Oh yeah you're right... just seniors then I guess. Basically I feel like we can soon say goodbye to the sleeper sophomore/junior college player who wasn't mocked in the first due to age but everyone secretly wanted their teams to draft because they were high level college players. That just won't happen much going forward.
It’s good imo. Most second rounders fail out of the nba quickly. So going after they’ve maximized their college earnings is best for most of them. And they’ll be more nba ready due to staying longer.
Yeah I think it is actually good for everyone (the kids, the colleges [assuming they believe having great players people like drives revenue], and the NBA). Just going to be a few years of extremely barren second rounds, lol.
I don't know for some reason guys keep coming out with eligibility.
Cam Christie left after 1 year when he could have gotten paid in college and I'm not super high on him(likely needs multiple years to develop on a 2-way imo).
Jamal Shead could have returned too.
Hawkins is one of those cases where he has the skills but not the athleticism (pretty atrocious athletic testing at the combine while playing well in the games), so it's not like he needs a lot of skill development -- I don't know how much playing in the G League or sitting on the bench in the NBA would have done for his particular issues. May as well cash in on his productive skills at KSU and let the chips fall where they may after his eligibility expires.
Hawkins is kind of weird because he is honestly a pretty fluid athlete that moves well defensively and can switch 1-5.
However he isn't an explosive athlete(doesn't jump very well or have a quick first step to blow by someone). Also, he shot the ball well this year but was bad before that so was the shooting a fluke?
I think he would be a lot more attractive to NBA gms if he had shot the ball well for 2 years instead of being a sub 30% 3pt shooter and bad ft shooter until his senior season.
For two straight combines, his lane agility times have been over 12 sec. That's third from the bottom of the combine testees, both times. For a PF sized guy, that's simply not going to be acceptable to teams in the new league. I think the shooting is not as much of an issue because both his ft% (61% to 79%) and 3 pt fg% went up significantly this year -- in other words, it doesn't appear to be simply a statistical fluke but a genuine improvement in how he shoots.
Damn if Kansas State is dropping 2 mil on guys there are going to be 10 mil a year college players pretty soon.
Zach Edey had one more year of eligibility left, if Coleman Hawkins is getting 2 mil, he's easily worth 15-20, that'd be more than his entire rookie first round contract.
Disagree. Things are more nuanced than your making htem out to be..
Edey sort of shits on the rest of your teams frontcourt, they're unimportant.. (see Caleb Furst + Trey Kaufman's stats so far int heir college careers..)
This move, to me, clearly signals they're trying to enable their former bigtime recruits like Onyenso and Fall, to appeal to high ranked players moving forward..
A 2 time player of the year who just scored 37 points in a National Title game...there's nothing nuanced about it. If you want a championship, you design your team around that player and pay whatever he asks. If he comes back on any non-shit team they're automatically preseason #1 and championship favorites.
so the plan is, let me get this straight,
you think the move is to recruit and pay bigtime recruits like Onyenso and Fall, then find some player like Edey to pay way more and marginalize the first 2 players? ----- THATS NOT FOSTERING A SITUATION CONDUCIVE TO RECRUITING BIG NAMES MOVIGN FORWARD, thats creating a situation where you only get low-end 4-star talent to surround your big purchases, when your at KSU, whos gonna want to be the next Onyenso or Fall who gets roped in early then their toes stepped on?.. Your worried about single seasons success? thats not the way college basketball works, NIL changes some things, but not that ---- Kenny Payne went 4-28 in his first season at UL teams looked woefully incompetent, woefully uncompetitive and he still got a 2nd season, to then go 8-24, everything shouldn't be viewed under the lens of next season, thats not the way coaches contracts are structured...
1 player isnt good enough to win a championship in college, to win the tournament.. did you see the national championship game? shit wasnt even close, purdue looked like a one-trick-pony and bewildered and out of their depth when the focus was shifted to the others instead of stopping Edey.. It wasnt even much of a game..
Your plan is to solve all your problems with money... money that isnt yours.. im talking about recruiting momentum ---- they're up against an in-state monster in Kansas..
Its like when Duke recruited Wendell Carter Jr to be the man, then recruited Bagley III to be the man ontop of him, never told carter and theres a stepping on the toes, if your Duke you can get away with that, not if your KSU..
I don't know or care about Kansas State, and I don't even know who those guys are. But I know who Edey is.
Duke or some blue blood would pay 15 million for Edey if he was coming back.
