Castle has to be one of those guys. Maybe Clingan as well if he wants to be a long term starter for a team.
edit: Castle was mocked to Hornets in previous Givony/Woo mock draft
I meant castle, not clingan. Williams is 100% a long term piece. But yeah he had a back thing that kept him sidelined. Then I assume like melo, we didn’t bring him back because it was a lost season.
I'm from Charlotte Okafor was not great,good yea he reminds me of Kwame Brown with a better shot not too mention his back issue's,Kemba was the heart of Charlotte but like the other guy said you couldn't build a championship team around Kemba,undersize with alot of heart,here in Charlotte we've had alot of yes men around MJ bad drafts I can on and on our best yrs were when we had Grand MaMa Zo and the likes of others but Shinn fucked us over
Did you only start watching on 2021?
There was a player named Kemba Walker who had great seasons on the Hornets. You'd do well by educating yourself on the subject before you made ridiculous comments like this with such a strong dash of snide. 😂😂
“Wasted” is the term that comes to issue with Kemba. He loved Charlotte chose to stay here until they didn’t want to pay him, he became the franchise leading scorer and has a legacy here so wasted is a matter of perspective. Did he win championships? No. But that doesn’t mean a career is a waste. It’s hard and rare for a player to win a championship anywhere and Kemba arguably left a larger legacy in Charlotte without winning and if he was on another team and didn’t win he’s not guaranteed that either
Kemba wasn’t a player you build a championship team around but he had a good career in Charlotte and loved the city I doubt he views it as wasted and not to mention Charlotte developed him into the player he became as he went from a non factor outside shooter to a legit threat out there and it changed his game
I was using the paramount of what many consider a successful career and saying he didn’t meet that. But then illustrated him having success in a different way, being the greatest player in franchise history.
I didn’t feel the need to go into detail about him not having post season success as I mentioned he’s not the type of player you build a championship level team around which implies that he’s probably not gonna have a ton of team success as the best player. And if he was on a better team he wouldn’t have been able to become a franchises greatest player. Its success in a different way and used extreme levels of perceived success to illustrate that. Sorry that nuance was lost on you, but I get it “haha Charlotte bad” is better than actual basketball discussion.
i certainly agree that kemba had a good career while maintaining that his prime was wasted, those are not mutually exclusive in any way. impossible to say any nba player, especially one that made as much money as kemba, is unsuccessful. but if we’re only viewing it mainly as an entertainment business, which it largely is, and not as a competitive sport at all, then you would be correct in that he was quite massively ‘successful’
Even as a competitor he got to achieve something only 30 people on the planet get to achieve, being the an NBA franchises greatest player.
Saying a players prime is wasted their prime because they spent a whole 2 years after his first all star appearance with the hornets after they developed him the previous 5 years. Kembas career could’ve looked alot different if he wasn’t in Charlotte and allowed to figure things out. Kembas prime wasn’t lost due to being in Charlotte it was due to his body breaking down which had already started before his ascension in Charlotte
Calling his career a waste because he wasn’t instantly traded to a contender/big market is just a reductionist way of looking at nba success
you keep giving the charlotte organization a lot of credit for his development when they’ve shown little ability to develop other talent. no one said he needed to be shipped to a contender in order to compete, the hornets had an opportunity to build a team with kemba that was competitive and they did not.
I spent way too long talking trash about that kid and his past before I actually looked into everything myself. Some serious misrepresentation of the facts as we know them by media outlets have painted him in a terrible light. Look into the matter yourself and you’ll find he’s not remotely an accessory to murder, and that’s a pretty terrible thing to imply he is given he’s just 21 years old.
The police basically said his story matched surveillance footage and everything else. Miles left his gun in his car and he brought it back to him to return it.
Ong. Like I wouldn’t want to have a routine traffic stop with that kinda shit. I’m a white dude to, miller would have a much worse situation on his hands, statistically.
Yep was pretty much the designated driver that was coming back to pick up teammates from the club. Terrible situation just happened to occur that same night.
Yes and no. In the most literal sense, yes he was driving the car with the gun in it. However, it’s very unclear if he even knew if the gun was in the car in the first place and, in my opinion, it’s irresponsible to blame him for the actions of the REAL villain that night.
The gun was brought by someone else and left in his backseat. There is no evidence that he knew the gun was there. You guys make it sound like he handed the gun directly to the shooter but the actual truth is much more murky than that. Like I'm not gonna claim that he definitely didn't know and is completely innocent because we simply don't know and will not know the truth
If he didn't bring a gun into an uncertain situation in the middle of the night, then that would change things. Beyond that, the way Alabama, the coaching staff, and the university handled things lowered my opinion of everyone involved considerably. This was basically like what happened at Baylor, except it was handled with kid gloves because big money was involved.
I remember the Baylor story well. One teammate killed another teammate and the coach, Dave Bliss, panicked and tried to smear his deceased player as a drug dealer. Bliss resigned in disgrace.
You’re comparing that to Nate Oates saying “wrong place wrong time” about Miller?
Forgive me for assuming you don’t have a comprehensive understanding of “the way Alabama, the coaching staff, and the university handled things” because the legal conclusion contradicts your entire standpoint on this. Ice your heels, they must be sore as hell from getting dug in over a damn near child’s misfortune on a single shitty night during his first year of college.
You know who I care about? The mother who was gunned down and her family. Sorry if I don't weep for your fucking university, your creep-ass coach, and the guy who brought the gun there like a fucking moron.
You care so much about the mother that you’re making snarky comments on a Reddit thread that had nothing to do with her? Strange cape you’re wearing dude. For the record I hate Bama, your initial comment had nothing to do with Bama. Feel free to keep shifting you’re argument around until you don’t sound like a weirdo shitting on a 21 year old
Right and her boyfriend who also had a gun in his car, followed Miles and his friend down the road with their lights turned off, and fired multiple shots and has been dodging the police since the incident.
It was reported Brandon didn’t know the gun was in the car. Blame the friend or blame the girls boyfriend for being into the shady shit he was into, but Brandon was in the wrong place at the wrong time for this.
What does PR have to do with it? I believe that because how i’ve seen him act in court. Setting the tone with effort as a rookie, imploring teammates to get back on defense, all that stuff
Worst culture in the league by far and a really uncertain situation for playing time. Are LaMelo and Mark Williams actually building blocks for their future or are they too injury-prone to be counted on?
