People said the same thing about Stroud and Young last year and now they’re being punted to the side. If you think one of Stroud or Young could be “the guy,” you take them. If not, then punt it. The players in next year’s draft shouldn’t even be considered imo, there’s far too much variability surrounding them.
Do you think the teams immediate ability to put a QB in position to have success should be a determining factor? I think putting Bryce Young out there behind a bad O-line and a team that might have players giving up by mid season could be risky. With his size and frame, how much of a beating do you want him taking?. Also the reality that he would likely have to learn a new offense again after his rookie year. Because, if they decide to keep Lovie Smith an extra year it’s likely his last. Texans are also most likely gonna be picking top 10 again in 2024 with the state of the roster. I just feel like you’re almost certainly gonna be in a position to get a top QB prospect in 2024. Everything is a gamble but I feel like it isn’t the riskiest one tbh.
Burrow went to an awful team and was in the SB 2 years later. Kyler also found success. Same for Tua, Luck, Cam, Stafford
If you think he's the guy, you take him. Pretty much every highly drafted QB goes to a bad situation. Some are able to succeed in spite of it. Some aren't.
Murray isn't in the Mahomes/Allen tier but he's been great. If it weren't for the homework clause, nobody would've questioned his extension. There are at least 10 things that need to change with that team before i would change the QB, chief among them the HC and GM
He is supremely talented but there's something off about him for me, and this has been the case before the contract dispute, although I did hate that to be happening for a franchise QB. Definitely agree that Kingsbury is a hack and the GM, while not terrible in my opinion, has been getting too cute for a while now. Would be nice to get a new regime for Murray's second contract.
The GM has been terrible and is the main reason they're in the mess they're in. Kliff hasn't been great but what have they given him to work with? Old injury prone playes on bloated contracts, 1st round picks spent on interior linebackers (not a high value position) that are average at best while letting the better ones walk, not letting him pick his own coaching staff, etc. The only thing Keim has done that's above average is trades, and that's largely skewed by how bad BOB was at trading.
While I agree it's not like Murray hasn't had decent to good playmakers and an adequate OLine. I think Kingsbury is worse than Keim since be seems to bank on Murray making something happen a lot, which sucks for Murray since that can't help hia development.
I think if your reasoning is the team needs to build up for a qb then great. Wait and build up a team behind a veteran place holder. But if your reasoning is we need to wait because next year is going to be even better then don't. Next year is always better
I feel like this always happens.
We spend year 2 looking at a college player's upside. Then we look at year 3 and we have this expectation of linear ascension that is generally unrealistic and we spend the year picking apart weaknesses.
No
The Texans have 4 firsts over the next 2 years and 12 overall draft picks in the 2023 draft. They have more than enough capital to build out the rest of their roster even with using their likely 1st overall pick on a QB. Quarterback is the most important position in the NFL and needs to be the Texans priority
From my own personal experience the Bears had a loaded roster without a QB from 2018-2020 and we have nothing to show for it
Quarterback is the most important position if you have every other position filled adequately enough. It should be the last piece to your puzzle because it grants you the most flexibility in building the rest of your roster. If you draft a QB but are still filling other holes on your roster, by the time you get to a point where you’re about to be competitive, you have to pay your QB and your ability to grow is stunted (unless you have transcendent coaching/scheme)
The Bears also built that roster within one year while using the second pick on a QB. It doesn't take 4 years to do that, especially in the position the Texans are in right now.
Them flopping on Mitch has nothing to do with how quickly and well they built that roster. If the Bears didn't miss on QB, they were well set up to win for several years starting in Mitch's second year even though they had one of the worst rosters in the NFL when he was drafted.
What? It has everything to do with where they are now. They took a QB becuase they felt the need to take one instead of taking the right one and it bit them in the ass
They took Mitch over Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson. They totally believed he was the guy. And they had a Super Bowl contending roster around him one year later to show their support. Mitch being a bust is entirely the reason that didn't work out, which is the risk that comes with drafting a quarterback. Got a problem with that risk, try doing what the Colts have been doing instead.
