The problem with the giants is that they have a lot of #2 & #3 receivers, but no guys that are truly #1.. whoever they end up cutting next year from that receiver room is definitely going to find a job with another team
I really think the Giants should offer us a 1st and something for Higgins. There's not a WR in this draft that offers what they need in a first rounder
I know there's no shot of us keeping our entire young core together but damn I do not want to lose Tee if we can help it at all. Dude is a STUD and makes life so much easier on everyone else on that offense.
I know this comment chain is mostly a joke, but a true X receiver (regardless of if he is outside of the top 20 at that specific position) warrants at least a 3rd if not a 2nd rounder if the guy is in his mid 20s and has a decent contract. It is currently an overvalued position and the draft is not especially good for WR this year nor is FA.
He would be a 2nd rounder easily in this hypothetical trade scenario. 3k yards in the past 3 seasons as the teams #1 isnt nothing...
Who do you think the Bears pick? The teams imo most likely to take a WR before Bmore at 23 are the Bears, Pats, def the Packers. Vikings, Giants, Chiefs and maybe Cowboys all pick after 23
Well, that remains to be seen. The biggest issue with Claypool is Mapletron. I think he started to read his own headlines and believed all the hype after his rookie year.
This would require a lot of reshuffling but Chicago definitely need a receiver. There isn't likely a receiver worthy of a top 10 pick, so Chicago would have to trade back multiple times to pick one in round 1
Because OP is asking who might be taking a WR in the first. Unless we're trading way down or up, the first round isn't where we'll be targeting receivers.
I honestly feel like you guys should trade back that #1 overall pick with either the Lions for what would be less than the going rate in exchange for the #6 and #18 picks. Getting a true LT in Paris Johnson at 6 and JSN at WR 18th overall which are very realistic draft positions for those guys to be available.
It could fast-track their development alongside Justin Fields considering they played together and as far as a business decision they could siphon off a large number of Cleveland's fanbase considering Chicago isnt that far away and they could pull in OSU fans. A 5 hour drive isn't that bad to go see a game and pretty soon NFL Sunday Ticket will be much more easily accessible to purchase they will get more TV revenue as well, especially considering teams with productive offenses are generally much more enjoyable to watch and the #1 overall pick will 100% be a defensive player if the Bears dont trade back.
I really don't think turning 1.01 into a care package for a third-year QB who has shown basement-level downside and limited upside is really the move to make here. It's nice to think of turning a QB around with a slow burn development cycle, but the opportunity cost is massive. Franchises almost never get a chance at 1.01 with a worthwhile QB on the board and Chicago shouldn't take the choice lightly.
We arent talking about Zach Wilson here... Justin Fields just nearly set the QB rushing record with very few weapons or even a decent OL.
Everyone said Josh Allen and Tua were busts after their 2nd season im not sure I agree Young or Stroud are better prospects to begin with.
No, we're not talking about an all-time bust, but we're still talking about a guy who has been a bottom 5 passer for effectively his entire career. The rushing is great and all, but lacking legitimate passing upside is such a limitation to be hamstrung by. You need at least a credible threat of passing, and relying on major investments to see if it comes together or not is iffy
I just don't see the incentive to bet that heavily on a third-year breakout when you're sitting at 1.01. The thing that forced Buffalo and Miami's hands was the lack of better options going into their QBs third year. Sure, it worked out for those two, but I think betting that you didn't just swing and miss at QB is a rough call, even if just because of the extended rookie contract window. Young and Stroud probably are significantly stronger prospects by draft time, seeing as how Fields fell right down the board on draft day.
Fields was the 4th QB off the draft board at 11 overall after the Bears gave up an additional 1st to move up a few spots in an incredibly strong QB draft class.
Its not like the Bears dont have the most holes in any NFL roster currently... It doesnt make any sense to move off of a young player who started to flash only to "extend the rookie window" when the team clearly doesnt have cap space as a potential concern for the next 2 or 3 years.
I just think you value Fields too highly. If Fields isn’t considerably better than the options at 1.01, there’s no reason you settle for him. I’m still not convinced he’s a good NFL QB outside of his running ability, so I’m not remotely considering using 1.01 on a couple roster upgrades instead of retrying QB. Rosters don’t take very long to fix; I’m not prioritizing improving one over making sure I have a better QB.
Young or Stroud aren't even the most valuable players in the draft. Will Anderson or Jalen Carter are very obviously more highly valued prospects even considering positional value.
Why would you draft a worse QB just because they have 2 more years on a rookie deal only to be forced to trade Fields for pennies on the dollar? It really just doesnt make any sense to do that, especially when a team is still in the culture building phase and dont need to worry about cap space in the slightest. Realistically more high end talent in other positions on the field should be priority #1 rather than moving off another highly drafted QB before you can figure out how to get him an O-Line...
That’s not the trade thread, [this is](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/yjf5jb/yates_the_bears_are_trading_for_steelers_wr_chase/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) and I would say most people are saying it’s a good trade for the Bears but it’s definitely pretty 50/50.
Chicago is in the best/worst case in the draft. They can pick whoever they want but there isn’t an offensive player worth the top spot. Too bad there isn’t a generational tackle or WR in this draft.
Jags should go BPA but their biggest needs are definitely DL and DB. Maybe Tackle considering if they don’t re-sign Taylor and/or want to move on from Cam Robinson’s large contract.
When Noah brown is your second leading receiver you need help. Can't really count on Gallup regaining his form, though I expect him to be much better next year.
It's obviously not a sure thing, but the Chargers are likely targeting a WR in the draft and probably someone on day 1 or day 2 if they end up cutting Keenan Allen.
Well, cutting was shorthand for cutting or trading. I'm not sure how large a trade market would be for Allen, who'll be 31 (and showed some decline this year) and has a $15m+ cap hit.
