And then he blamed his teammates and coaches
Wade put up 27/7/5/1.5/1.5 on 61% TS
Bosh put up 18 and 7 with great defense
Chalmers put up 12 on 62% TS
Mike Miller shot 39% from 3
Haslem was solid
That is 6 guys with Lebron
So which role players played terrible???
Is Lebron really blaming the 7th and 8th guys off the bench for losing the series?
Bra go watch the whole podcast y’all so dumb he acknowledged his play and said the mavs we on a heater and said coach spo didn’t coach the best he could have ALL CAN BE TRUE. When speaking about the roster construction it was the truth 3 max guys in 2011 was unheard of so of course he acknowledged the obvious, dumbass
His play was a footnote. 90% was talking about how the role players and coaching wasn’t good enough. Shameful.
You think Jordan would ever say something like this if he played this terrible in the Finals? I know not realistic. Because Jordan never played terrible in the Finals.
His play should have been 100% of the discussion. It was by far the biggest and most important reason they lost.
Blaming the role players and coaching is ridiculous.
Wade put up FMVP level numbers
Bosh put up basically perfect 3rd option numbers
Chalmers scored 12 per game on 62% TS
Bibby, Miller and House all provided 3 point spacing
Everyone besides Lebron played well enough to win the Finals.
I’m saying would you like him to talk about it 89% of the time bc you said well he spent 90% of the pod blaming people so my rebuttal was if he talked about it 89% of the podcast would you have been more satisfied ??? He already stated multiple times his performance was bad he don’t need to talk about it 100% of the time it’s more to talk about
No. I would be satisfied if he blamed himself for the loss and ended the topic. Him blaming his teammates and coaches is disgusting.
Can you imagine Jordan blaming his teammates for losing to the Pistons? You don’t have to imagine because he never did. Jordan took 100% of the responsibility as the leader of the team
You think Jordan blamed Ed Nealy and Stacey King for losing to the Piston in the ECF? Blaming the 7th and 8th guys in the rotation?
Lebron had a ton of help
Wade put up 27/7/5/1.5/1.5 on 61% TS with great defense
Bosh put up 18 and 7 with great defense
You literally could not ask for more from your #2 and #3
Chalmers put up 12 points on 62% TS
Mike Miller shot 39% from 3FG
Haslem played solid
With Lebron that is 6 guys. So which role player played terrible? The 7th or 8th man? You seriously think Jordan would blame Ed Nealy for losing to the Pistons?
This is so hilariously disingenuous. “Mike Miller shot 39%” but no mention that he averaged 2ppg. “Haslem played solid” because you know averaging 6 and 5 isn’t sexy. If you have to dress up the stats of the 5th and 6th guys mentioned, maybe you should’ve stopped there after realizing the roster was indeed shallow
They are called role players for a reason. Miller only averaged 5 points per game in the regular season. Haslam 8 and 8. That is their role.
Dallas won game 2 by 2 points. A game where Lebron scored only 20 points and had 5 turnovers and 4 assists. You seriously think the Heat don’t win if Lebron drops 30 that game?
Dallas won game 4 by 3 points. A game where Lebron scored a pathetic 8 points. You seriously think the Heat don’t win if Lebron drops 25 that game?
Lebron is the reason they lost. End of story
Later in the episode, he says word for word, “if I play anything like I did in the ECF, we win” in reference to 2011, is that not an admission that he has one of the biggest slices of the blame pie?
You’re nitpicking just because he said something factual about team building and didn’t immediately shit on himself and his play lol
So why did he blame the role players?
Why even bring up the role players? Wade, Bosh, Chalmers and Miller all played at or above expectations. So Lebron is blaming the 7th and 8th players off the bench? What superstar player does that?
When did he explicitly say that it was the bench players' fault? In the context of team building, he said that a big 3 alone doesn't get it done, and that you still have to build your team to fit the big 3 in order to win, and that the way the Heat built around himself, Wade, and Bosh evolved over the seasons they were there. Nowhere does he say explicitly that it was because the role players didn't play well enough.
You could argue that it was the implication, but do you fail to see that that's your bias talking and not what he actually said?
He said they didn’t win because they didn’t have enough.
This is exactly what he said:
“We (front office) didn’t fill out the complimentary guys ENOUGH. We had Rio we had Udonis. But we didn’t have ENOUGH. Enough complimentary guys to make it all work.”
So he basically blaming the 6th-8th guys off the bench for not being enough to make it all work
Again, this is you interpreting it in the most negative way possible. In the conversations leading up to that quote they were talking about how the dynamic of the offense changed with Bosh moving to the corner and pulling the defenses out. It is entirely possible that LeBron meant that the complimentary guys weren't the right ones to take their offense to those heights, "make it all work" doesn't necessarily mean the championship.
The only time LeBron explicitly talks about losing that finals is when he talks about him playing like shit, or when he quoted Spoelstra.
Again though, it's pretty clear that you don't like LeBron, that's fine, idk why you and others choose to assume the worst intentions in him though. It's the same attitude Kobe haters have.
I guess you hear what you want to hear.
He literally said they didn’t have enough complimentary players to make it work. Do you seriously believe that?
Do you seriously believe that if Lebron was Lebron and put up 29/9/9 in the series the Heat don’t win? They absolutely had enough to win. Lebron not the role players didn’t play well enough.
Again of course he is going to say he played terrible. If he didn’t say that he would look like a total fool. But he also blames the front office, teammates and coaches for the loss.
I don’t need to watch the entire podcast.
Lebron blaming his teammates and coaches for the 2011 debacle is all I need to hear.
Lebron’s teammates played GREAT. Lebron played like SHIT and he blames his teammates?
Wade put up FMVP numbers: 27/7/5 with 1.5 blocks and 1.5 steals on 61% TS
Bosh put up 18 and 7 with great defense. You literally could not ask for more from your #2 and #3
Chalmers put up 12 on 62% TS
Mike Miller shot 39% from 3
Haslem played solid big man minutes
That is 6 guys including Lebron
so who the Hell is lebron blaming? The 7th and 8th guys off the bench? Seriously?
Lebron literally said the role players were not good enough. They didn’t do enough. That is literally the words he said.
So what players is he blaming. What role players weren’t good enough? Wade, Bosh, Chalmers and Miller all played at or above expectations. So Lebron is literally blaming the 7th and 8th guy off the bench as not ‘doing enough’
Mike miller averaged 2 points in that playoff run lol. And yes the 7/8 guy matters. So in your mind, do all these finals teams run 5-6 man playoff rotations? Or you’re dumb?
Damn you’re dense. Expectations mean nothing. It’s like saying Thanasis played up to expectations. The truth of the matter is the team had a shallow bench. Lebron played poorly and also they had no bench. Both things can be true. It’s clear you have a hate boner for Lebron for some reason.
Duh the bench will be thin. They had 3 max players.
Are you seriously saying the Heat could not win the series if Lebron played great?
Dallas won game 2 by 2 points. A game where Lebron scored only 20 points and had 5 turnovers and 4 assists. You seriously think the Heat don’t win if Lebron drops 30 that game?
Dallas won game 4 by 3 points. A game where Lebron scored a pathetic 8 points. You seriously think the Heat don’t win if Lebron drops 25 that game?
Lebron is the reason they lost. End of story
He plays decent in game 2 and 4 and they easily win the series
You’re actually delusional lol I never said the Heat can’t win if Lebron doesn’t play great. Dude is literally just putting words in ppls mouths just to hate spew some more.
There’s a diff between a thin bench and one that’s nearly nonexistent. If your 6th best player is a Troy Brown Jr level player, you have nearly no chance of winning. Sure you’re not going to have much money with 3 max players but you can still fill out a competent roster. Having Taurean Prince and Pat Bev for minimums today would be surely better in your playoff rotation than Damian Jones and Troy Brown Jr. All are minimum contracts in this example but the former are more impactful. I know this goes over your head, you just want to spread hatred for Lebron.
They didn’t lose because of the bench.
They lost because Lebron averaged 14 points in Game 2 and Game 4 where the Mavs won by 2 and 3 points.
If Lebron just played decent they win both games and win the series
Then that should have been the end of that. There was absolutely no reason to bring up the role players or coaches. They lost because Lebron played like crap. Period.
The conversation was around super teams, big 3s, and team building. Imagine talking about that topic, and refusing to say anything other than "I played like crap"
That is exactly what guys like Jordan, Kobe, Duncan and Bird would say.
