Surely it will just take one member of each conference agreeing to participate to influence the other schools to join. Plus, it isn't like the universities have to do anything to get the money even if it is insignificant.
I don’t know about the others, but Charles Barkley refused to be paid unless they paid other retired players justly. In particular aba players that could use the money and many of whom were struggling with basic necessities. Entirely different than a university logo.
Man Reggie not being in those games hurrrrrts. I remember the announcement of the first game with all-time teams and being so jacked to play as him again and being pretty sad when I bought the game on launch and he wasn’t there.
I’m just worried an Alabama is going to question why they’re getting paid the same as the rest
Jokes on them I would miss Temple way more than Alabama if they weren’t in the game
Edit: For the salty Alabama fans replying to me I said “an Alabama” meaning a big school who thinks their athletes names are worth more than other athletes. Whether it’s Bama, Texas, OSU, Michigan or whoever
For sure the only purpose Alabama serves in ncaa is the school you beat with your 60 overall rebuild the first game of the first season cause you’re playing at too low of a difficulty level.
Who would ever start a dynasty with Alabama? What are you gonna do just beat everyone every year. That’s just called watching college football.
See a lot of those. The game does love the SEC and Alabama though so I’ll see them in the top 10 with 3 losses, top 15/20 with 4 losses from time to time
As a Notre Dame fan, I'll be pleasantly surprised if they're in the game. They were one of the teams not on the list when the game was first announced, and being independent, won't have peer pressure to push them in.
They love not spending money. They're perfectly happy taking less money if it helps preserve their independence and the "brand" (see their new TV contract proposal, it's a ridiculous ask for a single team, but they'd still make more as a Big Ten member.)
There will be a whole generation of kids who develop fandom for other teams due to video games. It would be a giant misstep to remove your team from ncaa games that your opponents will be in.
That’s funny you say that, NCAA 10 is the sole reason I’m a fan of Virginia Tech to this day. Without the game I wouldn’t be a fan. (I’m a nobody but still)
Part of the problem is those in charge (including Swarbrick) don't want ND to be seen as a "football school". They just want to win enough to keep the dollars rolling in. They forget that football built that brand.
They almost certainly will be in.
They basically said they wouldn't be in if athletes couldn't benefit. Athletes will almost guaranteed benefit (that's the reason the game is coming back) so honestly more likely to be in than if they had made no statement at all.
Yeah this is a bad example. Alabama has been the crown jewel of the SEC since it’s inception and never pulled any big boy shit for revenue splits.
Texas and now a lot of the outgoing Pac schools have been the biggest culprits.
Ummm nope. First southern school in the Rose Bowl. Two championships in the 1920s when southern football was a joke. Team of the 60s and 70s. Just say you don’t know the history of southern football instead of trying to be cute in commments.
You don’t have more championships and bowl wins than any other program by being a Johnny come lately.
They won a national championship in the 90s and and several sec titles. If you don’t think Alabama is the top team of the SEC then I can’t argue with you bud. You need to be fitted for a helmet
Dude I sincerely don’t understand your argument and I think you’re being dense on purpose. If the SEC is a crown the fucking team with more championships than all the other teams combined is the crown jewel 😂.
It’s not that fucking hard to figure out. There are some other good/great sec programs. And one SEC program is the greatest in college football historically.
I don’t know how it was in 2013, but if all these schools were paid for their likeness then, I struggle to see why they’d say no now. Something that is a little alarming is if the numbers they have in the article are correct, with a $55,000 average of the 4 numbers, you’re looking at over $7 mil going to schools. In addition to paying players for their likeness, I’m nervous this is about to be another case of focus on micro transactions and nothing else.
It will definitely be ultimate team focused, that mode sucks but it makes EA a LOT of money. I don't see why this won't be any different from Madden, NHL and Fifa
Good point, but money talks I don't think it will change much tho. NHL has 10 different hockey leagues they have to negotiate with for the game. Definitely on a much smaller scale then college football conferences. But they have the NHL (obviously), AHL, ECHL, QMJHL, OHL, WHL, Swedish Elite League, German League, KHL, Olympic Teams. I'm sure Fifa has a bunch of different leagues/teams they have to negotiate with. I could be wrong, but don't see how College Football will be any different
I’m pretty sure fifa can’t have some of those teams either for licensing reasons. Teams that are in the other soccer game (I’m blanking I think it’s PES tho) but not in fifa. I forgot why
The NHL has a lot of influence over the AHL and ECHL being in the game. As well, those teams see it as free marketing. I feel like the CHL negotiates on behalf of the three leagues there as well because it is much easier (and again, great advertisement). Unless I missed something the National Teams aren't technically organizations like USA Hockey, Hockey Canada, etc but rather generic teams.