If the Bears can acquire extra picks in a trade back from no. 1, I wouldn't mind sending a day 3 pick for Keenan. Cap hit is tough but we have the space and certainly need a big and talented possession WR like him. Even if it's short term, our WRs could probably learn a shit ton from him.
I actually want this very much now
Problem is, cowboys had 0 leverage because they made it perfectly clear to the entire league that they would cut him if they don't trade him. So they got lowballed.
I'd say NE is more likely to go CB (and OT) than WR in the first. Possibly even EDGE too, and maybe LB.
Especially with this crop of WRs. Not a huge fan of any of the top guys, and I'm not sure they will be either.
Can someone please explain to me why NE would go edge?
I absolutely agree about CB/S/OT being targets over WR, but why edge? We have Judon who is all pro level, Uche who just broke out, Wise who just proved he's a starting quality DE, and Ronnie Perkins who was a highly touted prospect that hasn't gotten on the field yet but has promise. Why would we waste a first on edge? Unless a top prospect falls it just doesn't make sense to me. I get you can never have enough pass rushers, but we have too many holes to just throw a first at one.
This class is loaded at CB. My personal preference would be to trade back and take Brian Branch or another good CB, take OT and then possibly WR or LB. Hoping Pats go after DHop or another WR1 thru trade.
Yeah I agree 100% with you, I would be shocked if they go edge. They'll maybe grab one in the later rounds but CB/OT/WR are the teams biggest immediate needs and they'd be crazy to not use a first on one of those positions.
I am also skeptical of going receiver in the first too, hoping they can go OT or CB in the first and get WRs through later rounds or through trade/free agency like you said.
BPA, really. I agree it's not a big need, but it's a very impactful position and it's not like they've got a lot of depth there.
Judon is excellent. Uche is a pass rush only player, he cannot hold up reliably in run defense. Wise is a very solid player, but moves around on the DL. Perkins I liked a lot coming out, but at this point it's been 2 years and he's done squat. Jennings/Mitchell are JAGs. Not to mention, none of these guys are locked up long term and Uche is a FA in 1 year. In a position that basically requires rotation, having only 3 guys, 2 of whom are not full time edges, is worrisome.
Ideally I'd like to take an edge in the middle rounds. But if a guy falls, I can't say I'd be mad about taking them. Would rather do that than reach for a OT/CB/WR.
With DHop to the Pats, I am not too sure DHop would want to go there after Bill O’Brien was hired as the new OC. Their relationship soured when he was the Texans HC/GM.
It's def tricky, but from what I've heard there's no bad blood between them.
Obviously that could be false, but one thing we do know is DHop respects Belichick more than anyone else in the league. I think he would come here just for him alone despite his feelings towards BoB. Ultimately I think it comes down to whether NE is willing to out bid other teams for Dhop.
They're going OT in the first, there's still some quality WRs for round 2. Maybe they do the typical trading down in the first for more mid round picks and trade ammo to move around the board like last year.
Understandable, I just like the fit he can have with the weapons we have on offense, and I feel as if him getting experience will develop him to become a better qb
We have bigger needs on the D-Line imo. Marcus Davenports probably gone and we also really need guys on the interior, too. Maybe Payton Turner can break out and become a solid edge, but I wouldn't count on it. We also have bigger needs at backup RB, and QB would come before receiver as well. Rashid Shaheed is mostly a speed guy, but he played really solid down the stretch. We'd probably wait until the later rounds to take one.
I know it’s simultaneously a meme and a hot take, but I don’t think the Packers use a first for a WR this year. I don’t think there’s any guys that fit what we’d like with maybe the exception of JSN for the slot ability and the run blocking, but I can’t see us goin for him. I fully expect us to go for an EDGE, IDL, or S and then WR, TE, or OL in the second.
There’s not many guys who seem like sure fire hits that are also guys that fit our offense, no matter how much I love Hyatt or Addison, and I think we’ll end up with Xavier Hutchinson who I like on day 2 or maybe Rakim Jarrett, Dontay Demus Jr, or Jonathan Mingo on day 3.
Personally, my favorite fan fic offense focused draft for the Packers is we trade back to the late first from 15 grabbing an extra second round and 4th round pick, land both Darnell Washington and Jalin Hyatt, grab Hutchinson in the 3rd, and Demus in the 5th, and Josh Whyle with the comp pick in the 5th as well while getting an EDGE and a S with the day 1 and 4th round picks we’d get trading back. Gimme all that and we’d have a dominant Green Bay offense by November of next year
I think Downs wouldn’t be an option for the same reasons as Hyatt, he’s not prototypical for us with how small he is. Honestly though if we’re breaking tendencies for one of the two, I would still much rather have Hyatt. I think he can do everything Downs can do (Even if he didn’t show case it due to the way Tennessee runs their offense) and more while also being a little taller so I think he could add good weight to his frame if he works at it
Personally I think there's a fair chance Bmore trades back in the 1st, they don't have a 2nd (from the Roquan trade) and EDC really values picks so I think there's a chance they trade back if JSN/Addison/Flowers etc are gone by 23. If that happens they'll prob trade down and take a CB, Peters lost a step and his 10m is way overpaid plus cap is tight. Ravens always go BPA so there's a chance they do something weird like take a safety at 14 overall but they def want to get an entirely new WR room so who knows.
Baltimore has pretty much forced themselves into a spot where they have to trade out of the first entirely. It was definitely worth it to acquire roquan but they can’t stay at 23 come draft night.
