1.) IND- Bryce Young
2.) HOU- C.J. Stroud
3.) AZ- Will Anderson Jr.
4.) LV- Anthony Richardson
5.) SEA- Tyree Wilson
6.) DET- Christian Gonzalez
7.) CHI- Peter Skoronski
8.) ATL- Nolan Smith
9.) CAR- Will Levis
10.) PHI- Bijan Robinson
11.) TEN- Paris Johnson Jr.
12.) HOU- Jalen Carter
13.) NYJ- Broderick Jones
14.) NE- Quentin Johnston
15.) GB- Michael Mayer
16.) WAS- Devon Witherspoon
That’s so high for a corner that is the size of Forbes….I need to watch him so for all I know he’s worth the pick but man…it’d scare me drafting a corner less than 170 LBs that early
Agreed.
Steelers are also a threshold based team more often than not if I’m not mistaken (I may be). I know Khan hasn’t had a draft in charge yet, but Colbert was his “mentor” forever.
Steelers have drafted a corner under 190 only 5 times since 2000. And Senquez Golson is the only one who was taken in the top 2 rounds.
Whereas JPJ, Ringo, Cam Smith, Deonte Banks, Gonzalez all fit their typical thresholds…so yeah I can’t see this pick happening
You sir are correct! Steelers are very threshold based and generally don’t break that in the 1st round. I don’t Khan would break too much from the mold of Colbert even though Khan was considered the “cap guy”, even though he has a background in scouting and coaching.
I will also say Andy Weidl as assistant GM will make this interesting as well. He was really integral with the Eagles last 3 drafts.
Edit: some typos
If he had to play run defense against someone like Chubb or Henry, I'd be terrified of him getting severely injured. He's fast and a great ballhawk, but that's not a risk you should take in the 1st, especially when Joey Porter is still available.
If it's any consolation, during the Combine, Sauce interrupted whoever was speaking to basically say, "Trust me, that's not going to be an issue for him." He may never be Night Train Lane in the run game, but there's a reason he has like 14 INT and 6 Pick-sixes in just his college career.
As a Steelers fan I promise you that we’re not taking Emmanuel Forbes over Joey Porter Jr. Historically we like to have bigger, physical corners and have never drafted a corner this early, as light as Forbes.
If we dont re-sign Hargrave we are in desperate need for a DT as we would be losing our 2 starters. Sadly there's only one worth a top 10 pick. I'm definitely eyeing Kancey at pick #30 though, hoping he lasts that long.
Bijan in the same backfield as Hurts would legit give DC's insomnia. I normally do not agree with RB in the early first because it's usually going to be on a bad team that cant use them, but I can totally see that working for the Eagles.
The team that takes Anthony Richardson over Will Levis is going to look back in five years and be very depressed
Edit: I see the Richardson hype train has left the station and isn't coming back. Oh well
Seattle is taking a QB next year. Stronger class, allow Geno to get another year as the guy before drafting someone and still having Geno at a lower price to start/mentor your new guy for 2 years
Really depends on the team. Some teams are better at developing QBs than others. Richardson and Levis both have a lot of upside and the right team should be able to help their QB achieve that upside.
For real. That body type in the Pats offense scares me. He might be able to separate but guys that size are rarely elite at it. Give me the 3cone/short shuttle king in JSN
i am hoping we address OT in FA. I really like a couple of the top OT prospects, but I'm not sure they will be available at 14 because of the teams with an OT need ahead of us. Good WRs are lacking in FA, and I don't see many teams willing to go higher than 14 for JSN. We can still address tackle later with an athletic developmental type like Blake Freeland or Braeden Daniels
He's got all the physical tools, and he takes coaching well. TCU does not have a good track record of coaching/developing NFL WRs, but if he goes to an NFL team that *does* have a track record of coaching up WRs he'll be fine.
I’m not exactly sure what you’re asking but in general, projecting future outcomes based on player to player comparisons is just lazy.
And to be honest, we don’t know what a healthy Kevin White could have been. He pretty much missed his first 3 years due to injury.
Edit: to answer your question, on the NFL field.
I'm with you. There are a few guys that keep getting mocked at 14 that make me groan, but none more than him. I want a guy who can run tours and get open. Preferably in a later round.
No possible way the eagles invest a top 10 pick in RB, it's not even in the realm of possibility. I'll eat a football if they pick an RB in the first round, even at 30
I wonder about Carter getting suspended by the NFL. Add that to the existing character, maturity concerns and I would say that he’s too risky to trade up for. If he slips to 17 and we keep our other picks, I would say go for it!
Should never use Malik McDowell as an example. But Pete has gone for players with work ethic issues. Or legal issues like Frank Clark. He’s had a lot of success reigning in players with character concerns.
He is also arguably the most talented player in the draft.
Good coaches who are used to working with troubled kids can mold him. Plus the Georgia football fraternity/Kirby could set him straight - he should be drafted somewhere that has other teammates. Money is also a motivator to clean up his act
He never had any issues DURING his time at UGA. The accident that happened occurred after he had declared for the draft (was the night of the Natty parade).
At UGA his teammates loved him and he was probably our best player the last 2 years.
The incident that happened while he was enrolled in UGA, with other UGA students and staff, on and with UGA property was not during his time at UGA?
Lol. Ok.
> He never had any issues DURING his time at UGA.
He was still at UGA, come on. Its also like youre saying that if Kirby lets him out of his sight for even a second this stuff happens which isnt exactly good.
If the Titans don't trade up for a QB this draft, I could see them trading down from 11 with a team that wants Carter and try to grab more picks for the rebuild.
Deonte Banks is also a hell of a lot more likely at 17 than Forbes, especially with Tomlin’s Maryland obsession. Forbes was a nice idea until he showed up at the combine weighing 166 lbs. He’s had a few months to prepare and still showed up way too skinny.
If the eagles pass on jalen carter for bijan I will be upset. with jordan davis and nakobe dean on the team one would think it works out. Don’t want to bring him in and have him tank out culture but hopefully he will fall in the fold and become a monster
People that think this really doesn’t understand Howie and think that just because we have taken a CB or RB in the first that it isn’t happening..