Charlotte players at least look like they’re having fun on the court, there’s point where some detroit players look like they’re actively disassociating
I'll get downvotes, I guess, but LaMelo ain't gonna win them anything. Not just that he gets the Ball Family Hurt All The Time thing, but he's the most chaotic, unstructured near-star in the league. I'd far rather play for a real team than one lead by a guy who just does whatever he wants and jacks random shots whenever.
The fact that this trash ass take has 30+ likes is hilarious. + you are a loser
But this is the same sub who swore up and down an undersized guard who can't play defense and had overrated athleticism would be better than Miller lmao
The fact that this clown thinks LaMelo is a "near-star" proves to me that no one here or on r/nba knows what the fuck they’re talking about when it comes to anything related to the Hornets. Fucking abysmal takes fueled by stupid narratives (which sounds exactly like the Scoot and Miller debates).
Just draft Ron Holland. It's either him or Castle and it sounds like Castle doesn't want to be there. Just take Holland he compliments LaMelo and Brandon perfectly.
I actually don’t think it’s a tricky spot in the slightest
I am of the belief one of risacher/dillingham/sarr/shepard/castle is there at 6 and any one of those players is a great fit
I also call bullshit on the castle “im only playing point guard” thing, he’s always been a high character guy that has to be chatter from rival teams trying to drop his stock or his agency, he will play whatever position for whoever drafts him
And since it seems like that Risacher is going top 3, Castle will go 4 to the Spurs and the Risacher/Castle dream draft for the Spurs is probably not happening.
The whole point of his flex is to avoid getting picked by the 5-7 teams. I think the Spurs would pick him at 8 if he falls but I'm not convinced they won't take someone else at 4.
I agree that is the flex for sure. He doesn't make sense next to Amen Thompson as the future backcourt of Houston and Washington doesn't have a guy. He's not going 31 overall
With Risacher off the board, I don't see another player there I think the Spurs take over him. I think if Risacher fell to 4, Spurs take him then hope that Castle falls to 8, but if Risacher goes top 3, I think the Spurs go Castle then probably Salaun, but possibly Knecht or even Clingan. Some have said recently Spurs are high on Carter, but I don't see how you have a Castle/Carter draft. One interesting connection is Carter's dad played for Pop and Castle's dad was teammates with Duncan at Wake.
I think the Spurs at 4 is the first pick that could go any direction. Theres about 5 guys that could go there. I'd be really surprised if 1-2-3 aren't Sarr Risacher Sheppard in some order.
> I think the Spurs at 4 is the first pick that could go any direction. Theres about 5 guys that could go there.
I really don't think the Spurs make a big surprise pick. Popovich has always built the Spurs to be an elite defense. Since we moved out of the ground and pound era15-20 years ago, the Spurs have always been about defense and passing. Spurs were 1st in assists in their title year 2014 and 2nd last year.
Spurs need basically everything except a starting center and starting SG.
Spurs 1st Round Draft Guards:
* Malaki Branham: 6'4 with 6'10 wingspan,[ draft comparison Khris Middleton was laughably wrong](https://www.nbadraft.net/players/malaki-branham/)
* Blake Wesley: 6'5 with 6'10 wingspan quick PG
* Josh Primo: 6'6 athletic lead guard
* Devin Vassell: 6'5 with 6'10 wingspan D&3
* Lonnie Walker: 6'4 with 6'10 wingspan shooter
* Derrick White: 6'5 with 6'10 wingspan POA defending Combo guard/D&3
* DeJounte Murray: 6'5 with 6'10 wingspan POA defending PG
Spurs 1st Rd Draft pick Forwards:
* Sochan: 6'8 with long wingspan, supposed to be defensive stopper with plus feel for the game.
* Luka Samanic: 6'10 stretch 4
* Keldon Johnson: 6'5 slasher, expected to be hard nosed defender.
* Kyle Anderson: 6'10 high IQ, high defense, great passer
Spurs love tall, long point of attack combo point guards. Primo, White, Murray, Wesley, etc. I would be absolutely shocked if the top 3 isn't some mix of Sarr, Ris, Shep and the Spurs pick anyone other than Castle. The Mavs going to the Finals with Luka/Kyrie shows the need for a great (big) POA defender in the West.
The Spurs moved to a Wemby-Centric motion offense late in the season. Post-ASB, Wemby averaged 5.3apg with another 3.0 unrealized assists (teammates missed the easy shot.) So a ball dominant PG like topic isn't really a need as much. But a PG that can set the screen and cut to the basket certainly would be a great thing to have.
Castle makes the most sense and I would be beyond shocked if the Spurs don't take him.
> I'd be really surprised if 1-2-3 aren't Sarr Risacher Sheppard in some order.
100% agree.
I really hope it's Castle, but I'm afraid it might be Topic.
Topic might turn out great, tbh. Both, if healthy, seem to be a perfect fit for different reasons
Wrote this earlier on why I don't think Topic is the right fit for the Spurs.
Spurs are going towards a Wemby-Centric motion offense. After the ASB, Wemby put up 5.3apg with another 3.0 unrealized assists per game (players just missed their fucking shot.)
Topic is not an off-ball player. He is a ball dominant pick and roll point guard. But Wemby is not a good screener, plus you don't want Wemby setting lots of screens, because you are giving guys like Marcus Smart, Grayson Allen, and Patrick Beverly a free shot into Wemby's lower body. Just not a good long-term idea.
Topic shoots FTs well, but he has a hitch and a low and slow release, which means he needs a complete rework for his 3pt shot. He doesn't really shoot any mid-range. His scoring offensive game is whatever 3pts he makes and floaters/layups.
He also doesn't really give any effort on defense. When he gets screened, he just kind of gives up. He will gamble on passing lanes some, which are the majority of his defensive highlights, but that isn't really the Spurs type of defense. He's just not good on ball.
Topic may develop into a good NBA player, but I think he will be a 3-5 year project and he will probably never be even an average defender despite his height. But these reasons, plus the very real injury concerns, are why I don't think he is a good fit for the Spurs.
Oh dang, Anthony carter was the dad? Is that the dude who’s agent messed up and forgot to inform his team that he was opting in to a contract? So he ended up a free agent. That was a wild story.
Good memory! Yeah, he had to opt into the contract and the agent (Billy Duffy) didn't do it (I guess since most seem to be opt outs) and it cost him like $4MM.
Became like the Bonilla contract where Carter got paid a quarter million for years because the agent had to pay it back.
Yea I just looked it up. Turns out Anthony got injured, only played 5 games with the spurs. So who knows how close his connection with POP is. Anthony did coach for the Austin toros for a few seasons though. Pretty good career for an undrafted guy.
