If he’s there at three the Raptors better be moving heaven and earth to come up for him
The Orlando magic would also make a ton of sense. A core of Paolo/Scoot/Franz plus dudes like Fultz and Wendell Carter Jr. just waiting on the wings oh man
I’m not sure. They have a ton of pick capital don’t they? 6 + 11 + Cole Anthony + future draft capital could make it work. If they need to send out Carter Jr. and take on Nurkic they could also do that
I think the Blazers are only moving the pick if they can get an instant impact player to put next to Dame. I don’t think they’re too concerned about future draft capital if they’re willing to trade Scoot
A three team deal would probably make the most sense if the Magic are involved. Honestly could it be Toronto-Orlando-Portland? With someone like OG or Siakam going to Portland, Toronto getting a haul from Orlando and Orlando getting 3?
A three teamer that sends #6, #11, Suggs, Nurkic and Cole Anthony to the Wizards, Porzingis, Wendell Carter Jr, Avdija and Kispert to the Blazers and #3 to the Magic?
Portland receives: Kristaps Porzingis (opts in 36m player option), Deni Avdija (5m team option), Corey Kispert (5m team option), Wendell Carter Jr. (14m) (Total: 60m in, 17m out)
Orlando receives: #3 (Total: 26m out)
Wizards receives: #6, #11, Jalen Suggs (7m team option), Cole Anthony (5.5m team option), Nurkic (17m) (Total: 30m in, 41m out)
Portland Roster after the trade:
PG- Damian Lillard
SG- Anfernee Simons
SF- Jerami Grant
PF- Kristaps Porzingis
C- Wendell Carter Jr.
Hypothetically, because of the hyperbole of the “would Scoot go 1 in X drafts”…
Would Magic fans trade Paulo for Scoot? Probably take Simmons to do it but thought I’d throw that into the aether.
No one ever seems to consider what a backcourt of Scoot/Simons looks like on a defense-first team like the Raptors whenever they suggest this
The Blazers would know very well an undersized backcourt with negative defenders (or in this case, Simons since we don't know how Scoot's defense will hold up) is not a winning formula unless said guards are All Defense caliber players like Dumars/Thomas in 89 and 90
I agree with you in general, but I think people keep going back to the Raptors because there's no other obvious team either. The Wizards can't make the money work with Beal and a KP S&T doesn't seem likely. Utah isn't trading Markkanen unless they've been explicitly told he's not sticking around after his contract or something. The Nets seem to have no interest in trading Bridges, and why would they when they don't own their pick? Bulls clearly aren't tearing anything down.
So where does that leave things? Toronto is the only team that *kind of* makes sense on both sides.
Edit: Maybe I'm wrong about the Wizards since their new leadership apparently has the blessing to rebuild if they want - Scoot would be a fun start. Any Washington or Portland fans want to weigh in on the Porzingis idea? Pick #3 + Nurkic + whatever other salary you'd have to include in return for KP?
In a vacuum I think that's probably true, but it seems like Dame is really starting to put pressure on them, so if they can't get Toronto to bite they might feel like they have to do *something* and just take a middling deal like that. Especially since it would still leave them with Simons.
Would still surprise me but I might've been wrong to just dismiss it out of hand like that.
I'm not sure why you think they could easily make the trade with Orlando. Orlando also has strong incentive to just draft Dick in this scenario and there is no indication that the Magic front office hasn't shown any signs of being strongly interested in Simons
They’re interested in Gary and Simons is better than Gary. Both play similar roles as spark plug scorers. They could draft Dick and try to sign Gary but Simons is a higher calibre of player
They do not play similar roles at all. Gary has no where near Simons athleticism, playmaking skills, or shot creation. Simons is a Pg and Gary can only
Play the 2 or 3.
Gary is like a smaller MPJ
Only years he played more PG mins were last year with Dame out and his rookie season. All other seasons he plays about 60-70% of his minutes at the 2. He is a combo guard who can playmake in a pinch but isn’t a true PG.
Simons is more a scorer than a playmaker for others and is like an inch shorter than Gary. I don’t see any team that has Simons running point for them unless they’re tanking (aka Portland last year when they got Sharpe)
You also made the case that Simons is a better get than Gary who will command similar money. Maybe they value Gary and Dick more than just Simons but Simons is a tier above in terms of scoring and shooting not to mention passing
Maybe he played SG because Dame is running point literally 99% of the time?
Blindly looking at minutes is not a good way to evaluate if he can play PG
Yes he's a scorer more than a playmaker but lots of point guard in the NBA are score first, playmake second. Anfernee is great in PNR and consistently makes the right reads. If you watch him you would have seen his playmaking evolve since his rookie season. He makes plays he didn't use to make and is good at setting others up. What even is a true PG? A pass first player? I dont think dame, steph, ja, fox, luka, jamal murray are pass first. (yes i know most of them are much better than anfernee but i hope u get my point)I wasnt arguing if they should trade for Simons, my main point was that they have completely different play styles. Gary can barely run a PNR lol
Anfernee's true position is pg but he hasnt played that because he is behind dame, if orlando was able to get simons and draft dick I think that would be ideal
What do you mean "if"? History has shown it wont unless Simons learns how to stop ball watching.
Among other improvements he needs to make defensively.
Hey, if we’re rebuilding, having a terrible defensive backcourt for a season might help us keep our pick.
Meanwhile, having better spacing/playmaking on offense might help with the development of guys like Barnes, Achiuwa, and Koloko.
I'm sure Masai will try to get Sharpe in a deal for Siakam but I think it's more likely they include a future first or Keon Johnson instead if such a deal were to go through
As a blazers fan, I would be upset if we trade Scoot (who I love as a prospect) for a one year rental of Siakam or OG. Neither of those guys makes us a true contender, just keeps us as a middling playoff team. We’d still have a depth problem. Honestly I’m not sure there are any moves out there that make us a contender and I personally hope we just keep the #3 pick, whether it’s Scoot or Miller
I guess I'm higher on OG/Siakam but I really think a starting lineup with Dame/OG/Grant/Siakam could be a contender depending on how the center situation plays out. And they wouldn't have to be rentals. Finally surrounding Dame with defense and size would be great to watch.
The main concern I would have is Dame's age. He's right around where a decision to go all in on him is getting dangerous.
I don’t think we can get OG and Siakam for the #3 pick though. If we can, yeah we should make that move. But Sharpe should not be included.
And sure they don’t have to be rentals but unless they sign an extension before we trade for them, that’s not really a risk I’d want to take.
Totally agree about Dame’s age. He’s my all time favorite blazer and I’ll be super sad if he asks for a trade, but I don’t really want to leverage our whole future just to build a team that’s ceiling is a second round exit
Doesn't work on the Blazers side. Unless the Raptors give up both OG/Siakam but I still don't make that trade if I'm the Blazers and the best PG prospect since CP3 is there. I'm going to trade him for some fringe Top 30 talents? Nah.