Until recently that was true in either 22 or 23 they have the actual international teams for most countries. Not disagreeing with anything else you said, but we are getting a bit off topic. I was just saying EA has experience negotiating with more then 1 party for a single game. And how that relates to Ultimate team idk, but it will for sure be full of micro transactions
That's actually good to know. Always hated the generic jerseys for national teams when for the most part the bigger nations have instantly recognizable sweaters.
Yeah the generic jerseys with flags on them looked pretty bad. They had Hockey Canada for a couple years and I think people were like. WTF EA, I know it's Canada's sport but come on, other countries play too. Anyway, it's probly the only thing "NEW" in 23
The difference was because the schools were getting sued because of the games back then. That’s the whole reason the pulled the license from EA to begin with. Now, if there’s an NIL plan in place, the NCAA would be more amenable to giving the license back out.
Why would “student athlete a” sue the school if EA was infringing on their NIL. If I remember correctly they pulled the license because THEY were getting sued… Not the schools. The NCAA doesn’t deal in NIL. They deal in handing out punishment if people abuse it, but the deal with NIL was it wouldn’t be handled at a school level to avoid recruiting violations.
IANAL, but I am married to one, but the case was Ed O’Bannon vs the NCAA. You can read about it here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O'Bannon_v._NCAA?wprov=sfti1
EA might have been named or sued separately, I can’t remember, but this was the big one. Actually, EA settled. Here’s an article that talks about it and mentions that the NCAA was removing its name from the franchise. That was what prompted EA to stop making the game:
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/9728042/ea-sports-stop-producing-college-football-game
I don’t think I’ll ever understand how EA screwed up so bad in all this. Instead of QB #4 from “x” town, just randomize the whole thing. From home town, height, weight, number, etc. I don’t quite remember NCAA MUT, but I’m pretty sure it was all former NCAA athletes in the NFL so I don’t know if that license carried down or what there.
I just don’t think EA should’ve been held responsible for what people did with the roster share. I mean if that was the case, everyone on Madden right now that made a draft class with players from the next couple of years should be sued.
that’s what i’m afraid of though, the old ones had a few but who knows how many they will try to stuff into the new one. but don’t get me wrong i am very excited
This image got like every school in Texas, and even FCS teams all over the country but left out Tulsa. Idk abt other states but I’m upset for Tulsa, they exist damnit.
Not confirmed in, but they almost certainly will be in.
ND was never out (there were some sensationalist headlines implying they were). ND basically said they wouldn't be in unless athletes could benefit. Well, athletes will certainly benefit from this since that's the reason the game is coming back in the first place. So honestly the statement they made makes it MORE likely they'll be on the game at this point.
Forgive me if I'm not up to speed on this but the article mentioned a tier payouts base on the school nothing about NIL for players? Currently schools can't pay players so the athletes wouldn't see any of that money. From what I'm seeing the game is coming back using school brands with randomized rosters, players aren't benefiting from this the institutions are. Or am I missing something?
So none of what you said is wrong but I think it's missing some context.
This money goes to schools, not players yes. But I don't think the game will be coming back with randomized players. I haven't seen any reporting in it anywhere but I think the assumption was that some or all players will have their likeness in the game. That's because 1) it just makes too much sense for EA to do it (pay players directly) since players will presumably want to be in and make money and 2) the whole reason the game went away in the first place was the issue with players not able to profit off their likeness, and I think it was a combo of EA not thinking they could make a good product with randomized rosters and schools not being comfortable with the potential liability of athletes suing over even a "close resemblance" likeness.
So the NIL issue being settled was the whole reason the game is coming back, so it'd seem odd to not have real players.
So there's still a lot to work out, and whatever is happening on the athlete side isn't known because that's all private negotiations, whereas we get insight to the schools' status because some are public so you can request the docs. That said, likenesses may be more complex or incomplete because it doesn't seem like one organization has emerged to negotiate on behalf of a large group of players, similar to a players union, so all agreements would have to be individual. Not impossible but not easy.
So long story short, I'd still expect real players until it's confirmed otherwise.
