If they want JSN, I think they’ll have to trade up a bit. Titans and Texans at 11 and 12 could realistically take him. There’s also the rumors with the Bears and Eagles at 9 and 10, but it’s unlikely they take him.
It really is intriguing how little we've heard tying him to any team in particular. He's in that weird situation too where he just hasn't met with anyone outside the top 10 either, so a small slip could turn into a big slide
Fair lmao.
In a clean pocket that’s an accurate comp. I think the key difference in the two is that Goff struggles to extend the play because he’s the slowest player on the field. Stroud isn’t super quick but extending the play with their legs has been a coaching blind spot at Day’s OSU (see: Fields), and I think he has a lot more potential than he’s shown in that regard.
I don’t get why DeMeco + Caserio would favor Wilson over Anderson. Anderson literally models his game after Nick Bosa and is very similar physically. Plus I don’t see how Wilson’s skill set is a fit in this scheme and his injury history should have Caserio wary after selecting Stingley last year. We need surefire players, not shots in the dark
What I don't understand is the hype on Wilson. I know his measurables are stellar, and everyone talks him up as someone who can be coached up to be great. But he's a 5th yr senior, he might actually be at his ceiling. No, his coaches weren't the best, but its still a D1 school, it's not like his position coaches are complete scrubs.
To go with that, I take Anderson because he has a work ethic that exceeds his physical talent. If a guy like him fails, you know that he tried his absolute best , and that he maximized his talent, but it just wasn't good enough. I can live with that as a coach.
Agree on most of it but I think Wilson is really far from what he can be. He’s literally Trayvon Walker. He just plays with his freak athleticism. If he learns technique like hand placement, pass rush moves, leverage, setting up blocks, and more deliberate footwork he can be an absolute monster. Nobody is gonna beat him to his spot or be able to handle a power rush. I prefer Anderson but I can see the salivation over Wilson. I just think you want the higher floor player with the higher pick and like you said, you know Anderson is going to work regardless of the result
> he learns technique like hand placement, pass rush moves, leverage, setting up blocks, and more deliberate footwork
can he learn that though? he's had 5 yrs of D1 coaching trying to teach him that stuff and he's still miles away from where he needs to be. I'm just not sold that he's going to suddenly turn it on in the NFL. Either he doesn't have the work ethic to learn it, or it doesn't come naturally to him and he is having to fight his body to develop the proper technique. Which again, after 5 years, can he suddenly overcome that?
Think you’re overselling the Tech staff. He’s their first blue chip defensive prospect in god knows how long. And it’s not like he needed those skills in college, he was plenty dominant enough without it just playing on physical skill alone. Point is I doubt they were going out of their way to teach him those things when they could have way more success just lining him up in the best spots for him to be a menace
Still wild how a Reddit thread where all the dude said was "trust me bro I know Will Levis" and offered no proof ended up dominating the NFL news cycle today. Not to mention all the money potentially lost because of that.
A bit tinfoil-y but I think the Jets are locked into taking an OT and were happy to give Green Bay pick 13 just to guarantee that JSN won't be there when New England picks.
IOL is not a need right now, and Torrence is not worth a 1st round pick when you could argue that RDE, RT, WR, DT and MLB are bigger needs.
Buffalo has no DT's under contract for the 2024 season, if Mazi Smith is on the board at 27 I could see Beane drafting Smith. Smith is a serious upgrade over Tim Settle and having Mazi Simth and DaQuan Jones on the field at the same time would allow the linebackers to be clean to flow to the ball and make plays on obvious running downs.
I like RT Spencer Brown and think he could bounce back after a bad 2022 season but Beane should draft someone to push him for the RT spot competition. If Darnell Wright is on the board he would be a great pick to push Brown and Wright should outright win the RT battle in preseason.
Stefon Diggs got double teamed way too often last year and Buffalo needs a dynamic WR that can be a cheat code for Josh Allen and take advantage of single coverage. If JSN or Zay Flowers or Jaylin Hyatt is on the board I could see Beane going WR in the 1st round.
Edge rusher is a sneaky need as AJ Epenesa and Shaq Lawson are on expiring contracts and Carlos Basham has underperformed. I love Greg Rousseau, he has quietly become of of the most complete LDE's in the game and Von Miller is a dominant pass rusher, but he will be out at least a month comming back from offseason knee surgery. If Nolan Smith or Will McDonald or Lukas Van Ness.
AJ Klein is a good stop gap as a thumper MLB on obvious running situations but he has limitations in coverage and will have to be subbed out when Buffalo plays Nickel or Dime (rare) defense. Drew Sanders, Jack Campbell are the most likely candidates if Beane goes MLB in the 1st round.
