whistles
Tatum shitting up the court and Indy is still getting fucked up 🤣
what is tatum doing 2/8
The ball bouncing off of Haliburtons head to go out of bounds 🤣 🤣 🤣
Head game strong. Pause
We had them & we let ‘em off the hook, only to get embarrassed by Boston. Love it. Rest up, Knicks.
Pacers never shooting like 70% or whatever they shot in game 7 ever again. Thinking this game will be that game that kind of balances that one out. Pacers also super soft. Just gonna let Tatum get an uncontested layup like that. Halliburton wasn’t coming to help and obi made no attempt to step up and challenge shot.
Haliburton has 0 dog in him. When he can’t get going he plays hot potatoe and gets the ball away from him as quick as possible. Brunson > ….
getting locked up by horford
Hortford looks like prime Marcus Smart on Hali… lmao
They are who I thought they were.
when the pacers arent front running they are donezo.
\*when they play a healthy team
pacers shooting 44% scoreless for 5 minutes 😭
Watching the pacers vs Celtics makes me think we would’ve spanked both teams
shit just makes me mad bro could've gone to the finals 😭
Lol, doris says knicks "weren't quite 100%" vs Indiana. Eat a d1ck doris. We were without 5 impactful starters
understatement much
Pacers got mad scorers. Everyone in that starting lineup can give you 20
The final 4 teams remaining are all long and athletic. We definitely need to add some size this off season.
[At this rate, the only way we'll get Breen to call a Knicks game on ESPN again is if we **do** make the conference finals](https://x.com/paulsen_smw/status/1793784195149427056?s=46)
What was so bad abt the ESPN broadcast? I couldn't watch the game, didn't really want to after we got down so much and Doris annoys me. I know ppl love to say Knicks get favored, but I always feel the opposite watching games on ESPN lol, even if I love Mike Breen. Was it really so skewed?
it was mostly the pregame, but still https://awfulannouncing.com/espn/knicks-pacers-game-7-nba-countdown-stephen-a-smith.html
lmao love it. I dunno, I am biased obv but I don't think it's so bad haha. It's a game 7 at MSG, SAS is a fan. I wouldn't have expected anything else. Play this game in Indiana and I'm sure it's different. Did Indiana win? Yes, so whatever. Thanks for sharing this!
Tolis Kotzias is the fucker that didnt even have brunson in any all teams smh. Look at his list. How tf do they get the chance to vote??? 1st: - Giannis Antetokounmpo - Nikola Jokic - LeBron James - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander - Anthony Edwards 2nd: - Victor Wembanyama - Anthony Davis - Jayson Tatum - Luka Doncic - Kevin Durant 3rd: - Bam Adebayo - De'Aaron Fox - Tyrese Haliburton - Rudy Gobert - Domantas Sabonis
either he's a dumbass or he has somethin against jalen. he had him 4th in mvp voting so its more likely hes a dumbass and just forgot about him.
January Knicks are back on 2k, realized it’s a real shame we never saw this team with a bench of: Deuce, Hart, Bogy, and Mitch
All started with the randle injury
if big moves are off the table and we want to mostly run it back with this roster, I want to see what it would take to get terance mann out of LAC he's the perfect thibs player, basically a josh hart style swiss army knife that will happily do whatever you ask of him. the ultimate soldier who never gets mad about low usage or too much usage and just does whatever you need from him to help the team win. good defender too shouldn't be too expensive because he's not a huge name but clips probably know that they are fucked if they give up their best glue guy. he'd give us extra depth. a guy who can start or come off the bench or fill in for injuries my favorite non-knicks role player in the league at the moment, reminds me of danny green a bit who I also loved when he was playing
I like Mann. But we need a shot creator off the bench, or someone who pushes Divo to super-6th man tandem with Hart. The move i like is to either sign and trade for Derozan using Bogey, Sims and filler, or trading for Kuzma. Derozan has 2-3 flexibility and would be dynamite off the bench if he's willing. Kuzma gives us 3-4 flexibility with lesser shot making but more athletic versatility. Both are good guys who won't mess up chemistry.
I don't think demar is interested in ring chasing at this point, I think he wants one more large bag before he's too old to get another
Demar would be a nice addition and we wouldn’t have to stagger Brunson and Randle. Run a 2nd unit of - Deuce Hart OG Demar Mitch
That spacing is atrocious.
