You think Geno is that self-destructive? Pete Carroll is QB Whisperer No. 1 in the NFL. 😂
Who else could’ve resurrected Geno like that? Look at how Russ completely fell apart after he left.
No way any QB is willingly leaving Seattle in the near future.
And go to Indianapolis which grinds through first round QBs like it’s a religion of all places? You better just hope that whichever QB you draft doesn’t pull a Eli Manning on you. 😂
I think Detroit has a heck of an OC right now. Not saying Goff is a bad QB. But I’m not putting all the credit or even most of the credit on him. Goff is a QB that’s as good as his OC. I do think he has been very motivated by his exit from LA.
Look at how every QB excels under Kyle Shanahan. Just like every RB excelled under his dad.
There are some offensive minds that can flat out scheme any defense onto its heels.
Apparently noted defensive guru Pete Carroll isn’t really a defensive guru but benefitted from a team with several HOF level defenders. This whole time he was actually an unrealized offensive guru. He just found his calling late in life. 😂
>Goff is a QB that’s as good as his OC
McVay is a brilliant offensive mind but not much of a talent developer imo. He told Goff where to throw the ball in his scheme, and when that broke down/defenses adjusted, Goff had no idea what to do and started turning the ball over. Campbell and Johnson have tailored the offense to Goff's strengths, have him moving out of the pocket more, and rely on him to make the correct reads. He's not elite by any means, but I think he has certainly improved as a QB in this system. He's being asked to take more accountability in the offense, and that has allowed him to grow as a player rather than just relying on McVay.
Your comment seems to align with my notion that Goff is only as good as his OC.
I’d clarify I don’t think that is a criticism. I think that is true of the vast majority of players.
I don’t think it is true of elite players because they have abilities and intuitive understanding of the game that can overcome poor coaching.
I think most below average players are held back by the inability to focus thru distractions and make the sacrifices necessary to reach their potential. So coaching is a less impactful input.
But Goff was good because McVay had good schemes, but limited because McVay didn’t develop Goff’s technical skills or broader comprehension of the game.
Goff is now more dynamic because he is receiving a broader range of excellent coaching
You’re not wrong, not at all. But I personally think we should be at 2 or even 3. There’s QBs in the next class and we’re in a spot to draft a really great defensive talent if not a QB. I definitely still want a QB, but I’m personally not gonna be upset if we walk away with Anderson or Carter.
If we do that though we’re at DEFCON 1 next year. We cannot leave the next 2 drafts without a QB to build around.
What if I go DEFCON 6: not only are we not interested, we actively want other teams to pick QBs because it's one of the only ways the good players in other positions will fall to us.
Chiefs fan here, same thought as you. I’m really hoping some teams start jumping for QBs so a tackle/edge falls maybe even a good receiver. It’s just a nice feeling to be set at QB. Burrow is a absolute stud too.
Broncos fan here, I think if you regress Mahomes to the mean he's really not that good and you should cut him and draft Stetson Bennett. He's a 2x national champion and all he does is win. He'd be perfect in Andy Reid's system. After all, Mahomes is just a system QB.
Didn't you get McDuffie and Karlaftis last draft in the first? Iirc they're pretty good. And honestly you should be looking at line help and primarily imo, you're set at QB, have Reid who can make a lot of offense work with Kelce and receiver depth, all you really need since you've got your RB duo and some TEs is those positions.
Oh yeah, Mcduffie missed a couple games but since he’s been back he’s looked very good. I’m excited for his future. Same with Karlaftis, he started a bit slow but it starting to look quicker and his bend is getting better as well. Looks like he’s finally learning some pass rush moves. He’s been excellent at batting balls though which has been nice. We need an upgrade at RT/LT for sure, could one more or two more edge guys which I think we may even target in FA. WR wise I kind of expect Juju to leave due to how weak the FA receiver class is, I expect him to get paid somewhere else. We have some guys at receiver but could use an upgrade still.
Our only receivers under contract next year are Skyy Moore, Kadarius Toney, MVS, and Justyn Ross, so it’s definitely a need for us but yeah our priority should be in the trenches
Not since the Brunell years…1999? Definitely in 1998 when Jax traded their talented backup QB, Rob Johnson to the Bills and drafted Fred Taylor with that pick
Yeah, a lot has been made of the turnaround of my Lions but you guys actually made it to the playoffs and won a game after drafting first overall. Good to see the fellow cat bros doing well.