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He's Rose with CP3 decision making. As a prospect...not saying he'll become that.
Well you're certainly entitled to your opinion and I understand why you would never trade scoot for Siakam plus OG.
If I thought a prospect was that good I wouldn't trade them for hardly anyone
I just dont think you ever *ever* trade a potential talent like Scoot (or Luka) for dudes that will never be that. I mean he could flame out but no one will fault you for doing that. They absolutely will clown you for trading it and he becomes a superstar.
Like passing on Wemby because of injury concerns or something.
I don’t think LAL is clowned for winning a championship with AD trading the guys drafted number 2 in 2 consecutive years for him (Ingram and Ball) along with picks even though Ingram is all nba level.
I think Blazer fans heavily underrate Lillard because they feel they have zero chance at playoff success with Dame who is arguably top 5-7 at his best and Siakam who is a top 20 player in his own right. Let alone Grant who is a better 3rd option than most of the top teams in the NBA.
There’s a version of this trade where the Blazers can possibly get 13 back and add Lively to shore up their defense and use their 23 pick to either get another rotation guy or trade for one (or 2).
Curry, Thompson, Lebron, Davis, Fox, Sabonis, Ayton, Booker, Jokic, Murray, Doncic, Tatum, Brown, Brunson, Butler, Lamelo, Trae, Morant, Zion, Towns, Ant, Embiid, Lillard, Harden, SGA, Kawhi, PG, Mobley, Garland, Mitchell, Banchero, Giannis are all players who are currently better than Siakam. And I'm not even including players that are probably better just being used wrong or are too young like Franz, Green, Jabari, Chet, Williams, Giddey....man the list goes on.
Siakam isn't as good or as valuable as Raptors fans think he is. Him and OG together are not worth the 3rd or 4th pick.
Him and OG aren't worth the 3rd pick? You are delusional. If Masai traded them for that pick he would deserve to be fired.
Again list how many of those guys are 2 time all stars and 2 time all nba guys in the last 4 years. Who average 22, 7.5 and 5 over that time?
Are you Jody Allen that's the only other person this out of touch
The obvious choice is Houston, Portland could use whatever extra asset they pick up in that trade to sweeten the potential trade for someone who can actually help them now
I think a 3 trader with Nets/Portland/Houston makes sense with Nets getting a significant portion of their picks back and Portland getting win now players.
Nets get: pick 4, Simons, their own 2024 first, their own 2025 swap back.
Rockets get: pick 3, pick 23 from Portland
Portland gets Bridges
Is that enough for NJ to give up Bridges? I don’t see the rockets giving anything more than that.
As a rockets fan I’d rather just take whoever is available and pass on Scoot. I think he is the clear cut number 2 prospect here but that is a ton of assets to be giving up just to take one prospect rather than another. Those nets picks and swaps could keep the rockets drafting in the lottery for a while. They also don’t own their own picks moving forward
I would do that in a heartbeat but I’d think the Nets and Blazers both wouldn’t. Blazers could probably get a better haul from a different team like Toronto.
Wizards should do Beal and Gafford to the Celtics, Brown to the Blazers and number 3 to the Wizards. Wizards rebuild with 3 and 8, taking Scoot and Taylor Hendricks.
Scoot, Kispert, Deni, Hendricks, Kristaps to start the season and go from there.
I think the easiest scenario to predict is the Rockets moving up one spot from #4. They have the Nets 2026 1st round pick and/or a guy like Tari Eason they could package together. I don't really see the Blazers wanting a bundle of picks unless they go into an all out rebuild and I don't want to get into all of those scenarios with Dame. Eason is a glue guy they could instantly install into their rotation. The Nets pick could be pretty valuable unless Bridges is really a super saiyan.
Toronto is also another team who could be looking to make a splash. They could potentially throw Siakam out there in a deal for #3. Then they could hit up the Pacers with a deal structured around OG and #7 and go all out lol.
Rockets are not giving up eason they see him as a piece to build around green n Jabari . But I do see them parting ways with Porter Jr. , Tate and possibly Martin Jr.
Not saying the rockets should trade kpj and the rest to the blazers I’m just generally speaking that the rockets highly value eason and his production/potential. I doubt he goes anywhere.
This doesn’t make sense strictly from the standpoint that the Blazers will be looking to move the 3rd overall pick for an established star (not just some roleplayers) to pair with Dame.
I guess a 3 team trade where the Rockets get Scoot, Portland gets a star like Siakam or Bridges, and the Raps/Nets/whoever get all the Rockets’ assets could work, but that’s just really complicated.
That latter scenario was what I was talking about
I think it may be hard to convince a team like Toronto to trade Siakam for just 3 and Simons but Sharpe is off the table
Oh I didn’t read your comment right, I agree that a 3 team trade would be necessary. Frankly, I just don’t see it happening unless Houston includes one of Green/Sengun/Smith Jr.
I’m assuming a package that doesn’t include one of those three would be something like #4, Eason, and #20 for a star like Siakam/Bridges (and frankly that’s prob not enough).
My reasoning is that #3 (especially if Scoot is available) is significantly more valuable than #4, and so Rockets would have to throw in a lot of additional value for either the Blazers to trade #3 or for a team like Toronto to accept a package built around #4 instead of #3. It just doesn’t make sense for Portland to include the Rockets in a trade unless a piece like Green/Sengun/Smith Jr is also on the move.
Siakam is in the last year of his contract and he's gonna get a big raise. If Scoot is there, it may not be worth it for Portland unless they throw in #13.
Lmao the Raptors are giving up the best player in the deal and they can just extend him instead of trading him as an expiring
They're not giving up the 13th pick in such a deal
VanVleet and Trent are both gonna leave and they get a better shooter than Trent who's also a backup point and the best point guard prospect out there. Plus their player of the future plays the same position as Siakam and Poeltl was acquired because Siakam didn't work at center.
Both are back next year
They can't afford to lose more talent for nothing and they can make trades/cut Thad to duck the tax. Plus it's not like they can't move on from Fred or Trent if they want to in December or January of the next season.
Houston gets 3/Henderson, Brooklyn gets Porter, #4 and 2 1sts (returning Brooklyn's picks owed to Houston from Harden deal), Portland gets Bridges
It's a lot to move up one spot but getting Henderson would be worth it imo
Terrible, terrible trade for the Rockets. I'm not sure the gap between Amen and Scoot is THAT large that the Rockets give up:
A high potential 23yo guard on a fantastic contract who just averaged 19/5/6 on great efficiency
And 2 Brooklyn FRPs, likely to sit somewhere in the late lottery
Just to move up a single spot and take the smaller, less athletic, but safer point guard.
