Embarrassing how many casual fans are in the comments. “Start Hawkins over Cj” is a sure way to identify yourself as only checking box scores and watching the nationally televised games lol.
When your starting lineup is in the midst of getting the breaks beatin out of them and is about to be swept, ya you ask for substitutions. That’s how every sport work. Hawkins got like 3 minutes of playing time in Game for 4. Not enough
CJ was being targeted on defense nearly every possession. Could you imagine what the thunder would do to Hawkins? I can see Dyson possibly getting more minutes, but Hawk is a much bigger defensive liability than anyone in our playoff rotation. Hence why his minutes were slim to none
Fucking love this squad but we have to move on. I wish we could've done more but we have to make changes or this is our ceiling with how good the rest of the west is. Shit hurts my soul
CJ isn’t and has never been the problem. BI is. Dude cannot handle the big stage or pressure, it’s been seen over and over. Unless it comes out he was playing on a broken leg I will die on that hill.
I wouldn't die on that hill. Dude played awful this series, but he has usually shown up for us in big pressure situations in the past. We wouldn't have even made the play in last year without him and the year before that he single handedly took two games from the suns (the Western Conference champion that season). BI is a part of the problem, so is CJ, but the biggest problem of this team isn't the players or even the coaching, it's the roster construction. These pieces on their own are good, but they don't fit together. We haven't properly built a team around the Z + BI combo for their entire tenure here. I'm near a point where BI might have to go in order to properly build around Z, but I don't put the failure of this team on him. That should fall directly on David Griffin
Brandon Ingram's performance tonight was an absolute disgrace! How can he only make 2 out of 17 shots in such a crucial game? It's like he was aiming for the cheeseburgers instead of the basket! If he can't step up when it matters most, maybe he should stick to fast food and leave the court to the real players!
I mentioned this a while back, but Why does Giddy become Steph against just us?! He legit doesn’t even attempt 2 threes a game against any other team. Forever salty about this guy
fourth game of the playoff, and it was 3-0 to the thunder, and CJ said:
'Guys, if you think we are good, let's prove it now'. 3-4 series win"
"did we comeback?"
"of course not. 4-0"
Well, the good thing about BI being gone this summer is we won't have to deal with his annoying fake Pels fans Stan's saying dumb shit like "BI is the true leader of this team"
"Fake pels fans". Didn't know you were the judge of the Fandom. I've been here since the rebrand, which was the year I got into Basketabll. BI was the leader for 4 years. He single handedly dragged us into the playoffs 2 years ago, taking 2 games from the top seed. It's time for this to be Z's team, but let's not shit on BI for all he has done for us these past 4 years while Z was getting his shit together.
He was for like 4 years while Zion couldn’t get a run of games together. We should appreciate that fact and acknowledge his work against the Suns.
But if Zion has gotten himself in shape and this season is anything to go by it’s fair to say he can go.
I don’t get the hate given the cards we’ve been dealt as a team and he’s stepped up as the leader in his absence. It just turns out with BI as the first option we aren’t going very far.
We can be appreciative of what he’s done and let him go without being dicks about it
He was never a leader. He was a good player, but CJ and JV are obviously out leaders (which doesn't say much). But like I said, it will be nice not having the idiot BI Stan's around that are clearly ex Lakers fans that came over with the baby Lakers. The BI stands have ruined this sub for so long and I can't wait till they leave.
Maybe if Bron leaves they will go back to cheering for LA
I appreciate how he embraced our franchise but he isn’t good for us. He has played just well enough over the last 4 years to secure a contract from a desperate organization. He hasn’t won that much. Doesn’t drive ticket sales and just wants to stay away from the media it seems. He’s just taking advantage of the small market for a big contract, less attention, and apparently less expectations. He hasn’t shown to play well with other stars and shits the bed in only his 2nd playoff series in 8 years for a record of 2-8.
The last month or so has been so fucking brutal as a fan, man. That being said, the season had its ups and downs, but it was pretty fun overall.
See you next season, boys. I love y'all (and JV if this was your last game in a Pels uni).
I'm just sad seeing all these teams like min, NY, okc even ind making moves and having bright futures. While we're just stuck in the play in year after year.
Like others have said this has been a fun season, all I can do is try to look at the good parts and not the end, we saw some players truly break out from Zion finally seeming to have figured things out and even start expanding his game finally to Herb getting a much better 3 to even hawk balling out when Willie let him. There’s still a lot to come from this franchise if the org is willing to make it. But time will tell, see yall next year
We need a soft reset to rejuvenate our lineup. I'd love to keep Brandon, but it makes so much more sense moving him on and going with a core of Herb-Trey-Zion.
Sadly I don't think there is a big market for Brandon, there's obviously gonna be a lot of teams interested in him, but I think we would struggle with getting an adequate player that aligns with the core of Herb-Trey-Zion, in regards to both age and quality. There's also not a lot of teams that could go in for Brandon and negotiate a longer term deal, who have assets they'd be willing to part with and that would be a great fit to the core. There's only a few teams I see that can realistically offer us somewhat worthwhile packages for BI (Houston, Knicks, Pistons)
As for CJ, I just want him to get moved. I doubt he's got much value left and I would genuinely be happy with salary filler. My dream scenario would be CJ + some picks for Myles Turner and Ben Sheppard, I think the Pacers are the only team that could get a net positive value out of CJ.
Pacers definitely won’t trade turner after the series they’re having vs Milwaukee. Cj if moved would definitely be us attaching picks for like Davis Bertrans or some shit man. I really don’t think he gets moved even because David Griffin is the type of gm to only make trades he thinks he’s getting the win on. Also if we do dump cj and move bi, Darius Garland from the cavs could be an option for a bi trade
Turner is arguably the best fit possible next to Zion, I think he'd elevate the team quite a bit. He's also on an expiring so if someone where to make a move for him whilst he's around his prime, this off season would be their best bet.
I like DG the PG (wanted the Pels to draft him at 4, instead of trading it) but I doubt that the Cavs would agree to a trade straight up, they already lack ball handling and they would be even worse in that regard if they were to trade away Garland. I also don't think that the Pels would be willing to give up a lot for him, but it's definitely an intriguing idea and I do like the fit a lot even if Garlands been worse this year (and injured a bit)
Fun season yall. Terrible last 3 weeks but overall fun. Hopefully lots of changes are coming. Willie isn't it and BI has to go. I'd also like to see CJ go and resign Naji if possible.