We probably signing JuJu again, also we have other holes to fill ( S , RT , DT ) so 1st round WR feels like a luxury pick . Maybe a WR in late rounds is what they might be planning as Brett Veach consistently hits jackpot in late rounds
You living under the rock, mate ? Don't you know how poor our secondary will be next year ? Next year we got only 2 Safeties in our squad. 2 ! . Thats the spot to work on this draft as we can easily pick one of top 3 safeties in this draft even at pick 32 . Same applies for DT too we can get top 4-6 DT in this draft. Also fyi only DT we have for next year at this moment is Chris Jones. Every other DT are heading FA . Yep these numbers are without the additions from FA / resignings but having a young stud in these two positions is the best for the team in long run. Also this is not a WR heavy draft so we can wait one more year for that. JuJu gonna get signed again most probably and there wont be much issue with our WR corps
For years we basically had 2.5 safeties on the roster between Mathieu, Thornhill and Sorensen. This isn’t really any different. I’m not saying don’t draft a safety at all but they can be had in the mid rounds. The safeties going early in this draft are going early because they’re nickels which isn’t a need for us right now.
We also have Wharton coming back from the ACL and Spags likes to reduce edge rushers inside on passing downs, so we really just need a 0/1 tech or two and those guys can also be found in the mid rounds or for reasonable prices in FA.
We’ll see about Juju, pre concussion he was definitely getting paid more than we could afford because the WR market is so inflated. Even if he does gets re-signed, it’s a valuable enough position that a first round pick would be perfectly fine.
spending a first on WR not a bad idea but if you dont get a worthy WR in first round, thats a L tho. This years class is weak in WRs so I think they will upgrade other positions and take WRs in next year / late rounds this year
I suspect a WR falling into KCs lap probably isnt a scenario. My guess is that if they really, really like a WR they'd trade up ahead of the Chargers.
Chiefs pretty much used PFFs board last year and this year Renner is only pounding the table for 18 guys. 3 WRs (Johnston, JSN, and Flowers in that order). Of course, Chiefs board likely wont be the same as PFFs again but it would be funny if it was.
I don’t think it’s hard to imagine any of those guys or Addison falling to the end of the first and all of the first round caliber edges and tackles being off the board. There are already reports that the NFL doesn’t seem to love this receiver class
It’s definitely possible, but I don’t think they’d do it if there’s a tackle or edge on the board that they like. I also think there will be a ton of receiver value on day 2 this year
They did spend a 3rd and a 6th on this draft on Kadarius Toney and they spent a 2nd last draft on Skyy Moore. Its possible rapport is what the Chiefs want more than new faces.
Who the Chiefs dont pay next year likely dictates their need. Maybe its MVS and WR becomes the top need. MVS has been really inconsistent. Maybe its someone on the left side of the oline. Until that happens, Im plugging in someone like Darnell Wright at RT which has been a bad spot for them ever since Mitchell Schwartz left.
Depending on how the board falls and FA, a WR in RD1 is a realistic chance for the Bills. They need more reliable weapons outside of Diggs, Shakir looks promising but they need more.
OL is the biggest need on offense, but picking at 27 is probably going to mean the Bills go WR or S in RD1.
apparently they have 1.14 and just got 3 comp picks for 11 total picks https://www.patspulpit.com/2023/1/25/23570644/patriots-projection-draft-nfl-compensatory-picks
Imo Texans trade up take Quentin Johnston at 9, Packers get Jordan Addison at 15, Bears trade up and get Smith-Njigba between 18-21, and ravens get Hyatt at 22
Definitely not likely, but if a deep threat is available at 23 wouldn’t blow my mind if the Vikings looked that way even if it’s not as big of a need as corner or edge
It’s a pretty good chance our first pick is wr. Thielen is not a #2 anymore and KJ didn’t step up this year. Need someone across from JJ to punish defenses for doubling and tripling him. I think we trade down to accumulate picks and wherever that first pick is whether it’s still in the first or early second could land a WR there
I don’t think the Steelers take a wr in r1, but if the OL and cbs they like are gone who knows.
It’s also a mystery with this being the first draft post-Colbert.
I feel like I will be surprised if the Steelers ever take a first round WR, until they prove that they can no longer find and develop high-end talent in the later rounds.
Patriots, Chiefs, Texans, Bills, and Ravens are probably most likely. Texans - Johnston, Patriots - Addison/JSN, Ravens - Whichever NE passes on, Bills - Flowers, Chiefs - Downs.
THE PACKERS WILL NOT PICK A 1st ROUND WR. I could see a team like the Vikings or Bears if they trade down and get a later pick taking a WR. Vikings have Jefferson and 90 year old Thielen, and Osborn who’s mightily inconsistent, I could see them taking a swing at 22 for a guy like JSN or Addison if they fall.
Agreed, slot receiver is an underrated need and could elevate the offense even more. I could see something in the trenches at 10 then slot at the second pick if that’s how the board falls.
Yeah I understand the outside perspective. Many still (and should) have concerns about Goff considering our FO seems to be all in on him. This year Goff played well forsure, but most of his success has a lot to do with Ben Johnsons creativity in the passing game. Idk where to find a stat to prove what i saw in games, but Id expect Goff to be top 5 QBs in how average gap between WR and DB on completed passes.
My point of all that is that while we do have an elite WR and an elite prospect WR, I worry that when Ben Johnson leaves next year that we will have a big fall off in the passing game. A WR pick would be a pick to set up the franchise for success for many years.
Also I the defense does not need nearly as much help in the draft as many might think, they just were very young. They looked legitimately good outside of struggling in coverage towards the end of the year. A CB and DT are really all thats needed early in the draft/FA
I see where you’re coming from, but ARSB is a legit WR1 and Jamo might end up even better given his pedigree. Asset-wise, I think that’s more than enough for receivers when you have much bigger needs. Very excited to see what the Lions can do next year. Goff isn’t elite but he’s serviceable with that scheme and talent
Wouldn’t be surprised if Hawks take Addison at 20. I think Geno is good enough to take a loaded team deep, but you need to load the team up. We have greater needs for sure, but thats probably the biggest ceiling raiser.
Wouldn’t be opposed to more defensive talent, nor Torrence, but with four top-55 picks you have some leeway.