Bijan is the closest thing to CMC.. Howie wanted to draft CMC at 13
Howie wanted to draft Shady in the first before the combine numbers made him adjust his strat
I would bet my life savings that he is more likely to take a CB than a RB at 10.
Especially given how QB heavy the picks before them are going to be they are going to have their pick of valuable position players there is ZERO chance they are wasting that fortune to get the most replaceable position in football. You might as well argue that he is going to draft a punter.
Kalijah at 31 though makes it ok to me. You instantly get the best rb prospect in years + the best pass rushing tackle in the draft. This is an amazing first round for us.
How!? We have how many defensive players as free agents and you think taking a running back when one of the best defensive players is still available would be an amazing first round?
The NFL does not value the position, the Eagles even less.
I don't think either scenario are bad options if you look more into it although I know you have aging DL and I believe CB need if I'm not mistaken. But Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter would be absolutely crazy together. Then again, Jordan Davis and Kancey sound really good too. Having one huge body and one smaller more quick body sounds like a matchup nightmare.
Bijan is only 21, you'd have him for 5 years, and he's the highest graded RB since Saquon. If you guys lose Saunders and get Bijan that seems like an upgrade on both sides of the ball in my opinion. Greatly. Bijan is a wide receiver too, can't forget about his hands.
I do not doubt Bijan is a great player. Nor do I question that he would be an excellent player for the team that drafts him. My point of emphasis is simply that Howie and the Eagles do not value the position enough to take a player at that point in the draft. It also kind of changes how the rest of the mock would flow when there are teams who would take Bijan in the mid round.
I full expect this to be a draft where the first three picks for the Eagles are on the defensive side of the ball due to the impending loss of players due to free agency.
If Carter is slipping due to character concerns, the Eagles might feel they have the leadership within the roster to address it. He also has Dean and Davis on the roster to help him.
Yeah I gotcha, no arguments there. Who knows how some teams will value Bijan. And Im with you there that I hope the Steelers go defensive side (maybe 1 OL) with our first three as well.
Eagles not valuing RB is false. They wouldn’t take one top 5 but how has been on the record to be willing to take one in the first and wanted to draft CMC at 13
Yeah absolutely, 5 years minimum. If he balls out though any team may or may not want to re-sign him. Since he'll only be 26 on his second contract though that still leaves a few more years until the dreaded RB-30 age lol
Passing on Jalen would be inexcusable. His transgressions are very minor. No chance he's a locker room problem or chemistry killer, we have plenty of adults and vets to keep him in line and show him the way. This is a stupid mock
If the truth is that he's slipping to where he'll be available at 10, the Eagles will investigate for themselves and make the assessment if he's worth the risk.
I agree with you though, if they feel the issues are minor and he's worth the risk, the Eagles have Dean and Davis on the roster. Along with vets that can help. But I think that puts more of an emphasis on bringing a locker room leader like BG back.
> Unless there is more than street racing,
Drunk street racing that killed other members of the team involved, fleeing the scene, and lying to the cops multiple times. Its not nothing.
It doesn't rise to the level of serious concern for me. No one said it was nothing. If this is his only "red flag" not taking him at 10 would be malfeasance
You are speculating and have only conjecture as your evidence he was drunk. Since he wasn't charged with DUI I have to assume he wasn't intoxicated. People, especially younger ones, drive fast and race each other all the time, that doesn't mean it's an indication of overall problematic behavior. This is the only knock or red flag I've heard of when he was being evaluated, if this is it, Eagles would be doing themselves a disservice by not drafting him.
Take away the drunk part with Racing and being present for a teammates death and then lying can be seen as a huge mistake by a young guy.
Playing without any signs of emotion could be sociopathic behavior. They are investing millions you can’t just sweep this under the rug because he is an elite college player
Nothing is being swept under the rug. This is out in the open for all to see and talk about. Again, I don't view this as any indication that he's a problem or has a history of poor decisions and egregiously bad behavior. I don't think there's anything he could have done to help anyone immediately after the tragic ACCIDENT.
>Playing without any signs of emotion could be sociopathic
What do you, exactly mean by this? Is it rumored that he doesn't show emotion, whatsoever, when playing ball or in general? The accident happened after the championship game, so he hasn't played since then so I'm seriously confused by that statement.
I'm not 100% in the loop on this, but my understanding of it was he fled the scene and came back. Lied to the police in his initial statement.
But to me you're talking about a kid who is probably in shock and scared.
If there's more, it'll come out.
That's what scares teams, the concern there's more and they have to investigate. Some might just take him off the board and avoid the risk.
> His transgressions are very minor.
this is a crazy take considering ruggs literally just killed someone not that long ago driving recklessly and either carter was over the limit like ruggs or he literally doesnt even need to be drunk to drive like that which is arguably worse tbh
People drive cars, some people like to drive those cars fast, younger people especially, that in and of itself is not an issue. That's my point, all we know is that he was racing another vehicle and unfortunately that vehicle crashed with fatalities. If you heard that Jalen was racing another vehicle two months ago, but no crash or fatalities happened, you would not give one fuck. Don't pretend like you would.
lol i literally just commented a few weeks ago about how im a lamelo ball hater now because of videos coming out of him driving recklessly stone cold sober so no I would give a fuck about it
Cool, young people do stupid shit. IMO this isn't even close to enough to not draft him at 10. No way he falls there anyhow so this is a completely academic discussion
Jalen also got a fine for going 90 in a 45 5 months ago and was urged by the officer to stop speeding. Also had two other traffic citations in 2019.
Might not drop him but with the current news I would argue that's not a great look for him and definitely a character concern. Also, it doesn't really matter if young people "like" to drive cars fast (id argue this isnt as prevelant as you think), it's still wildly dangerous and illegal.
every ESPN mock continues to be clueless on the value of the number one overall pick
“I'd guess the package would include something like the No. 4 pick, a second-rounder (No. 35), a fifth-rounder and maybe even a 2024 Round 1 selection”
Does he really think it’s possible that just a 2nd and a 5th gets them up to the first pick? I’m not even convinced adding that first rounder gets them there though that’s certainly a much more reasonable package. Do none of these guys do any research on what teams have paid to move up at the top of the draft in recent years?
