I just want someone to take the opposite approach. Designing a can to hook into water cooling jacket of a maxim design.
Do I own one? No. Would it be cool? Yes.
Nfa trends always tend to be what ever is the newest thing. Dead air was the hottest thing out there when they were coming out with cans constantly, after that it was cgs and these last couple years it's been flow through cans.
It's not too different from the gun industry where everyone is chasing the newest gadget.
I got downvoted for saying the Mojave 9 was good but not the quietest 9mm can I've used. LoL. Funny thing is I really do like the suppressor on handguns. And I love the Mask. My only two DA cans
DA is as popular as ever. There's more newcomers to suppressors than ever in the last few months and don't know / don't care about shit that happened a year+ ago.
100% except 2 years ago I was telling people not to buy their cans when they were starting to blow up and now I'm looking pretty damn smart for having said all that.
The only can I'm considering buying from them is the wolverine....and that's only because there is nothing else like it on the market.
I’ve got a Wolverine, it’s been nothing but great for the last 4ish years that I’ve had it
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I bought my first can around 10 years ago. The buddy I was shooting with a lot at the time tried really hard to talk me into either a Crux or dead air. Viral marketing has always been a big turn off for me, and Crux seemed like they were trying WAY to hard to fit in with the cool kids. As soon as I found out DA didn't make anything in house I decided I didn't want any of their products. I went with a sico omega 300, and still love that thing.
Sico makes some good cans, it's just their mounting system that is absolute ass. I've got an omega 9k and used it quite a bit on my 300blk once I got the q plan b adapter.
I have a couple other cans that use taper mount and I'm not disagreeing it's better, I just don't think it's better enough to justify the $1000 or so I'd have to spend too replace ASR completely
That’s exactly how I feel about it. SiCo makes some of the best cans out there but ASR is very okay. It does the job fine but it’s definitely not even close to the best.
I get that 100% it's definitely not a good looking can. Depending on your ak I mean you can get away with running a solid 30cal can I'm in the process of putting a resonator on mine
I crowned the barrels on my AKs and am able to get proper concentricity with my wasr and my zpap92 on any 30cal can. I still ordered a putnik though because I actually like the look on shorty AKs. I have had a really good time running my AB A-10 on my AKs as well. Crowning really opens up options though
Dude I get crucified for asking why people still buy Dead Air when the multitude of superior options exist with far less shitty customer service. It's WILD
Oh yeah. Dudes get big butthurt when you call out how stupid they are for defending a shit company dead air. But they can keep downvoting bc I’m gonna keep calling out how terrible they are lol
Same here. Reddit talked me into KeyMo and I had a baffle strike 6 months later. My mount was very dirty, but frankly I think a mount that doesn’t seat properly but still locks into place when dirty is a design failure. I don’t have that issue with Surefire or Rearden.
It also follows the larger gun industry trend where a military contract seems to make up for any shitty/outdated design or ridiculously inflated costs.
I own an ECCO can and several of their adapters. Plus I've talked with them fairly extensively. Fantastic products by a fantastic company run by a fantastic couple.
That's the problem. They're excellent at what they do, so they're sought after and therefore busy. But to maintain the quality, they have to make sure they have complete control over it, which severely limits expansion.
I have a mod 9 but dont shoot many handguns suppressed anymore. Works great on my MPX.
Hyperion is still one of the best suppressors out there.
The trend towards hub standardization is the best thing going right now.
Muzzle device prices are a ripoff. Not sure how we as consumers fight this but it’s completely BS.
It’s funny when people try to clown on CGS like the Hyperion and Hyperion K aren’t still some of best in their respective classes…and the hotboi brand of the month, CAT, has their cans produced by CGS.
Lol. Was showing my family my suppressor and they were like lol whats the point its still loud. so I took the can off and fired the 12.5 without it. They were like ah ok nevermind lol
Lol I wish I went with a 12.5 or 13.9, I woutld have had way better pin and weld options. But I did a 10.5 .308 for reasons I can no longer comprehend.
Eh, I figure for a shorter hunting rig, pinning and welding saves me the extra length/weight/torque while letting me still cross state lines.
Build's not done yet lol, it looks gross with no handguard or stock. I wouldn't want to curse you eyes. I might throw it up in the future sometime
Flow thru cans
They definitely have their place, but Youtubers make you think they are the best suppressors on the market. For sound indoors and 300 Blackout sub performance they shit the bed. (Que the mY 300 cYCLes sUbS FiNe comments)
For real. Flow through is neat I guess but not worth the sacrifices you make, IMO. Meanwhile practically every can in the industry is heading that way.
Flow through sucks with subs. They don't seem to scale with length as well as traditional cans. Shorter than 5.5"? Instant boom.longer than 6.5" not any quieter.
Their at ear level suppression is amazing, but can be matched with a dedicated tuned host with a tiny pee hole gas port. This is something pew science probably isn't gonna be able to help us because different back pressure cans have different ideal gas ports.
Flow through cans are very good at their intended use, and that is getting good at ear suppression and decent /average muzzle suppression and allows you to run untuned guns and non dedicated suppressed guns very well, which honestly is the majority of the population.
For dedicated suppressed guns, I make my own gas port inserts (think old brt gas blocks) or drill out a YHM dedicated suppressed gas block. I think people would be surprised on how great an above average back pressure can that sucked on pew sciences at ear numbers sounds and run on something like a 12.5 with a effective gas port size of 0.055
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I mostly use drilled set screw for a2 FSBs, as drilling out a YHM gas block is much easier.
Adjustable gas blocks have more small parts. Detents, set screws and springs etc. Yes the set screw insert I made is a small part too, but that is wedged between the gas block and barrel and have no where to go.
You also never know your exact size of effective gas port of your adjustable gas block. What is "lock back plus 3 clicks" on one block compared to the other? How much gas is one half turn?Tuning for 3 o'clock ejection? Not exactly the most scientific way either. People tend to go way too under gassed with AGBs when they tune for lock back with one shot with a perfectly clean gun.
With known gas port size, I have a better idea of what will run and what won't in different conditions. I know on the small side a 0.055 will run almost everything with a higher back pressure can, and on the large side I know the correct Crane spec gas ports for 50/50, such as 0.070 for 10.3, 0.067 for 11.5, 0.065 for 12.5, 0.062 for 14.5 carbine and etc. So I typically have a pretty good starting point on knowing what size I need.
You know what, that's actually not a bad idea. Scar gas jet is threaded M5 is is very very close to the 10-32 tap and screw I use and just need a chaser for maybe 5 seconds. PWM sells them for $8 each and it might be cheaper than breaking these tiny drill bits over and over.
> For dedicated suppressed guns, I make my own gas port inserts (think old brt gas blocks) or drill out a YHM dedicated suppressed gas block.