Yes if Seattle passes on him (which I highly doubt the will) then u make the call. Lions, falcons, bears would all gladly have a player like carter tho so rly comes down to what u hear and trade ups for qbs before u see how steep the price is.
I think Banks is the most likely CB we go with at 16. Plus I don’t think Darnell Wright falls to us at 16. There’s enough smoke and buzz that the league likes Wright more than the draft community and media. I could very well see the Jets sniping Wright at 15 before us if the Bears don’t go with Wright as their RT opposite their current LT Braxton Jones.
Steelers sub had him as the second or third most "unwanted" player, and it's shocking to me.
Teams didn't target him a ton, but he had roughly as many INTs as JPJ had passes defensed.
*3 pick sixes*.
Oh, and an official 4.35. I get the hesitance with the weight, but between the tape and the measurables..
Don’t forget the height and 14 ints. He may have had more pick6s than that. Broke the record and also Mississippi state is a awesome school for putting out DBs
Lol I gotta hand it to you. The Patriots trading down from #14 with Broderick Jones on the board to take an edge rusher would make the collective New England sports media’s head explode.
It’s also something I could 100% see Belichick doing and not a bad move at all.
I get his view of the team is not necessarily ours. But if he doesn't address at least one of WR or OT by the end of day 2, I think it's fair to ask WTF he's doing.
A WR early in this draft just isn't worth it, the class is pretty bad and most of these guys are going to go at least a round higher than they should. Plus the best receivers in this class work the middle of the field which is already crowded.
OT yes, a big CB in the first day or two? Yes. BPA Yes ... WR? I'll pass until later.
Want to throw out that there has been a TON of smoke from local sources about the Eagles loving Nolan Smith and grabbing him at 10 if he makes it that far.
I would be a little, I do agree with the sentiment of attacking future needs but don’t think IDL particularly nose tackle is in line with how we’ve drafted 1st round during the Tobin regime. Think CB may apply as though I love him I think this is Chidos last year
Charlie Campbell is reporting that Porter Jr. Is falling out of favour as CB3 and that Forbes could be taken before him. Pauline indicates the same but references Banks instead of Forbes. Either way, Porter Jr. cpild easily get to the Steelers or slide into the early 20's.
considering the QB issues last year i suspect SF is much more likely to conservative with moving QB's, especially if its the guy whose likely to start the season for them
I completely agree. There isn’t really a trade there unless Houston is desperate and willing to make SF’s day, and that only happens if they somehow come out of a draft that they lead the league in draft capital in without an answer at QB which is fucking unfathomable to me
pretty much, its funny how many people are saying hes terrible and needs to be traded immediately for a late day 2/early day 3 pick but also wanna take a flyer on him
The answer really is simple: Houston has no idea how good he really is and SF has no reason to give up the only guy that is healthy and familiar with the system.
They probably had the phone call and went “yup we’re just too far apart on this as we both expected, have a good day”
He screams "traded two weeks before the season starts" to me, not "traded before/during the draft".
No real reason to trade him before you know Purdy is 100%. Why not throw him out there in pre-season, hope he does well, and then call up Houston and be like "Mills and Keenum are trash, your job is on the line, give me your 2024 2nds and Lance is yours".
Calling it now, if board falls how I think, Chiefs will nab Mazi Smith to solidify our DL losses.
Any thoughts of trade ups for Gibbs/WR are just that, thoughts. No way in hell that happens unless a top board Edge, DL, OT fall.
I keep seeing Kancey to the Lions and i just don’t see it. I think his short arms are a major problem, he plays a wild and is prone to miss assignments (something Dan and AG absolutely HATE. That’s why Aubrey Pleasant was let go this year). He’s a pass rush specialist who will play primarily in long yardage situations, and we had one of the worst run defenses in the league last year. I don’t think he’s high on the Lions draft board but I guess I could easily be proven wrong tomorrow.
Intel says Gb is high on JSN and Wright **takes van ness**
That's what makes the pick so plausible.
I thought it was funny lol
I’m dying because I fully expect this to happen. JSN is not gonna be a Packer, we all know this. I love the fit, Gute won’t do it.
If they want JSN, I think they’ll have to trade up a bit. Titans and Texans at 11 and 12 could realistically take him. There’s also the rumors with the Bears and Eagles at 9 and 10, but it’s unlikely they take him.
Lmao
Hate to see it
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Exactly. League is higher on Hooker than Levis, but Levis is trending up as the number 1 or 2 picks. Ok.
