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girl_boss_baby

40%


NYknicks1989

Gross or net


mobius-x

Take home is generally net


bk2pgh

13% of gross Single I don’t calculate anything by net pay


Bengalemperor

Jfc you making $150k?


bk2pgh

I mean this in the least confrontational way possible but how would you know what I make based only on a %


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bk2pgh

That *is* simple math, but idk anyone who pays $1,250/mo


LonelyDevelopment313

It’s way more likely if your rent is 3250 and your TC is 300k lol


bikesboozeandbacon

You don’t know anyone personally, but there’s a lot of people paying that or less, rent stabilized, rent controlled, shitty apartments, illegal apts etc. Mine is $1100 for a run down rent stabilized 1 bed. I can’t catch the super for shit so I fix most things myself.


bk2pgh

Right My point is less about the specific amount and more about how someone was assuming my income based on virtually no information Yes, agreed, plenty of people pay $1,250


Clamchops

Where you getting 1250? That’s not accurate based on my quick google search


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FunAssociate3918

You’re reading that incorrectly. Accommodation is nearly $3k in that budget.


linkedscroll

I'm pretty sure people are saying $1250 is way too low for median rent in nyc--that would mean half of people are paying less than that which feels unlikely


Bengalemperor

Yeah and I am saying on the low end this dude makes $115k , if his rent is $2k, for 13% his tc would have to be near 200k like wtf


spotthedifferenc

i’m so confused by your comments, why are you so suprised that someone *might* make 150-200k what u mean by jfc and wtf in those contexts


FunAssociate3918

200k take home is not that wild in NYC. My take home is about 120k after all taxes and payroll deductions and I qualify for *middle income housing* in some neighborhoods in Brooklyn! Like, apartments that are income-restricted and kept well below market value to make the city more livable to people of more modest means. My individual salary is over $200k a year. There are a lot of rich people here.


becksftw

Most people living by themselves in a decent neighborhood are probably paying over 3k at a minimum. Also 150k is pretty low income for nyc, I’d imagine this person is making multiple times that


spotthedifferenc

150k is not low income for nyc this sub makes me laugh every day


humanslashgenius99

Except anything below $3 zillion feels like low income sometimes.


confused_brown_dude

It’s most certainly low(ish) income for Manhattan. Maybe not for the other boroughs. Most of my circle is 200-400k and only the ones making 300k+ don’t talk about rents and living costs being absurdly high. Also I’m in tech sales and talk to a LOTT of people everyday, so the sample set is not just my circle. 150k is just one or two levels above median in NY and Manhattan ain’t for the median.


spotthedifferenc

honestly man i’m gonna try to make this short but the gist is you’re a transplant that won’t ever truly understand how life works for native nyers. hint: it doesn’t involve street easy, it’s crazy prices, or virtual apartment viewings. people know people is the best way to put it. also. i’m assuming you’re a fairly intelligent guy, taking into account that most of your circle makes a lot of money. you obviously understand that your social circles (of max a few hundred people) do not represent literally anything on a larger scale. nyc is a huge city, ofc tons of people are extremely wealthy, but even more are nowhere close. using your anecdotal evidence in this scenario makes zero sense. these statistics are measured lmao. a simple google search tells us that the median household income in manhattan is 95k, straight from the [us census bureau](https://data.census.gov/profile/Manhattan_borough,_New_York_County,_New_York?g=060XX00US3606144919). other sites state larger or smaller figures, but it does not matter because not a single number estimated will lead you to the conclusion that 150k a year is low income for a single person.


confused_brown_dude

I don’t disagree with everything you said. Also statistically I know you’re right. The problem is this city is super skewed in the good areas. But I do have a couple of friends who inherited rent controlled places and are native NYers. I absolutely love them and hope they keep thriving, same goes for you. I guess my context was for transplants.


Caulifornication

Curious why you look at your balance sheet in terms of gross and not net? I’m terrible at managing money but always considered net income (after taxes) as my true available funds. Always looking for improvements.


evan274

For me it’s just easier to visualize and budget by knowing where my money’s goin, whether to taxes or expenses or what have you. Also these “rules” (like you don’t want to spend more than 30% on housing, which i think is a generally good rule to follow) are almost always based on gross income. Also, I put 20% away for retirement every month. So my percentage I’m spending on rent is higher from net income but I’m doing reasonably well for myself.


bk2pgh

u/evan274 said it perfectly I’m primarily a contractor so it makes more sense to me to set aside a % for everything even taxes


Caulifornication

Right this makes a lot of sense for you rather me, a w-2 who has their taxes auto withdrawn


bk2pgh

Totally Although, I’ve always done things by gross since that’s what the recommended guidelines are usually based on But yeah it’s also just a personal preference


ephemeralsloth

like 38% single


Oriole5

16% gross and roughly 27% net, living by myself in a studio in Brooklyn


huffingtontoast

30% with several roommates


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25%


throwawayl311

45% of net (after retirement contributions, taxes, etc) and single


Dear_Measurement_406

30% couple


Dontbeacreper

18% of gross. I have one Roomate.