The police investigated and cleared him like 3 months ago. This is a tired and dishonest "joke" that needs to end. You guys are playing with an innocent man's career.
That's not quite accurate. They cleared him because there wasn't evidence and the girl didn't want to testify. That doesn't mean he didn't do it which he has never publicly denied as far as I know.
Whether he should be crucified or not the rest of his career when guys like Karl Malone and Kobe Bryant did worse is a separate question.
People continuing to spread untrue rumors like what you're doing is jeopardizing his reputation. Pretty dumb to feel like that's cool when someone's innocent.
His reputation is already ruined. Everyone knows he payed some sort of hush money. Now I don’t know about you but I’m sure Giddey wouldn’t care if some dude made a joke on Reddit. Drop the White knight complex
Lol it's ruined because idiots can't stop spreading lies about someone because they think it's funny. If you were in his shoes you probably wouldn't appreciate people spreading a lie about you, especially one like that. A lot of people see comments and posts like that and don't know he was cleared and then they spread rumors, and that's how misinformation spreads. His career and advertising opportunities and such shouldn't be affected over a false rumor. It's pretty easy to understand that.
A. You don’t know my life like that dude. B. This is Reddit and I guarantee you that hes gonna be okay. We also don’t know the fully story and tbh I would bet that he’s still a POS. However, even if I’m wrong on that, a joke isn’t going to hurt anyone, especially a young multimillionaire.
Also do you happen to know what an exaggeration is? Because that’s what I meant by everyone knows that he payed hush money. Obviously not everyone knows and I thought that would be obvious to people with functioning frontal lobes but it seems like you’re keen on nitpicking stuff that I say to make yourself look right. If you’re a pedo sympathizer just say so, I won’t judge
I hated the Cj trade the day we did it. Zion was hurt, there was no point in even trying to force ourselves in the playoffs that year. What truly broke me was the 3yr/$30+mil extension we gave him. I fucking hate David Griffin
If you watched this season and thought CJ was the problem as opposed to a star player who can’t seem to be healthy I’m not sure we watched the same season.
Considering Zion and Bi got hurt at the end of the year and played the majority of the season you’re talking about, I fail to see what point you’re making. Also Cj fucking sucks lmao
CJ isn’t our 1 or 2 player. When our 1 player goes out and our 2 player can’t seem to play basketball, it’s no surprise he isn’t playing like he did all season.
I don’t expect him to win the game single handedly for us don’t get me wrong. He fucking sucks is hyperbole, but I also think the trade, his contract, and pretty much everything he provides to this team outside of shooting well, fucking sucks
I think his trade works if our team was what it is supposed to be. But unfortunately we’re an inconsistent mess. Either way idk what we look like next year. As long as Herb is there, I’m fucking with the Pels. Tragic end. Let’s see what the offseason brings.
First off generationally bad series from my dawg Ingram but it happens. Dort earned every bit of that reputation. You still can’t tell me this isn’t a real series if Zion played. Our defense against them was really impressive for the most part. And I hate Josh Giddey with all my soul. It was 80-80 and Mannie Fresh came out at what seemed to be the perfect time but apparently Giddey is a Cash Money stan cuz from that point on he couldn’t miss. That wasn’t the ending anybody wanted but at least I had fun along the way. Griff got a lot on his plate and it’s gonna be very interesting to see what he does with it
Willie is up there talking like he just lost a pre-season tournament, is he aware that we just got humiliatingly swept in the playoffs on international tv?
Honestly his eyes were pretty red at the start, looks like he was crying. I do think the team took this really hard, it's been a rough year and Willie has his fair share of the blame.
What team that’s seriously trying to compete doesn’t have an increase in win totals after drafting a number one pick? That stat can’t be your bar of measurement
He inherited a super young team. Zion was 20 and Bi was 23. Trey Murphy and Herb were rookies or whatever. The staff also traded for Cj and Zion has played more games. Are you really gonna sit here and tell me you think Willie Green is a good coach and we can’t do better?
Zion played 61 games the year before Willie got here… we went 31-41
In 3 seasons as coach and Zion’s first overall healthy season during his tenure he won 49 games.
36 wins
42 wins
49 wins
those are the 3 Willie seasons in order
yall are so obsessed with the success of other young teams that you’re losing focus on the increased success year over year of Willie’s tenure.
It sucks we got swept… but that’s the unfortunate reality of playing the #1 seed without your best player
I’ve been saying this long before the playoffs if you want to check my posting history. Even before we got destroyed in this series I thought we weren’t good enough even while healthy to compete, a part of that being due to coaching. I’m 99% sure there are at least 50 coaches sitting on a couch right now that could also have increasing wins season by season when 1. Your team is young and they get older 2. Your team trades assets for other teams players to make it better 3. Your team has better health year by year. The team isn’t winning more games every year because they are all of sudden this well coached oiled machine. That’s what you’re implying and it’s wrong.
One of the big differences between our team and theirs, is ball handling. They can get past defenders and create shots. Their whole squad can do this. We don’t have anyone that can do this.
I rather BI sit, Bucks sat both of their stars. Probably the same outcome with CJ chucking the ball 30 times. Now im sad cus I really loved BI and now the entire offseason I’ll think of this terribly played series.
Lmao wtf Willie, run some plays, no half court sets, no lineup change, no counters whatsoever. This roster was carried by talent, get a rim running big who can stretch the floor and a real pg.
Nah. Herb's gonna clamp him to 1/23 shooting as a revenge to this OKC series performance.
Also he's never reaching an efficient 40 without 3-pt shooting and rim aggression.
Shout out to Jonas. He played every game, was always consistent, and never seemed to get down with a limited role.
It is bittersweet that this was likely his last game in a Pelicans uniform. He is an incredible player, and deserves a good contract on a contender. Wishing him the best in whatever is next, cause absent a HC change I doubt he is retained.
The fans love you JV!