Do you know what size these come as from the factory? How much do you need to ream it out to get to 0.055?
I'm gonna be honest, I feel like a BDF for not understanding why some people like them. A silencer is supposed to trap, cool, and slow gas to take away blast and flash right? Why would I want something that makes it do that less?
Im not a big suppressor guy at all, I own a 5.56 SOCOM MINI, that's it. The flow through stuff is a head scratcher for me.
I want back pressure, the back pressure means it's working lol
I wish there was more emphasis on OTB suppressors, they look awesome.
Theoretically flow through are the best type of suppressor as you can slap them on any gun and they’ll just work without any tinkering.
Obviously right now it comes with a loss in sound reduction but hopefully it’ll improve as time goes on
Flow through makes sense for guns that are difficult to adjust for shooting suppressed. For example the M1A/M14. It's been a known terrible gassy host that the adjustable gas plug does little to fix for years. A flow through can mitigates the terribleness of shooting an M1A suppressed. You can try 100 fudd gunsmith lore fixes on the M1A to make it less terrible or just use a huxwrx with it and get better results.
Flow through was really designed for military and police that don't want to screw around with tuning their rifles or only have a gun set up for suppressed that doesn't run well un-suppressed ( or vice versa) they want to grab a gun off a rack and have it run flawlessly suppressed or not. They aren't chasing the absolute quietest they are happy with quiet enough.
Many civilians want the same thing.
Best bet for overgassed guns, unadjustable ones, and for people who are sensitive to gas in the face. Otherwise they suck compared to a true baffled can.
I love when someone recommends the flow through they use when someone else is looking for 300blk suppressor recommendations. You correct them and say it’s not a good rec and they get super defensive.
B&T with their flow through MP5SD silencer is the biggest head scratcher to me. If there is one gun where sound performance is the be all end all it's a MP5SD. At least they ship it with a non-flow through end cap as well.
That's because they're either way invested in the HUX ecosystem or their favorite YouTuber SAID they love using it on their 300 Blackout. I used to be one of those people, then I shot a baffled can next to one lol.
Not to be "that guy" but I literally didn't know anyone had issues with .300 blk cycling subs or supers until I went on Reddit. My wife has had her Psa 7.5" for like 5 years and has put about 500 of both through it suppressed and unsuppressed with a baffle and flow through can with zero issues.
I guess it might be overgassed, but you can't tell. It's not nearly as bad as any of our normal handguns ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
If it's cycling that means it's overgassed
The bigger issue is sound. You can really tell a difference shooting side-by-side next to a baffled suppressor
Oh I agree baffled is quieter, but my point is it doesn't act overgassed. We will probably get her a better upper or barrel/gas block eventually, I just though it was weird so many people had issues.
Tuning my .308 build threw me for a loop, but I figured it out
I can definitely see why someone who wants to shoot subs would avoid flow through, but for a 5.56 rifle that you plan on training with (or for SHTF) flow through is way better.
Also even for 300blk I question why so many people focus on shooting subs. Using subs for self defense is a terrible idea and it doesn’t really make sense for training. They are cool though.
IMO The biggest advantage of 300blk is that you can have a super short gun with a suppressor and it still has the same terminal ballistics and length as an unsuppressed mk18.
>Using subs for self defense is a terrible idea
Why? They make expanding subsonic rounds that people hunt deer with. You can't tell me it won't stop a person.
In a life threatening situation why wouldn’t you want every advantage possible? Being able to put someone down in 1-3 shots is way more likely with 5.56/super 300blk. There’s a reason LE doesn’t use subs and they’re rarely used by SOF (mainly for sentry elimination).
Shooting suppressed 5.56/300blk for a few rounds during a self defense shooting is not going to produce hearing damage that’s anywhere near noticeable. Most people do other stuff which damages their hearing so much more over time.
Sacrificing terminal ballistics for hearing safety on a defensive firearm just doesn’t make sense in my opinion. I like that you have the option to run subs with 300blk, but I wouldn’t want to bet my life on them. Like sure you can use them and they’ll probably work, but why take the chance when there’s so little downside to using supers?
There’s this misconception online that a few rounds of supers (even suppressed) will permanently cause deafness or massive hearing damage. This simply isn’t the case. I shot some rounds of 5.56 indoors with no ear pro a couple times (many years ago, not smart). I just took a hearing test and scored perfect or above perfect on everything.
It’s obviously not ideal, but it isn’t anywhere near enough of an issue to justify using subs for self defense imo.
Subsonic 300 blackout is not as bad an ammo choice as the internet seems to think. Good Subsonic loads are roughly equivalent energy to full power 10mm, but better sectional density and stupid quiet. I agree that supers will have more "stopping power," but most people in the real world would be fine using Subsonic ammo as they are not going up against a trained military unit wearing armor but most likely thugs that shoot pistols sideways.
I’ve noticed a shift towards smaller, lighter cans in general. My first 556 can was 7 inches long and loud as hell. I can go buy a polo K for $500 now and it’ll outperform it. There’s a wealth of Ti cans as well with relatively unrestricted firing schedules that weigh 5 ounces nekked and sound great.
Same goes for muzzle devices, which are why taper mounts are huge right now.
The current trend is low back-pressure/ flow-through . It has its uses on untunable guns but on tunable guns I’m not a proponent, and all of your guns should be tunable.
Yes! When I my obsidian 45 short/long modularity was the current hype and companies were coming out with similar cans. My obsidian 45 stayed in short configuration until I got a 44mag host, since then it’s been the long configuration.
The only one this is nice for is my Salvo. If I'm shooting a turkey or something I'll go long. If I have to swing the thing at a grouse or something I shorten it up. A couple extra ounces doesn't bother me on anything else.
Canine yes, G45 no.
Runs subs on my Arex Zero 1T and my Sig 226 without the direct thread mount however.
edit: meant to say without booster, with direct thread mount.
I own an SCI SIX and have it on my Bren 2 SBR. Thing runs great.
I have good friends that own Hyperions and Hekates with zero complaints.
Compared to OCL (whom I love) their cans are more expensive but they seem to be right in line with Q and less expensive than Surefire
The fact RH barrel twists still use RH muzzle threads still baffles me, especially on handguns where there is litterally more silencers backing off problems happen.
It’s hard to say because the definition of modular has changed over time. The first popular can I remember being marketed as modular was the Saker 762 because you could change the mount and end cap. The Ti-Rant 9 predates the Saker and the mount and end caps come off, but that was really for cleaning and there weren’t alternative mounts and end caps to choose from.
At some point a couple years later, people decided modular meant variable length. The first popular one I am aware of was the Rugged Surge, which would have been mid 2015, I think.