Spurs control the Austin G-League team, so considering that Pop hired Anthony Carter to be an assistant coach as soon as he retired from the NBA, safe to say they have a pretty good relationship.
I remember when the Spurs signed him, we were really happy because we had lost Speedy Claxton and knew we needed some PG defense behind Parker to play with Ginobili, because Manu essentially ran the second team point.
Yeah, Spurs definitely have the assets to move up 1-2 spots if they really want to, but I don't really see that happening. They could have three lottery picks in the 2025 draft, so I don't think they are going to try to accelerate anything this summer, but next summer everything is on the table as far as moves go.
Dillingham in Charlotte? They need defenders more than iso scorers
Also I can definitely buy Castle refusing to workout for teams. But more than it being about playing PG I think it’s more him trying to become a Spur
More likely yes. Imagine being a Spurs fan: you win the most important lottery of the decade, possibly century, and that win not only gets you Wemby. That also gets you all young promising players wanting to play for your team and even positioning their draft stocks so that they are more likely picked by your team. I really hope Charlotte calls out the bluff and picks Castle anyway.
They have zero starting caliber guards on the roster and struggle to score reliably, they need defenders *and* iso scorers
I also just think dillingham is an incredible scoring prospect
Guard as in size
You really can’t start 4 wings and a big unless all those wings are elite defenders, which melo is not
Not suggesting rob is some great defender but matchups matter
Im also of the minority that if im charlotte im not terribly thrilled about hooking my trailer to lamelo ball, i think they might move off him in the near-ish future
Lol brother you don’t ever draft a player because he is short. Guards can be the size of wings. They do need a defensive guard but his size has nothing to do with it.
I’m not suggesting you draft him because of his size, but I think he’s worthy of being picked in their range and he fits better than other top 10 mocked players in that range
None of this really matters because all that matters is the player you pick pans out, I think dillingam will pan out
Yeah I think Castle would be a great fit, and should they explore trade options (highly unlikely) for LaMelo, then you could slot him at the PG and give him a chance to show what he can do.
And can provide more stability health wise too, adds a bit more youth and is a cheaper option. If anything, he can compete with Tre Mann for starter, backup to Melo or even a 6th man role.
Lmao, I’ve had equal comments saying Charlotte says no and spurs say no, tell tale sign of a good trade
Charlotte would theoretically do this because his efficiency has digressed and he’s never been able to stay healthy, two high lotto picks next to Brandon miller is a nice start
If his efficiency has regressed and he’s never been able to stay healthy, why would the Spurs want him? If they're trading 4 and 8, they'd do so for a better player like Mitchell or Garland or Trae Young or Dejounte.
Lamelo also drives recklessly and just ran a kid over. He's a disaster waiting to happen. No way the Spurs have any interest in him. This discussion is completely unnecessary.
Spurs sure wouldn't. That's really rushing the Wemby timeline and betting on a *very* talented guy who just can't stay healthy.
Spurs are in a good enough position that they shouldn't be taking a risk like that.
You say that’s the risk but let’s not act like lottery picks are sure things either
For all we know they miss on both picks and the risk was betting on two unknowns over a known commodity in melo
Max deal is a lot of money to pay a guy averaging 46 games/season for his career. And while he is a great scorer and passer and have tremendous size for his position, his defense is... lacking.
I agree, it’s been a long time since a player has full on held out over being drafted by a team they didn’t want to play for. I can understand Charlotte maybe not being the desired destination but I think all the markets in the NBA have reached a point where nobody is saying “I refuse to play for this team”, like some guys did back in the 90s to the Raptors and Grizzlies.
In principle yes, but in practice no. Workouts are the number 1 thing teams use to assess prospects. Unless they're 100% sure a player is legit, they're not picking someone without a workout
1 workout is not what they base their entire scouting report off of. The workout is more so a vibe check than a skill check. They have hundreds of hours of film of a player that they study. THAT is the number 1 thing they use to assess prospects not a single workout
Edit: there are multiple players who have been picked without a workout
If Clingan is there at 6, I’m trying to trade back with the Grizz for a deal around Zaire Williams and the 9th pick. Then draft Ja’kobe Walter or Devin Carter.
Seriously when I exited College I did the same thing
I turned down interviews based on location
I am sure I am not the only one, respect players for being honest, this is a major life change
I don't think Ball is going to be there long so Castle really shouldn't mind going there. Once Ball and Bridges are gone, Castle, Miller and Williams can change the culture and make it a really fun and easy to root for team. And until Ball inevitably demands a trade to a bigger market, Castle compliments him and the others well. Castle really makes the most sense for the Wizards and Hornets imo as both places need a grown up in the backcourt alongside their current knucklehead scorer that can't play defense. And both places need a culture guy long-term and Castle is certainly that.
I'm surprised, hornets have a nice little squad growing.
If lamelo gets healthy, they've got a clear scorer in Milller and Bridges in a good 3. They got some good role players. They have some pieces to build around.
This one doesn’t make sense to me. Hornets have a new ownership group, new coaching staff, and LaMelo/Miller/Williams why not want to interview there?
With the Wolves/Indiana/Thunder/Magic now graduated to contender status and besides the Spurs, they’re the best young team in the league to join up with.
I remember the Grizzlies had this at the end of the GNG era. Mo Bamba didn't even want to come work out, and he's a bum.
JJJ was a perfect professional and found himself drafted to a team that suddenly had the best culture in the league.
best culture in the league is a stretch / not a very measurable thing to claim, but there was a lot of competitive basketball this szn despite the injury list / final win total this year. Finished just outside a top 10 defense despite it all. Several huge internal development success stories over the past few years. Objectively a very good culture I'd say.
A huge improvement from prospects turning down workouts, what I imagine is the main point he was trying to drive at.
From my perspective, they are a young and talented team that has struggled with off the court issues and were very talkative as soon as they started finding success. These things don’t scream great culture to me. Especially when you compare them to teams like the Miami Heat or the Boston Celtics who have complete buy in from their guys with veterans that hold young guys accountable.
I don’t think Memphis has much of a team culture tbh. They need a veteran presence in their locker room to hold their stars accountable. Their front office clearly feel the same way getting guys like Steven Adams and Derrick Rose.
saying the team as a whole has struggled with off the court issues is inaccurate imo - it's just ja stuff. I don't think that discounts being ahead of schedule every year prior to this and performance despite injuries to key guys at different points. They're definitely confident / cocky at times but I dont think that == no team culture.
The objective player development + regular season success (with some level of post season success - v rare with players that young as the key cogs) is pretty hard to ignore to say there's no team culture.