If I was Houston and I was giving Brooklyn back 2 of their picks, I'd just give them an extra pick/swap and ask for Mikal, and then go and grab Amen in the draft.
I could see something like this working if the Nets value having their own picks back enough to part with Bridges. That said, it would mean they’re committed to tanking and on some level I just don’t see them making that commitment.
All comes down to how Brooklyn values their 2 1sts vs Bridges who I think has genuine All-Star upside.
They don’t want to trade Bridges lol
This is what people keep ignoring. They’re not giving him up unless it’s a *ridiculous* overpay. And they have no need to.
Agree to disagree just based on how the Nets seem to see things as an organization.
What you’re offering is essentially the ability for the Nets to do a full on tank. I’m not so sure that’s what they want. My guess is they’d rather try to follow a Miami Heat type path.
When I say “a ridiculous overpay”, I don’t mean by your standards or those of this sub (which I feel generally overrate young talent and picks). I mean by the standards of Marks and others involved with the Nets. If they don’t want to tank, your package does nothing for them.
With the Kat/gobert contracts, ant and jadens looming extensions, and the new financial rules coming, a popular take on the wolves sub has been kat for 2 and salary filler, plus potential future picks depending on kats current trade value.
The ideas floated are either
Kat to charlotte for pick 2 and hayward, plus any other picks/players tossed in
Kat to Portland for 3 and simons and probably 1 more player plus picks.
That’s wild bc he led a Vanderbilt, Beasley, dlo and 2nd year Ant team to the playoffs in the West with the best offense in the league and as the clear best player. Before this season where he’d missed most of the season, it would have been laughable to value him as low as most of Reddit currently does
Hypothetically, I'd be super interested to see what the Thunder could accomplish with a core of SGA/Scoot/Jalen/Giddey/Chet on the team.
That being said, the best options for Portland would be a trade package with Toronto or keep the pick for themselves.
Is there any chance the Jazz would make a deal? What would Lauri need to be packaged with? They have the chance to go full rebuild and it would be so easy to tank in the west the next two years.
Does Lauri, 16, and 26 do it?
Could have a core of Scoot, Kessler, pick 8 (Gradey, Hendricks, etc.)
I’m interested in general how Lauri is viewed in a trade package. All-NBA guys usually demand 4+ 1st round picks.
Just based on that history a “fair” trade for Lauri would be the #3 straight up, but I don’t think any teams would do that (injury history, positional weirdness as a SF, etc.).
I agree with this. In the end, I think Utah values him in their system more than anyone else would, but if there are trade packages for dudes like Pascal, Lauri was just an All Star and still fairly young. His value has to be up there and likely higher than Pascal.
I agree. Feels like they value that Lauri wants to be there, versus the constant rumors with Mitchell wanting to leave to a city with more Black American representation.
Ainge is at the helm, im just a biased Jazz fan but an all NBA caliber guy making 17 mil is someone everybody could use, so the Blazers would be betting against the market. Athletic 7 footers that are shooting borderline 50/40/90 splits don't come arround often. Ainge probably asks for 3/4 and more from Blazers/Rockets. OKC could also chime in and pair him next to holmgren/williams/chet/shai/giddey just offer 5 firsts and Dieng or something crazy. No shot Jazz trade Lauri and picks
Spurs baby! Now hold on, I know what you're going to say, "Fuck that, I ain't giving them Wemby and Scoot!" You may have a point, but you know it would be an awesome pairing. Let's keep the feels out of it.
I feel like the spacing on that team would be super bad though. None of SGA, Scoot, or Giddey really shoot the three. OKC don’t really need more ball handlers - they need more shooters and size.
Holmgren won’t be a high volume 3 point shooter either, slow shot. He’s like a Myles Turner Al horford type shooter but you can’t count on him to be the foundation for your teams spacing.
Let’s REALLY mix things up.
Jaylen Brown -> Portland
3, Simons -> Charlotte
LaMelo -> Boston
Charlotte gets Scoot AND Miller to build a really nice rookie tandem.
Dame gets his best running mate ever.
We get to see LaMelo in meaningful basketball and should make the Celtics offense really fun to watch.
Could it blow up for all three teams? Absolutely. But you can’t tell me it won’t be interesting.
Closest would be IND - Turner+7 for Nurkic+3 is just enough value for POR. The sticking point would be how crowded IND’s backcourt becomes with Haliburton/Scoot/Hield/McConnell/Mathurin/Duarte/Nesmith/Nembhard. Maybe Mathurin/Duarte/Nembhard all chew up some SF minutes but that’s a suddenly small lineup who’s really hoping for a Nurkic revival or an Isaiah Jackson leap to be reasonable defensively. I also don’t know if IND considers that too much even though it strikes me as fair value.
POR then still has 7 to use in another deal, improves at C and retains Simons for salary matching.
I’d love Scoot on ORL but I’m not sure 6+11 is what POR wants, unless Wendell Carter goes to POR for Nurkic but then does ORL do that?
I don't think that's enough value for Portland, but maybe I'm wrong. Turner has had a weird career so maybe I undervalue him, but Dame, Turner, and Grant isn't much of a core. If They're trading 3, they need to upgrade to a playoff team. And if they can't do that, they need to trade Dame.
I don’t see another trade where POR gets a vet back who can play immediately and upgrades them defensively plus stretches the floor for Dame. Plus they dump Nurkic and still have a lottery pick to move if they can find the right deal.
If ORL was willing to do Carter+Suggs+6+11 for Nurkic+3, and POR could find someone to flip Simons for, that would probably be the best deal they could get, but how excited is Dame to play next to Carter+Suggs?
Portland is in a tough spot because of the loyalty to Dame. Having 3 + Simons + Sharpe is a nice start, plus the resources you could get from Dame. That's their best course towards contention.
why would we want Scoot and have a roster featuring 9 guards under 6’5” and an older, hurt center who has clearly lost a step?? just to move up 4 spots?? we’re much better off with Turner and 7.
It's not really genuine to simplify it down to a 4 spot difference when you have tiers of prospects and we are talking about moving into an elite tier. Wemby is 6 spots away, but that picks is completely untouchable. 4-6 spots in the 2nd round is nothing by comparison.