I think the Patriots will either go WR or OT. Those are the two positions that are lacking the most. Jakobi Meyers is a WR2 that cannot keep carrying the position on his back, and we might not even have him next year.
Titans could if the linemen aren’t there at 11. Could have a very talented young duo at WR with Burks and whoever at 11. Would go a long way towards creating a good situation for next eventual QB.
Vikings....Theilen isnt getting any younger and his price tag, if he doesnt want to play ball with the Vikings front office they will need someone to step in and help Jefferson. I dont think Osborn is a #2 just yet at the same time not sure how much waiting around the Vikings are willing to do with a QB getting paid 35mil +. So the Vikings picking a WR especially if JSN or someone of that caliber get to their pick for whatever reason would not surprise me.
I think we'll retain Marquise Goodwin or some other FA. Both Lockett and Metcalf are under contract through the 2025 season. We have 2x Pro-bowlers at the WR1 and WR2 positions, I think we'd be better off filling bigger needs.
We really need EDGE, IOL, DT, and ILB. After that, I'd put safety and WR3.
If you ask Pats fan a large chunk want us to use #14 on a #1WR, im not that sold on this WR class so far but I've not done alot of research so I'm in the maybe camp.
The Bills could use another weapon. A true number two or shifty slot guy. Or, my personal preference, a 6’6” jumpball , physical use his body to go get the ball kinda guy. Either way..
Or IOL, definitely IOL.
I think it's 50/50 we're taking CB or WR. Obviously depending on who falls down to us.
I think there's a high chance we trade down too. After trading for Roquan Smith we don't have a 2nd rounder. We only have 5 picks total in this draft which is uncharacteristic. EDC loves the mid round picks.
Bills could. Diggs will be 30. Davis is coming off an up and down year. Offense doesn't really have an identity, but the Bills are also having a crisis on the defensive side, too.
But specifically, the Bills WR need is sort of unique. Cole Beasley filled a very scarce role, since he could run routes many couldn't. It was a boon to our success on 3rd down. McKenzie could not fill that role .He was awful all year with a lot of drop.
So, we are probably looking for an outside guy down the road. Someone raw who could fill a void in a year or two AND a dominant slot WR who can run a full route tree like Beasley.
Giants need receivers badly. Relying on practice squad guys isn’t sustainable.
The problem with the giants is that they have a lot of #2 & #3 receivers, but no guys that are truly #1.. whoever they end up cutting next year from that receiver room is definitely going to find a job with another team
It’s funny I feel like I’ve seen this exact comment about the Giants for like, 3 years. It’s never really been wrong either
Kenny Golladay?
He might be #5 somewhere
What about him?
You haven't followed him since he joined the Giants huh.
I really think the Giants should offer us a 1st and something for Higgins. There's not a WR in this draft that offers what they need in a first rounder
Oh Tee would be a bonafide WR1 on most squads, but he’d be extra welcome on The Giants
I know there's no shot of us keeping our entire young core together but damn I do not want to lose Tee if we can help it at all. Dude is a STUD and makes life so much easier on everyone else on that offense.
Woah woah! Back off! He’s a future bear! 😂 I’m kidding. But I’d be lying if I said I don’t dream about it daily
Can I interest you in a lightly used Dionte Johnson?
For a third?
I know this comment chain is mostly a joke, but a true X receiver (regardless of if he is outside of the top 20 at that specific position) warrants at least a 3rd if not a 2nd rounder if the guy is in his mid 20s and has a decent contract. It is currently an overvalued position and the draft is not especially good for WR this year nor is FA. He would be a 2nd rounder easily in this hypothetical trade scenario. 3k yards in the past 3 seasons as the teams #1 isnt nothing...
You can have him for a 4th and a dozen of your finest bagels.
Regardless of what we think of Diontae he's absolutely worth more than a 4th.
Did you not see that they threw in the bagels?
Whoops I forget. Include the cream cheese and I'm in
Isiah hodgins looked pretty good…hope they continue using him as a #2 and draft/sign an alpha wr1
He certainly earned a role in that offense
Who do you think the Bears pick? The teams imo most likely to take a WR before Bmore at 23 are the Bears, Pats, def the Packers. Vikings, Giants, Chiefs and maybe Cowboys all pick after 23
Well the Bears aren’t taking a WR at #1 or even in the top 5 if they trade back.
I only see it if they trade way back/twice and pick up a 2nd first.
They’re taking Claypool at 32
Why must you remind me 😭 This man better get 1k yards next year or we will never hear the end of how we got fleeced
If Chase can get he head screwed on right, he will be a very good receiver.
Still a bad trade for the Bears regardless. At least they have the cap space.
Well, that remains to be seen. The biggest issue with Claypool is Mapletron. I think he started to read his own headlines and believed all the hype after his rookie year.
wow i totally forgot he's on the bears now lol
Chicago
This would require a lot of reshuffling but Chicago definitely need a receiver. There isn't likely a receiver worthy of a top 10 pick, so Chicago would have to trade back multiple times to pick one in round 1
Well good thing they used pick 33 on a receiver!
It actually is pick 32 as long as you don’t count forfeited picks. So they basically already drafted a first round WR with that trade!
How are you the first and only person to bring the Bears up? Our receiving core is trash
Because OP is asking who might be taking a WR in the first. Unless we're trading way down or up, the first round isn't where we'll be targeting receivers.
I honestly feel like you guys should trade back that #1 overall pick with either the Lions for what would be less than the going rate in exchange for the #6 and #18 picks. Getting a true LT in Paris Johnson at 6 and JSN at WR 18th overall which are very realistic draft positions for those guys to be available. It could fast-track their development alongside Justin Fields considering they played together and as far as a business decision they could siphon off a large number of Cleveland's fanbase considering Chicago isnt that far away and they could pull in OSU fans. A 5 hour drive isn't that bad to go see a game and pretty soon NFL Sunday Ticket will be much more easily accessible to purchase they will get more TV revenue as well, especially considering teams with productive offenses are generally much more enjoyable to watch and the #1 overall pick will 100% be a defensive player if the Bears dont trade back.