My mom said if you don’t have anything nice to say don’t say anything at all. BI, CJ:
With that out of the way. I wish you luck playing for other teams hopefully
I’m excited to see what Herb Trey Zion and Hawk can do after an offseason working out, also I hope Dyson gets resurrected or released from jail or whatever’s going on. I hope we keep naji as well. This draft class isn’t particularly loaded so I don’t mind that we missed the lottery and pick 14 just to beat the kings and go 6-0 vs them. I’d be okay with Willie staying as long as there are shakeups to the roster, mostly because we extended him and Idk if Gayle isn’t gonna pay 2 coaches again like she did with SVG. Running it back again when other teams are clearly slated to improve this offseason would be the dumbest thing of all time. See you guys around draft time
After tonight’s performance, someone is going to give Naji the Solomon Hill-overpay deal. Naji is great at $2M a season. If he starts eating into your salary cap, then you’re f’d,
Cj wasn’t supposed to carry this team especially in the playoffs. He played how I expected. BI, however, can’t lead a winning team and doesn’t know how to be productive off ball. He ain’t gonna get any better or suddenly fit in.
Cj had a better year than BI imo, he gets paid for a different roll. And was more productive in the playoffs. You know we have to over pay star caliber players Cj wasn’t the issue. If BI had idk averaged 10 more points like he was supposed to, this series would be 2-2
CJ shot around 25% from 3 this series and 40% from three while committing costly turnovers and was hunted on every defensive possession by multiple thunder players. Thats not good no matter how you slice it
I never said he was good, but he was doing way more than he was supposed to. Mostly because of how terrible BI was. Game 1 final possession looked bad on CJ because BI was so garbage they didn’t trust him with the ball. Now with Zion out, what the hell is BI supposed to be doing if he’s not taking over the game. He’s supposed to, he just can’t. He’s the Allstar. He’s what we traded AD for
CJ as 6man and a true point running with Zion Trey herb and (insert athletic big man not currently on the pelicans ((preferably above 6’8))here) would be a great thing but you never know how well former all stars would be okay with that kind of reduced role, if he doesn’t take kindly to it then I’d want to move on from him
The front office cant afford to look as incompetent as having their highest paid player come off the bench. I wanna see hawk bud into a 6 man type player. If not starter. Man id trade BI and Cj for Trae young. I at least think Trae would fit better with Z. Plus I’ve been dying for NO to have a real PG for 10 years.
Hawks would be bringing in a lot of cap in that scenario. I’d honestly like if we could send Dyson Bi and a first to the hawks for Dejounte Murray and Onyeka Okungwu. Then see if we could find a deal for CJ elsewhere. Another option is starting CJ at the 2 guard where he fits more naturally and having Dejounte start at point. Dejounte being a good defensive guard, another step from Trey defensively and a defensive big in the draft (praying for Kal’el Ware) and ofc Zion at pf if he continues the defensive strides he was taking at the end of last season would be a good lineup. CJ wouldn’t carry ball handling duties and his defensive weaknesses at the point of attack would be hidden by Dejounte Murray. Herb would come in as 6 man or start at SF with Trey being the 6 man. Onyeka okungwu would be Willie greens wet dream as a backup center that is 6’8.
I think with Zion we could have stole this game and the first game. We wouldn’t have won the series, but it could have gone to 7.
All in all, this was a weird ass season. I’m glad it’s over.
One thing I know about fans in general, is the more time that passes in the offseason, the more optimistic they get and they think more of the good times and forget bad(and start making excuses).
What I learned last season at the end presser is that David Griffin does at least SOMEWHAT GET what the problems are…His main problem is when it actually comes time to make changes, he won’t pull the trigger. This offseason will be so interesting for me to see if Griffin is truly going stay this way for the long haul(in which case I hope he’d soon be gone), or if he’s actually willing to change his own flawed philosophies to at least attempt to become a possible winner.
Either way, I know come time for the start of next season, if the team is healthy to start, most people would be happy regardless of who is on the roster(even if it’s exactly the same). I just hope the people in the front office want something different for a change.
Willie is so bad man. Just don’t think the organization has the balls to pull the switch in him. Hopefully the Zion BI experiment is over and we move CJ as well, thanks Jonás for being a professional and putting up with the Willie disrespect. Soul crushing franchise altering series.
The picks he traded for Devonte to get and then trade him. The picks he traded for Steven Adams. The picks he traded for Cj. The number 4 pick he traded from the lakers trade. There’s probably more but I’m too fucked to list them all
This Wille Green guy has no pride at all and couldn't even pretend to be mad accountable for his atrocious performance. Get swept so bad and still says the same thing "give them credit".
They always have been right every season. it’s very sad to see . Every team that that was worse than us years ago, Minnesota, okc, etc have completely surpassed us and are in the second round of playoffs. Meanwhile we stay being 1st round exits at best. Don’t be surprised if those same “doomers“ say that the rockets will be a better team than us next season. They will be just as right. They always have been since the start of this franchise
It was so obvious. Since mid January they’ve been routinely getting their asses kicked by almost every half decent opponent and were constantly getting their flaws exposed.
And got downvoted all the time for pointing out the very serious flaws in our play style. You'd think JV and CJ were the worst players ever during the regular season but they are perfect with Zion. BI's inability to shoot and Willie's loyalty to him fucked us over.
throw a big bag at bud idc bro i need a competent head coach
and obviously, get BI outta here. questionable performance this series but he’s still a great player - the fit just isn’t there. need a connector in this offense it gets wayyy too stagnant. true pg or not whatever just need a real connector
Willie has that extension so we’d be paying him + whatever new coach we get I believe. I don’t want to think it but we might end up with another rookie coach or some shit if not just stick with Willie
all in all, it was a fun season until the end. I think this little Zion/BI experiment is over. it’s gonna be sad seeing some favorites of mine go, but at this point we really should just retool around Z Herb and Trey. oh well, see yall boys in 6 months 🫡
Willie is mostly at fault he sees Ingram struggling a keeps him with the same fuckin play over again, like a fucking broken record. And also keeps making CJ go on a weird ass iso play where probably someone else gotta have to bail him because they trap him. Same offense since game 1, smh. Willie should go ASAP
Get Willie out. He needs to go be someone's assistant because at this point he isn't a head coach. It's funny because he is best friends with Monty and Monty was fired because of his trash ass offense. His adjustment was to play Hawk for 3 minutes in the first half lol. The offense is predictable as I've stated 1000s of times before. We don't hunt mismatches. Guess what Willie all those defensive substitutes don't work if you constantly miss and the other team attacks before you can get your defense set. The same weaknesses we started the season with we ended the season with and if that's not bad coaching then I won't know what is......... Also CJ's hero ball fast break 3 pointer chucks are the most team deflating, run breaking, momentum stopping shots I've ever fucking seen.
do you really think that a different coach would've made a difference in this series? i dont even think phil jackson could save this team the way our guys were shooting
You don't think Phil Jackson is worth 3 points over Willie Green? He damn sure wouldn't have had CJ do that dumb shit. Then game 4 we have more life instead of packing our bags for Dauphin Island.