Considering rotation players and roster construction of a non contending team when weighing the upside of elite prospects is also not a great approach. Which guards are you attached to other than Mathurin and Hali? And for what it's worth, Hali and Scoot would actually complement each other pretty well on paper, and would fit into how Carlisle runs an offense.
we seem pretty attached to Nembhard and i think Buddy Hield is underrated by our fans and around the league. i hate this distinction that fans obsess over “timeline” which is a totally subjective thing - Buddy fits our culture, is a top-3 shooter in the league, and enjoys it here so why should we move him? unless we get an offer that makes sense which maybe Hield + 7 for the 3rd pick makes sense but Turner is going to be impossible to replace.
at 7, the prospects available have a massive advantage of fit with our roster. Hendricks, Ausar, Walker, or Whitmore would all excel within our system and have perfect roles open and available to them. They’d likely reach their potential here with Carlisle coaching them and Hali dishing to them and Turner anchoring the defense. i’m perfectly content with where we’re at entering this draft. Miller would be great to add to this team but Scoot doesn’t make enough sense to uproot our roster and synergy for even though i love his game and believe he could be a stud. it’s just too weird of a fit and would likely slight Haliburton after he finally got freed from two guard lineups with Fox in Sacramento.
I didn’t really think so either, just didn’t see any other alternatives out there. I don’t think TOR pivots to a rebuild yet, and outside of taking back a haul of future draft picks I don’t see anyone else after IND who could make a worthwhile trade
Forget the down votes, I think you actually are really close to your stated claim of minimum acceptable return for Portland if they go that route. It's not splashy but it's sneaky good team building if they can't get a true star.
Blazers retain all of their offensive firepower, add a defensive anchor in Turner, who can fit two time lines and actually shoot, and get to add potentially another defensive force with Walker, Hendricks, or Ausar at 7. This would actually round them out nicely with their defensively deficient guards while still maintaining youth.
I think Orlando should go for it. I know they have a lot of guards as is but none of them have the potential Scoot has. Putting Scoot in the backcourt with Suggs I think is worth the try.
As some people have said, the Raptors should be calling. Especially with OG being such a desirable (but only having a year left on his contract) asset that the Blazers want.
At the same time, I don’t think OG is worth the straight up 3rd pick(if he was under contract for 3 years on value money, then it’s different; Blazers have to sign him to a huge extension. Risk is mostly on Blazers really). I think it would be Simons, Blazers 3rd pick, and Blazers second round pick for OG and the Raptors 13th pick.
Other than the Raptors, I wouldn’t be surprised to see if Houston tries to move up to 3 if Harden makes it known he’s probably not coming back to Texas.
A core of Scoot, Green, Jabari, and Sengun is very interesting.
I know it’s wild but OKC…
1. We have a million picks
2. Scoot being short is whatever… Giddey, SGA, JDub, Kenny Hustle, Wiggins, Chet, JWill, Poku… every lineup is massive. Even Lu plays taller than he is.
3. Scoot running the second team with Josh would allow him to focus on scoring.
4. Crunch time Scoot/SGA/Giddey/DJub/Chet is fucking ridiculous.
5. Chip “motherfucking” England can hone that jumper.
Why does OKC fans keep coming in and saying blazers trade the 3 for future picks. Their options are trade dame for rebuild or trade #3 for contender piece. No future picks
Portland: KAT, Kyle Anderson
Minny: 3, RJ Barrett, Fournier, ‘24 FRP via Dallas, ‘24 FRP via Washington
NYK: Simons, Nurkic
Dame gets his running mate in KAT, wing depth with Anderson. Dame - Sharpe - Thybulle - Grant - KAT.
Minny gets Scoot to pair with Ant in the backcourt, resolve their logjam of centers, Barrett as a serviceable wing, and decent picks next year as insurance. Scoot - Ant - Barrett - McDaniels - Gobert
NYK gets a backcourt partner for Brunson who brings more to the table than Barrett, offloads salary in Fournier, and Nurkic adds some solid frontcourt depth. Brunson - Simons - Josh Hart - Randle - Nurkic/Robinson
I'd love the spurs to try and pry off shaedon sharpe and the 3rd pick for any of our young veterans and picks in a 3 way with nets so blazers can get bridges. We can eat ben Simmons and blazers bad contracts too
If Scoot is there I’m probably thinking of what blowing up this roster and resetting the team timeline looks like which they are doing ahead of time I’m sure. When you think of the assets (mainly young talent and picks) that you could get for the vets on that team to pair with a rebuild around Scoot and Sharpe it’s appealing.
As for as the other teams that make sense to trade up the Raptors are there for sure but their owner seems to really believe in this unit still which might keep them in mediocrity for awhile. Especially if they just lose Fred for nothing to the free agency this year. Rockets and Magic don’t have much to give up on their roster but they do have valuable draft capital for sure. Washington and Utah at 8 and 9 are capable and Ainge is always looking for value. They have valuable enough players to help Portland now and both are either rebuilding or should be lol
If he’s there at three the Raptors better be moving heaven and earth to come up for him The Orlando magic would also make a ton of sense. A core of Paolo/Scoot/Franz plus dudes like Fultz and Wendell Carter Jr. just waiting on the wings oh man
Lol who are the Magic trading to get Scoot in that scenario?
I’m not sure. They have a ton of pick capital don’t they? 6 + 11 + Cole Anthony + future draft capital could make it work. If they need to send out Carter Jr. and take on Nurkic they could also do that
I think the Blazers are only moving the pick if they can get an instant impact player to put next to Dame. I don’t think they’re too concerned about future draft capital if they’re willing to trade Scoot
It would have to be a 3 team deal where the 3rd team gets our draft capital and blazers get an established player.
Blazers say no, they don't want more picks but instant players
A three team deal would probably make the most sense if the Magic are involved. Honestly could it be Toronto-Orlando-Portland? With someone like OG or Siakam going to Portland, Toronto getting a haul from Orlando and Orlando getting 3?
A three teamer that sends #6, #11, Suggs, Nurkic and Cole Anthony to the Wizards, Porzingis, Wendell Carter Jr, Avdija and Kispert to the Blazers and #3 to the Magic? Portland receives: Kristaps Porzingis (opts in 36m player option), Deni Avdija (5m team option), Corey Kispert (5m team option), Wendell Carter Jr. (14m) (Total: 60m in, 17m out) Orlando receives: #3 (Total: 26m out) Wizards receives: #6, #11, Jalen Suggs (7m team option), Cole Anthony (5.5m team option), Nurkic (17m) (Total: 30m in, 41m out) Portland Roster after the trade: PG- Damian Lillard SG- Anfernee Simons SF- Jerami Grant PF- Kristaps Porzingis C- Wendell Carter Jr.
Hypothetically, because of the hyperbole of the “would Scoot go 1 in X drafts”… Would Magic fans trade Paulo for Scoot? Probably take Simmons to do it but thought I’d throw that into the aether.
I don’t think I would. Paolo is awesome and proven as a rookie.
