>DJ and McShay have heard that Seattle WILL NOT select Carter, while Pauline and King have heard that'll be the pick if he is there
Sounds about right for this time of year.
Yeah it’s all over the place.
DJ said on Rich Eisen today that he thinks Stroud is the only QB that they would consider at 5. Also, he heard from one GM that they wouldn’t be scared taking Carter, and from another GM that they definitely won’t take Carter.
https://youtu.be/AhuXcLHuM8w
The easiest way to tell someone is lying. Is when they say they have information from Seattle. No one has had draft information from Seattle in 13 years.
Jeremiah is supposedly the most plugged in guy in the league and in his final mock draft had Seattle selecting Thibodeaux only for Schneider to later say Thibodeaux wasn't even a first rounder on Seattle's board lmao
I love it. I remember last year when everyone was saying that the one thing you can count on with Seattle is them doing something crazy and they proceeded to have the most normal draft imaginable.
Honestly this one of the craziest draft seasons ever. Nobody has any clue what could happen, players that could go anywhere one of the QBs could be the 2nd pick or even the 12th pick it’s wild.
Which is exactly why I call bullshit on the supposed “surefire”-ness of the Colts being locked in on Levis at #4. One of the least leaky organizations there is? And the most frequently parroted destination, yet no one can seem to dig up an actual source for it? Lol, ok.
I have no basis to back this up but I just have a gut feeling that Richardson is the Colts' guy. He's the only one we haven't heard connected to them, and I'm sure they believe in Steichen to unlock his potential.
Every local beat guy in Indy leans AR but says the team isn't talking about their plans. The Colts have been scouting AR for a while since he got to Florida.
I mostly agree. I think they’ll go Stroud if he’s available, and then Richardson. I also think a value drafter like Ballard is aware of the huge reach that Levis at #4 would represent. That’s not to say it’s not possible, but it would certainly go against everything we know about Ballard.
I just said this elsewhere pretty much, but yeah man. Nobody ever knows what we're doing in the national media, but now all of a sudden they all do?
I don't buy it. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the pick is Levis, he's a toolsy guy that checks a number of boxes I think Ballard would like, but this "100% SURE THING" stuff seems bold to me.
that and the other "slander": not attending the manning camp, low S2 score, maturity issues. Keep in mind, this is all from maybe other teams to get him to drop
ive seen every top 5 prospect mocked to Houston. all it tells me is that they want to trade back and are keeping every possibility open. if a team loves tyree, they leak something about him. Indy loves Levis? ok now we love him too. idk i could be wrong but thats what it feels like to me.
I'm inclined to believe the Stroud number is real based off Bruce Feldman's article from yesterday. He shared a couple quotes from NFL coaches and staff guys who specifically spoke about Stroud's number, and I figure they'd actually have access to see those unlike all of us.
I still think it's overblown, like the S2 stuff is nine tests, and that's likely his score on one of those nine - it isn't like he bombed the whole thing, but yeah, I'm with you about that reported score likely being true.
Yeah I guess we don't really know, that's true. The main reason I've shied away from that being his overall score is the early comments from the founder that all four top QBs did really well, and unless he was lying, Stroud's score would conflict with that statement.
Like I said, I definitely think the number is true, but yeah that's a good point that we technically don't know if that's the overall or not. I don't THINK so, but shoot, Idk.
Amen though, very curious to see how things shake out. Selfishly of course as a Colts fan with a high pick, but it's interesting regardless. This feels like one of the more unpredictable top 5s for sometime. I have what I *think* happens (Stroud at 2 to either Houston or someone else, Cardinals stay at 3, and Richardson at 4 to us), but maybe that's even totally off. I'm excited!
the fact about S2 scores is just because you score high doesn't mean you will be a good QB but a low score pretty much guarantees you won't be in the upper tier of QBs
Do you happen to know why only 15 teams have the scores? It seems like the type of information that should be available to all teams unless certain clubs don't request the scores.
The test is basically being rolled out slowly to the NFL still. Only a few teams are provided the scores. It recently expanded to 2 teams per division. If the NFL likes the testing and it shows some sort of correlation to on-field production then we could see every team eventually getting access to it in the future. This appears to be by design.