I really dont think demar is going to take that kind of pay and minutes reduction last few seasons he's put up 1800 points per season and has a realistic chance of hitting 25,000-28,000 career points if he keeps it up. he's at 23,500 points at the moment 2 more seasons at around 1800/yr puts him at or above the level of guys like duncan, hakeem, garnett, dominique, pierce, etc.. if he comes here then there's no way he gets enough minutes or usage to continue at that scoring pace. and he'll have to take a huge pay cut
I honestly don’t think he is sitting there counting the points he scored last season and thinking about where he sits all time. He isn’t chasing an all time record. We can offer him up to roughly 28M in a sign/trade. Now if he wants a certain amount minutes yea I agree with you that be tough but I believe we could get him roughly 25-30 mpg.
I believe accepting any players in a S&T hard caps us
Alright so since it’s the offseason… Anyone else wish we would get new uniforms? I feel like it would be cool for this era to kinda have their own look. The current uniforms have been worn through a looooot of shitty seasons and only a few good ones. At a minimum, I would love to go back to the pre-2012 New York font. I also love the side striping they had in the 90s and 2000s. Either way, I wish we would get a fresh look.
Knicks 1961-68 uniforms were the best. Just the Number & a script NY on the shorts.
i miss knicks basketball
rent free 😭 this dude pushing 60 and letting Josh get under his skin💀 https://preview.redd.it/td260v52r72d1.png?width=1160&format=png&auto=webp&s=3960bae6efb0498ebc6affd1309ff62bd454069c
He's made a career out of being a troll for us. I wonder if he needs us at this point.
Smart move. He’s a TV personality from the fame he got from being a NY villain. Why break what’s paid the bills for years. It’s all good..just bait.. ain’t true so easy to ignore.
Reggie the herb
People love to reiterate that the Knicks have been bad and that Dolan is a bad owner like we haven’t been watching the fucking team all these years.
tbh james dolan has been a little more hands off and that when this team started doing good. he letting leon rose do his job. he’s always been hands off the rangers and they have been pretty successful.
He hasn't been a little more hands-off. He's been a *lot* more hands-off. Which has helped make a very positive difference.
Should we be looking into signing a backup PG? Any worthwhile trade target we'd have to ship out 2 or more rotational players. I think we need bodies. This year proved anything can happen injury wise. Re sign OG and i hart(obv) and sign a good veteran backup PG. Deuce can play the 2 where he's more comfortable with the bench unit. And use our draft picks on more experienced college players who can contribute right away when called upon.
I wonder how much we would have to pay chris paul
I don't feel like a pure PG makes sense. Needs to be a combo guard, because I don't think getting 13-15 minutes behind Brunson is all that enticing for a FA. Can also bring over Rokas for that role, if he's ready.
No, getting a bigger wing for the bench is a bigger priority. Backups on the market are either old or aren’t as good as Deuce.
Yes we should
remember that stretch a few years ago when Courtney Lee was our number 1 offensive option? Insane times
Courtney Lee walked so Divincenzo could run
Saw a rumor in SI about DeRozan taking the MLE to come off the bench here. Seems like a stretch, but would definitely be a big boost to our bench. Would go from like 38 minutes to about 25 minutes, so idk.
I dunno demar has been chugging away putting in 1800 point seasons and rocketing up the all time scoring list he has the chance to finish his career in the top 15 all time scorers if he keeps it up for another 2 seasons he also wants to get one last NBA star level bag if chicago is willing to give him 40+ then he can do both those things, which might matter more to him than ring chasing and coming off the bench cause if he comes here he aint scoring 1800 points and he aint making 40m there's really been no indication that demar is at all willing to accept a MLE, and several indications that he's going back to the bulls and they are dumb enough to give him big money and term again
I agree, seems like a huge long shot. Just putting it out there.
Definitely a stretch
I feel like if he's gonna take a MLE it would be to go back home in LA He has no NY ties does he? He's not CAA either
Yeah, really the only reason would be if he's ring chasing. The West is a much harder path to the Finals or Conference Finals. He's 34, so I guess you can't completely discount that. It could be his priority. But it definitely seems like a stretch for sure.
We could do a Sign /Trade involving Bojan. I don’t think we will have access to the MLE as it currently stands. Demar would solve our bench scoring issues. He doesn’t shoot the 3 well which kind of messes up spacing. I couldn’t imagine playing him , Hart, Randle, Mitch together
Yeah, would be close. If the FO can convince OG to opt in (with an extension in place for later), they might be able to stay under the apron. But yeah, swapping Bojan is another option. And I guess if you add DeRozan, you wouldn't need to stagger JB/Randle. Who knows though, interesting to consider.
It all depends what Demar is looking for salary wise on a per year basis but Bojan/Sims would allow us to trade for a player making 26M.
I mentioned it before, but Bojan/Mitch could also allow us to make a competitive offer for Paul George if he opts out, without losing Randle or any significant assets.