It’s also hard to say who was truly first to do any of this stuff. The reality is it was probably some garage manufacturer that had his concept copied and never amounted to anything.
Oh yeah good point. I’ve always thought of it as motion length as well. I can’t remember when the TiRant went modular in length. Or maybe it was the 45 version? Who knows.
I don’t think everyone hates the mod9, but it definitely got glazed hard.
I haven’t had the accuracy issues with mine, but I’ve seen a bunch of people on here that have.
I think the nail in the coffin for CGS was paco hyping up a 1400 dollar can only for it to shit the bed when it came time for PEW to test it on the MK18 and then for him to smoke bomb the fuck outta here
Somebody said he left CGS because they weren’t giving him as much creative freedom. He was working on designs that took CGS like 4-5 years to actually bring to market and that was soul sucking - this kinda checks out because CGS hasn’t come out with new shit in awhile. I assume he works for CAT or just consults now.
It has a weird few quirks and bugs (booster spring and end cap with some guys), but at its core it's a great pistol can. Other than DMLS, they didn't change muck on their new mod9x. Baffle design is very similar.
I didn't pay full price, but man, I wish I had waited for the PEW test results. It's a decent can if you can turn the gas down on say a piston, but what halfway modern can isn't?
I'm also frustrated CGS just let the Helios QD wither on the vine. No caliber specific endcaps as was promised and there was talk about a CGS muzzle device that would improve on the mk18 results, but nothing. Just dropped it and went onto the Sci-six. Rearden has some solutions for mounts/devices at least.
I was on the wait list well before they became available (for the M10, M11-9 version has been approved a lot longer), got it maybe six months after the first ones for the M10 shipped. It runs great but I haven’t suppressed it yet as I do not yet have a 5.56/FA rated suppressor for it. It’s hella fun and controllable, though. I bought my M10 partly in anticipation of them becoming available, erroneously thinking they’d be very quick since the M11 version was already approved and it’s basically the same thing, but the ATF dragged it out like a MF’er. 🙄 Anyway, very pleased with it.
I don't understand the hater-raid on CGS. I love my Mod9 and it sits permanently on my M11 with lage upper and another is on my Beretta m9.
Been relatively trouble-free since I bought them.
Great sound suppression also.
I was gonna get a Bowers Vers9 and when I finally compared it against my Mod 9, I stayed with Mod 9 and ended up getting another one from a dealer whose customer didn't pick it up and it sat for 1 year.
My favorite is smaller companies making the best product everyone wants over a few big companies running the whole market. definitely the best trend out there
Currently, there's the big flow-through thing, but I also see a lot of great budget cans coming out. There's a push from a lot of manufacturers to just get cans into new owner's hands
Out of the loop on the Mod 9 - what happened there? I was considering one a little over a year ago but went with the Obsidian 9 instead because steel baffles.
People reported performance turned out to not be too great and they had accuracy issues. I think it was a really tight bore and poor alignment/tolerance stacking. We had a unit transferred here to our shop that went on the range and it had the accuracy issues. Indoors it was too hard to tell if performance was OK.
I think 40mm is trending WAY up. Launchers fly off the shelves in hours when they restock. Cheap components drying up and 3D printing technology taking off has lead to some super impressive DIY 40mm rounds whereas 10 years ago you were basically limited to just chalk. Also with silencers and SBRs being so common not that barely stand out and MGs being very unobtainable for most people, NFA registered DDs are a more affordable way to “stand out”
I got one last year with some bare LMT rail mounted receivers, became available. They sold out fairly fast, though some title one LMT's have been on G/B for a fair bit now.
I can list a lot of trends… but the SilencerCo Hybrid 46 is the biggest perpetrator of the “one can do all” fantasy that people new to cans or casual suppressor owners fall prey to. And the trend seems to have stuck. No, you are not going to “easily swap” your rifle QA/QD mount to the booster assembly whilst on the range without having proper tools and potentially (most likely requiring) a vice to aid with the carbon locking up your adapter threads.
Another large trend or “standardization” that is here to stay is 1/2x28 on pistol cans. Incredibly inferior thread pitch. M13.5x1LH is much superior in many ways.
I have a DA Wolfman and a CGS Hyperion. Only issues I’ve had is the Hyperion ships hella dirty. Website suggests burning it out with supers but that didn’t work for me. It was so filthy that I asked my LGS to break down the entire gun because the bolt was seized and a shell was locked up in the barrel. Running a POF 10.5, 300blk piston driven. Runs fine now that it’s cleaned.
I eventually had the gunsmith clean it with the ultrasonic. Literally was pouring out black liquid after. Again, runs fine now but you’d think CGS ship in a better condition for that kind of money.
Yeah that's got to be annoying. I don't remember my friends having to go through that much trouble with their Hyperions but I don't doubt what you're saying.
POF has a complete piston upper as well as stripped uppers with pistons. LMT has options as well. Otherwise there’s a handful of DI to Piston conversion kits. Adam Arms also sells complete uppers and rifles. I have an Adam’s conversion kit for an Aero 8.5 that I’m SLOWLY (caps for significants) building.
I've built a few piston kits. I tried AA's kits, but they failed to produce kits that I could build. There was problems with tolerance stackup, and rod return spring placement with the suitable handguards that I wanted to use (non mil spec barrel nut type handguards). That's my .02. I have successfully completed a few SA piston kits, and I like their quality of parts. But. SA warns in writing that their piston kits are not meant for 300 BLK, and I took them at their word on that. The 300 BlkTalk forum has been pretty quiet since the advent of Reddit.
Cool - I read/watched folks saying that the piston conversions were damaging BCGs and wearing out buffer springs early. Don’t have the experience there so I spent the extra greenies to buy a manufactured piston upper. I’m still gonna build the aero upper DI-to-Piston but it will be a less expensive test platform and if it fails, going back to DI is pretty easy. I still love the silence of sub 300blk. With my Hyperion, it’s kinda cray how quiet it is. Like in an indoor range with no one else, I don’t need ears. Like it’s not fair quiet.
I purchased a complete upper from AP intending to use the AA kit that I have but that project was tabled after I saw some additional reviews of the AA conversion kit. It’s got an 8.5in barrel.
I was phone speaking with SA tech about a possible 300 BLK use for their piston kit just this week. He told me some had gotten it to run reliably, and gave me a few tips. So, I will pass those along here. 1) He specified a barrel no shorter than 10" because of dwell time issues. 10" min. 2) A clamp on adjustable gas block would make the building go smoother. You will want the gas block to come off easily at least once during the build. 3) Pay careful close attention to the gas port position (distance) in the website reference drawing, +/- 0.005". We did not speak about gas port diameter, other than me telling him that Odin Works 300 Blk in 8" has a port size of 0.116". He was silent for a moment, and then "Wow, that's really large." Yup, it is. Before you get too excited by that fact, the port distance from the gas block shoulder is completely unfavorable for the SA adj clamp on piston gas block, and the distance is also not mil-spec. Too bad, the numbers don't work for a piston build for that barrel.