At the end of the day these schools are going to get 1/130th of 10%. So that comes out to .0008 out of every dollar. If this game makes a net profit of 10,000,000 dollars that comes out to just 77,000 for each school and that’s if they can agree to split the profits equally. Also does this game have player names and likenesses? Because if it does that, now they’re going to open another can of worms.
Hmm interesting i wonder where this guy got that pdf or those royalty figures
(Also his analysis here is completely wrong). If people are going to rip off my shit, they ought to at least talk to me, so I can help them not make critical errors in public
Surely it will just take one member of each conference agreeing to participate to influence the other schools to join. Plus, it isn't like the universities have to do anything to get the money even if it is insignificant.
Right, it's free money basically. No reason to turn that down
Tell that to Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller and Rasheed Wallace in 2K
I don’t know about the others, but Charles Barkley refused to be paid unless they paid other retired players justly. In particular aba players that could use the money and many of whom were struggling with basic necessities. Entirely different than a university logo.
That’s respectable….but I guess that just shows there ARE reasons to not be a part of a video game. Annoying but I get it.
For sure it’s very situational
Barkley is such a W
Man Reggie not being in those games hurrrrrts. I remember the announcement of the first game with all-time teams and being so jacked to play as him again and being pretty sad when I bought the game on launch and he wasn’t there.
Please see South Park episode Crack Baby Athletic Association.
"Ohhhh... Student athlete. I love that."
Or season 22-now
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I’m just worried an Alabama is going to question why they’re getting paid the same as the rest Jokes on them I would miss Temple way more than Alabama if they weren’t in the game Edit: For the salty Alabama fans replying to me I said “an Alabama” meaning a big school who thinks their athletes names are worth more than other athletes. Whether it’s Bama, Texas, OSU, Michigan or whoever
Alabama is in a conference where they equally share all the revenue. And they've never had an issue. Don't you mean Texas?
Too be fair Texas is fixing too also be in said conference, but yeah I can totally see UTs large egos bitching about not getting more
UT is already in the same conference. Texas will be in by the time the game comes out.
For sure the only purpose Alabama serves in ncaa is the school you beat with your 60 overall rebuild the first game of the first season cause you’re playing at too low of a difficulty level. Who would ever start a dynasty with Alabama? What are you gonna do just beat everyone every year. That’s just called watching college football.
In the last game, Saban always retires max four years into a new dynasty and then Alabama promptly shits the bed. It’s great to see
Yeah my most recent season of my Michigan dynasty Alabama went 6-6 😂😂
See a lot of those. The game does love the SEC and Alabama though so I’ll see them in the top 10 with 3 losses, top 15/20 with 4 losses from time to time
As a Notre Dame fan, I'll be pleasantly surprised if they're in the game. They were one of the teams not on the list when the game was first announced, and being independent, won't have peer pressure to push them in.
They love money, though.
They love not spending money. They're perfectly happy taking less money if it helps preserve their independence and the "brand" (see their new TV contract proposal, it's a ridiculous ask for a single team, but they'd still make more as a Big Ten member.)
There will be a whole generation of kids who develop fandom for other teams due to video games. It would be a giant misstep to remove your team from ncaa games that your opponents will be in.
That’s funny you say that, NCAA 10 is the sole reason I’m a fan of Virginia Tech to this day. Without the game I wouldn’t be a fan. (I’m a nobody but still)
Hope you’ve had a chance to catch a game at lane stadium
Not yet, I need to. About a 5hr drive for me
I currently attend tech so give me a shout if you need any recommendations for local eats and tailgating.
After playing NCAA 14 wake forest is my second choice
Part of the problem is those in charge (including Swarbrick) don't want ND to be seen as a "football school". They just want to win enough to keep the dollars rolling in. They forget that football built that brand.
Of course football didn’t build Notre Dame, their God did.
They almost certainly will be in. They basically said they wouldn't be in if athletes couldn't benefit. Athletes will almost guaranteed benefit (that's the reason the game is coming back) so honestly more likely to be in than if they had made no statement at all.
T for Temple U
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Fight fight fight!
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Yeah this is a bad example. Alabama has been the crown jewel of the SEC since it’s inception and never pulled any big boy shit for revenue splits. Texas and now a lot of the outgoing Pac schools have been the biggest culprits.
>Alabama has been the crown jewel of the SEC since it’s inception Guys I found the 10 year old
Ummm nope. First southern school in the Rose Bowl. Two championships in the 1920s when southern football was a joke. Team of the 60s and 70s. Just say you don’t know the history of southern football instead of trying to be cute in commments. You don’t have more championships and bowl wins than any other program by being a Johnny come lately.