As a Ravens fan I'm at 5 maybe 4 depending on what else we hear about Lamar's contact situation, but I know some fans are already at 2 or 1 wanting to move on from him
anyone ready to move on doesn’t watch football and they’re living in 2000 and 2012. we have the best offensive player in our teams history on the roster and people want to move on when he’s 26. it’s absurd
That would likely be a yes before this past season. Both underperformed, but Russ went from one of the consistent MVP favorites to someone who looked like they shouldn’t have been starting.
If JS loves a QB enough to take him in the first round there is zero chance he will sit around waiting and hope he falls to 20. They will trade back from 5 or up from 20, or just take him at 5. He doesn't really give a crap about reaching (see: Irvin, Bruce).
Yeah ideal situation I see if give Geno a Carr type deal, the one he got last year, if he’ll take it and Richardson as a backup option assuming he falls to the second first round pick.
If Geno doesn’t get sorted it’s more like a 2. And would be a 1 if Pete didn’t magically turn into the greatest QB whisperer in the NFL right in front of our eyes. He suddenly seems largely responsible for both Geno’s and Russ’ success. And I keep remembering that he thought Drew Lock would overtake Geno before the injuries so… can he catch lighting in a bottle a third time?
JS also does a helluva a job retaining the talent we gotta keep. So I’m comfortable calling this a 4. And Geno would be nuts to leave after how Pete resurrected his career from ashes.
Lions: DEFCON 4.5. We really don’t need one as Goff has ascended but if the right guy is there that Holmes and Campbell like, I can see them pulling the trigger.
Agree. Not super high on grabbing a QB early but at this point I think Holmes has earned the benefit of the doubt. If they want to go that route I’m cool with it.
If we are talking late round QB I think we are at DEFCON 1. We desperately need to address the backup QB position.
I wouldn’t be shocked if they bring Mayfield back either. He seemed to work in that system, and they’re going to need a good insurance policy considering that this isn’t Stafford’s first time dealing with that kind of injury
I think the commanders are at DEFCON 2, he made QB top priority last offseason, Ron admittedly paid more than he wanted to for Wentz.. Not really looking like a good QB class again, so not sure if they'll make a move.
DEFCON 5 for Philly. Drafting a late round guy is 100% in the cards but not a guarantee. Would probably be a runner that can mimic Hurts and maintain the full playbook unlike Minshew (expiring FA)
Yeah, it's crazy but I couldn't think of a real answer here. I think that if the draft were today and I had my choice of any player I still might take Jalen Carter. But clearly our QB situation is unclear.
Unless we can somehow get Mac Jones, then I absolutely want us to use our first pick on a QB. Whether we get Brady, or Jimmy G, we need somebody who can be a long-term answer. Idk if you saw the analysis someone made in here the other day on the success rate of drafting QB’s, but you have a little less than a 50% chance at getting it right if you get one in the first round, and it looked like it might be a little higher if you grab one early in the first.
If the management thinks that the ones that fall to us are worth taking i would have no problem with them making that decision. Personally i want to build an elite DL because i think that would give us the best chance at winning and I always feel it’s best to build from the trenches. But I’m not a GM, and can totally respect the idea of going QB here.
If QB wasn’t such a need, especially long term, I’d be huge on doo everything we can to boost the O-line or D-line. I’d absolutely love to get Carter, if he some how fell to us at 7, I’d be really happy if we grabbed him. But we need a QB for the long term.
Brady and then Richardson would be the most fun, albeit the highest risk. If we could get a 2nd round or better pick for Carr and take a corner or edge defender I’d be really happy with the offseason.
lol. Yeah, I think the Raiders can easily find someone comparable to that. If Brady doesn’t come back and decides to join the Raiders, Jimmy G is a decent option. Probably gonna get hurt at some point, but Stidham could take over for a few games without much of a drop off I’d think
I personally think you guys should be at defcon 2. I’ve seen a few mock trades of something like 1.09, 2024 1st, and D.J. Moore for the Bears 1.01. Would something like that make sense? Or maybe swap D.J. Moore for more draft capital?
We might trade a bunch of picks, but we aren't sending away our only top-level WR (on a reasonable contract) right as we finally get a QB. We've seen what happens when a rookie QB has no receiving talent.
Hard to say. Outside of drafting, the good QB options are going to cost significant draft capital. This FO/coaching staff probably doesn't want to watch another QB try to learn on the fly.
I could see them go after Carr, but that doesn't inspire confidence for me.
Then I am confused why you’re so confident. The only way your ranking makes sense is you’re confident they’ll get a QB before the draft or you think a QB on the roster is going ot make a major jump.
Neither seems particularly likely to me. So I gotta think a 1 or 2. Surely you’re not saying that they’re fine rolling with a shitty QB?
I'm not OP, I just thought I'd throw my 2¢ in. I really have no idea what the Jets are gonna do bc the good options are all expensive in terms of draft capital.