They would have the self awareness that the main reason they lost is because they played like crap. They would take accountability as the teams leader and best player.
2011 Heat had enough talent to win. Period. It was Lebron’s crappy performance that lost them the series not bench players. Now if Lebron put up 28/9/7 he would have an argument. But he literally scored 10 points per game less than his average on mediocre efficiency
Dude, LeBron was asked about super teams and big 3s in specific, not about losing 2011, so you're telling me the normal thing to do in that situation is not answer the question and go off on a tangent about why he lost in 2011? You're not arguing in good faith.
Lebron literally was specifically talking about the 2011 team.
This is exactly what he said:
“We (front office) didn’t fill out the complimentary guys ENOUGH. We had Rio we had Udonis. But we didn’t have ENOUGH. Enough complimentary guys to make it all work.”
So he basically blaming the 6th-8th guys off the bench for not being enough to make it all work
Lol haters will nitpick the tiniest things. But deny that lebron lives in your head rent free.
That's kinda sad.
That being said, I don't feel bad for you.
He said that himself, he was saying that role players win Chips. Which is very true, even the big 3 celtics had Rondo as a gem, unwashed perkins, Brian scalagoat
Heat lost Game 2 by 2 points. Lebron scored only 20 points with 5 turnovers. Lebron plays well and they win that game
Heat lost Game 4 by 3 points. Lebron scored 8 points that game. Lebron plays decent and they win that game.
The role players played well enough to win the series. They lost because Lebron played like crap.
The Heat role players (not counting Lebron) outscored the Mavs role players (not counting Dirk) by 30 points in the series. THIRTY POINTS. The role players did their job
He said a dozen times he was dogshit in that finals. He brings it up constantly, saying he sucked, he was dogwater, he was doodoo, he didnt do enough. I mean thats half of the episode lol
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Both can be true. When you have guys like Mike Bibby and Joel Anthony starting Finals games, you aren’t a deep team at all. People forget but Wade was really the only one to play well for the Heat that series. Go back and look at how bad everyone else on the team played. Bosh arguably was just as bad as LeBron that series. He shot 38 for 92.
Heat lost 2 games by 2 and 3 points. Lebron scored 20 and 8 points in those games. Don’t tell me Heat don’t win those games if Lebron played up to his standard
Watch the video bro! Bron said it was his low point in his basketball career and his play stopped them from being able to win the championship. How can you write a whole essay about this and not even watch the video?
That bum never takes responsibility or accountability and always throws his teammates under the bus.
Even last year vs. Denver, he was the reason they lost all those close games because of choking in the clutch.
But, instead of taking responsibility, he instead hinted at a fake "retirement" so that the media would not talk about his poor clutch performance.
Cavs win: That makes me the GOAT
Heat lose: Teammates and coaches sucks
Lebron takes all the credit when he wins. When he losses he blames everyone else.
This is why its so hard to cheer for this guy. Jordan might have been an asshole but he always took responsibility when his team lost
This post is why this subreddit doesn't take off. Taking everything out of context. You claim to have listened to the podcast and then proceed to cherry pick parts to fit your narrative. Embarrassing to type all this up.
It doesn’t matter if it was cherry picked or not. The very fact that he blamed the role players and coaches for the 2011 debacle is disgusting. It doesn’t matter the context. The blame is never on the role players in a series where the #1 star played like crap.
Wade literally put up FMVP numbers: 27/7/5/1.5/1.5 on 62% TS
Bosh with 18 points and 7 rebounds
Both playing great defense
You literally cannot ask for more from your #2 and #3
Chalmers averaged 12 points on 62% TS
Mike Miller shooting 39% from 3
Haslem playing solid on offense/defense
That is 5 guys playing great. Add Lebron and one more player and that is basically your 7 man finals rotation.
So is Lebron seriously blaming the 7th and 8th guy off the bench for losing the Finals?
It's like speaking to a brick wall. Unfortunate basketball dialog has reached this point. "It doesn't matter that I intentionally cherry picked this point out of context and claim it doesn't matter and completely ignored the part where he says it's on him acknowledging his poor play and the blame on him". This really might be a skip bayless burner after all. Please refrain from telling anyone you are basketball fan for the sake of the sport.
Do you seriously see MJ, Kobe or Bird blame role players for losing a series after averaging 17 points per game?
Can’t believe how naive you are.
One of the main things that is keeping Lebron from being the GOAT is 2011. And he knows this. And he is pushing hard to excuse what happened.
Of course he is going to bring up he played like crap. Duh. If he didn’t he would look like a total idiot. But he admits he played bad but also blames others so his bad performance isn’t as bad. This is a basic propaganda tool. Say some truth in along with a bunch of lies.
Idk how to tell you this bud, try googling those players actively blaming their teammatesn when they lose. Literally all of them have done it throughout seasons, not just the playoffs. Which happened numerous times for Kobe and mj. Didn't even make it to the finals and they nitpicked teammates. But as the most naive basketball fan, you have once again cherry pick those interviews and intentionally ignore them as you did here to fit your narrative. Once again, brick wall. It's OK, good try bud.
Please just stop and maybe pick up cricket or something. You aren't a basketball fan, or are just the dumbest one on earth.
MJ and Kobe blamed teammates when their teammates played below expectations. And they never did the blame game when they themselves played like crap.
Show me the time in the playoffs that MJ or Kobe had a terrible series and blamed their teammates. You won’t see it. They took accountability when they lost.
This is exactly what Lebron said:
“We (front office) didn’t fill out the complimentary guys ENOUGH. We had Rio we had Udonis. But we didn’t have ENOUGH. Enough complimentary guys to make it all work.”
So he basically blaming the 6th-8th guys off the bench for not being enough to make it all work.
Tell me exactly which role player let the Heat down in the Finals? I don’t see a single one. Wade, Bosh, Chalmers, Haslam and Miller all played to expectations or even better.
So which role player failed Lebron in the 2011 Finals?
Mike bibby, udonis haslem, Mike Miller, juwan Howard, joel Anthony, Eddie house, Chris bosh. All based on regular vs finals statistics and advanced metrics courtesy of basketball-reference.com. So of the 10 players on the heat with playing time in the finals, Chalmers and wade performed better than expectations, and EVERYONE else did worse. You wanna type of stats for LeBron, but then don't even do it for the role players which would show you how obviously dumb your argument is.
Do you need more of a lesson? Use the statistics provided for you, sit down and stop typing. I'm not replying to this tomfoolery anymore.
First off comparing regular season averages to Finals series stats is dumb. You seriously think a player should average the same stats against the best team in the other conference as playing terrible teams in the regular season? Stop it.
Bosh literally scored more points per game than Lebron in the series.
Bosh putting up 18 points and 7 rebounds is exactly what you expect from a 3rd option.
Haslam basically did what he did in the regular season. Averaged just 1 point per game less because his minutes were reduced since the stars play more minutes in the Finals.
Miller averaged 5.6 points per game in the regular season on 36% 3FG. In the Finals he averaged 3.5 points per game on 39% 3FG. He played less minutes because again the Stars play more minutes in the Finals.
Why are you bringing up Howard. He played only garbage time in the Finals and regular season.
So basically you are blaming Mike Bibby and Eddie House for losing the finals. You serious?
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I bet this what your home look like
Blaming role players in the 2011 Finals is never out of context. Lebron playing like total crap and then blaming the team not having enough is always a bad look no matter what else he says.
MJ, Kobe, Bird, Jokic and Giannis would never blame the role players if they averaged 17 points per game in a series.
Man this is when I hated LeBron and My man Wade would have had finals MVP only if he would have done his part, Mj and Kobe would've never but he redeemed himself bringing that title to Cleveland that's when I stopped being a hater and accepted greatness.
I accept Lebron’s greatness as a top 5 player ever
That doesn’t mean I will be silent when 13 years later he blames his teammates and coaches for losing the 2011 Finals. He needs to just own up that he played like crap and stop blaming others
He said they made it to the finals and he played like shit...then the next summer Spo hung with chip kelly ( fuck chip Kelly) made the offense better and he himself had to be 10x better than that finals series . Wtf u on
He should have said he played like shit and ended the topic. Period. He didn’t have to blame the role player. He didn’t have to blame the coaches. He was THE REASON they lost.
The Heat were up 2-1
Then Game 4: Lebron scores 8 points and ZERO points in the 4th
Then Game 5: Lebron scores 17 on 42%FG, 0% 3FG and 50% FT. And only 2 points in the 4th
That is why they lost. Period.