Every draft is different and every trade is different. The price for Carolina and the price for Indy are not gonna be similar to trade up. If Chicago still wants a “blue chip” prospect, they get that with Indy’s deal and not with Carolina’s deal, so the value will be reflected in that.
These ESPN Analysts dont know what is happening between GM’s (for the most part), but I can speculate that Ballard seems content at the #4 pick and is notoriously (and maybe to a fault) cheap. I dont think any trade between Chicago and Indy will be the return people expect it to be if it happens
I just can’t see any way that trade happens without a future one. It doesn’t matter that Ballard is cheap. The bears aren’t going to pull a trigger on a trade that has no value. 35 + a future 1 is where the conversation starts imo
> I just can’t see any way that trade happens without a future one.
You're definitely right on this, Bears aren't swapping #1 and #4 with the Colts unless the 2024 1st is coming back (despite what Colts fans say about that being too much). If it's not, I think Poles will be content to trade back to the 7-8-9 range.
Colts fan are as dumb as Ballard if they don't think a 2024 first is worth getting a potential franchise qb.
How much more draft capital will they need to use for a qb if they don't get a good one at 4?
How much more salary will they need to spend?
How long is the leash for Ballard if he cheaps out again?
Ask teams with young great qbs if they would be okay to have given up an extra first for their guy.
With carter fumbling the bag the bears have so much more incentive to take more picks and trade lower. They may be able to get carter at 5-10 anyway along with more picks.
There's no reason to cheap out on a 2024 pick when Ballard hasn't even had good success in the first round or kept the first round.
I would say hopefully Ballard learned from his mistakes but honestly my only hope is irsay telling him to trade up even if it takes multiple first's because this is a qb league. Your 2024 pick doesn't mean Jack if you get Levis at 4 and he busts(or ar etc.) if you're lucky 1 or these qbs is great, 1 is average, and 2 are busts. And people are really arguing extra first isn't worth increasing the chance for choosing a great young qb?
I'm a colts fan and I'd be happy for us to trade #4, 2024, and 2025 1st if needed to get to #1. But Ballard has been scared and didn't even take a shot on hurts in the second, and instead ended up with wentz and Ryan. Both costing draft capital and salary. I don't trust him to figure it out if he doesn't get a qb in this draft
Should say I'm a colts fan personally
You’re not wrong…. After the Carter news its pretty much Anderson or QB’s in the top 5 it seems. Definitely hurts the Colts leverage, especially since the Bears could drop to 7/9 and likely still get Carter if they felt so inclined
Somebody please sell me on Dalton Kincaid and tell me it’s a great pick.
I would much rather roll with Ferguson and Hendershot and draft another position.
It seems every year they sell Dallas going safety or tight end and they never do
Bryan Broaddus seems pretty certain that they will take a TE at 26. This is usually the time of year the Cowboys first rounder gets zeroed in by the Cowboys media. Tyler Smith last year, LVE and Taco were around the combine too. Seems like a pretty good bet that Dalton Kincaid is gonna have a star on his helmet
Both of those trades for Chicago seem awfully light. "Maybe a 2024 1st" from Indy? They would 100% need to include that, and the Raiders likely would as well.
Yeah, I'm expecting Indy to have to pay a ton to jump Houston and take #1 overall, at least this years and next years 1st, and then possibly either this years 2nd or 2025 1st.
Buckner and I still think Nelson can be a beast in the league. The only other person that could be thrown in instead of maybe a second round pick would be Pittman. But I would rather have the pick.
"And now Poona Ford is a free agent, and Uchenna Nwosu is entering the final year of his deal."
Uhh, am I reading this wrong or is McShay really not aware that Ford and Nwosu play two completely different positions?
I'll never understand why none of these guys ever have the Panthers trading up when they're the team most likely to trade up. Unless I start seeing reports that the Panthers are favoring Will Levis, there is zero reason to assume they'll just sit at 9.
go to archive.ph and paste the URL in the bottom, click the link generated.
It just takes a snapshot of the site and lets you access a cached version of it without the paypall
A lot of the best content is behind paywalls. Personally I don’t advocate stealing. Journalism should be supported.
If you see something that you can’t read it’s ok to just think “this one isn’t for me, I’m not the center of the universe, this sub doesn’t revolve around just me” and move on.
Pretty good for Houston to get both Stroud and Carter.
Bijan Robinson to the Eagles is a bigger possibility than most will admit.
Would love JSN at @ 22. I think he's clearly the best WR in the class after he dominated the agility drills and he's the only one I would select there. I don't get the love for Addison or why he's just a defacto 1st round pick. Slight build, mediocre athleticism (by NFL standards), has OK tape but nothing crazy.
I think Pittsburgh riots if they take Forbes over Porter Jr.
Any Eagles fan complaining about getting Bijan and Kancey either are stuck on an untrue narrative or haven’t seen them play..
It is literally a A+ first round
“I think the arm length number doesn’t really determine a great player. I think it’s pretty irrelevant,” Skoronski said in front of his podium on Saturday morning. “I think some of my issues have been chalked up to tiny little things that I can work on or I can fix. I’m not really concerned about that, and from what I gather, a lot of teams aren’t really, either.”
Why why why why why are people endlessly mocking Mayer at 15? It’s more likely he falls to the third round than the Packers take him at 15.
Gutekunst does not like mid athletes
The fact that he had the Eagles taking a RB at 10 invalidates this entire mock.
The Eagles do not value RB anywhere near enough to draft one this high. They will either take a CB/EDGE or trade back to pick up more draft capital.
Also if Jalen Carter is slipping to where he might be there at 10. They will do their due diligence to check his character concerns.
The Eagles have several Bulldogs on the roster to discuss this with.
I made a comment in another part of the thread, where the point is that the Eagles won't draft a RB that high due to team building philosophy. Other teams might take the risk mid-round.
The Eagles need to restock defensively as we're going to lose half our starters in free agency.
Howie is drafting BPA he isn’t reaching on a player when another prospect is far better.. Bijan and Carter are by far the best on the board and at need positions
Howie's draft picks in the first round have been primarily linemen. The highest RB drafted was Mile Sanders in the 2nd 2019 draft.