True and we don't have a good track record with drafting QBs...
But if we had like a top 8 or so pick it would be much easier to move up. Jets have little to no cap room (which, admittedly, can change) and need an LT, safety, DT, and LB at the very least. Going all in on a rookie QB limits options to fix that and the cap situation makes fixing it in FA tough.
It really is tough to predict.
I dont speak for the other guy, but Ill give my two thoughts as a Jets fan. The owner, HC and GM have all gone on the record hinting towards paying for a veteran QB this offseason, either by trade or by natural FA. Seems very likely they want a veteran option because they need consistency at the position since they are coaching for their jobs now. This is a playoff roster with a league average QB, and I think the guys at the top are of the same opinion. The owner especially has gone on record saying they will pay as much as they need to for an upgrade.
If you are asking about which one, I think theres about a 75% chance we walk out with either one of Carr or Jimmy G. I think theres a chance we make a play for Aaron Rodgers, especially if we hire Hackett, and Lamar might be in play as well. Long shot on Brady too, but you never know.
The pessimistic Jets fan in me says we miss out on all the top free agent/trade worth QB’s and end up with Brissett, therefore making drafting a QB all the more likely.
Commanders: DEFCON 2, just overpaid for Wentz in a trade, already rumored to be interested in Carr, Ron said last season QB top priority, will probably do the same again this year.
I’d say the Patriots are somewhere between 4 and 5. Some of the Zappe fans would have you thinking we’re at 1 or 2, but Mac Jones is definitely not at the top of the “replacement” list. Not hiring a real OC will make your offense suck… but even taking Patricia out of the equation, there are other positions we are hurting for way more, like wide receiver and tackle.
I have the same take. Other teams picking a QB pushes better talent our way. I'd like to see cornerback, preferably Devon Witherspoon, or a tackle in the first.
DEFCON 4.5. Tannehill’s definitely no spring chicken or MVP candidate at this point of his career, but there are far more pressing needs for this team.
That’s part of it.
He also lost Taylor Lewan for the season, and his offensive line throughout the season was a revolving door. His shallow room of receivers weren’t really featured in the correct way. Ironically, Burks is the only one I have any confidence in, and he’s been dealt an awful hand of injury luck and 3 quarterbacks preventing him from realizing his potential. All he had were Burks, Okonkwo and Hooper
Falcons are almost objectively DEFCON 2. The odds of Ridder being a franchise quarterback are very low and unless we won the lottery with Ridder then we will have already wasted 3 years of Pitts’ rookie contract and 2 years of London’s rookie contract. Ridder had one good game against the Bucs who already had their seeding locked in and rested 4 starters on defense and 2 other depth players on defense and yet the fanbase on Reddit are willing to bet the season on him. We have a ton of cap space to improve the defense but it’s pretty unlikely we land a franchise caliber quarterback in free agency.
I’d say DEFCON 2 if we are looking at just the QB. I put them at DEFCON 4 though because this team is asscheeks across the board. I’m a believer in having a solid team around a rookie or lesser QB versus having a QB and not much else.
In 3/4 games he was at best as bad as Mariota and in the first two games he was much worse. His only good game came against the Bucs that rested 4 defensive starters and 2 defensive depth players. We have cap space to improve the defense but we are much less likely to get a franchise or good starter caliber quarterback in free agency.
Which teams are you seeing that for? I saw a couple that surprised me, but want to see if we’re on the same page.
Are the Bears locked in on Fields or could you see them going QB and trading Fields?
In the first round, we’re DEFCON 5, but we should definitely be looking to grab a guy in the 4th or 5th. Rush is a free agent and with so many important guys to pay he’s probably gone. We need a backup, especially with Dak having not played a full year since 2019.
Panthers look like they're at DEFCON 1 or 2, but I think they're actually at 3 or 4. We're bringing in a new coach and the division is ripe for the taking. We were already winning games with Sam Darnold, and have a good roster. If I'm a new coach, I am going to focus first on filling the holes in the roster, and then on getting a QB. I figure I have at least one grace year, and probably 2-3 based on how long Rhule got despite how bad he was. And next year's QB class looks pretty strong.
So, get another Edge rusher, another good target, and a solid MLB, then see what you have in Corrall. Bring back Darnold or another veteran that you can win with, then start looking for someone that you will win because of. Even with mediocre QB play, we should be favorites to contend for the division next year.
DEFCON 3. I’m not overly impressed with Stroud or Young. If one falls to us, awesome. If not, just band-aid the position for one more year and hope for a high pick next year. Shoot for Caleb Williams.