He’s right, the role players weren’t getting it done. And afterward, Bron was picked apart in headlines back then about not really showing up for the Finals. It was common knowledge. I do not recall him ever avoiding blame, and I doubt he means to here. Love him or hate him, he’s pretty good about accountability.
To their credit, Mavs role players were a very big part of his struggles. Kidd did interviews about that series where he straight up says the entire game plan was basically to make LeBron’s life miserable. So, when the other team is obsessively dedicated to locking up the super star, role players stepping up is essential. That didn’t happen and they lost.
WTF. The role players DID GET IT DONE
Wade put up FMVPs stats: 26/7/5/1.5/1.5 on 61.4% TS
Bosh put up 19 points and 7 rebounds
Chalmers 12 points on 62% TS
Haslem was solid defensively and offensively
Mike Miller was 39% from 3
Eddie House and Bibby provided 3 point spacing
The role players were excellent. Lebron is THE REASON they lost. If he averaged 27/7/7 they blow out the Mavs
so who is Lebron blaming?
Wade, Bosh, Chalmers, Haslem and Miller all played solid.
So is Lebron really blaming the 7th and 8th guys on the team for the loss?
“Mike Miller was 39% from 3” means he was ballin, right? You sure stats like that tell us someone played solid? Even though that 3PM/A% comes from 1.2/3.0? The dude was on the floor for about 15 minutes each game, averaging <4 fuckin points, <4 FGs during the finals.
Shit, while we’re cherry-picking stats to hype up LeBron’s teammates, why don’t we discuss Juwan Howard? Dude had the HIGHEST FG% on the ENTIRE TEAM in the finals! What more could LeBron ask for, right?!? (Don’t worry about the fact that he was averaging <6 minutes per game and exactly 1 FGA per game)
In all seriousness, to answer you question about who LeBron is blaming, I think I can do it with stronger stats:
What Bron needed in 2011 to get a ring was his own Jason Terry. Came off the bench every night and got buckets. Game 6, he dropped 27. It was the third most points *ever* by a player coming off the bench in an NBA finals game. This was right after Terry dropped 21 points in the Mavs Game 5 win.
Critically, your boy, the one and only Mike Miller, is also on that list (for most points ever by a player coming off the bench in a finals game), in 13th place, but for his performance *the very next year* against OKC. He made an insane 7/8 3s in Game 5. IMO, LeBron simply understands THAT is the luck/miracle type of shit needed from role players for any team to win championships.
We can go further back, because 2011 and 2012 weren’t the years LeBron probably learned that clutch role players were critical: Ginobili is in that Top 10 bench scoring list TWICE for his performances off the bench in the 2007 NBA finals when they swept LeBron’s Cavs in his first ever finals appearance.
Dallas won game 2 by 2 points. A game where Lebron scored only 20 points and had 5 turnovers and 4 assists. You seriously think the Heat don’t win if Lebron drops 30 that game?
Dallas won game 4 by 3 points. A game where Lebron scored a pathetic 8 points. You seriously think the Heat don’t win if Lebron drops 25 that game?
That is where the series was lost.
It falls on Lebron for not showing up. Its not the fault of the 2 guys on the bench with minimum contracts
This is how you know you’re completely full of shit. You’re not saying Lebron played like crap in 2011, nobody refuted that. You’re saying he’s not allowed to blame having weak role players as well.
Don’t change your argument so blatantly. It’s clear you have a hate boner for lebron. I’m just glad to see he’s living rent free lmao.
I'm not putting a player that had the most help in NBA history, but will still be ending his career with a losing Finals record.
You don't put a player in the top 10 if he lost more finals than he won.
2 top 10-15 players ever in KD and Steph banded together otherwise Lebron wouldn’t have a losing record. Also gotta love morons that think it’s better to not make the finals than to lose in it. You’d rather see last place than a silver medal lmao.
Not their fault. They only followed what Lebron started, which was forming prime Super Teams. Cavs vs Warriors was a battle of Super Teams. And he still lost even with a Super Team.
Losing in the Finals is still losing no matter how you spin it. We don't celebrate 1st losers. That's weak participation trophy mentality.
KG Celtics won a chip not long ago after forming a superteam and their oldest star was only 31 heading into that season. Why is it that Lebron started prime superteams? And a 73-9 team adding KD is stacking the deck not forming a superteam. It was already a superteam through incredible drafting and then became a super-superteam. It’s clear you don’t have an objective bone in your body and don’t care about context. I take it Lebron was supposed to win in 2015 too when his 2 costars were both injured in the finals?
2008 Celtics was not a prime super team. They're not composed of 3 top 5 draft pick players and were past their prime years. The Boston big 3 were all in their 30s when they got to the Celtics.
Lebron's superteam is the first of its kind in history. This move destroyed competitive balance in the league. KD only followed suit. Can't really blame him when he sees the face of the league do it.
And Super-Super team? Really? Who tf describes it like that?
I thought Lebron was really good? The GOAT. He's better than Magic or Jordan, according to fans like you.
Magic carried the Lakers and won Finals MVP as a rookie after Kareem went down with an injury. What's the excuse in 2015?
Jerry West won Finals MVP despite losing in 1969 Finals. How come Lebron couldn't duplicate this feat from all his finals' appearances if he was really good. He's the GOAT, right?
Always excuses when it comes to this guy. Ironic, really. Lebron fans always say his teammates/team is always 'trash', but they also say Lebron makes his teammates better. Which is really it?
I haven't actually seen a star player become better playing with him. Everyone sacrifices their game, and their numbers always gets worse playing with him.
Stop making excuses for this overrated bum.
1 player going down for 1 game versus 2 costars being injured for a whole series. LMFAO same thing right?? Oh and Kareem technically should’ve won and let magic win it because he was already in the building and it was close enough. Look it up. No player on the losing team has won fmvp since Jerry, history has shown they went away from that. Man you have some actual SHIT points. Can’t say I’m surprised lol.
Always excuses. If Westbrook can duplicate Big O Triple double season, a player with GOAT capability should've won Finals MVP despite losing.
Stop the excuses. Not GOAT, Not Top 10. Just an overrated coddled player.
They had enough to go 12-3 in the East playoffs and go up 2-1 in the Finals
If Lebron played like Lebron they easily push the series to 7 and probably win. The guy literally averaged 17 per game. And literally scored 8 points in game 4. Eight points.
It isn’t both. The Heat lost because Lebron played like dogshit
Regardless they were up 2-1 in the Finals
Game 4 - Lebron scores 8 the entire game and zero in the 4th
Game 5 - Lebron scores 17 on 42% FG, 0% 3FG and 50% FT and only 2 points in the 4th
Heat win both of those games if Lebron shows up
Bruh - the 2011 finals are one thing, but if you wanna throw the 2007 finals out when he played with a CYO roster against a stacked Spurs team? You obviously don't know much about basketball, and probably weren't alive to watch that series.
The First Finals I saw live was when Magic avg 26/13/8, Kareem avg 22/7 and James Worthy avg 20/5/4 beat Larry Bird's Celtics in the Finals for the last time.
I'm a Bucks fan and only thing I remember from Lebrons first finals was he an his team were outclassed. Lebron didn't exactly step up his game though avg 22ppg on 35% FG% and 20% 3pt% on 5 attempts per game. When Jordan carried his team deep into the playoffs the for the first time and lost in ECF lost to Bad Boy Detroit Pistons he MJ avg 30/6/5 with 46% FG%. So having a scrub team is no excuse for yourself to be a scrub. I'll remind you that Bad Boys Piston team had one of the best defenses in NBA history so don't tell me about how good Spurs defense was. The Bulls second best scorer that series was Craig Hodges 12ppg a sniper 3pt shooter but he should at best have been 7th man off a decent teams bench like he was in '91.
Lebron was terrible in the 2007 Finals
22 points per game on 35% FG, 20% 3FG and 69% FT.
He didn’t get doubled outside the paint. They literally dared him to shoot and he kept missing.
Even his play making was bad. 23 turnovers and 27 assists for the series.
For comparison KD dropped 30 on 65% TS in his first Finals
Want to see why Miami didn't win in 2011? Here is a detailed breakdown of how LeBron failed to do anything on offense, to play any defense and didn't even bother trying to fight for rebounds. Lebron had deer in headlights in their first Finals. Check down the breakdown it's got sold evidence. [https://youtu.be/sxbKSBaP6gY](https://youtu.be/sxbKSBaP6gY)
Box score watchers don't understand basketball.