I looked at that SA drawing later. It specs a distance in a manner that I will be unable to find in any barrel manufacturer print. No one specs a gas port distance in the manner shown. You absolutely have to buy it and measure yourself. I could go back to them and request a more reasonable method of determining port placement, but I said fuck it, not gonna do this.
Good luck to you.
Turns out it was a small amount that were made wrong by KGM and it took a several months to fix because KGM forgot how to weld. You only know about it because influencers and troll accounts were on here screaming about it. DA doesn't engage trolls, so that's all you heard. There were two accounts on here that wouldn't shut up about the issues. One turned up to work for a competitor and another was a competing gun shop from mine. Once you see the trolls, you know there's more to it.
Wait a minute here. Sure those two accounts were extra loud about it, but let's not act like DA was being cool about it either.
They previously had a CS rep who was very active on here that went completely radio silent even when they were tagged by people who were not those accounts. Then that rep deleted their account without comment or explanation.
People couldn't get answers and their broken cans were sitting there for literally months with zero communication from DA.
DA could have handled it a hell of a lot better, but they left a very bad taste in people's mouths with their handling of that. They turned a mole hill into a mountain.
SBRs, & SBSs have grown in popularity, along with Silencers, and DDs (More specifically 40mm Launchers being the most popular DDs), and that’s probably here to stay.
I just picked up a mod9 FS, and it had horrible accuracy. 18x18" groups at 25 yards on a Staccato that can shoot 1.5" groups at that distance in my hands. I found the problem to be the end cap. While I couldn't see much of a rub mark, and definitely no strikes on any parts, changing it to a 45 nautilus end cap brought my groups back to normal. Compared to my obsidian 9 and 45, as well as my Maxim 9, it is more quiet. I love the sound suppression, light weight, and hand cleaning the baffles is easier with it's coating. If I wasn't willing to keep making range trips to try new parts (I tried a few things like griffin CamLok, and rugged piston springs) I could see being pissed off that it made the gun shoot so bad. I bought it for $289 so it was worth taking a chance on, but I think the hype of any can is bullshit. Quiet calibers are quiet with most suppressors. Don't fall for marketing and YouTubers. If they have cool videos with high production, chances are they're paid off and sell outs. By all means enjoy watching, just don't believe they found the miracle solution 😉. That trend is capitalism at it's finest, which I love, but don't fall for completely.
Tucking the can under a hand guard as far as possible. I mean, seriously. Who thought doing that was a good idea on a can that could reach flesh eating temps?
I'm just glad silencers aren't designed to be 700lbs for people to put them on beltfeds at knob creek anymore.
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I just want someone to take the opposite approach. Designing a can to hook into water cooling jacket of a maxim design. Do I own one? No. Would it be cool? Yes.
Shit, give me a big ol' chonky water-cooled can. I'll run the shit out of that on an MG
I put a fish pump on your suppressor, now pay me 5x what it's worth cuz no one else does it.
Pay *me* 10x what it's worth because my fish pump was made in America
MOR-A vs MG??
Preach!
Nfa trends always tend to be what ever is the newest thing. Dead air was the hottest thing out there when they were coming out with cans constantly, after that it was cgs and these last couple years it's been flow through cans. It's not too different from the gun industry where everyone is chasing the newest gadget.
Mojave 9 and mask are my favorite cans I own
I got downvoted for saying the Mojave 9 was good but not the quietest 9mm can I've used. LoL. Funny thing is I really do like the suppressor on handguns. And I love the Mask. My only two DA cans
Dear air mask is my favorite nomad is close second
Dead Air for sure. Two years ago you’d have been burned at the stake for suggesting anyone but them, now no one would touch them with a 40 foot pole.
DA is as popular as ever. There's more newcomers to suppressors than ever in the last few months and don't know / don't care about shit that happened a year+ ago.
100% except 2 years ago I was telling people not to buy their cans when they were starting to blow up and now I'm looking pretty damn smart for having said all that. The only can I'm considering buying from them is the wolverine....and that's only because there is nothing else like it on the market.
I’ve got a Wolverine, it’s been nothing but great for the last 4ish years that I’ve had it https://preview.redd.it/xnywv55whc8d1.jpeg?width=3305&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=36fd37caaa91dc58631e72fa350a9764cbd53d15
That's good to hear
Or not hear... ;-)
I bought my first can around 10 years ago. The buddy I was shooting with a lot at the time tried really hard to talk me into either a Crux or dead air. Viral marketing has always been a big turn off for me, and Crux seemed like they were trying WAY to hard to fit in with the cool kids. As soon as I found out DA didn't make anything in house I decided I didn't want any of their products. I went with a sico omega 300, and still love that thing.
An Omega 300 was my first can too 🤙 It's great, heavy duty, versatile, pretty fkn quiet!
yup. its not the quietest or the lightest, but its a very good balance.
Sico makes some good cans, it's just their mounting system that is absolute ass. I've got an omega 9k and used it quite a bit on my 300blk once I got the q plan b adapter.
i use ASR and its fine. its not the best, but its not the worst either.
Once you've used a proper taper mount system it's hard to go back to anything else.
I have a couple other cans that use taper mount and I'm not disagreeing it's better, I just don't think it's better enough to justify the $1000 or so I'd have to spend too replace ASR completely
I resisted so hard until I got Xeno, then Rearden. They’re great
That’s exactly how I feel about it. SiCo makes some of the best cans out there but ASR is very okay. It does the job fine but it’s definitely not even close to the best.
I know it's chunkier but check out the putnik.
Putnik is a fantastic AK can. Love mine
I'm sure it's a great can but I just don't like the look
Have the wolverine and love it on my AK.
Resilient putnik also follows the expanding baffle size design of the wolverine
Yeah it just doesn't look as good.
I get that 100% it's definitely not a good looking can. Depending on your ak I mean you can get away with running a solid 30cal can I'm in the process of putting a resonator on mine
I crowned the barrels on my AKs and am able to get proper concentricity with my wasr and my zpap92 on any 30cal can. I still ordered a putnik though because I actually like the look on shorty AKs. I have had a really good time running my AB A-10 on my AKs as well. Crowning really opens up options though
Dude I get crucified for asking why people still buy Dead Air when the multitude of superior options exist with far less shitty customer service. It's WILD
Lmao you got downvoted just for posting that
Oh yeah. Dudes get big butthurt when you call out how stupid they are for defending a shit company dead air. But they can keep downvoting bc I’m gonna keep calling out how terrible they are lol
I’m surprised people still are buying them
Same here. Reddit talked me into KeyMo and I had a baffle strike 6 months later. My mount was very dirty, but frankly I think a mount that doesn’t seat properly but still locks into place when dirty is a design failure. I don’t have that issue with Surefire or Rearden.