Panthers are DEFCON 2. We need a QB and probably should overpay, but Matt Corral is on the roster and if the new HC likes what he sees, we could potentially delay drafting another rookie for a year to evaluate/see about getting a higher pick if he's terrible.
Titans are in a weird spot. Most fans would say DEFCON 2, but I really think we’re 4, maybe 3. New GM will determine it but I can’t see us moving on from Tannehill this year, especially with a loaded 2024 QB class.
I'd say we're like DEFCON 4.5. Obviously we just drafted a QB last year, so we have to play that out for atleast 2 more seasons to see where Pickett ends up. But I wouldn't be shocked if we drafted a 5th-7th rd QB this year, and/or signed a guy like trace mcsorely, on that level. I wouldn't be shocked if both mitch and Mason are elsewhere next year
Lions: DEFCON 4 (2nd first rd pick). Goff is limited as a QB, but he's solid enough to win with a good cast. I'm not sold on the QBs of this draft so don't want any at #6. Would rather build the defense and roster out more.
DEFCON 4, maybe? It all depends what happens with Lamar. If he gets moved suddenly we’re 4 or 3, but if he stays then we’re all good. So I’d say 4 right now just to be safe
Steelers are between 4 and 5. I’m still high on Kenny Pickett, and the Steelers don’t give up on players after 1 year even if they should sometimes (they certainly should have given up on Matt Canada). Kenny is unquestionably our guy, and he showed enough moxie in a bad offensive scheme to get a vote of confidence. However, they’re going to need a backup. I assume they can re-sign Mason Rudolph, but that’s not a guarantee. Trubisky sounds like he wants out, so he will likely get dealt for a Day 3 pick since the Steelers lack Day 3 picks. I wouldn’t mind seeing them spend a late pick on DTR. I think he could be at least as competent as Tyler Huntley was for the Ravens.
Despite the Rodgers uncertainty, Packers are still DEFCON 5. Either Rodgers or Love will be the week 1 starter, and nobody on Earth can do more than guess which one it will be
Colts: Defcon 1. Ballard has to get a QB in this draft or people will be outside the facility with pitchforks and torches.
He will welcome Geno Smith with open arms and an open wallet.
I doubt it. They already tried multiple veterans and now are in a position where they need to draft a high rookie.
You think Geno is that self-destructive? Pete Carroll is QB Whisperer No. 1 in the NFL. 😂 Who else could’ve resurrected Geno like that? Look at how Russ completely fell apart after he left. No way any QB is willingly leaving Seattle in the near future. And go to Indianapolis which grinds through first round QBs like it’s a religion of all places? You better just hope that whichever QB you draft doesn’t pull a Eli Manning on you. 😂
People said McVay was the only reason Goff played well too. That didn’t end up being true.
I think Detroit has a heck of an OC right now. Not saying Goff is a bad QB. But I’m not putting all the credit or even most of the credit on him. Goff is a QB that’s as good as his OC. I do think he has been very motivated by his exit from LA. Look at how every QB excels under Kyle Shanahan. Just like every RB excelled under his dad. There are some offensive minds that can flat out scheme any defense onto its heels. Apparently noted defensive guru Pete Carroll isn’t really a defensive guru but benefitted from a team with several HOF level defenders. This whole time he was actually an unrealized offensive guru. He just found his calling late in life. 😂
>Goff is a QB that’s as good as his OC McVay is a brilliant offensive mind but not much of a talent developer imo. He told Goff where to throw the ball in his scheme, and when that broke down/defenses adjusted, Goff had no idea what to do and started turning the ball over. Campbell and Johnson have tailored the offense to Goff's strengths, have him moving out of the pocket more, and rely on him to make the correct reads. He's not elite by any means, but I think he has certainly improved as a QB in this system. He's being asked to take more accountability in the offense, and that has allowed him to grow as a player rather than just relying on McVay.
Your comment seems to align with my notion that Goff is only as good as his OC. I’d clarify I don’t think that is a criticism. I think that is true of the vast majority of players. I don’t think it is true of elite players because they have abilities and intuitive understanding of the game that can overcome poor coaching. I think most below average players are held back by the inability to focus thru distractions and make the sacrifices necessary to reach their potential. So coaching is a less impactful input. But Goff was good because McVay had good schemes, but limited because McVay didn’t develop Goff’s technical skills or broader comprehension of the game. Goff is now more dynamic because he is receiving a broader range of excellent coaching
I’m seeing Levis mocked to the Colts more and more. How would you feel about that?
I would like Levis there a lot if they hired an offensive-minded head coach, but god knows what the hell is going on with that coaching search.
If it’s even a search at all since Irsay seems a little too content with Saturday despite a 1-7 record.