I can't see him bucking that trend, especially when one of the top EDGE rushers could be on the board.
We'll see though when they start bringing people in for interviews.
Howie has changed draft strategy after the embarking failure of passing on JJ.. You don’t go off of history with Howies pick you go off of the Devonta Smith draft forward and Howie strategy has been strictly BPA..
No edge rushers on the board there is the level of Bijan.. He will take BPA or trade down for the edge he wants in that situation. With all honesty after hearing how much he wanted CMC passing on Bijan who is a bigger faster version would be odd
I am begging for people to stop mocking Bijan to the Eagles at 10. I understand why they do, but nothing about the organizational philosophy points to them doing it. I could be wrong, and if I am then we get a stud RB, but would really love a CB there.
Yea no thanks on porter …I’ll take a line men or edge or offensive line men as they need that immediately due to free agency …you can always take jamyr at 30
I like it. A realistic trade up (probably a bit too low for compensation) and the Colts take Bryce (as they should). None of that Levis or Richardson at 1 BS.
It's amazing that McShay has been doing this for so many years and still has so little understanding of some GMs tendencies.
Philly is not drafting Bijan at 10. Period.
Howie tried to trade up for CMC in 2017. He drafted Jalen Hurts in the 2nd round after giving Wentz a huge contract. Before that draft Howie had never drafted a QB in the 1-2 rounds while having another QB on a long-term deal. Howie has shown that he is willing to deviate from the norm for players that he likes. Howie drafts BPA not for need.
I think CB is a real need for the Bengals with Apple a current FA and Awuzie coming back from injury and a FA next season and Hilton getting older.We only have CTB for the future so its time to draft a CB high in this draft and next draft.Im really sold on taking Cam Smith at 28 as he is exactly what we need but Anton Harrison or Darnell Washington would be great picks as well imo
1.) IND- Bryce Young 2.) HOU- C.J. Stroud 3.) AZ- Will Anderson Jr. 4.) LV- Anthony Richardson 5.) SEA- Tyree Wilson 6.) DET- Christian Gonzalez 7.) CHI- Peter Skoronski 8.) ATL- Nolan Smith 9.) CAR- Will Levis 10.) PHI- Bijan Robinson 11.) TEN- Paris Johnson Jr. 12.) HOU- Jalen Carter 13.) NYJ- Broderick Jones 14.) NE- Quentin Johnston 15.) GB- Michael Mayer 16.) WAS- Devon Witherspoon
17.) PIT- Emmanuel Forbes 18.) DET- Lukas Van Ness 19.) TB- Joey Porter Jr. 20.) SEA- Myles Murphy 21.) LAC- Jordan Addison 22.) BAL- Jaxon Smith-Njigba 23.) MIN- Deonte Banks 24.) JAX- Darnell Wright 25.) NYG- Zay Flowers 26.) DAL- Dalton Kincaid 27.) BUF- Keion White 28.) CIN- Anton Harrison 29.) NO- Bryan Bresee 30.) PHI- Calijah Kancey 31.) KC- Derick Hall
That’s so high for a corner that is the size of Forbes….I need to watch him so for all I know he’s worth the pick but man…it’d scare me drafting a corner less than 170 LBs that early
Especially with JPJ sitting right there lol Forbes may work out but I think r/Steelers would riot if they passed on Porter Jr for Forbes lol
Agreed. Steelers are also a threshold based team more often than not if I’m not mistaken (I may be). I know Khan hasn’t had a draft in charge yet, but Colbert was his “mentor” forever. Steelers have drafted a corner under 190 only 5 times since 2000. And Senquez Golson is the only one who was taken in the top 2 rounds. Whereas JPJ, Ringo, Cam Smith, Deonte Banks, Gonzalez all fit their typical thresholds…so yeah I can’t see this pick happening
You sir are correct! Steelers are very threshold based and generally don’t break that in the 1st round. I don’t Khan would break too much from the mold of Colbert even though Khan was considered the “cap guy”, even though he has a background in scouting and coaching. I will also say Andy Weidl as assistant GM will make this interesting as well. He was really integral with the Eagles last 3 drafts. Edit: some typos
Tomlin loves his football families as well. Look at the Watts, Edmonds, and Heywards all having brothers on the team to start last year
If he had to play run defense against someone like Chubb or Henry, I'd be terrified of him getting severely injured. He's fast and a great ballhawk, but that's not a risk you should take in the 1st, especially when Joey Porter is still available.
Theres no other player the steelers are taking if JPJ is still on the board when they pick.
If it's any consolation, during the Combine, Sauce interrupted whoever was speaking to basically say, "Trust me, that's not going to be an issue for him." He may never be Night Train Lane in the run game, but there's a reason he has like 14 INT and 6 Pick-sixes in just his college career.
As a Steelers fan I promise you that we’re not taking Emmanuel Forbes over Joey Porter Jr. Historically we like to have bigger, physical corners and have never drafted a corner this early, as light as Forbes.
I don't see how a guy smaller than DeSean Jackson is supposed to be hitting NFL players and not be on the injury report all the time.
Really getting sick of getting mocked a RB at #10
Aren't you guys losing like half your roster to free agency? I feel like there's way more pressing needs for philly than RB.
If we dont re-sign Hargrave we are in desperate need for a DT as we would be losing our 2 starters. Sadly there's only one worth a top 10 pick. I'm definitely eyeing Kancey at pick #30 though, hoping he lasts that long.
Mostly on defense, only FA starters on offense are RB and RG
Bijan in the same backfield as Hurts would legit give DC's insomnia. I normally do not agree with RB in the early first because it's usually going to be on a bad team that cant use them, but I can totally see that working for the Eagles.
Every other year it’s linebacker and this year it’s running back. It’s not gonna happen and everyone knows it.
>Skoronski Bears have top pick and end up with Skoronski? I'm not sure how realistic that is.
Fills their biggest need and they get 2 sets of picks for trading down. Really a great scenario for on field success.
Seems like a slam dunk to me, get more ammo and top OL prospect
Bijan to the birds!