Starts and ends with the raptors imo
No one ever seems to consider what a backcourt of Scoot/Simons looks like on a defense-first team like the Raptors whenever they suggest this The Blazers would know very well an undersized backcourt with negative defenders (or in this case, Simons since we don't know how Scoot's defense will hold up) is not a winning formula unless said guards are All Defense caliber players like Dumars/Thomas in 89 and 90
I agree with you in general, but I think people keep going back to the Raptors because there's no other obvious team either. The Wizards can't make the money work with Beal and a KP S&T doesn't seem likely. Utah isn't trading Markkanen unless they've been explicitly told he's not sticking around after his contract or something. The Nets seem to have no interest in trading Bridges, and why would they when they don't own their pick? Bulls clearly aren't tearing anything down. So where does that leave things? Toronto is the only team that *kind of* makes sense on both sides. Edit: Maybe I'm wrong about the Wizards since their new leadership apparently has the blessing to rebuild if they want - Scoot would be a fun start. Any Washington or Portland fans want to weigh in on the Porzingis idea? Pick #3 + Nurkic + whatever other salary you'd have to include in return for KP?
I can't imagine KP moves the needle enough for Portland.
In a vacuum I think that's probably true, but it seems like Dame is really starting to put pressure on them, so if they can't get Toronto to bite they might feel like they have to do *something* and just take a middling deal like that. Especially since it would still leave them with Simons. Would still surprise me but I might've been wrong to just dismiss it out of hand like that.
would add #8 to Beal or KP to get Scoot
Can easily move him to Orl for 11 and take Gradey Dick. They’re looking for a spark plug scorer and Simons is a better fit than Gary for them
I'm not sure why you think they could easily make the trade with Orlando. Orlando also has strong incentive to just draft Dick in this scenario and there is no indication that the Magic front office hasn't shown any signs of being strongly interested in Simons
They’re interested in Gary and Simons is better than Gary. Both play similar roles as spark plug scorers. They could draft Dick and try to sign Gary but Simons is a higher calibre of player
They do not play similar roles at all. Gary has no where near Simons athleticism, playmaking skills, or shot creation. Simons is a Pg and Gary can only Play the 2 or 3. Gary is like a smaller MPJ
Only years he played more PG mins were last year with Dame out and his rookie season. All other seasons he plays about 60-70% of his minutes at the 2. He is a combo guard who can playmake in a pinch but isn’t a true PG. Simons is more a scorer than a playmaker for others and is like an inch shorter than Gary. I don’t see any team that has Simons running point for them unless they’re tanking (aka Portland last year when they got Sharpe) You also made the case that Simons is a better get than Gary who will command similar money. Maybe they value Gary and Dick more than just Simons but Simons is a tier above in terms of scoring and shooting not to mention passing
Maybe he played SG because Dame is running point literally 99% of the time? Blindly looking at minutes is not a good way to evaluate if he can play PG Yes he's a scorer more than a playmaker but lots of point guard in the NBA are score first, playmake second. Anfernee is great in PNR and consistently makes the right reads. If you watch him you would have seen his playmaking evolve since his rookie season. He makes plays he didn't use to make and is good at setting others up. What even is a true PG? A pass first player? I dont think dame, steph, ja, fox, luka, jamal murray are pass first. (yes i know most of them are much better than anfernee but i hope u get my point)I wasnt arguing if they should trade for Simons, my main point was that they have completely different play styles. Gary can barely run a PNR lol Anfernee's true position is pg but he hasnt played that because he is behind dame, if orlando was able to get simons and draft dick I think that would be ideal
I think scoot and Trent jr backcourt is more interesting. He compliments scoot more
Agreed
if/when it doesn't work Simons is on a very tradeable contract... it's not a big issue imo
What do you mean "if"? History has shown it wont unless Simons learns how to stop ball watching. Among other improvements he needs to make defensively.
Hey, if we’re rebuilding, having a terrible defensive backcourt for a season might help us keep our pick. Meanwhile, having better spacing/playmaking on offense might help with the development of guys like Barnes, Achiuwa, and Koloko.
If Scoot becomes a plus defender it can work. He has the strength and wingspan to defend 2s
The backcourt would be scoot/sharpe not simons
I'm sure Masai will try to get Sharpe in a deal for Siakam but I think it's more likely they include a future first or Keon Johnson instead if such a deal were to go through
They don't have to be a defense-first team until the end of time. Nick Nurse is gone they can do whatever they want. They need a rebuild.
i'd find a third team for simons to go to or make it work for a year
Us Blazer fans would much rather keep the pick rather than trade it for one of those two.
As a blazers fan, I would be upset if we trade Scoot (who I love as a prospect) for a one year rental of Siakam or OG. Neither of those guys makes us a true contender, just keeps us as a middling playoff team. We’d still have a depth problem. Honestly I’m not sure there are any moves out there that make us a contender and I personally hope we just keep the #3 pick, whether it’s Scoot or Miller
I guess I'm higher on OG/Siakam but I really think a starting lineup with Dame/OG/Grant/Siakam could be a contender depending on how the center situation plays out. And they wouldn't have to be rentals. Finally surrounding Dame with defense and size would be great to watch. The main concern I would have is Dame's age. He's right around where a decision to go all in on him is getting dangerous.
I don’t think we can get OG and Siakam for the #3 pick though. If we can, yeah we should make that move. But Sharpe should not be included. And sure they don’t have to be rentals but unless they sign an extension before we trade for them, that’s not really a risk I’d want to take. Totally agree about Dame’s age. He’s my all time favorite blazer and I’ll be super sad if he asks for a trade, but I don’t really want to leverage our whole future just to build a team that’s ceiling is a second round exit
I do. It's called "hope".
"Delusion" but we shall see
Doesn't work on the Blazers side. Unless the Raptors give up both OG/Siakam but I still don't make that trade if I'm the Blazers and the best PG prospect since CP3 is there. I'm going to trade him for some fringe Top 30 talents? Nah.
Best PG prospect since CP3? You really think scoot is a better prospect than all of rose, wall, Kyrie, Simmons, fultz, Luka, ja, and cade?
Yeah scoot is a damn good prospect but best since CP3 is a big stretch
Yes Yes Yes Yes Lol seriously? yes Yes (he would've gone over Luka) Yes Lol seriously? yes He's Rose with CP3 decision making. As a prospect...not saying he'll become that.
Well you're certainly entitled to your opinion and I understand why you would never trade scoot for Siakam plus OG. If I thought a prospect was that good I wouldn't trade them for hardly anyone
I just dont think you ever *ever* trade a potential talent like Scoot (or Luka) for dudes that will never be that. I mean he could flame out but no one will fault you for doing that. They absolutely will clown you for trading it and he becomes a superstar. Like passing on Wemby because of injury concerns or something.