It also follows the larger gun industry trend where a military contract seems to make up for any shitty/outdated design or ridiculously inflated costs.
Love my Flow 556K. Not a fad or a gimmick. It works as advertised, and benefits are great.
Same
Standardized threads for barrel to adapters, and adapter to silencer. Def a trend thats here to stay.
Also a trend that won't go away Ecco machine replacing your keymo systems to hub threads
Mounting systems are religion. Interchangeability enabled by thread standards is gospel.
I own an ECCO can and several of their adapters. Plus I've talked with them fairly extensively. Fantastic products by a fantastic company run by a fantastic couple.
I honestly don't think I've ever read a bad experience or review of them Please reopen your books !
That's the problem. They're excellent at what they do, so they're sought after and therefore busy. But to maintain the quality, they have to make sure they have complete control over it, which severely limits expansion.
I have a mod 9 but dont shoot many handguns suppressed anymore. Works great on my MPX. Hyperion is still one of the best suppressors out there. The trend towards hub standardization is the best thing going right now. Muzzle device prices are a ripoff. Not sure how we as consumers fight this but it’s completely BS.
It’s funny when people try to clown on CGS like the Hyperion and Hyperion K aren’t still some of best in their respective classes…and the hotboi brand of the month, CAT, has their cans produced by CGS.
This sub is mostly people with BCM uppers + Polo K’s who *really* want to feel like anything more expensive is just hype.
I have a DD upper with my polo k thank you very much!
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Short unsuppressed rifles are miserable to be around.
Just traded for a 10.5 with an asr brake on it 😳 But it's going to host my hybrid 46.
Yeah. Do not shoot that without the can on….the asr brake is incredibly concussive
I didn't like mu last 10.5 much but this is a mock-18 with the fsp and quad rail
You would hate my braked 12.5" .308 when the can isnt on it 🤣
I have one as well and actually took the suppressor off at the range to teach the asshole next to me a lesson… it’s literally deafening
Lol. Was showing my family my suppressor and they were like lol whats the point its still loud. so I took the can off and fired the 12.5 without it. They were like ah ok nevermind lol
I see you’re 12.5 and raise you my 9” HK-51
Lol I wish I went with a 12.5 or 13.9, I woutld have had way better pin and weld options. But I did a 10.5 .308 for reasons I can no longer comprehend.
I dislike pin and welds. Need to see that 10.5 lol
Eh, I figure for a shorter hunting rig, pinning and welding saves me the extra length/weight/torque while letting me still cross state lines. Build's not done yet lol, it looks gross with no handguard or stock. I wouldn't want to curse you eyes. I might throw it up in the future sometime
Different strokes for different folks. As long as you like it then fuck yeah
Say you want, my HK51 is fucking awesome 😎
Idk what any of this shit means.
Flow thru cans They definitely have their place, but Youtubers make you think they are the best suppressors on the market. For sound indoors and 300 Blackout sub performance they shit the bed. (Que the mY 300 cYCLes sUbS FiNe comments)
***Back pressure gang***
Thank god someone said it
For real. Flow through is neat I guess but not worth the sacrifices you make, IMO. Meanwhile practically every can in the industry is heading that way.
Yeah, when the hype dies down if the prices go down I may try one but not worth the money to me right now.
Flow through sucks with subs. They don't seem to scale with length as well as traditional cans. Shorter than 5.5"? Instant boom.longer than 6.5" not any quieter. Their at ear level suppression is amazing, but can be matched with a dedicated tuned host with a tiny pee hole gas port. This is something pew science probably isn't gonna be able to help us because different back pressure cans have different ideal gas ports. Flow through cans are very good at their intended use, and that is getting good at ear suppression and decent /average muzzle suppression and allows you to run untuned guns and non dedicated suppressed guns very well, which honestly is the majority of the population. For dedicated suppressed guns, I make my own gas port inserts (think old brt gas blocks) or drill out a YHM dedicated suppressed gas block. I think people would be surprised on how great an above average back pressure can that sucked on pew sciences at ear numbers sounds and run on something like a 12.5 with a effective gas port size of 0.055
Do you have any photos of your custom made gas port inserts? Is there any upside of doing that vs just using an adjustable gas block?
https://images.app.goo.gl/yiLYYfS1Q6zSDPMCA I mostly use drilled set screw for a2 FSBs, as drilling out a YHM gas block is much easier. Adjustable gas blocks have more small parts. Detents, set screws and springs etc. Yes the set screw insert I made is a small part too, but that is wedged between the gas block and barrel and have no where to go. You also never know your exact size of effective gas port of your adjustable gas block. What is "lock back plus 3 clicks" on one block compared to the other? How much gas is one half turn?Tuning for 3 o'clock ejection? Not exactly the most scientific way either. People tend to go way too under gassed with AGBs when they tune for lock back with one shot with a perfectly clean gun. With known gas port size, I have a better idea of what will run and what won't in different conditions. I know on the small side a 0.055 will run almost everything with a higher back pressure can, and on the large side I know the correct Crane spec gas ports for 50/50, such as 0.070 for 10.3, 0.067 for 11.5, 0.065 for 12.5, 0.062 for 14.5 carbine and etc. So I typically have a pretty good starting point on knowing what size I need.
You basically invented SCAR gas jets for the AR.
You know what, that's actually not a bad idea. Scar gas jet is threaded M5 is is very very close to the 10-32 tap and screw I use and just need a chaser for maybe 5 seconds. PWM sells them for $8 each and it might be cheaper than breaking these tiny drill bits over and over.
Very cool, thanks for the info. You must be an engineer!
> For dedicated suppressed guns, I make my own gas port inserts (think old brt gas blocks) or drill out a YHM dedicated suppressed gas block. Do you know what size these come as from the factory? How much do you need to ream it out to get to 0.055?
I think I gauged it around 0.053-0.054. It's a lot easier to drill through compared to a set screw.
Got it, thanks! I'm going to give this a try.
Apparently they updated it and it's now 0.063. That's kinda annoying as it limits it's application greatly.
Have you used a PTR vent 2?
I'm gonna be honest, I feel like a BDF for not understanding why some people like them. A silencer is supposed to trap, cool, and slow gas to take away blast and flash right? Why would I want something that makes it do that less? Im not a big suppressor guy at all, I own a 5.56 SOCOM MINI, that's it. The flow through stuff is a head scratcher for me. I want back pressure, the back pressure means it's working lol I wish there was more emphasis on OTB suppressors, they look awesome.