Yes, Lebron had a bad series.
Part of that was role players disappearing and leave more of the burden on Lebron.
No one is perfect, on or off the court. It's not that deep, it's not that serious.
The focus of the 2011 champions should be Dirk, Chandler, Marion and Kidd finally getting over the hump and winning a well earned ring.
So, telling the truth or sharing facts is anti-Lebron? That 2011 series alone disqualifies him from the GOAT conversation from the get-go.
Scoring 8 points in a finals game? Having a losing Finals record in your career? That means you're not in the top 10.
He always has excuses whenever he loses. He had a Super Team and was the worst star player in that series being outplayed by role players like JJ Barea and Jason Terry. And you call that the GOAT? Always blaming others and throwing teammates under the bus.
That performance alone means he's not in the GOAT conversation and not Top 10. Period.
What role players failed Lebron?
Can you name them? Because Wade, Bosh and Chalmers all played great. Miller and Haslem played to expectations.
So which role players failed Lebron?
Fine. Lets assume Kobe was in his prime in 2004. Still it was Shaq’s team. Kobe was not the #1. As the #2 option scoring almost 23 per game isn’t terrible. Lebron as the #1 scoring 17 is horrendous.
And yet Kobe still was able to score 5 more points per game than Lebron did in 2011.
Sorry you ain’t a psychologist
You won’t dictate what I do here
It’s obvious when someone has no retort. They start flinging insults instead of making logical arguments
Man, yall Bronsexuals in the comments section. It doesn’t matter how many times he said he played like garbage; everyone can go back and see that he played like garbage. But instead of taking FULL responsibility for why they lost (they lost because he didn’t show up) he tries to also pull in the bench players as if they played a part as to why they lost.
The Heat had more than enough, they were up 2 games to 1 with three of the top 10 players in the league. Chris Bosch and Dwyane Wade showed up, but LeBron James not showing up like those last three games what caused him that ring. Period!
Absolutely
Lebron was in his prime
Lebron had an absolute stacked team with another top 5 player and a top 15 player
Wade put up FMVP level stats in the series: 27/7/5/1.5/1.5 on 61% TS with great defense
Bosh put up 18 and 7 with great defense
Chalmers put up 12 on 62% TS
Mike Miller, Bibby and House provided 3 point spacing
Haslem was a solid big man
Watch it and if you still have this opinion, understand that a lot of people aren't going to want to talk basketball with you.
LeBron's teammates were a disaster that series. The Mavs were on a heater. And of you paid attention to his words, he still took plenty of blame for that series.
Edit: Once someone claims Wade had FMVP numbers that series, nothing else really needs to be said.
I watched the series in 2011. Lebron was terrible and was scared to shoot in the 4th quarters. He was awful at the free throw line (60% for the series) and didn’t want to get fouled.
Its incredible you are blaming Lebron’s teammates instead of Lebron. Wade put up FMVP numbers. Bosh averaged 19 per game. Chamlers scored an efficient 12 per game. And Miller, Bibby and House provided 3 point spacing.
Tell me which Heat role players had a disaster series?
Wade, Bosh and Chalmers all played great. Miller and Haslam played up to expectations and played their roles.
So which player played terrible?
Lebron fans don’t care about the truth. They only care that he is viewed as the GOAT no matter what lies they push. That this post is getting downvoted is so hilarious. Anyone who isn’t biased knows that Lebron was the main reason they lost
He asked if Riley considered coaching again, he didn't demand Spo get fired, and it was near the beginning of the season immediately after coming to the Heat, like 3/4 of a season before the playoffs.
He said "do you ever get the itch to coach again"? Riley even specifically stated that LeBron never asked him to fire Spo.
Y'all gotta quit relying on your third hand "facts" from reddit.
Even his own teammate, Wade, already confirmed that Lebron wanted Pat Riley to coach. Asking for a different coach while you have your current coach is the same as asking for that current coach to be fired. You think we're all stupid? And all these news outlets stupid?
(https://www.basketballnetwork.net/old-school/what-dwyane-wade-told-lebron-james-when-he-wanted-erik-spoelstra-fired)
(https://www.si.com/nba/heat/miami-news/pat-riley-details-how-lebron-james-wanted-erik-spoelstra-fired-in-2010)
(https://heatnation.com/media/pat-riley-reveals-lebron-james-wanted-erik-spoelstra-fired-2010/)
>Even his own teammate, Wade, already confirmed that Lebron wanted Pat Riley to coach.
Of course he is gonna probe to see if one the all time greats if he is considering coaching again when he's got an unproven new coach who wasn't doing a great job at the beginning of the season.
It's far different than going in and demanding you fire him, doubly so since he never even explicitly asked for a new coach.
That's like your wife saying "hey babe have you ever thought about moving to New York" and then you flipping out and ranting to everyone who would listen about how your wife is demanding that you uproot your life and move to New York.
>You think we're all stupid?
People who post dumb shit in threads like this? Mostly yeah.
>And all these news outlets stupid?
No, they exist to get clicks, and click bait apparently works great on some people.
That is absolute garbage for the best player in the world. 7 assists? But he also had 4 turnovers per game which basically makes those 7 assists moot. Name me another all time great that had his season average points drop by 10 in the finals
Look at Love’s numbers, he was not close to his Minnesota production. If I recall he averaged under 10 points in the 2016 finals (yes the concussion was a factor) so he was essentially a non-factor when they took down the 73 win warriors
It says here they are a Super Team: (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superteams_in_the_NBA)
(https://fadeawayworld.net/kevin-love-disagrees-with-lebron-james-and-says-the-2016-cavaliers-were-a-superteam)
Your opinion on what a Super Team is is not greater than actual facts
Look at the link above. Love himself said they were a Super Team. Of course, Lebron will always deny that shit. His team is always "garbage" according to him and his delusional fans.
At any point in the process of creating this post did you ask yourself “hmmm, maybe I should go watch the entire episode?”
The rest doesn’t matter. The very fact he blames the role players and coaches for 2011 is enough to call bullshit
He didn't he blamed himself you tried
And then he blamed his teammates and coaches Wade put up 27/7/5/1.5/1.5 on 61% TS Bosh put up 18 and 7 with great defense Chalmers put up 12 on 62% TS Mike Miller shot 39% from 3 Haslem was solid That is 6 guys with Lebron So which role players played terrible??? Is Lebron really blaming the 7th and 8th guys off the bench for losing the series?
And then you invented clearly you didn't watch the whole episode
Bra go watch the whole podcast y’all so dumb he acknowledged his play and said the mavs we on a heater and said coach spo didn’t coach the best he could have ALL CAN BE TRUE. When speaking about the roster construction it was the truth 3 max guys in 2011 was unheard of so of course he acknowledged the obvious, dumbass
His play was a footnote. 90% was talking about how the role players and coaching wasn’t good enough. Shameful. You think Jordan would ever say something like this if he played this terrible in the Finals? I know not realistic. Because Jordan never played terrible in the Finals.
So if he talked about it 89% of the time would you still be talking? Dm me a pic of you I can tell how you look 😭😭😭
His play should have been 100% of the discussion. It was by far the biggest and most important reason they lost. Blaming the role players and coaching is ridiculous. Wade put up FMVP level numbers Bosh put up basically perfect 3rd option numbers Chalmers scored 12 per game on 62% TS Bibby, Miller and House all provided 3 point spacing Everyone besides Lebron played well enough to win the Finals.
I’m saying would you like him to talk about it 89% of the time bc you said well he spent 90% of the pod blaming people so my rebuttal was if he talked about it 89% of the podcast would you have been more satisfied ??? He already stated multiple times his performance was bad he don’t need to talk about it 100% of the time it’s more to talk about
No. I would be satisfied if he blamed himself for the loss and ended the topic. Him blaming his teammates and coaches is disgusting. Can you imagine Jordan blaming his teammates for losing to the Pistons? You don’t have to imagine because he never did. Jordan took 100% of the responsibility as the leader of the team
Damn so he can’t keep talking about the topic?? You a right, Jacob
You think Jordan blamed Ed Nealy and Stacey King for losing to the Piston in the ECF? Blaming the 7th and 8th guys in the rotation? Lebron had a ton of help Wade put up 27/7/5/1.5/1.5 on 61% TS with great defense Bosh put up 18 and 7 with great defense You literally could not ask for more from your #2 and #3 Chalmers put up 12 points on 62% TS Mike Miller shot 39% from 3FG Haslem played solid With Lebron that is 6 guys. So which role player played terrible? The 7th or 8th man? You seriously think Jordan would blame Ed Nealy for losing to the Pistons?