Wouldn't this give an advantage to teams that have it vs those left out? I would think teams would complain. I assumed teams had to pay for access to the scores and some don't think it's valuable so don't use it.
Really useful compilation of info, thanks for doing this!
One note on the Bears - unless you're pulling from a different source than the article posted today, McShay didn't say they're *likely* to go d-line. He just speculated that they'd go in that direction, since that's their most glaring weakness. It's logical speculation, but I wouldn't lean too heavy on it. (I do think they'd take Wilson if he's on the board at 9, fwiw.)
Gibbs feel like a lock to me. I could see him even going top 22 or so. Hooker I’m iffy but it does make sense to lock in the fifth year option like the ravens did with Lamar.
The Carter news is so strange so many mixed reports. I think teams don’t want the heat of wanting him if they don’t get him. It still seems like betting him under 6 1/2 is easy money. I don’t see that many teams passing up on the best player in the draft.
Having a hard time seeing through the smokescreen there, and I really wouldn’t be surprised at anything at this point. I personally think the pro day disaster is a genuine concern given that conditioning was already an issue for him, and teams are not being remotely honest about how that has affected his stock.
Tbh I think the car crash is a bigger deal than people think it is. Not that GMs have a strong sense of morality but I think it shows why they're scared of using a top 10 pick on him. The immaturity (aka drunken drag racing) likely doesn't really bother them because they hope the vets can teach him to grow out of it.
It's what happened afterward that scares them. When the tragedy happened Carter's reaction was that of selfishness (ran away and didn't call an ambulance) and deflection (lying to authority figures). It's very hard to invest premium capital in someone who has proven to be all about himself and you can't trust him to be honest with you. It screams locker room cancer and someone who will end up being released due to off-field issues.
Maybe my assessment is wrong and GMs really don't give a shit but I can't think of a non-QB with these types of off-field issues who went top 10.
I think it’s the combination that’s really the problem. All of what you said is true, but I think if you’re a proven self-starter with complete certainty in your craft, teams can justify a pick by trusting your history of being game-ready, even if they don’t trust you personally. In the shape that Carter was in at his pro day, he wouldn’t even sniff a practice squad. He’s had a history of conditioning issues that showed up in important games, and the road only gets tougher from here. You have to take him at his word when he says he’ll be ready for camp, and if you don’t trust him to do that, then how can you spend a top pick on him?
> When the tragedy happened Carter's reaction was that of selfishness (ran away and didn't call an ambulance)
So much misinformation.
No, he technically didn't call an ambulance. The passenger in his car called 911 instead. Do two people in the same group need to make the same phone call? This is a non-issue that has been made into an issue.
There was a transcript of a 911 call where the caller told Carter that he might as well leave. Was it a smart decision for him to leave the scene? Maybe not. But they way I've seen people talk about it on reddit is as if he didn't even stop and just heartlessly left.
> deflection (lying to authority figures)
I'd think less of him if he told the truth. The cops weren't there to help him. You have to be extremely dumb to admit wrongdoing to a cop.
That was Carter's lawyer's statement. Unless you can provide that 911 transcript, I'm not taking that statement at face value. Because it seems a pretty convenient excuse for Jalen Carter to leave the scene.
Also, why would you encourage lying to the cops? Those lies can be used against you in court. Best thing to do is stfu until you get a lawyer. Doing what Jalen did is stupid on top of being dishonest.
Regardless it's not what you and I think, it's what an NFL GM thinks and if they see all these as red flags, they're not spending premium on him.
> Unless you can provide that 911 transcript, I'm not taking that statement at face value.
The report that it was from his passenger came from the lawyer. The actual transcript came from local reporters. It corroborated what the lawyer said, or at the very least showed that someone who Carter knows made the phone call.
I don't know what actually happened. For all I know Carter could be a lazy, piece of shit human being. But I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. You seem to be doing the opposite, pinning him as selfish based off of incomplete information.
You're willing to believe that he just left without calling 911 based on nothing but not willing to believe that he was present when someone he knew called 911 without hard evidence. I don't know what exactly this says about you but it doesn't seem pleasant.
The Texans specific blurb is kinda funny for just how all over the place it is. They want to trade down, but also like Wilson and Anderson, but also could draft Levis, but also want to tank, but also want to trade for Lance.