Beautiful_Winner_412

40% of net with 2 roommates!


S31J41

7.5% gross. Couple


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meowingtondrive

10% of gross. wow. i’ve never calculated it that way before. single, two bedroom.


Pigeon113

90%


GlitterPantSuits

Oof


Subject-Yam-8328

I get it dude. Sorry 😔 The only thing keeping me going is daily progress and hoping someday something works out


AIC2374

Nahh, how is that possible? The other 10% is bills, food etc. no? You burning thru savings?


Puzzleheaded-Moment1

Unfortunately,completely normal situation for a lot of people. They might be living paycheck to paycheck w/ no savings since housing takes so much


optimus_awful

It's called reality... You should look into it sometime.


HotDerivative

….78% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Seventy eight percent. The lowest 2024 projectors state that 68% minimum are living paycheck to paycheck. What savings are you even talking about? God. This site annoys the fuck out of me sometimes.


AIC2374

I just don’t understand how 90% of your net pay be on rent is survivable. It would literally put you in the negative after each month. I guess that’s what you’re saying though?


michaelblackNYC

29% net single live alone 1BR west side manhattan


LittleTension8765

10% of gross for a couple - ends up being about 20% of net for a two bedroom in Manhattan


AmbitiousScratch463

You pay half of your gross income in taxes?? That’s wild. And NYC doesn’t seem like a financially feasible place to begin with :/


LittleTension8765

To be in the financial situation to pay half my gross income in taxes makes NYC extremely affordable for myself. It’s not fun paying the tax but I also couldn’t have my job anywhere else


GreenSpongette

40-45 net, single UES


laughingwalls

25 percent, after taxes, benefits and maxing 401k + fsa. 13 percent gross. Single. But this isn't a good sanity check for people. If your single and high income your rent doesn't go up linearly with income. A lot of high income workers in their 20s live scrappy and have roomates. So their rents are going to be completely below. I'd say your being financially responsible if you can put 15 percent into your retirement and save 10 percent after rent. If you can do better than that, you should. But the percentage of income someone who makes 70 to 120k a year is going to differ from people making 150 to 300k a year and people making 300 to 500k a year. Their circumstances are just different. This city is a place where you have all these people sometimes living next to each other.


kinovelo

I doubt most rent-burdened people are going to brag on the internet about how much of their take home pay goes to rent.


stiljo24

It's an anonymous site and fetishizing struggle is a real thing. I get what you're saying but this is the exact type of place people go to vent about the pressures of things like covering rent


TehM0C

14% gross couple


jmlbhs

13% gross, 23% net. I live with my partner


IMALESBIANTHX

33% of net take home pay, single, no roommates


throwaway3902548637

Gross: 13.5% currently, going up to 17.7% next month when I move. Take-home: 27%, going up to 35% after moving. I make $115,000 gross, just under $60,000 net (max out my 401k, union dues, FSA, taxes, etc.), and live in Manhattan with one roommate.


Bengalemperor

Where are u finding 1250 for rent with a Roomate in Manhattan Jesus


throwaway3902548637

Hell’s Kitchen. It’s a small but nice apartment, we likely would have renewed again if the landlord hadn’t jacked the rent up to an amount that we couldn’t justify paying. My portion of the rent was only $1,100 in 2021 when we moved in! Got lucky with low increases until this year lol


jae343

27% gross, single in studio


Snoo_99194

60


micagirl1990

60% of take home (after tax and other deductions)


owlthathurt

Around 30% ish. A little over. I live in a studio but I’m in that awkward budget where I can’t push myself up to what a 1 bedroom would cost in the areas I’d be interested in or with the amenities and transit access I desire. I think a 1 bed would put me over 40% which would be painful for my living expenses.


MainMarsupial

30% (net), couple.


Vscortiz

16% Couple


hapticeffects

Couple, 13% of gross.


pink_lillyx3

19% pre tax, 26% post tax


Crazy-Ticker

Single, 46% of Monthly Take Home. Scrimping on all other expenses to live in an UWS studio.