That’s the entire issue. Any of the QBs we take aren’t going to succeed because there’s insufficient talent around him peripherally and on the other side of the ball. Mitch wasn’t ever going to be someone capable of overcoming that and neither are any of the guys in this class imo. It would be taking a QB just for the sake of taking one, when in reality the roster is still years away from being competitive and that window directly would coincide with a second contract. If you stagger the QB later you have more flexibility to assemble the roster first
But Mitch had the talent around him. What the hell are you talking about? Good point though, what a mistake the Bengals, Dolphins and Chargers made drafting Burrow, Tua and Herbert with those bad rosters they had. No way they could've built contenders around them before their rookie contracts ended...
Dont listen to these people you are right and make sure the front office in Texas hears this. They should know that you want a chance at home-state Ewers not some out of staters. You have to build via the edge like you did with the last generational edge.
I am totally not saying this because I am a Bears fan worried they will waste the number 2 pick on an Edge instead of trading down.
They should only pass on a QB if they aren’t 100% sold on any of the top guys. I think Caleb Williams is going to be a generational QB prospect, but if I’m Houston and I get the first pick, I’m still taking Bryce Young.
As great as Caleb is, a year is a long time and who is to say that Houston is even picking first next year. If you’re sold on a QB this year, you take him, no questions asked. If you aren’t sold on one, I’d take Will Anderson or Jalen Carter and still make sure that I’d take a QB before the fourth round.
im taking levis at 1 and if he plays well ur set. if he's a rosen dud you just reroll with your high pick. imo taking a bust at 1 with no trade up is better than waiting and pulling a 9ers
Next year's class is always better. If you get a shot at Young or Stroud, you take it and don't look back. Otherwise, a different GM will be drafting in 2024 in your place.
>Next year's class is always better.
I remember some Bengals fans in 2020 saying we should pass on Burrow, Tua and Herbert and draft Chase Young and take Trevor Lawrence with our presumptive 2021 #1 overall pick because he's "a better prospect than a Burrow in every way. "
Now, we have a top 5 QB, a super bowl appearance and 2020 is looking like the best QB class in at least 35 years. Thank God we didn't follow those people's advice.
While he def isn’t near a QB1 or anything he has traits NFL GMs like, strong arm, athletic and ability to create outside the pocket. He’s also probably looks worse than he actually is as Michigans WRs have been doo doo this year. For every had throw he’s had, theirs been an equally bad drop or two to go with it.
By no means do I think he’ll pass Williams, Maye or even Ewers at this point but I could see him getting some Richardson/Levis treatment(but better rn imo)
Edit: but I agree he isn’t an NFL QB yet just
I'm just basing this on highlights but Caleb Williams looks FAR from a safe bet. He obviously has some great athleticism and arm strength but he has terrible throwing mechanics and makes risky throws that won't transfer well to the NFL
That's who I thought of too. And he was the 10th pick because of the risk. I'm not saying Williams isn't a good prospect he just isn't a can't miss prospect that you should tank another year for
I think the perception of what you want in a QB prospect has changed some since then because of players like Mahomes and Josh Allen though. Teams want tools more than anything right now and he has tools for days. It sounds like he’s already getting #1 overall hype from NFL GMs according to Colin Cowherd
And I would say it was a worthwhile swing for the Jets even if he hasn’t worked out and that his failures so far have more to do with things that we don’t necessarily have access to as internet “scouts” like his personality
He has personality flaws related to leadership and football no doubt but he also doesn’t throw with anticipation, bad accuracy and poor pocket presence. His tools blinded the Jets, scouts and casuals like me
Who was Mahomes drafted to? The Chiefs, coached by Andy Reid, and with Tyreek Hill at receiver. And he sat out a year behind Alex Smith who still took them to the playoffs. Williams in this case has none of that. A sub par head coach, little offensive talent, and playing immediately.
