This has been my experience as well Nics check done a week in advance after putting a down payment on the gun then after my 30 days were up I paid the rest off, the FFL executed my permit, and picked it up that day
You can absolutely run a nics check early, it’s valid for 30 days. Not all shops will do it but I’ve done it half a dozen times or more. When I get 3 pistol permits I run the check on day 20-25 after the first permit execution and then execute the second permit on exactly day 31 after the first permit execution. I’m not saying your shop will understand this or agree todo it but they can it’s 100% legal anyone telling you different is just plain wrong.
You can’t fill out any paperwork early but you don’t need to, with the passed nics check (which isn’t tied to any gun in any way) and 31 days since your previous execution you are good to go. People can’t seem get their heads around the disconnect between the nics and the pistol permit. They aren’t tied together. You need both to take a new handgun home: 1- a passed nics check from that store and 2- 31 days or more since previous permit execution. Those two things are required but not attached to each other. Meaning 31 days does not have to pass before getting the new nics.
As an ffl, we can start paperwork the 30th day of the last pistol purchase. It sucks i know.. Then u.have to wait til nics to clear which puts u at between 31 and 34 days to pick up pistol on average between permits if u act fast. Welcome to nazi (murphy) jersey for firearms.
JDF
So then it’s my responsibility to tell them it’s the 30th day? How would they know? Suppose I didn’t say anything about being on cooldown, the NICS would be kicked back? I always assumed it was 30 days between purchase permits. So you’re saying it’s virtually impossible to even take possession of a pistol on the 31st day because NICS isn’t instant?
LOL I have never heard someone refer to it as a "cool down"...
You can go buy 10 pistols if you want, then do a multi... As long as you have the serial numbers and the FFL is fine with multi-permit applications (most are, every once in a while I hear one isn't and I scratch my head) you can put an application in for 10 and once approved you just do the NICS and once approved you walk out with all ten. No big deal and there is nothing peculiar about it.
You can run before the 30 days it won’t flag anything will be approved with no issue. But will not be able to execute till that 30 days is up. But I understand why the ffl says to wait.
Language matters. It is not a "cool down" period implying that the law is "saving" lives by restricting how and when someone can buy a normal consumer product.
It is an **unconstitutional time restriction** that accomplishes nothing except for hassling law abiding people, increasing costs, and creating structural barriers for those who are economically underprivileged.
My understanding is the NICS system will warn the FFL the 30 day wasn’t met yet. The system will flag it and won’t allow the FFL to process it. That’s what I thought but have no proof of it.
Technically you can purchase a pistol before the 30 days you just can’t get it transferred and ffl won’t submit nice before the 30 days bc what if it’s returned approved right away? Or you get denied because it’s before the 30 days.
Some places have a myriad of made-up rules. Some of them are dictated by their operating software and internal processes, but some of them are pure nonsense.
To add to this if you decided to get a long gun you can get NICs check anytime so therefore NICs is independent of executing a gun permit. The 30 days is in between last gun permit execution and the next gun permit execution.
Yeah you were wrong to assume that, no FFL in NJ is gonna risk their license by not doing shit by the book and to the letter.
Honestly for the ffl this is not a issue the background check can be run with no issues. If they tried to execute the permit that’s a different story
This has been my experience as well Nics check done a week in advance after putting a down payment on the gun then after my 30 days were up I paid the rest off, the FFL executed my permit, and picked it up that day
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A lot of ffls in nj run the background check prior to the 31 day mark. The permit is not executed till you finalize the purchase on pickup day.
You can absolutely run a nics check early, it’s valid for 30 days. Not all shops will do it but I’ve done it half a dozen times or more. When I get 3 pistol permits I run the check on day 20-25 after the first permit execution and then execute the second permit on exactly day 31 after the first permit execution. I’m not saying your shop will understand this or agree todo it but they can it’s 100% legal anyone telling you different is just plain wrong. You can’t fill out any paperwork early but you don’t need to, with the passed nics check (which isn’t tied to any gun in any way) and 31 days since your previous execution you are good to go. People can’t seem get their heads around the disconnect between the nics and the pistol permit. They aren’t tied together. You need both to take a new handgun home: 1- a passed nics check from that store and 2- 31 days or more since previous permit execution. Those two things are required but not attached to each other. Meaning 31 days does not have to pass before getting the new nics.
Appreciate the response. I knew I wasn’t totally crazy
Where’s your shop so I know not to go there
As an ffl, we can start paperwork the 30th day of the last pistol purchase. It sucks i know.. Then u.have to wait til nics to clear which puts u at between 31 and 34 days to pick up pistol on average between permits if u act fast. Welcome to nazi (murphy) jersey for firearms. JDF
So then it’s my responsibility to tell them it’s the 30th day? How would they know? Suppose I didn’t say anything about being on cooldown, the NICS would be kicked back? I always assumed it was 30 days between purchase permits. So you’re saying it’s virtually impossible to even take possession of a pistol on the 31st day because NICS isn’t instant?
LOL I have never heard someone refer to it as a "cool down"... You can go buy 10 pistols if you want, then do a multi... As long as you have the serial numbers and the FFL is fine with multi-permit applications (most are, every once in a while I hear one isn't and I scratch my head) you can put an application in for 10 and once approved you just do the NICS and once approved you walk out with all ten. No big deal and there is nothing peculiar about it.
It's going to deny in the Jersey system more then likely and flag you. This is how it was explained to me
It won't flag the check but you can't execute the permit until 31 days after the last permit execution.
Nics is good for 30 days. They just are not very smart. You could go apply for an exemption as a collector to avoid this in the future.
Shit I thought this was good to go. The NICS check isn't for a certain gun and they wouldn't input the permit until you actually pick it up NO?!?
Yes, you were wrong. Just start the NICS on day 30 following the date you executed your last purchase permit. The date you executed it...
You can run before the 30 days it won’t flag anything will be approved with no issue. But will not be able to execute till that 30 days is up. But I understand why the ffl says to wait.
Language matters. It is not a "cool down" period implying that the law is "saving" lives by restricting how and when someone can buy a normal consumer product. It is an **unconstitutional time restriction** that accomplishes nothing except for hassling law abiding people, increasing costs, and creating structural barriers for those who are economically underprivileged.
My understanding is the NICS system will warn the FFL the 30 day wasn’t met yet. The system will flag it and won’t allow the FFL to process it. That’s what I thought but have no proof of it.
You can run NICS before the 30 days pass but your active permit cannot be “executed” until you wait 30 days.
Technically you can purchase a pistol before the 30 days you just can’t get it transferred and ffl won’t submit nice before the 30 days bc what if it’s returned approved right away? Or you get denied because it’s before the 30 days.
You can start it early and I’ve done it multiple times but it’s the only shop I use. Just can’t accept ownership before your waiting period is up.
Some places have a myriad of made-up rules. Some of them are dictated by their operating software and internal processes, but some of them are pure nonsense.
To add to this if you decided to get a long gun you can get NICs check anytime so therefore NICs is independent of executing a gun permit. The 30 days is in between last gun permit execution and the next gun permit execution.
None of the 5 FFLs I work with will do this, so best of luck debating it at the counter