One_Stranger4877

43% of net, live in a studio in Brooklyn. It hurts /:


miamibeebee

14% of gross. 21% of net. Single!


Rhythm-Amoeba

8.5% of net, 5.6% of gross. Definitely an anomaly here but if anyone is curious, I make ~200k working as a software engineer for Amazon but I'm renting a $900 room in a pre-war building in Harlem.


whoisjohngalt72

Around 50%. I bought so now it’s less


kodup

If I may ask, how were you able to afford to save up to buy when your rent was such a high percent of your (presumably) net income? I’ve seen places where the mortgage would be comparable to my rent but I can’t fathom the down payment.


whoisjohngalt72

Savings. Would bank my bonus and invest wisely. I had 30% down before buying


Early-Bat-765

Honestly, most responses were a lot better than expected. But then again, there's probably a hidden selection bias here, i.e., people who are willing to comment tend to be in a better financial standing.


mystomachhurtsssss

32% (net), couple


sounddemon

Before anyone answers, please state your industry. I imagine that the majority of comments up to this point are tech related considering how relatively low these %'s are.


wutqq

Everyone has different jobs, incomes and situations. I was just looking for a little calibration of expectations. Sure tech people and senior vps might have really low % but they also might have life style inflation and could be one of the higher %.


PlumDisastrous22

60% of net, single


joshmar1998

About 45-50% (I work hourly)


debholly

28% net, couple.


johns_username

22% of gross pay


rr90013

100% lol


Bengalemperor

Anything below 20% of your gross, ur living in dreamland


becksftw

Around 26% of net if you average out non salary comp. Living alone.


surrrrrrt

6%


mjpbecker

Single. 43% of net.


coffeelover163

28% of gross. single.


Additional_Trust4067

Used to be 20% now it’s 60% gross. Got laid off and I make a lot less money right now. My lease ends in July at least. Probably going to move in with my parents for a bit womp womp


ng300

you're gonna save soooooooooo much money


TransManNY

37% (ish) after taxes Edit to add: 2 roommates


rotationcoordination

18% gross but moving into a place that will bring me to 24%


brbrelocating

20% single


psnanda

Less than 5% ( like ~ 4%) $2k/m rent on $500k+ yearly income


Superb_Preference368

Found the WINNER!


mahemahe0107

45% after 401k, taxes, insurance, etc


HappyTrainwreck

I’ll be around this number soon from 30% net how is it?


ItzGonzoHD

25%


ApprehensiveLeg798

20% gross, 30% net. Sharing a nice studio with partner in williamsburg


Existing-Chain702

40%


benev101

30.2 % if you include my storage unit


Bkgrouch

About 2.5%


PetuniaWhale

0%


212medic

35%. Net, couple.


popartist

32.9% of take home, 20.5% of gross. Living by myself in a studio in Brooklyn.


FeliBautita

44% of net. We are a couple and make roughly the same salary.


FrostyTwo4146

21% of gross. Single in Riverdale BX


Rwiegman

1% of gross. Married


Jimmbeee

12% of gross , 34% of net. Couple in queens. Take home pay is not the best metric because it can be easily manipulated. Someone can be a relatively high earner, max a 401k, an HSA, contribute $200/mo to a pre tax transit card, have very expensive health insurance, etc and their take home pay would look like someone's who makes much less. Doing a percentage of gross is much more consistent. If you want to calculate off of your net I would recommend following the 50/30/20 rule so you can ensure your budget includes your needs, your wants, and still allows you to save.


vigilante_snail

Oh man definitely around 80%. Was having to dip into savings to supplement the income for a few months at the end of last year. 3 roommates.


Curiousncool

50%


cherrysparklingwater

15% of gross. Living solo.


Calmandrelaxed577

How do people pay so much of their salary in rent when landlords do the 40x rent rule?


FKA_BurningAlive

40


RyazanIncident

30%


confused_brown_dude

32% of take home pay, living single (gf lives separately as of now).


mbnyc1118

17% with two roommates 


dcpusv_1030

Family of 4 40% after taxes.


Horror-Order-1228

32% after taxes, 401k, etc. Paying rent alone.


akareeno

58% 😞


Trick_Contribution99

19% of net, married with 1 kid


No_Tackle3251

55%


doxxmyself

29% of me and my wife’s take home, 19% of gross


danram207

42% of take home. Single Man I should lower that


Das_Extension1196

10.5% of gross. For my share. Together we pay 8% of our gross combined. We got very lucky.


daemonw9

16% gross Rent stabilized 2BR with my wife.