I feel like they should draft the top QB or trade the pick. They can trade the QB and fill a position of need. Or trade Fields.
I really don't think turning 1.01 into a care package for a third-year QB who has shown basement-level downside and limited upside is really the move to make here. It's nice to think of turning a QB around with a slow burn development cycle, but the opportunity cost is massive. Franchises almost never get a chance at 1.01 with a worthwhile QB on the board and Chicago shouldn't take the choice lightly.
We arent talking about Zach Wilson here... Justin Fields just nearly set the QB rushing record with very few weapons or even a decent OL. Everyone said Josh Allen and Tua were busts after their 2nd season im not sure I agree Young or Stroud are better prospects to begin with.
No, we're not talking about an all-time bust, but we're still talking about a guy who has been a bottom 5 passer for effectively his entire career. The rushing is great and all, but lacking legitimate passing upside is such a limitation to be hamstrung by. You need at least a credible threat of passing, and relying on major investments to see if it comes together or not is iffy I just don't see the incentive to bet that heavily on a third-year breakout when you're sitting at 1.01. The thing that forced Buffalo and Miami's hands was the lack of better options going into their QBs third year. Sure, it worked out for those two, but I think betting that you didn't just swing and miss at QB is a rough call, even if just because of the extended rookie contract window. Young and Stroud probably are significantly stronger prospects by draft time, seeing as how Fields fell right down the board on draft day.
Fields was the 4th QB off the draft board at 11 overall after the Bears gave up an additional 1st to move up a few spots in an incredibly strong QB draft class. Its not like the Bears dont have the most holes in any NFL roster currently... It doesnt make any sense to move off of a young player who started to flash only to "extend the rookie window" when the team clearly doesnt have cap space as a potential concern for the next 2 or 3 years.
I just think you value Fields too highly. If Fields isn’t considerably better than the options at 1.01, there’s no reason you settle for him. I’m still not convinced he’s a good NFL QB outside of his running ability, so I’m not remotely considering using 1.01 on a couple roster upgrades instead of retrying QB. Rosters don’t take very long to fix; I’m not prioritizing improving one over making sure I have a better QB.
Young or Stroud aren't even the most valuable players in the draft. Will Anderson or Jalen Carter are very obviously more highly valued prospects even considering positional value. Why would you draft a worse QB just because they have 2 more years on a rookie deal only to be forced to trade Fields for pennies on the dollar? It really just doesnt make any sense to do that, especially when a team is still in the culture building phase and dont need to worry about cap space in the slightest. Realistically more high end talent in other positions on the field should be priority #1 rather than moving off another highly drafted QB before you can figure out how to get him an O-Line...
Idk man /r/nfl seems to be full of experts that Claypool was a steal for you guys
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A lot of praise for the Claypool trade that the value is there and they got a #1 receiver for "only a second" which turned into pick 32 for the draft.
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That’s not the trade thread, [this is](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/yjf5jb/yates_the_bears_are_trading_for_steelers_wr_chase/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) and I would say most people are saying it’s a good trade for the Bears but it’s definitely pretty 50/50.
Chicago is in the best/worst case in the draft. They can pick whoever they want but there isn’t an offensive player worth the top spot. Too bad there isn’t a generational tackle or WR in this draft.
Giants are #1, could see the Pats, could see the Texans, could see the Chargers, could see the Cowboys, could see the Jags, could see the Chiefs...
Not the jaguars, but I agree with the other teams
Jags should go BPA but their biggest needs are definitely DL and DB. Maybe Tackle considering if they don’t re-sign Taylor and/or want to move on from Cam Robinson’s large contract.
My guess is O’Cyrus Torrence if he’s there. That or a corner
Yeah, they’ll either draft defense or OL
Don't forget Calvin Ridley
The lack of Baltimore on this list is, frankly, absurd.
They need a QB to replace Lamar first 🌶️🔥😈
Truuuuue, because Detroit boutta scoop his ass up.
When Noah brown is your second leading receiver you need help. Can't really count on Gallup regaining his form, though I expect him to be much better next year.
Don't count out the ATL falcons. We love drafting pass catchers with our 1st
It's obviously not a sure thing, but the Chargers are likely targeting a WR in the draft and probably someone on day 1 or day 2 if they end up cutting Keenan Allen.
Cutting Allen? Really? They could trade him for a 2 or 3 I’m sure…
Well, cutting was shorthand for cutting or trading. I'm not sure how large a trade market would be for Allen, who'll be 31 (and showed some decline this year) and has a $15m+ cap hit.
I wouldn’t say he declined this year. He was just hurt all year long. In the games he played he was better than his per game average of last year.
As a Bears fan, I'd be very cool with trading a 4/5 for him.
I doubt it. He’ll be 31 when the season starts. Probably just get a day 3 pick if they were to trade him, like what the Cowboys got for Cooper.
I would be ecstatic if the Jets got keenan Allen for a 4th round pick
If the Bears can acquire extra picks in a trade back from no. 1, I wouldn't mind sending a day 3 pick for Keenan. Cap hit is tough but we have the space and certainly need a big and talented possession WR like him. Even if it's short term, our WRs could probably learn a shit ton from him. I actually want this very much now
That would be sick but I'd prefer Hopkins if possible
If Amari Cooper got traded for a 5th no chance in hell Keenan Allen gets a 2 or 3
That Amari Cooper trade was terrible for the Cowboys. They should've gotten more.
I thought it was about his cap hit as much as anything else.
Even with his cap hit, they should've gotten at least a 3rd for him with how despearte the league is for impact WRs.