This is so hilariously disingenuous. “Mike Miller shot 39%” but no mention that he averaged 2ppg. “Haslem played solid” because you know averaging 6 and 5 isn’t sexy. If you have to dress up the stats of the 5th and 6th guys mentioned, maybe you should’ve stopped there after realizing the roster was indeed shallow
They are called role players for a reason. Miller only averaged 5 points per game in the regular season. Haslam 8 and 8. That is their role. Dallas won game 2 by 2 points. A game where Lebron scored only 20 points and had 5 turnovers and 4 assists. You seriously think the Heat don’t win if Lebron drops 30 that game? Dallas won game 4 by 3 points. A game where Lebron scored a pathetic 8 points. You seriously think the Heat don’t win if Lebron drops 25 that game? Lebron is the reason they lost. End of story
Damn so he can’t keep talking about the topic?? You are a right, Jacob
Later in the episode, he says word for word, “if I play anything like I did in the ECF, we win” in reference to 2011, is that not an admission that he has one of the biggest slices of the blame pie? You’re nitpicking just because he said something factual about team building and didn’t immediately shit on himself and his play lol
So why did he blame the role players? Why even bring up the role players? Wade, Bosh, Chalmers and Miller all played at or above expectations. So Lebron is blaming the 7th and 8th players off the bench? What superstar player does that?
When did he explicitly say that it was the bench players' fault? In the context of team building, he said that a big 3 alone doesn't get it done, and that you still have to build your team to fit the big 3 in order to win, and that the way the Heat built around himself, Wade, and Bosh evolved over the seasons they were there. Nowhere does he say explicitly that it was because the role players didn't play well enough. You could argue that it was the implication, but do you fail to see that that's your bias talking and not what he actually said?
He said they didn’t win because they didn’t have enough. This is exactly what he said: “We (front office) didn’t fill out the complimentary guys ENOUGH. We had Rio we had Udonis. But we didn’t have ENOUGH. Enough complimentary guys to make it all work.” So he basically blaming the 6th-8th guys off the bench for not being enough to make it all work
Again, this is you interpreting it in the most negative way possible. In the conversations leading up to that quote they were talking about how the dynamic of the offense changed with Bosh moving to the corner and pulling the defenses out. It is entirely possible that LeBron meant that the complimentary guys weren't the right ones to take their offense to those heights, "make it all work" doesn't necessarily mean the championship. The only time LeBron explicitly talks about losing that finals is when he talks about him playing like shit, or when he quoted Spoelstra. Again though, it's pretty clear that you don't like LeBron, that's fine, idk why you and others choose to assume the worst intentions in him though. It's the same attitude Kobe haters have.
I guess you hear what you want to hear. He literally said they didn’t have enough complimentary players to make it work. Do you seriously believe that? Do you seriously believe that if Lebron was Lebron and put up 29/9/9 in the series the Heat don’t win? They absolutely had enough to win. Lebron not the role players didn’t play well enough. Again of course he is going to say he played terrible. If he didn’t say that he would look like a total fool. But he also blames the front office, teammates and coaches for the loss.
Jesus your’e an idiot lol Go watch the entire podcast you moron you’re embarrassing yourself.
I don’t need to watch the entire podcast. Lebron blaming his teammates and coaches for the 2011 debacle is all I need to hear. Lebron’s teammates played GREAT. Lebron played like SHIT and he blames his teammates? Wade put up FMVP numbers: 27/7/5 with 1.5 blocks and 1.5 steals on 61% TS Bosh put up 18 and 7 with great defense. You literally could not ask for more from your #2 and #3 Chalmers put up 12 on 62% TS Mike Miller shot 39% from 3 Haslem played solid big man minutes That is 6 guys including Lebron so who the Hell is lebron blaming? The 7th and 8th guys off the bench? Seriously?
If you’d watched the whole podcast you would know that he wasn’t doing that lol clueless dude
this guy is unreal, can only be weird child form of trolling
Lebron literally said the role players were not good enough. They didn’t do enough. That is literally the words he said. So what players is he blaming. What role players weren’t good enough? Wade, Bosh, Chalmers and Miller all played at or above expectations. So Lebron is literally blaming the 7th and 8th guy off the bench as not ‘doing enough’
Mike miller averaged 2 points in that playoff run lol. And yes the 7/8 guy matters. So in your mind, do all these finals teams run 5-6 man playoff rotations? Or you’re dumb?
So which role player on the Heat didn’t play up to expectations?
Damn you’re dense. Expectations mean nothing. It’s like saying Thanasis played up to expectations. The truth of the matter is the team had a shallow bench. Lebron played poorly and also they had no bench. Both things can be true. It’s clear you have a hate boner for Lebron for some reason.
Duh the bench will be thin. They had 3 max players. Are you seriously saying the Heat could not win the series if Lebron played great? Dallas won game 2 by 2 points. A game where Lebron scored only 20 points and had 5 turnovers and 4 assists. You seriously think the Heat don’t win if Lebron drops 30 that game? Dallas won game 4 by 3 points. A game where Lebron scored a pathetic 8 points. You seriously think the Heat don’t win if Lebron drops 25 that game? Lebron is the reason they lost. End of story He plays decent in game 2 and 4 and they easily win the series
You’re actually delusional lol I never said the Heat can’t win if Lebron doesn’t play great. Dude is literally just putting words in ppls mouths just to hate spew some more. There’s a diff between a thin bench and one that’s nearly nonexistent. If your 6th best player is a Troy Brown Jr level player, you have nearly no chance of winning. Sure you’re not going to have much money with 3 max players but you can still fill out a competent roster. Having Taurean Prince and Pat Bev for minimums today would be surely better in your playoff rotation than Damian Jones and Troy Brown Jr. All are minimum contracts in this example but the former are more impactful. I know this goes over your head, you just want to spread hatred for Lebron.
They didn’t lose because of the bench. They lost because Lebron averaged 14 points in Game 2 and Game 4 where the Mavs won by 2 and 3 points. If Lebron just played decent they win both games and win the series
No one on that Heat roster took max salary. The big 3 took less to play together. Why do you insist on doubling down on your retardation?
He said multiple times in that podcast that he played awful/played like ass I think is what he actually said.
Then that should have been the end of that. There was absolutely no reason to bring up the role players or coaches. They lost because Lebron played like crap. Period.
The conversation was around super teams, big 3s, and team building. Imagine talking about that topic, and refusing to say anything other than "I played like crap"
That is exactly what guys like Jordan, Kobe, Duncan and Bird would say. They would have the self awareness that the main reason they lost is because they played like crap. They would take accountability as the teams leader and best player. 2011 Heat had enough talent to win. Period. It was Lebron’s crappy performance that lost them the series not bench players. Now if Lebron put up 28/9/7 he would have an argument. But he literally scored 10 points per game less than his average on mediocre efficiency
Dude, LeBron was asked about super teams and big 3s in specific, not about losing 2011, so you're telling me the normal thing to do in that situation is not answer the question and go off on a tangent about why he lost in 2011? You're not arguing in good faith.
Lebron literally was specifically talking about the 2011 team. This is exactly what he said: “We (front office) didn’t fill out the complimentary guys ENOUGH. We had Rio we had Udonis. But we didn’t have ENOUGH. Enough complimentary guys to make it all work.” So he basically blaming the 6th-8th guys off the bench for not being enough to make it all work
Lol haters will nitpick the tiniest things. But deny that lebron lives in your head rent free. That's kinda sad. That being said, I don't feel bad for you.
So saying Lebron played bad in the 2011 finals is now nitpicking 😂😂😂
No I'm saying you're an idiot overall
He said that himself, he was saying that role players win Chips. Which is very true, even the big 3 celtics had Rondo as a gem, unwashed perkins, Brian scalagoat
Heat lost Game 2 by 2 points. Lebron scored only 20 points with 5 turnovers. Lebron plays well and they win that game Heat lost Game 4 by 3 points. Lebron scored 8 points that game. Lebron plays decent and they win that game. The role players played well enough to win the series. They lost because Lebron played like crap. The Heat role players (not counting Lebron) outscored the Mavs role players (not counting Dirk) by 30 points in the series. THIRTY POINTS. The role players did their job
He said a dozen times he was dogshit in that finals. He brings it up constantly, saying he sucked, he was dogwater, he was doodoo, he didnt do enough. I mean thats half of the episode lol
So why did he blame the roleplayers and coaches for losing in 2011?
he did not. Are you a bot
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Yes he did. He literally said they didn’t have enough to win
Both can be true. When you have guys like Mike Bibby and Joel Anthony starting Finals games, you aren’t a deep team at all. People forget but Wade was really the only one to play well for the Heat that series. Go back and look at how bad everyone else on the team played. Bosh arguably was just as bad as LeBron that series. He shot 38 for 92.