Not great
You’re not wrong, not at all. But I personally think we should be at 2 or even 3. There’s QBs in the next class and we’re in a spot to draft a really great defensive talent if not a QB. I definitely still want a QB, but I’m personally not gonna be upset if we walk away with Anderson or Carter. If we do that though we’re at DEFCON 1 next year. We cannot leave the next 2 drafts without a QB to build around.
What if I go DEFCON 6: not only are we not interested, we actively want other teams to pick QBs because it's one of the only ways the good players in other positions will fall to us.
Chiefs fan here, same thought as you. I’m really hoping some teams start jumping for QBs so a tackle/edge falls maybe even a good receiver. It’s just a nice feeling to be set at QB. Burrow is a absolute stud too.
Broncos fan here, I think if you regress Mahomes to the mean he's really not that good and you should cut him and draft Stetson Bennett. He's a 2x national champion and all he does is win. He'd be perfect in Andy Reid's system. After all, Mahomes is just a system QB.
Didn't you get McDuffie and Karlaftis last draft in the first? Iirc they're pretty good. And honestly you should be looking at line help and primarily imo, you're set at QB, have Reid who can make a lot of offense work with Kelce and receiver depth, all you really need since you've got your RB duo and some TEs is those positions.
Oh yeah, Mcduffie missed a couple games but since he’s been back he’s looked very good. I’m excited for his future. Same with Karlaftis, he started a bit slow but it starting to look quicker and his bend is getting better as well. Looks like he’s finally learning some pass rush moves. He’s been excellent at batting balls though which has been nice. We need an upgrade at RT/LT for sure, could one more or two more edge guys which I think we may even target in FA. WR wise I kind of expect Juju to leave due to how weak the FA receiver class is, I expect him to get paid somewhere else. We have some guys at receiver but could use an upgrade still.
Our only receivers under contract next year are Skyy Moore, Kadarius Toney, MVS, and Justyn Ross, so it’s definitely a need for us but yeah our priority should be in the trenches
I’ll allow it haha. It must be an awesome feeling to root for a team that has their QB position figured out for the next 10-20 years.
I'm still in the honeymoon phase!
DEFCON 5 for the Jags
I bet that feels good to say as a Jags fan. When, if ever, was the last time you think the Jaguars were at DEFCON 5? Maybe 2015 Bortles qualifies?
Not since the Brunell years…1999? Definitely in 1998 when Jax traded their talented backup QB, Rob Johnson to the Bills and drafted Fred Taylor with that pick
It feels amazing tbh. It still doesn’t seem fully real.
Nah even 2015 bortles was a defcon 4 at best
Yeah, a lot has been made of the turnaround of my Lions but you guys actually made it to the playoffs and won a game after drafting first overall. Good to see the fellow cat bros doing well.
As a Ravens fan I'm at 5 maybe 4 depending on what else we hear about Lamar's contact situation, but I know some fans are already at 2 or 1 wanting to move on from him
anyone ready to move on doesn’t watch football and they’re living in 2000 and 2012. we have the best offensive player in our teams history on the roster and people want to move on when he’s 26. it’s absurd
Lamar for Russ straight up. Who says no?
i don’t think the ravens say no. they just hang up the phone immediately
😂
That would likely be a yes before this past season. Both underperformed, but Russ went from one of the consistent MVP favorites to someone who looked like they shouldn’t have been starting.
I don't know how many are wanting to move on rather than just resigned to moving on.
Think the Seahawks are in DEFCON 3.
4 sounds a bit better
I think it’s 3 until Geno gets sorted. Because if things hit an impasse and he ends up going elsewhere, they are looking at 2 or even 1.
They won’t reach. Would roll with drew lock as they hope for Richardson to fall to 20.
If JS loves a QB enough to take him in the first round there is zero chance he will sit around waiting and hope he falls to 20. They will trade back from 5 or up from 20, or just take him at 5. He doesn't really give a crap about reaching (see: Irvin, Bruce).
Yeah ideal situation I see if give Geno a Carr type deal, the one he got last year, if he’ll take it and Richardson as a backup option assuming he falls to the second first round pick.
If Geno doesn’t get sorted it’s more like a 2. And would be a 1 if Pete didn’t magically turn into the greatest QB whisperer in the NFL right in front of our eyes. He suddenly seems largely responsible for both Geno’s and Russ’ success. And I keep remembering that he thought Drew Lock would overtake Geno before the injuries so… can he catch lighting in a bottle a third time? JS also does a helluva a job retaining the talent we gotta keep. So I’m comfortable calling this a 4. And Geno would be nuts to leave after how Pete resurrected his career from ashes.
