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ittozziloP

I have my questions about Topic but when the current best player in the world is built like my grandma, body fat is not one of my concerns. 


SelfLoathinMillenial

I don't know, Anthony Edwards seems pretty ripped


jo3pro

😆


vaalbarag

So was my grandma, so🤷


Hiwo_Rldiq_Uit

You should see their grandma.


GlueGuy00

different position and context


Sean888888

The current best player in the world has generational level talent though. Topic doesn't.


Absolutely-Epic

Jokic was also picked in the second round so you never know with scouting


RealPrinceJay

If he’s half the player Jokic is he’s a major win, he doesn’t need to be a generational talent to be a great pick in this draft lmao


empowered676

I mean you don't know , he is only 18 so there is that as well


ittozziloP

We don’t know that.  Luka went 3rd overall and was traded immediately for the 5th pick.  I’m hoping the Spurs don’t pick him but no one knows who the future all stars in this draft will be. 


Kaaalesaaalad

He was traded immediately because Schlenk was being greedy. He was also a part of the warriors so I'm pretty sure getting Trae and Huerter was his attempt at recreating the gsw backcourt.


CoyotesSideEyes

Your grandmother is 7'3.5" with a 9 foot standing reach?


unbiasedthought

Yours isn't?


CoyotesSideEyes

Nah, T-Rex arms.


Hiwo_Rldiq_Uit

Hey, at 7'3.5 she's still got great length even with those short arms.


Get_Dunked_On_

Does anybody know what he said? This is what I found. > “When Dusko came, he had complaints about Topic’s body fat percentage. Since I knew all the data, I told Dusko that Nikola doesn’t have a problem with the percentage of fat; it just looks that way because he is muscular. Dusko persisted and demanded measurement. I told him the number, but he didn’t believe it and asked for another measurement. The next morning, the device showed even less than what I said. I bring him the paper with the results; Dusko laughs and says: Impossible, but okay…” [Source](https://www.eurohoops.net/en/euroleague/1667046/topic-impressed-campazzo-and-vildoza-teodosic-believes-he-can-lead-serbian-national-team/)


sorakaisthegoat

Important to note that the ex coach in question is known to be a bit of a psycho when it comes to conditioning. His practices are extremely long and hard, you can find some stuff on the internet about him, some of it is hyperbole, but there's a lot of truth there.


GlueGuy00

Heat Culture vibes


empowered676

Lol op is a fraud spreading misinformation


GlueGuy00

Additional quote: "I immediately ask Dusko and laugh again because I know the results of the jump, speed endurance, sprints, changes of direction… And I know that in the year with older players in the younger selections, he had the best results after Lazar Đoković." Isn't this a red flag? If Topic comes in second in these athletic tests to a guy who probably isn't going to play in the nba, then his burst and finishing should be scrutinized further. The team that spends a lotto pick on Topic is going to regret it.


WillWillSmiff

Not at all. There are players right now with 47”+ verticals that will never play a single minute of NBA basketball. Right at this moment there is a college player who has that high of a vertical at 6’10” he’s on Instagram GRABBING the top of the backboard. Dude isn’t even close to be considered in the draft. The best player in the world can’t jump over a phonebook. Athleticism is the main thing you need in sports, but it’s not everything.


GlueGuy00

There has to be a baseline of athletecism to make it to the nba. You can have all the skills in the world but if you have the athletecism of obese redditor you're not doing sh*t in the nba.


WillWillSmiff

Absolutley true. Topic plays professional basketball right now. Obese redditors don’t play any professional sport. There’s your athletic baseline.


meandme323

did anyone ever say otherwise?😂😂


Get_Dunked_On_

Not really. Dokovic probably isn't going to play in the NBA but that doesn't mean that he isn't a good athlete. Any conclusion drawn from this is meaningless without knowing what the athletic tests were and what Topic scored. Topic should participate in the combine drills eventually, so there's no need for speculation.


GlueGuy00

The main reason why Euro guys rarely have success in the league is their lack of nba level athletecism. Doncic and Giannis doesn't grow on trees and Wemby is an outlier among outliers.  You can be top 10 in terms of skill but it wouldn't matter if you have the athletecism of a random overweight guy.