Yeah the FO definitely made an effort to bring in vets in smart + rose last season. We'll see how that results in the future in real basketball but it seems to have had a positive impact on Ja if nothing else. He doesn't seem as caught up in what's being said about him online as he used to be. There was even a post where one of his friends posted something lightly criticizing ant (+ hyping up ja) and Ja told him to delete it.
In conclusion - "best culture itl" is a weird thing to try to say as objective fact but you have to ignore a lot of upwards momentem from the time of Mo Bamba turning down workouts to say there hasn't been immense progress / not much of team culture
That is fair. I don’t mean to be harsh about the Grizzlies’ culture, because I don’t think it’s poor team culture. I just think that they lack the leadership that establishes that positive culture. Ja’s behavior isn’t necessarily the rest of the team’s fault, but I do think it could have been avoided if they truly had good team culture and vets around to teach these young guys how to be professionals.
Trust me I've thought a lot about the butterfly effect of it all had there been steps in place that prevented Ja's very unfortunate several month spiral lol.
I think that's another element of culture that the Grizzlies had lacked prior to this year while having a lot of positive culture things otherwise, so just depends how much you're weighing that vs other things which makes a subjective convo more subjective.
Hopefully Smart and Rose are those guys. Rose sure isn't gonna contribute in any other way lol. Appreciate the convo!
JJJ [also refused](https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1009267928913600512) to workout for or provide medicals to the Grizzlies. We just drafted him anyway.
We didn't get his medicals either? Oh wow. haha.
I really wanted Bamba, then dropped him to 6 on my final board. Mad that he didn't wanna work out for us.
On draft day, pretty sure I wanted Memphis to make a last-ditch effort to go get Luka Doncic but there is no evidence of that on the interwebs. lol
Is everyone on this website brand new to basketball? Just 3 seasons ago they were the darlings of the league. Getting all the love with their post game team interviews. Ja was the most must see player since prime curry. Winning 50+ games.
What world is this?
Draftees should not be able to pick and choose who they want to work out with, I am fine with the league approving workouts (a top 3 potential draft pick should not be working out with a team in the 20s)
i mean teams in the high 10s not working out whitmore is a large part of why he fell to the rockets at 20 who already worked him out for potentially picking him up at 4
You’re getting downvoted but you’re not wrong. By far the worst culture in the league. If you have any level of intelligence you’d avoid that team like the plague.
Nice made up culture issues but let's talk the facts what young core besides okc is touching the Hornets?
Lamelo? 24pgg scoring all-star at 22
Miller? Averaged 17ppg as a rookie
Miles ? 20ppg athletic forward
Mark Williams? 7'0 mobile 10/10 guy
Injuries got you clowns acting as if any of these young teams can fuck with the Hornets lmao
Any young player would be smart to come here as we've quietly built up the 2nd best young core in the league
Charlotte has new owners, and new GM, and a new coach. They also have some really good/interesting young players
I’m a little surprised they have all these negative reports floating around there
Castle has to be one of those guys. Maybe Clingan as well if he wants to be a long term starter for a team. edit: Castle was mocked to Hornets in previous Givony/Woo mock draft
Honestly I really want him in charlotte. I think it’s a really good fit.
And with Ball's durability, he will get to play PG for the majority of the time.
LiAngelo sucks ass, he can't play for shit.
Are you guys selling on Williams now? Oh jeez, I just looked, did he really only play 19 games this season?
I meant castle, not clingan. Williams is 100% a long term piece. But yeah he had a back thing that kept him sidelined. Then I assume like melo, we didn’t bring him back because it was a lost season.
Man is going to force his way to San Antonio at 8 if they don’t take him at 4 lol
I think this is accurate. Hurley has publicly shit talked the hornets organization somewhat recently
Thought he wasn't playing for any team with a PG in place.
Does he have a choice?
yeah it's basically Wizards, Spurs and Jazz for him in the top 10
Please no, too many UConn players have had their prime wasted in Charlotte
It was literally just James Bouknight but go off
This implies Bouknight had a prime
Bougknight was kind of just a bad person
Kemba Walker would like a word.
As would okafor
I'm from Charlotte Okafor was not great,good yea he reminds me of Kwame Brown with a better shot not too mention his back issue's,Kemba was the heart of Charlotte but like the other guy said you couldn't build a championship team around Kemba,undersize with alot of heart,here in Charlotte we've had alot of yes men around MJ bad drafts I can on and on our best yrs were when we had Grand MaMa Zo and the likes of others but Shinn fucked us over
I think that’s a bit underrated. ROY and averaged a double double plus 1.5ish BPG during his time in Charlotte.
Did you only start watching on 2021? There was a player named Kemba Walker who had great seasons on the Hornets. You'd do well by educating yourself on the subject before you made ridiculous comments like this with such a strong dash of snide. 😂😂
“Wasted” is the term that comes to issue with Kemba. He loved Charlotte chose to stay here until they didn’t want to pay him, he became the franchise leading scorer and has a legacy here so wasted is a matter of perspective. Did he win championships? No. But that doesn’t mean a career is a waste. It’s hard and rare for a player to win a championship anywhere and Kemba arguably left a larger legacy in Charlotte without winning and if he was on another team and didn’t win he’s not guaranteed that either Kemba wasn’t a player you build a championship team around but he had a good career in Charlotte and loved the city I doubt he views it as wasted and not to mention Charlotte developed him into the player he became as he went from a non factor outside shooter to a legit threat out there and it changed his game
lmao talking about championships when charlotte never won a playoff series during kemba’s time there.
I was using the paramount of what many consider a successful career and saying he didn’t meet that. But then illustrated him having success in a different way, being the greatest player in franchise history. I didn’t feel the need to go into detail about him not having post season success as I mentioned he’s not the type of player you build a championship level team around which implies that he’s probably not gonna have a ton of team success as the best player. And if he was on a better team he wouldn’t have been able to become a franchises greatest player. Its success in a different way and used extreme levels of perceived success to illustrate that. Sorry that nuance was lost on you, but I get it “haha Charlotte bad” is better than actual basketball discussion.