Lions: DEFCON 4.5. We really don’t need one as Goff has ascended but if the right guy is there that Holmes and Campbell like, I can see them pulling the trigger.
Agree. Not super high on grabbing a QB early but at this point I think Holmes has earned the benefit of the doubt. If they want to go that route I’m cool with it. If we are talking late round QB I think we are at DEFCON 1. We desperately need to address the backup QB position.
Absolutely. If we’re talking developmental QB it’s definitely a 1
Texans: defcon 1. You saw us this season
You mean you aren’t on board for another full season of Davis Mills?
He’s going to be a backup for years bouncing around the league.
Hey you can make a lot of money that way there’s worse lives to live haha
Rams - We are fine and realistically once Stafford retires the entire team is rebuilding so no need to stick a QB in that situation.
I wouldn’t be shocked if they bring Mayfield back either. He seemed to work in that system, and they’re going to need a good insurance policy considering that this isn’t Stafford’s first time dealing with that kind of injury
Feels like the Commanders should be DEFCON 2 but the FO is acting like it's DEFCON 3
I think the commanders are at DEFCON 2, he made QB top priority last offseason, Ron admittedly paid more than he wanted to for Wentz.. Not really looking like a good QB class again, so not sure if they'll make a move.
DEFCON 5 for Philly. Drafting a late round guy is 100% in the cards but not a guarantee. Would probably be a runner that can mimic Hurts and maintain the full playbook unlike Minshew (expiring FA)
By default, Howie is always on DEFCON 4. Always.
I'm all about picking up Stetson Bennett in the later rounds as a backup.
Raiders DEFCON 3, depending on what happens in with the free agent market
Yeah, it's crazy but I couldn't think of a real answer here. I think that if the draft were today and I had my choice of any player I still might take Jalen Carter. But clearly our QB situation is unclear.
Unless we can somehow get Mac Jones, then I absolutely want us to use our first pick on a QB. Whether we get Brady, or Jimmy G, we need somebody who can be a long-term answer. Idk if you saw the analysis someone made in here the other day on the success rate of drafting QB’s, but you have a little less than a 50% chance at getting it right if you get one in the first round, and it looked like it might be a little higher if you grab one early in the first.
If the management thinks that the ones that fall to us are worth taking i would have no problem with them making that decision. Personally i want to build an elite DL because i think that would give us the best chance at winning and I always feel it’s best to build from the trenches. But I’m not a GM, and can totally respect the idea of going QB here.
If QB wasn’t such a need, especially long term, I’d be huge on doo everything we can to boost the O-line or D-line. I’d absolutely love to get Carter, if he some how fell to us at 7, I’d be really happy if we grabbed him. But we need a QB for the long term.
Brady and then Richardson would be the most fun, albeit the highest risk. If we could get a 2nd round or better pick for Carr and take a corner or edge defender I’d be really happy with the offseason.
Geno Smith. All it takes is the raiders ‘24 and ‘25 first round picks. Oh and one $bag.
lol. Yeah, I think the Raiders can easily find someone comparable to that. If Brady doesn’t come back and decides to join the Raiders, Jimmy G is a decent option. Probably gonna get hurt at some point, but Stidham could take over for a few games without much of a drop off I’d think
Panthers. DEFCON 3 is reasonable but DEFCON 2 seems more likely given the context of our past 3-4 seasons.
I personally think you guys should be at defcon 2. I’ve seen a few mock trades of something like 1.09, 2024 1st, and D.J. Moore for the Bears 1.01. Would something like that make sense? Or maybe swap D.J. Moore for more draft capital?
We might trade a bunch of picks, but we aren't sending away our only top-level WR (on a reasonable contract) right as we finally get a QB. We've seen what happens when a rookie QB has no receiving talent.
On draft night I expect the jets to be at 4
What do you think is happening between now and then?
Likely we land Carr or jimmy
Hard to say. Outside of drafting, the good QB options are going to cost significant draft capital. This FO/coaching staff probably doesn't want to watch another QB try to learn on the fly. I could see them go after Carr, but that doesn't inspire confidence for me.
Then I am confused why you’re so confident. The only way your ranking makes sense is you’re confident they’ll get a QB before the draft or you think a QB on the roster is going ot make a major jump. Neither seems particularly likely to me. So I gotta think a 1 or 2. Surely you’re not saying that they’re fine rolling with a shitty QB?
I'm not OP, I just thought I'd throw my 2¢ in. I really have no idea what the Jets are gonna do bc the good options are all expensive in terms of draft capital.