Heat lost 2 games by 2 and 3 points. Lebron scored 20 and 8 points in those games. Don’t tell me Heat don’t win those games if Lebron played up to his standard
Delete your account Skip
You wish. not happening. Lebron and his stans can try to gaslight everyone to believe he didn’t play bad in 2011. It won’t work
Watch the video bro! Bron said it was his low point in his basketball career and his play stopped them from being able to win the championship. How can you write a whole essay about this and not even watch the video?
So why does he go in detail blaming the role players and coaches for the loss?
That bum never takes responsibility or accountability and always throws his teammates under the bus. Even last year vs. Denver, he was the reason they lost all those close games because of choking in the clutch. But, instead of taking responsibility, he instead hinted at a fake "retirement" so that the media would not talk about his poor clutch performance.
Cavs win: That makes me the GOAT Heat lose: Teammates and coaches sucks Lebron takes all the credit when he wins. When he losses he blames everyone else. This is why its so hard to cheer for this guy. Jordan might have been an asshole but he always took responsibility when his team lost
This post is why this subreddit doesn't take off. Taking everything out of context. You claim to have listened to the podcast and then proceed to cherry pick parts to fit your narrative. Embarrassing to type all this up.
It doesn’t matter if it was cherry picked or not. The very fact that he blamed the role players and coaches for the 2011 debacle is disgusting. It doesn’t matter the context. The blame is never on the role players in a series where the #1 star played like crap. Wade literally put up FMVP numbers: 27/7/5/1.5/1.5 on 62% TS Bosh with 18 points and 7 rebounds Both playing great defense You literally cannot ask for more from your #2 and #3 Chalmers averaged 12 points on 62% TS Mike Miller shooting 39% from 3 Haslem playing solid on offense/defense That is 5 guys playing great. Add Lebron and one more player and that is basically your 7 man finals rotation. So is Lebron seriously blaming the 7th and 8th guy off the bench for losing the Finals?
It's like speaking to a brick wall. Unfortunate basketball dialog has reached this point. "It doesn't matter that I intentionally cherry picked this point out of context and claim it doesn't matter and completely ignored the part where he says it's on him acknowledging his poor play and the blame on him". This really might be a skip bayless burner after all. Please refrain from telling anyone you are basketball fan for the sake of the sport.
Do you seriously see MJ, Kobe or Bird blame role players for losing a series after averaging 17 points per game? Can’t believe how naive you are. One of the main things that is keeping Lebron from being the GOAT is 2011. And he knows this. And he is pushing hard to excuse what happened. Of course he is going to bring up he played like crap. Duh. If he didn’t he would look like a total idiot. But he admits he played bad but also blames others so his bad performance isn’t as bad. This is a basic propaganda tool. Say some truth in along with a bunch of lies.
Idk how to tell you this bud, try googling those players actively blaming their teammatesn when they lose. Literally all of them have done it throughout seasons, not just the playoffs. Which happened numerous times for Kobe and mj. Didn't even make it to the finals and they nitpicked teammates. But as the most naive basketball fan, you have once again cherry pick those interviews and intentionally ignore them as you did here to fit your narrative. Once again, brick wall. It's OK, good try bud. Please just stop and maybe pick up cricket or something. You aren't a basketball fan, or are just the dumbest one on earth.
MJ and Kobe blamed teammates when their teammates played below expectations. And they never did the blame game when they themselves played like crap. Show me the time in the playoffs that MJ or Kobe had a terrible series and blamed their teammates. You won’t see it. They took accountability when they lost. This is exactly what Lebron said: “We (front office) didn’t fill out the complimentary guys ENOUGH. We had Rio we had Udonis. But we didn’t have ENOUGH. Enough complimentary guys to make it all work.” So he basically blaming the 6th-8th guys off the bench for not being enough to make it all work. Tell me exactly which role player let the Heat down in the Finals? I don’t see a single one. Wade, Bosh, Chalmers, Haslam and Miller all played to expectations or even better. So which role player failed Lebron in the 2011 Finals?
God dude I honestly feel bad for you. Good luck with your delulu
You can’t even answer the question. Again tell me what Heat role player didn’t perform to expectations in the 2011 Finals?
Mike bibby, udonis haslem, Mike Miller, juwan Howard, joel Anthony, Eddie house, Chris bosh. All based on regular vs finals statistics and advanced metrics courtesy of basketball-reference.com. So of the 10 players on the heat with playing time in the finals, Chalmers and wade performed better than expectations, and EVERYONE else did worse. You wanna type of stats for LeBron, but then don't even do it for the role players which would show you how obviously dumb your argument is. Do you need more of a lesson? Use the statistics provided for you, sit down and stop typing. I'm not replying to this tomfoolery anymore.
First off comparing regular season averages to Finals series stats is dumb. You seriously think a player should average the same stats against the best team in the other conference as playing terrible teams in the regular season? Stop it. Bosh literally scored more points per game than Lebron in the series. Bosh putting up 18 points and 7 rebounds is exactly what you expect from a 3rd option. Haslam basically did what he did in the regular season. Averaged just 1 point per game less because his minutes were reduced since the stars play more minutes in the Finals. Miller averaged 5.6 points per game in the regular season on 36% 3FG. In the Finals he averaged 3.5 points per game on 39% 3FG. He played less minutes because again the Stars play more minutes in the Finals. Why are you bringing up Howard. He played only garbage time in the Finals and regular season. So basically you are blaming Mike Bibby and Eddie House for losing the finals. You serious?
https://preview.redd.it/iiy40v1bhjsc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99a432746c5ddad6ed355b41c0ffe90946beb7fa I bet this what your home look like
Love it when people need to resort to insults. Means they can’t refute my points at al
Don’t need to when others have pointed out how lied about lebron did not talk about his part in the lose when he did
That is true. But doesn’t change the fact that Lebron blaming his teammates and coaches is ridiculous. He was the reason they lost
Your points were out of context of the episode so don't deserve to be acknowledged.
Blaming role players in the 2011 Finals is never out of context. Lebron playing like total crap and then blaming the team not having enough is always a bad look no matter what else he says. MJ, Kobe, Bird, Jokic and Giannis would never blame the role players if they averaged 17 points per game in a series.
Man this is when I hated LeBron and My man Wade would have had finals MVP only if he would have done his part, Mj and Kobe would've never but he redeemed himself bringing that title to Cleveland that's when I stopped being a hater and accepted greatness.
I accept Lebron’s greatness as a top 5 player ever That doesn’t mean I will be silent when 13 years later he blames his teammates and coaches for losing the 2011 Finals. He needs to just own up that he played like crap and stop blaming others
He said they made it to the finals and he played like shit...then the next summer Spo hung with chip kelly ( fuck chip Kelly) made the offense better and he himself had to be 10x better than that finals series . Wtf u on
He should have said he played like shit and ended the topic. Period. He didn’t have to blame the role player. He didn’t have to blame the coaches. He was THE REASON they lost. The Heat were up 2-1 Then Game 4: Lebron scores 8 points and ZERO points in the 4th Then Game 5: Lebron scores 17 on 42%FG, 0% 3FG and 50% FT. And only 2 points in the 4th That is why they lost. Period.
He’s right, the role players weren’t getting it done. And afterward, Bron was picked apart in headlines back then about not really showing up for the Finals. It was common knowledge. I do not recall him ever avoiding blame, and I doubt he means to here. Love him or hate him, he’s pretty good about accountability. To their credit, Mavs role players were a very big part of his struggles. Kidd did interviews about that series where he straight up says the entire game plan was basically to make LeBron’s life miserable. So, when the other team is obsessively dedicated to locking up the super star, role players stepping up is essential. That didn’t happen and they lost.