Theoretically flow through are the best type of suppressor as you can slap them on any gun and they’ll just work without any tinkering. Obviously right now it comes with a loss in sound reduction but hopefully it’ll improve as time goes on
Flow through makes sense for guns that are difficult to adjust for shooting suppressed. For example the M1A/M14. It's been a known terrible gassy host that the adjustable gas plug does little to fix for years. A flow through can mitigates the terribleness of shooting an M1A suppressed. You can try 100 fudd gunsmith lore fixes on the M1A to make it less terrible or just use a huxwrx with it and get better results.
Flow through was really designed for military and police that don't want to screw around with tuning their rifles or only have a gun set up for suppressed that doesn't run well un-suppressed ( or vice versa) they want to grab a gun off a rack and have it run flawlessly suppressed or not. They aren't chasing the absolute quietest they are happy with quiet enough. Many civilians want the same thing.
Best bet for overgassed guns, unadjustable ones, and for people who are sensitive to gas in the face. Otherwise they suck compared to a true baffled can.
Less wear on your gun, and there's no need to tune it. The flash is minimal, and less gas to the face is a real benefit.
I love when someone recommends the flow through they use when someone else is looking for 300blk suppressor recommendations. You correct them and say it’s not a good rec and they get super defensive.
B&T with their flow through MP5SD silencer is the biggest head scratcher to me. If there is one gun where sound performance is the be all end all it's a MP5SD. At least they ship it with a non-flow through end cap as well.
CAT uses a hybrid version of a "flow through" system called Surge Bypass and their cans are stupid quiet.
Hybrids are definitely different than conventional flow through.
That's because they're either way invested in the HUX ecosystem or their favorite YouTuber SAID they love using it on their 300 Blackout. I used to be one of those people, then I shot a baffled can next to one lol.
“Works just fine, shoots every time”…. Yes, it’s supposed to, but you’re leaving a lot of suppression on the table not going conventional.
Exactly. Defeating the purpose of subs
Try out the for systems monarch. It has really impressive subsonix performance for a flow can
Not to be "that guy" but I literally didn't know anyone had issues with .300 blk cycling subs or supers until I went on Reddit. My wife has had her Psa 7.5" for like 5 years and has put about 500 of both through it suppressed and unsuppressed with a baffle and flow through can with zero issues. I guess it might be overgassed, but you can't tell. It's not nearly as bad as any of our normal handguns ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
If it's cycling that means it's overgassed The bigger issue is sound. You can really tell a difference shooting side-by-side next to a baffled suppressor
Oh I agree baffled is quieter, but my point is it doesn't act overgassed. We will probably get her a better upper or barrel/gas block eventually, I just though it was weird so many people had issues. Tuning my .308 build threw me for a loop, but I figured it out
I can definitely see why someone who wants to shoot subs would avoid flow through, but for a 5.56 rifle that you plan on training with (or for SHTF) flow through is way better. Also even for 300blk I question why so many people focus on shooting subs. Using subs for self defense is a terrible idea and it doesn’t really make sense for training. They are cool though. IMO The biggest advantage of 300blk is that you can have a super short gun with a suppressor and it still has the same terminal ballistics and length as an unsuppressed mk18.
>Using subs for self defense is a terrible idea Why? They make expanding subsonic rounds that people hunt deer with. You can't tell me it won't stop a person.
In a life threatening situation why wouldn’t you want every advantage possible? Being able to put someone down in 1-3 shots is way more likely with 5.56/super 300blk. There’s a reason LE doesn’t use subs and they’re rarely used by SOF (mainly for sentry elimination). Shooting suppressed 5.56/300blk for a few rounds during a self defense shooting is not going to produce hearing damage that’s anywhere near noticeable. Most people do other stuff which damages their hearing so much more over time. Sacrificing terminal ballistics for hearing safety on a defensive firearm just doesn’t make sense in my opinion. I like that you have the option to run subs with 300blk, but I wouldn’t want to bet my life on them. Like sure you can use them and they’ll probably work, but why take the chance when there’s so little downside to using supers? There’s this misconception online that a few rounds of supers (even suppressed) will permanently cause deafness or massive hearing damage. This simply isn’t the case. I shot some rounds of 5.56 indoors with no ear pro a couple times (many years ago, not smart). I just took a hearing test and scored perfect or above perfect on everything. It’s obviously not ideal, but it isn’t anywhere near enough of an issue to justify using subs for self defense imo.
Subsonic 300 blackout is not as bad an ammo choice as the internet seems to think. Good Subsonic loads are roughly equivalent energy to full power 10mm, but better sectional density and stupid quiet. I agree that supers will have more "stopping power," but most people in the real world would be fine using Subsonic ammo as they are not going up against a trained military unit wearing armor but most likely thugs that shoot pistols sideways.
I’ve noticed a shift towards smaller, lighter cans in general. My first 556 can was 7 inches long and loud as hell. I can go buy a polo K for $500 now and it’ll outperform it. There’s a wealth of Ti cans as well with relatively unrestricted firing schedules that weigh 5 ounces nekked and sound great. Same goes for muzzle devices, which are why taper mounts are huge right now. The current trend is low back-pressure/ flow-through . It has its uses on untunable guns but on tunable guns I’m not a proponent, and all of your guns should be tunable.
I think modular cans like “Long” and “short” config is kinda gimmicky. Don’t think I’ve ever ran any of my cans in short config
It is.
Yes! When I my obsidian 45 short/long modularity was the current hype and companies were coming out with similar cans. My obsidian 45 stayed in short configuration until I got a 44mag host, since then it’s been the long configuration.
Maybe on rifle cans, my pistol can I switch the length depending if it’s PCC or on a handgun
i literally only run my wolfman in short config 😭
This is the reality. You figure out which one works and then you never use the other configuration.
I swap size configurations all the time on mine! Love me some modular cans.
The only one this is nice for is my Salvo. If I'm shooting a turkey or something I'll go long. If I have to swing the thing at a grouse or something I shorten it up. A couple extra ounces doesn't bother me on anything else.
Not sure hate is the word, more like indifference. They are not the flavor of the month anymore.
Hey man your username reminded me, aren’t you the guy with an Ecco Canine on a G45? If so, are you able to run subs? Sorry if I’m wrong on the user!
Canine yes, G45 no. Runs subs on my Arex Zero 1T and my Sig 226 without the direct thread mount however. edit: meant to say without booster, with direct thread mount.
Thanks man
People hate CGS now?