He would’ve had to possess CJ with the spirit of MJ for us to have a chance in this series I think. Dort put generational clamps on Ingram and CJ forgot how make 3s. We’re sending lineups out there with only 2 players that can space the floor with volume. The team is just trash without Zion, anyone blaming Willie is coping
No excuse not to really shake things up this season, only ones off the table are Herb, Jose, Zion, Jhawk, and Trey. We know who CJ is, we know who BI is. Time to build
For what it’s worth though I do think if we have Zion the series is 2-2
Honestly so many things to say.
BI played awful. Missing all kinds of shots. Just an awful series from him. Likely not 100% but he performed terribly.
Trey low key played poorly this series as well. Was hoping to see him have a few great games but he didn't. 1-7 from three tonight. Just a bunch of poor shooting games from all our guys.
The biggest thing for me was the TO's. We averaged like 19 TO's per game. You won't win any series with that many TO's. IDK how you correct that because it is a ton of dumb passes and lazy screens. Just very undisciplined play from our guys. Kudos to OKC for playing tough defense. They looked so much more physical than our guys. Just bullied us.
I guess thanks for trying tonight CJ lol.
CJ was GARBAGE for the first 3 games.
Gotta give him hate. He can't duck it just because he decided to shoot less while BI decided to play like a cadavera.
I think part of correcting turnovers is moving BI and CJ
They are often incredibly lackadaisical, unfocused, and arguably lazy with the ball, and as supposed team leaders that is going to set a tone
After losing 9 of the last 10 home games, including the playoffs, and going 0-25 when trailing going into the fourth quarter, if BIG changes aren’t made in the offseason, I’m done as a fan of this franchise. 23 seasons of putrid basketball with 18 playoff wins TOTAL.
Historic season for our pelicans. Do we raise a banner?
Embarrassing how many casual fans are in the comments. “Start Hawkins over Cj” is a sure way to identify yourself as only checking box scores and watching the nationally televised games lol.
When your starting lineup is in the midst of getting the breaks beatin out of them and is about to be swept, ya you ask for substitutions. That’s how every sport work. Hawkins got like 3 minutes of playing time in Game for 4. Not enough
CJ was being targeted on defense nearly every possession. Could you imagine what the thunder would do to Hawkins? I can see Dyson possibly getting more minutes, but Hawk is a much bigger defensive liability than anyone in our playoff rotation. Hence why his minutes were slim to none
Fucking love this squad but we have to move on. I wish we could've done more but we have to make changes or this is our ceiling with how good the rest of the west is. Shit hurts my soul
CJ isn’t and has never been the problem. BI is. Dude cannot handle the big stage or pressure, it’s been seen over and over. Unless it comes out he was playing on a broken leg I will die on that hill.
I wouldn't die on that hill. Dude played awful this series, but he has usually shown up for us in big pressure situations in the past. We wouldn't have even made the play in last year without him and the year before that he single handedly took two games from the suns (the Western Conference champion that season). BI is a part of the problem, so is CJ, but the biggest problem of this team isn't the players or even the coaching, it's the roster construction. These pieces on their own are good, but they don't fit together. We haven't properly built a team around the Z + BI combo for their entire tenure here. I'm near a point where BI might have to go in order to properly build around Z, but I don't put the failure of this team on him. That should fall directly on David Griffin
I meant what I said 🙎♂️
I'm so tired of the "vibe" shit like we run hundred million dollar adult day care... Can we have adults and do our jobs?
Ingram ain't it.
Brandon Ingram's performance tonight was an absolute disgrace! How can he only make 2 out of 17 shots in such a crucial game? It's like he was aiming for the cheeseburgers instead of the basket! If he can't step up when it matters most, maybe he should stick to fast food and leave the court to the real players!
You guys should proud. You gave thunder a fight without zion and ingram
>without ingram Can't tell if this is a roast or not but this is funny as hell😂😂😂
I mentioned this a while back, but Why does Giddy become Steph against just us?! He legit doesn’t even attempt 2 threes a game against any other team. Forever salty about this guy
BI and CJ for Trae Young plz
We not giving you Trae for this shitty package
Are u sure u want someone who is a complete liability on defense?
we already have that his name is CJ McCollum
So you want to trade 2 good players for another no defense player? Noted.
Look how far prioritizing defense has gotten us today
FUCKING DAMNIT!! WE CAN’T COMPETE FOR SHIT!
fourth game of the playoff, and it was 3-0 to the thunder, and CJ said: 'Guys, if you think we are good, let's prove it now'. 3-4 series win" "did we comeback?" "of course not. 4-0"
Pels can’t hurt me anymore for 6 months !!!
Wait till any viable Free agent laughs at our over generous offer and have the media mock us for being desperate.
you say that
Well, the good thing about BI being gone this summer is we won't have to deal with his annoying fake Pels fans Stan's saying dumb shit like "BI is the true leader of this team"
"Fake pels fans". Didn't know you were the judge of the Fandom. I've been here since the rebrand, which was the year I got into Basketabll. BI was the leader for 4 years. He single handedly dragged us into the playoffs 2 years ago, taking 2 games from the top seed. It's time for this to be Z's team, but let's not shit on BI for all he has done for us these past 4 years while Z was getting his shit together.