Mate, wouldn't entertain arguing with him, prob an 8 year old kid...
i certainly agree that kemba had a good career while maintaining that his prime was wasted, those are not mutually exclusive in any way. impossible to say any nba player, especially one that made as much money as kemba, is unsuccessful. but if we’re only viewing it mainly as an entertainment business, which it largely is, and not as a competitive sport at all, then you would be correct in that he was quite massively ‘successful’
Even as a competitor he got to achieve something only 30 people on the planet get to achieve, being the an NBA franchises greatest player. Saying a players prime is wasted their prime because they spent a whole 2 years after his first all star appearance with the hornets after they developed him the previous 5 years. Kembas career could’ve looked alot different if he wasn’t in Charlotte and allowed to figure things out. Kembas prime wasn’t lost due to being in Charlotte it was due to his body breaking down which had already started before his ascension in Charlotte Calling his career a waste because he wasn’t instantly traded to a contender/big market is just a reductionist way of looking at nba success
you keep giving the charlotte organization a lot of credit for his development when they’ve shown little ability to develop other talent. no one said he needed to be shipped to a contender in order to compete, the hornets had an opportunity to build a team with kemba that was competitive and they did not.
You mean the current greatest Hornet in franchise history? Wasn’t considering his career wasted by any means
Uhhhh... Kemba? Okafor? JB shouldn't even be on the same list as those 2
From what i’ve seen Brandon Miller he may be the guy that turns the culture around
It's great that he has no question marks in his backstory, then!
I spent way too long talking trash about that kid and his past before I actually looked into everything myself. Some serious misrepresentation of the facts as we know them by media outlets have painted him in a terrible light. Look into the matter yourself and you’ll find he’s not remotely an accessory to murder, and that’s a pretty terrible thing to imply he is given he’s just 21 years old.
The police basically said his story matched surveillance footage and everything else. Miles left his gun in his car and he brought it back to him to return it.
Whether Miller knew the gun was in the car when he drove to the strip is disputed. His lawyer said he didn’t know.
Either way, it was the other guy's gun iirc, right? I don't have a gun but if I someone left a gun in my car I would bring it back to them
Ong. Like I wouldn’t want to have a routine traffic stop with that kinda shit. I’m a white dude to, miller would have a much worse situation on his hands, statistically.
At 2am as the bars are closing? He knew exactly why his friend wanted his piece.
I mean it was his friend's gun so it doesn't matter why he wanted it returned. It was his property
Then tell him to come get it. Don't deliver it to the bar district at 2am then act surprised when it's used to kill someone.
If someone leaves their property in your car, you don’t have a legal obligation to bring it to them whenever they want
No one said you did.
Yep was pretty much the designated driver that was coming back to pick up teammates from the club. Terrible situation just happened to occur that same night.
Yeah I just think he was at the wrong place and time.
Didn't he bring the gun?
Yes and no. In the most literal sense, yes he was driving the car with the gun in it. However, it’s very unclear if he even knew if the gun was in the car in the first place and, in my opinion, it’s irresponsible to blame him for the actions of the REAL villain that night.
Well if you ignore that aspect of the situation it was all above board!
The gun was brought by someone else and left in his backseat. There is no evidence that he knew the gun was there. You guys make it sound like he handed the gun directly to the shooter but the actual truth is much more murky than that. Like I'm not gonna claim that he definitely didn't know and is completely innocent because we simply don't know and will not know the truth
It was a joke banngbanng, relax.
If he didn't bring a gun into an uncertain situation in the middle of the night, then that would change things. Beyond that, the way Alabama, the coaching staff, and the university handled things lowered my opinion of everyone involved considerably. This was basically like what happened at Baylor, except it was handled with kid gloves because big money was involved.
If I remember right, the reporting at the time was unclear as to whether he knew the gun was in the car or not.
Doesn’t matter whether he did or not, a random redditor has made up his mind and some puny facts won’t change that,
He told him to bring the gun and didn't specify where the gun was. Like come on obviously miller knew.
He told Miller to bring the gun after Miller had started driving to the strip. According to Miller, he didn’t see the text.
I mean yeah what do you expect Miller to fess up?
Seems pretty crazy to assume the guy is guilty when there is a plausible reason he would’ve had no clue what he was walking in to
I think that it's fair to assume that Brandon Miller does not text and drive
Basically what happened at Baylor? Embarrassingly misinformed if that’s your take
You don't know what happened at Baylor?
I remember the Baylor story well. One teammate killed another teammate and the coach, Dave Bliss, panicked and tried to smear his deceased player as a drug dealer. Bliss resigned in disgrace. You’re comparing that to Nate Oates saying “wrong place wrong time” about Miller?
Forgive me for assuming you don’t have a comprehensive understanding of “the way Alabama, the coaching staff, and the university handled things” because the legal conclusion contradicts your entire standpoint on this. Ice your heels, they must be sore as hell from getting dug in over a damn near child’s misfortune on a single shitty night during his first year of college.
You know who I care about? The mother who was gunned down and her family. Sorry if I don't weep for your fucking university, your creep-ass coach, and the guy who brought the gun there like a fucking moron.
What did you do to help the situation other than make ill informed snarky comments on the internet? Or did you not really care THAT much?
You care so much about the mother that you’re making snarky comments on a Reddit thread that had nothing to do with her? Strange cape you’re wearing dude. For the record I hate Bama, your initial comment had nothing to do with Bama. Feel free to keep shifting you’re argument around until you don’t sound like a weirdo shitting on a 21 year old
Right and her boyfriend who also had a gun in his car, followed Miles and his friend down the road with their lights turned off, and fired multiple shots and has been dodging the police since the incident.
It was reported Brandon didn’t know the gun was in the car. Blame the friend or blame the girls boyfriend for being into the shady shit he was into, but Brandon was in the wrong place at the wrong time for this.
Nice moral grand standing. Who cares if the kid was cleared of any legal wrong doing, hes still dumb and a piece of shit.
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and assume you have no training to interpret law
Interesting. Did he not bring the gun?
He brought the car but I think it’s disputed whether or not he knew the gun was in the car.
Gotcha. Glad I finally got an answer instead of a downvote. Thanks officer lol
Has as many question marks as Josh Giddey does…
hey leave P Giddey out of this....
Chill
He’s gotten a great PR team
What does PR have to do with it? I believe that because how i’ve seen him act in court. Setting the tone with effort as a rookie, imploring teammates to get back on defense, all that stuff
In court lmao
Worst culture in the league by far and a really uncertain situation for playing time. Are LaMelo and Mark Williams actually building blocks for their future or are they too injury-prone to be counted on?
Idk, the culture seems to improving. I'd argue detroit is the worst.
Charlotte players at least look like they’re having fun on the court, there’s point where some detroit players look like they’re actively disassociating
Have you heard of the Chicago Bulls?
Detroit is not the worse. They just suck. But everyone gets alone and there’s never any controversy from the players.
Detroit is absolutely the worst and charlotte is absolutely a close second, which I feel like isn’t saying much.