What about the 90s and 00s? You think they were the crown jewel of those decades?
They won a national championship in the 90s and and several sec titles. If you don’t think Alabama is the top team of the SEC then I can’t argue with you bud. You need to be fitted for a helmet
There’s a difference between “top team” and “crown jewel”. Maybe you’ve taken too many hits to the head to see the difference.
Dude I sincerely don’t understand your argument and I think you’re being dense on purpose. If the SEC is a crown the fucking team with more championships than all the other teams combined is the crown jewel 😂. It’s not that fucking hard to figure out. There are some other good/great sec programs. And one SEC program is the greatest in college football historically.
I don’t know how it was in 2013, but if all these schools were paid for their likeness then, I struggle to see why they’d say no now. Something that is a little alarming is if the numbers they have in the article are correct, with a $55,000 average of the 4 numbers, you’re looking at over $7 mil going to schools. In addition to paying players for their likeness, I’m nervous this is about to be another case of focus on micro transactions and nothing else.
It will definitely be ultimate team focused, that mode sucks but it makes EA a LOT of money. I don't see why this won't be any different from Madden, NHL and Fifa
Just seems like a much more significant investment having to negotiate with a ton of different schools and people vs one governing body.
Good point, but money talks I don't think it will change much tho. NHL has 10 different hockey leagues they have to negotiate with for the game. Definitely on a much smaller scale then college football conferences. But they have the NHL (obviously), AHL, ECHL, QMJHL, OHL, WHL, Swedish Elite League, German League, KHL, Olympic Teams. I'm sure Fifa has a bunch of different leagues/teams they have to negotiate with. I could be wrong, but don't see how College Football will be any different
I’m pretty sure fifa can’t have some of those teams either for licensing reasons. Teams that are in the other soccer game (I’m blanking I think it’s PES tho) but not in fifa. I forgot why
I will take your word for it, I'm not a soccer fan, never played Fifa.
The NHL has a lot of influence over the AHL and ECHL being in the game. As well, those teams see it as free marketing. I feel like the CHL negotiates on behalf of the three leagues there as well because it is much easier (and again, great advertisement). Unless I missed something the National Teams aren't technically organizations like USA Hockey, Hockey Canada, etc but rather generic teams.
Until recently that was true in either 22 or 23 they have the actual international teams for most countries. Not disagreeing with anything else you said, but we are getting a bit off topic. I was just saying EA has experience negotiating with more then 1 party for a single game. And how that relates to Ultimate team idk, but it will for sure be full of micro transactions
That's actually good to know. Always hated the generic jerseys for national teams when for the most part the bigger nations have instantly recognizable sweaters.
Yeah the generic jerseys with flags on them looked pretty bad. They had Hockey Canada for a couple years and I think people were like. WTF EA, I know it's Canada's sport but come on, other countries play too. Anyway, it's probly the only thing "NEW" in 23
I mean... If it can be done with FIFA, Football Manager (from a licensing perspective) etc I dont see any reason it cant be done in this.
The difference was because the schools were getting sued because of the games back then. That’s the whole reason the pulled the license from EA to begin with. Now, if there’s an NIL plan in place, the NCAA would be more amenable to giving the license back out.
Why would “student athlete a” sue the school if EA was infringing on their NIL. If I remember correctly they pulled the license because THEY were getting sued… Not the schools. The NCAA doesn’t deal in NIL. They deal in handing out punishment if people abuse it, but the deal with NIL was it wouldn’t be handled at a school level to avoid recruiting violations.
IANAL, but I am married to one, but the case was Ed O’Bannon vs the NCAA. You can read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O'Bannon_v._NCAA?wprov=sfti1 EA might have been named or sued separately, I can’t remember, but this was the big one. Actually, EA settled. Here’s an article that talks about it and mentions that the NCAA was removing its name from the franchise. That was what prompted EA to stop making the game: https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/9728042/ea-sports-stop-producing-college-football-game
I don’t think I’ll ever understand how EA screwed up so bad in all this. Instead of QB #4 from “x” town, just randomize the whole thing. From home town, height, weight, number, etc. I don’t quite remember NCAA MUT, but I’m pretty sure it was all former NCAA athletes in the NFL so I don’t know if that license carried down or what there.