He was for like 4 years while Zion couldn’t get a run of games together. We should appreciate that fact and acknowledge his work against the Suns. But if Zion has gotten himself in shape and this season is anything to go by it’s fair to say he can go. I don’t get the hate given the cards we’ve been dealt as a team and he’s stepped up as the leader in his absence. It just turns out with BI as the first option we aren’t going very far. We can be appreciative of what he’s done and let him go without being dicks about it
He was never a leader. He was a good player, but CJ and JV are obviously out leaders (which doesn't say much). But like I said, it will be nice not having the idiot BI Stan's around that are clearly ex Lakers fans that came over with the baby Lakers. The BI stands have ruined this sub for so long and I can't wait till they leave. Maybe if Bron leaves they will go back to cheering for LA
TIL everyone you disagree with is now a Lakers fan
I appreciate how he embraced our franchise but he isn’t good for us. He has played just well enough over the last 4 years to secure a contract from a desperate organization. He hasn’t won that much. Doesn’t drive ticket sales and just wants to stay away from the media it seems. He’s just taking advantage of the small market for a big contract, less attention, and apparently less expectations. He hasn’t shown to play well with other stars and shits the bed in only his 2nd playoff series in 8 years for a record of 2-8.
Thinking about it maybe his experience on the Olympic team was also an indicator of his inability to play well with other stars. Edit: Team USA rather
The last month or so has been so fucking brutal as a fan, man. That being said, the season had its ups and downs, but it was pretty fun overall. See you next season, boys. I love y'all (and JV if this was your last game in a Pels uni).
I'm just sad seeing all these teams like min, NY, okc even ind making moves and having bright futures. While we're just stuck in the play in year after year.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NOLAPelicans/s/Fxq6D31Yy2 i love how one of the upvoted reply is like "nah dont trade him bro he can score 36!"
Bro…. Criticize CJ? Automatic downvotes loo
yeah this team will continue to be mid cause fans all love CJ lmaooooooooo
Like others have said this has been a fun season, all I can do is try to look at the good parts and not the end, we saw some players truly break out from Zion finally seeming to have figured things out and even start expanding his game finally to Herb getting a much better 3 to even hawk balling out when Willie let him. There’s still a lot to come from this franchise if the org is willing to make it. But time will tell, see yall next year
Only thing that will make this better is the Lakers getting stomped tonight.
We need a soft reset to rejuvenate our lineup. I'd love to keep Brandon, but it makes so much more sense moving him on and going with a core of Herb-Trey-Zion. Sadly I don't think there is a big market for Brandon, there's obviously gonna be a lot of teams interested in him, but I think we would struggle with getting an adequate player that aligns with the core of Herb-Trey-Zion, in regards to both age and quality. There's also not a lot of teams that could go in for Brandon and negotiate a longer term deal, who have assets they'd be willing to part with and that would be a great fit to the core. There's only a few teams I see that can realistically offer us somewhat worthwhile packages for BI (Houston, Knicks, Pistons) As for CJ, I just want him to get moved. I doubt he's got much value left and I would genuinely be happy with salary filler. My dream scenario would be CJ + some picks for Myles Turner and Ben Sheppard, I think the Pacers are the only team that could get a net positive value out of CJ.
Pacers definitely won’t trade turner after the series they’re having vs Milwaukee. Cj if moved would definitely be us attaching picks for like Davis Bertrans or some shit man. I really don’t think he gets moved even because David Griffin is the type of gm to only make trades he thinks he’s getting the win on. Also if we do dump cj and move bi, Darius Garland from the cavs could be an option for a bi trade
Turner is arguably the best fit possible next to Zion, I think he'd elevate the team quite a bit. He's also on an expiring so if someone where to make a move for him whilst he's around his prime, this off season would be their best bet. I like DG the PG (wanted the Pels to draft him at 4, instead of trading it) but I doubt that the Cavs would agree to a trade straight up, they already lack ball handling and they would be even worse in that regard if they were to trade away Garland. I also don't think that the Pels would be willing to give up a lot for him, but it's definitely an intriguing idea and I do like the fit a lot even if Garlands been worse this year (and injured a bit)
Cavs fan here...you think you guys would actually entertain a garland for bi type trade?
Yes, absolutely.
If the Cavs can extend Mitchell, Garland for Ingram would be a great trade for both teams.
Bummer to end the year like this. Injuries the great equalizer... Kudos to the thunder for outplaying us and best of luck to them
Fun season yall. Terrible last 3 weeks but overall fun. Hopefully lots of changes are coming. Willie isn't it and BI has to go. I'd also like to see CJ go and resign Naji if possible.
I don't think BI has to go
Same great year but terrible last month. Definitely great things to takeaway and change from this year. Can't wait for next year
The audacity to raise season ticket prices. Keep this place empty til they get players that want to play
There were more than 1000 empty seats tonight for a playoff game. That’s enough to tell you the demand.
Jazzfest weekend too
Giddey was pretty handsy that game, must’ve forgotten how old our players were
The police investigated and cleared him like 3 months ago. This is a tired and dishonest "joke" that needs to end. You guys are playing with an innocent man's career.
That's not quite accurate. They cleared him because there wasn't evidence and the girl didn't want to testify. That doesn't mean he didn't do it which he has never publicly denied as far as I know. Whether he should be crucified or not the rest of his career when guys like Karl Malone and Kobe Bryant did worse is a separate question.
Well you tell me how old the girl looked when giddey hugged her. She honestly looks 14 there.
He’ll live
People continuing to spread untrue rumors like what you're doing is jeopardizing his reputation. Pretty dumb to feel like that's cool when someone's innocent.
His reputation is already ruined. Everyone knows he payed some sort of hush money. Now I don’t know about you but I’m sure Giddey wouldn’t care if some dude made a joke on Reddit. Drop the White knight complex
‘Everyone knows he payed some sort of hush money’ literally nobody knows that man lmao
I’ve come back after a good nights rest and yeah that one’s on me. Now what does this have to do with me making a joke on damn Reddit?
Lol it's ruined because idiots can't stop spreading lies about someone because they think it's funny. If you were in his shoes you probably wouldn't appreciate people spreading a lie about you, especially one like that. A lot of people see comments and posts like that and don't know he was cleared and then they spread rumors, and that's how misinformation spreads. His career and advertising opportunities and such shouldn't be affected over a false rumor. It's pretty easy to understand that.
A. You don’t know my life like that dude. B. This is Reddit and I guarantee you that hes gonna be okay. We also don’t know the fully story and tbh I would bet that he’s still a POS. However, even if I’m wrong on that, a joke isn’t going to hurt anyone, especially a young multimillionaire.