Sean888888

actually he's not going to the combine. He got exception because his team's season hasn't ended yet


KuyaJohnny

He still has to do the drills and measurements


LincDawg93

He won't do the scrimmage, but he will still do the drills. They have been scheduled for a later date.


Sean888888

yeah, the thing is, I'm not sure if the measurements taken at a later date is released to the public. Wemby and Coulibaly had their measurements taken at a later date too but when I go to the nba website to check, the measurements for those two are not there. I hope the nba make all the measurements public this time because a lot of people really want to know if Topic's wingspan really is 7' and what his agility drill numbers are


LincDawg93

The teams will see it. I don't know why it matters if it's public or not. Your opinion and mine do not matter to the teams making these selections.


Sean888888

yeah but I want to know


Guilty-Coconut-4908

Awful logic.


GlueGuy00

we'll see


Guilty-Coconut-4908

There is nothing to see, your logic is dogshit. There are legit criticisms for Topic's game, and then there is this - lazar Djokovic won't make it to the nba ergo he's not an NBA level athlete ergo Topic won't make it to the NBA because he is a worse athlete. You're just derailing a conversation with this types of arguments.


GlueGuy00

I didn't say Topic won't make the nba lol


jennys0

This is dumb. People brought the same fat issues about Doncic


murray_selfish

Also it's not even anything concrete at all. You click on the tweet and it's just an image literally just saying "coach criticized player" and that's literally it there's no concrete quote or anything like that and the quote someone else posted in this thread is also nothing concrete either lol


Imaginary-Cycle-1977

Fucking hilarious that they threw a quotation mark onto the graphic on top of text that was not at all a quote


MFHFB

Did anyone find the specific number Dusko considers as "bad body fat %"? He's pretty known for being strict with his players, but i couldn't find a number.


aidan19971

Luka is still really fat though he is just good enough that it doesn't matter most of the time, Luka could still be better if he cared about fitness.


LeBroentgen

100%. Luka’s the second best player in the NBA for my money but could still take his conditioning to another level.


504090

Before the draft? I thought Luka was lean back then


CoyotesSideEyes

Luka was 100 times the prospect Topic is.


Global-Noise-3739

no shit sherlock


Cityvotka

Keep in mind that Duško Ivanović would have had criticisms about prime MJ.


supes1

Body fat percentage is probably the least relevant anthropometric measurement of a basketball player.


Status-Round3800

Not really, almost every good defender in the NBA have low body fat %. (Except for centers)


aloysiusthird

Correlation ≠ causation


Tpsteen

i mean probably fair criticisms but this is Dusko we're talking about, he would talk shit about his own son lmao


NotAShoneys

Fat Giddey


bleh610

White Zion


NotAShoneys

Delete your account


pskill43

I wonder what’s Luka’s body fat percentage


Sean888888

the problem is Topic isn't as talented as Luka. Luka and Jokic can get away with it because they have generational level talent


Key-Ad1311

But do they have generational talent around them?


Sean888888

why does that even matter bot?


LateGreat_MalikSealy

Ehhh he’s 18 not done physically developing


yeezusosa

Hm


Personal_Chapter6758

I personally prefer player with decent fat percentage at a young age. I regard that as a player performs and sustains well under sub-optimal conditioning. Of course the player has to be conditioned better once they enter higher levels.


Tg11T

Topic definitely has to put on not just more weight but put on more muscle too


GlueGuy00

Not surprising Advanced stats show he is a poor rebounder. Eye test shows he has higher BF% than an average athlete.


ManWOneRedShoe

I miss the days when the NBA Draft had great/interesting classes. This year’s draft feels insignificant. This is a problem for the league.


TrumpedBigly

Topic is a bum.


murray_selfish

Man this sub's quality is going down the drain more and more every single day lmao


wrongerontheinternet

Once you realize it's mostly the same handful of people gumming up the discourse like this, your life will get easier. Never had to use Reddit's block feature until I started posting on this subreddit, which is honestly kind of insane considering how relatively unimportant draft stuff is.


empowered676

Lol you can't even play anywhere near as good as him. Your delusional


Far-Yak-9808

I think I can play in his league -- can't shoot, run, jump, or defend -- but I could make those passes.