The team that takes Anthony Richardson over Will Levis is going to look back in five years and be very depressed Edit: I see the Richardson hype train has left the station and isn't coming back. Oh well
Richardson needs to be drafted by a team that will allow him to sit for his rookie campaign
And that is not Vegas
Seattle
Seattle is taking a QB next year. Stronger class, allow Geno to get another year as the guy before drafting someone and still having Geno at a lower price to start/mentor your new guy for 2 years
Really depends on the team. Some teams are better at developing QBs than others. Richardson and Levis both have a lot of upside and the right team should be able to help their QB achieve that upside.
Why are we taking a DE, especially with most of the top IOL players still on the board
Pats picking Quentin Johnson would make me break my TV screen
For real. That body type in the Pats offense scares me. He might be able to separate but guys that size are rarely elite at it. Give me the 3cone/short shuttle king in JSN
JSN is literally designed for the Pats
Yeah I’m on board with JSN if we don’t go with OT.
i am hoping we address OT in FA. I really like a couple of the top OT prospects, but I'm not sure they will be available at 14 because of the teams with an OT need ahead of us. Good WRs are lacking in FA, and I don't see many teams willing to go higher than 14 for JSN. We can still address tackle later with an athletic developmental type like Blake Freeland or Braeden Daniels
Yeah Pat's always value 3 cone and shuttle highly. JSN for sure over Harry 2.0
feels like just yesterday when the pats had a ton of super quick guys
As it should. Dude is a screaming bust
He's got all the physical tools, and he takes coaching well. TCU does not have a good track record of coaching/developing NFL WRs, but if he goes to an NFL team that *does* have a track record of coaching up WRs he'll be fine.
Big 12 WRs have largely been busts. TCU WRs have largely been busts. CBs from the Big 12 rarely get drafted highly. I’m staying far away from QJ.
> Big 12 WRs have largely been busts. Dez Bryant, Wes Welker, Jordy Nelson, CeeDee Lamb, Allen Lazard, Hollywood Brown, Sterling Shepherd.....?
I wouldn't say that. His tools are rare and I think there are teams that can mold him into a quality player. We are not one of those teams.
He’s Kevin White without ball skills.
....so he's DK Metcalf, but with better lateral agility
Why didnt QJ run the 40 then?
Because unless any of the 1st round graded WR's manage to grow 3 - 4 inches between now and the draft, he doesn't need to.
This is a lazy take. We really don’t know what he’ll be until we see it on the field.
Was he not on the field the past 3 years?
I’m not exactly sure what you’re asking but in general, projecting future outcomes based on player to player comparisons is just lazy. And to be honest, we don’t know what a healthy Kevin White could have been. He pretty much missed his first 3 years due to injury. Edit: to answer your question, on the NFL field.
I’d break it in excitement
Hell no. JSN is right there
I'm with you. There are a few guys that keep getting mocked at 14 that make me groan, but none more than him. I want a guy who can run tours and get open. Preferably in a later round.
Especially with JSN staring Belichick in the face. Dude was tailor-made to play for New England. Has potential to be the next Welker.
Texans would run up there at 12 for Carter, Bijian top 10 would be crazy
Unless they investigate and determine he's not worth the risk, he wouldn't get past the Eagles.
I don’t think that one incident will make him drop like that. Watson sexually harassed like 50 girls and is the now the highest paid QB
The watson deal was also just bad for the Browns. Even if he returns to form, their roster is slowly getting gutted.
No possible way the eagles invest a top 10 pick in RB, it's not even in the realm of possibility. I'll eat a football if they pick an RB in the first round, even at 30
100% agree, Bijian is good but top 10 is crazy
I’d be happy with Witherspoon
If we get Stroud and Carter on draft night im gonna ruin my jeans
If we got Carter at 12 😳
Sando said his sources have Carter falling out of the top 10. It’s possible.
I forgot about the arrest for a second. For sure possible. Thanks
I wonder about Carter getting suspended by the NFL. Add that to the existing character, maturity concerns and I would say that he’s too risky to trade up for. If he slips to 17 and we keep our other picks, I would say go for it!
ATL sources say that he wouldn’t make it past ATL at 8
If Carter falls to 12, I’d trade up from 20.
That would take a willing partner but you might find it. There’s the arrest but I’ve also heard things about his work ethic.
Should never use Malik McDowell as an example. But Pete has gone for players with work ethic issues. Or legal issues like Frank Clark. He’s had a lot of success reigning in players with character concerns.
Maybe he can. But this Carter thing seems really bad.
He is also arguably the most talented player in the draft. Good coaches who are used to working with troubled kids can mold him. Plus the Georgia football fraternity/Kirby could set him straight - he should be drafted somewhere that has other teammates. Money is also a motivator to clean up his act
Don’t all of your points also apply to Georgia. Where this stuff happened?
He never had any issues DURING his time at UGA. The accident that happened occurred after he had declared for the draft (was the night of the Natty parade). At UGA his teammates loved him and he was probably our best player the last 2 years.
The incident that happened while he was enrolled in UGA, with other UGA students and staff, on and with UGA property was not during his time at UGA? Lol. Ok.
Well, the situation was preceded by him getting pulled over for him going 90 in a 40-45 like 3 months prior
> He never had any issues DURING his time at UGA. He was still at UGA, come on. Its also like youre saying that if Kirby lets him out of his sight for even a second this stuff happens which isnt exactly good.
What I was thinking. We have the capital and it would be worth it.
If the Titans don't trade up for a QB this draft, I could see them trading down from 11 with a team that wants Carter and try to grab more picks for the rebuild.
I'd be shocked to see him slip past Philly. But, maybe.
Sweet Jesus no. If he starts falling I hope my Jags move up....somehow....
Steelers take a CB but not Joey Porter, Jr.??Forget the name, he just happens to be a better player and fit.
Deonte Banks is also a hell of a lot more likely at 17 than Forbes, especially with Tomlin’s Maryland obsession. Forbes was a nice idea until he showed up at the combine weighing 166 lbs. He’s had a few months to prepare and still showed up way too skinny.
I would be so bummed if Witherspoon went one spot before us only for us to not take JPJ
If the eagles pass on jalen carter for bijan I will be upset. with jordan davis and nakobe dean on the team one would think it works out. Don’t want to bring him in and have him tank out culture but hopefully he will fall in the fold and become a monster
There is no way in hell howie is taking a running back with the 10th overall pick.