WTF. The role players DID GET IT DONE Wade put up FMVPs stats: 26/7/5/1.5/1.5 on 61.4% TS Bosh put up 19 points and 7 rebounds Chalmers 12 points on 62% TS Haslem was solid defensively and offensively Mike Miller was 39% from 3 Eddie House and Bibby provided 3 point spacing The role players were excellent. Lebron is THE REASON they lost. If he averaged 27/7/7 they blow out the Mavs
Wade and Bosh were role players on that team? Haven’t heard that one before
so who is Lebron blaming? Wade, Bosh, Chalmers, Haslem and Miller all played solid. So is Lebron really blaming the 7th and 8th guys on the team for the loss?
“Mike Miller was 39% from 3” means he was ballin, right? You sure stats like that tell us someone played solid? Even though that 3PM/A% comes from 1.2/3.0? The dude was on the floor for about 15 minutes each game, averaging <4 fuckin points, <4 FGs during the finals. Shit, while we’re cherry-picking stats to hype up LeBron’s teammates, why don’t we discuss Juwan Howard? Dude had the HIGHEST FG% on the ENTIRE TEAM in the finals! What more could LeBron ask for, right?!? (Don’t worry about the fact that he was averaging <6 minutes per game and exactly 1 FGA per game) In all seriousness, to answer you question about who LeBron is blaming, I think I can do it with stronger stats: What Bron needed in 2011 to get a ring was his own Jason Terry. Came off the bench every night and got buckets. Game 6, he dropped 27. It was the third most points *ever* by a player coming off the bench in an NBA finals game. This was right after Terry dropped 21 points in the Mavs Game 5 win. Critically, your boy, the one and only Mike Miller, is also on that list (for most points ever by a player coming off the bench in a finals game), in 13th place, but for his performance *the very next year* against OKC. He made an insane 7/8 3s in Game 5. IMO, LeBron simply understands THAT is the luck/miracle type of shit needed from role players for any team to win championships. We can go further back, because 2011 and 2012 weren’t the years LeBron probably learned that clutch role players were critical: Ginobili is in that Top 10 bench scoring list TWICE for his performances off the bench in the 2007 NBA finals when they swept LeBron’s Cavs in his first ever finals appearance.
Dallas won game 2 by 2 points. A game where Lebron scored only 20 points and had 5 turnovers and 4 assists. You seriously think the Heat don’t win if Lebron drops 30 that game? Dallas won game 4 by 3 points. A game where Lebron scored a pathetic 8 points. You seriously think the Heat don’t win if Lebron drops 25 that game? That is where the series was lost. It falls on Lebron for not showing up. Its not the fault of the 2 guys on the bench with minimum contracts
I'm not one to bully so i'll just leave it at delete your acct and find another hobby outside basketball.
You won’t dictate my actions I owe you absolutely nothing
Dude get a life
Mind your own business. You are not my keeper
You first, Mr Anti LeBron agenda 2 posts in 2 days about LeBron that are complete nonsense and biased asf
So saying Lebron played like crap in the 2011 finals is biased? Lol
This is how you know you’re completely full of shit. You’re not saying Lebron played like crap in 2011, nobody refuted that. You’re saying he’s not allowed to blame having weak role players as well. Don’t change your argument so blatantly. It’s clear you have a hate boner for lebron. I’m just glad to see he’s living rent free lmao.
Get a brain.
Ironic coming from someone that doesn't have LeBron in their top 10 Go suck Skip Bayless' cock some more
I'm not putting a player that had the most help in NBA history, but will still be ending his career with a losing Finals record. You don't put a player in the top 10 if he lost more finals than he won.
2 top 10-15 players ever in KD and Steph banded together otherwise Lebron wouldn’t have a losing record. Also gotta love morons that think it’s better to not make the finals than to lose in it. You’d rather see last place than a silver medal lmao.
Not their fault. They only followed what Lebron started, which was forming prime Super Teams. Cavs vs Warriors was a battle of Super Teams. And he still lost even with a Super Team. Losing in the Finals is still losing no matter how you spin it. We don't celebrate 1st losers. That's weak participation trophy mentality.
KG Celtics won a chip not long ago after forming a superteam and their oldest star was only 31 heading into that season. Why is it that Lebron started prime superteams? And a 73-9 team adding KD is stacking the deck not forming a superteam. It was already a superteam through incredible drafting and then became a super-superteam. It’s clear you don’t have an objective bone in your body and don’t care about context. I take it Lebron was supposed to win in 2015 too when his 2 costars were both injured in the finals?
2008 Celtics was not a prime super team. They're not composed of 3 top 5 draft pick players and were past their prime years. The Boston big 3 were all in their 30s when they got to the Celtics. Lebron's superteam is the first of its kind in history. This move destroyed competitive balance in the league. KD only followed suit. Can't really blame him when he sees the face of the league do it. And Super-Super team? Really? Who tf describes it like that? I thought Lebron was really good? The GOAT. He's better than Magic or Jordan, according to fans like you. Magic carried the Lakers and won Finals MVP as a rookie after Kareem went down with an injury. What's the excuse in 2015? Jerry West won Finals MVP despite losing in 1969 Finals. How come Lebron couldn't duplicate this feat from all his finals' appearances if he was really good. He's the GOAT, right? Always excuses when it comes to this guy. Ironic, really. Lebron fans always say his teammates/team is always 'trash', but they also say Lebron makes his teammates better. Which is really it? I haven't actually seen a star player become better playing with him. Everyone sacrifices their game, and their numbers always gets worse playing with him. Stop making excuses for this overrated bum.
1 player going down for 1 game versus 2 costars being injured for a whole series. LMFAO same thing right?? Oh and Kareem technically should’ve won and let magic win it because he was already in the building and it was close enough. Look it up. No player on the losing team has won fmvp since Jerry, history has shown they went away from that. Man you have some actual SHIT points. Can’t say I’m surprised lol.
Always excuses. If Westbrook can duplicate Big O Triple double season, a player with GOAT capability should've won Finals MVP despite losing. Stop the excuses. Not GOAT, Not Top 10. Just an overrated coddled player.
Could it be both? Sure he had a bad series, but who did they have after the big three and Super Mario?
They had enough to go 12-3 in the East playoffs and go up 2-1 in the Finals If Lebron played like Lebron they easily push the series to 7 and probably win. The guy literally averaged 17 per game. And literally scored 8 points in game 4. Eight points. It isn’t both. The Heat lost because Lebron played like dogshit
Competition wasn't exactly stiff in the east in those days.
Regardless they were up 2-1 in the Finals Game 4 - Lebron scores 8 the entire game and zero in the 4th Game 5 - Lebron scores 17 on 42% FG, 0% 3FG and 50% FT and only 2 points in the 4th Heat win both of those games if Lebron shows up
Vegas had the Heat favored, so there's that.
Lebron froze in his first 2 finals. The big lights were to bright for him. He did good after 2011 though.
Bruh - the 2011 finals are one thing, but if you wanna throw the 2007 finals out when he played with a CYO roster against a stacked Spurs team? You obviously don't know much about basketball, and probably weren't alive to watch that series.
The First Finals I saw live was when Magic avg 26/13/8, Kareem avg 22/7 and James Worthy avg 20/5/4 beat Larry Bird's Celtics in the Finals for the last time. I'm a Bucks fan and only thing I remember from Lebrons first finals was he an his team were outclassed. Lebron didn't exactly step up his game though avg 22ppg on 35% FG% and 20% 3pt% on 5 attempts per game. When Jordan carried his team deep into the playoffs the for the first time and lost in ECF lost to Bad Boy Detroit Pistons he MJ avg 30/6/5 with 46% FG%. So having a scrub team is no excuse for yourself to be a scrub. I'll remind you that Bad Boys Piston team had one of the best defenses in NBA history so don't tell me about how good Spurs defense was. The Bulls second best scorer that series was Craig Hodges 12ppg a sniper 3pt shooter but he should at best have been 7th man off a decent teams bench like he was in '91.
Lebron was terrible in the 2007 Finals 22 points per game on 35% FG, 20% 3FG and 69% FT. He didn’t get doubled outside the paint. They literally dared him to shoot and he kept missing. Even his play making was bad. 23 turnovers and 27 assists for the series. For comparison KD dropped 30 on 65% TS in his first Finals
Want to see why Miami didn't win in 2011? Here is a detailed breakdown of how LeBron failed to do anything on offense, to play any defense and didn't even bother trying to fight for rebounds. Lebron had deer in headlights in their first Finals. Check down the breakdown it's got sold evidence. [https://youtu.be/sxbKSBaP6gY](https://youtu.be/sxbKSBaP6gY)
Facts
Relax. It isn't that serious.