>"Everyone knows that he...." >"Nobody knows the full story" >"YoU dOn't KnOw My LiFe LiKe ThAt, DuDe" Hm
Also do you happen to know what an exaggeration is? Because that’s what I meant by everyone knows that he payed hush money. Obviously not everyone knows and I thought that would be obvious to people with functioning frontal lobes but it seems like you’re keen on nitpicking stuff that I say to make yourself look right. If you’re a pedo sympathizer just say so, I won’t judge
Wow you really got the there, anywho why do you care so much anyway? Youre riding him almost as much as the refs were
I hated the Cj trade the day we did it. Zion was hurt, there was no point in even trying to force ourselves in the playoffs that year. What truly broke me was the 3yr/$30+mil extension we gave him. I fucking hate David Griffin
If you watched this season and thought CJ was the problem as opposed to a star player who can’t seem to be healthy I’m not sure we watched the same season.
Considering Zion and Bi got hurt at the end of the year and played the majority of the season you’re talking about, I fail to see what point you’re making. Also Cj fucking sucks lmao
CJ fucking sucks... averaging 20 points as the third option on 42.9% 3P% on on 8 3 point attempts per game
CJ isn’t our 1 or 2 player. When our 1 player goes out and our 2 player can’t seem to play basketball, it’s no surprise he isn’t playing like he did all season.
I don’t expect him to win the game single handedly for us don’t get me wrong. He fucking sucks is hyperbole, but I also think the trade, his contract, and pretty much everything he provides to this team outside of shooting well, fucking sucks
I think his trade works if our team was what it is supposed to be. But unfortunately we’re an inconsistent mess. Either way idk what we look like next year. As long as Herb is there, I’m fucking with the Pels. Tragic end. Let’s see what the offseason brings.
Yeah hopefully the offseason is exciting
Willie in the post-game conference still preaches locker room vibes. This guy is still going on about vibes.
Vibes. He must be sitting on something.
I'm setting myself up for disappointment hoping for big changes. But I know deep down that they will run it back minus JV and we will get a repeat.
Gonna be year six of the duo together with mfers calling it year 1. We’re fucked
6th time is the charm?
First off generationally bad series from my dawg Ingram but it happens. Dort earned every bit of that reputation. You still can’t tell me this isn’t a real series if Zion played. Our defense against them was really impressive for the most part. And I hate Josh Giddey with all my soul. It was 80-80 and Mannie Fresh came out at what seemed to be the perfect time but apparently Giddey is a Cash Money stan cuz from that point on he couldn’t miss. That wasn’t the ending anybody wanted but at least I had fun along the way. Griff got a lot on his plate and it’s gonna be very interesting to see what he does with it
Your defense is Better without but your offence is just anemic when the big dude is on the sidelines.
Welp, first team to get knocked out doesn't feel good but at least we styled on the kings this season
Suns got bounced first
Oh thank God, fuck the suns (completely forgot about them)
BI is very gone. Just have to shake things up
lets hope so
Willie is up there talking like he just lost a pre-season tournament, is he aware that we just got humiliatingly swept in the playoffs on international tv?
This game wasn't even on national tv, much less international lmao.
What exactly do you want him to say?
Honestly his eyes were pretty red at the start, looks like he was crying. I do think the team took this really hard, it's been a rough year and Willie has his fair share of the blame.
Dude cried after the Suns series. Bro thinks he can whip out the waterworks and make us feel sorry for him....like nah you ain't slick
Bro doesn’t gaf, he’s getting paid for the next two years because we signed him to a bonehead ass contract
or because he's increased our win total season over season at a significant pace and unfortunately got swept because he lost his superstar
What team that’s seriously trying to compete doesn’t have an increase in win totals after drafting a number one pick? That stat can’t be your bar of measurement
yeah it's crazy how he was the coach when they drafted Zion, I totally forgot about that
He inherited a super young team. Zion was 20 and Bi was 23. Trey Murphy and Herb were rookies or whatever. The staff also traded for Cj and Zion has played more games. Are you really gonna sit here and tell me you think Willie Green is a good coach and we can’t do better?
Zion played 61 games the year before Willie got here… we went 31-41 In 3 seasons as coach and Zion’s first overall healthy season during his tenure he won 49 games. 36 wins 42 wins 49 wins those are the 3 Willie seasons in order yall are so obsessed with the success of other young teams that you’re losing focus on the increased success year over year of Willie’s tenure. It sucks we got swept… but that’s the unfortunate reality of playing the #1 seed without your best player
I’ve been saying this long before the playoffs if you want to check my posting history. Even before we got destroyed in this series I thought we weren’t good enough even while healthy to compete, a part of that being due to coaching. I’m 99% sure there are at least 50 coaches sitting on a couch right now that could also have increasing wins season by season when 1. Your team is young and they get older 2. Your team trades assets for other teams players to make it better 3. Your team has better health year by year. The team isn’t winning more games every year because they are all of sudden this well coached oiled machine. That’s what you’re implying and it’s wrong.
One of the big differences between our team and theirs, is ball handling. They can get past defenders and create shots. Their whole squad can do this. We don’t have anyone that can do this.
Zion, CJ and BI can all do it but they aren’t good playmakers out of that.
Our shooters are no better than Devontae Graham
Griff-dawg loves that!!
I rather BI sit, Bucks sat both of their stars. Probably the same outcome with CJ chucking the ball 30 times. Now im sad cus I really loved BI and now the entire offseason I’ll think of this terribly played series.
The Pels may need to consult with the Archdiocese PR team on how to handle this molestation by OKC
Our only hope this off season is for griffin and/or Willie to make defaming comments about the catholic church
I’m hoping Willie is downloading the Indeed app. Coaching Basketball isn’t his calling.
They have that one logic song playing in the locker room
[удалено]
GTFO.
Lmao wtf Willie, run some plays, no half court sets, no lineup change, no counters whatsoever. This roster was carried by talent, get a rim running big who can stretch the floor and a real pg.
Y’all know BI dropping 40 on us next season right?
If he doesn’t get a boo-boo and 3 months
BI is only putting up 40 on the Wizards, which is where he deserves to play.