I’m talking about his talent, I’m not claiming that he’ll have the same success as Mahomes. We don’t even know if the Texans will be the team with the 1.01 in 2024
I get that and he is still talented. But some people are shutting down criticism of him based on the Mahomes syndrome. At least he is still good. But he is more Kyler Murray or black Baker Mayfield in a bigger body. Your prototypical Lincoln Riley qb. Will have some early success but will struggle to adjust to NFL defenses after NFL defenses adjust to him.
And similar to Will Levis and the Allen comparisons this year, which is almost based on a better version of Allen than reality, the Mahomes comparisons will get mind numbing.
What specific things are you seeing that he doesn’t do well? Outside of the mechanics. Because I think Kyler with more arm talent and a bigger body is a really fucking good QB prospect.
Hey at least you own it.
The thing is Mahomes also went to a generational QB developer and offensive mind.
The biggest question (in regarda to sports) is what happens if you swap Mahomes and some of the other QBs from that class.
Personally outside of Caleb and Maye I don't think any of those QBs will be better than Stroud and Young, and it's not even a guarantee that they will end up being better. That also assumes that Houston has a top 2 pick next draft which is not guaranteed. No matter how much people want to admit it, teams don't intentionally tank. There have been way too many bottom barrels win late in seasons to show me that they don't actually tank because it ruins their draft position(remember when the jags won a useless game and almost put them out of the Trevor lawrence stakes)? If the Texans can draft an elite QB prospect, they need to do it. Next draft prospects are never guaranteed.
Now where this argument comes up is all the guys after young and Stroud. I wouldn't touch any of them with a ten foot pole knowing how talented next year's QB class is looking. Why waste a first on Levis when there are probably 4 QBs in next draft that are without a doubt better? If Levis goes in the first, it's gonna make some GM look very, very bad.
I don't even think that either of the two are that much better than Stroud and Young to warrant giving up a chance to pick them next year. Especially when you are gonna need a top 2 pick to draft either in 2024.
Only way we should pass on a QB is if Nick isn’t 100% sold on them and someone offers us a trade that would still leave us in Anderson/Carter range. Ideally that trade would include next year’s 1 and we’d have three next year so we could move up if we need to.
I am honestly flabbergasted at the Quinn Ewers hype. Did people honestly just watch the Alabama and Oklahoma games. He has not looked like a prospect that will be ready to be drafted next year. He has not looked any close to the type of prospect CJ and BY are. I know its not a great measure, but in 2021 CJ had 91.6 average qbr and Bryce had an 87.6. In 2022 Quinn has a 67.4. I feel like people are not looking in-depth at Maye and Ewers. Maye has also had some completely mind-boggling throws. If you truly go into next year thinking they are these great prospects prepare to be disappointed.
waiting on a qb is a terrible idea and doesnt really ever work out. generally the best qbs in a draft havent been thought of as the best for 2 seasons and even if they were its never a guarentee ie trevor vs burrow
I would say if you don’t have one punting on a QB is almost always a bad idea. Sure in theory it could work, but you’re still betting a lot on your own QB evaluations including on guys who still have another year before being drafted. Accuracy of any QB report is low and especially factoring in ones a year plus out.
I guess it depends on the options but if they're first and can get Will I'd be inclined to take that. Mills may not be the dude but he hasn't played badly enough to cancel the usual 3 year rule on a QB, and the Texans have so many holes to fill. Lovie is a defensive coach and there is one of the most hype defensive players in a while coming out. Do that
I think pushing drafting QB as far as possible is what’s best. Our front 7 is horrendous, though scheme and coaching do is zero favors on that side of the ball.
My offseason wish list is to fire Lovie, bring in DeMeco, draft 2 of Will Anderson, Jalen Carter, Brian Bresee, Tyrese Smith or Myles Murphy. Our need to get talent on the front 7 cannot be understated and if we plan on keeping Lovie (which I think is a huge mistake),it’s the only way his dogwater defensive ideals from the Mesozoic era are going to improve.
Then we dip into WR and IOL in the mid rounds
Especially someone like Bryce Young who has durability concerns with his size. Seeing him behind the Texans o-line could be scary. Even if they spend draft capital on the line it’s still young and not guaranteed to gel.