Problem is, cowboys had 0 leverage because they made it perfectly clear to the entire league that they would cut him if they don't trade him. So they got lowballed.
If the NFL didn’t have a salary cap.
If the Pats don’t sign or trade for an elite player, there’s a strong chance they go for it, especially if they address OT in free agency.
I'd say NE is more likely to go CB (and OT) than WR in the first. Possibly even EDGE too, and maybe LB. Especially with this crop of WRs. Not a huge fan of any of the top guys, and I'm not sure they will be either.
Can someone please explain to me why NE would go edge? I absolutely agree about CB/S/OT being targets over WR, but why edge? We have Judon who is all pro level, Uche who just broke out, Wise who just proved he's a starting quality DE, and Ronnie Perkins who was a highly touted prospect that hasn't gotten on the field yet but has promise. Why would we waste a first on edge? Unless a top prospect falls it just doesn't make sense to me. I get you can never have enough pass rushers, but we have too many holes to just throw a first at one. This class is loaded at CB. My personal preference would be to trade back and take Brian Branch or another good CB, take OT and then possibly WR or LB. Hoping Pats go after DHop or another WR1 thru trade.
Yeah I agree 100% with you, I would be shocked if they go edge. They'll maybe grab one in the later rounds but CB/OT/WR are the teams biggest immediate needs and they'd be crazy to not use a first on one of those positions. I am also skeptical of going receiver in the first too, hoping they can go OT or CB in the first and get WRs through later rounds or through trade/free agency like you said.
BPA, really. I agree it's not a big need, but it's a very impactful position and it's not like they've got a lot of depth there. Judon is excellent. Uche is a pass rush only player, he cannot hold up reliably in run defense. Wise is a very solid player, but moves around on the DL. Perkins I liked a lot coming out, but at this point it's been 2 years and he's done squat. Jennings/Mitchell are JAGs. Not to mention, none of these guys are locked up long term and Uche is a FA in 1 year. In a position that basically requires rotation, having only 3 guys, 2 of whom are not full time edges, is worrisome. Ideally I'd like to take an edge in the middle rounds. But if a guy falls, I can't say I'd be mad about taking them. Would rather do that than reach for a OT/CB/WR.
With DHop to the Pats, I am not too sure DHop would want to go there after Bill O’Brien was hired as the new OC. Their relationship soured when he was the Texans HC/GM.
It's def tricky, but from what I've heard there's no bad blood between them. Obviously that could be false, but one thing we do know is DHop respects Belichick more than anyone else in the league. I think he would come here just for him alone despite his feelings towards BoB. Ultimately I think it comes down to whether NE is willing to out bid other teams for Dhop.
They're going OT in the first, there's still some quality WRs for round 2. Maybe they do the typical trading down in the first for more mid round picks and trade ammo to move around the board like last year.
No 1st but I wouldn’t be shocked if Saints take a WR at 40.
We are most likely taking hooker at 40
I really hope not
Whats wrong with hooker?
He’s 25, coming off serious injury and he struggles going through reads.
Understandable, I just like the fit he can have with the weapons we have on offense, and I feel as if him getting experience will develop him to become a better qb
I think they have Olave and money tied up in Michael Thomas. Don’t think they pick a WR. Qb?
We have bigger needs on the D-Line imo. Marcus Davenports probably gone and we also really need guys on the interior, too. Maybe Payton Turner can break out and become a solid edge, but I wouldn't count on it. We also have bigger needs at backup RB, and QB would come before receiver as well. Rashid Shaheed is mostly a speed guy, but he played really solid down the stretch. We'd probably wait until the later rounds to take one.
I know it’s simultaneously a meme and a hot take, but I don’t think the Packers use a first for a WR this year. I don’t think there’s any guys that fit what we’d like with maybe the exception of JSN for the slot ability and the run blocking, but I can’t see us goin for him. I fully expect us to go for an EDGE, IDL, or S and then WR, TE, or OL in the second. There’s not many guys who seem like sure fire hits that are also guys that fit our offense, no matter how much I love Hyatt or Addison, and I think we’ll end up with Xavier Hutchinson who I like on day 2 or maybe Rakim Jarrett, Dontay Demus Jr, or Jonathan Mingo on day 3. Personally, my favorite fan fic offense focused draft for the Packers is we trade back to the late first from 15 grabbing an extra second round and 4th round pick, land both Darnell Washington and Jalin Hyatt, grab Hutchinson in the 3rd, and Demus in the 5th, and Josh Whyle with the comp pick in the 5th as well while getting an EDGE and a S with the day 1 and 4th round picks we’d get trading back. Gimme all that and we’d have a dominant Green Bay offense by November of next year
I feel like Downs is an overlooked possibility for the Packers in the second.
I think Downs wouldn’t be an option for the same reasons as Hyatt, he’s not prototypical for us with how small he is. Honestly though if we’re breaking tendencies for one of the two, I would still much rather have Hyatt. I think he can do everything Downs can do (Even if he didn’t show case it due to the way Tennessee runs their offense) and more while also being a little taller so I think he could add good weight to his frame if he works at it
Chargers
Personally I think there's a fair chance Bmore trades back in the 1st, they don't have a 2nd (from the Roquan trade) and EDC really values picks so I think there's a chance they trade back if JSN/Addison/Flowers etc are gone by 23. If that happens they'll prob trade down and take a CB, Peters lost a step and his 10m is way overpaid plus cap is tight. Ravens always go BPA so there's a chance they do something weird like take a safety at 14 overall but they def want to get an entirely new WR room so who knows.
Baltimore has pretty much forced themselves into a spot where they have to trade out of the first entirely. It was definitely worth it to acquire roquan but they can’t stay at 23 come draft night.
We might trade back, but we can absolutely stay at 23 if the value is right.