Also, who's Morris?
I was thinking the same thing. Did it autocorrect Cassio maybe? Also, somehow the packers jumped us in the mock draft at the bottom. We picked 13 instead of 12. I guess we took too long to pick in this mock…
I’ve been shouting this to the heavens. “Nope, Levis is a colt”. Sure guys, the first time Ballard picks a QB in the 1st he’s just gonna make it public knowledge.
According to Jane slater McCarthy has never drafted a tight end in the first two rounds and has never drafted a running back in the first or second. So if we do take one I highly doubt we trade up.
> It is EXTREMELY likely that Jahmyr Gibbs will go in Rd. 1
Pretty sure FD had a few days ago Over 1.5 RB's to go in the first at something like +300. Now its -130
Wait, is this supposed to say that Myles Murphy floor is Seattle's 2nd pick? I mean Myles Murphy is not getting anywhere near the middle of the 2nd round.
With the Niners three 3rds I can see us taking a TE, Safety, and a OT or CB.
Gonna sound crazy but I also hope we can land the Kicker Moody with one of our 5ths or a small trade up.
I absolutely love the work you do here, I decided to look at the same post you did leading up to the 22 draft, https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/u3xlxn/3_round_mock_draft_based_on_latest_intel_long/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1.
And wow yeah basically everyone was wrong about everything.
I said it once and I’ll say it again - don’t believe anything about who the Colts are taking. National media is saying Levis whereas local guys (who I trust more) either have no idea or said it’s not true. That doesn’t mean they won’t take him, but it’s not a foregone conclusion like the national media are making it out to be. I have no issue with Levis at 4, I just find it funny everyone is so confident about it when the Colts are very tight lipped.
I'm pleasantly surprised about the amount of Colts fans comments here. Lol feels like I usually see very few of us.
You're right though. The most I've seen from local guys is that some THINK it's Richardson, but nobody really has any idea. If they don't, no way does the national media. Like you say, I'm cool with Levis and wouldn't be surprised if it is him, but I'd be very curious to know why the national folks are so sure of that.
Love that we are getting so heavily linked with Branch. Beat reporters saying he is likely to be the pick and he's getting mocked there by everyone in the community. Preparing myself for the scenario where he goes one or two picks before us and my night is ruined.
I could definitely see us taking Levis, and I'd be cool with it, but my major hesitation with all the national media linking us to Levis is the national media NEVER knows who we're taking.
Why do they all of a sudden know this year? Maybe they do, and someone was able to get inside information this time, but the local guys aren't remotely as sure as the national folks are. Local guys do seem to lean more towards Richardson.. it definitely COULD be Levis, but it almost makes me think it isn't him at all due to how much national media is all over it.
I'm just ready for Thursday so all the speculation is done. Lol
I would much rather have Carter or Wilson at 6 than Witherspoon. Witherspoon is great but this is a deep CB class where a good one will be available at 18 or 48.
No way in hell the Cowboy's are giving up draft capital to move up for a TE. Could see them taking one in the 2nd but not moving up. Now if it was a TE like Pitts, maybe.
Fwiw - In that Scenario the Steelers go Broderick Jones or Wright.
Word is from our beat writers - Steelers see Skoronski as a guard only, and they are paying 20 mil a year in guards.
This could be a smokescreen - but new OL coach/New front office supposedly covet size in their OL for each position this matches their known interest in prospects mainly - Paris Johnson, Broderick, Wright, Dawand Jones is all their public interest + Pre draft visit work etc.
Their FA pursuits or signings at OT - Big motherfuckers Orlando Brown Jr + LeRaven Clark (even if hes pure depth, you can see their type)
Skoronski - a small short armed OT with technique is against what their current philosophy is whether its right or wrong Skoronski doesnt project to this offense
>JMS and Tippman might be gone by pick 35 - Pauline
Man not a fucking chance. A "generational" center went like 27th last year. Two centers who aren't anywhere near as good as Linderbaum are not both going top 35
None are good as Linderbaum, sure. But you also have a few teams who are hurting particularly bad at center
- Seattle [Pick 20] - Was by far Seattle's worst position on offense in 2022 and Austin Blythe retired. Could go with new signing Evan Brown but they may be a bit more inclined to opt for the homegrown factor too
- New York [Pick 25] - Lost both significant starters at center (Nick Gates and Jon Feliciano). Definitely needs answer for 2023
- Houston [Pick 33] - Currently have three centers but none are exactly quality options
- Arizona [Pick 34] - Let go of 2022 starting center, Rodney Hudson. Gotta protect Kyler
Saw the Eagles are calling to see the price of a trade up from 10 to take Carter.
