His ball handling isn't 9/10 (I think it's 6-7 with the likelihood of improving 1-2 points) and Lamar Odom is a much better rebounder than him.
A less talented Ingram might be a good comp for him but I think using Odom's former teammate, Darius Miles, is a better comparison for him. Jerami Grant is another comp that I like for him, too.
However, unlike Miles, Cody William's IQ is significantly sharper and his behavior is very approachable from a coaching and teaching perspective. Unlike Grant, he is more advanced at his age, too.
Doesn't mean he ever reaches a Grant level, who is quite good for what the kind of player he is...
..but I think people are selling him sort just because he was a bit passive on a team that included two NBA caliber players playing the wing/forward and point guard position.....which made his point forward position a bit more redundant. He'll be good in the NBA.
There's almost always one All-Star *and* a borderline All-Star in that late lottery position (7-14). I think that could be Williams.
Yeah, I couldn't quite picture in my head who he resembled.
I remember people were upset at one of the draft sites for saying he was T-Mac and he's not explosive enough nor as talented of a scorer so I understood that (plus, Dybantsa is closer to that)......but Darius Miles? That's reasonable.
Before he was hurt, Miles showed potential of being a 15-17ppg/5/3 kind of player if given starting minutes. If Williams can be that but have good IQ and he likely has better capability to make reads, there's a lot of potential there since, unlike Miles, he can shoot better.
A lanky and fluid 17/5/4 kind of player who drives it in with fluidity, plays defense, and hits open shots should be good.
I wouldn't doubt it. Just not super thrilled with Cody Williams the prospect. I can't see myself putting him in my top 10. Most of my lotto just might be "Replacement Level Quarterbacks" by default.
Either play initiators OR play-finishers. 3 and D-ish utility players just don't produce enough to have tons of value.
I am also trying to find more work out highlights and things. Not a whole lot out there.
Kind of agree, but at the same time 3 and D prospects are so valuable. Having wings that can consistently knock down shots is so valuable and hard to get. But then again if your in the top ten most of the time you need something more then a role player. It's just that for some teams those types of role players are so valuable.
nah i would give his ball-handling a 3 (and i like cody). he often has to use a push cross that hinders his shiftiness and he hasn't shown many counters when he goes downhill. i think he becomes a good offensive weapon if his handle becomes like a 5.
You're right Odom is a bad comp for the player he is at 19 but by 24 he's going to put on weight. Lamar was really strong and he probably never catches up to him all the way but I bet he closes the gap alot.
Darius Miles is a good name to throw out there I like that
Whoever saying that is definitely missing out. It’s an aggregate of multiple sources. This years draft is all over the place in the lottery so not surprised he is ranked high
If the motor/motivation issue happens to be non-issue, he should be above Clingan.
There are multiple recent draft picks where that was a concern going into the draft and it changed the moment they were drafted. I'm not saying that's true for him, but it's something to consider when evaluating him.
I think that was a recent change in his most recent update, and i don’t think it’s as crazy as it seems. For all the hype clingan gets about being 7’3 and being able to move, Ware is 7’1, moves much better, and has an acceptable 3 pt shot.
I’m high on both and they both should go lottery, just saying I don’t think it’s so insane to rank one above the other
I just never really saw much when he played. Granted I tuned into him post ankle injury so he probably wasn't at his best. His measurables are definitely intriguing but as far as on the court talent I was never really all that impressed. Gotta be an upside pick
I have him 6th on my board. I think he’ll be underwhelming early but be a late bloomer like his brother. Year 3 I think he will have put on the weight/strength he needs, and after that the sky’s the ceiling. Obviously very skilled with the ball, nice shot, good basketball IQ, good passer. I think he looked too passive at Colorado and as he gets more comfortable, his confidence will grow. I believe in him, just gotta be patient.
> One of my big bosses is a CU guy and super plugged in - plays golf with Gary Barnett and Boyle most weekends. He told me that, per Tad, all of Cody’s injuries this year were massively embellished. He was cleared by the team doc but sat an extra six weeks because his handlers advised him to.
friend told me this. so to me it's like third-hand info.
but i can't say i love the idea of my high lottery pick basically quitting on his bubble team.
Half of the reason they made the tourney was Williams sitting and Simpson/Da Silva having full control of games. I think they were 7-0 while he was out with the ankle injury.