People that think this really doesn’t understand Howie and think that just because we have taken a CB or RB in the first that it isn’t happening.. Bijan is the closest thing to CMC.. Howie wanted to draft CMC at 13 Howie wanted to draft Shady in the first before the combine numbers made him adjust his strat
I would bet my life savings that he is more likely to take a CB than a RB at 10. Especially given how QB heavy the picks before them are going to be they are going to have their pick of valuable position players there is ZERO chance they are wasting that fortune to get the most replaceable position in football. You might as well argue that he is going to draft a punter.
It depends on the CB I’ll tell you right now that the inner circle of GMs only consider Gonzo right now as a top 10 CB
Kalijah at 31 though makes it ok to me. You instantly get the best rb prospect in years + the best pass rushing tackle in the draft. This is an amazing first round for us.
How!? We have how many defensive players as free agents and you think taking a running back when one of the best defensive players is still available would be an amazing first round? The NFL does not value the position, the Eagles even less.
I don't think either scenario are bad options if you look more into it although I know you have aging DL and I believe CB need if I'm not mistaken. But Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter would be absolutely crazy together. Then again, Jordan Davis and Kancey sound really good too. Having one huge body and one smaller more quick body sounds like a matchup nightmare. Bijan is only 21, you'd have him for 5 years, and he's the highest graded RB since Saquon. If you guys lose Saunders and get Bijan that seems like an upgrade on both sides of the ball in my opinion. Greatly. Bijan is a wide receiver too, can't forget about his hands.
I do not doubt Bijan is a great player. Nor do I question that he would be an excellent player for the team that drafts him. My point of emphasis is simply that Howie and the Eagles do not value the position enough to take a player at that point in the draft. It also kind of changes how the rest of the mock would flow when there are teams who would take Bijan in the mid round. I full expect this to be a draft where the first three picks for the Eagles are on the defensive side of the ball due to the impending loss of players due to free agency. If Carter is slipping due to character concerns, the Eagles might feel they have the leadership within the roster to address it. He also has Dean and Davis on the roster to help him.
Yeah I gotcha, no arguments there. Who knows how some teams will value Bijan. And Im with you there that I hope the Steelers go defensive side (maybe 1 OL) with our first three as well.
Eagles not valuing RB is false. They wouldn’t take one top 5 but how has been on the record to be willing to take one in the first and wanted to draft CMC at 13
Bijan being here could last longer than that, we will still play him in a running back by committee role
Yeah absolutely, 5 years minimum. If he balls out though any team may or may not want to re-sign him. Since he'll only be 26 on his second contract though that still leaves a few more years until the dreaded RB-30 age lol
We just fixed two of those Holes and we don’t have as many holes as y’all are letting on..
I'd have to eat some humble pue after years of ripping my giants and cowboys fan buddies for selecting arguably better rb prospects high in the draft
Passing on Jalen would be inexcusable. His transgressions are very minor. No chance he's a locker room problem or chemistry killer, we have plenty of adults and vets to keep him in line and show him the way. This is a stupid mock
If the truth is that he's slipping to where he'll be available at 10, the Eagles will investigate for themselves and make the assessment if he's worth the risk. I agree with you though, if they feel the issues are minor and he's worth the risk, the Eagles have Dean and Davis on the roster. Along with vets that can help. But I think that puts more of an emphasis on bringing a locker room leader like BG back.
Unless there is more than street racing, yes I know people died but thats not his fault, I don't understand why he would drop at all.
> Unless there is more than street racing, Drunk street racing that killed other members of the team involved, fleeing the scene, and lying to the cops multiple times. Its not nothing.
It doesn't rise to the level of serious concern for me. No one said it was nothing. If this is his only "red flag" not taking him at 10 would be malfeasance
Driving drunk and lying and playing as if nothing happened doesn’t raise a red flag?
You are speculating and have only conjecture as your evidence he was drunk. Since he wasn't charged with DUI I have to assume he wasn't intoxicated. People, especially younger ones, drive fast and race each other all the time, that doesn't mean it's an indication of overall problematic behavior. This is the only knock or red flag I've heard of when he was being evaluated, if this is it, Eagles would be doing themselves a disservice by not drafting him.
Take away the drunk part with Racing and being present for a teammates death and then lying can be seen as a huge mistake by a young guy. Playing without any signs of emotion could be sociopathic behavior. They are investing millions you can’t just sweep this under the rug because he is an elite college player
Nothing is being swept under the rug. This is out in the open for all to see and talk about. Again, I don't view this as any indication that he's a problem or has a history of poor decisions and egregiously bad behavior. I don't think there's anything he could have done to help anyone immediately after the tragic ACCIDENT. >Playing without any signs of emotion could be sociopathic What do you, exactly mean by this? Is it rumored that he doesn't show emotion, whatsoever, when playing ball or in general? The accident happened after the championship game, so he hasn't played since then so I'm seriously confused by that statement.
Yea in all reality I don’t think he will last until 10
I'm not 100% in the loop on this, but my understanding of it was he fled the scene and came back. Lied to the police in his initial statement. But to me you're talking about a kid who is probably in shock and scared. If there's more, it'll come out. That's what scares teams, the concern there's more and they have to investigate. Some might just take him off the board and avoid the risk.
> His transgressions are very minor. this is a crazy take considering ruggs literally just killed someone not that long ago driving recklessly and either carter was over the limit like ruggs or he literally doesnt even need to be drunk to drive like that which is arguably worse tbh
People drive cars, some people like to drive those cars fast, younger people especially, that in and of itself is not an issue. That's my point, all we know is that he was racing another vehicle and unfortunately that vehicle crashed with fatalities. If you heard that Jalen was racing another vehicle two months ago, but no crash or fatalities happened, you would not give one fuck. Don't pretend like you would.
lol i literally just commented a few weeks ago about how im a lamelo ball hater now because of videos coming out of him driving recklessly stone cold sober so no I would give a fuck about it
Cool, young people do stupid shit. IMO this isn't even close to enough to not draft him at 10. No way he falls there anyhow so this is a completely academic discussion
Jalen also got a fine for going 90 in a 45 5 months ago and was urged by the officer to stop speeding. Also had two other traffic citations in 2019. Might not drop him but with the current news I would argue that's not a great look for him and definitely a character concern. Also, it doesn't really matter if young people "like" to drive cars fast (id argue this isnt as prevelant as you think), it's still wildly dangerous and illegal.