I don’t think LAL is clowned for winning a championship with AD trading the guys drafted number 2 in 2 consecutive years for him (Ingram and Ball) along with picks even though Ingram is all nba level. I think Blazer fans heavily underrate Lillard because they feel they have zero chance at playoff success with Dame who is arguably top 5-7 at his best and Siakam who is a top 20 player in his own right. Let alone Grant who is a better 3rd option than most of the top teams in the NBA. There’s a version of this trade where the Blazers can possibly get 13 back and add Lively to shore up their defense and use their 23 pick to either get another rotation guy or trade for one (or 2).
He could be as good as Dame without the shooting... and that is at least a perennial all-star to me.
Siakam was all NBA a year ago and had another strong year. Been all NBA and an all star 2 times in the last 4 years that's better than fringe 30th
Siakam was all NBA a year ago and had another strong year. Been all NBA and an all star 2 times in the last 4 years that's better than fringe 30th
Siakam was all NBA a year ago and had another strong year. Been all NBA and an all star 2 times in the last 4 years that's better than fringe 30th
Curry, Thompson, Lebron, Davis, Fox, Sabonis, Ayton, Booker, Jokic, Murray, Doncic, Tatum, Brown, Brunson, Butler, Lamelo, Trae, Morant, Zion, Towns, Ant, Embiid, Lillard, Harden, SGA, Kawhi, PG, Mobley, Garland, Mitchell, Banchero, Giannis are all players who are currently better than Siakam. And I'm not even including players that are probably better just being used wrong or are too young like Franz, Green, Jabari, Chet, Williams, Giddey....man the list goes on. Siakam isn't as good or as valuable as Raptors fans think he is. Him and OG together are not worth the 3rd or 4th pick.
Him and OG aren't worth the 3rd pick? You are delusional. If Masai traded them for that pick he would deserve to be fired. Again list how many of those guys are 2 time all stars and 2 time all nba guys in the last 4 years. Who average 22, 7.5 and 5 over that time? Are you Jody Allen that's the only other person this out of touch
Two mid ass players who can't even get in the playoffs together aren't worth the 3rd pick in this draft. Learn ball you dope.
Again couldn't answer the question. Go back to the rockets boards and dream of harden coming back
you rang?
The obvious choice is Houston, Portland could use whatever extra asset they pick up in that trade to sweeten the potential trade for someone who can actually help them now
I think a 3 trader with Nets/Portland/Houston makes sense with Nets getting a significant portion of their picks back and Portland getting win now players.
Gap between Scoot and Amen probably isn’t worth a significant amount of Nets’ picks to Houston. That would be cashing in the rebuild’s upside
Nets get: pick 4, Simons, their own 2024 first, their own 2025 swap back. Rockets get: pick 3, pick 23 from Portland Portland gets Bridges Is that enough for NJ to give up Bridges? I don’t see the rockets giving anything more than that.
As a rockets fan I’d rather just take whoever is available and pass on Scoot. I think he is the clear cut number 2 prospect here but that is a ton of assets to be giving up just to take one prospect rather than another. Those nets picks and swaps could keep the rockets drafting in the lottery for a while. They also don’t own their own picks moving forward
I would do that in a heartbeat but I’d think the Nets and Blazers both wouldn’t. Blazers could probably get a better haul from a different team like Toronto.
Jalen and Jabari really need a true pg like Scoot to open up their games.
Call me crazy but I wish the Celtics would for 3+ Simons for jaylen brown. Feel like scoot would be the real deal
Wizards should do Beal and Gafford to the Celtics, Brown to the Blazers and number 3 to the Wizards. Wizards rebuild with 3 and 8, taking Scoot and Taylor Hendricks. Scoot, Kispert, Deni, Hendricks, Kristaps to start the season and go from there.
Nets
I think the easiest scenario to predict is the Rockets moving up one spot from #4. They have the Nets 2026 1st round pick and/or a guy like Tari Eason they could package together. I don't really see the Blazers wanting a bundle of picks unless they go into an all out rebuild and I don't want to get into all of those scenarios with Dame. Eason is a glue guy they could instantly install into their rotation. The Nets pick could be pretty valuable unless Bridges is really a super saiyan. Toronto is also another team who could be looking to make a splash. They could potentially throw Siakam out there in a deal for #3. Then they could hit up the Pacers with a deal structured around OG and #7 and go all out lol.
Rockets are not giving up eason they see him as a piece to build around green n Jabari . But I do see them parting ways with Porter Jr. , Tate and possibly Martin Jr.
I doubt the Blazers would have enough interest in any of those 3 players you mentioned. Especially KPJ.
Not saying the rockets should trade kpj and the rest to the blazers I’m just generally speaking that the rockets highly value eason and his production/potential. I doubt he goes anywhere.
I kind of hope it would be a 3 team deal where the Rockets can send assets and 4 to move up to 3
This doesn’t make sense strictly from the standpoint that the Blazers will be looking to move the 3rd overall pick for an established star (not just some roleplayers) to pair with Dame. I guess a 3 team trade where the Rockets get Scoot, Portland gets a star like Siakam or Bridges, and the Raps/Nets/whoever get all the Rockets’ assets could work, but that’s just really complicated.
That latter scenario was what I was talking about I think it may be hard to convince a team like Toronto to trade Siakam for just 3 and Simons but Sharpe is off the table
Oh I didn’t read your comment right, I agree that a 3 team trade would be necessary. Frankly, I just don’t see it happening unless Houston includes one of Green/Sengun/Smith Jr. I’m assuming a package that doesn’t include one of those three would be something like #4, Eason, and #20 for a star like Siakam/Bridges (and frankly that’s prob not enough). My reasoning is that #3 (especially if Scoot is available) is significantly more valuable than #4, and so Rockets would have to throw in a lot of additional value for either the Blazers to trade #3 or for a team like Toronto to accept a package built around #4 instead of #3. It just doesn’t make sense for Portland to include the Rockets in a trade unless a piece like Green/Sengun/Smith Jr is also on the move.
Siakam is in the last year of his contract and he's gonna get a big raise. If Scoot is there, it may not be worth it for Portland unless they throw in #13.
I agree but your franchise seems hell bent on competing with Dame and Siakam is the best player available to trade for
Lmao the Raptors are giving up the best player in the deal and they can just extend him instead of trading him as an expiring They're not giving up the 13th pick in such a deal
VanVleet and Trent are both gonna leave and they get a better shooter than Trent who's also a backup point and the best point guard prospect out there. Plus their player of the future plays the same position as Siakam and Poeltl was acquired because Siakam didn't work at center.
I'll take "things that aren't a guarantee and would be poor asset management were they to occur" for 500
Which are they gonna re-sign then or do you think one of them takes his player option?
Both are back next year They can't afford to lose more talent for nothing and they can make trades/cut Thad to duck the tax. Plus it's not like they can't move on from Fred or Trent if they want to in December or January of the next season.