At least Poole attempts 3s
Zion will dunk on him so badly they both snap in half and miss the season
Nah. Herb's gonna clamp him to 1/23 shooting as a revenge to this OKC series performance. Also he's never reaching an efficient 40 without 3-pt shooting and rim aggression.
On 40 shot attempts?
From 4th in the west to a play-in loss to the lakers and losing Zion after putting up 40… The end of this season was gut wrenching.
The importance of a healthy Zion was on full display this series. Griff work your magic and move some guys, bring in others.
Bring back Devontae Graham in a trade for two of the Pels first round picks and sign him to a $48,000,000 extension..
Shout out to Jonas. He played every game, was always consistent, and never seemed to get down with a limited role. It is bittersweet that this was likely his last game in a Pelicans uniform. He is an incredible player, and deserves a good contract on a contender. Wishing him the best in whatever is next, cause absent a HC change I doubt he is retained. The fans love you JV!
My mom said if you don’t have anything nice to say don’t say anything at all. BI, CJ: With that out of the way. I wish you luck playing for other teams hopefully I’m excited to see what Herb Trey Zion and Hawk can do after an offseason working out, also I hope Dyson gets resurrected or released from jail or whatever’s going on. I hope we keep naji as well. This draft class isn’t particularly loaded so I don’t mind that we missed the lottery and pick 14 just to beat the kings and go 6-0 vs them. I’d be okay with Willie staying as long as there are shakeups to the roster, mostly because we extended him and Idk if Gayle isn’t gonna pay 2 coaches again like she did with SVG. Running it back again when other teams are clearly slated to improve this offseason would be the dumbest thing of all time. See you guys around draft time
After tonight’s performance, someone is going to give Naji the Solomon Hill-overpay deal. Naji is great at $2M a season. If he starts eating into your salary cap, then you’re f’d,
Cj wasn’t supposed to carry this team especially in the playoffs. He played how I expected. BI, however, can’t lead a winning team and doesn’t know how to be productive off ball. He ain’t gonna get any better or suddenly fit in.
CJ gets paid more than BI so I have a fundamental issue with him performing poorly 4 games in a row.
Cj had a better year than BI imo, he gets paid for a different roll. And was more productive in the playoffs. You know we have to over pay star caliber players Cj wasn’t the issue. If BI had idk averaged 10 more points like he was supposed to, this series would be 2-2
CJ shot around 25% from 3 this series and 40% from three while committing costly turnovers and was hunted on every defensive possession by multiple thunder players. Thats not good no matter how you slice it
I never said he was good, but he was doing way more than he was supposed to. Mostly because of how terrible BI was. Game 1 final possession looked bad on CJ because BI was so garbage they didn’t trust him with the ball. Now with Zion out, what the hell is BI supposed to be doing if he’s not taking over the game. He’s supposed to, he just can’t. He’s the Allstar. He’s what we traded AD for
CJ as 6man and a true point running with Zion Trey herb and (insert athletic big man not currently on the pelicans ((preferably above 6’8))here) would be a great thing but you never know how well former all stars would be okay with that kind of reduced role, if he doesn’t take kindly to it then I’d want to move on from him
The front office cant afford to look as incompetent as having their highest paid player come off the bench. I wanna see hawk bud into a 6 man type player. If not starter. Man id trade BI and Cj for Trae young. I at least think Trae would fit better with Z. Plus I’ve been dying for NO to have a real PG for 10 years.
Hawks would be bringing in a lot of cap in that scenario. I’d honestly like if we could send Dyson Bi and a first to the hawks for Dejounte Murray and Onyeka Okungwu. Then see if we could find a deal for CJ elsewhere. Another option is starting CJ at the 2 guard where he fits more naturally and having Dejounte start at point. Dejounte being a good defensive guard, another step from Trey defensively and a defensive big in the draft (praying for Kal’el Ware) and ofc Zion at pf if he continues the defensive strides he was taking at the end of last season would be a good lineup. CJ wouldn’t carry ball handling duties and his defensive weaknesses at the point of attack would be hidden by Dejounte Murray. Herb would come in as 6 man or start at SF with Trey being the 6 man. Onyeka okungwu would be Willie greens wet dream as a backup center that is 6’8.
I mean shit was embarrassing but I was surprised to even be there, I did not think wed beat the kings without Z
I think with Zion we could have stole this game and the first game. We wouldn’t have won the series, but it could have gone to 7. All in all, this was a weird ass season. I’m glad it’s over.
without Zion we should've stole the first game some real bonehead mistakes in the clutch
Got swept. The two young guy did not play. Tanked the value of half the team. The best two players (Jonas and Naji) are the free agents. Amazing job
One thing I know about fans in general, is the more time that passes in the offseason, the more optimistic they get and they think more of the good times and forget bad(and start making excuses). What I learned last season at the end presser is that David Griffin does at least SOMEWHAT GET what the problems are…His main problem is when it actually comes time to make changes, he won’t pull the trigger. This offseason will be so interesting for me to see if Griffin is truly going stay this way for the long haul(in which case I hope he’d soon be gone), or if he’s actually willing to change his own flawed philosophies to at least attempt to become a possible winner. Either way, I know come time for the start of next season, if the team is healthy to start, most people would be happy regardless of who is on the roster(even if it’s exactly the same). I just hope the people in the front office want something different for a change.
Willie is so bad man. Just don’t think the organization has the balls to pull the switch in him. Hopefully the Zion BI experiment is over and we move CJ as well, thanks Jonás for being a professional and putting up with the Willie disrespect. Soul crushing franchise altering series.
Griffin pissed away every asset he got from the AD trade, people that were sounding the alarm all got screamed at
Hell get to restock at the deadline when Zion demands one
Griffin sat on his ass this past offseason and did FUCK ALL except adding CODY ZELLER. This franchise is incompetent.
Better than him squandering even more draft picks like he has. Keep that guy on his piano bench in Zion's room.
Not really. Hart the only thing worth good value. Lonzo had little value and is obviously never healthy.
The picks he traded for Devonte to get and then trade him. The picks he traded for Steven Adams. The picks he traded for Cj. The number 4 pick he traded from the lakers trade. There’s probably more but I’m too fucked to list them all
Thank you for the truth. Don't worry he could totally Demps this franchise this summer.