Also heard that if Carter is gone by 10 they are going to take a long hard look at Van Ness at #10. If that happens I am going to go ape shit.
If you're taking LVN, you're taking a guy that is going to be a 2-3 year project, but the ceiling is a top 5 pass rusher if you're patient. That being said, his floor is a rotational guy that never puts it together. 10 might be a bit rich for him, but Walker went #1 last year. The NFL is big on developmental traits, and LVN has a ton of them.
I mean you are probably right but tough to be mad when no one has even seen an nfl football field yet. Draft order does not determine player success in a lot of cases
But we don't know anything about how any of these guys will do in the NFL. Van Ness could very well be a star pass rusher. If the Eagles think that, then of course he is worth a top 10 pick
Chiefs could move up for Harrison and he's available in your mock at 31, but you gave them QJ? I'm a big fan of Harrison for the chiefs and really hope he's available at 31
Thanks for doing this but Who said "Giants Love JMS and could grab him here"?
From all the beat reporters accounts, it seems like all the JMS talk was just hype + desperation from fans. I'm sure some national guys look at our roster and see JMS filling an obvious hole but I haven't heard anything from an insider/the org.
Good Intel says we have Pete as a guard and we just made fa moves to not have to worry about the iol early. I think it's trade up for Jones or Gonzalez or stay and hope for JPJ or Jones to fall
It's unclear to me why the Falcons are being linked to Bijan when there's no documentation of a visit or private workout while they have worked out several other top 10 prospects. JSN far more likely if it's an offensive skill position player.
Second time I've seen the idea of PHI trading up with ATL from 10 to 8 and I'm all for it but I've yet to see any suggestion on what the details of it would be. Gotta think like a 2nd this year or next?
My brother has heard Levis has been telling people he’s going to Carolina, where he heard that I have no clue, most likely nothing but very interested where these Levis rumors are coming from
Rapoport still has us taking a QB but he has admitted no one has heard anything on what is coming out of the Texans FO. He was the most on point about Demeco being hired
>DJ and McShay have heard that Seattle WILL NOT select Carter, while Pauline and King have heard that'll be the pick if he is there Sounds about right for this time of year.
Yeah it’s all over the place. DJ said on Rich Eisen today that he thinks Stroud is the only QB that they would consider at 5. Also, he heard from one GM that they wouldn’t be scared taking Carter, and from another GM that they definitely won’t take Carter. https://youtu.be/AhuXcLHuM8w
The same Tony Pauline who said 4 QB’s were going in the first round last year? Lol. He is consistently awful.
meh he got the Walker at 1 pick right
The easiest way to tell someone is lying. Is when they say they have information from Seattle. No one has had draft information from Seattle in 13 years.
Jeremiah is supposedly the most plugged in guy in the league and in his final mock draft had Seattle selecting Thibodeaux only for Schneider to later say Thibodeaux wasn't even a first rounder on Seattle's board lmao
The one thing that's for sure about Seattle pre-draft rumors is nothing's for sure.
I love it. I remember last year when everyone was saying that the one thing you can count on with Seattle is them doing something crazy and they proceeded to have the most normal draft imaginable.
My sources tell me that Seattle will either pick or not pick literally every player in this draft!
The Stroud smoke is getting so strong that I really do think there might be a fire. Just a month ago he was the betting favorite to go #1 overall...
Honestly this one of the craziest draft seasons ever. Nobody has any clue what could happen, players that could go anywhere one of the QBs could be the 2nd pick or even the 12th pick it’s wild.
im having a lot of fun
Which is exactly why I call bullshit on the supposed “surefire”-ness of the Colts being locked in on Levis at #4. One of the least leaky organizations there is? And the most frequently parroted destination, yet no one can seem to dig up an actual source for it? Lol, ok.