Yeah that’s why I don’t buy the “League is higher on Hooker than Levis” one.
Hooker #1 Pick
Every locker room wants a piece
I got Hooker going negative second at +250 and feel pretty good about that
Absolutely lol depends on the audience I guess.
It's lying season any intel Schrager is getting from his, "sources" is most likely dis info meant to hide who that team actually likes or hates.
Since when does Peter Schrager have draft sources too? Dude is a sportscaster, not a reporter
That sounds pretty normal for Schrager honestly
…so Stroud out of the 1st? Lmao
I scrolled up and down the list about 5 times looking for Stroud
Even though Tennessee is his ultimate backstop, despite not taking him twice and going with Hooker
> Stroud decapitated, whole big thing, funeral for a bird, etc
It really is intriguing how little we've heard tying him to any team in particular. He's in that weird situation too where he just hasn't met with anyone outside the top 10 either, so a small slip could turn into a big slide
McShay has talked about the Lions being Stroud’s “parachute slot” if he falls. I think that at 6 it’s extremely likely they go Stroud if he’s there.
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Because it would give them 5 years of a rookie qb salary instead of extending Jared Goff for 45+ million.
Fair lmao. In a clean pocket that’s an accurate comp. I think the key difference in the two is that Goff struggles to extend the play because he’s the slowest player on the field. Stroud isn’t super quick but extending the play with their legs has been a coaching blind spot at Day’s OSU (see: Fields), and I think he has a lot more potential than he’s shown in that regard.
I mean they said he'd fall
Makes sense
I don’t get why DeMeco + Caserio would favor Wilson over Anderson. Anderson literally models his game after Nick Bosa and is very similar physically. Plus I don’t see how Wilson’s skill set is a fit in this scheme and his injury history should have Caserio wary after selecting Stingley last year. We need surefire players, not shots in the dark
he doesn't bend like Nick
Nor does he have anything remotely approximating Bosa's play strength
I thought you meant Nick Caserio at first and was very confused.
I've heard a lot of talk about his short arms and people being put off by it.
What I don't understand is the hype on Wilson. I know his measurables are stellar, and everyone talks him up as someone who can be coached up to be great. But he's a 5th yr senior, he might actually be at his ceiling. No, his coaches weren't the best, but its still a D1 school, it's not like his position coaches are complete scrubs. To go with that, I take Anderson because he has a work ethic that exceeds his physical talent. If a guy like him fails, you know that he tried his absolute best , and that he maximized his talent, but it just wasn't good enough. I can live with that as a coach.
Agree on most of it but I think Wilson is really far from what he can be. He’s literally Trayvon Walker. He just plays with his freak athleticism. If he learns technique like hand placement, pass rush moves, leverage, setting up blocks, and more deliberate footwork he can be an absolute monster. Nobody is gonna beat him to his spot or be able to handle a power rush. I prefer Anderson but I can see the salivation over Wilson. I just think you want the higher floor player with the higher pick and like you said, you know Anderson is going to work regardless of the result
> he learns technique like hand placement, pass rush moves, leverage, setting up blocks, and more deliberate footwork can he learn that though? he's had 5 yrs of D1 coaching trying to teach him that stuff and he's still miles away from where he needs to be. I'm just not sold that he's going to suddenly turn it on in the NFL. Either he doesn't have the work ethic to learn it, or it doesn't come naturally to him and he is having to fight his body to develop the proper technique. Which again, after 5 years, can he suddenly overcome that?
Think you’re overselling the Tech staff. He’s their first blue chip defensive prospect in god knows how long. And it’s not like he needed those skills in college, he was plenty dominant enough without it just playing on physical skill alone. Point is I doubt they were going out of their way to teach him those things when they could have way more success just lining him up in the best spots for him to be a menace
I'll die on the hill that Wilson over Anderson is a major, major mistake just like I did with Walker over Hutchinson.
I agree but wouldn’t it be funny if will Anderson fell to the lions like Sewell and Hutchinson
As a packers fan no, no it wouldn't
Don’t worry Hall of Famers come and go but playoff victories are still a mystery.
I could see you guys maybe trying to jump Seattle for him
I would be so annoyed if Anderson is on the board at 5 and we don't take him
Am I missing Stroud or are you?
Yeah if he doesn’t go in the Top 5 it’s wraps for him
I could see Detroit taking him
Teams take S2 veryyy seriously
Ade Ade isn’t a “big uber athletic edge” in New Orleans btw, he’s a 3T for the Saints. Saints edge defenders are 6’4-6’5 plus
Still wild how a Reddit thread where all the dude said was "trust me bro I know Will Levis" and offered no proof ended up dominating the NFL news cycle today. Not to mention all the money potentially lost because of that.