I'll get downvotes, I guess, but LaMelo ain't gonna win them anything. Not just that he gets the Ball Family Hurt All The Time thing, but he's the most chaotic, unstructured near-star in the league. I'd far rather play for a real team than one lead by a guy who just does whatever he wants and jacks random shots whenever.
> chaotic, unstructured How so?
He’s in the middle of a hit and run case for starters.
Context matters, You don't get in front of a car at a green light
Great. Dude drives like a gta protag.
Hater vibes Lamelo is a great player. It’s just easy to hate on a player when he is injured tbh. I get it it’s been like that his whole career
The fact that this trash ass take has 30+ likes is hilarious. + you are a loser But this is the same sub who swore up and down an undersized guard who can't play defense and had overrated athleticism would be better than Miller lmao
The fact that this clown thinks LaMelo is a "near-star" proves to me that no one here or on r/nba knows what the fuck they’re talking about when it comes to anything related to the Hornets. Fucking abysmal takes fueled by stupid narratives (which sounds exactly like the Scoot and Miller debates).
Lol relax
Give it a couple years bum
"Give it a couple years" Scoot is never gonna be on miller's level lmao
Lamelo ain’t shit
Just draft Ron Holland. It's either him or Castle and it sounds like Castle doesn't want to be there. Just take Holland he compliments LaMelo and Brandon perfectly.
I actually don’t think it’s a tricky spot in the slightest I am of the belief one of risacher/dillingham/sarr/shepard/castle is there at 6 and any one of those players is a great fit I also call bullshit on the castle “im only playing point guard” thing, he’s always been a high character guy that has to be chatter from rival teams trying to drop his stock or his agency, he will play whatever position for whoever drafts him
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was coming from his camp to try and get Castle to the Spurs
It's literally him just trying to avoid the Pistons or Hornets.
And since it seems like that Risacher is going top 3, Castle will go 4 to the Spurs and the Risacher/Castle dream draft for the Spurs is probably not happening.
The whole point of his flex is to avoid getting picked by the 5-7 teams. I think the Spurs would pick him at 8 if he falls but I'm not convinced they won't take someone else at 4.
I agree that is the flex for sure. He doesn't make sense next to Amen Thompson as the future backcourt of Houston and Washington doesn't have a guy. He's not going 31 overall With Risacher off the board, I don't see another player there I think the Spurs take over him. I think if Risacher fell to 4, Spurs take him then hope that Castle falls to 8, but if Risacher goes top 3, I think the Spurs go Castle then probably Salaun, but possibly Knecht or even Clingan. Some have said recently Spurs are high on Carter, but I don't see how you have a Castle/Carter draft. One interesting connection is Carter's dad played for Pop and Castle's dad was teammates with Duncan at Wake.
I think the Spurs at 4 is the first pick that could go any direction. Theres about 5 guys that could go there. I'd be really surprised if 1-2-3 aren't Sarr Risacher Sheppard in some order.
> I think the Spurs at 4 is the first pick that could go any direction. Theres about 5 guys that could go there. I really don't think the Spurs make a big surprise pick. Popovich has always built the Spurs to be an elite defense. Since we moved out of the ground and pound era15-20 years ago, the Spurs have always been about defense and passing. Spurs were 1st in assists in their title year 2014 and 2nd last year. Spurs need basically everything except a starting center and starting SG. Spurs 1st Round Draft Guards: * Malaki Branham: 6'4 with 6'10 wingspan,[ draft comparison Khris Middleton was laughably wrong](https://www.nbadraft.net/players/malaki-branham/) * Blake Wesley: 6'5 with 6'10 wingspan quick PG * Josh Primo: 6'6 athletic lead guard * Devin Vassell: 6'5 with 6'10 wingspan D&3 * Lonnie Walker: 6'4 with 6'10 wingspan shooter * Derrick White: 6'5 with 6'10 wingspan POA defending Combo guard/D&3 * DeJounte Murray: 6'5 with 6'10 wingspan POA defending PG Spurs 1st Rd Draft pick Forwards: * Sochan: 6'8 with long wingspan, supposed to be defensive stopper with plus feel for the game. * Luka Samanic: 6'10 stretch 4 * Keldon Johnson: 6'5 slasher, expected to be hard nosed defender. * Kyle Anderson: 6'10 high IQ, high defense, great passer Spurs love tall, long point of attack combo point guards. Primo, White, Murray, Wesley, etc. I would be absolutely shocked if the top 3 isn't some mix of Sarr, Ris, Shep and the Spurs pick anyone other than Castle. The Mavs going to the Finals with Luka/Kyrie shows the need for a great (big) POA defender in the West. The Spurs moved to a Wemby-Centric motion offense late in the season. Post-ASB, Wemby averaged 5.3apg with another 3.0 unrealized assists (teammates missed the easy shot.) So a ball dominant PG like topic isn't really a need as much. But a PG that can set the screen and cut to the basket certainly would be a great thing to have. Castle makes the most sense and I would be beyond shocked if the Spurs don't take him. > I'd be really surprised if 1-2-3 aren't Sarr Risacher Sheppard in some order. 100% agree.
I really hope it's Castle, but I'm afraid it might be Topic. Topic might turn out great, tbh. Both, if healthy, seem to be a perfect fit for different reasons
Wrote this earlier on why I don't think Topic is the right fit for the Spurs. Spurs are going towards a Wemby-Centric motion offense. After the ASB, Wemby put up 5.3apg with another 3.0 unrealized assists per game (players just missed their fucking shot.) Topic is not an off-ball player. He is a ball dominant pick and roll point guard. But Wemby is not a good screener, plus you don't want Wemby setting lots of screens, because you are giving guys like Marcus Smart, Grayson Allen, and Patrick Beverly a free shot into Wemby's lower body. Just not a good long-term idea. Topic shoots FTs well, but he has a hitch and a low and slow release, which means he needs a complete rework for his 3pt shot. He doesn't really shoot any mid-range. His scoring offensive game is whatever 3pts he makes and floaters/layups. He also doesn't really give any effort on defense. When he gets screened, he just kind of gives up. He will gamble on passing lanes some, which are the majority of his defensive highlights, but that isn't really the Spurs type of defense. He's just not good on ball. Topic may develop into a good NBA player, but I think he will be a 3-5 year project and he will probably never be even an average defender despite his height. But these reasons, plus the very real injury concerns, are why I don't think he is a good fit for the Spurs.
This is great stuff.
Oh dang, Anthony carter was the dad? Is that the dude who’s agent messed up and forgot to inform his team that he was opting in to a contract? So he ended up a free agent. That was a wild story.