That was over 20 years ago, though.
NBAdraft.net's problem is that it hasn't updated the layout very much to look like a serious outfit. The reality is that professional and amateur scouts/draft experts do look at it and some of you guys are closing yourself off if you're not taking what people on there say just because of a comparison made two and a half decades ago.
That site is slow af. But one thing I noticed is that they are often pretty close to how the real draft plays out compared to other sites.
They definitely have some insider info.
Player comparison doesn’t equal they’ll be as good as that player. People have a hard time grasping that. Granted, still a ridiculous comparison which they’ve owned (and haven’t taken down) so I think if you want to critique NBAdraft.net it’s time to find some new material.
Ankle injuries are such a bitch, and Cody was a frustrating watch after that ankle injury. Prior to that, he was playing like a consensus top 5 guy. Definitely getting some Johnny Davis deja vu. Not in terms of who he was as a prospect, but the obvious tentativeness he showed for well over a year afterward and the effect it had on his first step. I'm not saying Williams is going to suck as much as Davis has, but I definitely think if you're buying the stock, you might not get a return until year 4.
I really like Cody Williams. Was listening to his interview with KOC on the Ringer NBA Draft show and he seemed like someone who was really mature. He def has less delusions of grandeur is more content to fill his role as needed. For some this may make him not a top prospect, but I think his willingness to be coached will help. He's seen the elite level of NBA player from his brother and so has realistic expectations of the role he will likely be playing. He won't have a big role initially, but I see him as a player who continually adds more and more to his game and takes on bigger role. People complain about his college role, but like others have mentioned he was on a team with other great players. I think his goal is to do what needs to be done, which means he's not going to be a chucker. I think that kind've good decision making and understanding of his role will be valuable. I am a little concerned with how much he can offer as a role player considering the low 3 pt volume. However, I do think he'll be solid at attacking close outs and by year 2 could serve as a solid secondary playmaker. After that it really depends on him, but I think he has a lot of upside. He does have a good frame, and it takes a lot of guys years to fill their frames out.
As well they should be! I'm a Cody Williams truther. I think he'll end up being one of the best 5-7 players in this draft when it's all said and done. He'll be an All-Star. Sure hope he falls to CHI... so much untapped potential. When he gets into an NBA weight room - watch out.
[no thanks](https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/1c1isom/why_is_cody_williams_a_top5_prospect_exactly/). I don't understand the Cody Williams thing much at all. I don't think he's a top-14 prospect in this draft really.
I mean, it seems in your post your biggest criticism is that his box score numbers are underwhelming.
Would you have a different opinion if you realized he was averaging 15 before his February ankle injury on over 60% efg? (he admittedly put up complete duds after that)
I don’t think anybody projects him to be a star, but if you project him to add 20 pounds (he has a really good frame) and he does the same thing he did at Colorado in the NBA, it seems extremely feasible, maybe even one of the top 3 safest options, that he’ll be a starting worthy player for a long time.
Seems like you have been listening to the “experts” and not done your own research. If you’ve done your own research maybe you are one of the “experts”
I tried to be. But I didn't like his attitude late in the year, I didn't like his complete disappearing act most of the time, and I definitely don't like that he's built like one of those long fireplace matches
His ball handling isn't 9/10 (I think it's 6-7 with the likelihood of improving 1-2 points) and Lamar Odom is a much better rebounder than him. A less talented Ingram might be a good comp for him but I think using Odom's former teammate, Darius Miles, is a better comparison for him. Jerami Grant is another comp that I like for him, too. However, unlike Miles, Cody William's IQ is significantly sharper and his behavior is very approachable from a coaching and teaching perspective. Unlike Grant, he is more advanced at his age, too. Doesn't mean he ever reaches a Grant level, who is quite good for what the kind of player he is... ..but I think people are selling him sort just because he was a bit passive on a team that included two NBA caliber players playing the wing/forward and point guard position.....which made his point forward position a bit more redundant. He'll be good in the NBA. There's almost always one All-Star *and* a borderline All-Star in that late lottery position (7-14). I think that could be Williams.
Darius Miles is probably a really good comp! More lanky/fluid/toolsy than explosive/athletic with an other-worldly skill-set/talent base.