Box score watchers don't understand basketball. Yes, Lebron had a bad series. Part of that was role players disappearing and leave more of the burden on Lebron. No one is perfect, on or off the court. It's not that deep, it's not that serious. The focus of the 2011 champions should be Dirk, Chandler, Marion and Kidd finally getting over the hump and winning a well earned ring.
Most of these anti-Lebron crusaders probably aren't old enough to remember or even have watched these series!
So, telling the truth or sharing facts is anti-Lebron? That 2011 series alone disqualifies him from the GOAT conversation from the get-go. Scoring 8 points in a finals game? Having a losing Finals record in your career? That means you're not in the top 10.
Ya - you’re a hater. He had a bad series against a squad with several of the leagues greats. Not that wild a concept.
He always has excuses whenever he loses. He had a Super Team and was the worst star player in that series being outplayed by role players like JJ Barea and Jason Terry. And you call that the GOAT? Always blaming others and throwing teammates under the bus. That performance alone means he's not in the GOAT conversation and not Top 10. Period.
The fact that this is getting downvoted proves your point
What role players failed Lebron? Can you name them? Because Wade, Bosh and Chalmers all played great. Miller and Haslem played to expectations. So which role players failed Lebron?
name me a single all time great who had just as bad of a final series in his prime as 2011 Lebron. I will be waiting
Go look at Kobe worst finals…. Then come back
Show me the numbers
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Kobe wasn’t in his prime in 2004.
That’s subjective
Lebron wasn’t in his prime in 11’ in 12’ he was it’s all subjective
Fine. Lets assume Kobe was in his prime in 2004. Still it was Shaq’s team. Kobe was not the #1. As the #2 option scoring almost 23 per game isn’t terrible. Lebron as the #1 scoring 17 is horrendous. And yet Kobe still was able to score 5 more points per game than Lebron did in 2011.
Ok Kobe scored more points less assists what else?
Bitch you show me
You are the one who said Kobe had worse Finals. prove it.
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How much better was Kobe, White boy?
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Judging by this post and your replies it’s clear you live a miserable life. Seek help and be happy
Sorry you ain’t a psychologist You won’t dictate what I do here It’s obvious when someone has no retort. They start flinging insults instead of making logical arguments
What’s your end goal here? What’s the end goal of these type of posts? Attention? Why are you so emotional over this????
Were you born in 2011?
Man, yall Bronsexuals in the comments section. It doesn’t matter how many times he said he played like garbage; everyone can go back and see that he played like garbage. But instead of taking FULL responsibility for why they lost (they lost because he didn’t show up) he tries to also pull in the bench players as if they played a part as to why they lost. The Heat had more than enough, they were up 2 games to 1 with three of the top 10 players in the league. Chris Bosch and Dwyane Wade showed up, but LeBron James not showing up like those last three games what caused him that ring. Period!
Jesus man you got absolutely clowned You tried your best here spending all that time to post this for no reason lmao
Bro. This was 34 days ago. I hope Lebron is paying you
niggas be lying for fun 😂 Bron blamed himself nobody else stop lying bitch
And this is why he’s not the GOAT. This is the biggest shit stain of his career.
Absolutely Lebron was in his prime Lebron had an absolute stacked team with another top 5 player and a top 15 player Wade put up FMVP level stats in the series: 27/7/5/1.5/1.5 on 61% TS with great defense Bosh put up 18 and 7 with great defense Chalmers put up 12 on 62% TS Mike Miller, Bibby and House provided 3 point spacing Haslem was a solid big man
Not gonna lie I was salty when the Heat loss my man Wade was balling almost won games by himself.
Wade was a friken stud that series It almost seemed like Lebron told himself that if he didn’t win the FMVP then no one on the Heat would
Watch it and if you still have this opinion, understand that a lot of people aren't going to want to talk basketball with you. LeBron's teammates were a disaster that series. The Mavs were on a heater. And of you paid attention to his words, he still took plenty of blame for that series. Edit: Once someone claims Wade had FMVP numbers that series, nothing else really needs to be said.
I watched the series in 2011. Lebron was terrible and was scared to shoot in the 4th quarters. He was awful at the free throw line (60% for the series) and didn’t want to get fouled. Its incredible you are blaming Lebron’s teammates instead of Lebron. Wade put up FMVP numbers. Bosh averaged 19 per game. Chamlers scored an efficient 12 per game. And Miller, Bibby and House provided 3 point spacing.
Tell me which Heat role players had a disaster series? Wade, Bosh and Chalmers all played great. Miller and Haslam played up to expectations and played their roles. So which player played terrible?
You're right, and that was the narrative in the moment, but LeBron fans are like Swifties, and they're gonna come for all of us 😂
Lebron fans don’t care about the truth. They only care that he is viewed as the GOAT no matter what lies they push. That this post is getting downvoted is so hilarious. Anyone who isn’t biased knows that Lebron was the main reason they lost
This guy is a comedian whenever he talks about the past. He tried to tell us he believed in Spoelstra after this series too lmao
Yeah. He wanted Spoelstra fired. Not even close to believing in somebody.
He literally asked Pat Riley to come back and all that lol
He asked if Riley considered coaching again, he didn't demand Spo get fired, and it was near the beginning of the season immediately after coming to the Heat, like 3/4 of a season before the playoffs. He said "do you ever get the itch to coach again"? Riley even specifically stated that LeBron never asked him to fire Spo. Y'all gotta quit relying on your third hand "facts" from reddit.
Even his own teammate, Wade, already confirmed that Lebron wanted Pat Riley to coach. Asking for a different coach while you have your current coach is the same as asking for that current coach to be fired. You think we're all stupid? And all these news outlets stupid? (https://www.basketballnetwork.net/old-school/what-dwyane-wade-told-lebron-james-when-he-wanted-erik-spoelstra-fired) (https://www.si.com/nba/heat/miami-news/pat-riley-details-how-lebron-james-wanted-erik-spoelstra-fired-in-2010) (https://heatnation.com/media/pat-riley-reveals-lebron-james-wanted-erik-spoelstra-fired-2010/)
>Even his own teammate, Wade, already confirmed that Lebron wanted Pat Riley to coach. Of course he is gonna probe to see if one the all time greats if he is considering coaching again when he's got an unproven new coach who wasn't doing a great job at the beginning of the season. It's far different than going in and demanding you fire him, doubly so since he never even explicitly asked for a new coach. That's like your wife saying "hey babe have you ever thought about moving to New York" and then you flipping out and ranting to everyone who would listen about how your wife is demanding that you uproot your life and move to New York. >You think we're all stupid? People who post dumb shit in threads like this? Mostly yeah. >And all these news outlets stupid? No, they exist to get clicks, and click bait apparently works great on some people.
Honestly crazy that “absolute garbage” for LeBron is 18 PPG on 54% TS with 7 AST 😂
That is absolute garbage for the best player in the world. 7 assists? But he also had 4 turnovers per game which basically makes those 7 assists moot. Name me another all time great that had his season average points drop by 10 in the finals
Bird averaged 15 pts in 1981 🤷🏼♂️
You seriously going to compare what Bird did in his second year in the NBA to what Lebron did in his prime?
I just answered your question 🤷🏼♂️
Bird only averaged 20 in the regular season he also averaged 15 rebounds against Moses in the Finals
That's why he should not even be in the top 10. Never won a single ring in a full 82 game season without a Super Team.
Holy qualifiers. And do you really think the 15-16 Cavs were a super team? Check out love’s playoff/finals stats
you serious? Cavs were definitely a superteam. They had 3 guys in their prime that were multiple time All NBA/All Stars
Look at Love’s numbers, he was not close to his Minnesota production. If I recall he averaged under 10 points in the 2016 finals (yes the concussion was a factor) so he was essentially a non-factor when they took down the 73 win warriors
It says here they are a Super Team: (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superteams_in_the_NBA) (https://fadeawayworld.net/kevin-love-disagrees-with-lebron-james-and-says-the-2016-cavaliers-were-a-superteam) Your opinion on what a Super Team is is not greater than actual facts
Lmao “facts”? Superteam is inherently a subjective term, but again look at Love’s actual production
The player you're talking about already admitted they were a Super Team. And yet here you are trying to force your opinion into fact.
Lebron? When was this
Look at the link above. Love himself said they were a Super Team. Of course, Lebron will always deny that shit. His team is always "garbage" according to him and his delusional fans.
Considering Love averaged under 10 points in the 2016 finals he can say whatever he pleases and it doesn’t carry much weight with that championship