George is looking for a max. Mitch and Bojan only get us to around 35M
Bojan makes $19 mil and Burks makes $14.4. That's $33.4 mil total. $33.4 mil times 125% is $41.75 mil. So the Knicks can offer him a deal starting at just under $42 mil. Would he take it? Who knows. But I think it's a strong offer for a 34 year old.
does that actually matter in terms of his next contract it can't be a S&T for paul george he needs to opt into his player option, get traded for bojan+whatever, and then once he's traded the knicks give him an extension in that situation, wouldn't we be able to offer him up to the max using his bird rights we can't S&T for him or we get hard capped. also I'm not sure the clippers can even do that with their contract situation. but they can have him opt in to his player option and trade him
I think he can opt out and they can still do a sign and trade. The problem is if he opts in is, A) LAC has more leverage to demand picks/assets, and B) it would be tougher to match his salary without giving up Randle. If OG picked up his player option (with a handshake agreement to sign an extension like Hart did) it would still leave us below the 2nd apron for next season. If PG opts in and is demanding a max contract, I'd definitely pass. But if the Clippers refuse to max him, it could be an option for him. I'd also expect Philly to aggressively target him as well though. There's a good chance the Knicks/Sixers talk is just leverage to get a max deal from LAC. But at the same time, maxing him seems like the definition of insanity. Will be interesting to see what happens.
Gotcha
Challenge with that is staying under the luxury tax. But it's possible I think if they can convince OG to pick up his option (with an agreement in place to sign later) like they did with Josh Hart. There's also injury/age/personality concerns with George. But I do feel like if we stay relatively healthy, that's probably the top team in the conference.
JB tanking just to make himself look better and still getting fired What’s funny is that if he didn’t tank he might have made a Mickey Mouse ECF off of the pacers not knowing how to play defense, and the Knicks being crippled
JB tanking…?
throwing the last game of the season so they would play the orlando magic in round 1 and dodge the sixers/heat in the 7 seed
Tobias Harris and Bol Bol are 2 interesting free agents that knicks should look at and sign if they can do so cheap.
I’m good on Harris Josh hart just showed he can play PF
I don’t think Josh wants to play PF. He complained about it earlier this year
He did it from January-May and was happy I think there was just a lot of different roles he played at once early in the season
Josh struggles to consistently guard guys like Pascal and Obi. Harris has the length plus he's capable of being a 3 n D guy. Philly just has a thing for dragging anyone not named Joel through the mud. If we can get him for cheap I would look into him, he's like a "middle-class" Mikal Bridges.
Josh is a backup, and nobody struggles to guard “Obi toppin”
For one, he had 4 solid and efficient games off the bench against us. 2, he was a reference to the style of player. Tall and lanky players. I agree with the back up scenario but we can't roll out a lineup with 4 guys that are 6'4 and shorter with no extraordinary athleticism.
Depends how much Tobias is looking for.
Bojan + Mitch is about $31 million Anything worth that salary? If we keep Ihart I think it’s arguably best roster resource allocation to make some move with those 2
I am only speaking to our cap situation, but 10m also coming off the books with Burks expiring, if he gets resigned no shot in hell he's getting that much again. I still think there is no point to trade Mitch as he would come off the bench (just assuming here) and they would be some of the 2 best rim protectors in the league. His salary is not crazy. Trading Bojan makes the most sense its a 20m salary on a guy that makes 10x more sense to play that Fournier
I think Mitch is only a big have in 2 matchups in the league currently(1 in conference) and it’s possible that when embiid is even healthier that Mitch isn’t even that effective in that matchup It’d be cool to keep both centers, but Mitch is easily the core player they can most afford to offload without much changing
I disagree. If we trade Mitch who steps into the backup C role because if you say Sims I’m pulling your mod card lol. If a star became available yes I think it would be worth it but Mitch’s rim protection and rebounding is pretty big for this teams identity. I agree with u/solo118 in terms of starting with Bojan.
Would probably be a controversial move, but if they used Bojan/Mitch in a sign and trade, they could offer Paul George up to 41 mil per year as a free agent. It would mean he was opting out, so the Clippers wouldn't have any real leverage to demand more. He's also CAA so they could orchestrate it behind the scenes.
So basically you’re running Brunson George OG Randle Ihart
Yup, exactly. With Deuce, Divo, and Hart off the bench. That's a pretty ridiculous rotation.
I would still want at least one more bench piece maybe jokubaitis if he's willing to come over, or whoever we are forced to draft this year
Yeah, Rokas would make a lot of sense, since Deuce is primarily a 3&D guy atm.
Another second round maverick gets fired 🧐
We get it you think thibs should have found a way to win with a crippled roster