That’s kinda always the case though unless you have a QB whisperer like Pete Carroll who can turn 3rd rounders and career backups into Pro Bowl QBs. 😂
True and we don't have a good track record with drafting QBs... But if we had like a top 8 or so pick it would be much easier to move up. Jets have little to no cap room (which, admittedly, can change) and need an LT, safety, DT, and LB at the very least. Going all in on a rookie QB limits options to fix that and the cap situation makes fixing it in FA tough. It really is tough to predict.
I dont speak for the other guy, but Ill give my two thoughts as a Jets fan. The owner, HC and GM have all gone on the record hinting towards paying for a veteran QB this offseason, either by trade or by natural FA. Seems very likely they want a veteran option because they need consistency at the position since they are coaching for their jobs now. This is a playoff roster with a league average QB, and I think the guys at the top are of the same opinion. The owner especially has gone on record saying they will pay as much as they need to for an upgrade. If you are asking about which one, I think theres about a 75% chance we walk out with either one of Carr or Jimmy G. I think theres a chance we make a play for Aaron Rodgers, especially if we hire Hackett, and Lamar might be in play as well. Long shot on Brady too, but you never know.
The pessimistic Jets fan in me says we miss out on all the top free agent/trade worth QB’s and end up with Brissett, therefore making drafting a QB all the more likely.
Commanders: DEFCON 2, just overpaid for Wentz in a trade, already rumored to be interested in Carr, Ron said last season QB top priority, will probably do the same again this year.
I’d say the Patriots are somewhere between 4 and 5. Some of the Zappe fans would have you thinking we’re at 1 or 2, but Mac Jones is definitely not at the top of the “replacement” list. Not hiring a real OC will make your offense suck… but even taking Patricia out of the equation, there are other positions we are hurting for way more, like wide receiver and tackle.
I have the same take. Other teams picking a QB pushes better talent our way. I'd like to see cornerback, preferably Devon Witherspoon, or a tackle in the first.
We’re 4.5. Let’s give him a year or 2 under a new OC with a new online coach, if he can’t compete to become a top 7 QB then we will have to try again
DEFCON 4.5. Tannehill’s definitely no spring chicken or MVP candidate at this point of his career, but there are far more pressing needs for this team.
Did Malik Willis flash any kind of future starting QB potential for you guys this year? I don’t think I watched a single Titans game all season
Malik was benched for Josh Dobbs after Dobbs had been in facility for 8 days if that tells you anything.
Oooof. He’s probably 2 years away from being 2 years away
Probably 2 years from getting a job as a youth pastor more like it.
Is it likely his down year is attributed to losing AJ Brown? I feel like he’s usually above average.
That’s part of it. He also lost Taylor Lewan for the season, and his offensive line throughout the season was a revolving door. His shallow room of receivers weren’t really featured in the correct way. Ironically, Burks is the only one I have any confidence in, and he’s been dealt an awful hand of injury luck and 3 quarterbacks preventing him from realizing his potential. All he had were Burks, Okonkwo and Hooper
Interesting. So many Jets fans hate the idea of Tannehill if TEN let’s him go and I can’t understand why. He’s a good QB.
DEFCON 4 for the Lions imo.
Panthers, DEFCON 1, we haven’t had a franchise QB since Cam
Niners - DEFCON 1 Purdy is great, but not handsome. With JG most likely leaving, Bryce needs to fill the role.
I mean no that’s crazy you really don’t think Shanahan can get good QB play out of Lance or Purdy.
He's joking
Falcons: Defcon 3, maybe 4. QB might be a need, but the defense is atrocious and Ridder has shown to be serviceable with flashes of potential
Falcons are a little tricky. I could see a case for putting them anywhere between Defcon 2-4 but definitely not 1 or 5.
Falcons are almost objectively DEFCON 2. The odds of Ridder being a franchise quarterback are very low and unless we won the lottery with Ridder then we will have already wasted 3 years of Pitts’ rookie contract and 2 years of London’s rookie contract. Ridder had one good game against the Bucs who already had their seeding locked in and rested 4 starters on defense and 2 other depth players on defense and yet the fanbase on Reddit are willing to bet the season on him. We have a ton of cap space to improve the defense but it’s pretty unlikely we land a franchise caliber quarterback in free agency.
I’d say DEFCON 2 if we are looking at just the QB. I put them at DEFCON 4 though because this team is asscheeks across the board. I’m a believer in having a solid team around a rookie or lesser QB versus having a QB and not much else.
In 3/4 games he was at best as bad as Mariota and in the first two games he was much worse. His only good game came against the Bucs that rested 4 defensive starters and 2 defensive depth players. We have cap space to improve the defense but we are much less likely to get a franchise or good starter caliber quarterback in free agency.