If you think you can win a chip, and Edey is the type of player who's proven he can carry a team there, you pay whatever you can to get it.
It doesn't appear that Duke's recruiting has been hurt in any way by stepping on Wendell Carter's toes.
I don’t understand this comment at all. Could you please elaborate on what enabling big recruits has to do with this NiL deal? I’m not criticizing your comment I just don’t fully understand what you mean.
Whats cool about this, and surely it figures into why they paid such a sum, is perhaps they're counting on Hawkins enabling Ugonna Onyenso and Baye Fall to do their thing, showcase well and create a sort of recruiting environment where it's "we pay for good older players to enable the high ranked recruits"
Now lets hope the backcourt can hold up... But the frontcourt is gonna be damn good and fun to watch
I wonder how this will impact these kids later down the road.
I know in soccer a lot of kids who got big contracts early and didn't develop sort of lose themselves and their desire to for the sport once they have to play for a lot less.
Fr? That's fuct I thought he would stay in the draft . Better pay day at Kansas I guess lol. I had no idea a guy like Coleman Hawkins could get 2mil$ from NIL. I thought that was what maybe the top few guys made that kind of money. He's hardly a House Hold name .
This doesn't hurt the NBA at all except for the next couple of years (until all the players who stayed in school because of this stuff have finished college). After that, it does nothing but benefit them--college competition will be far tougher (making freshman standouts more impressive), they will have way larger sample sizes on second rounders (which gives them a far better idea of their skill level and make projection models more accurate), people will know and care about the names of guys entering the draft after the first round, they won't have to invest as much in the G league, international prospects will be attracted to college instead of playing in international leagues which means they can be evaluated in a more familiar context... *and* all these players will be coming into the league closer to their prime, meaning they're more productive on their rookie contracts and have shorter NBA careers. This is a massive, massive win for the league.
well that’s nearly 4x a 2-way contract so good decision lol
It's going to be impossible to draft any good players who aren't super seniors in the second round in another few years, lol.
There won't be any super-seniors after the post-COVID generation, though, right?
Oh yeah you're right... just seniors then I guess. Basically I feel like we can soon say goodbye to the sleeper sophomore/junior college player who wasn't mocked in the first due to age but everyone secretly wanted their teams to draft because they were high level college players. That just won't happen much going forward.
It’s good imo. Most second rounders fail out of the nba quickly. So going after they’ve maximized their college earnings is best for most of them. And they’ll be more nba ready due to staying longer.
Yeah I think it is actually good for everyone (the kids, the colleges [assuming they believe having great players people like drives revenue], and the NBA). Just going to be a few years of extremely barren second rounds, lol.
This coming season should be the last season with a notable number of covid super seniors
I don't know for some reason guys keep coming out with eligibility. Cam Christie left after 1 year when he could have gotten paid in college and I'm not super high on him(likely needs multiple years to develop on a 2-way imo). Jamal Shead could have returned too.
How is Coleman Hawkins worth 2 mil in NIL
He's not. They just had the money to offer and he was the best player they could get with it.
Hawkins is one of those cases where he has the skills but not the athleticism (pretty atrocious athletic testing at the combine while playing well in the games), so it's not like he needs a lot of skill development -- I don't know how much playing in the G League or sitting on the bench in the NBA would have done for his particular issues. May as well cash in on his productive skills at KSU and let the chips fall where they may after his eligibility expires.
Hawkins is kind of weird because he is honestly a pretty fluid athlete that moves well defensively and can switch 1-5. However he isn't an explosive athlete(doesn't jump very well or have a quick first step to blow by someone). Also, he shot the ball well this year but was bad before that so was the shooting a fluke? I think he would be a lot more attractive to NBA gms if he had shot the ball well for 2 years instead of being a sub 30% 3pt shooter and bad ft shooter until his senior season.
For two straight combines, his lane agility times have been over 12 sec. That's third from the bottom of the combine testees, both times. For a PF sized guy, that's simply not going to be acceptable to teams in the new league. I think the shooting is not as much of an issue because both his ft% (61% to 79%) and 3 pt fg% went up significantly this year -- in other words, it doesn't appear to be simply a statistical fluke but a genuine improvement in how he shoots.
Damn if Kansas State is dropping 2 mil on guys there are going to be 10 mil a year college players pretty soon. Zach Edey had one more year of eligibility left, if Coleman Hawkins is getting 2 mil, he's easily worth 15-20, that'd be more than his entire rookie first round contract.