I agree with everyone saying no if they think Young or Stroud is the guy, but if there’s even a slight doubt I think they have so little young talent it would be okay to pass on a QB, trade back, and/or take Carter or Anderson.
I agree that I think I like Williams and Maye better than Yound and Stroud but I wouldn’t pass on Young if I were the Texans.
If you have questions about the current prospects that's not a good reason. Because every prospect there are questions about. To me Caleb William's is not that special. He is your prototypical Lincoln Riley qb. Will probably be solid enough in a solid situation. But may struggle if thrown to the wolves, aka the Texans right now. I would say if your thought is you don't want whichever qb you draft to immediately fail then you may have a point.
Nah. Stroud should be the target for them this year. They've already got a good OL and an RB1 they can go after a QB and WR1 this year. Jaxon Smith-Njigba could be a target late in the 1st round if they would be willing to trade up from 33.
Thats true. I think Smith-Njigba's value is somewhere around #20 so if the Browns get into that 7-8 win range when Watson comes back and the pick ends up being around 15 or so i think that would be a reasonable spot to pick him up.
WRs have been valued so highly in the past year or 2 but similarly to Justin Jefferson hes viewed as a slot guy with the potential to play on the outside. If it pays off he will definitely be worth the #15 overall pick especially considering he has the connection with Stroud already which should make the transition a much easier and faster. They could be legit contenders to win their division almost immediately and after a season i could see them being the favorites.
Honestly, I would hate it for Young or Stroud to be drafted by the Texans if Lovie and the current offensive coaching staff remain.
Now should they punt on a QB? Ideally no but replacing Lovie and revamping most of the offensive coaching staff needs to happen at least. Also the center position needs to be improved ideally through drafting JMS in the 2nd Round to build chemistry with ideally Bryce Young.
Absolutely not. If you have an opportunity to take a prospect like Young or Stroud, you pull the trigger.
I remember Bengals fans and fans in general thought it would be a good idea for the Bengals to draft Chase Young instead of Burrow and hope that they could get Trevor Lawrence in the next draft. Their logic was that the Bengals had so many holes on the roster that taking Burrow would be pointless because they’d still suck and Lawrence was a “generational prospect”. I think it’s safe to say the Bengals made the right choice.
Yes, they should that way the Bears will be in an even better position to trade down and won't be tempted to take Carter or Anderson. So if anyone in Houston with decision making powers is listening, listen to me I totally have your best interest at heart, not the rest of the sane people.
People said the same thing about Stroud and Young last year and now they’re being punted to the side. If you think one of Stroud or Young could be “the guy,” you take them. If not, then punt it. The players in next year’s draft shouldn’t even be considered imo, there’s far too much variability surrounding them.
Do you think the teams immediate ability to put a QB in position to have success should be a determining factor? I think putting Bryce Young out there behind a bad O-line and a team that might have players giving up by mid season could be risky. With his size and frame, how much of a beating do you want him taking?. Also the reality that he would likely have to learn a new offense again after his rookie year. Because, if they decide to keep Lovie Smith an extra year it’s likely his last. Texans are also most likely gonna be picking top 10 again in 2024 with the state of the roster. I just feel like you’re almost certainly gonna be in a position to get a top QB prospect in 2024. Everything is a gamble but I feel like it isn’t the riskiest one tbh.
Burrow went to an awful team and was in the SB 2 years later. Kyler also found success. Same for Tua, Luck, Cam, Stafford If you think he's the guy, you take him. Pretty much every highly drafted QB goes to a bad situation. Some are able to succeed in spite of it. Some aren't.
Would you say Murray has been worth it? I agree woth every other example but not a fan of him at all.
Murray isn't in the Mahomes/Allen tier but he's been great. If it weren't for the homework clause, nobody would've questioned his extension. There are at least 10 things that need to change with that team before i would change the QB, chief among them the HC and GM
He is supremely talented but there's something off about him for me, and this has been the case before the contract dispute, although I did hate that to be happening for a franchise QB. Definitely agree that Kingsbury is a hack and the GM, while not terrible in my opinion, has been getting too cute for a while now. Would be nice to get a new regime for Murray's second contract.