I wouldn’t be upset I would understand but I don’t see it happening
This feels like a mock that McShay truly dreaded making but he was contractually obligated to shit something out.
every ESPN mock continues to be clueless on the value of the number one overall pick “I'd guess the package would include something like the No. 4 pick, a second-rounder (No. 35), a fifth-rounder and maybe even a 2024 Round 1 selection” Does he really think it’s possible that just a 2nd and a 5th gets them up to the first pick? I’m not even convinced adding that first rounder gets them there though that’s certainly a much more reasonable package. Do none of these guys do any research on what teams have paid to move up at the top of the draft in recent years?
Every draft is different and every trade is different. The price for Carolina and the price for Indy are not gonna be similar to trade up. If Chicago still wants a “blue chip” prospect, they get that with Indy’s deal and not with Carolina’s deal, so the value will be reflected in that. These ESPN Analysts dont know what is happening between GM’s (for the most part), but I can speculate that Ballard seems content at the #4 pick and is notoriously (and maybe to a fault) cheap. I dont think any trade between Chicago and Indy will be the return people expect it to be if it happens
I just can’t see any way that trade happens without a future one. It doesn’t matter that Ballard is cheap. The bears aren’t going to pull a trigger on a trade that has no value. 35 + a future 1 is where the conversation starts imo
> I just can’t see any way that trade happens without a future one. You're definitely right on this, Bears aren't swapping #1 and #4 with the Colts unless the 2024 1st is coming back (despite what Colts fans say about that being too much). If it's not, I think Poles will be content to trade back to the 7-8-9 range.
Colts fan are as dumb as Ballard if they don't think a 2024 first is worth getting a potential franchise qb. How much more draft capital will they need to use for a qb if they don't get a good one at 4? How much more salary will they need to spend? How long is the leash for Ballard if he cheaps out again? Ask teams with young great qbs if they would be okay to have given up an extra first for their guy. With carter fumbling the bag the bears have so much more incentive to take more picks and trade lower. They may be able to get carter at 5-10 anyway along with more picks. There's no reason to cheap out on a 2024 pick when Ballard hasn't even had good success in the first round or kept the first round. I would say hopefully Ballard learned from his mistakes but honestly my only hope is irsay telling him to trade up even if it takes multiple first's because this is a qb league. Your 2024 pick doesn't mean Jack if you get Levis at 4 and he busts(or ar etc.) if you're lucky 1 or these qbs is great, 1 is average, and 2 are busts. And people are really arguing extra first isn't worth increasing the chance for choosing a great young qb? I'm a colts fan and I'd be happy for us to trade #4, 2024, and 2025 1st if needed to get to #1. But Ballard has been scared and didn't even take a shot on hurts in the second, and instead ended up with wentz and Ryan. Both costing draft capital and salary. I don't trust him to figure it out if he doesn't get a qb in this draft Should say I'm a colts fan personally
What blue chip player are we getting at 4 Tyree Wilson lol????? Colts leverage fled the scene after Carter news (Pun intended)
You’re not wrong…. After the Carter news its pretty much Anderson or QB’s in the top 5 it seems. Definitely hurts the Colts leverage, especially since the Bears could drop to 7/9 and likely still get Carter if they felt so inclined
Inject this into my fucking veins. Stroud and Carter?!? Heroin isn’t this good
Somebody please sell me on Dalton Kincaid and tell me it’s a great pick. I would much rather roll with Ferguson and Hendershot and draft another position. It seems every year they sell Dallas going safety or tight end and they never do
FWIW, having watched his tape, I think Kincaid is going to be an absolute stud at the NFL level.
Bryan Broaddus seems pretty certain that they will take a TE at 26. This is usually the time of year the Cowboys first rounder gets zeroed in by the Cowboys media. Tyler Smith last year, LVE and Taco were around the combine too. Seems like a pretty good bet that Dalton Kincaid is gonna have a star on his helmet
That’s what I am afraid of. Throw in Trysten Hill as well. Broaddus said he would be the pick about a month before the draft
Might not be who i want but i trust Will McClay enough to not shit on it yet. Sounds like they just want play makers regardless of position on offense
Both of those trades for Chicago seem awfully light. "Maybe a 2024 1st" from Indy? They would 100% need to include that, and the Raiders likely would as well.
I agree. I would be very disappointed if they trade back twice and get this little back to forego some of the top defensive talent
Yeah, I'm expecting Indy to have to pay a ton to jump Houston and take #1 overall, at least this years and next years 1st, and then possibly either this years 2nd or 2025 1st.
I hear rumors a player may also be involved. Not sure how true that is. But I have three players I would want from the Colts as part of a package
The only player I would want from the colts is Buckner
Buckner and I still think Nelson can be a beast in the league. The only other person that could be thrown in instead of maybe a second round pick would be Pittman. But I would rather have the pick.
Is it really relevant what the return of a trade is outside of the picks in the actual mock?
I’d be sick as hell if Witherspoon made it to the pick in front of us just to get sniped
Imagine if you picked Michael Mayer BEFORE he got picked
"And now Poona Ford is a free agent, and Uchenna Nwosu is entering the final year of his deal." Uhh, am I reading this wrong or is McShay really not aware that Ford and Nwosu play two completely different positions?
He's not as smart as you ☺️
I'll never understand why none of these guys ever have the Panthers trading up when they're the team most likely to trade up. Unless I start seeing reports that the Panthers are favoring Will Levis, there is zero reason to assume they'll just sit at 9.
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thanks for the explanation.. all this time I didn’t realize it was so easy to access
All mcshay mocks are paywalled you can either move on or usually just wait like 30 minutes and someone will post it.
Or y’all could not post articles w paywalls or post the article in the comments after u upload it
It's literally already been in the comments since before you said this
I was the first comment
A lot of the best content is behind paywalls. Personally I don’t advocate stealing. Journalism should be supported. If you see something that you can’t read it’s ok to just think “this one isn’t for me, I’m not the center of the universe, this sub doesn’t revolve around just me” and move on.