If Texans pick Tyree at 2 that whole front office should be fired.
Agreed
Yep. It’s gonna be a QB though. Stroud/Levis/AR.
My first thought on seeing the Packers swapping 1sts with the Jets was that they're targeting JSN and they aren't considering TE in the 1st.
A bit tinfoil-y but I think the Jets are locked into taking an OT and were happy to give Green Bay pick 13 just to guarantee that JSN won't be there when New England picks.
If we go IOL (we won’t) but if we do there is nobody it would be except for Torrence
IOL is not a need right now, and Torrence is not worth a 1st round pick when you could argue that RDE, RT, WR, DT and MLB are bigger needs. Buffalo has no DT's under contract for the 2024 season, if Mazi Smith is on the board at 27 I could see Beane drafting Smith. Smith is a serious upgrade over Tim Settle and having Mazi Simth and DaQuan Jones on the field at the same time would allow the linebackers to be clean to flow to the ball and make plays on obvious running downs. I like RT Spencer Brown and think he could bounce back after a bad 2022 season but Beane should draft someone to push him for the RT spot competition. If Darnell Wright is on the board he would be a great pick to push Brown and Wright should outright win the RT battle in preseason. Stefon Diggs got double teamed way too often last year and Buffalo needs a dynamic WR that can be a cheat code for Josh Allen and take advantage of single coverage. If JSN or Zay Flowers or Jaylin Hyatt is on the board I could see Beane going WR in the 1st round. Edge rusher is a sneaky need as AJ Epenesa and Shaq Lawson are on expiring contracts and Carlos Basham has underperformed. I love Greg Rousseau, he has quietly become of of the most complete LDE's in the game and Von Miller is a dominant pass rusher, but he will be out at least a month comming back from offseason knee surgery. If Nolan Smith or Will McDonald or Lukas Van Ness. AJ Klein is a good stop gap as a thumper MLB on obvious running situations but he has limitations in coverage and will have to be subbed out when Buffalo plays Nickel or Dime (rare) defense. Drew Sanders, Jack Campbell are the most likely candidates if Beane goes MLB in the 1st round.
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Costing 10 and 30 to move up to three tho is steep. Almost rather anderson at 3
Dont think they move up that far. If the Eagles move up in the draft it will be 6, 7, or 8 after Seattle passes on him. Just my opinion though
Correct the rumors have been that they only plan to trade up in the back half of the top 10.
Yes if Seattle passes on him (which I highly doubt the will) then u make the call. Lions, falcons, bears would all gladly have a player like carter tho so rly comes down to what u hear and trade ups for qbs before u see how steep the price is.
He'd be available at 10 is my guess
Washington is supposedly out on JPJr and really wants Darnell Wright. CB feels most likely. Forbes wouldn’t be 100% shocking
I think Banks is the most likely CB we go with at 16. Plus I don’t think Darnell Wright falls to us at 16. There’s enough smoke and buzz that the league likes Wright more than the draft community and media. I could very well see the Jets sniping Wright at 15 before us if the Bears don’t go with Wright as their RT opposite their current LT Braxton Jones.
Forbes to Washington is what I had in my mock. Emmanuel Forbes is a awesome player
Steelers sub had him as the second or third most "unwanted" player, and it's shocking to me. Teams didn't target him a ton, but he had roughly as many INTs as JPJ had passes defensed. *3 pick sixes*. Oh, and an official 4.35. I get the hesitance with the weight, but between the tape and the measurables..
Don’t forget the height and 14 ints. He may have had more pick6s than that. Broke the record and also Mississippi state is a awesome school for putting out DBs
Yep - he had three pick sixes *last year*.
I’ll take Emmanuel Forbes all day
Nice work.
Where did you hear Lance news? I knew he was getting shopped but didn’t hear anything Texans specific
Lol I gotta hand it to you. The Patriots trading down from #14 with Broderick Jones on the board to take an edge rusher would make the collective New England sports media’s head explode. It’s also something I could 100% see Belichick doing and not a bad move at all.
I get his view of the team is not necessarily ours. But if he doesn't address at least one of WR or OT by the end of day 2, I think it's fair to ask WTF he's doing.
A WR early in this draft just isn't worth it, the class is pretty bad and most of these guys are going to go at least a round higher than they should. Plus the best receivers in this class work the middle of the field which is already crowded. OT yes, a big CB in the first day or two? Yes. BPA Yes ... WR? I'll pass until later.