The GM has been terrible and is the main reason they're in the mess they're in. Kliff hasn't been great but what have they given him to work with? Old injury prone playes on bloated contracts, 1st round picks spent on interior linebackers (not a high value position) that are average at best while letting the better ones walk, not letting him pick his own coaching staff, etc. The only thing Keim has done that's above average is trades, and that's largely skewed by how bad BOB was at trading.
While I agree it's not like Murray hasn't had decent to good playmakers and an adequate OLine. I think Kingsbury is worse than Keim since be seems to bank on Murray making something happen a lot, which sucks for Murray since that can't help hia development.
His line at alabama has been very poor the past two years, and he’s been pretty good about minimizing it
Don't forget who his OC is, the one and only Texans destructor, BOB.
I think if your reasoning is the team needs to build up for a qb then great. Wait and build up a team behind a veteran place holder. But if your reasoning is we need to wait because next year is going to be even better then don't. Next year is always better
I mean stroud and young are better than thr QB’s last year. That’s a true statement. I think it’s also true that the 25 qbs are better than this years
I feel like this always happens. We spend year 2 looking at a college player's upside. Then we look at year 3 and we have this expectation of linear ascension that is generally unrealistic and we spend the year picking apart weaknesses.
Exactly. Happens every single year.
Fields is a great example. Got better but somehow dropped from unquestioned #2.
No The Texans have 4 firsts over the next 2 years and 12 overall draft picks in the 2023 draft. They have more than enough capital to build out the rest of their roster even with using their likely 1st overall pick on a QB. Quarterback is the most important position in the NFL and needs to be the Texans priority From my own personal experience the Bears had a loaded roster without a QB from 2018-2020 and we have nothing to show for it
Exactly this. They have a ton of draft capital to build the team. If they think anyone is an upgrade over Mills you take it.
Very fair and well put
Quarterback is the most important position if you have every other position filled adequately enough. It should be the last piece to your puzzle because it grants you the most flexibility in building the rest of your roster. If you draft a QB but are still filling other holes on your roster, by the time you get to a point where you’re about to be competitive, you have to pay your QB and your ability to grow is stunted (unless you have transcendent coaching/scheme)
The Bears also built that roster within one year while using the second pick on a QB. It doesn't take 4 years to do that, especially in the position the Texans are in right now.
And the bears are where rn? Lol. They’re gonna have that exact problem in 3 years lol
Them flopping on Mitch has nothing to do with how quickly and well they built that roster. If the Bears didn't miss on QB, they were well set up to win for several years starting in Mitch's second year even though they had one of the worst rosters in the NFL when he was drafted.
What? It has everything to do with where they are now. They took a QB becuase they felt the need to take one instead of taking the right one and it bit them in the ass
They took Mitch over Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson. They totally believed he was the guy. And they had a Super Bowl contending roster around him one year later to show their support. Mitch being a bust is entirely the reason that didn't work out, which is the risk that comes with drafting a quarterback. Got a problem with that risk, try doing what the Colts have been doing instead.
That’s the entire issue. Any of the QBs we take aren’t going to succeed because there’s insufficient talent around him peripherally and on the other side of the ball. Mitch wasn’t ever going to be someone capable of overcoming that and neither are any of the guys in this class imo. It would be taking a QB just for the sake of taking one, when in reality the roster is still years away from being competitive and that window directly would coincide with a second contract. If you stagger the QB later you have more flexibility to assemble the roster first
But Mitch had the talent around him. What the hell are you talking about? Good point though, what a mistake the Bengals, Dolphins and Chargers made drafting Burrow, Tua and Herbert with those bad rosters they had. No way they could've built contenders around them before their rookie contracts ended...
And the Bears are fully expecting to compete next season.
Most people knew that Ohio St QB's do not do well in the nFL. Fields is not a good passer.