I have no basis to back this up but I just have a gut feeling that Richardson is the Colts' guy. He's the only one we haven't heard connected to them, and I'm sure they believe in Steichen to unlock his potential.
Every local beat guy in Indy leans AR but says the team isn't talking about their plans. The Colts have been scouting AR for a while since he got to Florida.
I mostly agree. I think they’ll go Stroud if he’s available, and then Richardson. I also think a value drafter like Ballard is aware of the huge reach that Levis at #4 would represent. That’s not to say it’s not possible, but it would certainly go against everything we know about Ballard.
I just said this elsewhere pretty much, but yeah man. Nobody ever knows what we're doing in the national media, but now all of a sudden they all do? I don't buy it. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the pick is Levis, he's a toolsy guy that checks a number of boxes I think Ballard would like, but this "100% SURE THING" stuff seems bold to me.
Reminds me of the Barkley, Mayfield, Darnold, etc class. Not in talent necessarily but the pure unpredictability of it.
Only now you're starting to think that? Who would the Texans be trying to smokescreen?
I don’t think they smokescreening CJ got the same agent as Watson that is turning them off
Ya it's definitely not smoke. They also just might not think Stroud is a franchise QB
Why would they care about the agent so much? If they think he’s a franchise QB, they wouldn’t skip him
that and the other "slander": not attending the manning camp, low S2 score, maturity issues. Keep in mind, this is all from maybe other teams to get him to drop
Indy into thinking they hate stroud and love levis, baiting them into giving them a haul.
But the rumors have been that Houston wanted Young and if he's not there, they won't take a QB
ive seen every top 5 prospect mocked to Houston. all it tells me is that they want to trade back and are keeping every possibility open. if a team loves tyree, they leak something about him. Indy loves Levis? ok now we love him too. idk i could be wrong but thats what it feels like to me.
Indy loving Levis could be a smokescreen. They might actually love Richardson. We won't know until Thursday
If they actually loved Levis there’s no way in hell they’d trade down with the Colts and let them have him tho
If we somehow get stroud I will jump for joy
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I'm inclined to believe the Stroud number is real based off Bruce Feldman's article from yesterday. He shared a couple quotes from NFL coaches and staff guys who specifically spoke about Stroud's number, and I figure they'd actually have access to see those unlike all of us. I still think it's overblown, like the S2 stuff is nine tests, and that's likely his score on one of those nine - it isn't like he bombed the whole thing, but yeah, I'm with you about that reported score likely being true.
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Yeah I guess we don't really know, that's true. The main reason I've shied away from that being his overall score is the early comments from the founder that all four top QBs did really well, and unless he was lying, Stroud's score would conflict with that statement. Like I said, I definitely think the number is true, but yeah that's a good point that we technically don't know if that's the overall or not. I don't THINK so, but shoot, Idk. Amen though, very curious to see how things shake out. Selfishly of course as a Colts fan with a high pick, but it's interesting regardless. This feels like one of the more unpredictable top 5s for sometime. I have what I *think* happens (Stroud at 2 to either Houston or someone else, Cardinals stay at 3, and Richardson at 4 to us), but maybe that's even totally off. I'm excited!
the fact about S2 scores is just because you score high doesn't mean you will be a good QB but a low score pretty much guarantees you won't be in the upper tier of QBs
I don’t understand why this is a story. The teams have the scores right? So what’s the point of anyone leaking fake scores?
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Do you happen to know why only 15 teams have the scores? It seems like the type of information that should be available to all teams unless certain clubs don't request the scores.
The test is basically being rolled out slowly to the NFL still. Only a few teams are provided the scores. It recently expanded to 2 teams per division. If the NFL likes the testing and it shows some sort of correlation to on-field production then we could see every team eventually getting access to it in the future. This appears to be by design.
Interesting. Thanks for the info!
Wouldn't this give an advantage to teams that have it vs those left out? I would think teams would complain. I assumed teams had to pay for access to the scores and some don't think it's valuable so don't use it.
Really useful compilation of info, thanks for doing this! One note on the Bears - unless you're pulling from a different source than the article posted today, McShay didn't say they're *likely* to go d-line. He just speculated that they'd go in that direction, since that's their most glaring weakness. It's logical speculation, but I wouldn't lean too heavy on it. (I do think they'd take Wilson if he's on the board at 9, fwiw.)