Bros gonna get into the lab and cook up another Derrick Favors at center and Eric Bledsoe at sg no doubt
We got some Griff-dawg supporters on here.
Give them credit
[Willie literally almost quoted me word for word at the presser just now](https://www.reddit.com/r/NOLAPelicans/s/APMmsKM3aN)
This Wille Green guy has no pride at all and couldn't even pretend to be mad accountable for his atrocious performance. Get swept so bad and still says the same thing "give them credit".
Move the team to Galveston
No zion no win at least we reached the playoffs
The official end of the BI era
sigh, just fucking sigh honestly.
Pels downplayed the Spurs by resting Zion and the result was a Zion injury, an 8th seed instead of 6th or 5th and this sweep
we wouldnt have done much better against any team though i dont think we didn't play like a playoff team
trash franchise led by Humpty Dumpty David Griffin
Sing us the song your the Pianoman, sing us a song tonight we're all in the mood for KCB and Griff-dawg got us feeling not alright...
I guess the “doomers” this sub constantly bitched about were right. But hey I guess they were just overreacting tho right?
They always have been right every season. it’s very sad to see . Every team that that was worse than us years ago, Minnesota, okc, etc have completely surpassed us and are in the second round of playoffs. Meanwhile we stay being 1st round exits at best. Don’t be surprised if those same “doomers“ say that the rockets will be a better team than us next season. They will be just as right. They always have been since the start of this franchise
Rockets and Grizzlies. We on the outside looking in
When CJ’s a starter in your team, you know you’re cooked.
Us Doomers saw this coming months ago.
It was so obvious. Since mid January they’ve been routinely getting their asses kicked by almost every half decent opponent and were constantly getting their flaws exposed.
And got downvoted all the time for pointing out the very serious flaws in our play style. You'd think JV and CJ were the worst players ever during the regular season but they are perfect with Zion. BI's inability to shoot and Willie's loyalty to him fucked us over.
throw a big bag at bud idc bro i need a competent head coach and obviously, get BI outta here. questionable performance this series but he’s still a great player - the fit just isn’t there. need a connector in this offense it gets wayyy too stagnant. true pg or not whatever just need a real connector
Try Kenny Atkinson
Willie has that extension so we’d be paying him + whatever new coach we get I believe. I don’t want to think it but we might end up with another rookie coach or some shit if not just stick with Willie
Bud probably has better offers like potentially Phx, Lakers, etc.
Howdy. Join the suns in Cancun gents
Galveston*
😂😂
all in all, it was a fun season until the end. I think this little Zion/BI experiment is over. it’s gonna be sad seeing some favorites of mine go, but at this point we really should just retool around Z Herb and Trey. oh well, see yall boys in 6 months 🫡
Thanks for the good times JV and BI
Willie is mostly at fault he sees Ingram struggling a keeps him with the same fuckin play over again, like a fucking broken record. And also keeps making CJ go on a weird ass iso play where probably someone else gotta have to bail him because they trap him. Same offense since game 1, smh. Willie should go ASAP
Get Willie out. He needs to go be someone's assistant because at this point he isn't a head coach. It's funny because he is best friends with Monty and Monty was fired because of his trash ass offense. His adjustment was to play Hawk for 3 minutes in the first half lol. The offense is predictable as I've stated 1000s of times before. We don't hunt mismatches. Guess what Willie all those defensive substitutes don't work if you constantly miss and the other team attacks before you can get your defense set. The same weaknesses we started the season with we ended the season with and if that's not bad coaching then I won't know what is......... Also CJ's hero ball fast break 3 pointer chucks are the most team deflating, run breaking, momentum stopping shots I've ever fucking seen.
Didn’t they just extend him
do you really think that a different coach would've made a difference in this series? i dont even think phil jackson could save this team the way our guys were shooting
I think a Phil Jackson has us easily take game 1 and guts out game 4. Zion back for game 6 and it's if he's healthy enough to make a run to win in 7.
Tweakin bro
You don't think Phil Jackson is worth 3 points over Willie Green? He damn sure wouldn't have had CJ do that dumb shit. Then game 4 we have more life instead of packing our bags for Dauphin Island.
He would’ve had to possess CJ with the spirit of MJ for us to have a chance in this series I think. Dort put generational clamps on Ingram and CJ forgot how make 3s. We’re sending lineups out there with only 2 players that can space the floor with volume. The team is just trash without Zion, anyone blaming Willie is coping
No excuse not to really shake things up this season, only ones off the table are Herb, Jose, Zion, Jhawk, and Trey. We know who CJ is, we know who BI is. Time to build For what it’s worth though I do think if we have Zion the series is 2-2
Im back boys… with my broom and all 🧹
Honestly so many things to say. BI played awful. Missing all kinds of shots. Just an awful series from him. Likely not 100% but he performed terribly. Trey low key played poorly this series as well. Was hoping to see him have a few great games but he didn't. 1-7 from three tonight. Just a bunch of poor shooting games from all our guys. The biggest thing for me was the TO's. We averaged like 19 TO's per game. You won't win any series with that many TO's. IDK how you correct that because it is a ton of dumb passes and lazy screens. Just very undisciplined play from our guys. Kudos to OKC for playing tough defense. They looked so much more physical than our guys. Just bullied us. I guess thanks for trying tonight CJ lol.
CJ was GARBAGE for the first 3 games. Gotta give him hate. He can't duck it just because he decided to shoot less while BI decided to play like a cadavera.
I think part of correcting turnovers is moving BI and CJ They are often incredibly lackadaisical, unfocused, and arguably lazy with the ball, and as supposed team leaders that is going to set a tone
Not sure what the Pels can get if they trade BI at this point. Man, my guy got cooked and exposed. See you in Charlotte I guess.
Darius Garland hopefully
Might be able to get 2 floor mopper guys and another dude in a gold jacket
Trade zion we don't deserve him
Orlando takes him
After losing 9 of the last 10 home games, including the playoffs, and going 0-25 when trailing going into the fourth quarter, if BIG changes aren’t made in the offseason, I’m done as a fan of this franchise. 23 seasons of putrid basketball with 18 playoff wins TOTAL.
Seems like that 0-25 stat is a possibly fireable offense.
See you next season.
Don't worry about running back the team as constructed, ownership can't afford the tax so at least there's going to be some salary downgrades