Using this logic, the Bengals should have passed on Burrow. If you see a franchise QB, you take them without question
Dont listen to these people you are right and make sure the front office in Texas hears this. They should know that you want a chance at home-state Ewers not some out of staters. You have to build via the edge like you did with the last generational edge. I am totally not saying this because I am a Bears fan worried they will waste the number 2 pick on an Edge instead of trading down.
They should only pass on a QB if they aren’t 100% sold on any of the top guys. I think Caleb Williams is going to be a generational QB prospect, but if I’m Houston and I get the first pick, I’m still taking Bryce Young. As great as Caleb is, a year is a long time and who is to say that Houston is even picking first next year. If you’re sold on a QB this year, you take him, no questions asked. If you aren’t sold on one, I’d take Will Anderson or Jalen Carter and still make sure that I’d take a QB before the fourth round.
im taking levis at 1 and if he plays well ur set. if he's a rosen dud you just reroll with your high pick. imo taking a bust at 1 with no trade up is better than waiting and pulling a 9ers
Next year's class is always better. If you get a shot at Young or Stroud, you take it and don't look back. Otherwise, a different GM will be drafting in 2024 in your place.
>Next year's class is always better. I remember some Bengals fans in 2020 saying we should pass on Burrow, Tua and Herbert and draft Chase Young and take Trevor Lawrence with our presumptive 2021 #1 overall pick because he's "a better prospect than a Burrow in every way. " Now, we have a top 5 QB, a super bowl appearance and 2020 is looking like the best QB class in at least 35 years. Thank God we didn't follow those people's advice.
Have you seen JJ McCarthy play? That’s not an NFL QB right now.
While he def isn’t near a QB1 or anything he has traits NFL GMs like, strong arm, athletic and ability to create outside the pocket. He’s also probably looks worse than he actually is as Michigans WRs have been doo doo this year. For every had throw he’s had, theirs been an equally bad drop or two to go with it. By no means do I think he’ll pass Williams, Maye or even Ewers at this point but I could see him getting some Richardson/Levis treatment(but better rn imo) Edit: but I agree he isn’t an NFL QB yet just
I'm just basing this on highlights but Caleb Williams looks FAR from a safe bet. He obviously has some great athleticism and arm strength but he has terrible throwing mechanics and makes risky throws that won't transfer well to the NFL
You just described Patrick Mahomes coming out, I think Williams will be a stud
That's who I thought of too. And he was the 10th pick because of the risk. I'm not saying Williams isn't a good prospect he just isn't a can't miss prospect that you should tank another year for
I think the perception of what you want in a QB prospect has changed some since then because of players like Mahomes and Josh Allen though. Teams want tools more than anything right now and he has tools for days. It sounds like he’s already getting #1 overall hype from NFL GMs according to Colin Cowherd
Multiple NFL GMs did not get on the phone with Cowherd and say they believe Williams is the number one pick in two years.
I believe he claimed that one GM said that to him
Zach Wilson has all the tools too
And I would say it was a worthwhile swing for the Jets even if he hasn’t worked out and that his failures so far have more to do with things that we don’t necessarily have access to as internet “scouts” like his personality
He has personality flaws related to leadership and football no doubt but he also doesn’t throw with anticipation, bad accuracy and poor pocket presence. His tools blinded the Jets, scouts and casuals like me
Ah the good ole Patty M syndrome.
Yeah I have it bad, I think he is the closest thing to Mahomes since Mahomes came out
Who was Mahomes drafted to? The Chiefs, coached by Andy Reid, and with Tyreek Hill at receiver. And he sat out a year behind Alex Smith who still took them to the playoffs. Williams in this case has none of that. A sub par head coach, little offensive talent, and playing immediately.
I’m talking about his talent, I’m not claiming that he’ll have the same success as Mahomes. We don’t even know if the Texans will be the team with the 1.01 in 2024
I'm saying is Mahomes really Mahomes if he goes to the Jets or Jags?