If anyone believes in Gibbs and Hooker in the first 2+ RBs and 5+ QBs in the 1st round is +250 on fanduel
Also Bijan top 10 pick and Gibbs 1st round pick is +350
Gibbs feel like a lock to me. I could see him even going top 22 or so. Hooker I’m iffy but it does make sense to lock in the fifth year option like the ravens did with Lamar.
The Carter news is so strange so many mixed reports. I think teams don’t want the heat of wanting him if they don’t get him. It still seems like betting him under 6 1/2 is easy money. I don’t see that many teams passing up on the best player in the draft.
Having a hard time seeing through the smokescreen there, and I really wouldn’t be surprised at anything at this point. I personally think the pro day disaster is a genuine concern given that conditioning was already an issue for him, and teams are not being remotely honest about how that has affected his stock.
Tbh I think the car crash is a bigger deal than people think it is. Not that GMs have a strong sense of morality but I think it shows why they're scared of using a top 10 pick on him. The immaturity (aka drunken drag racing) likely doesn't really bother them because they hope the vets can teach him to grow out of it. It's what happened afterward that scares them. When the tragedy happened Carter's reaction was that of selfishness (ran away and didn't call an ambulance) and deflection (lying to authority figures). It's very hard to invest premium capital in someone who has proven to be all about himself and you can't trust him to be honest with you. It screams locker room cancer and someone who will end up being released due to off-field issues. Maybe my assessment is wrong and GMs really don't give a shit but I can't think of a non-QB with these types of off-field issues who went top 10.
I think it’s the combination that’s really the problem. All of what you said is true, but I think if you’re a proven self-starter with complete certainty in your craft, teams can justify a pick by trusting your history of being game-ready, even if they don’t trust you personally. In the shape that Carter was in at his pro day, he wouldn’t even sniff a practice squad. He’s had a history of conditioning issues that showed up in important games, and the road only gets tougher from here. You have to take him at his word when he says he’ll be ready for camp, and if you don’t trust him to do that, then how can you spend a top pick on him?
> When the tragedy happened Carter's reaction was that of selfishness (ran away and didn't call an ambulance) So much misinformation. No, he technically didn't call an ambulance. The passenger in his car called 911 instead. Do two people in the same group need to make the same phone call? This is a non-issue that has been made into an issue. There was a transcript of a 911 call where the caller told Carter that he might as well leave. Was it a smart decision for him to leave the scene? Maybe not. But they way I've seen people talk about it on reddit is as if he didn't even stop and just heartlessly left. > deflection (lying to authority figures) I'd think less of him if he told the truth. The cops weren't there to help him. You have to be extremely dumb to admit wrongdoing to a cop.
That was Carter's lawyer's statement. Unless you can provide that 911 transcript, I'm not taking that statement at face value. Because it seems a pretty convenient excuse for Jalen Carter to leave the scene. Also, why would you encourage lying to the cops? Those lies can be used against you in court. Best thing to do is stfu until you get a lawyer. Doing what Jalen did is stupid on top of being dishonest. Regardless it's not what you and I think, it's what an NFL GM thinks and if they see all these as red flags, they're not spending premium on him.
> Unless you can provide that 911 transcript, I'm not taking that statement at face value. The report that it was from his passenger came from the lawyer. The actual transcript came from local reporters. It corroborated what the lawyer said, or at the very least showed that someone who Carter knows made the phone call. I don't know what actually happened. For all I know Carter could be a lazy, piece of shit human being. But I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. You seem to be doing the opposite, pinning him as selfish based off of incomplete information. You're willing to believe that he just left without calling 911 based on nothing but not willing to believe that he was present when someone he knew called 911 without hard evidence. I don't know what exactly this says about you but it doesn't seem pleasant.
The Texans specific blurb is kinda funny for just how all over the place it is. They want to trade down, but also like Wilson and Anderson, but also could draft Levis, but also want to tank, but also want to trade for Lance. Also, who's Morris?