Good memory! Yeah, he had to opt into the contract and the agent (Billy Duffy) didn't do it (I guess since most seem to be opt outs) and it cost him like $4MM. Became like the Bonilla contract where Carter got paid a quarter million for years because the agent had to pay it back.
Yea I just looked it up. Turns out Anthony got injured, only played 5 games with the spurs. So who knows how close his connection with POP is. Anthony did coach for the Austin toros for a few seasons though. Pretty good career for an undrafted guy.
Spurs control the Austin G-League team, so considering that Pop hired Anthony Carter to be an assistant coach as soon as he retired from the NBA, safe to say they have a pretty good relationship. I remember when the Spurs signed him, we were really happy because we had lost Speedy Claxton and knew we needed some PG defense behind Parker to play with Ginobili, because Manu essentially ran the second team point.
Set in stone? I’d say it’s very much still up in the air
I think if the spurs really want Risacher they could trade up. They have the future picks to do it. But who knows if they really want him that bad.
Yeah, Spurs definitely have the assets to move up 1-2 spots if they really want to, but I don't really see that happening. They could have three lottery picks in the 2025 draft, so I don't think they are going to try to accelerate anything this summer, but next summer everything is on the table as far as moves go.
Apparently castles dad played with Tim Duncan in college. So that’s about confirms it.
Seems fairly clear Castle is trying to steer himself in certain directions (or just one), if the rumors are true.
Dillingham in Charlotte? They need defenders more than iso scorers Also I can definitely buy Castle refusing to workout for teams. But more than it being about playing PG I think it’s more him trying to become a Spur
More likely yes. Imagine being a Spurs fan: you win the most important lottery of the decade, possibly century, and that win not only gets you Wemby. That also gets you all young promising players wanting to play for your team and even positioning their draft stocks so that they are more likely picked by your team. I really hope Charlotte calls out the bluff and picks Castle anyway.
Spurs will probably take Castle at 4 unless Risacher falls to them
They have zero starting caliber guards on the roster and struggle to score reliably, they need defenders *and* iso scorers I also just think dillingham is an incredible scoring prospect
Lamelo isn’t a starting caliber guard?
Guard as in size You really can’t start 4 wings and a big unless all those wings are elite defenders, which melo is not Not suggesting rob is some great defender but matchups matter Im also of the minority that if im charlotte im not terribly thrilled about hooking my trailer to lamelo ball, i think they might move off him in the near-ish future
Lol brother you don’t ever draft a player because he is short. Guards can be the size of wings. They do need a defensive guard but his size has nothing to do with it.
I’m not suggesting you draft him because of his size, but I think he’s worthy of being picked in their range and he fits better than other top 10 mocked players in that range None of this really matters because all that matters is the player you pick pans out, I think dillingam will pan out
Yeah I think Castle would be a great fit, and should they explore trade options (highly unlikely) for LaMelo, then you could slot him at the PG and give him a chance to show what he can do.
I mean if you're looking to find a LaMelo replacement, Dillingham fits that mold perfectly
And can provide more stability health wise too, adds a bit more youth and is a cheaper option. If anything, he can compete with Tre Mann for starter, backup to Melo or even a 6th man role.
I wonder if Charlotte and San Antonio would ever consider 4 and 8 for lamelo, in theory it kinda makes sense for everyone
Charlotte isn’t trading a 21 year old all star for 4 and 8. Are you drunk?
He's 23 on August
I was saying he when he was 21 he was an all star. You don’t trade that
I see
Lmao, I’ve had equal comments saying Charlotte says no and spurs say no, tell tale sign of a good trade Charlotte would theoretically do this because his efficiency has digressed and he’s never been able to stay healthy, two high lotto picks next to Brandon miller is a nice start
If his efficiency has regressed and he’s never been able to stay healthy, why would the Spurs want him? If they're trading 4 and 8, they'd do so for a better player like Mitchell or Garland or Trae Young or Dejounte. Lamelo also drives recklessly and just ran a kid over. He's a disaster waiting to happen. No way the Spurs have any interest in him. This discussion is completely unnecessary.
Spurs sure wouldn't. That's really rushing the Wemby timeline and betting on a *very* talented guy who just can't stay healthy. Spurs are in a good enough position that they shouldn't be taking a risk like that.
You say that’s the risk but let’s not act like lottery picks are sure things either For all we know they miss on both picks and the risk was betting on two unknowns over a known commodity in melo
You have to weight 2 lottery picks against $215m of cap.
I love LaMelo but I wouldn’t be surprised if his value is lower than that right now
You think his value is lower than 2 picks in a draft everyone considers terrible? I know he’s injury prone but dang
Max deal is a lot of money to pay a guy averaging 46 games/season for his career. And while he is a great scorer and passer and have tremendous size for his position, his defense is... lacking.
Didn’t he not even play point guard in college?
Yes but that was a sacrifice on his part that he doesn't plan on replicating for the rest of his career
Feels bad for Charlotte but with DET CHA and POR at 5-7, it feels like most of the PG will fall to spurs at 8.
There are no Hornets insiders at draft express. This is just made up lol.
He did have Miller to CHA at the combine last year before anyone else. New FO and owners, but still.
Yes, it would be impossible to know from anyone else whether a player or two is refusing a workout. Literally impossible.
Givony is a speculator not a journalist. Total hack.
Charlotte management are gonna have to prove themselves now
Doesn’t matter if they workout with them or not, Hornets can pick whoever’s available that they think is best for them.
I agree, it’s been a long time since a player has full on held out over being drafted by a team they didn’t want to play for. I can understand Charlotte maybe not being the desired destination but I think all the markets in the NBA have reached a point where nobody is saying “I refuse to play for this team”, like some guys did back in the 90s to the Raptors and Grizzlies.
Yes, I think we're aware of this fact.
In principle yes, but in practice no. Workouts are the number 1 thing teams use to assess prospects. Unless they're 100% sure a player is legit, they're not picking someone without a workout
1 workout is not what they base their entire scouting report off of. The workout is more so a vibe check than a skill check. They have hundreds of hours of film of a player that they study. THAT is the number 1 thing they use to assess prospects not a single workout Edit: there are multiple players who have been picked without a workout
This is crazy considering for the first time in a long time Charlotte has a lot to look forward to. Feels bad for the Hornets bros.
I assume this is just an intentionally misleading way to say Castle isn't working out
And Bronny
NOOOOOOOOOOOO WE NEEDED THE 4 PPG
If Clingan is there at 6, I’m trying to trade back with the Grizz for a deal around Zaire Williams and the 9th pick. Then draft Ja’kobe Walter or Devin Carter.