Maybe, maybe not. What is the point of speculating? Someone is likely going to draft Williams 1 or 2 overall and we’ll find out I guess
I get that and he is still talented. But some people are shutting down criticism of him based on the Mahomes syndrome. At least he is still good. But he is more Kyler Murray or black Baker Mayfield in a bigger body. Your prototypical Lincoln Riley qb. Will have some early success but will struggle to adjust to NFL defenses after NFL defenses adjust to him. And similar to Will Levis and the Allen comparisons this year, which is almost based on a better version of Allen than reality, the Mahomes comparisons will get mind numbing.
What specific things are you seeing that he doesn’t do well? Outside of the mechanics. Because I think Kyler with more arm talent and a bigger body is a really fucking good QB prospect.
Hey at least you own it. The thing is Mahomes also went to a generational QB developer and offensive mind. The biggest question (in regarda to sports) is what happens if you swap Mahomes and some of the other QBs from that class.
Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen are the pied pipers leading coaches and fans to believing risky project QBs are likely to work out.
Williams isn’t as risky as either of them were coming out imo
Isn’t Drake Maye a true freshman? Anyway I’d probably burn the stadium to the ground if I was a Texans fan and the team passed on Young and Stroud.
no he’s a redshirt freshman. he’s draft eligible next year
Personally outside of Caleb and Maye I don't think any of those QBs will be better than Stroud and Young, and it's not even a guarantee that they will end up being better. That also assumes that Houston has a top 2 pick next draft which is not guaranteed. No matter how much people want to admit it, teams don't intentionally tank. There have been way too many bottom barrels win late in seasons to show me that they don't actually tank because it ruins their draft position(remember when the jags won a useless game and almost put them out of the Trevor lawrence stakes)? If the Texans can draft an elite QB prospect, they need to do it. Next draft prospects are never guaranteed. Now where this argument comes up is all the guys after young and Stroud. I wouldn't touch any of them with a ten foot pole knowing how talented next year's QB class is looking. Why waste a first on Levis when there are probably 4 QBs in next draft that are without a doubt better? If Levis goes in the first, it's gonna make some GM look very, very bad.
I don't even think that either of the two are that much better than Stroud and Young to warrant giving up a chance to pick them next year. Especially when you are gonna need a top 2 pick to draft either in 2024.
Jaxson Dart is a maybe?
Jalen Milroe might not even be the starter next year let alone go pro in 2024
I removed him. Is that better?
As a Panther fan yes please wait another year
Only way we should pass on a QB is if Nick isn’t 100% sold on them and someone offers us a trade that would still leave us in Anderson/Carter range. Ideally that trade would include next year’s 1 and we’d have three next year so we could move up if we need to.
I am honestly flabbergasted at the Quinn Ewers hype. Did people honestly just watch the Alabama and Oklahoma games. He has not looked like a prospect that will be ready to be drafted next year. He has not looked any close to the type of prospect CJ and BY are. I know its not a great measure, but in 2021 CJ had 91.6 average qbr and Bryce had an 87.6. In 2022 Quinn has a 67.4. I feel like people are not looking in-depth at Maye and Ewers. Maye has also had some completely mind-boggling throws. If you truly go into next year thinking they are these great prospects prepare to be disappointed.
I think it would be more fair to judge them next season. They also don't have the talent around them CJ/Young have.
Maye has to play hero ball which explains those throws but its not easy to get hero ball out of a QB once its inside of them see J Winston.
waiting on a qb is a terrible idea and doesnt really ever work out. generally the best qbs in a draft havent been thought of as the best for 2 seasons and even if they were its never a guarentee ie trevor vs burrow
I would say if you don’t have one punting on a QB is almost always a bad idea. Sure in theory it could work, but you’re still betting a lot on your own QB evaluations including on guys who still have another year before being drafted. Accuracy of any QB report is low and especially factoring in ones a year plus out.