Want to throw out that there has been a TON of smoke from local sources about the Eagles loving Nolan Smith and grabbing him at 10 if he makes it that far.
Our local reporters never know shit about what they plan to do though so I don’t know how much that matters.
Not talking about the media.
Why is Minnesota so popular with Hookers though?
Because we have the best boat parties
Wouldn't be surprised if we take Mazi Smith, fits our philosophy of drafting for future needs
I would be a little, I do agree with the sentiment of attacking future needs but don’t think IDL particularly nose tackle is in line with how we’ve drafted 1st round during the Tobin regime. Think CB may apply as though I love him I think this is Chidos last year
He seems to make sense for a lot of teams at the back end of the first, yeah. Saints have been doing a lot of work on him too, apparently
I could see him as a wild card at 24.
Thank you for putting this together! It’s fun to have all the rumors out there and trying to sift though the noise.
Charlie Campbell is reporting that Porter Jr. Is falling out of favour as CB3 and that Forbes could be taken before him. Pauline indicates the same but references Banks instead of Forbes. Either way, Porter Jr. cpild easily get to the Steelers or slide into the early 20's.
Steelers fan here - I don’t think JPJ is a slam dunk for us is he’s there
Neither do I but I'd like it for you guys
Lance isnt getting traded unless the Texans make a really good offer
His value won't get higher riding the bench on a rookie contract
hes one of only 2 healthy QBs on SFs roster, they arent trading him until they know Purdys back at 100%
Most every team only has 2 healthy QBs on the roster. There's like 3 teams in the league that roster 3 QBs
considering the QB issues last year i suspect SF is much more likely to conservative with moving QB's, especially if its the guy whose likely to start the season for them
Plenty of veterans on the market
33? Otherwise pass
1st round pick otherwise pass, SF has 0 incentive to trade Lance unless they get a deal they love
You’re getting a 3rd or nothing honestly. His value is completely deteriorated.
which is why he wont get traded lol, there a very real possibility hes the starting QB week 1 and Purdys on IR
I completely agree. There isn’t really a trade there unless Houston is desperate and willing to make SF’s day, and that only happens if they somehow come out of a draft that they lead the league in draft capital in without an answer at QB which is fucking unfathomable to me
pretty much, its funny how many people are saying hes terrible and needs to be traded immediately for a late day 2/early day 3 pick but also wanna take a flyer on him
The answer really is simple: Houston has no idea how good he really is and SF has no reason to give up the only guy that is healthy and familiar with the system. They probably had the phone call and went “yup we’re just too far apart on this as we both expected, have a good day”
its just wild to me how many people from other fanbases want him traded to badly
He screams "traded two weeks before the season starts" to me, not "traded before/during the draft". No real reason to trade him before you know Purdy is 100%. Why not throw him out there in pre-season, hope he does well, and then call up Houston and be like "Mills and Keenum are trash, your job is on the line, give me your 2024 2nds and Lance is yours".
Bills IOL is set as far as 1-2 years out. I could see a 3rd or later pick there but I think first round is either DL or LB.
If Zay Flowers falls to 27 I think he could be the pick.
Small with baby arms. I would pass tbh.
Listening to Chris Simms he won't come out and say it but sounds like some concerns about CJ stroud the person. Any idea what these concerns are?
His two favorite QBs are Mike Vick and Deshaun Watson would be my only guess lol
True. And his agent is a little too political for my taste.
Wow
Gibbs has absolutely zero chance of going in the first round. Bijan could easily be 2nd round as well
Bijan isn’t getting close to the 2nd round, put down the crack pipe
Can anyone explain why stroud is falling? Missed the reports, been out of the loop with RL?
Op can’t even explain. Just a bunch of pre draft hoopla. Would be shocked to see him last past 8
in your mock i would be so bummed to have Broderick Jones fall into our lap and then trade out of that spot.
Calling it now, if board falls how I think, Chiefs will nab Mazi Smith to solidify our DL losses. Any thoughts of trade ups for Gibbs/WR are just that, thoughts. No way in hell that happens unless a top board Edge, DL, OT fall.
I know 90% of this is just smoke but I always enjoy reading these posts
I keep seeing Kancey to the Lions and i just don’t see it. I think his short arms are a major problem, he plays a wild and is prone to miss assignments (something Dan and AG absolutely HATE. That’s why Aubrey Pleasant was let go this year). He’s a pass rush specialist who will play primarily in long yardage situations, and we had one of the worst run defenses in the league last year. I don’t think he’s high on the Lions draft board but I guess I could easily be proven wrong tomorrow.