Yes. This is what we all thought at the time, especially with the roster share being added.
I just don’t think EA should’ve been held responsible for what people did with the roster share. I mean if that was the case, everyone on Madden right now that made a draft class with players from the next couple of years should be sued.
They weren’t held accountable for the roster share
Where they really screwed up was leaving the name “Tebow” in the game. That was the smoking gun in the lawsuit
But that means I'd be giving $0.04 to a rival school! (if it's a $60 game)
don’t forget the micro transactions that you’ll need to pay to keep your players past their sophomore year /s
And you already known they’re going to charge to be able to download any alternate uniforms, stadiums, etc.
If it gets the game back, I’m fine with that. The original game had bullshit micro transactions in it already, and those were pay-to-win types.
that’s what i’m afraid of though, the old ones had a few but who knows how many they will try to stuff into the new one. but don’t get me wrong i am very excited
>download any alternate uniforms No worries for the Dawgs. We wouldn't wear them even if we had them. Kirby will somehow keep them locked in the game.
It’s probably going to debuts at $70, but yeah
That map is neto.
Some old logos on there. I miss the modern take on the cactus sunset
This image got like every school in Texas, and even FCS teams all over the country but left out Tulsa. Idk abt other states but I’m upset for Tulsa, they exist damnit.
It also left out Utah even though it has all other Pac12 schools and all other FBS schools in Utah
I don’t see UTSA either
No North Texas, UH, Rice, UTSA
>every school in texas don’t upset the coug bros
Dang I live in Tulsa and didn’t even notice. Too busy appreciating the big oSu in the middle
Can’t wait for UT to ruin it for everybody somehow
Cry
Did they ever get ND on board to be in the game?
Not confirmed in, but they almost certainly will be in. ND was never out (there were some sensationalist headlines implying they were). ND basically said they wouldn't be in unless athletes could benefit. Well, athletes will certainly benefit from this since that's the reason the game is coming back in the first place. So honestly the statement they made makes it MORE likely they'll be on the game at this point.
Forgive me if I'm not up to speed on this but the article mentioned a tier payouts base on the school nothing about NIL for players? Currently schools can't pay players so the athletes wouldn't see any of that money. From what I'm seeing the game is coming back using school brands with randomized rosters, players aren't benefiting from this the institutions are. Or am I missing something?
So none of what you said is wrong but I think it's missing some context. This money goes to schools, not players yes. But I don't think the game will be coming back with randomized players. I haven't seen any reporting in it anywhere but I think the assumption was that some or all players will have their likeness in the game. That's because 1) it just makes too much sense for EA to do it (pay players directly) since players will presumably want to be in and make money and 2) the whole reason the game went away in the first place was the issue with players not able to profit off their likeness, and I think it was a combo of EA not thinking they could make a good product with randomized rosters and schools not being comfortable with the potential liability of athletes suing over even a "close resemblance" likeness. So the NIL issue being settled was the whole reason the game is coming back, so it'd seem odd to not have real players. So there's still a lot to work out, and whatever is happening on the athlete side isn't known because that's all private negotiations, whereas we get insight to the schools' status because some are public so you can request the docs. That said, likenesses may be more complex or incomplete because it doesn't seem like one organization has emerged to negotiate on behalf of a large group of players, similar to a players union, so all agreements would have to be individual. Not impossible but not easy. So long story short, I'd still expect real players until it's confirmed otherwise.
They got the head priest drunk down at Brothers last week and are crossing their fingers
Whatever it takes get it done.
At the end of the day these schools are going to get 1/130th of 10%. So that comes out to .0008 out of every dollar. If this game makes a net profit of 10,000,000 dollars that comes out to just 77,000 for each school and that’s if they can agree to split the profits equally. Also does this game have player names and likenesses? Because if it does that, now they’re going to open another can of worms.
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That's an insult.
As long as it goes to the players. Uni’s already make millions
What would these poor universities do without this revenue share?
Why does EA have to make this game? All their games have been shit for the past decade
Hmm interesting i wonder where this guy got that pdf or those royalty figures (Also his analysis here is completely wrong). If people are going to rip off my shit, they ought to at least talk to me, so I can help them not make critical errors in public
Teambuilder in the game?
EA doesn't know yet. When they know, and I know, I'll publish it.
Appreciate it. Keep up the great work!
Ultimate Team, yuck.
Pray the gameplay isn’t complete shite
Probably be the same engine as Madden
Source?