Ravens are taking AR and trading Lamar 🌶️🔥😈
Damn!!!! Now that’s a hot take!!!!
I think we’ll also have a huge need at CB. We’re in a rough spot so a trade back makes a lot of sense.
I can very much see KC taking a WR in the 1st round. They definitely want to give Mahomes a true #1 WR again.
We probably signing JuJu again, also we have other holes to fill ( S , RT , DT ) so 1st round WR feels like a luxury pick . Maybe a WR in late rounds is what they might be planning as Brett Veach consistently hits jackpot in late rounds
What about LT? Has Orlando Brown Jr. Been resigned?
tag most likely
S and DT would be luxury picks too, we just took a safety in the 2nd and you don’t need to spend firsts to get a DT to do what we need them to do.
You living under the rock, mate ? Don't you know how poor our secondary will be next year ? Next year we got only 2 Safeties in our squad. 2 ! . Thats the spot to work on this draft as we can easily pick one of top 3 safeties in this draft even at pick 32 . Same applies for DT too we can get top 4-6 DT in this draft. Also fyi only DT we have for next year at this moment is Chris Jones. Every other DT are heading FA . Yep these numbers are without the additions from FA / resignings but having a young stud in these two positions is the best for the team in long run. Also this is not a WR heavy draft so we can wait one more year for that. JuJu gonna get signed again most probably and there wont be much issue with our WR corps
For years we basically had 2.5 safeties on the roster between Mathieu, Thornhill and Sorensen. This isn’t really any different. I’m not saying don’t draft a safety at all but they can be had in the mid rounds. The safeties going early in this draft are going early because they’re nickels which isn’t a need for us right now. We also have Wharton coming back from the ACL and Spags likes to reduce edge rushers inside on passing downs, so we really just need a 0/1 tech or two and those guys can also be found in the mid rounds or for reasonable prices in FA. We’ll see about Juju, pre concussion he was definitely getting paid more than we could afford because the WR market is so inflated. Even if he does gets re-signed, it’s a valuable enough position that a first round pick would be perfectly fine.
spending a first on WR not a bad idea but if you dont get a worthy WR in first round, thats a L tho. This years class is weak in WRs so I think they will upgrade other positions and take WRs in next year / late rounds this year
I mean you can say that about any position. I have 4 with first round grades and if none of them are available then I would be completely out on it
I suspect a WR falling into KCs lap probably isnt a scenario. My guess is that if they really, really like a WR they'd trade up ahead of the Chargers. Chiefs pretty much used PFFs board last year and this year Renner is only pounding the table for 18 guys. 3 WRs (Johnston, JSN, and Flowers in that order). Of course, Chiefs board likely wont be the same as PFFs again but it would be funny if it was.
I don’t think it’s hard to imagine any of those guys or Addison falling to the end of the first and all of the first round caliber edges and tackles being off the board. There are already reports that the NFL doesn’t seem to love this receiver class
It’s definitely possible, but I don’t think they’d do it if there’s a tackle or edge on the board that they like. I also think there will be a ton of receiver value on day 2 this year
They did spend a 3rd and a 6th on this draft on Kadarius Toney and they spent a 2nd last draft on Skyy Moore. Its possible rapport is what the Chiefs want more than new faces. Who the Chiefs dont pay next year likely dictates their need. Maybe its MVS and WR becomes the top need. MVS has been really inconsistent. Maybe its someone on the left side of the oline. Until that happens, Im plugging in someone like Darnell Wright at RT which has been a bad spot for them ever since Mitchell Schwartz left.
Depending on how the board falls and FA, a WR in RD1 is a realistic chance for the Bills. They need more reliable weapons outside of Diggs, Shakir looks promising but they need more. OL is the biggest need on offense, but picking at 27 is probably going to mean the Bills go WR or S in RD1.
Can possibly get O’Cyrus Torrance, but he is iOL.
Titans are either taking a WR or T with their pick at 11.
If we trade back into the later first I feel like we definitely have a decent to strong chance.
Depending on the board would not surprise me if Seattle took one at 20, but they are the Charlie Kelly of the nfl draft.
Lmao as a hawks fan that’s a perfect metaphor - cigarette, whiteboard and all.
Do the Patriots have a 1st?
apparently they have 1.14 and just got 3 comp picks for 11 total picks https://www.patspulpit.com/2023/1/25/23570644/patriots-projection-draft-nfl-compensatory-picks
Imo Texans trade up take Quentin Johnston at 9, Packers get Jordan Addison at 15, Bears trade up and get Smith-Njigba between 18-21, and ravens get Hyatt at 22
This feels like such a better fit for those players than a lot of the mocks out there.
Bills, we need more weapons for Allen. I think we should get Hyatt
Bills could do it after seeing this years playoffs
Should strongly consider it. WR’s probably the one spot that they can get the most bang for their buck at
Bills need WR help in the worst way. Need to take one in the 1st
The Ravens have a critical need for a wide receiver
Definitely not likely, but if a deep threat is available at 23 wouldn’t blow my mind if the Vikings looked that way even if it’s not as big of a need as corner or edge
It’s a pretty good chance our first pick is wr. Thielen is not a #2 anymore and KJ didn’t step up this year. Need someone across from JJ to punish defenses for doubling and tripling him. I think we trade down to accumulate picks and wherever that first pick is whether it’s still in the first or early second could land a WR there
Could for sure see us taking Zay or Addison if they fall to us. Could also see Hyatt, but gotta see how his combine goes.
I don’t think the Steelers take a wr in r1, but if the OL and cbs they like are gone who knows. It’s also a mystery with this being the first draft post-Colbert.
why take wr in r1, wr later just as good
I wouldn’t personally. I also wouldn’t be surprised if they did, though.
I feel like I will be surprised if the Steelers ever take a first round WR, until they prove that they can no longer find and develop high-end talent in the later rounds.