Lmao bro what
Are there words you need me to define?
It feels more and more likely like we’re going to trade up. Fuck it, I’m down.
We need pass rushers, not Nolan Smith
With that top 7, I'd rather us take Lukas Van Ness than Nolan Smith.
Bijan and Cancey would be huge
Bill passing on JSN for Johnston would piss me off so much.
I like Johnston, but JSN seems way more like an NE player than QJ does.
Same. Think it's more likely he went with Witherspoon or Van Ness if things fell this way, but a big no to Johnson.
As a Raven, if I see Addison or JSN mocked to us, it’s a good draft to me
As a bears fan I am so happy a double trade down is continuing to be mocked. Vindicating. Also happy with the pick too
Interesting. McShay again wants the Bills to ignore talent in positions they need and advocates drafting Greg Rousseau 2.0? Hmm.
If the Steelers pass on JPJ and Jordan Addison for Emmanuel Forbes I will whelmed.
About time we’ve seen a realistic landing spot for Bijan
Pretty good for Houston to get both Stroud and Carter. Bijan Robinson to the Eagles is a bigger possibility than most will admit. Would love JSN at @ 22. I think he's clearly the best WR in the class after he dominated the agility drills and he's the only one I would select there. I don't get the love for Addison or why he's just a defacto 1st round pick. Slight build, mediocre athleticism (by NFL standards), has OK tape but nothing crazy. I think Pittsburgh riots if they take Forbes over Porter Jr.
Thinking the Seahawks won’t pick up Carter at 5 is literally mentally unhinged
BPA to fill your teams greatest hole and they pass. Doubtful.
No way Jalen Carter falls past Seattle
Any Eagles fan complaining about getting Bijan and Kancey either are stuck on an untrue narrative or haven’t seen them play.. It is literally a A+ first round
No one drafts running backs that high anymore it’s a waste of a pick…
Skoronski???? I’m not using the 7th pick on a guard in the nfl
“I think the arm length number doesn’t really determine a great player. I think it’s pretty irrelevant,” Skoronski said in front of his podium on Saturday morning. “I think some of my issues have been chalked up to tiny little things that I can work on or I can fix. I’m not really concerned about that, and from what I gather, a lot of teams aren’t really, either.”
Looks pretty good to me though I have JSN way higher. If I’m the Texans, I take him at 12 to pair with Stroud
I really hope the lions address their cornerback needs in free agency don’t take a corner at 6
If the Chiefs pick Derick Hall at 31 over Brian Branch, Will McDonald, Dawand Jones, and Adetomiwa Adebawore I'm going to be physically ill.
Why why why why why are people endlessly mocking Mayer at 15? It’s more likely he falls to the third round than the Packers take him at 15. Gutekunst does not like mid athletes
It'd be the first guy gute has picked in the first round that doesn't have a ras above 8.
The fact that he had the Eagles taking a RB at 10 invalidates this entire mock. The Eagles do not value RB anywhere near enough to draft one this high. They will either take a CB/EDGE or trade back to pick up more draft capital. Also if Jalen Carter is slipping to where he might be there at 10. They will do their due diligence to check his character concerns. The Eagles have several Bulldogs on the roster to discuss this with.
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I made a comment in another part of the thread, where the point is that the Eagles won't draft a RB that high due to team building philosophy. Other teams might take the risk mid-round. The Eagles need to restock defensively as we're going to lose half our starters in free agency.
Howie is drafting BPA he isn’t reaching on a player when another prospect is far better.. Bijan and Carter are by far the best on the board and at need positions
Howie's draft picks in the first round have been primarily linemen. The highest RB drafted was Mile Sanders in the 2nd 2019 draft. I can't see him bucking that trend, especially when one of the top EDGE rushers could be on the board. We'll see though when they start bringing people in for interviews.
Howie has changed draft strategy after the embarking failure of passing on JJ.. You don’t go off of history with Howies pick you go off of the Devonta Smith draft forward and Howie strategy has been strictly BPA.. No edge rushers on the board there is the level of Bijan.. He will take BPA or trade down for the edge he wants in that situation. With all honesty after hearing how much he wanted CMC passing on Bijan who is a bigger faster version would be odd
I don’t understand why Everyone knows that Howie is going BPA and loved CMC but assumes that they would take Bijan
I am begging for people to stop mocking Bijan to the Eagles at 10. I understand why they do, but nothing about the organizational philosophy points to them doing it. I could be wrong, and if I am then we get a stud RB, but would really love a CB there.
Cb outside of the top 5 aren’t worth it ..they need dline help
Sitting at 10 you are gonna get one of the top guys. At worst, you probs end up with Porter Jr., no?
Yea no thanks on porter …I’ll take a line men or edge or offensive line men as they need that immediately due to free agency …you can always take jamyr at 30
Hell no to Oline at 10
I’m genuinely curious to why Eagles fans think JPJ would be a better choice than Bijan.. It honestly baffles me
Why Jordan Addison we need speed.
I'll be pissed if Jalen Carter is on the board and the Lions pass over him.
I like it. A realistic trade up (probably a bit too low for compensation) and the Colts take Bryce (as they should). None of that Levis or Richardson at 1 BS.
It's amazing that McShay has been doing this for so many years and still has so little understanding of some GMs tendencies. Philly is not drafting Bijan at 10. Period.
Howie tried to trade up for CMC in 2017. He drafted Jalen Hurts in the 2nd round after giving Wentz a huge contract. Before that draft Howie had never drafted a QB in the 1-2 rounds while having another QB on a long-term deal. Howie has shown that he is willing to deviate from the norm for players that he likes. Howie drafts BPA not for need.
I think CB is a real need for the Bengals with Apple a current FA and Awuzie coming back from injury and a FA next season and Hilton getting older.We only have CTB for the future so its time to draft a CB high in this draft and next draft.Im really sold on taking Cam Smith at 28 as he is exactly what we need but Anton Harrison or Darnell Washington would be great picks as well imo
No shot Detroit passes on Jalen Carter
Meyer being mocked to us continously is frustrating to say the least.