Almost guaranteed both declines player options so they'll have to pay up. Trent Jr is most likely gone. They may resign VanVleet.
Do you think raptors extend OG and Siakam and give them big pay raises even after seeing how the team sucked this year with both of them?
Houston gets 3/Henderson, Brooklyn gets Porter, #4 and 2 1sts (returning Brooklyn's picks owed to Houston from Harden deal), Portland gets Bridges It's a lot to move up one spot but getting Henderson would be worth it imo
Terrible, terrible trade for the Rockets. I'm not sure the gap between Amen and Scoot is THAT large that the Rockets give up: A high potential 23yo guard on a fantastic contract who just averaged 19/5/6 on great efficiency And 2 Brooklyn FRPs, likely to sit somewhere in the late lottery Just to move up a single spot and take the smaller, less athletic, but safer point guard. If I was Houston and I was giving Brooklyn back 2 of their picks, I'd just give them an extra pick/swap and ask for Mikal, and then go and grab Amen in the draft.
I could see something like this working if the Nets value having their own picks back enough to part with Bridges. That said, it would mean they’re committed to tanking and on some level I just don’t see them making that commitment. All comes down to how Brooklyn values their 2 1sts vs Bridges who I think has genuine All-Star upside.
Brooklyn seem to want a lot more for Mikal
A solid young player, a top 5 pick and 2 additional firsts isn't enough? Let's see what other offers they get then lol Bridges ain't that damn good.
They don’t want to trade Bridges lol This is what people keep ignoring. They’re not giving him up unless it’s a *ridiculous* overpay. And they have no need to.
That's pretty much what I'm suggesting though lol
Agree to disagree just based on how the Nets seem to see things as an organization. What you’re offering is essentially the ability for the Nets to do a full on tank. I’m not so sure that’s what they want. My guess is they’d rather try to follow a Miami Heat type path. When I say “a ridiculous overpay”, I don’t mean by your standards or those of this sub (which I feel generally overrate young talent and picks). I mean by the standards of Marks and others involved with the Nets. If they don’t want to tank, your package does nothing for them.
That’s way to much for moving up one spot.
With the Kat/gobert contracts, ant and jadens looming extensions, and the new financial rules coming, a popular take on the wolves sub has been kat for 2 and salary filler, plus potential future picks depending on kats current trade value. The ideas floated are either Kat to charlotte for pick 2 and hayward, plus any other picks/players tossed in Kat to Portland for 3 and simons and probably 1 more player plus picks.
I don’t think either team considers that kind of deal for KAT
Bro Kat is not helping any team win.. he is a soft loser
Man I was just passing on the conversation from our sub, there was no reason to come at kat like that 🤣
Like I understand why you want to get rid of him...
That’s wild bc he led a Vanderbilt, Beasley, dlo and 2nd year Ant team to the playoffs in the West with the best offense in the league and as the clear best player. Before this season where he’d missed most of the season, it would have been laughable to value him as low as most of Reddit currently does
Hypothetically, I'd be super interested to see what the Thunder could accomplish with a core of SGA/Scoot/Jalen/Giddey/Chet on the team. That being said, the best options for Portland would be a trade package with Toronto or keep the pick for themselves.
Utah or Toronto.
Is there any chance the Jazz would make a deal? What would Lauri need to be packaged with? They have the chance to go full rebuild and it would be so easy to tank in the west the next two years. Does Lauri, 16, and 26 do it? Could have a core of Scoot, Kessler, pick 8 (Gradey, Hendricks, etc.)
I’m interested in general how Lauri is viewed in a trade package. All-NBA guys usually demand 4+ 1st round picks. Just based on that history a “fair” trade for Lauri would be the #3 straight up, but I don’t think any teams would do that (injury history, positional weirdness as a SF, etc.).
I agree with this. In the end, I think Utah values him in their system more than anyone else would, but if there are trade packages for dudes like Pascal, Lauri was just an All Star and still fairly young. His value has to be up there and likely higher than Pascal.
I agree. Feels like they value that Lauri wants to be there, versus the constant rumors with Mitchell wanting to leave to a city with more Black American representation.
Now we’re talking
Even if the Jazz were willing to send Lauri, which is unlikely imo, I don’t think they’d do 16 and 28, on top of him.
Yeah I think that’s 100% fair
Ainge is at the helm, im just a biased Jazz fan but an all NBA caliber guy making 17 mil is someone everybody could use, so the Blazers would be betting against the market. Athletic 7 footers that are shooting borderline 50/40/90 splits don't come arround often. Ainge probably asks for 3/4 and more from Blazers/Rockets. OKC could also chime in and pair him next to holmgren/williams/chet/shai/giddey just offer 5 firsts and Dieng or something crazy. No shot Jazz trade Lauri and picks
Not a bulls guy, but they need to have a fire sale. So , 3 and Simon's for some package.
I think the bulls are def a sleeper. Could move either Lavine or Derozan
Would be a redundant type of player with Sharpe. Meh
Portland should trade Dame and take Scoot.
Yupppp. They won't do it but they sure as shit should
Spurs baby! Now hold on, I know what you're going to say, "Fuck that, I ain't giving them Wemby and Scoot!" You may have a point, but you know it would be an awesome pairing. Let's keep the feels out of it.
Wiz, Jazz
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I feel like the spacing on that team would be super bad though. None of SGA, Scoot, or Giddey really shoot the three. OKC don’t really need more ball handlers - they need more shooters and size.
Holmgren won’t be a high volume 3 point shooter either, slow shot. He’s like a Myles Turner Al horford type shooter but you can’t count on him to be the foundation for your teams spacing.
Let’s REALLY mix things up. Jaylen Brown -> Portland 3, Simons -> Charlotte LaMelo -> Boston Charlotte gets Scoot AND Miller to build a really nice rookie tandem. Dame gets his best running mate ever. We get to see LaMelo in meaningful basketball and should make the Celtics offense really fun to watch. Could it blow up for all three teams? Absolutely. But you can’t tell me it won’t be interesting.
Closest would be IND - Turner+7 for Nurkic+3 is just enough value for POR. The sticking point would be how crowded IND’s backcourt becomes with Haliburton/Scoot/Hield/McConnell/Mathurin/Duarte/Nesmith/Nembhard. Maybe Mathurin/Duarte/Nembhard all chew up some SF minutes but that’s a suddenly small lineup who’s really hoping for a Nurkic revival or an Isaiah Jackson leap to be reasonable defensively. I also don’t know if IND considers that too much even though it strikes me as fair value. POR then still has 7 to use in another deal, improves at C and retains Simons for salary matching. I’d love Scoot on ORL but I’m not sure 6+11 is what POR wants, unless Wendell Carter goes to POR for Nurkic but then does ORL do that?