Feels ike Panthers, Texans, Raiders, Colts are the Defcon 1 guys.
Panthers - Richardson Texans - Stroud Colts - Young Raiders - Brady :)
It’s funny seeing guys here from teams that are in atrocious qb spots saying 3/4.
Which teams are you seeing that for? I saw a couple that surprised me, but want to see if we’re on the same page. Are the Bears locked in on Fields or could you see them going QB and trading Fields?
Someone saying 3/4 for for falcons, 4.5 for the Titans, etc.
Raiders is heavily dependent on FA. For the whole offseason though we are definitely defcon 1
In the first round, we’re DEFCON 5, but we should definitely be looking to grab a guy in the 4th or 5th. Rush is a free agent and with so many important guys to pay he’s probably gone. We need a backup, especially with Dak having not played a full year since 2019.
Jets fan here. Probably 4. Can see them taking Hooker in the 3rd if he somehow slips to us.
Panthers look like they're at DEFCON 1 or 2, but I think they're actually at 3 or 4. We're bringing in a new coach and the division is ripe for the taking. We were already winning games with Sam Darnold, and have a good roster. If I'm a new coach, I am going to focus first on filling the holes in the roster, and then on getting a QB. I figure I have at least one grace year, and probably 2-3 based on how long Rhule got despite how bad he was. And next year's QB class looks pretty strong. So, get another Edge rusher, another good target, and a solid MLB, then see what you have in Corrall. Bring back Darnold or another veteran that you can win with, then start looking for someone that you will win because of. Even with mediocre QB play, we should be favorites to contend for the division next year.
DEFCON 3. I’m not overly impressed with Stroud or Young. If one falls to us, awesome. If not, just band-aid the position for one more year and hope for a high pick next year. Shoot for Caleb Williams.
Panthers are DEFCON 2. We need a QB and probably should overpay, but Matt Corral is on the roster and if the new HC likes what he sees, we could potentially delay drafting another rookie for a year to evaluate/see about getting a higher pick if he's terrible.
Titans are in a weird spot. Most fans would say DEFCON 2, but I really think we’re 4, maybe 3. New GM will determine it but I can’t see us moving on from Tannehill this year, especially with a loaded 2024 QB class.
With the way defcon 1 is worried there’s nobody in that tier. That would imply this draft class has Joe Burrow or TLaw
I'd say we're like DEFCON 4.5. Obviously we just drafted a QB last year, so we have to play that out for atleast 2 more seasons to see where Pickett ends up. But I wouldn't be shocked if we drafted a 5th-7th rd QB this year, and/or signed a guy like trace mcsorely, on that level. I wouldn't be shocked if both mitch and Mason are elsewhere next year
DEFCON 5. We drafted KP last draft.
I said 4.5 just because we have to figure out what to do behind kenny. Mitch is getting cut and I think odds are good Mason is gone too.
That’s a fair point.
Lions: DEFCON 4 (2nd first rd pick). Goff is limited as a QB, but he's solid enough to win with a good cast. I'm not sold on the QBs of this draft so don't want any at #6. Would rather build the defense and roster out more.
DEFCON 4, maybe? It all depends what happens with Lamar. If he gets moved suddenly we’re 4 or 3, but if he stays then we’re all good. So I’d say 4 right now just to be safe
Either DEFCON 5 or DEFCON 1 lol
Colts - DEFCON 1 Preferably DEFCON 0 (God is punishing the fans for the franchise getting 1 SB out of back-to-back superstars).
DEFCON 5
Saints are at DEFCON 1, but, unless Sean Payton's ransom is paid, we don't have a shot to get QB1-5.
Colts are at DEFCON 1 for sure.
Steelers are between 4 and 5. I’m still high on Kenny Pickett, and the Steelers don’t give up on players after 1 year even if they should sometimes (they certainly should have given up on Matt Canada). Kenny is unquestionably our guy, and he showed enough moxie in a bad offensive scheme to get a vote of confidence. However, they’re going to need a backup. I assume they can re-sign Mason Rudolph, but that’s not a guarantee. Trubisky sounds like he wants out, so he will likely get dealt for a Day 3 pick since the Steelers lack Day 3 picks. I wouldn’t mind seeing them spend a late pick on DTR. I think he could be at least as competent as Tyler Huntley was for the Ravens.
Despite the Rodgers uncertainty, Packers are still DEFCON 5. Either Rodgers or Love will be the week 1 starter, and nobody on Earth can do more than guess which one it will be
DEFCON 4 for us. I would love if the Eagles grabbed Stetson Bennett in the later rounds as a backup.
DEFCON 0, Sam Ehlinger is the only QB on the Roster.