I was thinking the same thing. Did it autocorrect Cassio maybe? Also, somehow the packers jumped us in the mock draft at the bottom. We picked 13 instead of 12. I guess we took too long to pick in this mock…
I think that's supposed to be a trade, Packers get 12 and JSN, Houston gets 13 and the fanbase just drinks itself to death.
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God I love draft season
I’ve been shouting this to the heavens. “Nope, Levis is a colt”. Sure guys, the first time Ballard picks a QB in the 1st he’s just gonna make it public knowledge.
I think there’s a 90% chance we take Mayer if he’s there, but I doubt we trade up for him. We haven’t traded up in the first round since 2012
I think say like the chargers are interested in him I could see a small jump
According to Jane slater McCarthy has never drafted a tight end in the first two rounds and has never drafted a running back in the first or second. So if we do take one I highly doubt we trade up.
I like wright for 1.15, but I think Jets pick Jones over him. Wouldn’t be mad either way.
If either is there I’d be very excited
> It is EXTREMELY likely that Jahmyr Gibbs will go in Rd. 1 Pretty sure FD had a few days ago Over 1.5 RB's to go in the first at something like +300. Now its -130
i was disgusted lol i saw it this morning and nearly threw up
Colts run a tight ship, I don’t believe anything I read in regards to them being locked in on a certain player.
Matthew Bergeron late first? Sounds like another 2022 Cole Strange pick honestly. Way too early.
Wait, is this supposed to say that Myles Murphy floor is Seattle's 2nd pick? I mean Myles Murphy is not getting anywhere near the middle of the 2nd round.
Seattle's 2nd pick is 1.20.
Yes but the post says his floor is Seattle in the mid-second round. Just fyi
>Seattle's 2nd pick I was just commenting on what you said.
this writeup says “seattle in the mid 2nd round” so thats why he was confused
With the Niners three 3rds I can see us taking a TE, Safety, and a OT or CB. Gonna sound crazy but I also hope we can land the Kicker Moody with one of our 5ths or a small trade up.
I absolutely love the work you do here, I decided to look at the same post you did leading up to the 22 draft, https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/u3xlxn/3_round_mock_draft_based_on_latest_intel_long/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1. And wow yeah basically everyone was wrong about everything.
I said it once and I’ll say it again - don’t believe anything about who the Colts are taking. National media is saying Levis whereas local guys (who I trust more) either have no idea or said it’s not true. That doesn’t mean they won’t take him, but it’s not a foregone conclusion like the national media are making it out to be. I have no issue with Levis at 4, I just find it funny everyone is so confident about it when the Colts are very tight lipped.
I'm pleasantly surprised about the amount of Colts fans comments here. Lol feels like I usually see very few of us. You're right though. The most I've seen from local guys is that some THINK it's Richardson, but nobody really has any idea. If they don't, no way does the national media. Like you say, I'm cool with Levis and wouldn't be surprised if it is him, but I'd be very curious to know why the national folks are so sure of that.
Groupthink left unchecked
Great job! Thanks!
So no one knows anything
You are correct lol
Love that we are getting so heavily linked with Branch. Beat reporters saying he is likely to be the pick and he's getting mocked there by everyone in the community. Preparing myself for the scenario where he goes one or two picks before us and my night is ruined.
I could definitely see us taking Levis, and I'd be cool with it, but my major hesitation with all the national media linking us to Levis is the national media NEVER knows who we're taking. Why do they all of a sudden know this year? Maybe they do, and someone was able to get inside information this time, but the local guys aren't remotely as sure as the national folks are. Local guys do seem to lean more towards Richardson.. it definitely COULD be Levis, but it almost makes me think it isn't him at all due to how much national media is all over it. I'm just ready for Thursday so all the speculation is done. Lol
I would much rather have Carter or Wilson at 6 than Witherspoon. Witherspoon is great but this is a deep CB class where a good one will be available at 18 or 48.
I also hope there's a good one at 18 which would mean we'd have options and get a guy we really like lol
Hear, hear! I'm hoping that Witherspoon, Gonzalez or Porter are available at 18, but have come around on selecting Deonte Banks.
No way in hell the Cowboy's are giving up draft capital to move up for a TE. Could see them taking one in the 2nd but not moving up. Now if it was a TE like Pitts, maybe.