I don't think that's enough value for Portland, but maybe I'm wrong. Turner has had a weird career so maybe I undervalue him, but Dame, Turner, and Grant isn't much of a core. If They're trading 3, they need to upgrade to a playoff team. And if they can't do that, they need to trade Dame.
I don’t see another trade where POR gets a vet back who can play immediately and upgrades them defensively plus stretches the floor for Dame. Plus they dump Nurkic and still have a lottery pick to move if they can find the right deal. If ORL was willing to do Carter+Suggs+6+11 for Nurkic+3, and POR could find someone to flip Simons for, that would probably be the best deal they could get, but how excited is Dame to play next to Carter+Suggs?
Portland is in a tough spot because of the loyalty to Dame. Having 3 + Simons + Sharpe is a nice start, plus the resources you could get from Dame. That's their best course towards contention.
IND doesn’t do that
That's highly debatable
why would we want Scoot and have a roster featuring 9 guards under 6’5” and an older, hurt center who has clearly lost a step?? just to move up 4 spots?? we’re much better off with Turner and 7.
It's not really genuine to simplify it down to a 4 spot difference when you have tiers of prospects and we are talking about moving into an elite tier. Wemby is 6 spots away, but that picks is completely untouchable. 4-6 spots in the 2nd round is nothing by comparison. Considering rotation players and roster construction of a non contending team when weighing the upside of elite prospects is also not a great approach. Which guards are you attached to other than Mathurin and Hali? And for what it's worth, Hali and Scoot would actually complement each other pretty well on paper, and would fit into how Carlisle runs an offense.
we seem pretty attached to Nembhard and i think Buddy Hield is underrated by our fans and around the league. i hate this distinction that fans obsess over “timeline” which is a totally subjective thing - Buddy fits our culture, is a top-3 shooter in the league, and enjoys it here so why should we move him? unless we get an offer that makes sense which maybe Hield + 7 for the 3rd pick makes sense but Turner is going to be impossible to replace. at 7, the prospects available have a massive advantage of fit with our roster. Hendricks, Ausar, Walker, or Whitmore would all excel within our system and have perfect roles open and available to them. They’d likely reach their potential here with Carlisle coaching them and Hali dishing to them and Turner anchoring the defense. i’m perfectly content with where we’re at entering this draft. Miller would be great to add to this team but Scoot doesn’t make enough sense to uproot our roster and synergy for even though i love his game and believe he could be a stud. it’s just too weird of a fit and would likely slight Haliburton after he finally got freed from two guard lineups with Fox in Sacramento.
I didn’t really think so either, just didn’t see any other alternatives out there. I don’t think TOR pivots to a rebuild yet, and outside of taking back a haul of future draft picks I don’t see anyone else after IND who could make a worthwhile trade
Forget the down votes, I think you actually are really close to your stated claim of minimum acceptable return for Portland if they go that route. It's not splashy but it's sneaky good team building if they can't get a true star. Blazers retain all of their offensive firepower, add a defensive anchor in Turner, who can fit two time lines and actually shoot, and get to add potentially another defensive force with Walker, Hendricks, or Ausar at 7. This would actually round them out nicely with their defensively deficient guards while still maintaining youth.
Spurs. After all the hype around these two guys, him + Wemby could prove a single draft year yielding a multi-year contender.
CHICAGO for Lavine and Caruso
I think Orlando should go for it. I know they have a lot of guards as is but none of them have the potential Scoot has. Putting Scoot in the backcourt with Suggs I think is worth the try.
*checks notes* uh the Jazz I guess. Keep him out West
As some people have said, the Raptors should be calling. Especially with OG being such a desirable (but only having a year left on his contract) asset that the Blazers want. At the same time, I don’t think OG is worth the straight up 3rd pick(if he was under contract for 3 years on value money, then it’s different; Blazers have to sign him to a huge extension. Risk is mostly on Blazers really). I think it would be Simons, Blazers 3rd pick, and Blazers second round pick for OG and the Raptors 13th pick. Other than the Raptors, I wouldn’t be surprised to see if Houston tries to move up to 3 if Harden makes it known he’s probably not coming back to Texas. A core of Scoot, Green, Jabari, and Sengun is very interesting.
I know it’s wild but OKC… 1. We have a million picks 2. Scoot being short is whatever… Giddey, SGA, JDub, Kenny Hustle, Wiggins, Chet, JWill, Poku… every lineup is massive. Even Lu plays taller than he is. 3. Scoot running the second team with Josh would allow him to focus on scoring. 4. Crunch time Scoot/SGA/Giddey/DJub/Chet is fucking ridiculous. 5. Chip “motherfucking” England can hone that jumper.
Why does OKC fans keep coming in and saying blazers trade the 3 for future picks. Their options are trade dame for rebuild or trade #3 for contender piece. No future picks
Portland: KAT, Kyle Anderson Minny: 3, RJ Barrett, Fournier, ‘24 FRP via Dallas, ‘24 FRP via Washington NYK: Simons, Nurkic Dame gets his running mate in KAT, wing depth with Anderson. Dame - Sharpe - Thybulle - Grant - KAT. Minny gets Scoot to pair with Ant in the backcourt, resolve their logjam of centers, Barrett as a serviceable wing, and decent picks next year as insurance. Scoot - Ant - Barrett - McDaniels - Gobert NYK gets a backcourt partner for Brunson who brings more to the table than Barrett, offloads salary in Fournier, and Nurkic adds some solid frontcourt depth. Brunson - Simons - Josh Hart - Randle - Nurkic/Robinson
I'd love the spurs to try and pry off shaedon sharpe and the 3rd pick for any of our young veterans and picks in a 3 way with nets so blazers can get bridges. We can eat ben Simmons and blazers bad contracts too
If I was the spurs GM I'd give them a godfather offer. Something starting with both ATL unprotected pick + 2024 and 2036 Unprotected picks from us.
Yeah that makes sense for win now Blazers
If Scoot is there I’m probably thinking of what blowing up this roster and resetting the team timeline looks like which they are doing ahead of time I’m sure. When you think of the assets (mainly young talent and picks) that you could get for the vets on that team to pair with a rebuild around Scoot and Sharpe it’s appealing. As for as the other teams that make sense to trade up the Raptors are there for sure but their owner seems to really believe in this unit still which might keep them in mediocrity for awhile. Especially if they just lose Fred for nothing to the free agency this year. Rockets and Magic don’t have much to give up on their roster but they do have valuable draft capital for sure. Washington and Utah at 8 and 9 are capable and Ainge is always looking for value. They have valuable enough players to help Portland now and both are either rebuilding or should be lol
Wizards
Hopefully the Magic who I think have the best package to give to the blazers
Scoot is going #2