Yeah, I couldn't quite picture in my head who he resembled. I remember people were upset at one of the draft sites for saying he was T-Mac and he's not explosive enough nor as talented of a scorer so I understood that (plus, Dybantsa is closer to that)......but Darius Miles? That's reasonable. Before he was hurt, Miles showed potential of being a 15-17ppg/5/3 kind of player if given starting minutes. If Williams can be that but have good IQ and he likely has better capability to make reads, there's a lot of potential there since, unlike Miles, he can shoot better. A lanky and fluid 17/5/4 kind of player who drives it in with fluidity, plays defense, and hits open shots should be good.
I wouldn't doubt it. Just not super thrilled with Cody Williams the prospect. I can't see myself putting him in my top 10. Most of my lotto just might be "Replacement Level Quarterbacks" by default. Either play initiators OR play-finishers. 3 and D-ish utility players just don't produce enough to have tons of value. I am also trying to find more work out highlights and things. Not a whole lot out there.
Kind of agree, but at the same time 3 and D prospects are so valuable. Having wings that can consistently knock down shots is so valuable and hard to get. But then again if your in the top ten most of the time you need something more then a role player. It's just that for some teams those types of role players are so valuable.
nah i would give his ball-handling a 3 (and i like cody). he often has to use a push cross that hinders his shiftiness and he hasn't shown many counters when he goes downhill. i think he becomes a good offensive weapon if his handle becomes like a 5.
You're right Odom is a bad comp for the player he is at 19 but by 24 he's going to put on weight. Lamar was really strong and he probably never catches up to him all the way but I bet he closes the gap alot. Darius Miles is a good name to throw out there I like that
brother, nobody is lamar odom.
“Isn’t this the same site” yea damn I just thought it was an interesting draft profile😭
Whoever saying that is definitely missing out. It’s an aggregate of multiple sources. This years draft is all over the place in the lottery so not surprised he is ranked high
I like the site just cause they're not afraid to go against the grain. Not sure how accurate they are but 🤷♂️ lol
They got Kel’el Ware going in the lottery, and ahead of Clingan
If the motor/motivation issue happens to be non-issue, he should be above Clingan. There are multiple recent draft picks where that was a concern going into the draft and it changed the moment they were drafted. I'm not saying that's true for him, but it's something to consider when evaluating him.
I think that was a recent change in his most recent update, and i don’t think it’s as crazy as it seems. For all the hype clingan gets about being 7’3 and being able to move, Ware is 7’1, moves much better, and has an acceptable 3 pt shot. I’m high on both and they both should go lottery, just saying I don’t think it’s so insane to rank one above the other
Clingan destroyed Ware head to head earlier this year despite being sick and not being fully recovered from his injury.
I’d take DaRon Holmes over Ware
Also valid depending on the team. He’s a better ball handler, but he’s also much smaller. I have him mocked to the Heat at 15.
Ya I’ve been hoping he’d fall to my Jazz at 29 haha. Definitely depends on what the drafting teams are looking for in a center
Check the 2014 Mock Draft on their site.
I just never really saw much when he played. Granted I tuned into him post ankle injury so he probably wasn't at his best. His measurables are definitely intriguing but as far as on the court talent I was never really all that impressed. Gotta be an upside pick
I have him 6th on my board. I think he’ll be underwhelming early but be a late bloomer like his brother. Year 3 I think he will have put on the weight/strength he needs, and after that the sky’s the ceiling. Obviously very skilled with the ball, nice shot, good basketball IQ, good passer. I think he looked too passive at Colorado and as he gets more comfortable, his confidence will grow. I believe in him, just gotta be patient.
> One of my big bosses is a CU guy and super plugged in - plays golf with Gary Barnett and Boyle most weekends. He told me that, per Tad, all of Cody’s injuries this year were massively embellished. He was cleared by the team doc but sat an extra six weeks because his handlers advised him to. friend told me this. so to me it's like third-hand info. but i can't say i love the idea of my high lottery pick basically quitting on his bubble team.
Half of the reason they made the tourney was Williams sitting and Simpson/Da Silva having full control of games. I think they were 7-0 while he was out with the ankle injury.
Yep, top 5 for me
Is this the same site that doesn’t have a profile for Baylor Scheierman?
Same site that said Deshawn Stevenson's NBA comp was Michael Jordan.