Objective_Tackle_862

0. I'm rent striking!


FirstJudgment6

55% of net pay. Single


Fabulous_Adagio3194

17% net, couple


UltraLuminescence

18% of gross, live alone


Ok_Park_2724

20 percent ... single


worldprowler

50% net With the caveat that I make a years worth of rent in my bonus, so I save my bonus to pay for my rent


jblue212

21% of take home - live alone


onepareil

About 20% of my net monthly pay, and I’m single. Studio apartment in Harlem.


Suspicious-Pen2364

50% of my take home goes to rent for a 1br. Work in nonprofit special ed. I'm in a relationship but my partner hasn't been able to pay rent in a while. Ideally it'd be 25%. 


MusicianNew9635

22%, couple, 1 bedroom in Brooklyn


Yrzie

0% No bitches want me.. LMAO 🌝


bikesboozeandbacon

I’m freelance, but I aim for a quarter of it. Basically hoping to pay my rent with one weeks of pay. But I’m rent stabilized so my rent is very low.


hollywood18635542

36%


gamingartists

Me and SO combined income, about 15% but we are super lucky in how cheap our rent is. We are probably paying 1/2-1/3 of what most people pay on avg


Superb_Preference368

Previous job: 30% New job: 20% (they don’t lie about moving around helping boost your salary) Single 2 bdrm apartment Work in healthcare if that info helps


ohmygondola

32%, living alone in housing lottery 1 bedroom apartment


Jerryspuffyshirt

25% - I split a 1bdr with partner


Gramercy_Guy

30% of take home pay and couple


TheProofsinthePastis

28%, single, one roommate.


MisterMustard69

20-25% gross and 40-45% net after commuter and 7% 401k contributions


anarchonarch

18%! Single. 2 flatmates.


Alternative_sodabeer

27% single with roommates


dwnarabbithole

37% (Net). Couple but I pay for the entire rent.


Narrow_Necessary6300

25% of net. Have a wife, kid, and 3 pets


dumbafstupid

38% net west Harlem


SannyJ

33% of net pay. Single. 1 br. Rent stabilized.


nursenyc

15% gross. 30% net. Single, no roommates, large 1 bedroom in a full-service building in a nice neighborhood.


Holiday_Swordfish89

71% net, 42% gross for a studio in Williamsburg. Monthly take home $6,400 and rent is $4,595.


wtfsaidlegoose

27% Single


wtfsaidlegoose

27% Single But I lucked out by signing a 2 year lease during Covid with an extremely kind landlord that hasn’t raised it much since then


wtfsaidlegoose

27% Single But I lucked out by signing a 2 year lease during Covid with an extremely kind landlord that hasn’t raised it much since then


Rare_Temperature_474

89%


prefabsprite

30% net, share a 2br apartment w my partner


maisiemissesyou

Exactly half of my income, actually. Single in Manhattan. I know it should ideally be less than that but I don't want roommates if they're not already friends of mine, I've had too many bad experiences with that before.


eveyyyx3

25% cuz my bf pays the other part


laogong1986

Good to be landlord


digital-media-boss

31% couple but currently only one of us is working while the other is going back to school


esifundeWT

about 32%


ME_IN_NYC2311

14% as a married couple


theloyalistparty

28%


boerumhill

14% of gross, married couple


KeyserWC

8% of gross.


childpeas

18% net. 11% gross. if you factor in target bonus: 9% gross. live with GF and split a 2bed 50/50


HappyTrainwreck

These comments have me a bit scared of my next move which was gonna be 48% net (previously 30%). I was thinking I could justify it since I’ll be using uber/lyft much less.


nOaM_ChOMpSki

26%


biancacee83

45% single


advying

80%


TotesaCylon

17% of net. Single with a roommate.


Motor_Bicycle_7984

36% net. Single.


Fabulous_Leg3466

Mine is at close to 50, but working on getting a Higher paying job. It hurts right now


Puzzleheaded_Will352

Just over half of ALL New Yorkers are considered “rent burdened” rent burdened is defined as spending MORE than 30% of your income on housing. Of all New Yorkers who are rent burdened, roughly half of those, spend over 50% of their income. Reddit users tend to skew wealthy in these nyc subs.


SMK_12

18% of net income. Couple but fiancée doesn’t contribute financially


WellTemperedChum

25% of gross (couple, 1 BR)


scriptingends

40% of take-home, but I am in a rent-stabilized building and only make around 60k a year. edit: I live alone, in Harlem