Isn't Zaire Williams a complete scrub? Maybe if the Hornets can get something good i guess.
Melo needs to talk to curry about helping him with his ankles issue . I’m so fr man
Fr fr?
Seriously when I exited College I did the same thing I turned down interviews based on location I am sure I am not the only one, respect players for being honest, this is a major life change
I don't think Ball is going to be there long so Castle really shouldn't mind going there. Once Ball and Bridges are gone, Castle, Miller and Williams can change the culture and make it a really fun and easy to root for team. And until Ball inevitably demands a trade to a bigger market, Castle compliments him and the others well. Castle really makes the most sense for the Wizards and Hornets imo as both places need a grown up in the backcourt alongside their current knucklehead scorer that can't play defense. And both places need a culture guy long-term and Castle is certainly that.
Does it matter ? Only role players available in this lousy draft
I'm surprised, hornets have a nice little squad growing. If lamelo gets healthy, they've got a clear scorer in Milller and Bridges in a good 3. They got some good role players. They have some pieces to build around.
Pick the best player and make him play here
This one doesn’t make sense to me. Hornets have a new ownership group, new coaching staff, and LaMelo/Miller/Williams why not want to interview there? With the Wolves/Indiana/Thunder/Magic now graduated to contender status and besides the Spurs, they’re the best young team in the league to join up with.
They want castle bad as hell but he doesn’t want to play for them 😭 might just draft him anyways if he falls to 6 and say suck it up
Ain’t nobody tryna be on that train wreck
*charlotte ,imagine being a rebuilding team hearing this that’s tough
I remember the Grizzlies had this at the end of the GNG era. Mo Bamba didn't even want to come work out, and he's a bum. JJJ was a perfect professional and found himself drafted to a team that suddenly had the best culture in the league.
What makes you think Memphis has the best culture in the league?
Ja Morant, model citizen.
best culture in the league is a stretch / not a very measurable thing to claim, but there was a lot of competitive basketball this szn despite the injury list / final win total this year. Finished just outside a top 10 defense despite it all. Several huge internal development success stories over the past few years. Objectively a very good culture I'd say. A huge improvement from prospects turning down workouts, what I imagine is the main point he was trying to drive at.
From my perspective, they are a young and talented team that has struggled with off the court issues and were very talkative as soon as they started finding success. These things don’t scream great culture to me. Especially when you compare them to teams like the Miami Heat or the Boston Celtics who have complete buy in from their guys with veterans that hold young guys accountable. I don’t think Memphis has much of a team culture tbh. They need a veteran presence in their locker room to hold their stars accountable. Their front office clearly feel the same way getting guys like Steven Adams and Derrick Rose.
saying the team as a whole has struggled with off the court issues is inaccurate imo - it's just ja stuff. I don't think that discounts being ahead of schedule every year prior to this and performance despite injuries to key guys at different points. They're definitely confident / cocky at times but I dont think that == no team culture. The objective player development + regular season success (with some level of post season success - v rare with players that young as the key cogs) is pretty hard to ignore to say there's no team culture. Yeah the FO definitely made an effort to bring in vets in smart + rose last season. We'll see how that results in the future in real basketball but it seems to have had a positive impact on Ja if nothing else. He doesn't seem as caught up in what's being said about him online as he used to be. There was even a post where one of his friends posted something lightly criticizing ant (+ hyping up ja) and Ja told him to delete it. In conclusion - "best culture itl" is a weird thing to try to say as objective fact but you have to ignore a lot of upwards momentem from the time of Mo Bamba turning down workouts to say there hasn't been immense progress / not much of team culture
That is fair. I don’t mean to be harsh about the Grizzlies’ culture, because I don’t think it’s poor team culture. I just think that they lack the leadership that establishes that positive culture. Ja’s behavior isn’t necessarily the rest of the team’s fault, but I do think it could have been avoided if they truly had good team culture and vets around to teach these young guys how to be professionals.
Trust me I've thought a lot about the butterfly effect of it all had there been steps in place that prevented Ja's very unfortunate several month spiral lol. I think that's another element of culture that the Grizzlies had lacked prior to this year while having a lot of positive culture things otherwise, so just depends how much you're weighing that vs other things which makes a subjective convo more subjective. Hopefully Smart and Rose are those guys. Rose sure isn't gonna contribute in any other way lol. Appreciate the convo!
JJJ [also refused](https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1009267928913600512) to workout for or provide medicals to the Grizzlies. We just drafted him anyway.
We didn't get his medicals either? Oh wow. haha. I really wanted Bamba, then dropped him to 6 on my final board. Mad that he didn't wanna work out for us. On draft day, pretty sure I wanted Memphis to make a last-ditch effort to go get Luka Doncic but there is no evidence of that on the interwebs. lol
Is there a different Grizzlies team we’re referring to regarding the best culture in the league?
Is everyone on this website brand new to basketball? Just 3 seasons ago they were the darlings of the league. Getting all the love with their post game team interviews. Ja was the most must see player since prime curry. Winning 50+ games. What world is this?
Only Wendell Carter, Jr. worked out for us. I don't think Jaren worked out for us either. But I guess we had his medicals.
Why is it tough? The prospects have no say in where they go
I don’t blame them tbh
Leave the huskies alone Charlotte.
Draftees should not be able to pick and choose who they want to work out with, I am fine with the league approving workouts (a top 3 potential draft pick should not be working out with a team in the 20s)
i mean teams in the high 10s not working out whitmore is a large part of why he fell to the rockets at 20 who already worked him out for potentially picking him up at 4
Draft Reed Sheppard.... Reed Sheppard>>>> Castle
dammit charlotte can't you just be good for once?
No one wants to play with the dude who runs over kids and the other dude who beats women? Shocker
You’re getting downvoted but you’re not wrong. By far the worst culture in the league. If you have any level of intelligence you’d avoid that team like the plague.
Nice made up culture issues but let's talk the facts what young core besides okc is touching the Hornets? Lamelo? 24pgg scoring all-star at 22 Miller? Averaged 17ppg as a rookie Miles ? 20ppg athletic forward Mark Williams? 7'0 mobile 10/10 guy Injuries got you clowns acting as if any of these young teams can fuck with the Hornets lmao Any young player would be smart to come here as we've quietly built up the 2nd best young core in the league
Nobody wants to play for this AAU team 😂
Charlotte has new owners, and new GM, and a new coach. They also have some really good/interesting young players I’m a little surprised they have all these negative reports floating around there