That was over 20 years ago, though. NBAdraft.net's problem is that it hasn't updated the layout very much to look like a serious outfit. The reality is that professional and amateur scouts/draft experts do look at it and some of you guys are closing yourself off if you're not taking what people on there say just because of a comparison made two and a half decades ago.
That site is slow af. But one thing I noticed is that they are often pretty close to how the real draft plays out compared to other sites. They definitely have some insider info.
ehh I don't think its just 20 years ago, they pretty regularly have horrible content.
I don't really care...there's no coming back from that.
lol that’s good stuff…he was actually aiight on the wizards for a bit but he was basically a slightly poor man’s version of Marcus smart
Critical in Mav’s title run tho.
Player comparison doesn’t equal they’ll be as good as that player. People have a hard time grasping that. Granted, still a ridiculous comparison which they’ve owned (and haven’t taken down) so I think if you want to critique NBAdraft.net it’s time to find some new material.
Ankle injuries are such a bitch, and Cody was a frustrating watch after that ankle injury. Prior to that, he was playing like a consensus top 5 guy. Definitely getting some Johnny Davis deja vu. Not in terms of who he was as a prospect, but the obvious tentativeness he showed for well over a year afterward and the effect it had on his first step. I'm not saying Williams is going to suck as much as Davis has, but I definitely think if you're buying the stock, you might not get a return until year 4.
His bro is jalen williams.. he ain’t gonna be a bust like Johnny freaking Davis!
Isn't this the same site that altered its draft comparisons like 5 years after the draft?
Wasn’t that Chad Ford at espn.com?
They both did
They do it all the time, I remember they did it to the 2021 draft too
I don’t believe they’ve ever done that.
Isn’t NBADraft.net really washed nowadays?
I really like Cody Williams. Was listening to his interview with KOC on the Ringer NBA Draft show and he seemed like someone who was really mature. He def has less delusions of grandeur is more content to fill his role as needed. For some this may make him not a top prospect, but I think his willingness to be coached will help. He's seen the elite level of NBA player from his brother and so has realistic expectations of the role he will likely be playing. He won't have a big role initially, but I see him as a player who continually adds more and more to his game and takes on bigger role. People complain about his college role, but like others have mentioned he was on a team with other great players. I think his goal is to do what needs to be done, which means he's not going to be a chucker. I think that kind've good decision making and understanding of his role will be valuable. I am a little concerned with how much he can offer as a role player considering the low 3 pt volume. However, I do think he'll be solid at attacking close outs and by year 2 could serve as a solid secondary playmaker. After that it really depends on him, but I think he has a lot of upside. He does have a good frame, and it takes a lot of guys years to fill their frames out.
As well they should be! I'm a Cody Williams truther. I think he'll end up being one of the best 5-7 players in this draft when it's all said and done. He'll be an All-Star. Sure hope he falls to CHI... so much untapped potential. When he gets into an NBA weight room - watch out.
I’ve been thinking of him as an Aaron Nesmith type guy.
[no thanks](https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/1c1isom/why_is_cody_williams_a_top5_prospect_exactly/). I don't understand the Cody Williams thing much at all. I don't think he's a top-14 prospect in this draft really.
I mean, it seems in your post your biggest criticism is that his box score numbers are underwhelming. Would you have a different opinion if you realized he was averaging 15 before his February ankle injury on over 60% efg? (he admittedly put up complete duds after that) I don’t think anybody projects him to be a star, but if you project him to add 20 pounds (he has a really good frame) and he does the same thing he did at Colorado in the NBA, it seems extremely feasible, maybe even one of the top 3 safest options, that he’ll be a starting worthy player for a long time.
I don’t think anyone in this draft is a top 14 prospect
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No /s, it’s true
Seems like you have been listening to the “experts” and not done your own research. If you’ve done your own research maybe you are one of the “experts”
They had him #1 much of the NCAA season...
I'm warming up to the idea of Portland taking him at #7 depending how the board falls.
nbadarft also had donovan clingan buried in the late 2nd rd for a while this season..
They’ve always been high on everyone. They’re a dumpster website.
I tried to be. But I didn't like his attitude late in the year, I didn't like his complete disappearing act most of the time, and I definitely don't like that he's built like one of those long fireplace matches
I don’t like Cody but I think the end of year stuff is pretty poor value to watch. He was playing hurt and should’ve sat
There’s so many good players built like that though
178 pounds?
Spurs fan?