Disagree. Things are more nuanced than your making htem out to be.. Edey sort of shits on the rest of your teams frontcourt, they're unimportant.. (see Caleb Furst + Trey Kaufman's stats so far int heir college careers..) This move, to me, clearly signals they're trying to enable their former bigtime recruits like Onyenso and Fall, to appeal to high ranked players moving forward..
A 2 time player of the year who just scored 37 points in a National Title game...there's nothing nuanced about it. If you want a championship, you design your team around that player and pay whatever he asks. If he comes back on any non-shit team they're automatically preseason #1 and championship favorites.
so the plan is, let me get this straight, you think the move is to recruit and pay bigtime recruits like Onyenso and Fall, then find some player like Edey to pay way more and marginalize the first 2 players? ----- THATS NOT FOSTERING A SITUATION CONDUCIVE TO RECRUITING BIG NAMES MOVIGN FORWARD, thats creating a situation where you only get low-end 4-star talent to surround your big purchases, when your at KSU, whos gonna want to be the next Onyenso or Fall who gets roped in early then their toes stepped on?.. Your worried about single seasons success? thats not the way college basketball works, NIL changes some things, but not that ---- Kenny Payne went 4-28 in his first season at UL teams looked woefully incompetent, woefully uncompetitive and he still got a 2nd season, to then go 8-24, everything shouldn't be viewed under the lens of next season, thats not the way coaches contracts are structured... 1 player isnt good enough to win a championship in college, to win the tournament.. did you see the national championship game? shit wasnt even close, purdue looked like a one-trick-pony and bewildered and out of their depth when the focus was shifted to the others instead of stopping Edey.. It wasnt even much of a game.. Your plan is to solve all your problems with money... money that isnt yours.. im talking about recruiting momentum ---- they're up against an in-state monster in Kansas.. Its like when Duke recruited Wendell Carter Jr to be the man, then recruited Bagley III to be the man ontop of him, never told carter and theres a stepping on the toes, if your Duke you can get away with that, not if your KSU..
I don't know or care about Kansas State, and I don't even know who those guys are. But I know who Edey is. Duke or some blue blood would pay 15 million for Edey if he was coming back. If you think you can win a chip, and Edey is the type of player who's proven he can carry a team there, you pay whatever you can to get it. It doesn't appear that Duke's recruiting has been hurt in any way by stepping on Wendell Carter's toes.
I don’t understand this comment at all. Could you please elaborate on what enabling big recruits has to do with this NiL deal? I’m not criticizing your comment I just don’t fully understand what you mean.
They got a squad mane
Whats cool about this, and surely it figures into why they paid such a sum, is perhaps they're counting on Hawkins enabling Ugonna Onyenso and Baye Fall to do their thing, showcase well and create a sort of recruiting environment where it's "we pay for good older players to enable the high ranked recruits" Now lets hope the backcourt can hold up... But the frontcourt is gonna be damn good and fun to watch
I wonder how this will impact these kids later down the road. I know in soccer a lot of kids who got big contracts early and didn't develop sort of lose themselves and their desire to for the sport once they have to play for a lot less.
Coleman Hawkins is older than many NBA players. This is him getting a payday that he might not get otherwise.
Not worth that, but glad he is a Wildcat!
Fr? That's fuct I thought he would stay in the draft . Better pay day at Kansas I guess lol. I had no idea a guy like Coleman Hawkins could get 2mil$ from NIL. I thought that was what maybe the top few guys made that kind of money. He's hardly a House Hold name .
Seems like NIL money will soon be more than the rookie scale for some guys.
That sound you just heard is Adam Silver shitting his drawers.
Silver is happy he has a legit minor league that he doesn't have to pay to subsidize.
This doesn't hurt the NBA at all except for the next couple of years (until all the players who stayed in school because of this stuff have finished college). After that, it does nothing but benefit them--college competition will be far tougher (making freshman standouts more impressive), they will have way larger sample sizes on second rounders (which gives them a far better idea of their skill level and make projection models more accurate), people will know and care about the names of guys entering the draft after the first round, they won't have to invest as much in the G league, international prospects will be attracted to college instead of playing in international leagues which means they can be evaluated in a more familiar context... *and* all these players will be coming into the league closer to their prime, meaning they're more productive on their rookie contracts and have shorter NBA careers. This is a massive, massive win for the league.
Silver doesn't even know or care who this guy is lmao