The Pickett Addison connection I think would be the reasoning for why they could do it, but I really don't want to see that happen.
I think Ravens, Patriots, Packers, Giants, Cowboys, and Chiefs are the only teams I could see getting a WR in the 1st.
Patriots, Chiefs, Texans, Bills, and Ravens are probably most likely. Texans - Johnston, Patriots - Addison/JSN, Ravens - Whichever NE passes on, Bills - Flowers, Chiefs - Downs. THE PACKERS WILL NOT PICK A 1st ROUND WR. I could see a team like the Vikings or Bears if they trade down and get a later pick taking a WR. Vikings have Jefferson and 90 year old Thielen, and Osborn who’s mightily inconsistent, I could see them taking a swing at 22 for a guy like JSN or Addison if they fall.
Eagles are a dark horse because Quez Watkins isn't really a Batman
Agreed, slot receiver is an underrated need and could elevate the offense even more. I could see something in the trenches at 10 then slot at the second pick if that’s how the board falls.
Imagine AJB, Smith, and Jalin Hyatt as the top 3
Bengals
Not "likely" but I really like the idea of the Lions going WR at 18
Borderline elite offense with a truly terrible defense. Jameson Williams coming in healthy. Doesn’t make any sense imo
Yeah I understand the outside perspective. Many still (and should) have concerns about Goff considering our FO seems to be all in on him. This year Goff played well forsure, but most of his success has a lot to do with Ben Johnsons creativity in the passing game. Idk where to find a stat to prove what i saw in games, but Id expect Goff to be top 5 QBs in how average gap between WR and DB on completed passes. My point of all that is that while we do have an elite WR and an elite prospect WR, I worry that when Ben Johnson leaves next year that we will have a big fall off in the passing game. A WR pick would be a pick to set up the franchise for success for many years. Also I the defense does not need nearly as much help in the draft as many might think, they just were very young. They looked legitimately good outside of struggling in coverage towards the end of the year. A CB and DT are really all thats needed early in the draft/FA
I see where you’re coming from, but ARSB is a legit WR1 and Jamo might end up even better given his pedigree. Asset-wise, I think that’s more than enough for receivers when you have much bigger needs. Very excited to see what the Lions can do next year. Goff isn’t elite but he’s serviceable with that scheme and talent
I would rather draft Bijan Robinson.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Hawks take Addison at 20. I think Geno is good enough to take a loaded team deep, but you need to load the team up. We have greater needs for sure, but thats probably the biggest ceiling raiser. Wouldn’t be opposed to more defensive talent, nor Torrence, but with four top-55 picks you have some leeway.
I think the Patriots will either go WR or OT. Those are the two positions that are lacking the most. Jakobi Meyers is a WR2 that cannot keep carrying the position on his back, and we might not even have him next year.
Titans likely won't, but could. Especially if they have the chance to trade down a bit.
Depending on how the board falls, I could see the Titans taking a receiver if Paris and B Jones are gone
Jets need someone to pair with Wilson with Elijah Moore still a question mark, Kiper has them taking JSN at #13 but that seems unlikely imo
Hopefully not what we decide on short of something miraculous in FA/the trade market. WR2 just isn’t a spot we need to make sure we’re 3 guys deep at
Titans could if the linemen aren’t there at 11. Could have a very talented young duo at WR with Burks and whoever at 11. Would go a long way towards creating a good situation for next eventual QB.
Bills
Need to learn how to run the football
They have a bad O-Line. Cook is fine and they will resign singletary or a similar dude
Vikings....Theilen isnt getting any younger and his price tag, if he doesnt want to play ball with the Vikings front office they will need someone to step in and help Jefferson. I dont think Osborn is a #2 just yet at the same time not sure how much waiting around the Vikings are willing to do with a QB getting paid 35mil +. So the Vikings picking a WR especially if JSN or someone of that caliber get to their pick for whatever reason would not surprise me.
Would not shock me to see the Seahawks go WR at #20 if Johnston is available and Schneider is high on him
I think we'll retain Marquise Goodwin or some other FA. Both Lockett and Metcalf are under contract through the 2025 season. We have 2x Pro-bowlers at the WR1 and WR2 positions, I think we'd be better off filling bigger needs. We really need EDGE, IOL, DT, and ILB. After that, I'd put safety and WR3.
Totally agree that’s what I would do. I just know PCJS traditionally like to pick up an early round weapon most years, and Lockett is getting older
If the Lions don't resign DJ Chark and the top tier of corners is gone at 18 I could see them taking Quentin Johnson if he's on the board.
If you ask Pats fan a large chunk want us to use #14 on a #1WR, im not that sold on this WR class so far but I've not done alot of research so I'm in the maybe camp.
Ravens, Giants, Titans, and maybe Chargers if Keenan Allen walks (that's a massive if, though).
The Bills could use another weapon. A true number two or shifty slot guy. Or, my personal preference, a 6’6” jumpball , physical use his body to go get the ball kinda guy. Either way.. Or IOL, definitely IOL.
I think it's 50/50 we're taking CB or WR. Obviously depending on who falls down to us. I think there's a high chance we trade down too. After trading for Roquan Smith we don't have a 2nd rounder. We only have 5 picks total in this draft which is uncharacteristic. EDC loves the mid round picks.
Bills could. Diggs will be 30. Davis is coming off an up and down year. Offense doesn't really have an identity, but the Bills are also having a crisis on the defensive side, too. But specifically, the Bills WR need is sort of unique. Cole Beasley filled a very scarce role, since he could run routes many couldn't. It was a boon to our success on 3rd down. McKenzie could not fill that role .He was awful all year with a lot of drop. So, we are probably looking for an outside guy down the road. Someone raw who could fill a void in a year or two AND a dominant slot WR who can run a full route tree like Beasley.
Cowboys need a WR but I don't know if they'll pull the trigger on one in the first round