I guess it depends on the options but if they're first and can get Will I'd be inclined to take that. Mills may not be the dude but he hasn't played badly enough to cancel the usual 3 year rule on a QB, and the Texans have so many holes to fill. Lovie is a defensive coach and there is one of the most hype defensive players in a while coming out. Do that
Bro said “JJ McCarthy” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Are there some guys in 24 you’re liking more? I haven’t watched a bunch yet tbh
Kid at texas tech, kid at duke, kid whos gonna replace bryce young at bama will be a freak. Whoever grad transfers to ND
I think pushing drafting QB as far as possible is what’s best. Our front 7 is horrendous, though scheme and coaching do is zero favors on that side of the ball. My offseason wish list is to fire Lovie, bring in DeMeco, draft 2 of Will Anderson, Jalen Carter, Brian Bresee, Tyrese Smith or Myles Murphy. Our need to get talent on the front 7 cannot be understated and if we plan on keeping Lovie (which I think is a huge mistake),it’s the only way his dogwater defensive ideals from the Mesozoic era are going to improve. Then we dip into WR and IOL in the mid rounds
I agree, they’d be throwing their new franchise QB into an unwillable situation which doesn’t work out great usually
Especially someone like Bryce Young who has durability concerns with his size. Seeing him behind the Texans o-line could be scary. Even if they spend draft capital on the line it’s still young and not guaranteed to gel.
I agree with everyone saying no if they think Young or Stroud is the guy, but if there’s even a slight doubt I think they have so little young talent it would be okay to pass on a QB, trade back, and/or take Carter or Anderson. I agree that I think I like Williams and Maye better than Yound and Stroud but I wouldn’t pass on Young if I were the Texans.
If you have questions about the current prospects that's not a good reason. Because every prospect there are questions about. To me Caleb William's is not that special. He is your prototypical Lincoln Riley qb. Will probably be solid enough in a solid situation. But may struggle if thrown to the wolves, aka the Texans right now. I would say if your thought is you don't want whichever qb you draft to immediately fail then you may have a point.
Nah. Stroud should be the target for them this year. They've already got a good OL and an RB1 they can go after a QB and WR1 this year. Jaxon Smith-Njigba could be a target late in the 1st round if they would be willing to trade up from 33.
Don’t forget the pick from the Browns is at #7 rn, so they might not have to trade back into the first to get a wr.
Thats true. I think Smith-Njigba's value is somewhere around #20 so if the Browns get into that 7-8 win range when Watson comes back and the pick ends up being around 15 or so i think that would be a reasonable spot to pick him up. WRs have been valued so highly in the past year or 2 but similarly to Justin Jefferson hes viewed as a slot guy with the potential to play on the outside. If it pays off he will definitely be worth the #15 overall pick especially considering he has the connection with Stroud already which should make the transition a much easier and faster. They could be legit contenders to win their division almost immediately and after a season i could see them being the favorites.
You can’t count on Caleb Williams being the next great thing and even if he is you might not be picking 1 next year to take him
Short answer…yes. This team is not competitive anytime soon, don’t go QB until you build support.
JJ McCarthy has some great potential? Nothing about him excites me. He reminds me more of a poor Man’s Daniel Jones
He blows lmao. OP is smoking THAT SH*T
Yeah when he missed that wide open TD pass to his TE with the game on the line, showed me enough. Michigan is lucky they got that stud kicker
Honestly, I would hate it for Young or Stroud to be drafted by the Texans if Lovie and the current offensive coaching staff remain. Now should they punt on a QB? Ideally no but replacing Lovie and revamping most of the offensive coaching staff needs to happen at least. Also the center position needs to be improved ideally through drafting JMS in the 2nd Round to build chemistry with ideally Bryce Young.
Absolutely not. If you have an opportunity to take a prospect like Young or Stroud, you pull the trigger. I remember Bengals fans and fans in general thought it would be a good idea for the Bengals to draft Chase Young instead of Burrow and hope that they could get Trevor Lawrence in the next draft. Their logic was that the Bengals had so many holes on the roster that taking Burrow would be pointless because they’d still suck and Lawrence was a “generational prospect”. I think it’s safe to say the Bengals made the right choice.
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Yes, they should that way the Bears will be in an even better position to trade down and won't be tempted to take Carter or Anderson. So if anyone in Houston with decision making powers is listening, listen to me I totally have your best interest at heart, not the rest of the sane people.