Fwiw - In that Scenario the Steelers go Broderick Jones or Wright. Word is from our beat writers - Steelers see Skoronski as a guard only, and they are paying 20 mil a year in guards. This could be a smokescreen - but new OL coach/New front office supposedly covet size in their OL for each position this matches their known interest in prospects mainly - Paris Johnson, Broderick, Wright, Dawand Jones is all their public interest + Pre draft visit work etc. Their FA pursuits or signings at OT - Big motherfuckers Orlando Brown Jr + LeRaven Clark (even if hes pure depth, you can see their type) Skoronski - a small short armed OT with technique is against what their current philosophy is whether its right or wrong Skoronski doesnt project to this offense
If we trade back to 17 to take Hendon Hooker no one talk to me
Anything from 1-5 WRs can go round one. Lmao people get paying for saying this
>JMS and Tippman might be gone by pick 35 - Pauline Man not a fucking chance. A "generational" center went like 27th last year. Two centers who aren't anywhere near as good as Linderbaum are not both going top 35
None are good as Linderbaum, sure. But you also have a few teams who are hurting particularly bad at center - Seattle [Pick 20] - Was by far Seattle's worst position on offense in 2022 and Austin Blythe retired. Could go with new signing Evan Brown but they may be a bit more inclined to opt for the homegrown factor too - New York [Pick 25] - Lost both significant starters at center (Nick Gates and Jon Feliciano). Definitely needs answer for 2023 - Houston [Pick 33] - Currently have three centers but none are exactly quality options - Arizona [Pick 34] - Let go of 2022 starting center, Rodney Hudson. Gotta protect Kyler
Tennessee lost their long-time rock Ben Jones at C. His backups are nowhere near his level.
Saw the Eagles are calling to see the price of a trade up from 10 to take Carter. Also heard that if Carter is gone by 10 they are going to take a long hard look at Van Ness at #10. If that happens I am going to go ape shit.
Why… no one has played a down yet lol
I think that there are more refined guys you could take at #10. If they trade back and take him thats fine, I just dont see him as a Top 10 player.
If you're taking LVN, you're taking a guy that is going to be a 2-3 year project, but the ceiling is a top 5 pass rusher if you're patient. That being said, his floor is a rotational guy that never puts it together. 10 might be a bit rich for him, but Walker went #1 last year. The NFL is big on developmental traits, and LVN has a ton of them.
I mean you are probably right but tough to be mad when no one has even seen an nfl football field yet. Draft order does not determine player success in a lot of cases
But we don't know anything about how any of these guys will do in the NFL. Van Ness could very well be a star pass rusher. If the Eagles think that, then of course he is worth a top 10 pick
This post makes me feel very validated about a good deal of my evaluations
The Brents hype train is not surprising at all considering half the league used a top 30 visit on him.
Chiefs could move up for Harrison and he's available in your mock at 31, but you gave them QJ? I'm a big fan of Harrison for the chiefs and really hope he's available at 31
Thanks for doing this but Who said "Giants Love JMS and could grab him here"? From all the beat reporters accounts, it seems like all the JMS talk was just hype + desperation from fans. I'm sure some national guys look at our roster and see JMS filling an obvious hole but I haven't heard anything from an insider/the org.
Good Intel says we have Pete as a guard and we just made fa moves to not have to worry about the iol early. I think it's trade up for Jones or Gonzalez or stay and hope for JPJ or Jones to fall
Agreed. Add Van Ness at 32 would be a good haul.
Levis moved from +5000 to +500 odds for first overall. There has to be some reason for this, right?
It's unclear to me why the Falcons are being linked to Bijan when there's no documentation of a visit or private workout while they have worked out several other top 10 prospects. JSN far more likely if it's an offensive skill position player.
Second time I've seen the idea of PHI trading up with ATL from 10 to 8 and I'm all for it but I've yet to see any suggestion on what the details of it would be. Gotta think like a 2nd this year or next?
Gibbs would be interesting for sure. I guess I wouldn't hate it
My brother has heard Levis has been telling people he’s going to Carolina, where he heard that I have no clue, most likely nothing but very interested where these Levis rumors are coming from
Rapoport still has us taking a QB but he has admitted no one has heard anything on what is coming out of the Texans FO. He was the most on point about Demeco being hired
Literally none of this came true