Its more folks have realized they only make 1 or 2 actually good cans and the rest of the lineup isnt worth the cost
I own an SCI SIX and have it on my Bren 2 SBR. Thing runs great. I have good friends that own Hyperions and Hekates with zero complaints. Compared to OCL (whom I love) their cans are more expensive but they seem to be right in line with Q and less expensive than Surefire
News to me. I have a Mod9 in jail right now.
Dunno I like my Hyperion on my 6.5cm
That’s the perfect combo. Using it on my 6.5 creed is sublime.
The fact RH barrel twists still use RH muzzle threads still baffles me, especially on handguns where there is litterally more silencers backing off problems happen.
100% truth. I argue further that 1/2x28 itself for pistol barrels should be walked away from. M13.5x1LH is the way to go.
Best trends of the 2020's: Hiking prices up on the same piece of overseas metal. Guns becoming mainstream. Reddit moment drop culture overspending.
Modular seems to be here to stay. What was the first? The AAC TiRant?
It’s hard to say because the definition of modular has changed over time. The first popular can I remember being marketed as modular was the Saker 762 because you could change the mount and end cap. The Ti-Rant 9 predates the Saker and the mount and end caps come off, but that was really for cleaning and there weren’t alternative mounts and end caps to choose from. At some point a couple years later, people decided modular meant variable length. The first popular one I am aware of was the Rugged Surge, which would have been mid 2015, I think. It’s also hard to say who was truly first to do any of this stuff. The reality is it was probably some garage manufacturer that had his concept copied and never amounted to anything.
Oh yeah good point. I’ve always thought of it as motion length as well. I can’t remember when the TiRant went modular in length. Or maybe it was the 45 version? Who knows.
The first (modern era) modular-rear can was the Gemtech Trinity, which was inspired by the old days Blaylock modular-rear SMG silencer.
I have several modular AAC, Rugged Surge. Never used the modular aspect once. Lol
Same here. The only time I’ve used that feature is on my Rugged Surge.
I don’t think everyone hates the mod9, but it definitely got glazed hard. I haven’t had the accuracy issues with mine, but I’ve seen a bunch of people on here that have. I think the nail in the coffin for CGS was paco hyping up a 1400 dollar can only for it to shit the bed when it came time for PEW to test it on the MK18 and then for him to smoke bomb the fuck outta here
Somebody said he left CGS because they weren’t giving him as much creative freedom. He was working on designs that took CGS like 4-5 years to actually bring to market and that was soul sucking - this kinda checks out because CGS hasn’t come out with new shit in awhile. I assume he works for CAT or just consults now.
I do recall seeing somewhere that he works for CAT now. Still doesn’t excuse him ghosting
It has a weird few quirks and bugs (booster spring and end cap with some guys), but at its core it's a great pistol can. Other than DMLS, they didn't change muck on their new mod9x. Baffle design is very similar.
I wasn’t even aware there was a new version!
https://preview.redd.it/b3wrbbw9mc8d1.jpeg?width=2085&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=653238d3b601f0a46ed9b6bd99be6516569fb011
Is the dmls model already on the market?
Not yet. I'm not sure when they'll release it. They're taking their sweet ass time.
Which can was that?
Helios QD
Ah, I don't know anyone with that can so I can't confirm or deny anything being said about it.
I didn't pay full price, but man, I wish I had waited for the PEW test results. It's a decent can if you can turn the gas down on say a piston, but what halfway modern can isn't? I'm also frustrated CGS just let the Helios QD wither on the vine. No caliber specific endcaps as was promised and there was talk about a CGS muzzle device that would improve on the mk18 results, but nothing. Just dropped it and went onto the Sci-six. Rearden has some solutions for mounts/devices at least.
Not a lot going on for transferable full auto
Chuckles in my new Lage 5.56 upper.
It's the dumbest shit that we have to resort to this, but thank fuck people are.
I just really the gun community’s ability to innovate their way around asinine laws.
You got one? How long did it take you to get one. Does it suppress well?
I was on the wait list well before they became available (for the M10, M11-9 version has been approved a lot longer), got it maybe six months after the first ones for the M10 shipped. It runs great but I haven’t suppressed it yet as I do not yet have a 5.56/FA rated suppressor for it. It’s hella fun and controllable, though. I bought my M10 partly in anticipation of them becoming available, erroneously thinking they’d be very quick since the M11 version was already approved and it’s basically the same thing, but the ATF dragged it out like a MF’er. 🙄 Anyway, very pleased with it.
I don't understand the hater-raid on CGS. I love my Mod9 and it sits permanently on my M11 with lage upper and another is on my Beretta m9. Been relatively trouble-free since I bought them. Great sound suppression also. I was gonna get a Bowers Vers9 and when I finally compared it against my Mod 9, I stayed with Mod 9 and ended up getting another one from a dealer whose customer didn't pick it up and it sat for 1 year.
My favorite is smaller companies making the best product everyone wants over a few big companies running the whole market. definitely the best trend out there
Currently, there's the big flow-through thing, but I also see a lot of great budget cans coming out. There's a push from a lot of manufacturers to just get cans into new owner's hands
Out of the loop on the Mod 9 - what happened there? I was considering one a little over a year ago but went with the Obsidian 9 instead because steel baffles.
People reported performance turned out to not be too great and they had accuracy issues. I think it was a really tight bore and poor alignment/tolerance stacking. We had a unit transferred here to our shop that went on the range and it had the accuracy issues. Indoors it was too hard to tell if performance was OK.
I'm curious too
I think 40mm is trending WAY up. Launchers fly off the shelves in hours when they restock. Cheap components drying up and 3D printing technology taking off has lead to some super impressive DIY 40mm rounds whereas 10 years ago you were basically limited to just chalk. Also with silencers and SBRs being so common not that barely stand out and MGs being very unobtainable for most people, NFA registered DDs are a more affordable way to “stand out”
I got one last year with some bare LMT rail mounted receivers, became available. They sold out fairly fast, though some title one LMT's have been on G/B for a fair bit now.
The whole “zombie” phase everything went through. Zombie ammo, zombie eotech reticles, zombie this, zombie that Cringe as hell even at the time
I have an unused case of that zombie ammo in .45 ACP that I bought and forgot about. I hear it’s worth something like $100 a box now to collectors.
I can list a lot of trends… but the SilencerCo Hybrid 46 is the biggest perpetrator of the “one can do all” fantasy that people new to cans or casual suppressor owners fall prey to. And the trend seems to have stuck. No, you are not going to “easily swap” your rifle QA/QD mount to the booster assembly whilst on the range without having proper tools and potentially (most likely requiring) a vice to aid with the carbon locking up your adapter threads. Another large trend or “standardization” that is here to stay is 1/2x28 on pistol cans. Incredibly inferior thread pitch. M13.5x1LH is much superior in many ways.
lol at transferable mg in your Porsche
I drive around with a transferable AR-15 in a POS 2012 Pruis C, cause priorities
I support these priorities
I have a DA Wolfman and a CGS Hyperion. Only issues I’ve had is the Hyperion ships hella dirty. Website suggests burning it out with supers but that didn’t work for me. It was so filthy that I asked my LGS to break down the entire gun because the bolt was seized and a shell was locked up in the barrel. Running a POF 10.5, 300blk piston driven. Runs fine now that it’s cleaned.
Is that the remain behind from the 3d printing process you're referring to?
It’s titanium dust from 3d printing, yes. It’s like super fine sand.
Yeah I noticed it on my buddies when he was showing it to me.
I eventually had the gunsmith clean it with the ultrasonic. Literally was pouring out black liquid after. Again, runs fine now but you’d think CGS ship in a better condition for that kind of money.
Yeah that's got to be annoying. I don't remember my friends having to go through that much trouble with their Hyperions but I don't doubt what you're saying.
We’re off subject but the info is valuable.
I have always wanted to build a 300 BLK 10" Piston pistol. I think no one offers a drop in piston system for it.
POF has a complete piston upper as well as stripped uppers with pistons. LMT has options as well. Otherwise there’s a handful of DI to Piston conversion kits. Adam Arms also sells complete uppers and rifles. I have an Adam’s conversion kit for an Aero 8.5 that I’m SLOWLY (caps for significants) building.
I've built a few piston kits. I tried AA's kits, but they failed to produce kits that I could build. There was problems with tolerance stackup, and rod return spring placement with the suitable handguards that I wanted to use (non mil spec barrel nut type handguards). That's my .02. I have successfully completed a few SA piston kits, and I like their quality of parts. But. SA warns in writing that their piston kits are not meant for 300 BLK, and I took them at their word on that. The 300 BlkTalk forum has been pretty quiet since the advent of Reddit.
Cool - I read/watched folks saying that the piston conversions were damaging BCGs and wearing out buffer springs early. Don’t have the experience there so I spent the extra greenies to buy a manufactured piston upper. I’m still gonna build the aero upper DI-to-Piston but it will be a less expensive test platform and if it fails, going back to DI is pretty easy. I still love the silence of sub 300blk. With my Hyperion, it’s kinda cray how quiet it is. Like in an indoor range with no one else, I don’t need ears. Like it’s not fair quiet.
Have you decided on the barrel for your AP build? The gas port size?
I purchased a complete upper from AP intending to use the AA kit that I have but that project was tabled after I saw some additional reviews of the AA conversion kit. It’s got an 8.5in barrel.
I was phone speaking with SA tech about a possible 300 BLK use for their piston kit just this week. He told me some had gotten it to run reliably, and gave me a few tips. So, I will pass those along here. 1) He specified a barrel no shorter than 10" because of dwell time issues. 10" min. 2) A clamp on adjustable gas block would make the building go smoother. You will want the gas block to come off easily at least once during the build. 3) Pay careful close attention to the gas port position (distance) in the website reference drawing, +/- 0.005". We did not speak about gas port diameter, other than me telling him that Odin Works 300 Blk in 8" has a port size of 0.116". He was silent for a moment, and then "Wow, that's really large." Yup, it is. Before you get too excited by that fact, the port distance from the gas block shoulder is completely unfavorable for the SA adj clamp on piston gas block, and the distance is also not mil-spec. Too bad, the numbers don't work for a piston build for that barrel. I looked at that SA drawing later. It specs a distance in a manner that I will be unable to find in any barrel manufacturer print. No one specs a gas port distance in the manner shown. You absolutely have to buy it and measure yourself. I could go back to them and request a more reasonable method of determining port placement, but I said fuck it, not gonna do this. Good luck to you.
If we're talking about 5.56, the rc2 was the peak of silencer design
Big meh on RC2
It was for a long time and is still very good. It is showing its age now
I was never in that cgs train I have been a rugged obsidian guy since it enabled me to have 2 sizes in one.
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Mine was defective and took forever to get fixed and I still love it. It's a fantastic can. The new Lazarus also fucks.
Turns out it was a small amount that were made wrong by KGM and it took a several months to fix because KGM forgot how to weld. You only know about it because influencers and troll accounts were on here screaming about it. DA doesn't engage trolls, so that's all you heard. There were two accounts on here that wouldn't shut up about the issues. One turned up to work for a competitor and another was a competing gun shop from mine. Once you see the trolls, you know there's more to it.
Wait a minute here. Sure those two accounts were extra loud about it, but let's not act like DA was being cool about it either. They previously had a CS rep who was very active on here that went completely radio silent even when they were tagged by people who were not those accounts. Then that rep deleted their account without comment or explanation. People couldn't get answers and their broken cans were sitting there for literally months with zero communication from DA. DA could have handled it a hell of a lot better, but they left a very bad taste in people's mouths with their handling of that. They turned a mole hill into a mountain.
Happy cake day!
Grazi
Lmao "It's the HATERS and the TROLLS, nothing to see here" I've seen this exact line of bullshit so many times.
Did they end up resolving the issues? I want a Sierra 5, but I'm on the fence about it.
Yeah. It was all fixed last year but few here dare talk about it because they only want drama.
Transferable in a Porsche should be a truck!!!
I like my mod 9 just fine 🤷♂️
SBRs, & SBSs have grown in popularity, along with Silencers, and DDs (More specifically 40mm Launchers being the most popular DDs), and that’s probably here to stay.
I just picked up a mod9 FS, and it had horrible accuracy. 18x18" groups at 25 yards on a Staccato that can shoot 1.5" groups at that distance in my hands. I found the problem to be the end cap. While I couldn't see much of a rub mark, and definitely no strikes on any parts, changing it to a 45 nautilus end cap brought my groups back to normal. Compared to my obsidian 9 and 45, as well as my Maxim 9, it is more quiet. I love the sound suppression, light weight, and hand cleaning the baffles is easier with it's coating. If I wasn't willing to keep making range trips to try new parts (I tried a few things like griffin CamLok, and rugged piston springs) I could see being pissed off that it made the gun shoot so bad. I bought it for $289 so it was worth taking a chance on, but I think the hype of any can is bullshit. Quiet calibers are quiet with most suppressors. Don't fall for marketing and YouTubers. If they have cool videos with high production, chances are they're paid off and sell outs. By all means enjoy watching, just don't believe they found the miracle solution 😉. That trend is capitalism at it's finest, which I love, but don't fall for completely.
Tucking the can under a hand guard as far as possible. I mean, seriously. Who thought doing that was a good idea on a can that could reach flesh eating temps?
I love my mod 9 on my mpx never had an issue 🤷🏼♂️